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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	StarVVreck@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:41:55 EDT

In a message dated 9/10/2002 9:36:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:

> "Better idea: buy (or lease) land with something Roman *already on it*"

How about Pompeii? :-P

- Iulius Titinius Antonius

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ROMANI LUDI CIRCENSES: subscritions closed
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:19:08 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

The ROMANII LUDI CIRCENSES are completed!!!
We have 26 players in the Circus for the next virtual chariot races, enough
to organize an exciting tournement!

---------------
I remember you taht we there are 6 places free too, you can send your
subscrition since tomorrow 11 September. We'll accept it! Please, read the
regulations at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/chariotraces.htm
---------------

The table of the tournement is at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/tour.htm
Read your Start Line!!!

So, the Russata starts this Ludi with a strong team with the 50% of chariots
running in the Circus.
The Praesina (Greens) seems sated of victories and things that the champion
Essedum and the famous Inexpugnabilis, Delecta Mea, Fulmen Viridis, etc.
could be enough to take the Ludi.
Veneta seems dead!!! Two new Britannici drivers are trying to get up the
team, but ....
The Gens Octavia follows the steps of our Consul, absent in this Ludi, in
the team Albata. We hope they don't show the "white flag".

The Provincia Hispania gives to the Ludi a lot of chariots and the only
running woman is the brave Illustra Julilla Sempronia Magna. The chariot
Delecta Mea will run against me ...

Well, the Quarters of our ROMANII LUDI CIRCENSES will be at 13 September,
when Illustrus Senior Curule Aedile will announce the opening of teh races.

The time schedule of the races are the following:

**** 13 September ****
7:00 PM - Opening and start of the Quarters by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
9:00 PM - Announcement of the Quarters' winners and histories by Gnaeus
Salix Galaicus

**** 15 September ****
7:00 PM - Start of Semifinals
9:00 PM - Announcement of the Semifinals' Winners and histories by G. Salix
Galaicus

**** 17 September ****
7:00 PM - Start of the Big Final
9:00 PM - Announcement of the Ludi Winner by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
9:00 PM - History of the Final by G. Salix Galaicus

If you want to partecipe in the Ludi Circenses, please, read the regulations
and send an e-mail to piteas@jazzfiesta.com

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:01:12 -0500

Ave Marcus Minucius Audens:

It would be only fitting that our begininngs be humble, austere, and virtuous.
After all, a few mud huts along the Tiber grew to dominate the known world. Why shouldn't we begin in a mobile home? Complete with a few pink flamingos and a ceramic burro pulling a cart out front.

In all seriousness, lets keep this idea alive, I think we're onto something.

Vale
G.B. Agricola

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----- Original Message -----
From: MarcusAudens@webtv.net
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject

Master Agricola;

Your "piggy-backing" of ideas is really great!!! Trailer indeed!!!
There are several used trailers in our vicinity for sale which have been
utilized as construction offices. They are sold without furniture, but
the heating, sanitation and cooling facilities are intact.

With something similar on a piece of land, two to three acres in size,
we would have the beginning of a place for events, meetings, and the
storage of plans, diagrams and designs. Even better would be a smaller
trailer which could be taken to the land whenever a meeting or event was
being planned and take the uit home after the meetinhg / event, in order
to get around the problem of vandals. I have the room here to store
such a "traveling office" and in fact, enough room (about 2 acres
cleared- 3 in woodland) to put on an event at least the size of the
"Roman Market Days" event in Welles. We are a little off the Main Drag
here though, and minimal parking. Visitors would have to be bussed in,
I suppose.

However, I am pleased and impressed with the practical ideas.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:51:55 -0400 (EDT)

Master Agricola;

In actuality this is what I have been looking at, except that I had not
considered a trailer. This last weekend in Wells. Maine gave me a view
of how much land area was necessary to put on a successful Roman Event.
Two to three acres would certainly do it.

There will certainly be more than one place of this kind. Here in the
U.S. as in Europe a suitable place for periofic gathering and events
will be required. I suspect that ultimately each provincia will have to
deal with these problems, in order to execute face-to-face meetings and
events in thier area. Perhaps this is where each Provincial Praetor /
ProConsul will have to place some of his / her Provincial personnel,
efforts and finances.

Considering that a concrete block wall 8 ft high, and 25 feet long may
well be more expensive that we can afford at a National level, counting
labor at the present, the only thing that we have to offer at this time
is our "Event Expertise" to a wide enough market to be profitable with
an eye to more permanent structures.

I'm sure that this observation will be bombarded by those who are
looking into the wider and more fanciful picture, but a brief visit to a
hardware store, lumber yard and a short talk with any skilld artisan
will indicate my meaning. Yes we "can" build our own, but will we -- I
doubt it any time soon, without firm commitments, plans and practical
ideas, not to mention sufficient funding.

By all means, we should keep this vision firmly in our view.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] 3rd msg - original Nova Roma list
From:	"S P Robinson" <piparskegg@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:46:49 -0000

Salus et Fortuna Omnes,

1st was a test message from L. Equitius, 2nd was a response to that
from F. Vedius., 3rd was little old me with my initial introduction...

Thought it might be an interesting peek at the start of one man
Citizenship.

Looking back on this, I suppose my Roman name should be Stephanus
Ullerius Venator Piparbarbus, but hey, P. Ullerius Venator works...

Not a sterling piece of prose, but I'm still a Heathen and still here.

In Amicus sub Fidelis - Venii

========================================================

Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998
Subject: Scriptori te salutant

Salus et Fortuna, Salve Omnes!

I am Stephanus Ullerius Venator, a Citizen of Nova Roma for some
three days now. I'm new at this sort of communication, so bear
with me for a few paragraphs.

I am a professed Norditruar (Asatruar or Odinist to some).
My Patron amongst the Northern Deities is Uller, the God of
Hunting and Archery, hence my Gensnomen and Cognomen.
My Praenomen is an adaptation of my given name, Steven.

My interest in Rome started about 35 years ago when I first read
and could begin to understand Classical Mythology and History.
This was encouraged by my maternal grandparents, who are Italian.
My grandfather is especially proud of his heritage, as his family
has been able to maintain custody of family tombs dating to the
First Century BCE near the village in which he was born.

[9/10/02 - Update on this: family lore puts the age of a cave on the
grounds of the family farm in Abruzzi at this extreme age, but some
things my mom's cousin Tony has "dug up" points to a 10th or 11th
century beginnings to burials there.]

There is a heavily Germanic/Celtic/Nordic presense in both Paternal
and Maternal ancestry, hence my response to the Northern Holy Ones.

I decided to apply for Citizenship after a short correspondence with
Consul F. Vedius Germanicus, which I initiated after having read the
materials posted in the Cyber-Urb.

I belong to three Germano-Nordic religious organizations and am on
amicable terms with a few more.

What does this have to do with Nova Roma? Admittedly, not much.
Just some of my bona fides.

I also have an extensive personal library, some of which are books
of Rome (or the Classical Era) whic are out of print. As I attended
military college, most do deal with the affairs of soldiers and
armies.

I have been a participant or member in the SCA for twenty-three years.
I do portray a persona who is a Second Century CE Roman-Briton,
Lucius Vergilius Ambulator, a third son who became a travelling
peddlar. I have long fought using Roman scutum with Nordic axe.

I am intensely interested in the Re-Awakening or interest in and Honor
for our European ancestry. I am not hard-core exclusionary like some
of my friends in Asatru are. But, I do admit that I am not hard-core
inclusionary in my most intimate relationships.

I will abide by the Constitution of Nova Roma, the Rulings of the
Senate and Magistrates and will strive only to be an Honorable,
Virtuous and Helpful Citizen.

Long May Nova Rome Grow and Thrive!
May All the Gods, of each of us, send us Blessings!

Vale,

S. Ullerius Venator


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	jo mama <minervalis02@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:28:55 -0700 (PDT)

--- Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
wrote:
> Ave Marcus Minucius Audens:
>
> It would be only fitting that our begininngs be
> humble, austere, and virtuous.
> After all, a few mud huts along the Tiber grew to
> dominate the known world. Why shouldn't we begin in
> a mobile home? Complete with a few pink flamingos
> and a ceramic burro pulling a cart out front.
>
> In all seriousness, lets keep this idea alive, I
> think we're onto something.
>
> Vale
> G.B. Agricola
>

We shall need water. We shall eventually have a modest
working aquaduct. Our first priority in choosing the
land is check its local enviroment to see if it is
conducive to health(swamps no!) and a temperate
climate.(desert or ice no!) Next we need a constant
source(s) for clean or semi-clean
water(purify,baby!)from a higher level than the 'down
town' area. Rivers?
Minervalis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Neue_Gr=FCndung?=
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:04:33 -0000

Mio caro Quinte Fabi Rulliane!

Viel Glueck bei der Gruendung Deiner neuen Organisation, wo Du Dich
und Deine Familie zum Zentrum der Aufmerksamkeit machen willst. In
Nova Roma wirst Du, fuerchte ich, nicht gluecklich werden. Im
uebrigen ist es ueblich seine e-mails auch ins Englische zu
uebersetzen. Es ist sozusagen eine Frage der Hoeflichkeit.

Ave et Vale Marcus Marcius Rex

English Translation

My dear Quinte Fabi Rulliane!

Good luck with the founding of your new organization, where you want
to make yourself and your family the center of attention. In Nova
Roma you will, I fear, not become a happy man. BTW it is customary to
translate your e-mails also into English. This is, so to say, a
matter of courtesy.

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@s...> wrote:
> Ich Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
> Werde in K�rze,eine neue Organisation
> Gr�nden, da ich doch nicht meine Ziele
> erreichen kann, bei Nova Roma. Werde
> ich Patria Christiani Romana Gr�nden.
> So werde ich mich als Oberhaupt ansehen, und meine Familien w�rde
> zur�ck bekommen. Da bei dieser Organisation die Ladessprachen
> Italienisch und Deutsch und Englisch und Latein werden sein. Das
SPQR wird
> das Hauptsimbol sein. Die R�nge gehen
> je nach Verdienst oder Familien Geschichte und W�rden vergeben. Vom
> 1x Imperator 1x Diktator und haufenweise Senatoren, Konsuls,
Statthalters, USW. Die Patrizier Geschlechte haben vortritt. Der
Imperator muss sich bei entscheidungen an den Senat wenden,
> so das Sie, das schlusswort haben
> d�rfen, der Feldherr und Diktator wird
> alle 2 Jahre neu gew�hlt, kann aber bei
> nicht gefallen vom Senat abgesetzt werden. Die wahlen vom Diktator
und
> Feldherrn sind dem Senat untergestellt.
> Da aber der Imperatoren Stuhl, auf Lebenslange Aufgabe ist, kann
nach dem Tod, nur der Senat, denn Neuen
> Imperator w�hlen. Die anderen Posten
> wie Senator oder Konsul wird vom
> Volke gew�hlt werden. Oder der Imperator darf diese Senatoren oder
> Konsul selbst nach Famili�ren Abstammung , auf diese Posten setzen.
> Mit einwilligung durch denn Senat. Der
> Senat hat hier eigentlich die Oberhand,
> dieser Organisation. Andere �mter werden nach dies nach dann bekannt
> gegeben. Ich werde mitglied des Nova
> Roma bleiben. Aber sie alle d�rfen Gratis auch Doppel Mitglieder
sein.
> Es soll ja Spass machen, das ganze
> zu aufbauen und Strukturen zu geben.
> Wer will kann beim aufbauen helfen, und Ideen geben, oder
Vorschl�ge.
>
> Mit vielen Freundlichem Gruss
> Quintus Fabius Rullianus
> Lebe Nova Roma.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:06:14 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Illustrious Marcus Minucius Audens et Omnes,

If I may, I would like to give my point of view on this subject.
Your idea to put the NRLandProject into the Egressus seems to be excellent.
Let me explain.
Last week end, I went with two of my three sons to a small reenactment event
nearby Frankfurt, Germany. It was medieval and the performance was acceptable.
They got an average of 100 people charged an average of 6 Euros (6 USD). I
talked to one of the "knights" and he told me that they raise money to open a
medieval shop.
What wouldn't we use the same kind of idea to buy a land? I think it is almost
impossible to buy anything without a source of income. We are not numerous and
known enough to live off donations.
It would be then the task of a dedicated team within the Egressus to find out
where and how it would be better to raise money and where and how to spend it.
I suspect that this task should be done on a Provincial level in concert with
all Propraetors.

Respectfully,

--- MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
> Master Agricola;
>
> In actuality this is what I have been looking at, except that I had not
> considered a trailer. This last weekend in Wells. Maine gave me a view
> of how much land area was necessary to put on a successful Roman Event.
> Two to three acres would certainly do it.
>
> There will certainly be more than one place of this kind. Here in the
> U.S. as in Europe a suitable place for periofic gathering and events
> will be required. I suspect that ultimately each provincia will have to
> deal with these problems, in order to execute face-to-face meetings and
> events in thier area. Perhaps this is where each Provincial Praetor /
> ProConsul will have to place some of his / her Provincial personnel,
> efforts and finances.
>
> Considering that a concrete block wall 8 ft high, and 25 feet long may
> well be more expensive that we can afford at a National level, counting
> labor at the present, the only thing that we have to offer at this time
> is our "Event Expertise" to a wide enough market to be profitable with
> an eye to more permanent structures.
>
> I'm sure that this observation will be bombarded by those who are
> looking into the wider and more fanciful picture, but a brief visit to a
> hardware store, lumber yard and a short talk with any skilld artisan
> will indicate my meaning. Yes we "can" build our own, but will we -- I
> doubt it any time soon, without firm commitments, plans and practical
> ideas, not to mention sufficient funding.
>
> By all means, we should keep this vision firmly in our view.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
> white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
> gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
> flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
> Seas!!!
>
>

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Neue_Gr=FCndung?=
From:	"Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili" <quinctilius.varus@web.de>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:20:45 -0000

*looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i will get pope! pope gaga XCIX ..........
QuQuVaGa

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@s...> wrote:
> Ich Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
> Werde in K�rze,eine neue Organisation
> Gr�nden, da ich doch nicht meine Ziele
> erreichen kann, bei Nova Roma. Werde
> ich Patria Christiani Romana Gr�nden.
> So werde ich mich als Oberhaupt ansehen, und meine Familien w�rde
> zur�ck bekommen. Da bei dieser Organisation die Ladessprachen
> Italienisch und Deutsch und Englisch und Latein werden sein. Das
SPQR wird
> das Hauptsimbol sein. Die R�nge gehen
> je nach Verdienst oder Familien Geschichte und W�rden vergeben. Vom
> 1x Imperator 1x Diktator und haufenweise Senatoren, Konsuls,
Statthalters, USW. Die Patrizier Geschlechte haben vortritt. Der
Imperator muss sich bei entscheidungen an den Senat wenden,
> so das Sie, das schlusswort haben
> d�rfen, der Feldherr und Diktator wird
> alle 2 Jahre neu gew�hlt, kann aber bei
> nicht gefallen vom Senat abgesetzt werden. Die wahlen vom Diktator
und
> Feldherrn sind dem Senat untergestellt.
> Da aber der Imperatoren Stuhl, auf Lebenslange Aufgabe ist, kann
nach dem Tod, nur der Senat, denn Neuen
> Imperator w�hlen. Die anderen Posten
> wie Senator oder Konsul wird vom
> Volke gew�hlt werden. Oder der Imperator darf diese Senatoren oder
> Konsul selbst nach Famili�ren Abstammung , auf diese Posten setzen.
> Mit einwilligung durch denn Senat. Der
> Senat hat hier eigentlich die Oberhand,
> dieser Organisation. Andere �mter werden nach dies nach dann bekannt
> gegeben. Ich werde mitglied des Nova
> Roma bleiben. Aber sie alle d�rfen Gratis auch Doppel Mitglieder
sein.
> Es soll ja Spass machen, das ganze
> zu aufbauen und Strukturen zu geben.
> Wer will kann beim aufbauen helfen, und Ideen geben, oder
Vorschl�ge.
>
> Mit vielen Freundlichem Gruss
> Quintus Fabius Rullianus
> Lebe Nova Roma.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Thank you
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:37:51 +0200

Salve Calve,

>Thank you for your permission. As your work was a group work I still
>need the permission of Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili,
>Caius Annaeus Lucanus Otho and Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus as well
>before I can legally reprint your group work.

Since the main tad of work was done by myself, including the translation
and the handing in of the work for the contest, I am confident to be able
to speak for the whole group. On the German speaking list of the province
Germania, the other members of the group have given me green light to translate
and hand in the work. With this, they have also given me right, to permit
the reprint, (I guess). Anyway, since the original is in German and the
translation into English is solely my work, it is I who is responsible for
this work.

I hope that is good enough for all of you.

Vale bene,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Translation=20into=20English=20=28Neue=20Gr=FCndung=29?=
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:52:26 +0200

Salvete omnes,

The following text was printed on the mainlist and is hereby translated
into English by the official translator for the German language, Tiberius
Annaeus Otho. The translator hereby distances himself from anything the
writer writes. It is solely his duty to translate the exact words!!!

-------

Start of translation:

I, Quintus Fabius Rullianus will shortly open a new organisation, since
I canot reach my goals in Nova Roma. I will found the 'Patria Christiani
Romana'. I will be the leader, and my family will get back what it has earned.
Italian, German, English and Latin will be the official languages of this
state and the sign 'SPQR' will be the main symbol of the new organisation.
Positions will be assigned according to family history, merits and honor.
>From 1x imperator, 1x dictator, lots of senators, consuls, propraetors etc.
The patrician gentes are taken first. The imperator has to consult the senate,
so that the senate has the last word. Generals and dictators are elected
every second year and can be taken down by the senate. Elections for dictator
and generals are organized by the senate. Since the office of imperator
is for live, the senate can only vote a new imperator after his death. All
other offices like senator or consul are elected by the public or designated
by the imperator according to family history, with the consent of the senate.
The senate is in charge of the state.

I will stay a member of Nova Roma. All of you are invited to become a member
of my state. It should be fun to reconstruct the whole thing and start with
nothing. Who wants to help and give ideas???

Sincerely,
Quintus Fabius Rullianus
Long live Nova Roma.

>-- Original-Nachricht --
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>From: "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:31:46 +0200
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Neue Gr�ndung
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Ich Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
>Werde in K�rze,eine neue Organisation
>Gr�nden, da ich doch nicht meine Ziele
>erreichen kann, bei Nova Roma. Werde
>ich Patria Christiani Romana Gr�nden.
>So werde ich mich als Oberhaupt ansehen, und meine Familien w�rde
>zur�ck bekommen. Da bei dieser Organisation die Ladessprachen
>Italienisch und Deutsch und Englisch und Latein werden sein. Das SPQR wird
>das Hauptsimbol sein. Die R�nge gehen
>je nach Verdienst oder Familien Geschichte und W�rden vergeben. Vom
>1x Imperator 1x Diktator und haufenweise Senatoren, Konsuls, Statthalters,
>USW. Die Patrizier Geschlechte haben vortritt. Der Imperator muss sich
bei
>entscheidungen an den Senat wenden,
>so das Sie, das schlusswort haben
>d�rfen, der Feldherr und Diktator wird
>alle 2 Jahre neu gew�hlt, kann aber bei
>nicht gefallen vom Senat abgesetzt werden. Die wahlen vom Diktator und
>Feldherrn sind dem Senat untergestellt.
>Da aber der Imperatoren Stuhl, auf Lebenslange Aufgabe ist, kann nach dem
>Tod, nur der Senat, denn Neuen
>Imperator w�hlen. Die anderen Posten
>wie Senator oder Konsul wird vom
>Volke gew�hlt werden. Oder der Imperator darf diese Senatoren oder
>Konsul selbst nach Famili�ren Abstammung , auf diese Posten setzen.
>Mit einwilligung durch denn Senat. Der
>Senat hat hier eigentlich die Oberhand,
>dieser Organisation. Andere �mter werden nach dies nach dann bekannt
>gegeben. Ich werde mitglied des Nova
>Roma bleiben. Aber sie alle d�rfen Gratis auch Doppel Mitglieder sein.
>Es soll ja Spass machen, das ganze
>zu aufbauen und Strukturen zu geben.
>Wer will kann beim aufbauen helfen, und Ideen geben, oder Vorschl�ge.
>
>Mit vielen Freundlichem Gruss
>Quintus Fabius Rullianus
>Lebe Nova Roma.
Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] NR & SVR (was morosbe2001)
From:	"Diana Apollonia Aventina" <diana_aventina@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:37:04 -0000

Salvete Romani,

Since I was briefly mentioned in one of the emails, I would like to
respond in a positive way.

In my opinion, NR is a great organization. I clearly remember the
excitement I felt when I found NR more than 3 years ago. I was also
happy when a few months ago, I learned that the SVR existed, because
the SVR has many citizens in Belgica, which is where I live. Since
they are only a quick train ride from me, we can easily meet and chat
about something that we all love: the Roman Empire, the Religio, etc.
The knowledge that we gain from eachother can be useful in any
organization that we belong to.

I don't feel that I am betraying NR when I am also a member of the
SVR. Those of us with a common interest in all things Roman should be
friendly (or at least civil) towards eachother, no matter what our
group affiliations are. Generally speaking, many people think that we
are all a bit silly to adopt Roman names, etc. But on the other hand,
society in general finds it perfectly acceptable when
someone's 'hobbies' so to speak, go no futher than watching shows
such as Big Brother or Jerry Springer all day.

Speaking only for myself, I honestly hope that one day the SVR
becomes part of NR, but that is just my humble opinion. With the
utmost respect to all concerned, when/if this is ever considered, I
hope to be one of the people that can mediate a positive agreement
between the 2 organizations. <Diana ducks under her computer table in
case any NR or SVR citizen throws a virtual rock at her head> :-)

Valete,
Diana Apollonia Aventina


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:22:44 +0200 (MEST)

Salvete!
I think actually, the mobile-house idea is good. First find a place, then
consider what would be the best to do with it.
Since I am right now and at least for the next three years in the U.S. I
will gladly help to build something. I took seminars about archaeological parks
and reconstruction at my former university. Maybe that could assist.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

--
GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet.
http://www.gmx.net

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6ffentliche_anschuldigung_zur=FCck_gewiesen.?=
From:	"Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:19:17 +0200

Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
f�r eine Frechheit h�lt. Das ich nicht in
Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
wenig verstehe. Sonst w�rde ich klar
auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
echtem R�mer Geschlecht der Fabier
an. Es k�nnte f�r Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue F�r deine Verschiessenen Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
J�zornig sind. Es k�nnte dann der
Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.

Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?NOT=20translation=20into=20English=20=28=F6ffentliche=20anschuldigung=20zur=FCck=20gewiesen=29?=
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:48:43 +0200

Salvete honorable quirites,

I, the official translator for the German language, will NOT translate the
following text into English!! It is insulting and way below the line!! I
will not bring shame upon my name and the name of my Gens by translating
messages like these!!!

Curate ut valeatis in pace deorum, Tiberius Annaeus Otho

>-- Original-Nachricht --
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>From: "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:19:17 +0200
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] �ffentliche anschuldigung zur�ck gewiesen.
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
>f�r eine Frechheit h�lt. Das ich nicht in
>Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
>Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
>wenig verstehe. Sonst w�rde ich klar
>auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
>klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
>Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
>Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
>echtem R�mer Geschlecht der Fabier
>an. Es k�nnte f�r Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue F�r deine Verschiessenen
>Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
>J�zornig sind. Es k�nnte dann der
>Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
>Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
>
>Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BNova-Roma=5D_NOT_translation_into_English_=28=F6ffe?=
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:59:05 -0700

Avete Omnes,

Tiberius, please no need to get upset, Romans were clearly experts at the colorful use of language, especially when it comes to a sexual nature.

If anyone is interested in a translation of the post, they can go to www.freetranslation.com and get a rough translation.

However, at this point I think our list moderators might want to step in and get involved.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:48 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] NOT translation into English (�ffentliche anschuldigung zur�ck gewiesen)

Salvete honorable quirites,

I, the official translator for the German language, will NOT translate the
following text into English!! It is insulting and way below the line!! I
will not bring shame upon my name and the name of my Gens by translating
messages like these!!!

Curate ut valeatis in pace deorum, Tiberius Annaeus Otho

>-- Original-Nachricht --
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>From: "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:19:17 +0200
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] �ffentliche anschuldigung zur�ck gewiesen.
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
>f�r eine Frechheit h�lt. Das ich nicht in
>Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
>Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
>wenig verstehe. Sonst w�rde ich klar
>auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
>klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
>Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
>Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
>echtem R�mer Geschlecht der Fabier
>an. Es k�nnte f�r Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue F�r deine Verschiessenen
>Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
>J�zornig sind. Es k�nnte dann der
>Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
>Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
>
>Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NOT translation into English (�ffentliche anschuldigung zur�ck gewiesen)
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:59:50 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,

I agree with you.
may be you should report this to the moderator?

Vale,

--- tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch wrote:
> Salvete honorable quirites,
>
> I, the official translator for the German language, will NOT translate the
> following text into English!! It is insulting and way below the line!! I
> will not bring shame upon my name and the name of my Gens by translating
> messages like these!!!
>
> Curate ut valeatis in pace deorum, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
> >-- Original-Nachricht --
> >To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> >From: "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:19:17 +0200
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] �ffentliche anschuldigung zur�ck gewiesen.
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
> >f�r eine Frechheit h�lt. Das ich nicht in
> >Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
> >Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
> >wenig verstehe. Sonst w�rde ich klar
> >auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
> >klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
> >Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
> >Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
> >echtem R�mer Geschlecht der Fabier
> >an. Es k�nnte f�r Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue F�r deine
> Verschiessenen
> >Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
> >J�zornig sind. Es k�nnte dann der
> >Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
> >Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
> >
> >Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
> Lictor curiatus
> Translator linguae Germanicae
> Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
>
>

=====
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NOT_translation_into_English_(=F6ffentliche_anschuldigung_zur=FCck_gewiesen)?=
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:31:42 -0000

> I agree with you.
> may be you should report this to the moderator?
>
> Vale,
>
> --- tiberius.ann@b... wrote:
> > Salvete honorable quirites,
> >
Salvete gentlemen!

Before you take any action would you please be nice to him and find
out who the heck did his family tree. To go back 2500 years is
incredible. Some members of my family have been tracing our lineage
for 15 years and we only got back to + or - 300 years at best!(grin)

Regards

Quintus Lanius Paulinus>
>
> =====
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
> Propraetor Galliae
> Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
> French Translator
>
> __________________________________________________
> Yahoo! - We Remember
> 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost
> http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_=F6ffentliche_anschuldigung_zur=FCck_gewiesen.?=
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:34:27 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@s...> wrote:
> Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
> f�r eine Frechheit h�lt. Das ich nicht in
> Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
> Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
> wenig verstehe. Sonst w�rde ich klar
> auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
> klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
> Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
> Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
> echtem R�mer Geschlecht der Fabier
> an. Es k�nnte f�r Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue F�r deine
Verschiessenen Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
> J�zornig sind. Es k�nnte dann der
> Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
> Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
>
> Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus

I certainly understand enough German to understand that this
individual lacks both dignitas and comitas, and it is my belief that
anyone who so writes harms him or herself far more than we Nova
Romanae.

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net


Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20=5BNova=2DRoma=5D=20Re=3A=20NOT=20translation=20into=20English=20=28=F6ffentliche=20anschuldigung=20zur=FCck=20gewiesen=29?=
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:34:49 +0200

Salve,

>Before you take any action would you please be nice to him and find
>out who the heck did his family tree. To go back 2500 years is
>incredible. Some members of my family have been tracing our lineage
>for 15 years and we only got back to + or - 300 years at best!(grin)

I happen to know, that in Italy, especially in Rome and in the Vatican,
there are people who give out official certificated to show that someone
is actually related to the Romans. Those are official macronational documents
and have legal power.

We have a similar family tree, going back as long. I tell you, those things
exist!!

Vale bene,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BNova-Roma=5D_Re:_NOT_translation_into_English_=28?=
From:	"Paul Kershaw" <brighn@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:53:40 -0400

Vale Quintus Lanius,

That's about how far my family got. I don't recall the generation count, but one branch has it traced back to the Mayflower, which is a tad over 300 years, but not much.

-- Festus (a direct descendent of Miles Standish, woowoo)

Salvete gentlemen!

... Some members of my family have been tracing our lineage
for 15 years and we only got back to + or - 300 years at best!(grin)

Regards

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NOT_translation_into_English_(=F6ffentliche_anschuldigung_zur=FCck_gewiesen)?=
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:19:54 -0000

the Vatican,
> there are people who give out official certificated to show that
someone
> is actually related to the Romans. Those are official macronational
documents
> and have legal power.
>
> We have a similar family tree, going back as long. I tell you,
those things
> exist!!
>
> Vale bene,
> Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
Salve Tiberi,

That is good to know. On this side of the ocean we are a mixed bag of
cultures and its a big task to trace things both here and in Europe.
Are these people who would be in the Vatican records more or less big
prominant families or former aristocrats down through the ages?

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:15:50 -0400

On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 05:22:44AM +0200, caiustarquitius@gmx.de wrote:
> Salvete!
> I think actually, the mobile-house idea is good. First find a place, then
> consider what would be the best to do with it.

Just as a bit of real-world data, friends of mine just bought some
property in Colorado and put two of those full-sized (60 feet, I
think?) used trailers on them. The second one was damaged during
delivery - it took about a day to repair - and they paid $200 for it.
It's a *big*, comfortable sort of place. <chuckle> On the other hand, I
live on a 37-foot sailboat, so maybe I'm not the best judge of that...
Anyway, the used ones go for a few thousand dollars in locations where
they're common.

Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Impossibilium nulla obligatio est.
Nobody has any obligation to the impossible.
-- Corpus Iuris Civilis: Digesta


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:53:10 -0700

In a message dated 9/10/2002 9:36:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:
> "Better idea: buy (or lease) land with something Roman *already on it*"

Perhaps there's a site somewhere in Europe or North Africa that is neglected
and could stand being "adopted" for preservation or possible restoration.

Cn. Strabo
Jim Lancaster


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] How to be a proto-citizen
From:	Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:05:18 -0700

My application is pending, but I've got more than enough research for my
book project to keep me busy. As part of that, I've created an Excel
spreadsheet to compare the discrepancies between the NR Calendar and the
interactive Calendar at:

http://www.clubs.psu.edu/aegsa/rome/romec.html

This calendar, put together by Penn State grad students according to the
credit, has a few differences with the NR calendar as well as duplication
within itself. For instance, I count three separate birthdays for Isis
alone. More importantly, it has holidays beginning and ending on different
days than NR's, and as long as I need to resolve this for myself, I'm happy
to work with whoever's developing NR calendar. Admittedly I'm a neophyte,
but I'll put my shoulder to the wheel if I can help in any way.

Vale,
Cn Strabo
Jim Lancaster


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] a candle for all...
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:14:16 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

I want to light a virtual candle remembering the deads of the WTC and I hope
all the Nova Romans will do it.

However I would like that you light a candle not only for the American
victims of the 11 September, but for the peace in the world.
Please, light a candle for the Afghanistan victims, for the Iraqi people
under the bombs, for the palestinian deads, for the israelian citizens in
the pubs of Jerusalem, for all the innocent victims of the war, dead
beacause another man have decided it.
Please, light a fire for a world of peace without war and violence ....

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI AND HERCULANEUM AND THE VILLA DEI PAPIRI
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:19:13 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

It is my honor and my priviledge to present a background article
about the VILLA DEI PAPIRI (House of Papires) and the city where it
is situated, Herculaneum, during the terrible eruption in 79 AC of
the vulcano Vesuvio. I want to point your attention to this villa as
in it there may yet be found works by many Latin or other authors
that have been lost for nearly 2000 years.

There has been some excavationwork at the villa before, but the funds
are at the moment finished. Furthermore a flood of ground water
treaten the villa and the yet unexcavated areas of the villa. Today
the archeologists have decided to bury the villa under earth to
protect it from criminals until new funds will be found. The treat
from the flood also still excists.

It is the intention of the Cohors Aedilis (C.F.Q.) to continue to
search for articles about this site and people from whom we can get
more information. We intend to return to this interesting mystery and
alarming adventure during the Ludi Victoria.

I want to thank my friend and Quaestor Illustrus Franciscus Apulus
Caesar for his indefatigable work for me in the Cohors Aedilis. I am
also very pleased to publicly thank Illustra Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
for her fantastic and speedy translating work of the Herculaneum and
villa article.

The article will be found at:
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/herculaneum.htm
--
Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] a candle for all...
From:	"Kreb Dragonrider" <krebdragonrider@btopenworld.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:57:09 +0100

Salvete Omnes,

I too will light a candle for all victims of terrorism and war, and on this day I remember those killed in New York WTS and the Pentagon.

This I do in the spirit of Concordia and Pax.

You may not know me, but I am a prospective citizen, a Celt from Britannica, but keeping quiet until I one day become enrolled as a citizen of Nova Roma.

But today I publicly express my remembrance.

May there be peace and fellowship between all tribes and nations.

Vale,

Kreb Dragonrider (legal name)
Gaius --- Draconavis (provisional Roman name)

----- Original Message -----
From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:14 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] a candle for all...

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

I want to light a virtual candle remembering the deads of the WTC and I hope
all the Nova Romans will do it.

However I would like that you light a candle not only for the American
victims of the 11 September, but for the peace in the world.
Please, light a candle for the Afghanistan victims, for the Iraqi people
under the bombs, for the palestinian deads, for the israelian citizens in
the pubs of Jerusalem, for all the innocent victims of the war, dead
beacause another man have decided it.
Please, light a fire for a world of peace without war and violence ....

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Archers
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:47:04 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : jmath669642reng@webtv.net
>
>
>�Archers , who were usually of Eastern origin, are shown on Hadrian's
>Column wearing mail shirts which are just a longer version of the
>cavalty type
>
....
>
>While I do not dispute your word, it is hard for me to understand why if
>Eastern Archers understood the full use of the bow, and had experience
>with the weapon over such a long period, why they still only pulled the
>string to thier chest and not back to the ear, so that the archer could
>sight along the arrow. If you have a reference to support your
>supposition I would be pleased to know of it.
>
Salve Marce Minuci,
Respectfully, you have illustrated the point: *Eastern* archers. Not Roman. Part of the Roman genius was obviously to utilise those much better at certain things than themselves, so archers might well be Orientals who knew how to draw a bow technically superior in its construction to the Welsh longbow, just as slingers were preferred from Majorca-Minorca and cavalry from tribes accustomed to mounted warfare rather than attempt to diversify from what the legionaries were good at. I don't dispute for a moment that Easterners could handle a bow, merely that it was not a weapon the romans and Italians developed to any great extent themselves. Who knows why? Perhaps it was originally dishonorable to shoot at a distance, perhaps having weak bows only capable of a chest draw they proved ineffective against the Roman shield. Perhaps the bow was better suited for and against cavalry mounted on larger horses than were common in Europe at that time. Perhpas orientals learnt the full draw and composite bows capable of sustaining it from further East or developed it themselves.
I was not for a moment suggesting lack of knowledge, only lack of *Roman* usage.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Archers
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:53:56 +0100 (BST)

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>From : PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date : 10 September 2002 09:48:55
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>Of all the historic archers very few drew their shafts to the ear in the
>manner of the Welsh, English, and certain Neolithic cultures who favored a
>d-section longbow of up to six and a half feet long. The length of
It takes a large powerful man a lot of training to handle such a weapon. The only ancient army which might be termed professional was Sparta and they did not need it.

>for combat. What has always struck me as odd is that even during the early
>Republic, the Romans used slingers instead of archers as their primary
>auxiliary missile troops right up through the Gallic Wars. A Balearic
>slinger used three different slings of various lengths with lead bullets but
>their range was still inferior to a simple self bow. I can only hazard a
>guess that they worked with what they knew until something better came along
Since they all had the same weaponary there was perhaps no disadvantage. The composite bow must have had simple ancestors. Perhaps the wood available to Romans could not take the strain and therefore an archery tradition never developed to experiment with more powerful composite variations. Such quirky things happen: China had rockets and cannon yet the West never took the rocket seriously as a weapon while developing the cannon far beyond Chinese models within a century or two. Because China lacked the metallurgy perhaps? Or the competition?
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:59:02 +0100 (BST)

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>From : Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date : 10 September 2002 14:21:41
Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
�Better idea: buy (or lease) land with something Roman *already on it*�
>
>Almost impossible here in the States.
>
>Almost! Only Almost? Are you privy to some historical knowledge unknown to the rest of us? I know there have been speculations on the Knights Templar and there is "Asterix and the Great Crossing" but Roman remains in the Isles of the Hesperides yet?
However, it is not impossible for European members. Not that they might not fall foul of archeologists, but there are also sites whose archeological interest is effectively played out and preserve little except the knowledge that something was there. There should be no fear of desecrating sites of genuine historical interest with a modern replica.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:02:46 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : MarcusAudens@webtv.net
>
>Your �piggy-backing� of ideas is really great!!! Trailer indeed!!!
>There are several used trailers in our vicinity for sale which have been
>utilized as construction offices. They are sold without furniture, but
>the heating, sanitation and cooling facilities are intact.
>
Salve!
what I have also oseen used as an office is a container. Though I'd advise to keep the sun off it! I have also been inside a 5-axle articulated lorry used as a Hare Krishna mobile temple. I'm not so sure that a truck is a good idea but dmaged containers might be easy to come by and cut doors and windows in, even to mount on a chassis.
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Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Nova-Roma]_Re:_Neue_Gr=FCndung?=
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:09:36 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili <quinctilius.varus@web.de>
To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date : 11 September 2002 09:20:45
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re: Neue Gr�ndung
*looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>i will get pope! pope gaga XCIX ..........
>QuQuVaGa
>
O please! Why stop at Pope? Popes and Patriarchs were subordinate to the later Emperors, the XIIIth Apostle, Elect of God, Beloved of Christ, Vicar of God on Earth etc etc - check Tsar Nikolai II's titles; they were the same - better Ivan the Terrible's. Reckon it'll be a mighty small intimate society...
Vib. Amb. Caes.
>--- In Nova-Roma@y..., �Fabiano Luigi� <internetomat@s...> wrote:
>> Ich Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
>> Werde in K�rze,eine neue Organisation
>> Gr�nden, da ich doch nicht meine Ziele
>> erreichen kann, bei Nova Roma. Werde
>> ich Patria Christiani Romana Gr�nden.
>> So werde ich mich als Oberhaupt ansehen, und meine Familien w�rde
>> zur�ck bekommen. Da bei dieser Organisation die Ladessprachen
>> Italienisch und Deutsch und Englisch und Latein werden sein. Das
>SPQR wird
>> das Hauptsimbol sein. Die R�nge gehen
>> je nach Verdienst oder Familien Geschichte und W�rden vergeben. Vom
>> 1x Imperator 1x Diktator und haufenweise Senatoren, Konsuls,
>Statthalters, USW. Die Patrizier Geschlechte haben vortritt. Der
>Imperator muss sich bei entscheidungen an den Senat wenden,
>> so das Sie, das schlusswort haben
>> d�rfen, der Feldherr und Diktator wird
>> alle 2 Jahre neu gew�hlt, kann aber bei
>> nicht gefallen vom Senat abgesetzt werden. Die wahlen vom Diktator
>und
>> Feldherrn sind dem Senat untergestellt.
>> Da aber der Imperatoren Stuhl, auf Lebenslange Aufgabe ist, kann
>nach dem Tod, nur der Senat, denn Neuen
>> Imperator w�hlen. Die anderen Posten
>> wie Senator oder Konsul wird vom
>> Volke gew�hlt werden. Oder der Imperator darf diese Senatoren oder
>> Konsul selbst nach Famili�ren Abstammung , auf diese Posten setzen.
>> Mit einwilligung durch denn Senat. Der
>> Senat hat hier eigentlich die Oberhand,
>> dieser Organisation. Andere �mter werden nach dies nach dann bekannt
>> gegeben. Ich werde mitglied des Nova
>> Roma bleiben. Aber sie alle d�rfen Gratis auch Doppel Mitglieder
>sein.
>> Es soll ja Spass machen, das ganze
>> zu aufbauen und Strukturen zu geben.
>> Wer will kann beim aufbauen helfen, und Ideen geben, oder
>Vorschl�ge.
>>
>> Mit vielen Freundlichem Gruss
>> Quintus Fabius Rullianus
>> Lebe Nova Roma.
>>
>>
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Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Nova-Roma]_=F6ffentliche_a?=
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:12:10 +0100 (BST)

Dein Deutsch auch k�nnte viel verbessert werden...

-----Original Message-----
>From : Fabiano Luigi <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date : 11 September 2002 08:19:17
Subject : [Nova-Roma] �ffentliche anschuldigung zur�ck gewiesen.
Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
>f�r eine Frechheit h�lt. Das ich nicht in
>Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
>Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
>wenig verstehe. Sonst w�rde ich klar
>auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
>klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
>Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
>Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
>echtem R�mer Geschlecht der Fabier
>an. Es k�nnte f�r Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue F�r deine Verschiessenen Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
>J�zornig sind. Es k�nnte dann der
>Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
>Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
>
>Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
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Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Nova-Roma]_Re:_NOT_translation_into_Engli?=
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:15:52 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
>
>Before you take any action would you please be nice to him and find
>out who the heck did his family tree. To go back 2500 years is
>incredible. Some members of my family have been tracing our lineage
>for 15 years and we only got back to + or - 300 years at best!(grin)
>
I agree: there are English and Irish aristocrats capable of some claim to having 'arrived with the Normans' in 1066 and I have met Icelanders who, even without surnames, can trace their lineage to the Landnammab�k of the 9th century, but to the earliest origins of Rome! However, Faba is a {broad}bean and we know what beans have a reputation for producing.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Lineage
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@texas.net>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:21:45 -0500

Salvete Vibi Ambrosi et omnes

> I agree: there are English and Irish aristocrats capable of some
> claim to having 'arrived with the Normans' in 1066...

Not just aristocrats; my maternal line traces through a Norman knight
named DesFeld who was at Hastings all the way to Charlemagne. My known
paternal line is much shorter, as there were a *lot* of John Davises in
Virginia in the late 1700s.

Valete
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