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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI AND HERCULANEUM AND THE VILLA DEI PAPIRI
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:15:08 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,
Here's a link
http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/classics/resources/philodemus_project.html

--- Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@telia.com> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> It is my honor and my priviledge to present a
> background article
> about the VILLA DEI PAPIRI (House of Papires) and
> the city where it
> is situated, Herculaneum, during the terrible
> eruption in 79 AC of
> the vulcano Vesuvio. I want to point your attention
> to this villa as
> in it there may yet be found works by many Latin or
> other authors
> that have been lost for nearly 2000 years.
>
> There has been some excavationwork at the villa
> before, but the funds
> are at the moment finished. Furthermore a flood of
> ground water
> treaten the villa and the yet unexcavated areas of
> the villa. Today
> the archeologists have decided to bury the villa
> under earth to
> protect it from criminals until new funds will be
> found. The treat
> from the flood also still excists.
>
> It is the intention of the Cohors Aedilis (C.F.Q.)
> to continue to
> search for articles about this site and people from
> whom we can get
> more information. We intend to return to this
> interesting mystery and
> alarming adventure during the Ludi Victoria.
>
> I want to thank my friend and Quaestor Illustrus
> Franciscus Apulus
> Caesar for his indefatigable work for me in the
> Cohors Aedilis. I am
> also very pleased to publicly thank Illustra Aurelia
> Iulia Pulchra
> for her fantastic and speedy translating work of the
> Herculaneum and
> villa article.
>
> The article will be found at:
>
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/herculaneum.htm
> --
> Valete
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
> Propraetor Thules
> AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
> Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
> "Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
>
> ************************************************
> The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
> ************************************************
> The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
> http://thule.novaroma.org/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
>

=====
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"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_=F6ffentliche_anschuldigung_zur=FCck_gewiesen.?=
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:57:37 -0000

Werte Zensoren,

Ist im Falle dieses Buergers das notwendige Alter um Buerger Nova
Romas zu werden, ueberprueft worden? Gemessen an seinen Texten wuerde
ich eine Reife von deutlich weniger als 18 Jahren annehmen.

Im uebrigen beantrage ich oeffentlich die Erteilung einer zensorialen
Nota als Strafe gegen Quintus Fabius Rullianus. Die voellig
unprovozierte Verwendung von Begriffen wie "verschissene
Unterhose", "nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen" und aehnliches
erfuellen aus meiner Sicht die Vorausetzungen in Artikel IV.A.1.f.
der Verfassung. Nicht, dass ich mich besonders getroffen fuehle, aber
eine derartige Sprache sollte nun doch nicht unbedingt auf der
Hauptliste die Norm sein.

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex

English Translation:

Dear Censors

Has it been checked in the case of this citizen, whether he has
reached the necessary age to become a Nova Roman citizen? Judging by
his postings, I would assume a maturity of clearly less than 18 years.

In addition I move publicly to issue a censorial nota as punishment
against Quintus Fabius Rullianus. The completely unprovoked use of
words like "verschissene Unterhose", "nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern
in Deinen" and similar expressions in my view fulfill the
requirements set out in Article IV.A.1.f. of the Constitution. Not
that I feel particularly hurt, but language like this should not
necessarily be the norm on the mainlist.

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@s...> wrote:
> Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
> für eine Frechheit hält. Das ich nicht in
> Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
> Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
> wenig verstehe. Sonst würde ich klar
> auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
> klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
> Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
> Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
> echtem Römer Geschlecht der Fabier
> an. Es könnte für Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue Für deine
Verschiessenen Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
> Jäzornig sind. Es könnte dann der
> Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
> Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
>
> Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Lineage
From:	"Tiberius Ambrosius Silvus " <xwood@usa.net>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:07:18 -0000

If there is anyone out there who could legitimately trace his
ancestry back to ancient Rome, they should put it on the internet for
all to see! It would be so fascinating, to trace back their line from
today through the ages to antiquity. I can only trace my ancestry on
my father's side back 5 or 6 generations, but on my mother's side we
can go back to two brothers who came to Canada from France as
voyageurs in the late 17th century. Now if someone in France who
can trace their ancestry back to Caesar, and they turn out to be my
69th cousin... well wouldn't that be interesting?

Ti. Ambrosius Silvus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_=F6ffentliche_anschuldigung_zur=FCck_gewiesen.?=
From:	"sdolzg" <billgatesson@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:15:47 -0000

Salvete,

I dont mean to be rude or upset any civis but,
I was just browsing Yahoo groups and it says that
this group is in English.(Nova Roma was also founded in the u.s.)
Does that mean english has somehow
magically turned to german while we were all sleeping???
This is something no one has adderessed as of yet.

Lucius Avisius Seneca

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@a...> wrote:
> Werte Zensoren,
>
> Ist im Falle dieses Buergers das notwendige Alter um Buerger Nova
> Romas zu werden, ueberprueft worden? Gemessen an seinen Texten
wuerde
> ich eine Reife von deutlich weniger als 18 Jahren annehmen.
>
> Im uebrigen beantrage ich oeffentlich die Erteilung einer
zensorialen
> Nota als Strafe gegen Quintus Fabius Rullianus. Die voellig
> unprovozierte Verwendung von Begriffen wie "verschissene
> Unterhose", "nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen" und
aehnliches
> erfuellen aus meiner Sicht die Vorausetzungen in Artikel IV.A.1.f.
> der Verfassung. Nicht, dass ich mich besonders getroffen fuehle,
aber
> eine derartige Sprache sollte nun doch nicht unbedingt auf der
> Hauptliste die Norm sein.
>
> Ave et Vale
>
> Marcus Marcius Rex
>
> English Translation:
>
> Dear Censors
>
> Has it been checked in the case of this citizen, whether he has
> reached the necessary age to become a Nova Roman citizen? Judging
by
> his postings, I would assume a maturity of clearly less than 18
years.
>
> In addition I move publicly to issue a censorial nota as punishment
> against Quintus Fabius Rullianus. The completely unprovoked use of
> words like "verschissene Unterhose", "nicht in meinen Arsch,
sondern
> in Deinen" and similar expressions in my view fulfill the
> requirements set out in Article IV.A.1.f. of the Constitution. Not
> that I feel particularly hurt, but language like this should not
> necessarily be the norm on the mainlist.
>
> Ave et Vale
>
> Marcus Marcius Rex
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@s...> wrote:
> > Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
> > für eine Frechheit hält. Das ich nicht in
> > Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
> > Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
> > wenig verstehe. Sonst würde ich klar
> > auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
> > klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
> > Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
> > Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
> > echtem Römer Geschlecht der Fabier
> > an. Es könnte für Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue Für deine
> Verschiessenen Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
> > Jäzornig sind. Es könnte dann der
> > Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
> > Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
> >
> > Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Non-English Posts
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:28:08 -0700 (PDT)

Lalve, Luci Avisi Seneca--

Entirely true; this list is supposed to be in English.
Unfortunately, I don't speak German, so I am unable
to write to Mssr. Rullianus to tell him so. Would it
be possible for someone who does speak German to
please inform Mssr. Rullianus of the list rules?

I would greatly appreciate that.

---
Renata Corva
Scriba Praetoris

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NOT translation into English (öffentliche anschuldigung zurück gewiesen)
From:	"scott dolleck" <billgatesson@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:41:13 -0600

salvete,

Quintus,
since most of the citizens in nova roma
speak english, It would behoove you to translate
your posts into english,since you have succsessfully insulted our
translater. There is NO reason to insult
the cives of NR with your colorful posts. Everyone has
there own idea's but I think you should keep yours to your self untill you
can speak like an adult.

Lucius Avisius Seneca

>From: tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] NOT translation into English (öffentliche
>anschuldigung zurück gewiesen)
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:48:43 +0200
>
>Salvete honorable quirites,
>
>I, the official translator for the German language, will NOT translate the
>following text into English!! It is insulting and way below the line!! I
>will not bring shame upon my name and the name of my Gens by translating
>messages like these!!!
>
>Curate ut valeatis in pace deorum, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
> >-- Original-Nachricht --
> >To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> >From: "Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:19:17 +0200
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] öffentliche anschuldigung zurück gewiesen.
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
> >für eine Frechheit hält. Das ich nicht in
> >Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
> >Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
> >wenig verstehe. Sonst würde ich klar
> >auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
> >klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
> >Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
> >Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
> >echtem Römer Geschlecht der Fabier
> >an. Es könnte für Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue Für deine
>Verschiessenen
> >Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
> >Jäzornig sind. Es könnte dann der
> >Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
> >Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
> >
> >Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
>Lictor curiatus
>Translator linguae Germanicae
>Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
>Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
>Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
>Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
>

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Subject:	Re: =?utf-8?B?X1tOb3ZhLVJvbWFdX05PVF90cmFu?=
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:04:07 -0400

Avete omnes!

On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 07:59:05AM -0700, L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
> Tiberius, please no need to get upset, Romans were clearly experts at
> the colorful use of language, especially when it comes to a sexual
> nature.

And, I would add, this person's behavior in no way reflects on you, your
gens, your country or your language, at least in my perception. As a
wise man said recently, "Stupid people are associated with everything."

> If anyone is interested in a translation of the post, they can go to
> www.freetranslation.com and get a rough translation.

Between the obvious sound-alike words and my (minimal) knowledge of
German, I got the gist. What, is it troll season already? I didn't
realize it was that late in the year.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Where do these people come from? Is there an agency out there that
reads the Net and says "oops, not enough morons on this newsgroup" and
then assigns some slack-jawed inbred grit-eatin' stooge to gum up the
works?
-- Jim Cowling
------------------------------------------------------------------------

> However, at this point I think our list moderators might want to step
> in and get involved.

<nod> Reasonable suggestion. Between the refusal to adhere to list
language policy and the moronic drivel with broadcast insults, this
fella deserves a LART to the head. Now, if only I could figure out how
to wipe his drool and spittle off the inside of my screen... oh,
*there's* my delete key! :)

Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Sed fugit interae, fugit irreparabile tempus.
But meanwhile, the irreplaceable time escapes.
-- Vergil, "Georgica"


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lineage
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:39:07 -0500

My mother's side of the family has been researched back
to a Robert d'Ouille, Count of the Holy Roman Empire. He
served as a Temporary Emperor of Charlemagne. He signed
the Treaty of Verdun in 843 AD for the separation of
Gaul and Germany. The d'Ouille name has change over time
to Dial.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

--
Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Nova Roma

iChat/AIM: WyrdCharlie


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:35:33 -0500

Agreed Minervalis

Thats why I believe my state of Missouri would be the perfect place. Lots of rivers, valleys, and hills. And mobile homes? heck, we are the swirling nexus of mobile homes!! Did the Romans wear mullets?

In any event, the land project should be centrally located in America so that it is accessable to all. I humbly offer my meager leadership for this undertaking.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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----- Original Message -----
From: jo mama
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject

--- Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
wrote:
> Ave Marcus Minucius Audens:
>
> It would be only fitting that our begininngs be
> humble, austere, and virtuous.
> After all, a few mud huts along the Tiber grew to
> dominate the known world. Why shouldn't we begin in
> a mobile home? Complete with a few pink flamingos
> and a ceramic burro pulling a cart out front.
>
> In all seriousness, lets keep this idea alive, I
> think we're onto something.
>
> Vale
> G.B. Agricola
>

We shall need water. We shall eventually have a modest
working aquaduct. Our first priority in choosing the
land is check its local enviroment to see if it is
conducive to health(swamps no!) and a temperate
climate.(desert or ice no!) Next we need a constant
source(s) for clean or semi-clean
water(purify,baby!)from a higher level than the 'down
town' area. Rivers?
Minervalis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lineage
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:41:49 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,

HUMOR ALERT !!
This post contains information from a nutcase
conspircy site.

Oh a great many people can be traced back to
antiquity, at least according to the Piso Conspircy,
which claims the Calpurnius Piso Family has ruled the
Western World for the past 2000 years. Allegedly every
Western Ruler since the Emperors have been members of
the Piso family.

Here's a link that traces President Bush all the way
back to the Pharohs of the XVIIth Dynasty.

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/famtree/georgewb.html

;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

--- Tiberius Ambrosius Silvus <xwood@usa.net> wrote:
> If there is anyone out there who could legitimately
> trace his
> ancestry back to ancient Rome, they should put it on
> the internet for
> all to see! It would be so fascinating, to trace
> back their line from
> today through the ages to antiquity. I can only
> trace my ancestry on
> my father's side back 5 or 6 generations, but on my
> mother's side we
> can go back to two brothers who came to Canada from
> France as
> voyageurs in the late 17th century. Now if someone
> in France who
> can trace their ancestry back to Caesar, and they
> turn out to be my
> 69th cousin... well wouldn't that be interesting?
>
> Ti. Ambrosius Silvus
>
>

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:38:49 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,
In Case this little troll isn't allready on modarated
status, I have set up a mail filter that directs his
posts to a place that fits the content, the trash bin.

I Would suggest that the remainder of Nova Roma's
citizens do the same instead of giving him the
attention he craves by replying to his posts.

Please don't feed the trolls.
They will get bored and go elsewhere if they are
ignored.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Non-English Posts
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:42:22 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@y...>
wrote:
> Lalve, Luci Avisi Seneca--
>
> Entirely true; this list is supposed to be in English.
> Unfortunately, I don't speak German, so I am unable
> to write to Mssr. Rullianus to tell him so. Would it
> be possible for someone who does speak German to
> please inform Mssr. Rullianus of the list rules?
>
> I would greatly appreciate that.
>
> ---
> Renata Corva
> Scriba Praetoris
>

Salve Renata,

I did inform him in my posting, but his response to that was along
the lines of (very loosely translated): "If I could speak English,
you stupid M......, I would do it. Don't you get it sissy boy that I
only speak German?"

What more can I say, beside the fact that I don't think he is a
proper troll (but not droll either ;-))?

Marcus Marcius Rex


Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20=5BNova=2DRoma=5D=20Re=3A=20NOT=20translation=20into=20English=20=28=F6ffentliche=20anschuldigung=20zur=FCck=20gewiesen=29?=
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:42:41 +0200

Salve,

>That is good to know. On this side of the ocean we are a mixed bag of
>cultures and its a big task to trace things both here and in Europe.

I know!! My uncle traces our family and only a few months ago, he found
another branch in the US!! We didn't know about that, until some lady by
chance tried to find her family in Switzerland!!

>Are these people who would be in the Vatican records more or less big
>prominant families or former aristocrats down through the ages?

Mostly former aristocrats and big families, yes!! There is also a small
unwritten rule in Rome that you can only call yourself a true citizen of
the city Rome, if your family lived there for at least 9 generations!!!
Only then can you truly call yourself a Roman citizen and there are legal
documents to supply proof, etc.

Cura ut valeas,

Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: öffentliche anschuldigung zurück gewiesen.
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:51:19 -0500 (CDT)

Salve, Marce Marci Rex.

The Censors will discuss about a nota. You´ll hear from us.

Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@aol.com>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Senden: 03:57
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: öffentliche anschuldigung zurück gewiesen.

Werte Zensoren,

Ist im Falle dieses Buergers das notwendige Alter um Buerger Nova
Romas zu werden, ueberprueft worden? Gemessen an seinen Texten wuerde
ich eine Reife von deutlich weniger als 18 Jahren annehmen.

Im uebrigen beantrage ich oeffentlich die Erteilung einer zensorialen
Nota als Strafe gegen Quintus Fabius Rullianus. Die voellig
unprovozierte Verwendung von Begriffen wie "verschissene
Unterhose", "nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen" und
aehnliches
erfuellen aus meiner Sicht die Vorausetzungen in Artikel IV.A.1.f.
der Verfassung. Nicht, dass ich mich besonders getroffen fuehle, aber
eine derartige Sprache sollte nun doch nicht unbedingt auf der
Hauptliste die Norm sein.

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex

English Translation:

Dear Censors

Has it been checked in the case of this citizen, whether he has
reached the necessary age to become a Nova Roman citizen? Judging by
his postings, I would assume a maturity of clearly less than 18 years.

In addition I move publicly to issue a censorial nota as punishment
against Quintus Fabius Rullianus. The completely unprovoked use of
words like "verschissene Unterhose", "nicht in meinen Arsch,
sondern
in Deinen" and similar expressions in my view fulfill the
requirements set out in Article IV.A.1.f. of the Constitution. Not
that I feel particularly hurt, but language like this should not
necessarily be the norm on the mainlist.

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex

--- In Nova-Roma@y...,
"Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@s...>
wrote:
> Der, der mir Geschrieben hat, das er es
> für eine Frechheit hält. Das ich nicht in
> Englisch schreibe ist ein Idiot.
> Da ich kein Englisch schreibe,und zu
> wenig verstehe. Sonst würde ich klar
> auf Englisch Schreiben. Verstanden
> klar, oder muss Mami Dir noch der
> Gute, Nacht Kuss geben mit einem
> Schoppen. Lege Dich nie, mit einem
> echtem Römer Geschlecht der Fabier
> an. Es könnte für Dich, das Ende bedeuten. Klar schaue Für deine
Verschiessenen Unterhosen, und Provoziere nicht Leute, die dann noch
> Jäzornig sind. Es könnte dann der
> Schuss nach hinten abgefeuert werden.
> Nicht in meinen Arsch, sondern in Deinen.
>
> Salve Quintus Fabius Rullianus
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lineage
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:02:43 +0200

Salvete omnes,

Officially, my uncle has traced and proven the lineage of our family until
around 1400. The rest is just imagination and lots of small tids and bits
of writing and some linguists who say that it is possible and maybe we could
be correct.

If you are interested, I will send you the lineage of the Gens Annaea, which
again was researched using the 'CIL' and the 'ANRW' and the 'RE'.

This part of the lineage can again be prooven, but the link between the
two parts is so weak, and only based on 'maybe' and 'could be possible'
that it is fun to speculate, but not very scientific.

Curate ut valeatis,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] WL: Glaucia
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:06:50 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete,

if anybody is able to help this gentleman, please answer to him directly.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Colin Jackson <yalevale@corplink.com.au>
An: censors@novaroma.org
Senden: 11.09.2002
Betreff: Glaucia

Could you please tell me everything you know about
the name Glaucia? Thankyou


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Appointment of a Scriba in the Sodalitas Egressus
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:18:21 -0000

AVETE CIVES NOVAROMANI

As you already know from reading his oath of office, I appointed
Quintus Lanius Paulinus my Scriba for North Africa in the Sodalitas
Egressus.

It is his first office in our Res Publica, and I believe he deserved
it, given the willingness and dedication he showed in working with me.
I carefully took this decision after observing his attitude in
working, and I think that Q. Lanius Paulinus will keep the good job
he is already doing for the Sodalitas Egressus.

As I offered him this position, I also proposed him to send the oath
of office, even though it is not required for this appointment: I
believe it is a sign of loyalty toward Nova Roma and its people, and
it also make everybody know wich duties and responsabilities an
individual is undertaking.
However, I want to clarify that Q.Lanius Paulinus hasn't been forced
to send this oath.

You all will see and appreaciate the results of what also is his work.

BENE VALETE OMNES
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
-----------------------------
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
-----------------------------
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-----------------------------
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 04:41:54 EDT

Salvete

For the time being I suggest Q. Fabius Rullianus be put on moderated status,
and his posts sent to me until I can teach him courtesy <sigh>. I usually
write to him in Italian, since that is more his language, then German. He
likes colorful phrases that do not translate well into German.

The biggest problem is he can claims he can trace his family back to the
Fabius Maximus. So when he discovered that A. the Fabius who was head of
household was German,
B. He lives in California, it was an insult of major proportions. Since
then, he wants to start his own Nova Roma since the current one is such an
insult to his ancient gens.
Next being of Patrician status, he demands his traditional seat on the
Senate, and he wishes all of your reverence.
His attitude is "Look, I'm the only true Roman among you, so you should be
worshiping me."
So yes, we have some problems. Still how could I pass up a genuine Fabius in
Gens Fabia?
After all this is what NR is all about. A touchstone to the past.
As for his claims I am checking them out. I have his family names and I've
started a trace, but just started. I have gotten back as far as the 16th
Century, but that's all.
If he is lying, then too bad, but he believes his lies very fervently, so
perhaps they aren't lies after all.
For the time being, I'd suggest putting him on moderated status.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Appointment of a Scriba in the Sodalitas Egressus
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:48:37 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Honored Manius Constantinus Serapio et Omnes,

Welcome aboard the Egressus to Quintus Lanius Paulinus.
North Africa is an important place for Rome and sure there is much to do
there!!
I am looking forward working with him.

Vale,

--- Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it> wrote:
> AVETE CIVES NOVAROMANI
>
> As you already know from reading his oath of office, I appointed
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus my Scriba for North Africa in the Sodalitas
> Egressus.
>
> It is his first office in our Res Publica, and I believe he deserved
> it, given the willingness and dedication he showed in working with me.
> I carefully took this decision after observing his attitude in
> working, and I think that Q. Lanius Paulinus will keep the good job
> he is already doing for the Sodalitas Egressus.
>
> As I offered him this position, I also proposed him to send the oath
> of office, even though it is not required for this appointment: I
> believe it is a sign of loyalty toward Nova Roma and its people, and
> it also make everybody know wich duties and responsabilities an
> individual is undertaking.
> However, I want to clarify that Q.Lanius Paulinus hasn't been forced
> to send this oath.
>
> You all will see and appreaciate the results of what also is his work.
>
> BENE VALETE OMNES
> Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
> -----------------------------
> Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
> Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
> Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
> -----------------------------
> PROVINCIA ITALIA
> http://italia.novaroma.org
> -----------------------------
> ADMINISTRATIO AEDILIS PLEBIS CICATRICIS
> http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix.html
>
>

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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
French Translator

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:30:50 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete,

It is an intresting claim, and I would love to see
someone who could prove real Patracian decent in Nova
Roma, though there are a couple of things to consider.

A. Even if he could trace his linage to someone named
Fabius who lived in Antiquita, if does not mean that
they were Patrician. A Slave who was freed by a member
of Gens Fabia or a forigener who aquired citizenship
with the aid of a member of Fabia would have become a
member of a Plebian family in Gens Fabia. These
Fabians were not as famous as the Patricians, but were
undoubtably far more of them.

B. The Custom of a family having a seat in the Senate
did not mean that every member of that family held a
seat. It meant that the Paterfamilis was entitled to a
seat, and allthough for better or worse we don't
follow that tradition as a rule, in the sace of Fabia
the Paterfamilis is indeed a member of the Senate. The
"Fabian Family" seat is currently filled, so like any
filiis of Antiquita he can wait, or earn a seat on his
own merits.

Perhaps Fabius Rullianus is just amazingly rude
instead of intending to be a troll. Being Monolingual
I can't read his original posts, but the translations
read more like they were written by a member of the
Ahenobarbia of antiquita than the Fabia of the
republic. Real Patricians didn't have to act like
Snobs. That is something the more insecure Plebian
Nobles were famous for.

Rude or Troll, There is little point in citizens
engaging in flame wars with people who make these
kinds of posts. It only encourages them and does
little for the diginitas of the original poster or
those who reply.

--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete
>
> For the time being I suggest Q. Fabius Rullianus be
> put on moderated status,
> and his posts sent to me until I can teach him
> courtesy <sigh>. I usually
> write to him in Italian, since that is more his
> language, then German. He
> likes colorful phrases that do not translate well
> into German.
>
> The biggest problem is he can claims he can trace
> his family back to the
> Fabius Maximus. So when he discovered that A. the
> Fabius who was head of
> household was German,
> B. He lives in California, it was an insult of major
> proportions. Since
> then, he wants to start his own Nova Roma since the
> current one is such an
> insult to his ancient gens.
> Next being of Patrician status, he demands his
> traditional seat on the
> Senate, and he wishes all of your reverence.
> His attitude is "Look, I'm the only true Roman among
> you, so you should be
> worshiping me."
> So yes, we have some problems. Still how could I
> pass up a genuine Fabius in
> Gens Fabia?
> After all this is what NR is all about. A
> touchstone to the past.
> As for his claims I am checking them out. I have
> his family names and I've
> started a trace, but just started. I have gotten
> back as far as the 16th
> Century, but that's all.
> If he is lying, then too bad, but he believes his
> lies very fervently, so
> perhaps they aren't lies after all.
> For the time being, I'd suggest putting him on
> moderated status.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

=====
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(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Polybius
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:41:03 -0000

AVETE OMNES

I need an english translation of the first book of the Histories by
Polybius.
Does anybody know were I can find it on the internet?

Thank you very much.

BENE VALETE
Manius Constantinvs Serapio
Legatvs Externis Rebuvs Provinciae Italiae
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
--------------------------------
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] one man's merda is another's manure
From:	Nurmi Husa <polymath@pacifier.com>
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:33:53 -0700

AVE!

At the risk of not sounding offended enough, I have to admit I was
rather entertained by rude remarks recently posted here in German.

Have you ever noticed how interesting expletives can be in a language
that is not your own? Each culture has such a different approach to
what constitutes Filthy Language. The Germans seem obsessed with
solid bodily waste and all that attaches thereto. The Italians are
intrigued with female relations and their body parts. The French
broaden the German obsession with bodily waste and, like the Italians
also concern themselves with female relations - actually, relations
of all sorts. Even those that involve insects. The Spanish are
delightfully poetic - as are the Arabs - which is perhaps where they
acquired the trait? It's almost a honor to be on dressed down by
them. I must confess that two of my favorite obscenities are Spanish!

Americans, on the other hand, are exceedingly unimaginative when it
comes to insults - except for African Americans who are really the
only seriously creative contributors to the broadening our language,
period. Most American "slang" - and if the quirites will permit the
word, most of the "color" in our language - comes thanks to their
limitless creativity. Bravo to them! For as racist a society as we
are - and we are extremely racist - when it comes to our language
(and our music), white America is muchly beholden to our bruthahs and
sistahs.

A study of Roman history will reflect the same conclusions, I
believe. The diverse and multi-cultural "underclass" of slaves and
freedmen are what made Rome such a force to be reckoned with. Like
contemporary Western culture, Rome sucked in and assimilated a wide
variety of other cultures and was transformed by that act. What is
more American than eating pizza, sushi, tacos, and humus - at least
in the larger cities? What is more Roman than assimilating Egyptian
medicine, Greek literature, Keltic and German arms, Chinese silk,
African fauna, etc., etc., etc.!

Sorry, I've rambled. I tend to do that.

Don't shut out other languages - even the naughtier bits - from the
discussion here. Encourage them to be translated (which they seem to
be until they unwisely insult their translator!). We are all enriched
by the exchange!

VALETE!

*n*

nurmi husa
a.k.a. Gn. Mallius Occho Saturninus (pending review by our venerable
Censors - tap, tap, tap...)


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] one man's merda is another's manure
From:	"M. Octavius Solaris" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:47:27 +0200

Salve Gnae Malli,

Well, if I can add to the "pile" (hum) so to speak, Dutch has a long
tradition of concerning itself with the damnation of God and invoking
illnesses (mainly the plague, cholera and tyfus) upon the hated subject. By
the way, the first reported case where "the oedipal word" (sorry, some kids
might be reading this, but some contextual guesswork will get you to the
right conjecture) was used, was by a Greek. Gotta love'em, those ancients
;).

Vale bene,
Solaris


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The word of an interpreter
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:15:45 -0300 (ART)

Salve,

Regarding the silly posts of Fabius Rulianus, a word of an interpreter.

By lex Cornelia de Linguis Publicis, we can write in any language, just putting the english translation, our common language by use, like or not. If not, we will transform that list on the Babel Tower.

The interpreters have not obligation to translate INTO ENGLISH, but from ENGLISH INTO the mother languages, a tiring job. We already have lots and lots of work to do on Nova Roma documents and website. It will be a great displeasure for me if someone writes silly posts on portuguese on the main list. First, because the posts will be more a test of my habilities than desire of comunication (do not abuse of my muse!). Second, because it hurts the image of my mother language, sacred honor that I please most of all...

Tiberius Annaeu Otho, my colleague condecurione and personal friend, is a hero by spending so many attention to Rulianus, and I warned him about it, but no one can stop his good-will to serve NR.

Ancestors? I have also my ancestors from the roman-visigotic nobility of the kingdom of Asturias, but this memory most accuses me of my stupid life than helps me in anything. And I´most displeased to see the bad uses of the terms of roman catolicism ont he posts, he must respect it by the Constitution of Nova Roma, if he doesn´t fear the gods.

In this upset conclusion, there is a saying: ' If you don´t have something good to say, don´t say' . The word if made of silver, the silence of gold... Rulianus, do not abuse the nobility of the german language, testimony of so many human accomplishments, to mock us all.

Tacet...

Vale bene in pacem deorum...

L. Arminius Faustus

Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.

Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)

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Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Polybius
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:24:25 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
<mcserapio@y...> wrote:
> AVETE OMNES
>
> I need an english translation of the first book of the Histories
by
> Polybius.
> Does anybody know were I can find it on the internet?
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> BENE VALETE
> Manius Constantinvs Serapio
> Legatvs Externis Rebuvs Provinciae Italiae
> Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
> Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis

Salve,

Try this:

http://www.princeton.edu/~champlin/cla218/polybi.htm

Which is a link from here:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook09.html#Rome:%20Major%
20Historians:%20Complete%20Texts

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] NRLand Project / Sodalitas Egressus
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:27:30 -0400 (EDT)

Ladies and Gentlemen;

Having recieved some very encouraing remarks regarding the movement of
the NR Land Projectt onto the Sodalitas Egressus, I propose the
following:
=====================
NR LAND PROJECT PROPOSAL:

--Immediately establish an NR Land Project Department within the
Sodalitas Egressus;

(Advantage:
---the Sodalitas is already established;
---Efforts of the new proposed Department can begin
immediately);

--Select from those who are interested, a Department Head and Staff
consisting, at the start, of four positions:

--Land Acquistion;

--Finance;

--Design;

--Construction;

--Research.

(Advantage:
---Utilize present ideas extent, as well as the the ideas
contained in the archives)

--Once this Staff is established determine a set of goals relating to
the determination of a site for Nova Roma, such as:

--Location;

--Site Requirements;

--Site Plan / Development;

--Province Involvement.

(Advantage:
---turn the present discussion into an
effective organization to carefully consider both new and old
ideas about the Land Project, and come to a concurrance on
the direction of our effort)

--Having established reasonable and quantified goals, proceed toward
these goals, while at the same time offering to both new and old
citizens the opprtunity to join Eggressus / NR Land Project, and take a
position in the new Department.

(Advantage:
--Move ahead immediately with a set of goals
directed at providing to the Senate a set of procedures and
proposals regarding the Land Project;

--Provide to those interested in the Land Project not
only a discussion list but a means by which thier ideas,
comments and suggestions may be a part of this effort.)
===========================

If this proposal to those interested in the NR Land Project, is
acceptable, I am willing to immediately establish such a department
within the Sodalitas Egressus, and begin selection of the Staff.

Please provide me with your responses to this message within the next
few days so that I may have your feelings on this proposal.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Tribunes
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:05:57 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

I have an open question(s) today regarding the ancient office of
Tribune.
There seems to be a civilian type of Tribune and a military type of
Tribune that I observed from watching Roman movies. Question 1) Did a
military Tribune have the same senatorial posting in Rome when his
work was done with the army? 2) Similarily was a civilian Tribune
sent over to a military post in times of war? 3)As Tribune in the
army, what kind of power did the Tribune have? eg: supreme legion
commander or figure head only? Thank you all!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The word of an interpreter
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:41:33 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, L. Armini Fauste.

--- Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> wrote:

<<snipped>>

> Ancestors? I have also my ancestors from the roman-visigotic nobility
> of the kingdom of Asturias, but this memory most accuses me of my
> stupid life than helps me in anything.

Ah, another cousin :-).

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribunes
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:44:27 US/Central

Salve Quinte Lani

> There seems to be a civilian type of Tribune and a military type of
> Tribune that I observed from watching Roman movies. Question 1) Did a
> military Tribune have the same senatorial posting in Rome when his
> work was done with the army?

No, a tribunus militum did not have the same role in the Senate that a tribunus
plebis had. See the answer to 3 below.

> 2) Similarily was a civilian Tribune sent over to a military post in
> times of war?

No. The tribuni plebis didn't hold a military magistracy, and never commanded
troops in their capacity as a tribunus plebis. Indeed, the tribunicia potestas
(the official power and authority of the tribuni plebis) only extended as far
as one mile outside the gates of Rome. Outside of that radius, they were
simply ordinary cives.

> 3)As Tribune in the army, what kind of power did the Tribune have? eg:
> supreme legion commander or figure head only?

I'm much less conversant with the tribuni militum than with the tribuni
plebis. It's my understanding that they were the chief officers of a legio.
Either four or six of them commanded a given legio under the authority of a
consul or a legatus. Some of them were elected by the people, and some were
appointed by a consul. As far as I know, tribuni militum were generally not
Senatores.

There was another kind of triibunus militum. When the plebs were fighting to
be able to be elected as consules, the patricians went through a number of
motions to blunt that effort. One of these motions was to create special
tribuni militum that had the authority of a consul, but not the dignity of the
office. Two, three, or rarely four tribuni militum were elected by the Comitia
Centuriata instead of consules when the people so desired. Since they were
essentially consules by another name, these tribuni militum actually led the
Senate.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] re: Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	Arnamentia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT)

I agree. He will soon tire of the discussion, or lack
of discussion, and move on.

Arnamentia Aurelia

>Salve,
>In Case this little troll isn't allready on modarated
>status, I have set up a mail filter that directs his
>posts to a place that fits the content, the trash
bin.

>I Would suggest that the remainder of Nova Roma's
>citizens do the same instead of giving him the
>attention he craves by replying to his posts.

>Please don't feed the trolls.
>They will get bored and go elsewhere if they are
>ignored.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Lineage
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:01:17 -0000

Hm. Well, my maiden name is Gaudiano, and my father's family hails
from Sicilia, from a town in the mountains called Bisaquino, I
think. It even has a Via Gaudiano in the town, according to my
uncle, who went there once.

I'd hesitate to claim patrician Roman lineage, though. I don't think
our family records go back quite that far. (g) Still, my name does
have a Latin root.

---
Renata Corva, aka Chantal R. Gaudiano
Hoping someday to found gens Gaudiana


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Tribunes
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:50:18 -0000

Salve T.Labiene Fortunate,

I greatly appreciate your time in answering my questions. This clears
up my mind now and I will put your data in my files.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., labienus@t... wrote:
> Salve Quinte Lani
>
> > There seems to be a civilian type of Tribune and a military type
of
> > Tribune that I observed from watching Roman movies. Question 1)
Did a
> > military Tribune have the same senatorial posting in Rome when
his
> > work was done with the army?
>
> No, a tribunus militum did not have the same role in the Senate
that a tribunus
> plebis had. See the answer to 3 below.
>
> > 2) Similarily was a civilian Tribune sent over to a military post
in
> > times of war?
>
> No. The tribuni plebis didn't hold a military magistracy, and
never commanded
> troops in their capacity as a tribunus plebis. Indeed, the
tribunicia potestas
> (the official power and authority of the tribuni plebis) only
extended as far
> as one mile outside the gates of Rome. Outside of that radius,
they were
> simply ordinary cives.
>
> > 3)As Tribune in the army, what kind of power did the Tribune
have? eg:
> > supreme legion commander or figure head only?
>
> I'm much less conversant with the tribuni militum than with the
tribuni
> plebis. It's my understanding that they were the chief officers of
a legio.
> Either four or six of them commanded a given legio under the
authority of a
> consul or a legatus. Some of them were elected by the people, and
some were
> appointed by a consul. As far as I know, tribuni militum were
generally not
> Senatores.
>
> There was another kind of triibunus militum. When the plebs were
fighting to
> be able to be elected as consules, the patricians went through a
number of
> motions to blunt that effort. One of these motions was to create
special
> tribuni militum that had the authority of a consul, but not the
dignity of the
> office. Two, three, or rarely four tribuni militum were elected by
the Comitia
> Centuriata instead of consules when the people so desired. Since
they were
> essentially consules by another name, these tribuni militum
actually led the
> Senate.
>
> Vale
> T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:15:51 -0000

-Salvete Arnamentia Aurelia et omnes,

I guess many of us including myself have been guilty at one time or
another of gossip or criticizing other people or organizations.
Speaking for myself, this situation usually occurs when one does not
have enough things to do with his time. The best cure is to keep
busy. Egressus and its sub groups are always looking for good people
for endless research and outreach. Perhaps his time might be better
spent giving us some help. I do not see much information anywhere on
Roman Switzerland for example. I am sure the senior administrators in
Egressus would give him a chance at this when his attitude changes.
Who wouldn't want the honour to be Senator or Consul right away? In
my case I would not know what the heck I was doing at this point;
especially when I did not know the difference in Tribunes (grin)
>
Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> I agree. He will soon tire of the discussion, or lack
> of discussion, and move on.
>
> Arnamentia Aurelia
>
>
>
> >Salve,
> >In Case this little troll isn't allready on modarated
> >status, I have set up a mail filter that directs his
> >posts to a place that fits the content, the trash
> bin.
>
> >I Would suggest that the remainder of Nova Roma's
> >citizens do the same instead of giving him the
> >attention he craves by replying to his posts.
>
> >Please don't feed the trolls.
> >They will get bored and go elsewhere if they are
> >ignored.
>
>
> =====
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>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: a candle for all...
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:36:04 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> I want to light a virtual candle remembering the deads of the WTC
and I hope
> all the Nova Romans will do it.
>
> However I would like that you light a candle not only for the
American
> victims of the 11 September, but for the peace in the world.
> Please, light a candle for the Afghanistan victims, for the Iraqi
people
> under the bombs, for the palestinian deads, for the israelian
citizens in
> the pubs of Jerusalem, for all the innocent victims of the war, dead
> beacause another man have decided it.
> Please, light a fire for a world of peace without war and
violence ....

I think that this is fitting to light a candle for world peace, not
just on 9/11 but everyday. While the attacks occured on American
soil with America as the primary target, people from 86 nations lost
their lives, making it an attack on the entire civilized world.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:02:10 +0200

Sie Wissen selbst nicht, was sie da
plappern, Ich bin ein echter Römer
aus einer alt Römischen Patrizier
Familie. Sie sind nur ein möchte gern,
Römer der mir seine frustration zeigen
will. Ein Plebs ohne Gehirn, wenn sie
es wollen darauf eingehen lassen, werde ich mehr macht besitzen als sie.
Und hören sie auf fremde zu beleidigen,
sonst werden sie zu spüren, bekommen
Adelige Römer zu Kritisieren. Sie wissen nicht auf was für ein Gefährlicher Gegner sie gestossen sind.
Sie kennen echte Römische Rache sucht oder wollen sie dies Abenteuer
ausprobieren. Wenn sie eine Freche
Röhre haben wollen, dann will ich
zuerst der möchte gern Römer, verschwinden lassen, und dein wahres
Arschgesicht sehen. Wer bist du, was
für Vorfahren hast du. Sonst halte deine
Klappe. Möchte gern Adeliger. Da lache
ich mich zu Tode. Willst du nich dein
Mut beweisen, in einen Zweikampf auf
Ehre und Tod. Ein wahrer Römer,der
würde es annehmen. So bist du jetzt noch ein Römer, oder ein Barbaren trottel. Alles in mir ist Echt, auch die
Römische Grausamkeit, der Krieger
und Gewinner, so oder so . Und jetzt
kein Wort mehr über meine Ehre und
Familien Ehre sonst ai Kill you.

SPQR.IMP. FABIA. SENATVS.ROMANUM.

----- Original Message -----
From: L. Sicinius Drusus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus

Salvete,

It is an intresting claim, and I would love to see
someone who could prove real Patracian decent in Nova
Roma, though there are a couple of things to consider.

A. Even if he could trace his linage to someone named
Fabius who lived in Antiquita, if does not mean that
they were Patrician. A Slave who was freed by a member
of Gens Fabia or a forigener who aquired citizenship
with the aid of a member of Fabia would have become a
member of a Plebian family in Gens Fabia. These
Fabians were not as famous as the Patricians, but were
undoubtably far more of them.

B. The Custom of a family having a seat in the Senate
did not mean that every member of that family held a
seat. It meant that the Paterfamilis was entitled to a
seat, and allthough for better or worse we don't
follow that tradition as a rule, in the sace of Fabia
the Paterfamilis is indeed a member of the Senate. The
"Fabian Family" seat is currently filled, so like any
filiis of Antiquita he can wait, or earn a seat on his
own merits.

Perhaps Fabius Rullianus is just amazingly rude
instead of intending to be a troll. Being Monolingual
I can't read his original posts, but the translations
read more like they were written by a member of the
Ahenobarbia of antiquita than the Fabia of the
republic. Real Patricians didn't have to act like
Snobs. That is something the more insecure Plebian
Nobles were famous for.

Rude or Troll, There is little point in citizens
engaging in flame wars with people who make these
kinds of posts. It only encourages them and does
little for the diginitas of the original poster or
those who reply.

--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete
>
> For the time being I suggest Q. Fabius Rullianus be
> put on moderated status,
> and his posts sent to me until I can teach him
> courtesy <sigh>. I usually
> write to him in Italian, since that is more his
> language, then German. He
> likes colorful phrases that do not translate well
> into German.
>
> The biggest problem is he can claims he can trace
> his family back to the
> Fabius Maximus. So when he discovered that A. the
> Fabius who was head of
> household was German,
> B. He lives in California, it was an insult of major
> proportions. Since
> then, he wants to start his own Nova Roma since the
> current one is such an
> insult to his ancient gens.
> Next being of Patrician status, he demands his
> traditional seat on the
> Senate, and he wishes all of your reverence.
> His attitude is "Look, I'm the only true Roman among
> you, so you should be
> worshiping me."
> So yes, we have some problems. Still how could I
> pass up a genuine Fabius in
> Gens Fabia?
> After all this is what NR is all about. A
> touchstone to the past.
> As for his claims I am checking them out. I have
> his family names and I've
> started a trace, but just started. I have gotten
> back as far as the 16th
> Century, but that's all.
> If he is lying, then too bad, but he believes his
> lies very fervently, so
> perhaps they aren't lies after all.
> For the time being, I'd suggest putting him on
> moderated status.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"M. Octavius Solaris" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:17:39 +0200

Salve,

Bevor Sie sich mit vielem Stolz einen Römer nennen, lernen Sie erst richtig
Latein. Und... wieso Familie? Denkest du wirklich das "Nobilitas" etwas
erbliches ist? Bitte hören Sie auf, Sie selber lächerlich zu machen.

Before you call yourself a Roman with a lot of pride, learn Latin. And...
what family? Do you really think that nobility is something inheritable?
Please stop making a fool out of yourself.

Vale bene,
M. Octavius Solaris


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"Paul Kershaw" <brighn@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:15:40 -0400

"Und jetzt
kein Wort mehr über meine Ehre und
Familien Ehre sonst ai Kill you."

Salvete omnibus,

With due respect to the Moderators on this list, but this is now going from trolling to an obvious violation of Yahoo!'s TOS, and possibly into legal waters. Is there nothing to be done about this individual?

(Translation: "And now, no more comments about my honor, or that of my family, or I'll kill you." [last three words in English])

-- Festus, just a lowly citizen, getting tired of the hostility

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:36:44 -0500 (CDT)

> (Translation: "And now, no more comments about my honor, or that of my
> family, or I'll kill you." [last three words in English])
>
> -- Festus, just a lowly citizen, getting tired of the hostility

Thanks for the translation (and thanks to Tiberius Annaeus for the
previous translations).

I think we have had more than enough of Quintus Fabius Rutilianus.
>From the beginning, he has done nothing but demand honors he does
not deserve, and threaten anyone who dares to question or admonish
him.

I ask the Praetores to restrict his future postings. The Censores are
considering a Nota against this individual as well; I now think that
that is an appropriate action.

Rutilianus, we have been patient with you, but your illegal threats
will not be tolerated here. You have disgraced your family name.
Go and found your Empire somewhere else; I don't think you'll find
anyone who considers you a worthy leader, but anything is possible.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] On Old Lineages
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:44:05 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites.

I would like to add a few comments about old lineages. I think they are
pretty commonsensical; but since no one else seems to have thought
this, I am, with all respect, presenting a different perspective. I
sincerely hope that no one feels offended by what I am going to say.

How can we know who are our ancestors?
We can trace back our genealogical tree through public records of
births, of course. That seems to be the logical procedure.

However, that line of study presents a problem. In Western Europe,
records of birth and defunction are systematically kept by the State
(since the late 18th century, more or less). Before that, records were
kept by local Christian churches. But the records kept by those
churches are often not too accurate, and in most cases, no records
prior to the 15th century can be found (very often such records were
not even created before that century).

So you can reasonably expect to trace your family tree back to the 15th
century, more or less. There are a few exceptions, of course. Important
noble families could, in theory, be able to trace their lineages a few
centuries further. Surprisingly, most of our current nobility are not
that old; hardly all modern European aristocrats have lineages that do
not go beyond the year 1000 A.D. (most of them do not go beyond the
14th century, in fact). The royal families of Europe themselves do not
go much further: the 10th century for the French royal family, the 8th
century for the Spanish royal family and the 7th century for the
British royal family.

That brings us to another interesting question: where do *we* come
from? I would like to present a little mathematical study, with your
permission.

We all have two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents
and sixteen great-great-grandparents. All those who have a slant
knowledge of mathematical successions will immediately recognize this a
a succession of the form 2^n, where n stands for the number of
generations between us and a certain group of ancestors.

We can accept that a new generation appears every 25 years, more or
less. That would give us four generations per century.

How many ancestors does each one of us have if we trace back the
succession to the year 1000 A.D.? It's a simple calculation: 1,000
years are equal to ten centuries, that would give us forty generations,
according to what we said before. The total number of our ancestors is
2^40 (over 1,000,000,000,000 - one billion - ancestors). If we go
further back 1,000 years to the age of Augustus, maths tell us that we
have 2^80 (over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ancestors).

Those numbers are, simply put, *huge*. In fact, they go far beyond the
total human population at that time. How is it possible to have more
ancestors than human beings at a certain time? Simple. Many of our
ancestors are our ancestors through several branches. If you consider
that most of the ancestors of modern Europeans and Americans come from
the Europe of the year 1,000 (which had less than 50 million
inhabitants), you will agree with me that we are basically the
descendants of hardly *all* the people that lived in Western Europe in
the year 1000 A.D.

This all means, among other things, that most of us (if not *all* of
us) have Roman ancestors. The percentage of our Roman genetical
heritage may vary from person to person, but most of us are related to
the people of Rome.

That means that we are Romans, after all :-).

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLand Project / Sodalitas Egressus
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:45:27 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I don't have the kind of time I would like to spend on this issue.
Still I support my dear friend Illustrus Marcus Minucius Audens in
this task. Move the Land issue to the Egressus!

It has the advantage that there already is an established Sodalitas.
There is also another advantage: that Illustrus Marcus Minucius
Audens can't mention, but I can. ;-) Egressus has also a leader that
already has been very active in the Land issue and already have tried
to form a "Land policy" for Nova Roma. ;-)

>Having recieved some very encouraing remarks regarding the movement of
>the NR Land Projectt onto the Sodalitas Egressus, I propose the
>following:
>=====================
>NR LAND PROJECT PROPOSAL:
>
>--Immediately establish an NR Land Project Department within the
>Sodalitas Egressus;
>
> (Advantage:
> ---the Sodalitas is already established;
> ---Efforts of the new proposed Department can begin
>immediately);
>
>--Select from those who are interested, a Department Head and Staff
>consisting, at the start, of four positions:
>
> --Land Acquistion;
>
> --Finance;
>
> --Design;
>
> --Construction;
>
> --Research.
>
> (Advantage:
> ---Utilize present ideas extent, as well as the the ideas
>contained in the archives)
>
>--Once this Staff is established determine a set of goals relating to
>the determination of a site for Nova Roma, such as:
>
> --Location;
>
> --Site Requirements;
>
> --Site Plan / Development;
>
> --Province Involvement.
>
> (Advantage:
> ---turn the present discussion into an
>effective organization to carefully consider both new and old
>ideas about the Land Project, and come to a concurrance on
>the direction of our effort)
>
>--Having established reasonable and quantified goals, proceed toward
>these goals, while at the same time offering to both new and old
>citizens the opprtunity to join Eggressus / NR Land Project, and take a
>position in the new Department.
>
> (Advantage:
> --Move ahead immediately with a set of goals
>directed at providing to the Senate a set of procedures and
>proposals regarding the Land Project;
>
> --Provide to those interested in the Land Project not
>only a discussion list but a means by which thier ideas,
>comments and suggestions may be a part of this effort.)
>===========================
>
>If this proposal to those interested in the NR Land Project, is
>acceptable, I am willing to immediately establish such a department
>within the Sodalitas Egressus, and begin selection of the Staff.
>
>Please provide me with your responses to this message within the next
>few days so that I may have your feelings on this proposal.
>
>Respectfully;
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Vale

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Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tribunes
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:56:51 EDT

Salvete.
Military Tribunes had their start in the Monarchy.
The first legio (levy) was likely 1000 heavy armed (hoplites,) with the rest
being light armed.
These were commanded by the king in time of war.
As the Roman army grew, the division of command grew with it. It is easy to
lead a 1000 men unit, harder to lead 3000 which is what Livius says the Roman
army was by the time of Servius. The phalanx was divided into three, 1000
men units (Greek Chillarchies who they were modeled after) further divided
into 10 centuries per Chillarchy. Each century were recruited in a Roman
curia, and this made up a voting block in the general assembly. (However they
really didn't have a say in the state affairs until the republic.)
We don't know the Latin name for each of the three units, Haynes suggested
cohors, but that is a Oscan definition later adopted by the army. Livius is
very careful to use the term Cohors when referring only to the Southern
Socii. He uses centuries or manupulii when referring to the Romans or
Etruscans.
Each unit was 12 ranks deep, with the persons having the most wealth in the
front since they could afford the armor of the hoplite, while succeeding
ranks, were lighter. The Vth class did not form at all, they were retained
to be the light armed.
Each of the three units had a commander, and these Livius calls Tribunes. We
call them military tribunes to distinguish them from the Plebeian office.
They came from first class or second class families and were Patricians.
As the army grew so did the need for officers, by the time the manipular
legio had reached its full theoretical strength of 5000, (4200 men, 300
horse, the rest officers and supernumeraries) the Tribunes grew to number
six. Five retained control of the five 1000 man divisions the sixth the
senior, commanded the legio. It is also possible that the command rotated,
Varro mentions this, but by the time of Pyrrhos, (280s) it had been
abandoned.
Legatii came about in the later Republic, and were retained into the
Principate.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] On Old Lineages
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:00:24 EDT

In a message dated 9/12/02 2:45:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
salixastur@yahoo.es writes:

> Those numbers are, simply put, *huge*. In fact, they go far beyond the
> total human population at that time. How is it possible to have more
> ancestors than human beings at a certain time? Simple. Many of our
> ancestors are our ancestors through several branches. If you consider
> that most of the ancestors of modern Europeans and Americans come from
> the Europe of the year 1,000 (which had less than 50 million
> inhabitants), you will agree with me that we are basically the
> descendants of hardly *all* the people that lived in Western Europe in
> the year 1000 A.D.
>
> This all means, among other things, that most of us (if not *all* of
> us) have Roman ancestors. The percentage of our Roman genetical
> heritage may vary from person to person, but most of us are related to
> the people of Rome.
>
> That means that we are Romans, after all :-).
>
>
Salvete
Interesting. And well put.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] On Old Lineages
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:09:08 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Q. Fabi.

--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:

<<snipped>>

> Salvete
> Interesting. And well put.

Thank you, senator.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Tribunes
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:17:41 -0000

Savete Fabi Maxime,

Thank you very much for this information about military tribunes as
well. I greatly appreciate your time and effort in giving me this
information that I shall keep.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

> Salvete.
> Military Tribunes had their start in the Monarchy.
> The first legio (levy) was likely 1000 heavy armed (hoplites,) with
the rest
> being light armed.
> These were commanded by the king in time of war.
> As the Roman army grew, the division of command grew with it. It
is easy to
> lead a 1000 men unit, harder to lead 3000 which is what Livius says
the Roman
> army was by the time of Servius. The phalanx was divided into
three, 1000
> men units (Greek Chillarchies who they were modeled after) further
divided
> into 10 centuries per Chillarchy. Each century were recruited in a
Roman
> curia, and this made up a voting block in the general assembly.
(However they
> really didn't have a say in the state affairs until the republic.)
> We don't know the Latin name for each of the three units, Haynes
suggested
> cohors, but that is a Oscan definition later adopted by the army.
Livius is
> very careful to use the term Cohors when referring only to the
Southern
> Socii. He uses centuries or manupulii when referring to the Romans
or
> Etruscans.
> Each unit was 12 ranks deep, with the persons having the most
wealth in the
> front since they could afford the armor of the hoplite, while
succeeding
> ranks, were lighter. The Vth class did not form at all, they were
retained
> to be the light armed.
> Each of the three units had a commander, and these Livius calls
Tribunes. We
> call them military tribunes to distinguish them from the Plebeian
office.
> They came from first class or second class families and were
Patricians.
> As the army grew so did the need for officers, by the time the
manipular
> legio had reached its full theoretical strength of 5000, (4200 men,
300
> horse, the rest officers and supernumeraries) the Tribunes grew to
number
> six. Five retained control of the five 1000 man divisions the
sixth the
> senior, commanded the legio. It is also possible that the command
rotated,
> Varro mentions this, but by the time of Pyrrhos, (280s) it had been
> abandoned.
> Legatii came about in the later Republic, and were retained into
the
> Principate.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Translations / Decency
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:31:44 -0400 (EDT)

I support Translator Otho completely in his views. I see no need to
translate language of the sort that he refers to onto this list, from
any language be it German or Sanskrit. The translators in Nova Roma are
performing a service for the Republic, and in my view making the already
difficult task distasteful as well makes little sense.

I'm sure that there are those who find the study of foul language most
interesting, however I am not one of them, and apparently from the
comments on this topic there are others here who do not find such either
amusing or tasteful. I would appreciate it if those who need to study
such a topic and engage in such activities would be pleased to do such
in a Sodalitas or a List devoted to that pursuit. I do not agree that
the Nova Roma Main List is the place for that kind of material.

In a situation where a Digest of the Day's message on this Main List is
imperative to save Mail Box space the "Delete: button is no longer a
viable option.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"scott dolleck" <billgatesson@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:14:35 -0600

>
>Rutilianus, we have been patient with you, but your illegal threats
>will not be tolerated here. You have disgraced your family name.
>Go and found your Empire somewhere else; I don't think you'll find
>anyone who considers you a worthy leader, but anything is possible.
>
>Vale, Octavius.
>

I could not agree more!

Benne.

Lucius Avisius Seneca

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM X - COMITIA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE DE ELECTIONE LOCVTIONIS PROVINCIAE
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:40:56 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D:

EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM X
COMITIA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE DE ELECTIONE LOCVTIONIS PROVINCIAE
September 13, 2755

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

I. By this Edictum the Propraetor Italiae summons the Comitia, as written
in Edictum I - par. D. and so completing Edictum VI, to choose a
representative locution for Provincia Italia.

II. All Nova Romans citizens are invited to send their proposals not after
September 22 to sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus
Apulus Caesar] or sending to the NR-Italia mailing list of Provincia Italia
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nr_italia). Each citizen can send just one
proposal. If more, just before the beginning of the Comitia, he shall
communicate which one has to be chosen during the vote session.

III. The provincial locution will be a Latin or an Italian sentence. Who
suggests a locution shall send also the name of the author (either himself
or a famous author) and why it's been chosen. All the proposals shall be
published on http://italia.novaroma.org/motto.htm.

IV. The Comitia Provinciae Italiae are going to be kept since a.d. IX
Kalendas
Octobres (September 23) until a.d. III Kalendas Octobres 2755 (September 29,
2002) by Yahoo!!Polls service on Mailing list NR_italia Internet site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nr_italia or just sending an e-mail to
sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caesar] with subject
"Comitia - Nova Roman name". Only Nova Romans Italic citizens are allowed
to vote. All others will be discarded.

VI. The most voted proposal will be adopted by an Edictum Propraetoricium
just following the end of the pool. Had the votes be equal the Propraetor
shall use another way of selection upon his own choice, among all the most
voted locutions, so that a provincial sentence has to be chosen.

VII. This edictum has an immediate effect. Given on a.d. III Idus Iulias
MMDCCLV a.u.c. (September 13, 2002), in the year of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix's consulship.

VIII. This Edictum is approved by Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt).

---------------------------------
EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM X
COMITIA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE DE ELECTIONE LOCVTIONIS PROVINCIAE
13 Settembre 2755

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

I. Con questo Edictum il Propraetor indice i Comitia, come previsto
dall'Edictum I - par. D. e a integrazione dell'Edictum VI, per l'ideazione
del motto rappresentativo della Provincia Italia.

II. Tutti i cittadini nova romani sono invitati a presentare le proprie
proposte entro il 22 Settembre a sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus
Apulus Caesar] o tramite la mailing list NR-Italia della Provincia Italia
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nr_italia). Ogni cittadino può inviare
solamente una proposta. Nel caso inviasse più motti, prima dell'inizio dei
Comita dovrà indicare quale sarà oggetto di voto.

III. Il motto provinciale sarà composto da una frase in Latino o Italiano.
Il proponente dovrà inviare, oltre la frase, l'autore della stessa (egli
stesso o un personaggio illustre) e la spiegazione della scelta. Tutte le
proposte saranno pubblicate all'indirizzo
http://italia.novaroma.org/motto.htm .

IV. I Comitia Provinciae Italiae si svolgeranno nel periodo a.d. IX Kalendas
Octobres (23 Settembre) a a.d. III Kalendas Octobres 2755 (29 Settembre
2002) tramite il servizio di sondaggio Yahoo!! (polls) sul sito Internet
della mailing list NR_Italia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nr_italia oppure
tramite e-mail inviando il proprio parere all'indirizzo e-mail
sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caesar] con oggetto
"Comitia - nome nova romano". Possono votare esclusivamente i cittadini
italici di Nova Roma. Tutti gli altri voti non saranno presi in
considerazione.

VI. La proposta che riceverà il maggior numero di voti sarà adottata tramite
un Edictum Propraetoricium immediatamente successivo il sondaggio. A parità
di Voti il Propraetor adotterà un nuovo metodo di valutazione a propria
discrezione, tra le locuzioni che abbiano avuto il maggior numero di voti,
al fine di adottare la locuzione provinciale.

VII. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato il a.d. III Idus Iulias
MMDCCLV a.u.c. (13 Settembre 2002), nell'anno del consolato di Marcus
Octavius Germanicus e Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

VIII. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] waiting for races
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:17:30 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites, races' lovers and stakers, the day of the Ludi Circenes
are close!
Tomorrow, Praesina, Albata and the little Veneta will challenge the Russata
Army. Who will the winners?
In my country the 13 is not a lucky number, it's symbol of misfortune ...
Tomorrow is 13 September and the Russata have 13 players ... keep attenction
Reds, give prayers and sacrifices in honor of the Gods ...

Now I explain you how we calculate the results. They are not created by us,
but by a mathematical and casual system. The rules and algebrical
combinations have been created by Honorable Gnaeus Salix Galaicus and
Illustrus Caius Curius Saturninus have developed a race engine with
Shockwave, the famous "Saturninus Race System v1.0.1".
During the Ludi, I insert the name of the chariot and the tactics, the
engine gives me a result and Galaicus writes the histories. Easy?! No,
casual!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:57:52 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

Since the threat was directed at me, I would like to
comment on it. It certainly isn't the first time
someone has threatened to kill me. I Have had similar
threats from the Klan (At a time when it was still a
very real Terroist organization), from J.B. Stoner (
Who was the first person the FBI checked out when Dr.
King was assassinated, and who was later convicted of
the 1958 Church Bombing in Birmingham Alabama) and
from drug dealers. It is very hard to scare me.

Frankly this was little more than hyperbole from a
rather emotional person, and I found it amusing rather
than frightning. The only thing he is likely to kill
his his dignitas, a feat that he is well on the way of
acomplishing.

For my part I have no desire to bring any charges
against him either in Nova Roma, or at the
Macronational level, or to see others bring charges
against him for his "threat" against me.

--- Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
wrote:
>
> > (Translation: "And now, no more comments about my
> honor, or that of my
> > family, or I'll kill you." [last three words in
> English])
> >
> > -- Festus, just a lowly citizen, getting tired of
> the hostility
>
> Thanks for the translation (and thanks to Tiberius
> Annaeus for the
> previous translations).
>
> I think we have had more than enough of Quintus
> Fabius Rutilianus.
> From the beginning, he has done nothing but demand
> honors he does
> not deserve, and threaten anyone who dares to
> question or admonish
> him.
>
> I ask the Praetores to restrict his future postings.
> The Censores are
> considering a Nota against this individual as well;
> I now think that
> that is an appropriate action.
>
> Rutilianus, we have been patient with you, but your
> illegal threats
> will not be tolerated here. You have disgraced your
> family name.
> Go and found your Empire somewhere else; I don't
> think you'll find
> anyone who considers you a worthy leader, but
> anything is possible.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Curator Araneum et Senator
>
>

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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