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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] letter to sodalistas group no subject
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:23:16 -0000

Nova Romans,

The letter below was just sent to one of our sodalistas groups.
Please be warned that in all likelyhood that this is another scam out
of Africa. I and many of my friends have been getting many letters
like this out of Africa for many years. The Royal Canadian Mounted
Police in my country warned us about it on television a few months
ago. They just want to get access to our bank account number. Sadly
there have been many fools here who fell for that. Other letters can
be more realistic and convincing. Be warned; mind you the average IQ
in NR is well above 50 so I'm sure a warning is not needed. (grin)

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Dear sir/madam

With good recommendation,I decided to contact you.
I am PRINCE DAVID SAVIMBI, the son of JONAS SAVIMBI ,the leader of the
UNITA rebel in ANGOLA, who was killed in february by the troop loyal
to
the government .After his funeral and burial,we had a family meeting
and
resolved to invest the money he left behind in your country, hence
this
letter to you.He left the sum of $80 million us dollars in cash,
which was
a proceed from the sale of diamonds,which was under his control.

However,the entire development made us to flee ANGOLA to
JOHANESBURG,SOUTH
AFRICA, for fear of being killed.
The amount of $80 million united states dollars in cash is presently
in our
possession, and I would want it to be invested in your country,due to
the
stability of your economy.The money is presently with an emergency
diplomatic security courier company,which my mother and I hurriedly
used
to move the
cargo out from our country to SOUTH AFRICA.We registered it under a
security
code with no name, and was registered as containing photographic paper
material.

My mother and I have resolved to give you 15% of the total sum for
your
assistance in
getting this funds transferred to your reliable company's account in
your
country,for investment.We have equally resolved to spend the rest of
our
lives in your country.You have to make traveling arrangement
of coming to JOHANESBURG,SOUTH AFRICA,immediately to meet with me
face to
face and see the funds physically,then have it transferred to your
account.Afterwhich both of us would travel together to your country
for
sharing and immediate investment,then my family will join me later.

As we await your urgent reply, strictly through my e-mail
davsavimbi2002@h... or my private phone number +882 1 646685229.
your
absolute trust and confidentiality is highly solicited to serve us
better.

Best regard
PRINCE DAVID SAVIMBI


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: letter to sodalistas group no subject
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:52:55 -0000

---Salve Quintus Lanius:

Many thanks for sharing this. Although I confess I hadn't
heard 'this one' :)

I love his assumptive remarks about 'our' stable economy...LOL!!!

I'll call Franka my travel agent today!

Vale :)

Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Nova Romans,
>
> The letter below was just sent to one of our sodalistas groups.
> Please be warned that in all likelyhood that this is another scam
out
> of Africa. I and many of my friends have been getting many letters
> like this out of Africa for many years. The Royal Canadian Mounted
> Police in my country warned us about it on television a few months
> ago. They just want to get access to our bank account number. Sadly
> there have been many fools here who fell for that. Other letters
can
> be more realistic and convincing. Be warned; mind you the average
IQ
> in NR is well above 50 so I'm sure a warning is not needed. (grin)
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Dear sir/madam
>
> With good recommendation,I decided to contact you.
> I am PRINCE DAVID SAVIMBI, the son of JONAS SAVIMBI ,the leader of
the
> UNITA rebel in ANGOLA, who was killed in february by the troop
loyal
> to
> the government .After his funeral and burial,we had a family
meeting
> and
> resolved to invest the money he left behind in your country, hence
> this
> letter to you.He left the sum of $80 million us dollars in cash,
> which was
> a proceed from the sale of diamonds,which was under his control.
>
> However,the entire development made us to flee ANGOLA to
> JOHANESBURG,SOUTH
> AFRICA, for fear of being killed.
> The amount of $80 million united states dollars in cash is
presently
> in our
> possession, and I would want it to be invested in your country,due
to
> the
> stability of your economy.The money is presently with an emergency
> diplomatic security courier company,which my mother and I hurriedly
> used
> to move the
> cargo out from our country to SOUTH AFRICA.We registered it under a
> security
> code with no name, and was registered as containing photographic
paper
> material.
>
> My mother and I have resolved to give you 15% of the total sum for
> your
> assistance in
> getting this funds transferred to your reliable company's account
in
> your
> country,for investment.We have equally resolved to spend the rest
of
> our
> lives in your country.You have to make traveling arrangement
> of coming to JOHANESBURG,SOUTH AFRICA,immediately to meet with me
> face to
> face and see the funds physically,then have it transferred to your
> account.Afterwhich both of us would travel together to your country
> for
> sharing and immediate investment,then my family will join me later.
>
> As we await your urgent reply, strictly through my e-mail
> davsavimbi2002@h... or my private phone number +882 1 646685229.
> your
> absolute trust and confidentiality is highly solicited to serve us
> better.
>
> Best regard
> PRINCE DAVID SAVIMBI


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Polybius
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:36:35 -0500

what about Loeb classic translations?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Manius Constantinus Serapio
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:41 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Polybius

AVETE OMNES

I need an english translation of the first book of the Histories by
Polybius.
Does anybody know were I can find it on the internet?

Thank you very much.

BENE VALETE
Manius Constantinvs Serapio
Legatvs Externis Rebuvs Provinciae Italiae
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
--------------------------------
PROVINCIA ITALIA
http://italia.novaroma.org


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:41:06 -0500

Salve:

I suggest we judge him by his present deeds and words, not lineage or the fame of his alleged gens. Look at the Hemingways for crying out loud.

Vale

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:41 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Regarding Fabius Rullianus

Salvete

For the time being I suggest Q. Fabius Rullianus be put on moderated status,
and his posts sent to me until I can teach him courtesy <sigh>. I usually
write to him in Italian, since that is more his language, then German. He
likes colorful phrases that do not translate well into German.

The biggest problem is he can claims he can trace his family back to the
Fabius Maximus. So when he discovered that A. the Fabius who was head of
household was German,
B. He lives in California, it was an insult of major proportions. Since
then, he wants to start his own Nova Roma since the current one is such an
insult to his ancient gens.
Next being of Patrician status, he demands his traditional seat on the
Senate, and he wishes all of your reverence.
His attitude is "Look, I'm the only true Roman among you, so you should be
worshiping me."
So yes, we have some problems. Still how could I pass up a genuine Fabius in
Gens Fabia?
After all this is what NR is all about. A touchstone to the past.
As for his claims I am checking them out. I have his family names and I've
started a trace, but just started. I have gotten back as far as the 16th
Century, but that's all.
If he is lying, then too bad, but he believes his lies very fervently, so
perhaps they aren't lies after all.
For the time being, I'd suggest putting him on moderated status.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] letter to sodalistas group no subject
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:43:01 -0500

You can use my trust account. Give me the money. Hurry.

G.B. Agricola

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] letter to sodalistas group no subject

Nova Romans,

The letter below was just sent to one of our sodalistas groups.
Please be warned that in all likelyhood that this is another scam out
of Africa. I and many of my friends have been getting many letters
like this out of Africa for many years. The Royal Canadian Mounted
Police in my country warned us about it on television a few months
ago. They just want to get access to our bank account number. Sadly
there have been many fools here who fell for that. Other letters can
be more realistic and convincing. Be warned; mind you the average IQ
in NR is well above 50 so I'm sure a warning is not needed. (grin)

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Dear sir/madam

With good recommendation,I decided to contact you.
I am PRINCE DAVID SAVIMBI, the son of JONAS SAVIMBI ,the leader of the
UNITA rebel in ANGOLA, who was killed in february by the troop loyal
to
the government .After his funeral and burial,we had a family meeting
and
resolved to invest the money he left behind in your country, hence
this
letter to you.He left the sum of $80 million us dollars in cash,
which was
a proceed from the sale of diamonds,which was under his control.

However,the entire development made us to flee ANGOLA to
JOHANESBURG,SOUTH
AFRICA, for fear of being killed.
The amount of $80 million united states dollars in cash is presently
in our
possession, and I would want it to be invested in your country,due to
the
stability of your economy.The money is presently with an emergency
diplomatic security courier company,which my mother and I hurriedly
used
to move the
cargo out from our country to SOUTH AFRICA.We registered it under a
security
code with no name, and was registered as containing photographic paper
material.

My mother and I have resolved to give you 15% of the total sum for
your
assistance in
getting this funds transferred to your reliable company's account in
your
country,for investment.We have equally resolved to spend the rest of
our
lives in your country.You have to make traveling arrangement
of coming to JOHANESBURG,SOUTH AFRICA,immediately to meet with me
face to
face and see the funds physically,then have it transferred to your
account.Afterwhich both of us would travel together to your country
for
sharing and immediate investment,then my family will join me later.

As we await your urgent reply, strictly through my e-mail
davsavimbi2002@h... or my private phone number +882 1 646685229.
your
absolute trust and confidentiality is highly solicited to serve us
better.

Best regard
PRINCE DAVID SAVIMBI


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Minor Lacus Magni Festival Site Update
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:07:34 -0700 (PDT)

Just to let everyone know, I have added a few minor updates to the Festival site.
These are located in the Other Items of Interest area of the page (about 2/3 of the way down)
http://blobbin.hypermart.net/Roman%20Festival.htm

Also, the deadline for confirming your attendance is fast approaching (Sept. 20th)
If you plan to attend and have yet to inform me, please do so. All I need is the number planning to attend. This is to ensure that we have enough food for the Roman Lunch.
Thanks,

Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni

---------------------------------
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] THE OPENING OF THE LUDI ROMANI CIRCENSES
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:25:26 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I HEREBY OPEN THE LUDI ROMANI CIRCENSES!

This Ludi Circenses will be going on from the 13th to the 17th of
September and it will involve 26 chariots. Please get to the Circus
and support your own faction!!!

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] An Q. Fabius Rullianus - To Q. Fabius Rullianus
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:56:42 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Omnes,

excuse me for posting this in German, but it seems besides Italian the only language Rullianus understands.

Salve, Quinte Fabi Rulliane.

Ich denke, es ist f�r Dich an der Zeit, in Dich zu gehen und zu �berlegen, ob Dein Verbleib in Nova Roma noch sinnvoll ist.

Kein Neub�rger hat es in so kurzer Zeit jemals geschafft, sich so in den Mittelpunkt zu dr�cken und mit v�llig �berzogenen Angriffen gegen B�rger Unverst�ndnis und Wut zu erregen.

Du stellst Dich aufgrund Deiner Familienabstammung als etwas Besonderes dar. Dazu kann ich nur sagen, das dies nicht nur v�llig unerheblich f�r uns ist, vielmehr ist es auch albern und Deine fortw�hrend Wiederholung ist l�cherlich. Nicht wir beleidigen Deine Familie und die altr�mische Gens, der Du anzugeh�ren glaubst, nein, das machst Du selbst Durch Deinen Auftritt hier bei uns.

Du beleidigst auch gleichzeitig Deinen Paterfamilias, der Dich in die Gens Fabia aufgenommen hat.

Du versuchst Dich mit Deinem J�hzorn zu entschuldigen, aber das interessiert hier niemanden. Du bist einfach das, was Du durch Dein Verhalten zeigst: Ein Neub�rger, der j�hzornig und bar jeglicher patrizischer Dignitas und Gravitas herumstolziert und fortw�hrend Beleidigungen verbreitet, ja sogar Mitb�rger mit Mord bedroht.

Quinte Fabi Rulliane, es gibt zwei M�glichkeiten f�r Dich:

Entweder suchst Du Dein Gl�ck dort, wo Du es zu finden glaubst, und wo Deine Vorfahren f�r Dein Fortkommen wichtiger sind als hier, oder...

.. Du versuchst, wie ein R�mer zu handeln und Dich in diese Gemeinschaft einzufinden, den Cursus Honorum zu gehen und damit am Ende auch die W�rden zu erlangen, die Du f�r Dich schon jetzt ursupierst.

Quinte Fabi Rulliane, wir sind Deiner m�de. Nova Roma ist Deiner �berdr�ssig. Je mehr Du Dich so wie jetzt verh�ltst, desto weniger wirst Du wahrgenommen.

Wir k�nnen Dir das B�rgerrecht nicht entziehen, aber wir Censoren k�nnen eine Nota gegen Dich erlassen, womit Du von den Wahlen, und damit vom Cursus Honorum, bis auf Weiteres ausgeschlossen wirst. Damit hast Du Dir dann einen zuk�nftigen Platz im Senat vorerst selbst zunichte gemacht.

Du tust mir leid, Quinte Fabi Rulliane.

Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor, Senator
Propraetor Germaniae


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ROMANUS MUSIC CONCERT in Romani Ludi
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:57:54 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

Today, Music in Ludi Romani!
The Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus have wanted give you an high
number or different event, from sports, to literature, theatre and music.

Today we have organized a little concert of typical Roman music within theme
original pictures at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/concert.htm
The program is the following:

1) MERCATUS
by Mercato della Centuriazione
Gruppo Archeologico Villadose (Italy)
www.centuriazione.it
Image: Drawings from Pompeii ruins

2) SPONSALI
by Mercato della Centuriazione
Gruppo Archeologico Villadose (Italy)
www.centuriazione.it
Image: Flautes musicians

3) BACCHANALIA
by D. Marshall - Ancestral Instruments
www.ancestral.co.uk/romanmusic.htm
Image: "Homerus' Lecture" by L.Alma-Tadema

!!!! - Keep attenction: the music tracks are protected by owners' copyright.
This reproduction is totally not-commercial and the copy is forbidden. -
!!!!

You need Macromedia Flash Player to see the mvoie. You can download it at
www.macromedia.com

Ladies and Gentlemen, the show go on!!!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 154
From:	"william wheeler" <holyconelia@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:10:31 +0000

Salve

how would one give land to NR?say here in the state of oregon
would not file in the state as a corp ( so as to hold title to the land?)

Marcus Cornelius Felix Pontitff Lictor Curiatus Legate America
Boreoccidentalis Minore Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis Gens
Sacerdos Cornelia LUX ET CORNELIA AETERNA EST

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] apollonia acta
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:58:35 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

the latest news about the Roman Archeology at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

Optime Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] RE: NRLand Project / Egressus Proposal
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:37:19 -0400 (EDT)

Mr. Lancaster;

I certainly understand, as I have other projects in hand as well. There
is a philosophy that "if you want a job done, give it to a man / woman
who is TOO busy to do it."

I wish you the best of luck in your application to join us, and when you
are a Citizen, if your interests tend in that way, I encourage you to
join the Sodalitas Miltarium or Egressus, as you wish, and at my
personal invitation.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XI - DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE SACERDOTIS PROPRAETORIS AD RELIGIONEM
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:13:25 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XI
DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE SACERDOTIS PROPRAETORIS AD RELIGIONEM
September 13, 2002

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

The election of the Dea Roma as protecting Goddess of teh Provincia Italia,
as written in the Edictum Propraetoricium VIII, par. II - 3, have underlined
the improving interest of the Italian citizens for the study and the
application of the Religio Romana. Now it need the appointment of a
Magistrate, in the Provincia Italia, expert of Religio Romana and able to
study and to diffuse rites and rituals.

I. I hereby appoint Honorable Sempronia Solaria Messalina Scriba Sacerdos
Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae ad Religionem. As written in the Edictum
Propraetoricium I - par. E, she'll engage in the researches, studies,
analyses and diffusion of everything about the Religio Romana. She'll the
most important expert in this content and she'll help the citiznes of
Provincia Italia in the apllication of religious rites and rituals She'll
diffuse the knowledge about the Reliog publishing informations and studies
about it, starting philosophical and religious discussions and remembering
events and festivities.

II. She'll study especially the cult about Dea Roma, protecting Goddess of
the Provincia Italia, and she'll help the improvement of the religious
feeling for the Goddess between the citizens.

II. As an official of Nova Roma she is asked to, within one week of his
appointment, swear the public oath shown on
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html using both her Nova
Roman name and within parenthesis her macroworld (real) name.

III. As Member of Consilium Propraetoris she is Member of the Curia Italica
too in accordance with the Edictum Propraetoricium I - Regula Provinciae
Italiae. I invite Sempronia Solaria Messalina to subscribe the Curia mailing
list at http://it.groups.yahoo.com/group/curiaitalica/ and to work hard for
the costruction and preserving of teh Curia Italica.

IV This edictum has an immediate effect. Promulgated on a.d. III Idus Iulias
MMDCCLV a.u.c. (September 13, 2002), in the year of the consuls Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

V. This Edictum is approved by Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt).

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

----------------------------------------
EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XI
DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE SACERDOTIS PROPRAETORIS AD RELIGIONEM
13 Settembre 2002

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

L'elezione della Dea Roma a Divinit� protettrice della Provincia Italia,
come indicato nell'Edictum Propraetoricium VIII, par. II - 3, ha
sottolineato il crescente interesse per lo studio e l'applicazione della
Religio Romana nella cittadinanza italica. Ci� rende necessaria
l'individuazione di una figura, all'interno della Provincia, esperta in
Religio Romana e che si occupi di studiare e diffondere riti e rituali.

I. Nomino l'Onorabile Sempronia Solaria Messalina Scriba sacerdos
Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae ad Religionem.
Come previsto dall'Edictum Propraetoricium I - par. E, ella si occuper�
della ricerca, studio, analisi e diffusione di tutto ci� che riguarda la
Religio Romana. Sar� il massimo esperto in tale campo e assister� i
cittadini della Provincia Italia nell'applicazione dei riti e rituali
religiosi. Essa diffonder� la conoscenza sulla Religio pubblicando
informazioni e studi su di essa, instaurando discussioni di carattere
filosofico-religioso e ricordando celebrazioni e festivit�.

II. Essa, inoltre, dovr� condurre studi specifici sul culto della Dea Roma,
protettrice della Provincia Italia, e favorire l'incremento del sentimento
religioso per la Dea fra i cittadini italici.

II. Come ufficiale di Nova Roma Sempronia Solaria Messalina � tenuta, entro
dieci giorni dalla nomina, a dichiarare il giuramento pubblico pubblicato su
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html utilizzando sia il nome
Nova Romano, sia il nome reale tra parentesi.

III. Come membro del Consilium Propraetoris ella � anche membro della Curia
Italica in accordo con l'Edictum Propraetoricium I - Regula Provinciae
Italiae. La invito ad iscriversi alla mailing list su
http://it.groups.yahoo.com/group/curiaitalica/ e a lavorare per la
costruzione ed il mantenimento della Curia.

IV. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato il a.d. III Idus Iulias
MMDCCLV a.u.c. (13 Settembre 2002), nell'anno del consolato di Marcus
Octavius Germanicus e Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

V. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XII - DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE PROPRAETORIS AD ANGLINICATEM
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:13:05 +0200

EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XII
DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE PROPRAETORIS AD ANGLINICATEM
September 13, 2002

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

The function of Scriba ad Anglinicatem (translator of english language) is
covered pro tempore by Illustrus Marcus Iulius Perusianus, yet Scriba ad
Historiam. Seen the improvement of the activities of translation and
interpretary in Nova Roma about the official website and in the Provincia
Italia, and the candidacy of Illustra Aurelia Iulia Pulchra in the Decuria
of Interpreters as italian referent, it need the appointement of a permanent
Scriba.

I. I hereby appoint Illustra Aurelia Iulia Pulchra Scriba Propraetoris
Provinciae Italiae ad Anglinicatem. As written in the Edictum
Propraetoricium III, par. IV - C, she'll engage in the english translation
of official documents by provincia Italia, of formal and informal, public
and private mails, of pages of the official website of Provincia Italia and
she'll help everyone in this field.

II. As an official of Nova Roma she is asked to, within one week of his
appointment, swear the public oath shown on
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html using both her Nova
Roman name and within parenthesis her macroworld (real) name.

III. As Member of Consilium Propraetoris she is Member of the Curia Italica
too in accordance with the Edictum Propraetoricium I - Regula Provinciae
Italiae. I invite Aurelia Iulia Pulchra to subscribe the Curia mailing
list at http://it.groups.yahoo.com/group/curiaitalica/ and to work hard for
the costruction and preserving of teh Curia Italica.

IV This edictum has an immediate effect. Promulgated on a.d. III Idus Iulias
MMDCCLV a.u.c. (September 13, 2002), in the year of the consuls Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

V. This Edictum is approved by Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt).

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

-------------------------------

EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XII
DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE PROPRAETORIS AD ANGLINICATEM
13 Settembre 2002

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

La carica di Scriba ad Anglinicatem (interprete di lingua inglese) �
attualmente ricoperta pro tempore dall'Illustre Marcus Iulius Perusianus,
gi� Scriba ad Historiam.
Visto inoltre l'incremento delle attivit� di traduzione ed interpretariato
all'interno di Nova Roma, riguardanti il sito ufficiale e con la Provincia
Italia, e la candidatura dell'Illustre Aurelia Iulia Pulchra nella Decuria
of
Interpreters come esponente italiano, si rende necessaria la nomina di uno
Scriba permanente.

I. Nomino l'Illustre Aurelia Iulia Pulchra Scriba Propraetoris Provinciae
Italiae ad Anglinicatem.
Come previsto dall'Edictum Propraetoricium III, par. IV - C, ella si
occuper� della traduzione in inglese dei
documenti ufficiali della Provincia Italia, delle lettere formali ed
informali, private e pubbliche, delle pagine del sito Internet ufficiale
della Provincia Italia, e fornir� consulenza in materia.

II. Come ufficiale di Nova Roma Aurelia Iulia Pulchra � tenuta, entro dieci
giorni dalla nomina, a dichiarare il giuramento pubblico pubblicato su
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html utilizzando sia il nome
Nova Romano, sia il nome reale tra parentesi.

III. Come membro del Consilium Propraetoris ella � anche membro della Curia
Italica in accordo con l'Edictum Propraetoricium I - Regula Provinciae
Italiae. La invito ad iscriversi alla mailing list su
http://it.groups.yahoo.com/group/curiaitalica/ e a lavorare per la
costruzione ed il mantenimento della Curia.

IV. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato il a.d. III Idus Iulias
MMDCCLV a.u.c. (13 Settembre 2002), nell'anno del consolato di Marcus
Octavius Germanicus e Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

V. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Praetoral Comments: Recent Communication and Removal of Posting Privilege
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:42:43 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

In the matter of recent posts from Q. Fabius Rullianus, the matter is
being dealt with by the Praetors, after viewing the English
translations.

We have elected not to posts these in English. There is enough
already to indicate that they are not the type of communication we
want to entertain in this forum.

The Praetors issued a warning of moderation and they kept their
bargain. Since the citizen in question has crossed the line, so to
speak, and presented us with even more undesirable behaviours and
attitudes clearly against constitutinal ordinances, against Praetoral
forum guidelines and Yahoo guidelines, he has lost his privilege to
post until further notice. He has been so advised in English, which
is one of our official languages for official documentation in Nova
Roma. He can consult Bablefish for a translation. I am not under
obligation to "run all over town" looking for a translator for him.
My duty is to the Senate and People of Nova Roma. In the meantime, he
cannot post. He will see that when he tries to post again.

I normally do not divulge this kind of information regarding
discipline of those who have committed list infarctions, but given
the magnitude of the issues, coupled with the people whom he has
given grave concern and unpleasantness, I feel it is appropriate and
indicated that the populus know that the Praetors have dealt with the
issue by due process of law.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] An Q. Fabius Rullianus - To Q. Fabius Rullianus
From:	"scott dolleck" <billgatesson@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:23:43 -0600

salvete Omnes,

I cannot just read this and be quite.
I must say,...This post was VERY WELL written.

Lucius Avisius Seneca

>From: <3s@hsk-net.de>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] An Q. Fabius Rullianus - To Q. Fabius Rullianus
>Date: 12 Sep 2002 23:59:22 -0700
>
>
>Salvete Omnes,
>
>excuse me for posting this in German, but it seems besides Italian the only
>language Rullianus understands.
>
>Salve, Quinte Fabi Rulliane.
>
>Ich denke, es ist f�r Dich an der Zeit, in Dich zu gehen und zu �berlegen,
>ob Dein Verbleib in Nova Roma noch sinnvoll ist.
>
>Kein Neub�rger hat es in so kurzer Zeit jemals geschafft, sich so in den
>Mittelpunkt zu dr�cken und mit v�llig �berzogenen Angriffen gegen B�rger
>Unverst�ndnis und Wut zu erregen.
>
>Du stellst Dich aufgrund Deiner Familienabstammung als etwas Besonderes
>dar. Dazu kann ich nur sagen, das dies nicht nur v�llig unerheblich f�r uns
>ist, vielmehr ist es auch albern und Deine fortw�hrend Wiederholung ist
>l�cherlich. Nicht wir beleidigen Deine Familie und die altr�mische Gens,
>der Du anzugeh�ren glaubst, nein, das machst Du selbst Durch Deinen
>Auftritt hier bei uns.
>
>Du beleidigst auch gleichzeitig Deinen Paterfamilias, der Dich in die Gens
>Fabia aufgenommen hat.
>
>Du versuchst Dich mit Deinem J�hzorn zu entschuldigen, aber das
>interessiert hier niemanden. Du bist einfach das, was Du durch Dein
>Verhalten zeigst: Ein Neub�rger, der j�hzornig und bar jeglicher
>patrizischer Dignitas und Gravitas herumstolziert und fortw�hrend
>Beleidigungen verbreitet, ja sogar Mitb�rger mit Mord bedroht.
>
>Quinte Fabi Rulliane, es gibt zwei M�glichkeiten f�r Dich:
>
>Entweder suchst Du Dein Gl�ck dort, wo Du es zu finden glaubst, und wo
>Deine Vorfahren f�r Dein Fortkommen wichtiger sind als hier, oder...
>
>.. Du versuchst, wie ein R�mer zu handeln und Dich in diese Gemeinschaft
>einzufinden, den Cursus Honorum zu gehen und damit am Ende auch die W�rden
>zu erlangen, die Du f�r Dich schon jetzt ursupierst.
>
>Quinte Fabi Rulliane, wir sind Deiner m�de. Nova Roma ist Deiner
>�berdr�ssig. Je mehr Du Dich so wie jetzt verh�ltst, desto weniger wirst Du
>wahrgenommen.
>
>Wir k�nnen Dir das B�rgerrecht nicht entziehen, aber wir Censoren k�nnen
>eine Nota gegen Dich erlassen, womit Du von den Wahlen, und damit vom
>Cursus Honorum, bis auf Weiteres ausgeschlossen wirst. Damit hast Du Dir
>dann einen zuk�nftigen Platz im Senat vorerst selbst zunichte gemacht.
>
>Du tust mir leid, Quinte Fabi Rulliane.
>
>Vale
>Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>Censor, Senator
>Propraetor Germaniae
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tribunes
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:41:56 -0400 (EDT)

Master Q.L. Paulinus;

To continue into the Imperial Period regarding your question about
Military Tribunes, the following applies:
_____________________________________

Reference:

"The Roman Imperial Army of the First and Second Centuries A.D.," Graham
Webster, University Of Oklahoma Press, Norman, 1979.

"There were six military tribunes, each of whom held his commission as a
step in his career. The senior tribune was a senator designate
(Tribunas Laticlavius, i.e. entitled to a broad puple stripe on the
toga, the senatorial distinction) who served a short term as a tribune
before he was twenty-five. prior to entering the Senate as a "Quaestor"
( ajunior magistate in Rome, or a junior financial officer in one of the
Senatorial Provinces). He could loo forward to recieving a full command
of a legion later in his career and this was his apprenticesip. Te
other tribunes were, most of them, young men of equestrian rankand
designated as "tribuni angusticlavius" (i.e,. having the narrow stripe).
They sprang from municipal magistracies or praefectures of auxilary
cohorts, and a few of them might expect high positions in the civil
service as procurators. The normal promotion route from the mid-first
century was:

(1)--"Praefectus cohortis peditatae or equitatae";

(2)--"tribunus legionus angusticlavius";

(3)--"praefectus alae."

For those reaching equestrian status late in life, these third terms of
office could be three or four years and were probably sufficient, but
the younger equestrians wth the ability and the rigt connextions might
even attain Senatorial Rank. In the legion these officers held staff
appointments and had administrative and judicial responsibilities rather
than those of direct command. (a)

(a)--Tacitus mentions thier duties as arranging the discharges of
veterans, and afer the mutiny of AD 14, reporting on the reliability of
centurions.

Reference:

"Greece and Rome At War." Peter Connolly, Greenhill Books and Stackpole
Books, London / Mechaicsburg, PA, 1998.

"Above the Centurianate was a group of semi-professional officers. The
tribunes came first. There still six of these to each legion.
Technically they were all "equites", but the senior ranking "tribunas
laticlavius" wore the broad band which showed that h had been acceted
as a candidatefor the Senate; the other five tribunes wore the narrow
purple band. The "tribunas laticlavius" would be under 25, the minimum
age of entering the Senate as a "quaestor". The tribunate would have
been given to him by the provincial govenor, who might be a relative, or
possibly in response to a request from the tribune's friends or patrons
-- thge oman world ran on a recognized "old boy network." The "tribunas
laticlavius" would have no previous military experience and would leave
the army after one tour of duty (rarely more)of perhaps one to two years
to begin a career in the Senate. Ten years later he might return to the
army to command a legion.

The five other tribunes, angusticlavi, had a different career. By the
middle of the 2nd century AD, it was customry for an "augusticlavius to
have already served as a praefect of an auxiliary infantry regiment
(cohort). As he might well have servedas senior magistrate of his
hometown before appointment (minimum age 25 or 30) he would be an older
man with some military experience. In the mid-2nd century there were
only 131 vacancies as legionary tribune for approximately 270 commanders
of the 500-strong infantry or mixed auxiliary regiments, enabling
govenors to avoid appointing men who had proved to be incompetant. The
best of the 270, some 30 or 40, would have been apointedd by the emperor
to command 1,00-strong infantry or mixed cohorts. In the legion they
had administrative responsibilities , being concerned pimarily with the
troop's welfare and daily routine as duty officers."
-------------------------------------------------------

Apparently the prestige of the Tribune in the Imperial period was much
less than that of the Republican Period.

I hope the above will answer your questions to some degree.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] An Q. Fabius Rullianus - To Q. Fabius Rullianus
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:54:42 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

a perfect mail indeed. A lesson of Roman virtues.

Valete,

--- scott dolleck <billgatesson@hotmail.com> wrote:
> salvete Omnes,
>
> I cannot just read this and be quite.
> I must say,...This post was VERY WELL written.
>
>
> Lucius Avisius Seneca
>
>
>
> >From: <3s@hsk-net.de>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] An Q. Fabius Rullianus - To Q. Fabius Rullianus
> >Date: 12 Sep 2002 23:59:22 -0700
> >
> >
> >Salvete Omnes,
> >
> >excuse me for posting this in German, but it seems besides Italian the only
> >language Rullianus understands.
> >
> >Salve, Quinte Fabi Rulliane.
> >
> >Ich denke, es ist f�r Dich an der Zeit, in Dich zu gehen und zu �berlegen,
> >ob Dein Verbleib in Nova Roma noch sinnvoll ist.
> >
> >Kein Neub�rger hat es in so kurzer Zeit jemals geschafft, sich so in den
> >Mittelpunkt zu dr�cken und mit v�llig �berzogenen Angriffen gegen B�rger
> >Unverst�ndnis und Wut zu erregen.
> >
> >Du stellst Dich aufgrund Deiner Familienabstammung als etwas Besonderes
> >dar. Dazu kann ich nur sagen, das dies nicht nur v�llig unerheblich f�r uns
> >ist, vielmehr ist es auch albern und Deine fortw�hrend Wiederholung ist
> >l�cherlich. Nicht wir beleidigen Deine Familie und die altr�mische Gens,
> >der Du anzugeh�ren glaubst, nein, das machst Du selbst Durch Deinen
> >Auftritt hier bei uns.
> >
> >Du beleidigst auch gleichzeitig Deinen Paterfamilias, der Dich in die Gens
> >Fabia aufgenommen hat.
> >
> >Du versuchst Dich mit Deinem J�hzorn zu entschuldigen, aber das
> >interessiert hier niemanden. Du bist einfach das, was Du durch Dein
> >Verhalten zeigst: Ein Neub�rger, der j�hzornig und bar jeglicher
> >patrizischer Dignitas und Gravitas herumstolziert und fortw�hrend
> >Beleidigungen verbreitet, ja sogar Mitb�rger mit Mord bedroht.
> >
> >Quinte Fabi Rulliane, es gibt zwei M�glichkeiten f�r Dich:
> >
> >Entweder suchst Du Dein Gl�ck dort, wo Du es zu finden glaubst, und wo
> >Deine Vorfahren f�r Dein Fortkommen wichtiger sind als hier, oder...
> >
> >.. Du versuchst, wie ein R�mer zu handeln und Dich in diese Gemeinschaft
> >einzufinden, den Cursus Honorum zu gehen und damit am Ende auch die W�rden
> >zu erlangen, die Du f�r Dich schon jetzt ursupierst.
> >
> >Quinte Fabi Rulliane, wir sind Deiner m�de. Nova Roma ist Deiner
> >�berdr�ssig. Je mehr Du Dich so wie jetzt verh�ltst, desto weniger wirst Du
> >wahrgenommen.
> >
> >Wir k�nnen Dir das B�rgerrecht nicht entziehen, aber wir Censoren k�nnen
> >eine Nota gegen Dich erlassen, womit Du von den Wahlen, und damit vom
> >Cursus Honorum, bis auf Weiteres ausgeschlossen wirst. Damit hast Du Dir
> >dann einen zuk�nftigen Platz im Senat vorerst selbst zunichte gemacht.
> >
> >Du tust mir leid, Quinte Fabi Rulliane.
> >
> >Vale
> >Caius Flavius Diocletianus
> >Censor, Senator
> >Propraetor Germaniae
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
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Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Research Staff Appointment
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT)

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have had several positive responses to my proposal to move the NR Land
Project to the Sodalitas Egressus, as well as some volunteers for work
in the proposed new Egressus department, NR Land Project. I thank you
very much for your positive comments, and your very kind remarks.

One of the positions which will be part of the proposed NR Land Project
undertaking will be the Research Officer, who will undertake to go back
into the NR Land Project Archives and list the suggestions which have
been forwarded to this Forum since it began. Having done that he will
divide the suggestions into areas which are in concurrence with the
other Senior Staff Officers for those future appointees to consider and
report on. Since the work should be done in my opinion no matter where
the NR Land Project is finally established, and since we have discussed
this project fully over the last months and years, it is my take on this
situation that some positive action should be undertaken.

I am now very pleased to be able to appoint Dominus Praefectus Manius
Constantinius Serapio of the Sodalitas Egressus to the temporary
position of Research Officer for the NR Land Project in the Sodalitas
Egressus. His duties for the immediate period are outlined above and he
shall have the privaledge of selecting two Scribae, one of which will be
able to take his place should he not be available for any extended
period.

I make this appointment through my authority as Praefectus of the
Sodalitas Egressus, for the pupose of beginning a long and
time-consuming job, while I await the responses from the others on the
NR Land Project List who may have an interest in the moving of the
Project to Egressus or to vounteer their efforts to serve on the
proposed Senior Staff of that project.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Praefectus Fabrum -- Sodalitas Egressus -- Nova Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: Idibus Septembris (September 13th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:28:09 +0100

ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS PONTIFEX OMNIBVS CIVIBVS SALVTEM

This is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.

Today is the aniversary of the dedication of the temple of Iuppiter, Iuno
and Miverva on the Mons Capitolinus (Capitoline Hill). Tradition says that
it was dedicated in 509 BC by M. Horatius Pulvillus, the first Consul of the
Respublica. Iuppiter is today honoured with a banquet, the Epulum Iovis
(Banquet of Iuppiter). This is organised by the Epulones, priests who had
the duty of organising the banquets associated with public feasts. This
college of priests was created in 196 BC due to the increase in the number
of public feasts as new temples were built and dedicated. Numbering 3 in the
beginning (Triumviri Epulones), their number was increased to 7 (Septemviri
Epulones) until it reached 10 (their name did not change at this time, being
still Septemviri Epulones) by the time of Caesar. The magistrates and
senators attend the Epulum Iovis, which begins with a sacrifice (probably a
white heifer). The second batch of 'mola salsa', which the Vestal Virgins
have prepared earlier in the year, is now used (the first has been offered
at the Vestalia, the third is reserved for the Lupercalia). At the banquet
itself, images of the three deities preside, dressed for a feast: Iuppiter,
his face reddened with 'minium' is placed on a 'lectulus' (couch), while
Iuno and Minerva have 'sellae' (seats).
It is also worth to remember an ancient and mysterious ritual asociated with
the temple, which was kept until the IIIrd century BC. A Praetor or other
magistrate used to drive a nail into a wall of the temple. The meaning of
the ritual was unfortunately forgotten.

Today is also the 9th day of the Ludi Romani.

The month of September is sacred to Vulcan.

Di vos incolumes custodiant


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Tribunes
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:31:01 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., labienus@t... wrote:
> There was another kind of triibunus militum. When the plebs were
fighting to
> be able to be elected as consules, the patricians went through a
number of
> motions to blunt that effort. One of these motions was to create
special
> tribuni militum that had the authority of a consul, but not the
dignity of the
> office. Two, three, or rarely four tribuni militum were elected by
the Comitia
> Centuriata instead of consules when the people so desired. Since
they were
> essentially consules by another name, these tribuni militum
actually led the
> Senate.

I believe you are refering to the Lex Canuleian of about 445 BC,
which created 6 tribuni militum in place of 2 consuls and legalized
marriage between patricians and plebians with children given the rank
of the father. Interestingly enough the first plebian tribuni
militum wasn't elected until 409 BC. The annual debate of whether
to hold election for Consuls or Tribuni lasted until 367 when the Lex
Lucinia opened the Consulship to plebians. (Mommsen's The History of
the Roman Republic)

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] one man's merda is another's manure
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:37:27 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Nurmi Husa <polymath@pacifier.com>
>
>
>At the risk of not sounding offended enough, I have to admit I was
>rather entertained by rude remarks recently posted here in German.
>
>Have you ever noticed how interesting expletives can be in a language

Salve!
since you are clearly of the ex-colonial persuasion, allow me to recommend a book by one of your most intelligent humourous writer: "Your Mother's tongue", Bill Bryson. The excellent Mr.Bryson has a good knowledge of linguistics (evidenced in "Made in America", about the divergences of British from more conservative American English). He also has a good knowledge of invective, cursing and insult, the subject of this book. Apparantly the Spanish favour blasphemy combined with bodily waste while of course, Scandinavians find the equivalent to 'four-letter words' as baffling used as cuss-words as we find Lt. Klinger's "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your armpit".
For some interesting views of insulting cognomina like Sesquiculus and Porcella, see Colleen McCullough's series starting 'First Man in Rome' (about Sulla) and so far extending through 4 thick complex novels to J.Caesar and the Rubicon: "Let the dice fly!" (in Menander's original Greek), not "The die is cast"
Do not, however, try Japanese invective: apparantly there are so many nuances of [dis]respect regarding speaker, spoken of and spoken to that the language has not developed them.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribunes
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:56:00 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
>There seems to be a civilian type of Tribune and a military type of
>Tribune that I observed from watching Roman movies. Question 1) Did a
>military Tribune have the same senatorial posting in Rome when his
>work was done with the army? 2) Similarily was a civilian Tribune
>sent over to a military post in times of war? 3)As Tribune in the
>army, what kind of power did the Tribune have? eg: supreme legion
>commander or figure head only? Thank you all!
>
Salve Quinte!
No: the Romans were rather poor on titles; if it's not Tribune it's Legate. It has a general meaning along the lines of Representative, Officer etc. Later on you get Comes and Dux being used in similar fashion for civil and military posts which eventually become Count and Duke.
Military Tribune seems to have been something of a liaison officer (or spy), usually of junior Senatorial civil rank like Quaestor. Tribune of the Plebs is an entirely different ancient post something like a glorified shop steward elected only by plebeians, which social distinction meant as little as a title in today's Germany by Imperial times. But since the holder had unlimited power of veto without explanation and it was sacrilege to injure, they wielded immense power through popular assembly for the likes of Pompey and Caesar to oppose the Seante majority. Other posts might well have been headed by a Tribune who was also of junior Senatorial rank, as a politician might be president of the X committee without being President.
Ita intellego.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The word of an interpreter
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:47:48 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>
>Regarding the silly posts of Fabius Rulianus, a word of an interpreter.
>
stupid life than helps me in anything. And I�most displeased to see the bad uses of the terms of roman catolicism ont he posts, he must respect it by the Constitution of Nova Roma, if he doesn�t fear the gods.
>
Something of an oddity there since relations between Christianity in general and Rome were never of the best, though the persecutions were vastly over-rated and generally deserved, and the antagonism continued long after Constantine's 'Coup de foi' via the kidnap and murder of a few popes to the establishment of an illegitimate 'Holy Roman Emperor' subject to the pope, religious civil war upon the introduction in the Latin translation of the creed that "Spiritus sanctus procedat de patre filioQUE", the Greek having no "and", and final secession of the Catholic church from its Orthodox origin which still had an "Emperor of the Romans" even if he did prefer "Vasilevs tohn Rohmaiohn" to "Imperator Romanorum", in 1065: the papal nuncio excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople while the latter gentleman was anathematizing his silliness - which sounds distinctly worse. They have kissed a little bit at Vatican 2 but not yet made up.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lineage
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:23:23 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : �L. Sicinius Drusus� <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
>HUMOR ALERT !!
>This post contains information from a nutcase
>conspircy site.

Interesting how the dates disappear as it gets closer to modern times. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's related to a Pharoah or two: about the only people who are not, after all this time must be Australian aborigines and Hottentots. Go back far enough and she's called Lucy.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
"Parturient montes et nascitur...ridiculus
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] one man's merda is another's manure
From:	"Paul Kershaw" <brighn@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:09:47 -0400

Do not, however, try Japanese invective: apparantly there are so many nuances of [dis]respect regarding speaker, spoken of and spoken to that the language has not developed them.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis

Salve,

Odd, my Japanese ESL students (English as a Second Language) taught me a few invectives. The only one I remember is, "Baka," which can be used in mixed company; it literally means "crazy," but is also used where English speakers might use, "damn" or "stupid." It is true that their system of formal speech is more complicated than English speakers are familiar with. They did get a laugh out of it when me, the Gaijin[1], would say, "Shindekudesai."[2]

I do agree that what I've read of Bryson is well done for his intended audience.

-- Vale, Festus

[1] "Foreigner," usually said with a xenophobic sneer.
[2] Roughly, "Please, accept my gracious offer and die now." -- A pretty formal way of saying, "Drop dead."

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The word of an interpreter
From:	"M. Octavius Solaris" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:38:45 +0200

Salve Vibi Ambrosi,

<<... translation of the creed that "Spiritus sanctus procedat de patre
filioQUE", the Greek having no "and", ...>>

Kai su, teknon? The Greek did have "and".

Vale bene!
Solaris


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 154
From:	"Proculus Postumius Nero" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:12:42 -0400

Proculus Postumius Nero Marco Cornelio Felici S.P.D.

Salve,

I'm not exactly sure as to how this would work, but perhaps by a transfer of title to someone within Nova Roma to be held in the place of Nova Roma, if that makes any sense. I'm not sure that this is correct, or anywhere near it, but it's just a thought. My best statement of this: Ask a professional attorney.

Optime Vale in Pace Sui Aeterna,

Nero

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] An Q. Fabius Rullianus - To Q. Fabius Rullianus
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:13:30 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
>
>a perfect mail indeed. A lesson of Roman virtues.
>
To continue the polyglotism: Il se present comme vainqueur mais en v�rit� il ne'st que le sens anglais du mot prononc� en fa�on latin...
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	FW: Re: [Nova-Roma] The word of an interpreter
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:24:49 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : �M. Octavius Solaris� <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
>
>><<... translation of the creed that �Spiritus sanctus procedat de patre
>>filioQUE�, the Greek having no �and�, ...>>
>>
>>Kai su, teknon? The Greek did have �and�.
>>
>Which scarcely explains the centuries of mutaul heresy charges for Charlemagne's insistance on putting it in!
>Or did you misread that the Greek language had no word equivalent to the enclitic ~que?
>Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI: QUARTERS!!!
From:	"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@inicia.es>
Date:	Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:07:55 -0000

Avete, cives!

These are the results in the races today, the 1st day of the Ludi
Romani. The Gods were favorable for the great Russata and Praesina, a
solitary blue still raises the flag of the Veneta for the semifinals,
while in the Albata... well, the white boys were very generous with
their rivals.

Salix Galaicus
scriba cursus equorum (the scribe of the races)

GROUP A

Inexpugnabilis
driver: Ignis
by Caius Curius Saturninus
Race tactic: (1)

Fulminatora
driver: Remus
by Sextus Arminius Remus
Race tactic: (3)

Furor Teutonicus
driver: Scissor Obscurvs Northmannvs
by Alexander Solaris Draco
Race tactic: (5)

Spureus
driver: Manibus The Nubian
by L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
Race tactic: (1)

1st: Accident!
2nd: Inexpugnabilis
3th: Accident!
4th: Fulminatora

GO IN SEMIFINALS: Inexpugnabilis and Fulminatora

The first race has been a scandal! A man has been arrested while he
was trying to sabotage the car Inexpugnabilis, of Curius
Saturninus.The man has confessed, after horrible tickling in the
plant of the feet, that Arminius Remus asked him to sabotage the
green or blue chariots of his group. Arminius denied any knowledge
with clear and great rhetoric: "NO and NO, again NO!". But he has
been reminded... It seems that the day will be very hard between reds
and greens.
The race begins and the public screams in favor of each color.
Spureus takes advantage, followed of Furor Teotonicus, of Solaris
Draco. But when Furor approaches Spureus, its driver tries to push it
against the wall and both chariots hit with terrible force. Both
drivers are saved but a wheel of the red Furor flies and falls down
in the steps, hurting several green spectators. The green hatred
against the "Russata" factio increases very much, but the win of
Inexpugnabilis calms for the present time its revenge. The
Fulminatora of the "innocent" Arminius is second!

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GROUP B

Fulmen Viridis
driver: Nemo Ulysses
by Manius Villius Limitanus
Race tactic: (1)

Ius Sanguinis
driver: Hermanus Martianus
by Marcus Arminius Maior
Race tactic: (1)

Massilia
driver: Leonnatos
by Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Race tactic: (6)

Hermes
driver: Tempora Fugit
by Titus Octavius Pius
Race tactic: (2)

1st: Accident!
2nd: Ius Sanguinis
3th: Accident!
4th: Massilia

GO IN SEMIFINAL: Ius Sanguinis and Massilia

This group is the example of the red force: the tactics of the
Russata seems to run! In this race the reds have been the best again,
but because of the failures of their rivals. The white Hermes smashed
on the spina and it caused the Fulmen Viridis's crash on the wall.
The anger of the greens and whites was so big that almost they
crucify a gentleman with red cloak, but the majority preferred to
throw stones to the red steps, shouting them "Overbearing!".
The reds laugh with omnipotence.

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GROUP C

Volatilis
driver: Pelops Celer
by Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Race tactic: (1)

Proeliator
driver: Gustavus Barbarus
by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Race tactic: (2)

Impactus Infrenatus
driver: Concordius
by Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
Race tactic: (6)

1st: Proliaetor
2nd: Accident!
3th: Volatilis

GO IN SEMIFINAL: Proliaetor and Volatilis

Another win for the reds. This looks like an abuse. Some togati
members of the Jury are investigating about this number of Reds so
high. However there is nothing, the Russata seems to be sure to win
in each race. The red steps celebrate another party while the rest of
the circus asks to the Gods for a piece of glory. At least one green
was second, because the white "Impactus Infrenatus" honored its name
hitting against the spina, the wall, two elephants of the Circus, a
wardrobe and the lavatories.

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GROUP D

Basilea
driver: Septimius Raurax v
by Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Race tactic: (6)

Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)

The Sunburst
driver: Arbogast
by Sextus Cornelius Cotta
Race tactic: (3)

1st: Basilea
2nd: Hyacintha Magna
3th: The Sunburst

GO IN SEMIFINAL: Basilea and Hyacintha Magna

Where is the show?? Where the accidents, the blood in the Circus, the
damnaged chariot, the drivers begging for revenge? This is what the
public want. But this race is a show of speedy, honest and good
drivers like priests, damn! So, a race without accidents and with
surprise: the red chariot was not the first one. The fast Basilea
gave the victory to the factio Praesina in a hard struggle with the
red Hyacintha Magna, while the blue Sunburst troted very happy under
the sun all the afternoon. Maybe its driver is too much bucholic and
slightly practical.
The greens smile a bit with this victory, but they are still very
angry.

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GROUP E

Essedum
driver: Italicus
by Manius Constantinus Serapio
Race tactic: (1)

Fausta Aeterna
driver: Porsenna Halemarianus
by Lucius Arminius Faustus
Race tactic: (2)

Aquilifer
driver: Miles Gloriosus
by M. Minicius Rufus
Race tactic: (1)

1st: Aquilifer
2nd: Accident!
3th: Essedum

GO IN SEMIFINAL: Aquilifer and Essedum

When Italicus and Miles Gloriosus have entried in the Circus, the
public have thought: "They're too old to run, go home". But keep
attenction, they have the experience to win and Italicus is a real
champion! It returns the custom. The veteran and great champion
Aquilifer obtains another victory for the reds in a good race. The
second one is another good veteran, the green Essedum, while Fausta
Aeterna obtains the eternity smashing noisily on the wall . The
public enjoyed very much with another red win, but the greens, a bit
furious, tried to lynch a clown with red nose.

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GROUP F

Leo
driver: Titus Lupercia Silo
by N. Cassius Niger
Race tactic: (2)

Sagitta Russata
driver: Marcus Iulius Perusianus
by Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Race tactic: (6)

Attia Clusia
driver: Clodius Rufus
by Appius Arminius Claudianus
Race tactic: (1)

1st: Leo
2nd: Sagitta Russata
3th: Accident!

GO IN SEMIFINAL: Leo and Sagitta Russata

The Semifinals gave the impression of an red "affaire", but Praesina
is stronger and another green breaking the red hegemony. The chariot
Leo, led by Lupercia Silo, win the race with clear advantage on the
second chariot, the red Sagitta Russata, that today it seemed
a "sagitta" very slow and without top. But at least it came to the
goal and it didnt went too close to the spina as its companion Attia
Clusia "The Closer" in the last lap.

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GROUP G

Delecta Mea
driver: Scorpianus
by Jullila Sempronia Magna
Race tactic: (2)

Italica
driver: Equus Erectus
by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Race tactic: (5)

Metella Maxima
driver: Aegeus
by Lucius Arminius Metellus
Race tactic: (3)

1st: Delecta Mea
2nd: Accident!
3th: Italica

GO IN SEMIFINAL: Delecta Mea and Italica

Another victory for the greens, who have left their ideas about the
lynching of red beings. Certainly, the second one has been a red, but
at least the semi-finals will have two colors and not only one. The
red Metella Maxima tried to push Delecta Mea against the wall but the
veteran green driver Scorpianus avoided the crash and forced his
rival Aegeus to bite the sand of the circus. It was a hard snack for
the red, he lost three teeth, he, he.

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GROUP H

Apollo Victor
driver: Afer Magnus
by Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Race tactic: (6)

Aenglish Wildfire
driver: Diarmuid
by Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
Race tactic: (3)

Gladius Albus
driver: Damnator
by Marcus Octavius Solaris
Race tactic: (4)

1st: Accident!
2nd: Aenglish Wildfire
3th: Apollo Victor

GO IN SEMIFINAL: Aenglish Wildfire and Apollo Victor

Incredible, a blue winner. The miracles exist! The Gods have helped
the little team! Aenglish Wildfire and its driver Diarmud are the new
hero of the Veneta. The driver of Gladius Albus, the evil Damnator,
tried to lash his rivals the whole race, but his whip jabbered on a
statue of the spina and suffered a showy accident. All the public
applauded his effort for doing a good spectacle, though his owner
tried to strangle him for being so stupid. The second chariot was (of
course) a red, the veteran Apollo Victor, droven by the champion Afer
Magnus. Another member for the Red Armada in the semifinals.