Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tribunes
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:44:49 -0000
Salvete Senator Audens and Vibi Ambrosi,

Thank you very much for taking your time and effort to anwer my
questions on the Tribunes. I remember in Roman movies over the years
that whenever a soldier was to be made Tribune he was as proud as
someone who was just named emperor. I now see the differences between
the two offices and am happy to be better educated on this matter.
Thank you again to the others that answered my question as well.

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 155
From: Nurmi Husa <polymath@pacifier.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:30:09 -0700
AVE, VIBIUS AMBROSIUS!


At 11:16 PM +0000 9/13/02, me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> For some interesting views of insulting cognomina like Sesquiculus
>and Porcella, see Colleen McCullough's series starting 'First Man in
>Rome' (about Sulla) and so far extending through 4 thick complex
>novels to J.Caesar and the Rubicon: "Let the dice fly!" (in
>Menander's original Greek), not "The die is cast"

At the risk of further offending the nobilissimus who so graciously
invited me to discontinue this discussion - may I say I am very
familiar with McCullough's wonderful series. Good history and a
rollicking good read. And I particularly appreciate her attempt to
help the modern reader understand the punning and linguistic play
that characterized the Latin of the Golden and Silver Ages.

Many folk believe, and incorrectly so, that Latin speakers were only
capable of rising to a stodgy pomposity. (Ah, well, Art like Life is
a Reflective Medium.) Witness the number of folks who complain about
Lindsey Davis' delightful creation, Marcus Didius Falco. Oh, he is
too URBAN, too CYNICAL, too MODERN! They obviously have never read
Catullus or Martial. Or perhaps they have, but can't "get" them. I
say leave them to the drier bits of Augustan propaganda littering
Vergilius - or to the Trajanic respectability of Plinius the Younger.
Dogforbid they be introduced to an unBowdlerized Petronius or
Plautus!!!

Nothing could be more Roman than the epithets Sesquiculus and
Porcella. Romans didn't have our squeamishness about life and
language. Or about one's - ahem - ablutions. For example, it appears
they didn't find unisex latrina the end of civilisation. Quite the
opposite. They seem to have considered a properly constructed latrine
an achievement of the highest order and something
That-Separated-Us-From-Them. Better that we all move together, than
apart - as it were...

But we live in a world today that is scandalized to learn that the
Romans painted their statues in vivid and - ahem - appropriate
colors. The Rhomaioi were a very lively group of people - sadly,
they've been vouchsafed into the hands of pedants for far too long.
Sigh...

I am also familiar with Bryson. Very amusing fellow.

As for the delicate dance that is required to speak Japanese -
there's a subject and a half! This Gaijin won't even try to make
sense of that. <g>



VALE!


nurmi husa
a.k.a. cn. mallius occho saturninus (pending...)


P.S. I am amused to note that discoursing genially regarding the
vagaries of language can be considered more offensive than
rhapsodizing about folks who, say, flounce about in faux armor and
pretend to beat someone up. I think all such subjects (and more!) are
worthy of attention. Just because something might not appeal to me,
doesn't inspire me to ban it from the rostra.

But I'm dangerous that way.

(And in others... <g>)


Subject: [Nova-Roma] RE-military history 101-102-103
From: "grizzlybear19602002" <larrythebear@askmamafreeman.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:38:27 -0000
If I may ask the person giving the military history course if he
would be so kind as to re send the address to where one could find
the source materials for the class I would be very greatfull. I tried
the address that was sent, but only got to the yahoo page.
I don't know if I wrote the address down wrong or what. I would
appreciate any help that you could give.
Thank you very much.
Laurenicus Flavius Magus.




Subject: [Nova-Roma] Goddess Deteriorating in Maryland
From: "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:03:03 -0000
Salvete,

In the late 19th century, a school for girls was founded in the
Forest Glen area of Silver Spring Maryland. The grounds were
decorated with buildings of different architechural styles and many
statues.

Today the grounds are owned by the US Army and is largely
negelected. The budings are falling apart, and many of the statues
have been stolen or damaged.

A few weeks ago I went snooping there in search of Minerva and her
sister Silva. After some effort, I found them. Minerva is in pretty
decent shape, but shows some deterioration from being next to the
Beltway traffic. Silva is much worse off. She is pretty well hidden
now by branches and bushes, and one of her arms is broken.

I have put together a JPEG image of Silva which shows her in the
early 20th century, and as she appears today from approx. the same
position. I will happily email this "then and now" JPEG to anyone who
may like to see it.

Gaius Cassius Nerva



Subject: Re: Re: [Nova-Roma] The word of an interpreter
From: "M. Octavius Solaris" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:08:23 +0200
Salve Vibi Ambrosi,

> >Which scarcely explains the centuries of mutaul heresy charges for
Charlemagne's insistance on putting it in!
> >Or did you misread that the Greek language had no word equivalent to the
enclitic ~que?

MOS: Ahh, I see now. Yes, I misread :).

Vale bene,
Solaris


Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI: QUARTERS!!!
From: "M. Octavius Solaris" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:48:51 +0200
Salvete Quirites!

This is a conspiracy against Albata and Veneta! I demand justice!

Valete bene,
M. Octavius Solaris
(who might strangle Damnator ;))


Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI: QUARTERS!!! LONG LIVE RUSSATA!
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:05:34 +0200
Salvete Quirites!

I am proud to be a Russata chariot owner. I can truely say that I
believe that the Russata have deserved all our victories by hard work
and skillful driving!

LONG LIVE RUSSATA!
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

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Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Goddess Deteriorating in Maryland
From: jo mama <minervalis02@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:52:53 -0700 (PDT)

--- gcassiusnerva <gcassiusnerva@cs.com> wrote:
> I have put together a JPEG image of Silva which
> shows her in the
> early 20th century, and as she appears today from
> approx. the same
> position. I will happily email this "then and now"
> JPEG to anyone who
> may like to see it.
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva
>
> Salve,
Please send it to me.

Minervalis
>


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] RE-military history 101-102-103
From: MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:20:50 -0400 (EDT)
Master Laurenicus Flavius Magnus;

The person who is teaching the subject courses is Marcus Minucius
Audens. The weblist associated with the subject courses which contains
the preliminary explanation of the directions and expectations of the
courses as well as the text and other references is:

at3mili1@yahoogroups.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/at3mili1

This weblist is normally placed at the disposal of any person
registering for the course through the Academia Thule. If you are
having trouble accessing the list, I refer you to the Academia Triumvirs
Astur or Saturnius, to which this message is also addressed, and who
ultimately control course registration. I also forward your message to
them directly to render such assistance as may be necessary for your
immediate weblist access.

Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;

Academia Leader for Military History and Archaeolgy Lines of Study --
Academia Thule -- Nova Roma

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Come on Veneta!
From: "curiobritannicus" <Marcusaemiliusscaurus@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:43:33 -0000
Salvete omnes,

Come on Veneta! We may only have 1 chariot in the semi-finals, my
already-rewarded Diarmuid, but he's already marked out as the clear
winner! Come on, fans of the excellent Veneta, cheer on our only
hope!

GO VENETA!

Bene valete,
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.


Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI: QUARTERS!!!
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:14:12 +0200
Salve Amici!

I would like to see the Factio of each chariot oin the race reports.
Would it be possible?
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules

Subject: [Nova-Roma] THE OPENING OF THE LUDI ROMANI CIRCENSES
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:07:27 +0200
Salvete Quirites!

I HEREBY OPEN THE SEMIFINALS OF THE LUDI ROMANI CIRCENSES!

This Semifinals of the Ludi Circenses will start today the 15th of
September. Please get to the Circus again and support your own
faction!!!

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Demographic Data
From: "Claudius Salix Davianus" <salixdavianus@terra.es>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:15:27 +0200
Population of some Roman cities around 100 AD:

Roma 650 000
Alexandria 400 000
Ephesus 200 000
Antiochia 150 000
Apamea 125 000
Pergamum 120 000
Sardinia(?) 100 000
Corinthus 100 000
Gadir 100 000
Memphis 90 000
Carthago 90 000
Edesa 80 000
Syracusae 80 000
Smyrna 75 000
Cesarea Maritima 45 000
Damascus 45 000
Corduba 45 000
Mediolanum 40 000
Augustodunum 40 000
Londinum 40 000
Salamina 35 000
Athenae 35 000

(Source: Chandler & Fox, Three Thousand years of Urban Growth).

Cl. Salix Davianus

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 155
From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:16:29 +0100 (BST)
-----Original Message-----
>From : Nurmi Husa <polymath@pacifier.com>
>
>At the risk of further offending the nobilissimus who so graciously
>invited me to discontinue this discussion - may I say I am very
>familiar with McCullough's wonderful series. Good history and a
>rollicking good read. And I particularly appreciate her attempt to
>help the modern reader understand the punning and linguistic play
>that characterized the Latin of the Golden and Silver Ages.
>
Salve Nurmi
Another with the exppression 'Godforbid'! I wish that series had been available when I was taking Latin + history "From the death of Marius to the death of Nero". She certainly makes the characters live (in both pronunciations of the word).

>Lindsey Davis' delightful creation, Marcus Didius Falco. Oh, he is
>too URBAN, too CYNICAL, too MODERN! They obviously have never
I am very fond of that series too! People forget that these were *Italians*. Some years ago there was a blockbuster "The far arena". When the resuscitated gladiator reaches Italy he realises that the typical audience throwing money for street theatre now is the one he performed to in Domitian's day.

read
>Catullus or Martial. Or perhaps they have, but can't “get“ them. I

And certainly not Suetonius!

>That-Separated-Us-From-Them. Better that we all move together, than
>apart - as it were...
>
It's only recently a military latrine has been investigated on Hadrian's Wall. Interestingly, the seats are paired. Then too, someone I know bought an old chapel and outside that was a 19th century wooden-seater, also paired.

>But we live in a world today that is scandalized to learn that the
>Romans painted their statues in vivid and - ahem - appropriate
>
What would they have done with the garden Priapus or Greek Hermes I wonder?
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Things going on in Roma.
From: "grizzlybear19602002" <larrythebear@askmamafreeman.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:12:19 -0000
Not meaning to sound old hat or anything. Just wondering if any one
had any more up-to-date info on the restoration work going on at the
Colesseum, and the Mousoleums of Augustus and Hadrian.
Salutant Romani.
May the Gods of Ancient Roma Bless you all.
Laurenicus Flavius Magus.



Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 155
From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:43:07 EDT
In a message dated 9/14/02 3:17:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
me-in-@disguise.co.uk writes:


> What would they have done with the garden Priapus

Salvete. Have a Priapus. Keeps the crows away.

Valete


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