Subject:	[Nova-Roma] AT LAST!!!! Roman Music Available!
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:10:32 EDT

Salvete,

Great news! The "Somnia Imperii" CD album is finally out, and can be
purchased online directly through Pay Pal!

Check out the URL: http://www.ancestral.co.uk/romanmusic.htm

The Roman music on this CD is incredible. Unlike "Synaulia", (which used
period instruments but didn't try to 'recreate' accurate ancient music)
"Somnia Imperii" seems to be an excellent approximation of real, lyrical
music from the Roman period.

There are a few hints of what Roman music was probably like - survivals into
the Byzantine and Medieval periods, as well as some Greek music (actually
written for the Emperor Hadrian) which has survived in note form. This CD is
the "genuine article" in that it conforms to all known 'music patterns' of
the Roman period.

"Somnia Imperii" just the kind of music that the Ancient Romans would have
heard in Roma Antiqua... even if it might be 'new' songs rather than familiar
ones that an ancient Roman would have recognized. IMHO this album is a must
for anyone wanting authentic background music for a Roman event, Religio
ritual, etc.

WHEN YOU ORDER - please DO say you heard about this through Nova Roma. Even
though we're not getting any money from this, it would be great for NR to
have a good relationship with such excellent musicians. Maybe someday we'll
have them playing live at some NR event...

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] AT LAST!!!! Roman Music Available!
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:03:14 -0500

Salvete Omnes,
I just went and ordered this album. From the samples
on the website this ought to be a fantasic album. And I
did mention Nova Roma.


Sextus Cornelius Cotta


--
Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Nova Roma

iChat/AIM: WyrdCharlie

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Things going on in Roma.
From:	StarVVreck@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:24:11 EDT

Salve Laurencius Flavius Magus,

I was in Rome just last April. There's a floor over roughly 1/4 (memory
estimate) of the arena grounds of the Coloseum, "recreating" the original
Colloseum floor, and there's a walk-way going straight through the middle of
the longer way so you can look straight down into the underbelly of the
Colloseum which you couldn't before except from the sides. There's also a
book store on the 2nd level, as though it were a shopping mall. There were
several LARGE sections of the Colloseum closed off with tarps and I could see
a few dozen workers working in various parts of the Colloseum. As far as the
Mousoleums of Augustus and Hadrian, the day I went to see them I didn't see
any restorations taking place.

Vale,

Iulius Titinius Antonius

In a message dated 9/14/2002 7:19:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
larrythebear@askmamafreeman.com writes:


> Not meaning to sound old hat or anything. Just wondering if any one
> had any more up-to-date info on the restoration work going on at the
> Colesseum, and the Mousoleums of Augustus and Hadrian.
> Salutant Romani.
> May the Gods of Ancient Roma Bless you all.
> Laurenicus Flavius Magus.
>



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Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[Nova-Roma]=20Re:=20=F6ffentliche=20anschul?=
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:33:23 EDT

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the citizens of Nova Roma. Salvete.

Having followed the thread from the "noble" gentleman with the marvelous
lineage, I can only conclude that his family tree must run in a double
spiral. I have never seen such blatant and unpleasant behavior & language
from a citizen of Nova Roma (including some of the 'gems' that I have made)
and I would add my voice that he be banned from publishing any more items on
this site until it has been run past the censors and the translator. I am
very grateful that my knowledge of German ends with Beowulf because if I
understood more, I might die of terminal blushing. I hope that he sees a
specialist soon or he may need to build a forum just for his ego. Valete.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Scribe Oath for Australia Province
From:	"M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:13:22 +1000

My apologies to fellow cives, I was meant to make this oath some time ago, but it slipped onto the backburner and has just re-surfaced.

Non-Australian cives can probably safely ignore this.

Marcus Flavius Aurelius
Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
ICQ: 4895187

Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur




I, Marcus Flavius Aurelius do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Flavius Aurelius swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Flavius Aurelius swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Flavius Aurelius swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Flavius Aurelius further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Scribe (Australia Province) to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Scribe (Australia Province) and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Things going on in Roma.
From:	Larry Freeman <larrythebear@askmamafreeman.com>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:16:36 -0400

At 09:24 PM 9/14/02 -0400, you wrote:
Salve Iulius Titinius Antonius,
Tibi gratias ago. Thank you very much for the reply to my question about
the restorations going on in Roma. What do you thimk the workers were doing
in the closed off portion of the Coloseum? would be interesting to know
would it not? well thats all for mow. Thank you again for your reply. May
the GODS of Roma Bless You.
Vale.
Laurenicus Flavius Magus.

>Salve Laurencius Flavius Magus

>I was in Rome just last April. There's a floor over roughly 1/4 (memory
>estimate) of the arena grounds of the Coloseum, "recreating" the original
>Colloseum floor, and there's a walk-way going straight through the middle of
>the longer way so you can look straight down into the underbelly of the
>Colloseum which you couldn't before except from the sides. There's also a
>book store on the 2nd level, as though it were a shopping mall. There were
>several LARGE sections of the Colloseum closed off with tarps and I could see
>a few dozen workers working in various parts of the Colloseum. As far as the
>Mousoleums of Augustus and Hadrian, the day I went to see them I didn't see
>any restorations taking place.
>
>Vale,
>
>Iulius Titinius Antonius
>
>In a message dated 9/14/2002 7:19:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>larrythebear@askmamafreeman.com writes:
>
>
> > Not meaning to sound old hat or anything. Just wondering if any one
> > had any more up-to-date info on the restoration work going on at the
> > Colesseum, and the Mousoleums of Augustus and Hadrian.
> > Salutant Romani.
> > May the Gods of Ancient Roma Bless you all.
> > Laurenicus Flavius Magus.
> >
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] History, defrosted.
From:	Nurmi Husa <polymath@pacifier.com>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:56:04 -0700

AVE VIBIUS AMBROSIUS!


> Another with the exppression 'Godforbid'! I wish that series had
>been available when I was taking Latin + history "From the death of
>Marius to the death of Nero". She certainly makes the characters
>live (in both pronunciations of the word).

Oscar Wilde said, "History is merely gossip." And once you suss that
out, it's endlessly fascinating. Three cheers for Suetonius!!! <evil
grin>


> >Lindsey Davis' delightful creation, Marcus Didius Falco. Oh, he is
>>too URBAN, too CYNICAL, too MODERN! They obviously have never
>I am very fond of that series too! People forget that these were *Italians*.

Well, yes... Sort of... Italians are the descendents of quite a few
peoples only a few of which were pure-blooded Roman. Shake that arbor
and find more than a few unwilling Sabine great-grandnonnies, you
know. (Sabine, Greek, Vandal, Celt, etc., etc.)


>Some years ago there was a blockbuster "The far arena". When the
>resuscitated gladiator reaches Italy he realises that the typical
>audience throwing money for street theatre now is the one he
>performed to in Domitian's day.

Is that the one where he's found on an ice floe or some such thing
and defrosted? I read that. Great book for capturing the culture
shock a Roman would have from today's culture. I remember how amazed
he was by how straight our edges were and how fine the glass had
become. And how at home he was in a basilica. <g>


>And certainly not Suetonius!

Certainly not!!! Horrors!!!

But they'd probably like Juvenal. I think he sounds like a Roman Rush
Limbaugh. Not funny unless you're an ignorant bigot. Ahem.


>It's only recently a military latrine has been investigated on
>Hadrian's Wall. Interestingly, the seats are paired.

Yep. Isn't that where they found the remains of the hard boiled eggs as well?


>Then too, someone I know bought an old chapel and outside that was a
>19th century wooden-seater, also paired.

I supposed if I'd grown up with the custom it might not seem so
distasteful, but... Oi!


>What would they have done with the garden Priapus or Greek Hermes I wonder?

One *can* use one's Priapus to hang one's sun hat when one is
finished with one's gardening.

There is that.


VALE!


*n*


nurmi husa
a.k.a. cn. mallius occho saturninus (pending, tap, tap, tap)

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Sodalitas Egressus / NR Land Project
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:22:25 -0400 (EDT)

Ladies and Gentlemen;

As I have indicated, I have had much encouragement to shift the NR Land
Project into the Sodalitas Egressus, and I await only the addition al
responses from those who have been most interested in the Project in
recent months. Again, I thank you for your positive comments and very
kind remarks.

One of the positions which will be part of the proposed NR Land Project
undertaking will be the Finance Officer, who will undertake to
investigate different means of acquiring the necessary finances in order
to carry out the proposed Land Project or some part of it. Once having
done the necesary financial research, he will in concert with the
remainder of the Project Senior Staff establish a proposed financial
plan, together with two alternate plans to be presented to the Project
Senior Staff for thier review. Upon the final decision / approval of
the Senior Staff for a set of Financial Plans, the Finance Officer will
be responsible for carrying out such a plan-set , and providing periodic
reports to the Senior Staff regarding the progress of same. Since the
work should be begun in my opinion, no matter where the NR Land Project
is finally established, and since we have discussed this project fully
over the last few months, and before that over the last years, it is my
belief that it is time to take some positive actionfor this project.

I am now very pleased to be able to appoint Praefectus Sextus Appolonius
Scipio of the Sodalitas Egressus to the temporary position of Finance
Officer for the NR Land Project in the Sodalitas Egressus. His duties
for the immediate period are outlined aove and he shall have the
privaledge of selcting two Scribae, one of which will be able to serve
in hs place should he not be available for any extended period.

I make this appointment through my authority as Praefectus of the
Sodalitas Egressus, for the purpose of beginning a long and
time-consuming job, while I await the above solicited responses.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens;

Praefectus Fabrum -- Sodalitas Egressus -- Nova Roma

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Librai-Major
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:56:48 -0400 (EDT)

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I was pleased again at the "Roman Market Days Event" in Wells, Maine to
again meet my good friend and colleague Senator Merrullus. We discussed
the growth of the Sodalitas Egressus during his house reconstruction
period, and I have asked him if he would be interested in a part in the
new Eggressus as we have proposed it's increased responsibilities. He
has indicated his interest in Latin, and in Egressus as well, and I am
pleased to appoint him to the position of Librai Major in the Sodalitas
Egressus, and a member of the Senior Staff. This appointment will
vacate the position of Primus Pilus in Egressus and as Praefectus
Fabrum, I formally remove that position from the Senior Staff of the
Sodalitas.

The position of Librai Major will undertake to make contacts for the
Sodalitas Egressus to organizations throughout the world who are
interested in the furtherence of the Latin Language, and introduce Nova
Roma to such organizations through his task as Librari Major, and
Sodalitas Egressus. He will also continue to act as he has done for
some time as Advisor to the Praefectus Fabrum. He shall have the
privaledge of appointing two Librai as assistants in this effort, one of
which should be designated to take his place, should he be absent over a
extended period.

I take particular pleasure in this appointment, inn that Senator
Merrullus has long been a trusted friend and colleague, and I have
sorely missed his common sense and his particular friendship.
____________________________

Beneficarius Strabo:

Please make the above indicated corrections in the Egressus Senior
Staff, and when you have some liesure please execute an Egressus Senior
Staff List similar to the one enjoyed by the Sodalitas Militarium.
Please notify me when theseactivities aree completed. My sincere thanks
for all your efforts.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens;

Praefectus Fabrum -- Sodalitas Egressus -- Nova Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Factions
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:18:06 -0400 (EDT)

Lades and Gentlemen;

I seek some information about the meaning of the various factions in
Rome which were and are again repesented in Ancient Rome, and in Rome
today by the different colors such as Red, Blue, Green, etc.;

Some questions to "prime the punp" if I may:

--Did the various colors under which the factions offered entries in the
games have any political / military / social / or ancestral meaning or
suggestion?

--What did the various colors stand for, where did they come from, and
why were they utilized?

--Since I am drawn to the color green (for no other reason than it
appeals to me) I wonder what connotations it would raise in the hearts
and minds of ancient ad modern romans were they to see such a flag
implanted outside of the tent of a Magistrate, Propraetor / ProConsul or
Senator?

--Is it simply an indication of a favorite, like those who in the modern
day favor a certain basketball, football or baseball team?

--I have heard that in modern Italy, fights and very aggressive behavior
has resulted from disagreements between followers of a different color.
Would this simply be similar to the international Soccer problems of
some time ago or has a given color a deeper and more subtle meaning?

I probably should have determined the answers to these questions some
time ago when I first cheered for the victory of the Greens, in a past
Ludi, but some private messages directed to myself, which were very
disagreeable at the time, have given me pause to contemplate that
perhaps these colors have a deeper meaning which is not currently at my
command.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: LUDI ROMANI: QUARTERS!!!
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:12:26 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar M. Octavio Solaris

> This is a conspiracy against Albata and Veneta! I demand justice!

What kinf of justice?! ;-)
Albata have given 4 chariots and there were only 2 for Veneta against 13 red
chariots!!!
This is not a conspiracy, it's a wrong strategy by this two Factiones.
I can say nothing about Albata, it runs since the first edition with few
chariots and with honor.
But what happen, blues? You have fear to run? :-)

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: LUDI ROMANI: QUARTERS!!!
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:15:03 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Caeso Fabio Quintiliano S.P.D.

> I would like to see the Factio of each chariot oin the race reports.
> Would it be possible?

Of course, I'll say it to Illustrus Gnaeus Salix Galaicus.

However you can see teh results and the tournament on the web too with
factiones and colours and schedules.
The Tournament is at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/tour.htm
The Quarters' results are at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/quarters.htm

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Container-Office!!!!
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:08:39 -0400 (EDT)

The "container building" was one which we saw used pretty extensively
when my wife and I were on the island of Aruba. They were indicative of
those who wanted a bungalow on or nearby the beach, and wanted a "NOW"
structue until a more formal building could be constructed. A kind of a
neat small and reasonably costing structure as a temporary way of
dealing with such was two such containers placed side by side on
concrete blocks, about 10-15 ft. apart, Two doors cut in the sidee
facing each other and some heavy timbers laid across the top of the
containers complete the task, A few fibre glass roofing sheets over the
timbers gives you two roomy areas and a very nice shaded portico, Doors
and windows couls be installed as needed by cutting the holes to size
and bolting window and door frames into place. As has been indicated
though, the containers do get hot when exposed to diect sunlight.
Placed in a shaded area, or with a "car-port" cover erected over them,
as in the desert areas here in the U.S. they would not be too awfully
bad..

Something to keep in mind -- thanks for the suggestion!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Factions
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:38:29 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, senator Audens.

--- jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:
> Lades and Gentlemen;
>
> I seek some information about the meaning of the various factions in
> Rome which were and are again repesented in Ancient Rome, and in Rome
> today by the different colors such as Red, Blue, Green, etc.;
>
> Some questions to "prime the punp" if I may:
>
> --Did the various colors under which the factions offered entries in
> the games have any political / military / social / or ancestral
> meaning or suggestion?

Yes, they did. In some periods of Roman history, the supporters of a
certain political faction would also support a certain colour in the
races.

> --What did the various colors stand for, where did they come from,
> and why were they utilized?

The colours represented different teams, just like in modern sports.
Originally there where two colours (red and white, if I am correct),
and two others (green and blue) where added in Republican times. In the
Empire, two additional teams (gold and purple) where sometimes added,
but they were not recieved with too much enthusiasm.

So the canonical factiones are: Albata (white), Veneta (blue), Prasina
(green) and Russata (red). There are no hidden meanings or abstract
concepts behind them; no more than behind the Boston Celtics or the
Paris Saint-Germain :-).

> --Since I am drawn to the color green (for no other reason than it
> appeals to me) I wonder what connotations it would raise in the
> hearts and minds of ancient ad modern romans were they to see such a
> flag implanted outside of the tent of a Magistrate, Propraetor /
> ProConsul or Senator?

In some periods, the Green was the factio of the populares :-).

And you wouldn't place a green flag outside your tent (or perhaps you
would; some Romans were much into hoologanism :-) ).

> --Is it simply an indication of a favorite, like those who in the
> modern day favor a certain basketball, football or baseball team?

Exactly. It is the same spirit :-).

> --I have heard that in modern Italy, fights and very aggressive
> behavior has resulted from disagreements between followers of a
> different color.
> Would this simply be similar to the international Soccer problems of
> some time ago or has a given color a deeper and more subtle meaning?

The meaning behind football violence is sometimes not as simple as it
might seem; and yes, modern football fans are extremely similar to
Roman race audiences.

> I probably should have determined the answers to these questions some
> time ago when I first cheered for the victory of the Greens, in a
> past Ludi, but some private messages directed to myself, which were
> very disagreeable at the time, have given me pause to contemplate
> that perhaps these colors have a deeper meaning which is not
> currently at my command.

Historically, it *could* mean that you supported a paricular political
factio. But it could be that you just loved green :-).
Modern football fanatism is extremely similar in all aspects; for
example, the followers of the Glasgow Rangers are protestant, while the
followers of the Glasgow Celtics are catholic. But you can choose your
team for completely different reasons.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Water Supply / Roman Names
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:41:02 -0400 (EDT)

Citizens;

A clean supply of water will certainly be required for any land use
consideration, as mentioned recently by a citizen of Nova Roma. This
should be placed on the "Must Have" List. Research Officer, Serapio
please retrieve the "Must Have, Should Have, and May Have" List from the
archives, add this item to it and place the list in the files, and send
a copy to Beneficarius Strabo as well. For the moment I add the above
list to your duties and responsibilities, to upgrade with the past
suggestions and any new ones recently identified. Use your own ideas as
to which items to place in what category. We will review the list when
all the positions on the staff are filled, to try and gain concurrence.

Please let me know when those actions are completed.

I shall be pleased to entertain any roman names for the Staff Positions
of the temporary appointments for the NR Land Project / Egressus
Proposal. The positions are "Finance (Quaestor??), Research (Librari,
Investigatior??), Design (Architechturas??), Construction (Structor,
Conditor, Aedificator??). May I have some assistance from those who are
fluent in Latin, on this problem, please?

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Factions
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:56:23 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Marco Minucio Audens S.P.D.

Salve, Illustrus Amice, I try to answer you as one of the organizer
of teh Ludi Circenses.

> --Did the various colors under which the factions offered entries
in the
> games have any political / military / social / or ancestral meaning
or
> suggestion?

The colours are not a political, military or social symbol for the
Factiones. It's right saying that each Factio is of a social (or
political) class. For example the Veneta (Blue) is the Factio of the
Equestres and the Praesina (Green) of the Patrices. However the
FActiones have changed in the time and for example the Emperor
Caligola loved the Albata team (white).

> --What did the various colors stand for, where did they come from,
and
> why were they utilized?

Yes, it seems that the Ludi Circenses have a connection with the
astrology. So, in this rapresentation of the Universe, the
charioteers weared the colours of the four seasons: white for the
winter, green for spring, red for summer, blue for autumn.

You can read a wonderful report about the Ludi Circenses in Ancient
Rome written by our friend Illustrus Manius Constantinus Serapio.
I have inserted the text in the bottom of the message.

> --Since I am drawn to the color green (for no other reason than it
> appeals to me) I wonder what connotations it would raise in the
hearts
> and minds of ancient ad modern romans were they to see such a flag
> implanted outside of the tent of a Magistrate, Propraetor /
ProConsul or
> Senator?

Sorry, my english is not so good and I didn't understood this period.
I don't understand what is the link between the flag on the tent and
the Factiones.

> --Is it simply an indication of a favorite, like those who in the
modern
> day favor a certain basketball, football or baseball team?

.... What? I don't know how this games run. I'm italian and we love
soccer, as many Europeans. If you know it, you can understand better
the Factiones. In fact there are a lot of teams with typical colours,
each team is about a city or a social class or a sponsor, etc.
Each supporter love everything about the Team and the symbols.
I thing you can understand how the Ludi Circenses run observing the
supporting in the Forumula 1: Italians love the red of Ferrari,
Germans love silver of McLaren-Mercedes, etc.

> --I have heard that in modern Italy, fights and very aggressive
behavior
> has resulted from disagreements between followers of a different
color.

No no, there weren't in Italy. Or better, this event are common in
Europe (see the famous Hooligans). But in everyway this is feeling of
competition, of being in a side against another side.
We don't have fights or aggressions in all the stadiums, it's an
occasional and rare event.

> Would this simply be similar to the international Soccer problems of
> some time ago or has a given color a deeper and more subtle meaning?

As I have said, this is an international problem. I thing the italian
soccer supporters, like spanish or french, are the most quite. I
thing there are other Country where there are more dangerous fans.

> I probably should have determined the answers to these questions
some
> time ago when I first cheered for the victory of the Greens, in a
past
> Ludi, but some private messages directed to myself, which were very
> disagreeable at the time, have given me pause to contemplate that
> perhaps these colors have a deeper meaning which is not currently
at my
> command.

I'm very displeased for this and please take my apologizes. I thing
this comments were only a joke because this Ludi are ONLY A VIRTUAL
GAME. The Cohors Aedilis improves the number and the emotions of the
supporters, but we want a funny game with sporting and correct
supporters.
In the same way, this is a game and in this joke you could answer in
a same tone ;-)

I hope you thing better about the Factiones and you'll partecipe in
the next Ludi in November. Please, if you have other problems or
doubts contact me.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Quaestor and Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

----------------------------
AVETE OMNES

Here there is a text composed by our Dominus Factionis Saturninus
and myself about the chariot races. It is very interesting and
provides raher curious information!
Enjoy the Summer Camp of the Factio Praesina!!!!!!!!

VALETE BENE
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Winner of the Floreales Ludi Circenses

--------------------------------

The first-century CE satirist Juvenal wrote, "Long ago the people
shed their anxieties, ever since we do not sell our votes to anyone.
For the people-who once conferred imperium, symbols of office,
legions, everything-now hold themselves in check and anxiously desire
only two things, the grain dole and chariot races in the Circus"
(Satires 10.77-81).

Juvenal's famous phrase, "panem et circenses" (bread and circuses)
has become proverbial to describe those who give away significant
rights in exchange for material pleasures. Juvenal has put his finger
on two of the most important aspects of Roman chariot races-their
immense popularity and the pleasure they gave the Roman people, and
the political role they played during the empire in diverting
energies that might otherwise have gone into rioting and other forms
of popular unrest.

-The origin:

Possibly the oldest spectacular sport in Rome, chariot racing dates
back at least to the sixth century BCE. It was quite popular among
the Etruscans, an advanced civilization of non-Italic people who for
a time dominated the area around Rome and contributed greatly to many
aspects of Roman civilization. We can also see depictions of chariot
racing among the Lucanians of Sicily in the fifth century BCE. Among
these peoples, races were associated with funeral games, and in Rome
too (where they were first started in a marshland between the
Palatine and the Aventine hill by shepherds and farmers) they had
religious ties, particularly to the chariot-driving deities Sol (the
sun) and Luna (the moon), and to a god called Consus, an agricultural
deity who presided over granaries. Originally chariot races (ludi
circenses) were held only on religious festivals like the Consualia,
and they were stern competition, which people assisted to with a
religious attitude in order to gain the favour of the gods. But later
they would also be held on non-feast days when sponsored by
magistrates and other Roman dignitaries. People will get excited by
the
result of the competitions, in particular when bets
will start (sponsiones); however the atmosphere will
always keep a certain religiousness, as we can argue
from the presence of the emperor and of the highest
magistrates, and from the habit of wearing the toga
like during solemn circumstances.

However the races have their roots in astrology and in
the representation of the cycle of seasons, as we can
argue from the arena and from the course of the race:
starting from the twelve constellations (the twelve
gates where the chariots waited for the start), the
charioteer (the sun), wearing one of the four seasons
(white-winter, green-spring, red-summer, blue-autumn),
started his route around the Earth (the track) and the
sea (the protection ditch to protect spectators),
following the orbit of the seven planets (the seven
lap of the competition).
As to the number of the factiones, we know that
Diocletian added two new ones, the "Purpurea" and the
"Aurata", that just lasted until his death.

-About the buildings:

Circuses were large entertainment buildings used first and foremost
for races with four-horse (quadrigae) or two-horse (bigae) chariots,
but on particular occasions even six- eight- or ten-horse chariots
(decemiuges). Circus Maximus was almost the only one of the famous
circuses that was used as a venue for other kind of activity as well
(ridden horse races, races of horseback riders who dismounted to
complete the race on foot, boxing, wrestling and long distance
running, Troy Game, wild beast hunts, gladiatiorial combats, staged
battles between opposing armies etc.) The Circus Maximus was the
oldest entertainment arena in Rome and unlike other entertainment
facilities men and women were permitted to sit together. The Circus
Maximus was also the oldest circus in Roman empire, first built on
the wood, but rebuilt several times. The oldest record of
construction in the Circus dates back to the 6th century BC, to the
times of the Etruscan kings. The Circus Maximus was destroyed by fire
twice and at least on two occasions the stands collapsed killing many
people. The Circus had no raised embankment so the floods of Tiber
affected it regulary. The last race in Circus was held in 599 AD,
nearly a full millenium after the track's construction!

-Construction of the Circus:

A circus consists of two parallel terraces facing each other along
the longer sides of the track (arena). These were connected at one
end by a sharp curve in the terrace (cavea), facing the stables at
the other end, from which protruded the central wall to the metae at
either end.

The architect's first task was to ensure that each team had to travel
essentially the same distance from start to finish of the race. There
were basically three choices: it could take the form of a continuous
circle, a large oval with several gentle curves and several straight
sectors, or it could follow the Greek example of a relatively narrow
and long arena with a turning post at the far end and a second at the
near end if more than one lap was to be run. The two turning posts
could be connected by a continuous mound or wall if the architect
wished. This was almost always done because it eliminated the
possibility of head-on collisions and reduced the distraction
experienced by horses seeing another team coming at them at a close
range. The floor of the circus was always made of sand, this was to
absorb the blood.

The Circus Maximus was laid out in the Murcia Valley between the
Palatine and the Aventine hills. It was built into a hillside.
Material that was dug out was used to create support on the other
side of the building. Seats ran in tiers around the U-shaped arena
(except at the open end). A fence ran down the middle- called a spina-
to make laps. By the time of Augustus, the entire building was 620
meters long (678 yards) and about 140-150 meters (159 yards) at its
widest point; its seating capacity was approximately 250,000
spectators.
It had twelve starting boxes set out on an oblique curving line to
compensate for the starting handicap.

-Circus vs. Stadia:

Stadia, being long and narrow buildings with at least one
semicircular end, are rather similar to the layout of the circuses
and have often been confused with them. However, there are several
important differences. The arena of the stadium was generally close
to one stade in length (circumference of 180-200m), less than half
that of a monumental circus. Its arena was also much narrower than
that of a circus (circumference of 30m compared to 70m). Stadia would
have had lanes marked out the full length of the arena and a turning
post at each end of each lane, whereas Roman circuses in their fully
developed form had a continuous barrier which separated the arena
into two separate tracks and, at each end of that long barrier, a
single set of turning posts around which all the chariots turned.

The circus is a much larger establishment than the stadium because
the building had to accommodate the speed and size of the chariots.
Essentially the circus is just a stadium with an overgrown track, the
carcers were offset to compensate for the shorter length of the
inside track, and the spina ran down the center to allow for
continuous motion of the race.

-Types of Lines and Internal Details:

The laps run by the chariots were measured by moveable eggs (emblems
of Castor and Pollux) and dolphins (emblem of Neptune). Castor,
Pollux, and Neptune were the three gods that looked after the horses.

There were three types of lines used in the circus:
The first group of white lines were the lines which began from the
starting gates and served to mark the lanes of the teams during the
opening part of the race. Their purpose was clearly to prevent some
charioteers from cutting in and heading straight for the right-hand
edge of the near turning posts. This would cause collisions at the
very start of the race and spoil the fun for the spectators.

The next group of lines crossed the lanes at right angles and marked
the "break-line"- the point at which the chariots were allowed to
leave their lanes and head for the inside position.

The finishing line was often at the near end of the barrier in the
left-hand track. This is said to be a good location because, having
crossed the line there, the charioteers were able to slow down
gradually in the long straight stretch between the near meta and the
starting gates. However, there is much argument about where else the
finishing lines were placed and which methods worked best.

The white lines were made from any number of things. Early on, they
were called calx or creta. The lines could have been made from a type
of lime, a chalk or fine whitish clay, or a white tape held down at
various points.

-Differences between Greek and Roman chariot racing:

Greek racing was entirely in the hands of the private owners, not
professional organisations like the Roman Circus factiones. At
Olympia, the wealthy classes monopolized the equestrian events until
the end. Greek races frequently had a large number of teams competing
in a race. Races with ridden horses were more important for the
Greeks than Romans. Very little permanent architecture existed in the
Greek hippodrome whereas Roman Circus was entirely built. Greek
hippodromes also had no continuous barrier dividing the arena in two
like the Roman circuses. Also between each Greek hippodrome the
lenghth and width of the racing track varied more than in Roman
circuses.

-The competition:

The ceremonies began with an elaborate procession (pompa) headed by
the dignitary who was sponsoring the games, followed by the
charioteers and teams, musicians and dancers, and priests carrying
the statues of the gods and goddesses who were to watch the races.
The procession came into the circus through the triumphal arch, and
after its conclusion, in front of the terrace of the authorities,
the charioteers went to the starting points, established at random.
In every team there were a "familia quadrigaria" (which the "aurigae"
or charioteers came from), that had its own building (the "Stabulum
Factionis") and also included the "conditores" or
guardians, the "sellarii" and the "margaritarii", that
had to deal with harnessing the horses (also with
pearls, in latin "margaritae"), doctors, veterinaries,
the "villici", that provided forage, the
"sarcinatores" or tailors, the "fabri tignarii" or
carpenters, the "fabri ferrarii" or blacksmiths, etc.
In addition every factio had a superintendent called
"Dominus Factionis".
Once the horses were ready, the white cloth (mappa) was dropped, the
gates were sprung, and up to twelve teams of horses thundered onto
the track. The
chariots covered part of the first lap following a given trajectory,
in order to avoid accidents at the beginning.Then the strategy was to
avoid running too fast at the beginning of the race, since seven full
laps had to be run (the race track was 2000 feet long, running 7 laps
is about 3 miles) , but to try to hold a position close to the
barrier and round the turning posts as closely as possible without
hitting them. As the race progressed, passions were intense both on
and off the track.
The "aurigae" wore a tunica with his team's colors, a helmet made of
leather, a corselet to protect his ribs, and carried a whip. To
protect his legs he wore leather leggings. They led their light
chariots standing up, with the rein in the left hand and the whip in
the right one.
The number of laps completed in the race was measured by a rack of
dolphins which would tip once a circuit was made. (The dolphins
represented Neptune, who created the horse)
The most difficult moment (and so, the most exciting
one) was the overcoming of the two extremities (metae)
of the "spina" (the podium that longitudinally divided
the circus: it was here that the charioteer could show
his own abilities in choosing the right trajectory,
but it also was very important the role of the horses,
in particular the external ones (the left-hand one
was called "funalis") that had to guarantee the
roadholding, because the chariot risked overturning.
In case of an accident (naufragium), anyway, the
charioteer had the opportunity of limiting damages
cutting the rein with a dagger.

There were plenty of ways that teams from one stable could foul their
opponents during a race, and sometimes even before it started
(attempts to dope or poison horses and charioteers were not unknown).
Fanatical partisans sometimes even resorted to magic, seeking
to "hex" the rivals of their favorites. The following curse tablet
represents an attempt to incapacitate the drivers of the Red faction:

"Help me in the Circus on 8 November. Bind every limb, every sinew,
the shoulders, the ankles and the elbows of Olympus, Olympianus,
Scortius and Juvencus, the charioteers of the Red. Torment their
minds, their intelligence and their senses so that they may not know
what they are doing, and knock out their eyes so that they may not
see where they are going-neither they nor the horses they are going
to drive."

When the race was finally over, the presiding magistrate
ceremoniously presented the victorious charioteer with a palm branch
and a wreath while the crowds cheered wildly; the more substantial
monetary awards for stable and driver would be presented later. In
fact the winners of the races received a remarkable award by the
magistrate, that had to be added to the already outstanding wage. In
particular the most capable charioteers obtained, swearing not to
change factio, incredible wages.

-Fame and richness:

As today, the men as well as the horses obtained an
extraordinary renown, even though these animal risked
to lose their life much more than the charioteers. The
fame of the "aurigae" just depended on the results of
the races; from a number of inscriptions we know
several of them: Scorpus won 2,048 races, Pompeus
Musculosus won 3,559 races, Pomeus Epaphroditus won
1,467 races.
However also horses were very important. At one time the Romans
maintained up to 14,000 horses for chariot racing, and there was
always a demand for more. Horses began training as two-year olds,
were put into training harness at three, but were not raced until
they were at least five years old. They received only the very best
care by skilled grooms and trainers. To insure the horses'
tranquillity before a race, the Praetorian Guard were instructed not
to sound their trumpets so that the horses would not be disturbed.
As a consequence, also horses are mentioned: Polydoxus
(Pompeianus writes: "Winner or not, we love you,
Polydoxus"), Tuscus (who won 386 races), Victor (who
won 429 races). Martial writes (X, 9): "Yes, I am very
renowned all around the world, but way should you be
so envious? I am not as famous as the horse
Andremonis!".
The award for the charioteer was an amount of money or
the "manomissio", i.e. freedom if he was a slave.
Incomes were enormous: a certain Diocles began driving for the
Whites at the age of 18; after 6 years, he switched to the Greens for
3 years, and then drove 15 years for the Reds before retiring at the
age of 42 after winning 4,462 races, and with 35 millions sestertii
(about 7 millions dollars or euros) in his pocket!
Again Martial says (V, 74): "How long have I to sweat
during the whole day amidst outrunners and servants,
in order to earn one hundred of poor leaden coins,
while Scorpus, winner of the race, takes away in one
hour fifteen sacks of brinkling gold?"
Anyway Diocles' career was unusually long; many charioteers died
quite young (Fuscus at 24, Crescens at 22, Aurelius Mollicius at 20).

Pliny the Younger, criticizing partisanship, writes (Letters 9.6):
"I am the more astonished that so many thousands of grown men should
be possessed again and again with a childish passion to look at
galloping horses, and men standing upright in their chariots. If,
indeed, they were attracted by the swiftness of the horses or the
skill of the men, one could account for this enthusiasm. But in fact
it is a bit of cloth they favour, a bit of cloth that captivates
them. And if during the running the racers were to exchange colours,
their partisans would change sides, and instantly forsake the very
drivers and horses whom they were just before recognizing from afar,
and clamorously saluting by name."

Svetonius noted:
"Nero had been passionate about horses from early childhood. At the
beginning of his reign, he played every day with toy chariots made of
ivory. Soon he wished to drive a chariot himself. So first practicing
with his slaves, he appeared before the whole city in the circus."

In conclusion, Juvenal writes: "Today the circus
contains the whole Rome, and judging by the noise
striking my ears, I argue that the GREENS are winning.
Should they lose, you would see this city being sad
and astonished, just like when the Consuls suffered
the powder of Cannae!".

Many pictures can be found at:
http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/circus_sources.html

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Position Open for a Historical Scriba
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:01:18 -0400 (EDT)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I am in need of a historical scriba, and assistant for some pressing
aspects of Roman History.

The sucessful applicant should have an interest in the History of Rome
and her republic / empire (not necessarily military only), two to three
hours per week to devote to editorial efforts, good command of the
English Language, and an interest in publication, The applicant should
be able to commit to the above level of work for a period of at least
six months for the completion of at least the current backlog of work
accumulated. This task could lead to the editorship of a planned Nova
Roma Periodical, and completion of the required work will certainly
result in a strong recommendation to the Senate and the voting public by
an active ProConsul, for any future related political or cultural
undertaking desired by the applicant.

Please contact:

Marcus Minucus Audens

Marcusaudens@webtv,net

Sodalitas Leader for Militarium and Egressus -- Nova Roma


Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Factions
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:05:57 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Gnaeo Salix Astur et M. Minucio Audens S.P.D.

> There are no hidden meanings or abstract
> concepts behind them; no more than behind the Boston Celtics or the
> Paris Saint-Germain :-).

It's no correct, often the colours have a meaning like in the Ancient
Rome. For example Boston Celtics are green because in Boston there
were many irish men: the green is the colour of the Ireland.
For example the colour of the Italy is blue and not green or white or
red. Because the Blue is the colour of Savoia, the last italian
Kings' family.

> Historically, it *could* mean that you supported a paricular
political
> factio. But it could be that you just loved green :-).
> Modern football fanatism is extremely similar in all aspects; for
> example, the followers of the Glasgow Rangers are protestant, while
the
> followers of the Glasgow Celtics are catholic. But you can choose
your
> team for completely different reasons.

Yes, it's correct! Often the people see in a Factio a social class, a
political party, etc. Another example in Italy was Juventus and
Torino, the two soccer teams of Turin. Historically Juventus was the
noble and rich and monarchic team, the old president is the owner of
FIAT and the italian Kings loved this team. Torino is the popular
team, the "Factio" of the workers and democratic.

Valete
F.A.C.

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Factions
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:23:57 -0300 (ART)

Salve

--- Franciscus Apulus Caesar
<sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> escreveu:
[..] For example Boston Celtics are green because
> in Boston there
> were many irish men: the green is the colour of the
> Ireland.
> For example the colour of the Italy is blue and not
> green or white or
> red. Because the Blue is the colour of Savoia, the
> last italian
> Kings' family.
[..]

M ARMINIUS: And what is the color of Nova Roma?
(time to see the flag of Nova Roma in our site)
Perhaps red, the color of victory! :-)

> Valete
> F.A.C.

Vale
Marcus Arminius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI: SEMIFINALS!!!
From:	"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@inicia.es>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:02:43 -0000

GROUP I

Inexpugnabilis
driver: Ignis
by Caius Curius Saturninus
Race tactic: (1)
The pretorianos also slaps them

Sagitta Russata
driver: Marcus Iulius Perusianus
by Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata

Delecta Mea
driver: Scorpianus
by Jullila Sempronia Magna
Race tactic: (2)
Factio: Praesina

Apollo Victor
driver: Afer Magnus
by Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata

1st: Inexpugnabilis
2nd: Apollo Victor
3th: Sagitta Russata
4th: Delecta Mea

GOES IN FINAL: Inexpugnabilis

Two furious reds vs two irate greens. The tension is felt in the
Circus, today only there is red or green public. In the steps, the
pretorians is fed up with distributing wild slaps between the
fanatics of both colors and the insults on mothers are the softest
that is heard in the multitude. Really the Nova Roma's plebs is a
worthy succesor of her ancestor!
However, the race is calm enough. The tactics are respectful and
rapid. All four chariots run up to the limit of their forces without
dirty snares or dangerous turns. There are no accidents, there is no
blood, but the public prefers continuing with its battle of insults
and.the slaps of the nice pretorians are heard in the whole Circus.
The race is a secondary matter until the first chariot crosses the
line of goal. It´s green, it´s the great Inexpugnabilis! Then all the
green fans shout of emotion, lift their arms and dance on their seats
the walls of the factio Praesina, "The Green Danube", while the red
fans keep silent very angry and boo the bad performance of their
chariots.
The red drivers cry distressed on the sand. The pretorians also slaps
them.

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GROUP II

Aquilifer
driver: Miles Gloriosus
by M. Minicius Rufus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Russata

Massilia
driver: Leonnatos
by Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata

Proeliator
driver: Gustavus Barbarus
by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Race tactic: (2)
Factio: Russata

Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata

1st: Accident
2nd: Accident
3th: Hyacintha Magna
4th: Aquilifer

GOES IN FINAL: Hyacintha Magna

Four red chariots, the race was looking like a walk of friends,
when... yea, much blood on the sand. Hyacintha Magna has a very
playful driver, playful and evil, the nice Theodorus Citius, who
pushed against the wall an absent-minded Proeliator and an amazed
Massilia. Both chariots suffered serious damages and the driver of
Massilia was thrown on the steps, falling down in the green sector.
Nobody has seen him again, he disappeared forever in the dangerous
green waves.
The chariot Aquilifer, a prudent veteran, wanted neither to come
closer nor to go forward the psycho Theodoricus. So now the reds have
a terrible chariot in the final for their hard fight against the
greens. The gods protect its nice driver!


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GROUP III

Fulminatora
driver: Remus
by Sextus Arminius Remus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata

Ius Sanguinis
driver: Hermanus Martianus
by Marcus Arminius Maior
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Russata

Volatilis
driver: Pelops Celer
by Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Praesina

Basilea
driver: Septimius Raurax
by Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Praesina

1st: Volatilis
2nd: Basilea (sabotage!)
3th: Accident!
4th: Fulminatora

GOES IN FINAL: Volatilis

This it has been a very strange and suspicious race. The whole people
were afraid of a hard fight between both red and green chariots. But
the fight was not so much. Volatilis took advantage from the first
lap, its horses were giving up foam as a storm on the sea, provoking
the plaudits of the steps. Behind, its companion Basilea was
humiliating the two red chariots. It seemed a green race completely.
But, oh Gods, suddenly the helm of the chariot Basilea breaks and its
driver is dragged by the horses during half lap, suffering a
horrifying depilation in all the body. The green fans
shout "Sabotage, Sabotage!" and then they throw an elephant on the
sand (do not ask me where the animal was hidden, please). The chariot
Ius Sanguinis can not avoid it and hits against its sensitive trunk.
The elephant, very angry, uses the driver of Ius Sanguinis as
toothpick. It has been really a strange race!
Volatilis is the winner and the driver of Fulminatora cry his bad
luck, though his owner Arminius smiles mysteriously.


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GROUP IV

Essedum
driver: Italicus
by Manius Constantinus Serapio
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Praesina

Leo
driver: Titus Lupercia Silo
by N. Cassius Niger
Race tactic: (2)
Factio: Praesina

Italica
driver: Equus Erectus
by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata

Aenglish Wildfire
driver: Diarmuid
by Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Veneta
1st: Essedum
2nd: Accident!
3th: Accident!
4th: Italica

GOES IN FINAL: Essedum

Two greens against one red and the solitary blue hero of these games.
In the replete steps with a wide scale of green and red colors,
stands out a small blue point. It is a group of blue brave fans who
shout in favor of Aenglish Wildfire accompanied of a couple of white
fans who support them in their crusade against the two-color tyranny.
But their little hopes were broken when the chariot Italic, led by
the perfidious Equus Erectus, pushed their hero against the wall of
marble. Aenglish Wildfire broke in thousand pieces and its driver
Diarmuid was knocked down by the rest of participants in a terrifying
proof of wicked superiority. It´s the law of the strongest!
These Ludi have been the worst for the Veneta and the Albata, but in
this race they had the small consolation of which the green chariot
Leo broke a wheel in the "spina" and its driver Cassius Niger broke
the head against the statue of the goddess of the health. It´s a very
small consolation though.
Finally the veteran and expert Essedum wins the race and Italic is
second. The greens sing very happy, intoxicated of victories!

The final will be three greens against a solitary red chariot. There
is no doubt, this day has been also one of the worst of the Red
Armada An alone chariot in the final, after so many candidates, is a
lamentable result for the Russata. .

On Tuesday the great final in the Circus Novus Romanus. These are the
champion chariots in search of the glory:


Inexpugnabilis
driver: Ignis
by Caius Curius Saturninus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Praesina

Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata

Volatilis
driver: Pelops Celer
by Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Praesina

Essedum
driver: Italicus
by Manius Constantinus Serapio
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Praesina


Bona Fortuna!

Salix Galaicus
scriba aedilis cursus equorum (scribe of the races)

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Factions
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:08:53 -0300 (ART)

Salvete

--- Franciscus Apulus Caesar
<sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> escreveu:
[..]
> The colours are not a political, military or social
> symbol for the
> Factiones. It's right saying that each Factio is of
> a social (or
> political) class. For example the Veneta (Blue) is
> the Factio of the
> Equestres and the Praesina (Green) of the Patrices.
> However the
> FActiones have changed in the time and for example
> the Emperor
> Caligola loved the Albata team (white).
[..]
> > Would this simply be similar to the international
> Soccer problems of
> > some time ago or has a given color a deeper and
> more subtle meaning?

M Arminius: I think that in the Bizantine Empire, in
Constantinopla, the Factiones had real power,
reflected in political groups fighting between them.
In the reign of Justinian, the blues and the greens
joined against the emperor, and he was forced to call
the army to defeat them.

> Vale
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> Quaestor and Propraetor Provinciae Italiae


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Factions
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT)

My thanks to Mssrs. S. Astur and A. Caesar for your very prompt and
complete explanations about the factions.

I have a lovely large square of dark green cloth, that I was going to
make into a flag for Roman Events, but perhaps to put such a flag up in
front of a Senator's tent would not be the most prudent thing to do. My
intention was to dress up my area in the Ludi Maximus Gladitori just a
tad, but outside of saying that Spring in my favorite season, I am not
sure what excuse I would have. I am not associated with the "populares"
according to the description in "Handbook To Life In Ancient Rome" so I
am not positive how such a decoration, while quite pretty, would be used
and explained.

When you say "Patrices" are you referring to the Patrician Class?

The idea that I wanted to get across is that I would like to put a flag
in front of my tent at a Roman Event which has some Roman Meaning as a
way to add to the color and interest of the event, Since I have a green
flag, I was looking for a good reason to have it there, since visitors
will surely ask about it. I wanted to have an accurate response.


My thanks again for your explanations. I have learned a great deal as
always when I seek information from you gentlemen.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Factions
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:48:44 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : =?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= >
>M Arminius: I think that in the Bizantine Empire, in
>Constantinopla, the Factiones had real power,
>reflected in political groups fighting between them.
>In the reign of Justinian, the blues and the greens
>joined against the emperor, and he was forced to call
>the army to defeat them.
>
Salve,
Yes, it is in this later period when all sense of political involvement is lost and the theatre and gladiatorial games have been banned that the Green and Blue, as I understand it, aristocratic and business classes, become a focus for political dissent. There is safety in numbers and criticisms could be made through the teams at the Emperor, who, if he had any sense at all, heard without appearing to listen. Generally, the Greens were imperial. That is why it was so dangerous when they too turned against Justinian. By this time, the red and white were in effect reserves to the major teams.
Probably the same sense of political disenchantment accrues to soccer violence, both in South American countries where there really has been political suppression and in Holland, Britain and Germany where generally liberal consensus suppresses the extremists. In Ireland they just go mad about games nobody has ever heard of with quite enough violence on the pitch: Gaelic football similar to Australian [no]rules but with a round ball and a sort of overhead hockey called Hurling (Shinty in Scotland).
El-Aga-Ba'al/Heliogabalus, a Syrian admirer of Caligula and Nero teenage basket-case if ever there was one, added Gold and Purple around 210 CE but they didn't last any better than he did.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LUDI ROMANI: Satyrical show
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:14:22 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

In Ludi Romani is the day of THEATRE!!

In the Roman Culture the Satire wase an important element and many famous
poets like Flaccus, Martiales, etc. are the great writers of out history.
In our little Virtual Theatre, the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
have organized a funny show. The work is a famous novel by the latin poet
Phaedrus: "ASINUS ET LEO VENANTES" (XI - Liber I). Phaedrus used the little
novels to make "Satira" and there is an important message in each history.

However, like the modern theatre, we have rapresented the novel in a
particular version. We have developed it like a SouthPark cartoon, creating
new characters and inserting faces of most important Nova Romans. So.
please, don't thing there are political implications or attacks to some
people, it's only Theatre!
Don't hurt for this movie, it's a joke and as the Satire was an important
element of the Classical Culture!

You can see the movie at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/theatre.htm

The movie is in english and in this webpage you find the original and
correct latin version.
The movie is developed by Macromedia Flash, so you need Flash Player. You
can download it free at www.macromedia.com

P.S.: If you don't like the history and the joke, please, attack me and not
the Illustrus C. Fabius Quintilianus ;-)
It is a character too (sorry, Amice)! :-)

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Lcus Magni Festival
From:	ROMANWIFE@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:55:30 -0400 (EDT)

I hope to attend the Lacus Magni Festival in Columbus September 28 and
meet some Nova Romans. I subscribed to this list yesterday but haven't
received any messages yet.
Antonia Octavia Americana