| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire |
| From: |
"G. Noviodunus" <Gaius.Noviodunus@iseli.org> |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:44:25 +0200 |
|
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius wrote:
> Thought this was intertesting,
>
> Marcus
>
> Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
>
> September 20 2002
>
> URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/19/1032054915705.html
Salve Marce,
Indeed, very interesting. It just misses a point. Romans not only
invaded other places, but they took the best of it. They did understand
the culture in their foreign lands much better than the American do.
Don't forget that most Romans were bilingual (Latin and Greek). On this
topic, do you know the following joke?
<joke>
- How do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
- A polyglot.
- OK, and how do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?
- A bilingual.
- You're doing great! and how do you call someone who speaks
just one language?
- An American!
</joke>
Not knowing the other languages, not knowing other cultures, this is
going to be the fall of the US empire. Call me Nostradamus, but you'll
see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and money.
Valete bene
Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oklahoma? |
| From: |
Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org> |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:55:40 -0400 |
|
I'm reposting this information from the SCA-Romans list. If anyone's
within driving distance of Stroud, Oklahoma, sounds like a good chance
to put on Roman garb and get out there!
> The King Arthur Fair is a 3 day retreat to 515AD in Britain.
> It is a Harvest Fair and all the warlords and kings have sworn to
> uphold the peace. There will be Late period Romans, as well as
> Romans from 1st Century (AD), auxiliaries, and heavy Gothic cavalry
> actually jousting (an international jousting association). There
> will be members of the SCA on site as well, giving demos and
> recruiting.
>
> If you are to far from anything else, and close enough to Stroud
> (located mid-way between Tulsa and Oklahoma City on HWY 66 and HWY
> 99, come and visit the fair which is in it's third year of a 20 year
> storyline. Proper Roman garb gets you free admission, (Caius Fabius
> will pay your admission), and there will be some sort of feast on
> Saturday. There will be a thrown weapons competition, and an archery
> competition as well.
-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:22:08 -0500 |
|
Ave:
The anti-American tone of this group is getting boring.
"They did understand the culture in their foreign lands much better than the American do"
We don't "have" any foreign lands.
America is a very big place. Texas, one of our fifty states, for example, is roughly the size of France. Canada, to the North, speaks English, and Mexico, to the south, speaks Spanish. Many Americans bordering Mexico speak Spanish. The point is, Europeans have many diverse cultures bordering one another, and therefore, necessity dictates you learn other languages. You all don't learn other languages out of a benevolent desire to appreciate other cultures; rather, you have to.
"but you'll see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and money."
Was that language and culture the Germans used to conquer most of Europe in the late 1930's and forties? Oh yeah, it was bombs and stupid stuff like that. The same stuff we had to use to push the Germans back into their country for the French and English. Twice in the same century.
>From where, or what, or who, do Europeans claim this monopoly on righteousness and moral authority? Even a most cursory perusal of European history will show genocide, mass destruction, greed, depravity, annihilation of other cultures, intolerance, and racism, to name a few. Are you all enlightened now? Have you transcended the normal bounds of humanity and are now a different, more advanced species than you were, I don't know, say, 50 years ago? I think not. You're no different now. You just don't have the power to run amok like you used to. It certainly wasn't your understanding and love of other cultures that drove you all to colonize and exploit the third world in the 19th and 20th centuries.Your time is over. So get over it.
Salve
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
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----- Original Message -----
From: G. Noviodunus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius wrote:
> Thought this was intertesting,
>
> Marcus
>
> Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
>
> September 20 2002
>
> URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/19/1032054915705.html
Salve Marce,
Indeed, very interesting. It just misses a point. Romans not only
invaded other places, but they took the best of it. They did understand
the culture in their foreign lands much better than the American do.
Don't forget that most Romans were bilingual (Latin and Greek). On this
topic, do you know the following joke?
<joke>
- How do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
- A polyglot.
- OK, and how do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?
- A bilingual.
- You're doing great! and how do you call someone who speaks
just one language?
- An American!
</joke>
Not knowing the other languages, not knowing other cultures, this is
going to be the fall of the US empire. Call me Nostradamus, but you'll
see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and money.
Valete bene
Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] American University List -- Egressus |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:30:06 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve Illustrious and Honored Senator,
I was seeking his authorization to use his file. I am currently building a
database that will hopefully help the Egressus and NR. Since this person has
resigned, would you allow me to use this file?
Respectfully,
--- jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:
> Praefectus Scipio;
>
> The list was placed on Egressus by Germanicus who has resigned from Nova
> Roma.
>
> If the information that you need relates to Egressus, I would prefer
> that you would address Your questions to me. If, of course, your
> questions are personal you may do as you wish (Grin!!!!!).
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
>
=====
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:44:07 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete,
instead of searching what might be the diffences between American and European,
we might better find out what we have in common. This would be surely be more
constructive.
I am married to a North American and I can tell you that the cultural
differences are almost none. (oh yeah, I drink coffee, she drinks tea...)
Let me remind you as well that what American and European have in common is
also our Roman heritage and we are all here to make it alive.
Concerning the so called "American Imperialism", we should not forget that
America will send its army and European will pay a good part of the bill. Just
to remind as well that we are all in the same boat, struggling for the survival
of the Western World, and somewhat for the survival of the Roman heritage.
Valete,
--- Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Ave:
>
> The anti-American tone of this group is getting boring.
>
> "They did understand the culture in their foreign lands much better than the
> American do"
>
> We don't "have" any foreign lands.
>
> America is a very big place. Texas, one of our fifty states, for example, is
> roughly the size of France. Canada, to the North, speaks English, and Mexico,
> to the south, speaks Spanish. Many Americans bordering Mexico speak Spanish.
> The point is, Europeans have many diverse cultures bordering one another, and
> therefore, necessity dictates you learn other languages. You all don't learn
> other languages out of a benevolent desire to appreciate other cultures;
> rather, you have to.
>
> "but you'll see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and
> money."
>
> Was that language and culture the Germans used to conquer most of Europe in
> the late 1930's and forties? Oh yeah, it was bombs and stupid stuff like
> that. The same stuff we had to use to push the Germans back into their
> country for the French and English. Twice in the same century.
>
> From where, or what, or who, do Europeans claim this monopoly on
> righteousness and moral authority? Even a most cursory perusal of European
> history will show genocide, mass destruction, greed, depravity, annihilation
> of other cultures, intolerance, and racism, to name a few. Are you all
> enlightened now? Have you transcended the normal bounds of humanity and are
> now a different, more advanced species than you were, I don't know, say, 50
> years ago? I think not. You're no different now. You just don't have the
> power to run amok like you used to. It certainly wasn't your understanding
> and love of other cultures that drove you all to colonize and exploit the
> third world in the 19th and 20th centuries.Your time is over. So get over it.
>
> Salve
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and
> confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,
> or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient,
> you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of
> this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the
> contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: G. Noviodunus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
>
>
> Centurion M Bianchius Antonius wrote:
> > Thought this was intertesting,
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
> >
> > September 20 2002
> >
> > URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/19/1032054915705.html
>
> Salve Marce,
>
> Indeed, very interesting. It just misses a point. Romans not only
> invaded other places, but they took the best of it. They did understand
> the culture in their foreign lands much better than the American do.
> Don't forget that most Romans were bilingual (Latin and Greek). On this
> topic, do you know the following joke?
>
> <joke>
> - How do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
> - A polyglot.
> - OK, and how do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?
> - A bilingual.
> - You're doing great! and how do you call someone who speaks
> just one language?
> - An American!
> </joke>
>
> Not knowing the other languages, not knowing other cultures, this is
> going to be the fall of the US empire. Call me Nostradamus, but you'll
> see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and money.
>
> Valete bene
> Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:55:10 -0500 |
|
Ave:
I'm not searching for differences. I LUV Europe. But I will not tolerate or stand silent while my beloved country is incessantly and unfairly insulted. And its seems as if we're all in on the joke, like its understood that America sucks, ha ha wink wink. American Culture is one of our greatest exports, and is a true melting pot of some of the worlds best cultures. So enough already.
Salve
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
Salvete,
instead of searching what might be the diffences between American and European,
we might better find out what we have in common. This would be surely be more
constructive.
I am married to a North American and I can tell you that the cultural
differences are almost none. (oh yeah, I drink coffee, she drinks tea...)
Let me remind you as well that what American and European have in common is
also our Roman heritage and we are all here to make it alive.
Concerning the so called "American Imperialism", we should not forget that
America will send its army and European will pay a good part of the bill. Just
to remind as well that we are all in the same boat, struggling for the survival
of the Western World, and somewhat for the survival of the Roman heritage.
Valete,
--- Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Ave:
>
> The anti-American tone of this group is getting boring.
>
> "They did understand the culture in their foreign lands much better than the
> American do"
>
> We don't "have" any foreign lands.
>
> America is a very big place. Texas, one of our fifty states, for example, is
> roughly the size of France. Canada, to the North, speaks English, and Mexico,
> to the south, speaks Spanish. Many Americans bordering Mexico speak Spanish.
> The point is, Europeans have many diverse cultures bordering one another, and
> therefore, necessity dictates you learn other languages. You all don't learn
> other languages out of a benevolent desire to appreciate other cultures;
> rather, you have to.
>
> "but you'll see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and
> money."
>
> Was that language and culture the Germans used to conquer most of Europe in
> the late 1930's and forties? Oh yeah, it was bombs and stupid stuff like
> that. The same stuff we had to use to push the Germans back into their
> country for the French and English. Twice in the same century.
>
> From where, or what, or who, do Europeans claim this monopoly on
> righteousness and moral authority? Even a most cursory perusal of European
> history will show genocide, mass destruction, greed, depravity, annihilation
> of other cultures, intolerance, and racism, to name a few. Are you all
> enlightened now? Have you transcended the normal bounds of humanity and are
> now a different, more advanced species than you were, I don't know, say, 50
> years ago? I think not. You're no different now. You just don't have the
> power to run amok like you used to. It certainly wasn't your understanding
> and love of other cultures that drove you all to colonize and exploit the
> third world in the 19th and 20th centuries.Your time is over. So get over it.
>
> Salve
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and
> confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,
> or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient,
> you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of
> this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the
> contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original
> message to the sender. Thank you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: G. Noviodunus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
>
>
> Centurion M Bianchius Antonius wrote:
> > Thought this was intertesting,
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
> >
> > September 20 2002
> >
> > URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/19/1032054915705.html
>
> Salve Marce,
>
> Indeed, very interesting. It just misses a point. Romans not only
> invaded other places, but they took the best of it. They did understand
> the culture in their foreign lands much better than the American do.
> Don't forget that most Romans were bilingual (Latin and Greek). On this
> topic, do you know the following joke?
>
> <joke>
> - How do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
> - A polyglot.
> - OK, and how do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?
> - A bilingual.
> - You're doing great! and how do you call someone who speaks
> just one language?
> - An American!
> </joke>
>
> Not knowing the other languages, not knowing other cultures, this is
> going to be the fall of the US empire. Call me Nostradamus, but you'll
> see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and money.
>
> Valete bene
> Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Bilingual |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:21:50 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes,
As perviously said it would be most constructive to stick together
and work as Nova Romans. Although the USA and her citizens have been
called new Romans over the last 40 years I think the only system that
ever came close to Rome was of course the British Empire, especially
in its structure and administration. The only difference was that it
was not always as inclusive and multiculturaly aware as Rome had been.
When you do become a big economic or military power you will always
be in a catch 22 situation; damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Eg. When US and UN troops went in to Somalia there was lots of
criticism, condemnation about the way things were run, imperialism
etc. Great, next time around they minded their business, stayed out
of Rawanda, 900,000 were slaughtered and the Canadian UN general,
commanded to do nothing watched the horror had a nervous breakdown. I
could go on with hundreds of samples this last 80 years. If Nova Roma
were to someday revive a great western Empire we may surely face the
same problem.
One more thought - In Roman times the first classical world language
was coin Greek left by Alexander's legacy. I'm sure that Greek would
have been required for any higher ranking Roman administrator or
civil servant throughout the empire. I wouldn't doubt that Pilate who
spoke Latin and Jesus who spoke Amaric would have communicated in
Greek for example.
Yours respectfully,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Languages |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:36:20 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Master Ferriculus;
I too tire of this acrimony between Europe and the West, on this list.
To my knowledge every major University in the United States requires
graduates to have successfully completed three semesters of study in a
language other than English. I myself speak Spanish and a little
German, but I do not do speak them well, simply because where I live
there is no need. When I lived in California for ten years, I made much
use of my Spanish ability, such as it is, and when I engage in the
History of Geography in my studies, I find that German is much easier
for my involvement in that language. I am from this list slowly
becoming more involved in Latin, but such is difficult for me since I
have some physical / mental problems which make rote-learning very
difficult. Many people do not take such things into account when they
speak about the shortcomings of others, because the young think that
they will live frever, and everyone posseses the same skills and
abilities that they have,and they have little knowledge about the
problms of others. Since each young person will discover these problems
in thier own way as they age, such is not a problem for me, and cause me
ammusement when young people talk about the abilities(or lack of them)
of others.
My wife is fluent in several languages, (Spainish, Russian, French, and
can get aong fairly well in Norwegian, and German) and since we always
travel together, there is little need fo me to exercise my poorer grasp
of a foriegn language as she usually is far ahead of me. However she is
not a good historian. So rather than she criticise my shortcomngs in
language, and I criticizeher shortcomings in history, we cooperate along
the lines of our strengths, and actually do very well. Perhaps such is
the way to operate between countries and cultures.
English is the current international commercal and diplomatic language
of the world as once it was Greek or French. Such has been mentioned
many times on this list. It is an evolved hing in which all countries
to some extent have a responsibility either positive or negative. As an
American, since such is so.it is not a particular matter of pride but
rather a convienience which allows me to pursue other interests rather
than struggle to maintain my rather poor ability in a foriegn language
which I do not use. Such a situation I had nothing to do with bringing
about so I am not necessarily proud of it, but niether will I stand
still to be criticized for it.
I have visited many countries, and have lived for an extended period in
Spain. I have encountered some people who seem to have the same
short-sighted ideas about Americans as you expound, but I have also
found, in the overwhelming majority, those who were willing to be
friends, understand cultural differences, and build on the positive
aspects of our differing strengths, rather than concentrate on our
differing weaknesses.
The U.S. does not have an "empire" and hopefully it never will. Our
history reflects mistakes as every countrie's history does, and from
those mistakes, we learn. As another person said some time ago
Americans bare thier problems in open court for any who are interested
to see. This is the largest current problem that we have, is the
openess and freedom in the U.S.. People who come here from foriegn
countries, enjoy the freedom, and use it to try and bring us down.
I disagree that one two or three languages or the lack of them will be
the demise of the U.S. Much more likely our openness, our generous
emmigrant laws, and foriegn student laws, and friendly society to all,
will afford some who are fanatics, and who are jealous of our
accomplishments to try to destroy us for some sort of "pie in the sky"
promises which will never be fulfilled.
Master Scipio has the right idea, I believe. Let us not enter into
argument about the differences of our negative problems, but rather
concentrate on the differences of our positive strengths. After all,
when I joined Nova Roma some years ago, such is what I thought this
micro-nation / Republic was all about.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] University File |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:41:46 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Praefectus Scipio;
You certainly have permission to use the U.S. University file as you see
the opportunity. There have been one or two people in the past who have
tried to use the file to make Nova Roma a little bit better known in the
world. Such was the orginal purpose of the file.
Their efforts did not go very far, pobably because of some failure on my
part. I would hope that if those people are still on this list that
they would contact yourself, and continue thier promised work.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:49:40 -0700 |
|
On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 10:44:25AM +0200, G. Noviodunus wrote:
Salve, G. Noviodunus:
> Indeed, very interesting. It just misses a point. Romans not only
> invaded other places, but they took the best of it. They did understand
> the culture in their foreign lands much better than the American do.
You know, I have to wonder... do you know many Americans? Do you know
_any?_ Your broad indictment of an entire country - hundreds of millions
of people! - sounds like blind repetition of something ground out by a
propaganda mill. Even the slightest bit of reflection would tell you
that in that large of a population, there are people whose knowledge of
other cultures and languages would make you turn green with envy.
So, is it your own lack of knowledge that causes you to sling mud in
this scattershot fashion, or should it be attributed to your country?
Or is generalizing that way a silly thing to do?...
"God is an American."
-- Trent Reznor and David Bowie, "I'm Afrraid Of Americans"
I'm always curious about people who engage in this kind of group
prejudice. Is it fear? Is it jealousy, or envy? A feeling of inadequacy?
Whatever it is, it does not spring from any noble motive, nor does it
elevate the person engaging in it; quite the opposite, in fact.
It lacks class; it lacks dignity. In fact, it has no redeeming
characteristic that I can think of.
> Not knowing the other languages, not knowing other cultures, this is
> going to be the fall of the US empire.
So... since your English is rather stilted, and your knowledge of
American culture - broad cultural diversity, to be more precise - is
extremely shallow at best, what does that say about your own position?
More to the point, what does it say about your ability to make informed
comments about America? You are, as they say, hoist upon your own petard
- that of cultural ignorance.
Beware of finger-pointing. As an old Russian saying goes, "while one end
points at someone else, the other points back at yourself."
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Nam et ipsa scientia potestas es.
Knowledge is power.
-- Sir Francis Bacon
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:39:16 +0100 (BST) |
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-----Original Message-----
>From : “G. Noviodunus“ <Gaius.Noviodunus@iseli.org>
>
>Not knowing the other languages, not knowing other cultures, this is
>going to be the fall of the US empire. Call me Nostradamus, but you'll
>see that language and culture is much stronger than bombs and money.
>
There is a horrid inevitability about that which is different from the British ignoranc of other languages. In their case it was true imperialism. For Americans it appears to include a fear because they are already a multicultural empire imagining themselves much more homogeneous, perilously close in fact to Spanish being the majority language. To accept the validity of other ways overseas would validate the possibility of those ways at home as well. One of the ironies of not having a defined unassailably superior culture is that every cultural position may feel threatened by every other and try to avoid it. When immigrants were taught English and the self-image was landed English gentry, other communities (Yiddish, Black, Irish...) seem to have flourished with a much greater certainty as all equally secure because none could occupy that top place.
Likewise of course Rome-Greece.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
"If I am not for myself, who will be? But if I am only for myself, what am I?" - The Rabbi Hillel
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:43:19 +0100 (BST) |
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-----Original Message-----
>From : Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
>
>I'm not searching for differences. I LUV Europe. But I will not tolerate or stand silent while my beloved country is incessantly and unfairly insulted. And its seems as if we're all in on the joke, like its understood that America sucks, ha ha wink wink. American Culture is one of our greatest exports, and is a true melting pot of some of the worlds best cultures. So enough already.
>
Now there's a huge difference to start with: about the only Europeans who'd admit to a phrase like 'beloved country' beloong to the kind of political parties everybody'd like to ban before they get power and ban everybody else! Two words I do not understand at all, at least in context: "American + Culture"?
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Asterix et Obelix |
| From: |
Joanne Shaver <merlinia@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:08:11 -0400 |
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Salvete, All! Merlinia Ambrosia sends Greetings!
2 years ago, when I was in England, I saw the 'Asterex'live action
movie starring Gerard Depardieu. It was great.
As an Anniversary present, Carl found me the next one, called 'Asterix
& Obelix take on Caesar'. Having the chance to see it a few times, I
think they got a lot of the details done right. Of course, the people
(esp. Christmas Bonus and Caesar)look uncannily like the cartoon
characters, And the Romans wear Red, but it looks like they used re
enactors. They go into 3 testudoes beautifully (then the Celts make them
fly in the air...) The Pilae are Nice! there's all kinds of armor!
The Celts look Great!
Too bad they were never released in the U.S.! My husband has been
looking on Amazon for a tape/CD from Canada all this time.
Those of you who live where it is available, Lucky you!
Valete for now!
-M.
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