Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate results
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:24:28 -0700 (PDT)

I notice that our Jr. Consul has taken some flack for vetoing Item II. I am rather glad he did. My first reason for this is the same as Quintus Fabius Maximus' reason. I think we should have a census and some Pater/Mater reform first.
My second reason is because I am not a deadbeat Pater and I want to keep control over my familia name Bianchia. I have invested a bit of time trying to build up this name and am concerned that anyone can join it without my consent could spoil that. I take great pride in my familia name and I wish to make sure that everyone who wishes to join will be a good fit. This way I can ensure an honourable and upright family with members who enjoy each other online company.
As for the missing maters/paters....fix that and I believe we will be on the way to "healthy growth" in the future.
Please, correct me if I am incorrect in my interpretation of this gens reform.
Thanks,
Marcus Bianchius Antonius

M Arminius Maior wrote:Salvete Omnes


Senate voting results, 25 sept 2755.

The Senate has finished its latest session, and the
votes have been tallied, as below.
The following 15 Senatores cast votes. They are
referred to below by their initials, and are listed in
alphabetical order by nomen:

Marcus Arminius Maior (MAM)
Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Patricia Cassia (PC)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (LCSF)
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (PCS)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (CFQ)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Gaius Marius Merullus (GMM)
Marcus Minucius Audens (MMA)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)

Senator Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonius
(AICPM) forwarded his proxy to Senator Marcus Minucius
Audens.


The following senators did not vote:

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Marcus Iunius Iulianus
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero


"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item,
"ANTIQUO" or "NEGAT" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO"
is an abstention.

The items for consideration are as follows:

-----

ITEM I. Appointment of Aurelia Iulia Pulchra as
Italian translator.
PASSED Unanimously: Uti Rogas, 16; Negat, 0; Abstineo,
0.

MAM: UTI ROGAS.
MCJ: UTI ROGAS. I feel that Aurelia Iulia Pulchra has
shown herself to be both skilled and dedicated, and I
believe she will do a fine job as Italian Translator.
PC: UTI ROGAS.
LCSF: UTI ROGAS.
PCS: UTI ROGAS.
LEC: UTI ROGAS.
CFQ: Uti Rogas. I am happy that we still get people
willing to hard and "dirty" work
for Nova Roma.
QFM: UTI ROGAS.
CFD: UTI ROGAS.
AICPM: UTI ROGAS.
DIPI: UTI ROGAS.
TLF: UTI ROGAS.
GMM: UTI ROGAS.
MMA: UTI ROGAS.
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
LSAO: UTI ROGAS.

- Citizen Aurelia Iulia Pulchra is now the official
Italian Interpreter (Translator).



ITEM II. Preliminary approval to take Cassius/Labienus
gens reform proposal to Comitia Centuriata.
VETOED by Consul L. Cornelius Sulla, voting
prohibited.

MCJ: It is unfortunate that this veto has been
interposed. This issue has been a periodic problem for
over two years now, and must be decided. We cannot
ignore this issue forever.

LEC: Too bad we can't vote now. Most of the Senate
wants a vote, and the outcome would be unclear. Gens
reform needs to be addressed if Nova Roma is to
experience continued healthy growth. Right now we are
being stunted by the inability of the Censores to
approve those applications to gens whose
"Paterfamilias" has either closed their gens or
refuse/neglect to respond to pending application. The
constitution needs to be adjusted to allow prospective
citizens the same chance to have the nomen they desire
as those who happened to find Nova Roma somewhat
earlier.

QFM: I still feel this is a premature action do be
done at the end of a Consulship. We have not even
carried out the Census yet. I believe once that is
done, we will be in a better position to carry out the
Gens dissolution.

MMA: It is unfortunate that the Jr. Consul has taken
upon himself to decide for the entire Senate, what
they shall vote upon and what they shall not. The
whole question of Gens Reform should be one which is
discussed openly, and be available to all for thier
determinations and
thier vote. Unfortunate indeed, when a Consul Veto is
used to defeat such!!



Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
From:	"Numerius Cassius Niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:27:45 -0000

L. Sicinius Drusus dixerat:
> ROFL,
> Naom Chomsky?
> That explains your confused ideas about the United
> States.
> Sorry Chomsky's "Libatarian Socalism" Is an oxynoron
> dreamed up by a addled crackpot attempting to
> reconcile two opposing philosophical views. A
> Libertarian Socalist makes as little sense as a
> "Religous Fanatic Athesist", though logic dosen't seem
> to be one of Chomsky's strong points.

N. Cassius Niger dixit:

Sophron! Sophron! and Huzzah!

I'm glad someone else is able to see through Chomsky's quackery. I
have no idea why Chomsky feels he can sanctimoniously ramble on
about any discipline because he has a degree in Linguistics. Chomsky
is far from a polymath. Furthermore, the supposedly "ground-
breaking" work he did in the field of Linguistics has now been
regulated to the halls of puesdo-science where such "greats" as
Piaget, Jung, and Freud now stand. Have you ever read his work on
the "Innatist" theory of language accquisition? Complete and utter
tripe! His whole arguement boils down to...."err..people accquire
language...because...because...THEY JUST DO, OK?" The Interactionist
school and scholars like Howard Gardner have shown just how empty
Chomsky's linguistics theories actually are, not to meantion his
political theories.
Many people will drop his name to sound "intellectual," when in
truth the only exposure they had to his work was an introductory
essay in a Humanities class some 30 years ago. He is a dinosaur and
such be treated as such: a thing extinct.

N. Cassius Niger

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Senate results
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:08:39 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@y...> wrote:
>
>Salve Marce Bianchi,

I have written to this message board on several occasions regarding
gens reform. I won't be long on point. Please understand I respect
the right of a gens family such as yours to have the power to say yes
or no to a prospective citizen. You have a great reputation for
quickly responding to the applicants and I wish all the gens heads
were like you. The problem with some is that they do not answer at
all even after many months. Prospective citizens would accept no or
yes but even a definite No is better than no answer at all. Why no
answers?

1 - Too busy or lazy to care or respond. Does Nova Ropma need that?

2 - As I have seen emails are out of commission, returned mail etc.
Forgetful?

3 - Noses too high in the air eg. why are some gens closed after 1 or
2 members. I think in ancient Rome that only happened when a family
was in exile or disgraced.

4 - Maybe the gens head had his appointment with the ferry man on the
river Styx. I noticed a few provincial governors as well as gens
fathers have disappeared from Cyberspace. If they are sick or dead
how long do we have to wait to know and do something about it? Has
the Nova Roma administration thought of this?

I am not going to shoot flack at the Senator (C. Sulla) who vetoed
this. I'm sure has reasons that I may not know about, knows more of
NR and has been here much longer than me. I only asked that the above
4 points would be carefully considered so as not to frustrate and
drive away potentially good citizens.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Senate results
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:56:47 -0000

---


Salvete Quinte Lani et alii:

Just to shed some clarification, if you will, there is a bit of an
overlap with two different issues here.

One issue is what Propraetor Bianchus is speaking of, which is
restructuring of the gens/familia system, and the issue you are
speaking of is one of equally great concern, which is dormant
Pater/Materfamilias, with some added concern with disappearing
officials.

A lex has been promulgated so that the gens heads must register their
gens yearly with the Censors and if they fail to do so, the gens can
be declared closed, and steps are taking to get the filia to select a
new Pater/mater, among other things.

A law was also passed for a yearly Census, so that individual
citizens must register to affirm that they are still present with us.

The gens registration I believe was held in April, and I do not know
when the Census shall be conducted.

But the Gens reforms that Bianchus is speaking of, is a separate
issue, really,

Your point Quinte, is well taken, with respect to the importance of
active and responsible gens heads in keeping the flow of citizen
applicants from getting congested, and indeed, in fairness to the
poor soul who has heard nothing.

I hope this helps.

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor



In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
> <imperialreign@y...> wrote:
> >
> >Salve Marce Bianchi,
>
> I have written to this message board on several occasions regarding
> gens reform. I won't be long on point. Please understand I respect
> the right of a gens family such as yours to have the power to say
yes
> or no to a prospective citizen. You have a great reputation for
> quickly responding to the applicants and I wish all the gens heads
> were like you. The problem with some is that they do not answer at
> all even after many months. Prospective citizens would accept no or
> yes but even a definite No is better than no answer at all. Why no
> answers?
>
> 1 - Too busy or lazy to care or respond. Does Nova Ropma need that?
>
> 2 - As I have seen emails are out of commission, returned mail etc.
> Forgetful?
>
> 3 - Noses too high in the air eg. why are some gens closed after 1
or
> 2 members. I think in ancient Rome that only happened when a family
> was in exile or disgraced.
>
> 4 - Maybe the gens head had his appointment with the ferry man on
the
> river Styx. I noticed a few provincial governors as well as gens
> fathers have disappeared from Cyberspace. If they are sick or dead
> how long do we have to wait to know and do something about it? Has
> the Nova Roma administration thought of this?
>
> I am not going to shoot flack at the Senator (C. Sulla) who vetoed
> this. I'm sure has reasons that I may not know about, knows more of
> NR and has been here much longer than me. I only asked that the
above
> 4 points would be carefully considered so as not to frustrate and
> drive away potentially good citizens.
>
> Yours respectfully,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Senate results
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:30:06 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> ---
> Salvete Pompeia Cornelia et omnes,

Thank you Senator Cornelia for clarifying about the overlapping
questions. I did not realize the extent of the other issue. Glad you
were around before I shot myself in the foot. I am sure everything
will work out in the long run and I appreciate the postings by the
Senate and Bianchia family.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus
>
>

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Greek firewalking festival
From:	"Marilde Goliardi Perdomo" <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:23:45 -0300

Salvete amici,

It's amazing to see how the Roman presence can be felt even in millenary
rituals. Every May 21 in Aghia Eleni, a location in the Greek Macedonia,
people celebrate the feast day of Saint Constantine and his mother Saint
Helen. We can can think whatever we want about the "sanctity" of the Emperor
Gaius Flavius Valerius Aurelius Claudius Constantinus, the fact is that the
villagers believe fervently in his
power. These people are called "Anastenarides", something like "mourners",
and every year, during three days, they will dance
barefoot over red coals, and their faces will shine in absolute serenity. A
hipnotic music can be heard uninterruptedly and a strange
song accompanies the crossing. It's not a common song, it's an ode called
"On a green meadow", best known as "MikroKostantinos".
I knew about it because, thanks to the Gods, I have the excellent work
"Hellenic Odes" by Christodoulos Halaris. Among other jewels, e.g. the first
chorus from the tragedy "Orestes" (5th Century B.C. Oh yes and Oh
Gods!)there is this penetrating song. It's captivating.
Lamentably, in the booklet of the cds there wasn't any transcription, the
only (and very short) explanation was referred to the Anastenaria.
More lamentably, I know a very little Greek, almost nothing; it would be
wonderful to know the full meaning of the ode. The few words I understand
talk about palikária, "boys" (sorry Olympus for writing with the Roman
alphabet), heimóna "winter", mynima, "message", polemóna
"battle" and pétala "horseshoes". And maybe I'm wrong.
There are two people named in this song: Constantine and "Tonín", which I
suppose is an Antoninus, perhaps a governor. Both men are called "Mikrós".
The rythmical part of the song starts with

"O Kostantino, Kostantinos O Mikrós,
O Kostantinos O Mikrós, O MikroKostantinos!"

Is it a mockery of Constantine's title? "Ok, so you say you are The Great,
well, we don't think so."
Is it a legend of the Emperor's childhood?
Who the hell is that Tonín and why the hell is he called Mikrós too?

The Anastenarides say they are possessed by Constantine (check it out
voodooists) and tell a sort of explanatory story: in 1250 some Thracian
villagers went to rescue the icons of a burning church. They had heard them
cry. And then, the descendants of those faithful received as a gift the
power of incombustibility.
Mmmhhh.
Nice story for an orthodox christian country. The Anastenarides are
excommunicated. They are real heathens. Some investigators think that their
ritual used to be Dionysiac but..., you know, the wars, the invasions, the
Church (another invasion) etc.
I don't doubt, I believe that they are possessed by some superior spirit or
God. But I don't think that Constantine, the intelligent politician we all
know came one day and asked permission from Dionysos:
"Excuse me, I think it is my turn to possess the people".

Turists can see the villagers carrying the very-Orthodox-Christian icons
of the Saints Constantine and Helen over their heads while the firewalking
and, if they ask, they will know that the evening of May 21 everybody was
meditating, mourning and dancing in ecstasy "preparing to join God on
Earth".
And they don't go to the church. There is a special priest whose authority
is higher than any papá's. His house is far more sacred than
the Christian temple. He goes first into the coals.
There is also a Turkish Anastenaria, it's a little different: the people
obviously don't carry the image of Constantine, they shout Allah! Allah!.
It's all the same old story.
A calf is sacrificed after the Greek dance and the nostalgia for Dionysos
will return to many hearts.

Hope you enjoyed this brief journey into the exciting world or religious
syncretism.

Gratias omnibus, specially to Dominus Serapio.
Valeria Constantina Iuliana.



_________________________________________________________________
MSN. Más Útil cada Día. http://www.msn.es/intmap/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Introduction!
From:	"R. Jason Boss" <bigbrother@jrboss.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:21:16 -0400

Valete!

As another recently and swiftly approved new citizen of NR, I wanted to
say I was quite impressed with the speed of the process. Monday night I
wrote both my application and a letter to Gallio Velius Marsallas of gens
Velia. The next morning I talked to him on the phone, and very shortly
thereafter I received acceptance notice from both Velia and NR! I was
amazed, even though I was ill and semi-conscious when I spoke to the
Paterfamilius. :)
Thanks to those who made it possible, and I'm glad to be aboard. For my
part, I'm a college student in NJ (studying journalism at Rowan University),
and have been interested in Roman language, culture, history, et. al. for
many years. I've been involved with both historical re-creationist groups
and pagan reconstructionists before, and have followed Nova Roma via the web
site since ... erm, sometime in the mid to late 90's. Not sure. Ah well,
in any event I'm glad to finally be a part of the group, and look forward to
hearing further discussions on subjects of interest.
Funny, every list I ever subscribe to seems to be right in the midst of
some kind of argument just as I join. Just amusing from outside is all.

Salvete!
Marcus Velius Iasonus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] misunderstood Roman knowledge...
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:29:29 EDT

In a message dated 9/25/02 7:13:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
javier_gil_ruiz@yahoo.es writes:


> The said article states that gladiatorial combats were propaganda "to
> show the world how hard they were". My personal opinion is that this
> statement is ludicrous, and gives a bad impression for the rest of
> the article.
>

Such statements are to me proof that a place like NR needs to exist. In
fact, we should have an information agency to keep such fallacies from
occurring. Every news agency in the world should have our phone number to
check with things Roman before the print or air articles. It would be one
more way for us to justify our existence.
As for those who bash Americans, and our culture, without both there wouldn't
be a Nova Roma in the beginning. Have you thought about that? Well, do so
before you post.
Thank you for listening
Valete

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome Compared to Others
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:41:37 EDT

In a message dated 9/25/02 9:24:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@datanet.ab.ca writes:


> For the reasons above I say the comparison of Rome to Britain is far
> more closer than America to Rome. Any thoughts on this matter?
>
>

Gibbon certainly believed this. As for parallels the 17-19th cent British
saw themselves in the mold of the Empire. Like the Byzantines, they were not
disinclined to resort to intrigue (The great game) if it had a strong
upside, while like the Romans, if a military situation was warranted, the
regiments and battalions and the fleet were always at the ready to protect
British interests.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Asterix et Obelix
From:	"Marcus Iulius Perusianus" <m_iulius@virgilio.it>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:29:21 -0000

Ave Feste,

I'm quite sure there's a DVD also in Italian and in English available
as I saw that movie just last year (I mean the one with Gerard
Depardieu as Obelix and Roberto Benigni as Detritus). For the other
one (Cleopatra= Monica Bellucci's mission) is not avaliable as just
across Europe in the cinemas.

Vale
MARCVS IVLIVS PERVSIANVS

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Paul Kershaw" <brighn@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnibus,
>
> IMDB indicates that Asterix and Obelix vs. Caesar is only available
on DVD in French and German (http://us.imdb.com/DVD?0133385), while
Asterix and Obelix: The Cleopatra Mission isn't available at all.
>
> Vale bene,
> Festus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tekwkp@a...
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Asterix et Obelix
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Try this database: www//:
>
> imdb.com
>
> Iyt is a comprehensive database for movies,
> documentaries, cienma, television, et al. Through it,
> I've found several 'things' that have been unavailable,
> or thought to be lost.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Cornelius Drusus
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:38:45 EDT

To M. Iunius Iulianus from F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus. Salvete.

I applaud your stance and conviction although I do not agree. I am sure that
in the Old Republic and Principate, there were many Epicureans who felt much
the same way as you. As Lucretius had many disciples in his day and
afterwards, there is little reason to doubt that some Senators found that
they could not in good concious continue to honor the religion of their
fathers after they had adopted Epicureanism as their personal philosophy. It
would be very interesting to know how Senators and other magistrates of Old
Rome managed to find a compromise that allowed them to continue to serve the
State while practicing the philosophy of Epicureanism. I wish you all the
best in this life and if that be all there is to existance, take joy in the
moment. May Fate be kind to you.

Valete.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Thank you
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:59:11 -0000

AVETE OPTIMI SENATORES

I would like to thank you all for trusting me, allowing me to
present my candidacy as Quaestor during next elections.

I already have my programs as to what I would do in case I am
elected, and in some way I also must thank you for not allowing me to
run for this office a few months ago. In fact during this period I
had the opportunity of finding other new ideas that could be useful
during the Quaestorship in case I will be elected.
Time for thinking is not lost time!

BENE VALETE OMNES
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
------------------------------
PROVINCIA ITALIA
http://italia.novaroma.org
------------------------------
ADMINISTRATIO AEDILIS PLEBIS CICATRICIS
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix.html

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] King Arthur & Mead
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:05:57 EDT

The festival in Oklahoma sounds interesting. Do you have a date on it or a
website.

There has been a great deal on NR lately about mead and I would like to offer
the following receipe for those citizens who would like to try a simple,
quick mead.

Take three pounds of honey & boil it for 30 minutes in a stainless steel pot
with one quart of water. Skim the foam that rises; I keep another pot of
boiling water to dip the skimmer in to keep it clean. After the initinal 30
minutes of skimming & boiling, add a tablespoon of peppercorns, three
cinnamon sticks, and an ounce of fresh grated ginger. Cover and reduce heat
to simmer for 30 more minutes. Take pot off heat and allow pot to cool to
room temperature. When honey-water reaches room temperature (75-90 degrees),
dissolve a packet of yeast (Red Star is good, but champagne yeast is better)
in four ounces of warm water. Stir yeast mixture into pot of honey-water and
stir well. Pour all into a clean gallon jug and add clean water to bring
level to one gallon. Take a water-filled fermentation lock in a rubber
stopper & shove it into the opening of the jug. If you have no lock, rinse a
balloon in warm water and place over neck of jug. Tie it to the neck of the
jug with some twine or string. This will allow the fermentation gases to
escape & exclude air from your mead. Allow to ferment in a warm place for
five days. Strain mead through a sieve into your stainless steel pot and
stir in one cup of boiled honey (to act as priming sugar). Pour mead into a
couple of two-litre soft drink bottles that have been semi-sterilized with
hot (but not boiling water) and screw the tops down tight. Leave to prime in
a warm place for two days; the bottles should become hard as carbonation
builds. Chill down in refrigerator for at least one day (but two is better).
Uncap carefully and decant into a pitcher leaving the sediment in the bottom
of the bottle. Enjoy.

Valete.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Asterix et Obelix
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:36:19 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,

Asterix does not live in St Malo but in an hypothetic village!!

Vale,

--- me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : Marilde Goliardi Perdomo <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
> To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date : 25 September 2002 02:01:56
> Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Asterix et Obelix
>
> >Pious Iuppiter!!! I have always felt that those adventures of Asterix and
> >Obelix are insulting. As a Roman I can't stand this kind of mockery.
> >Uhhh...had to say that.
> >
> >Valeria Constantinia Iuliana.
> >
> Merciful gods! Though Romans were not noted for a sense of humour. Does
> anyone agree that according to the map, Asterix lives in St. Malo, 'La cité
> corsaire', still robbing all who pass near or through in defiance of any law
> known to France or Europe?
> Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis
>
>
> --
> Personalised email by http://another.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Greek firewalking festival
From:	"Marcus Iulius Perusianus" <m_iulius@virgilio.it>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:50:12 -0000

Ave Valeria,

>Hope you enjoyed this brief journey into the exciting world or
>religious syncretism.
>
>Gratias omnibus, specially to Dominus Serapio.
>Valeria Constantina Iuliana.

thank you for your kind story.
I wonder as I see you have a Italian-like surname (as real one) and
linked to Manius Constantino Serapio, you're going to be a new
citizen of Provincia Italia, aren'you?

MARCVS IVLIVS PERVSIANVS


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Marilde Goliardi Perdomo" <gmarilde@h...>
wrote:
> Salvete amici,
>
> It's amazing to see how the Roman presence can be felt even in
millenary
> rituals. Every May 21 in Aghia Eleni, a location in the Greek
Macedonia,
> people celebrate the feast day of Saint Constantine and his mother
Saint
> Helen. We can can think whatever we want about the "sanctity" of
the Emperor
> Gaius Flavius Valerius Aurelius Claudius Constantinus, the fact is
that the
> villagers believe fervently in his
> power. These people are called "Anastenarides", something
like "mourners",
> and every year, during three days, they will dance
> barefoot over red coals, and their faces will shine in absolute
serenity. A
> hipnotic music can be heard uninterruptedly and a strange
> song accompanies the crossing. It's not a common song, it's an ode
called
> "On a green meadow", best known as "MikroKostantinos".
> I knew about it because, thanks to the Gods, I have the excellent
work
> "Hellenic Odes" by Christodoulos Halaris. Among other jewels, e.g.
the first
> chorus from the tragedy "Orestes" (5th Century B.C. Oh yes and Oh
> Gods!)there is this penetrating song. It's captivating.
> Lamentably, in the booklet of the cds there wasn't any
transcription, the
> only (and very short) explanation was referred to the Anastenaria.
> More lamentably, I know a very little Greek, almost nothing; it
would be
> wonderful to know the full meaning of the ode. The few words I
understand
> talk about palikária, "boys" (sorry Olympus for writing with the
Roman
> alphabet), heimóna "winter", mynima, "message", polemóna
> "battle" and pétala "horseshoes". And maybe I'm wrong.
> There are two people named in this song: Constantine and "Tonín",
which I
> suppose is an Antoninus, perhaps a governor. Both men are
called "Mikrós".
> The rythmical part of the song starts with
>
> "O Kostantino, Kostantinos O Mikrós,
> O Kostantinos O Mikrós, O MikroKostantinos!"
>
> Is it a mockery of Constantine's title? "Ok, so you say you are The
Great,
> well, we don't think so."
> Is it a legend of the Emperor's childhood?
> Who the hell is that Tonín and why the hell is he called Mikrós too?
>
> The Anastenarides say they are possessed by Constantine (check it
out
> voodooists) and tell a sort of explanatory story: in 1250 some
Thracian
> villagers went to rescue the icons of a burning church. They had
heard them
> cry. And then, the descendants of those faithful received as a gift
the
> power of incombustibility.
> Mmmhhh.
> Nice story for an orthodox christian country. The Anastenarides are
> excommunicated. They are real heathens. Some investigators think
that their
> ritual used to be Dionysiac but..., you know, the wars, the
invasions, the
> Church (another invasion) etc.
> I don't doubt, I believe that they are possessed by some superior
spirit or
> God. But I don't think that Constantine, the intelligent politician
we all
> know came one day and asked permission from Dionysos:
> "Excuse me, I think it is my turn to possess the people".
>
> Turists can see the villagers carrying the very-Orthodox-Christian
icons
> of the Saints Constantine and Helen over their heads while the
firewalking
> and, if they ask, they will know that the evening of May 21
everybody was
> meditating, mourning and dancing in ecstasy "preparing to join God
on
> Earth".
> And they don't go to the church. There is a special priest whose
authority
> is higher than any papá's. His house is far more sacred than
> the Christian temple. He goes first into the coals.
> There is also a Turkish Anastenaria, it's a little different: the
people
> obviously don't carry the image of Constantine, they shout Allah!
Allah!.
> It's all the same old story.
> A calf is sacrificed after the Greek dance and the nostalgia for
Dionysos
> will return to many hearts.
>
> Hope you enjoyed this brief journey into the exciting world or
religious
> syncretism.
>
> Gratias omnibus, specially to Dominus Serapio.
> Valeria Constantina Iuliana.
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN. Más Útil cada Día. http://www.msn.es/intmap/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Greek firewalking festival
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:43:38 -0000

Salvete omnes,

Check out these 2 sites. The first site has the music for the Greek
fire walk. I could not find the words.


http://pulse.igc.org/feat_archive/May01/

http://search.msn.ca/results.asp?
q=Greek+firewalking&FORM=MSN6B&RS=CHECKED&v=1&cp=1252

Vale bene,

Quintus


> > Hope you enjoyed this brief journey into the exciting world or
> religious
> > syncretism.
> >
> > Gratias omnibus, specially to Dominus Serapio.
> > Valeria Constantina Iuliana.
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > MSN. Más Útil cada Día. http://www.msn.es/intmap/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Oath Of Office
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:47:46 -0000

I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor
Mediatlantica to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Propraetor Mediatlantica and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Presented this day, ante diem VI Kal. OCTOBRAS MMDCCLV a.u.c.
{September 26, 2002}

Gaius Cassius Nerva
Propraetor Mediatlantica

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Asterix et Obelix
From:	"gkbagne" <gkbagne@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:40:24 -0000

>From Aula Decia Lepella, To All Salvete!

I just ordered the live action version of Asterix v. Caesar from
AmazonUK. You can link to the UK site from the bottom of the Amazon
homepage. Cost with priority shipping was 12.96 UK, which would be
about $20. Isn't the internet great!
Valete

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Citizen
From:	Camille Klein <acidqueen@evilnet.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:56:29 -0400

Salvete omnes (I think that's how you say "Hello everybody")!

I don't know if I can be considered "new" anymore--my application for
citizenship was approved like 2 weeks ago, and I have been lurking on this
list and several others since then.

I really don't have a speech prepared, so please forgive the terseness of
this post as I've always been horrible with self-introductions. :)

Respectfully,

Fortuna Galeria Fidelia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] BBC NEWS UK England Moor dig finds Roman iron factory
From:	"Julia Passamonti" <bast13@adelphia.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:51:53 -0400

I thought that this would be of interest to many of you.
Julia Cassia Vegetia

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/2279227.stm


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Welcome!
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:48:05 -0000

Salve, Fortuna Galeria!

Glad to have you in Nova Roma. No need for a speech. Pull up a
dining couch, have some grapes, and join in the chatter. :)

---
Renata Corva

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Message 8
From:	Joanne Shaver <merlinia@comcast.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:13:25 -0400

Salvete, Vibius, Valeria Constantinia, et al. Merlinia Ambrosia
translating from Old Celtic for you-

'By Toutates! Romans have a Great sense of Humor. Starting with
Centurion Christmas Bonus. He's Bona to bring so many friends to play
with. Too bad these keys are so small. And fragile.
Say! We don't rob! You know the old Celtic saying- "to the winner the
spoils". a relative coined that when he visited Roma once..
Boars and beers for All!
-* '
end of translation.
Valete!
-M.

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate results
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:50:51 -0700

Avete Quintus Lanius et Omnes,

There are laws on the books that deal with most of the points you raised up. Recently on September 15, according to the Lex Cornelia de Censo, our Census was to be completed. I would like the Censors to address the People of Nova Roma regarding those results.

If you are interested in locating the text to review it please click on the following link: http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-06-05-ii.html

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:08 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate results


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@y...> wrote:
>
>Salve Marce Bianchi,

I have written to this message board on several occasions regarding
gens reform. I won't be long on point. Please understand I respect
the right of a gens family such as yours to have the power to say yes
or no to a prospective citizen. You have a great reputation for
quickly responding to the applicants and I wish all the gens heads
were like you. The problem with some is that they do not answer at
all even after many months. Prospective citizens would accept no or
yes but even a definite No is better than no answer at all. Why no
answers?

1 - Too busy or lazy to care or respond. Does Nova Ropma need that?

2 - As I have seen emails are out of commission, returned mail etc.
Forgetful?

3 - Noses too high in the air eg. why are some gens closed after 1 or
2 members. I think in ancient Rome that only happened when a family
was in exile or disgraced.

4 - Maybe the gens head had his appointment with the ferry man on the
river Styx. I noticed a few provincial governors as well as gens
fathers have disappeared from Cyberspace. If they are sick or dead
how long do we have to wait to know and do something about it? Has
the Nova Roma administration thought of this?

I am not going to shoot flack at the Senator (C. Sulla) who vetoed
this. I'm sure has reasons that I may not know about, knows more of
NR and has been here much longer than me. I only asked that the above
4 points would be carefully considered so as not to frustrate and
drive away potentially good citizens.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Oath Of Office
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:00:06 -0700

Congrats Nerva on your appointment!

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: gcassiusnerva
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Oath Of Office


I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor
Mediatlantica to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Propraetor Mediatlantica and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Presented this day, ante diem VI Kal. OCTOBRAS MMDCCLV a.u.c.
{September 26, 2002}

Gaius Cassius Nerva
Propraetor Mediatlantica

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate results
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:52:18 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Marce Bianchi,

> I notice that our Jr. Consul has taken some flack for vetoing Item II.
> I am rather glad he did.

Have you seen the Senate Item II yet? I hope you're not glad of a veto
of something you haven't seen!

> My second reason is because I am not a deadbeat Pater and I want to keep
> control over my familia name Bianchia. I have invested a bit of time
> trying to build up this name and am concerned that anyone can join it

But what of more historic names? Gens names like Octavius, Iulius,
Cornelius, Fabius, etc., have reputations that were built two thousands
of years ago, by persons who have done far more of note than the
current holders of those names are ever likely to. Should I be allowed
to prevent someone else from being an Octavius, merely because I was
the first admirer of Augustus to arrive here?

The proposal of Cassius and Labienus, which I was prevented from
bringing to a vote, was an effort to fix the unhistorical confusion
of gens and familia which we currently have. It would have brought us
more in line with ancient practices, made familiae into true families,
and made our gentes like the gentes of our ancestors.

We would have accomodated those who *don't* prefer the historical
system, who would prefer to consider themselves "children" of
a "pater" they have never met; such persons would have had the
opportunity to be "adopted" within thirty days of the Constitutional
change.

This proposal had the support of most of the Senate who have expressed
an opinion; but the Senate has been prevented from expressing its will.

Here is the proposal:

] All those citizens who were granted citizenship prior to the
] ratification of this amendment by the Senate shall be allowed to join
] the familia of the citizen who was the paterfamilias of their Gens prior
] to the passage and ratification of this amendment (hereafter referred to
] as the Former Paterfamilias).
]
] Any citizen wishing to do so must have prior permission from their
] Former Paterfamilias, and shall have thirty (30) days from the date of
] ratification in which to declare that they wish to join the familia of
] the Former Paterfamilias to the censors.
]
] Any citizen who joins the familia of the Former Paterfamilias shall be
] considered to belong to that familia in all ways, and shall be treated
] exactly as though they had been adrogated by the Former Paterfamilias.
]
] *************** M CASSIUS' PROPOSAL *********************************
]
] PROPOSED CHANGES TO SECTION II. C:
]
] 2. Ordo patricius (patrician order). The patrician order shall
] consist of the founding families of the first 30 Gentes to join Nova
] Roma, and the familes which have joined those Gentes until the date of
] _________. Familiae joining a Gens after this date shall belong to the
] Ordo Plebeius. A Gens may consist of both Patrician and Plebeian Familiae.
]
] (Note: This cutoff date for gaining automatic Patrician status would
] occur on the day the amendment becomes legal.)"
]
] b. The familiae comprising the Patrician order shall total at least 10%
] of the total population of Nova Roma. Should the number of Patrician
] Familiae fall below that level, the Censors may appoint Plebein familiae
] to Patrician status to preserve this ratio between the orders.
]
] c. If the number of Patrician familiae is at or above 10% of the current
] total of Familiae in Nova Roma, no new Patrician familiae may be added
] to any Gens.
]
] PROPOSED CHANGES TO SECTION II. D:
]
] D. Gentes. In ancient Rome the Gens was an overall 'clan' lineage shared
] by a number of individual and independent households, or familiae. The
] households that comprise a Gens share the same nomen, but are not
] necessarily related by kinship. A familia may choose a Gens for a
] variety of reasons, including wanting a specific nomen in their name, or
] to express specific interests in Roman history, religion, etc.
]
] 1. Each gens shall be registered with the censors, who will maintain
] records of the familiae which comprise a Gens and other relevant
] information.
]
] 2. No two Gentes may have the same nomen (surname). The censors shall
] be responsible for ensuring this rule is observed.
]
] 3. Each Gens shall be composed of Familiae, headed by a Paterfamilias or
] Materfamilias, which hold independent 'sui iuris' status. Each Familia
] within Nova Roma must belong to a Gens, and shall constitute a separate
] branch of that Gens.
]
] PROPOSED *ADDITION* OF SECTION II. E:
]
] E. Familiae. As the Roman familia (household) was the backbone of Roman
] society, the prerogatives and responsibilities of the family are of
] primary importance to Nova Roma. Except where specifically dealt with in
] this constitution and the law, each independent familia shall have the
] right to determine its own course of action, and parents shall have the
] undisputed right and responsibility to see to the education and raising
] of their children.
]
] 1. Each physically separate household led by a Citizen of legal age
] shall be considered a separate and independent familia of 'sui iuris'
] status. Each Citizen of Nova Roma must be a member (or leader) of a familia.
]
] 2. Membership in a familia is determined by formal ties such as blood
] kinship, legal marriage, or shared residence in a physical household.
] Familiae may occupy separate physical households provided they share
] a formal tie of kinship by blood or marriage, or that a legal and
] formal adoptio or adrogatio (adoption) has taken place according to the
] provisions established by the laws of Nova Roma.
]
] 3. Each separate familia shall, through whatever means it may determine
] appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem. materfamilias ) who shall act as
] the leader of the family and speak for it when necessary. The holder of
] this position must be registered as such with the censors. The
] paterfamilias may, at his or her discretion, expel members from their
] familiae, and in accordance with formal laws of adoption accept new
] members into their family as designated heirs.
]
] (Note: The two sections above require official adoption laws being set.)
]
] 4. No two Familiae joining Nova Roma after ________ may have the same
] cognomen unless they are differentiated by an agnomen. The censors shall
] be responsible for ensuring this rule is observed.
]
] (Note. We now have some familiae who have the same cognomen - a cutoff
] date here would not force existing familiae to change their names.)
]
] PROPOSED CHANGE TO CURRENT SECTION II. E:
]
] As a new section II E. has been added, the current text in that section
] would be renamed as Section II F.

What we tried to do is historical, reasonable, accomodating, and doesn't
trample anyone's rights; but apparently this year neither the Senate
nor the People are to be allowed to choose to repair the mistakes made
four years ago.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Asterix et Obelix
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@texas.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:34:18 -0500

Salve Lepella

> I just ordered the live action version of Asterix v. Caesar from
> AmazonUK. You can link to the UK site from the bottom of the Amazon
> homepage. Cost with priority shipping was 12.96 UK, which would be
> about $20. Isn't the internet great!

Do they offer VHS, or is it only available in PAL?

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus, long-time Asterix fan
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Pigeonholed Cultures
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:42:28 -0700 (PDT)

I've been reading over some of these arguments back
and forth about the merits and demerits of various
cultures, and my two cents' worth is that I am very
tired of hearing cultures being pigeonholed into broad
generalities, such as "X culture is too commercial."
or "Y culture is snobbish." or "Z culture is
authoritarian." I'll bet you can all guess which
culture goes with which adjective, can't you? And
surely that offends you, if you belong to one of those
cultures, as much as it does me--or it ought to.

When I was in school, history book after history book
told me that, "The ancient Romans, while brilliant
engineers and military strategists, were not
creative."

I believed this without question, until I reached a
certain age and started asking myself questions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Romans'
descendants bring about the Italian Renaissance? I
find it hard to believe that the 16th century Italians
were highly creative and artistic, but that their
Roman forebears were just a bunch of engineers whose
only forays into art were imitations of the Greeks.

I have never understood why scholars and people in
general insist on categorizing cultures with labels.
Cultures are far, far more complex than that, and the
broad label is merely the outermost skin of the onion.

---
Renata Corva

__________________________________________________
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Pigeonholed Cultures
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:50:12 -0700

Avete Renata Corva et Omnes,

While I agree with most of what you state, I think that we can state that the Italians of the 16th century are not the same Italians of the Roman Republic and Empire. By this time you had other peoples mixed in including Lombards, Byzantines and even Arabs.

I was watching a show on the Early Renaissance and during the time of the Council of Florence (when the Orthodox Church temporarily reunited with the Catholic Church), the show stated that the Florentines were in awe of the fashion of Emperor Manuel of the Byzantine Empire.

Basically what I am trying to say is that the birth of the Renaissance while born in Florence was a process that began with the Preservation of the ancients (Especially the works of Aristotle) by scholars in the Eastern Roman Empire and in the Muslim Kingdoms. It just was synthsized by the Northern Europeans who had lots of money to sponser the arts and letters.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: Chantal G. Whittington
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:42 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Pigeonholed Cultures


I've been reading over some of these arguments back
and forth about the merits and demerits of various
cultures, and my two cents' worth is that I am very
tired of hearing cultures being pigeonholed into broad
generalities, such as "X culture is too commercial."
or "Y culture is snobbish." or "Z culture is
authoritarian." I'll bet you can all guess which
culture goes with which adjective, can't you? And
surely that offends you, if you belong to one of those
cultures, as much as it does me--or it ought to.

When I was in school, history book after history book
told me that, "The ancient Romans, while brilliant
engineers and military strategists, were not
creative."

I believed this without question, until I reached a
certain age and started asking myself questions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Romans'
descendants bring about the Italian Renaissance? I
find it hard to believe that the 16th century Italians
were highly creative and artistic, but that their
Roman forebears were just a bunch of engineers whose
only forays into art were imitations of the Greeks.

I have never understood why scholars and people in
general insist on categorizing cultures with labels.
Cultures are far, far more complex than that, and the
broad label is merely the outermost skin of the onion.

---
Renata Corva

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
http://sbc.yahoo.com

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Digest No 171 Senate results/Census
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:03:23 -0400

Censores Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus et Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Quiritibus SPD

No budget was provided by the Senate this year as it was determined that the cost was
prohibitive in both manpower and monies.

"X. A budget is to be provided for the Censors' Office to offset costs for
conducting the census. This budget is to be included only for the years that
a Census takes place. The amount to be set aside would be established by the
Senate of Nova Roma."

Having lost our original "main list" earlier this year one could say that along with the list of those having paid the tax we have a reasonable idea who are active citizens. However, we will be pleased to carry out the "Bulk Email."as a part of sending out voters codes for the annual election.

Valete Bene

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 11
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:50:51 -0700
From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Senate results

Avete Quintus Lanius et Omnes,

There are laws on the books that deal with most of the points you raised up.
Recently on September 15, according to the Lex Cornelia de Censo, our Census
was to be completed. I would like the Censors to address the People of Nova
Roma regarding those results.

If you are interested in locating the text to review it please click on the
following link: http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-06-05-ii.html

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Pigeonholed Cultures
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:06:25 +0100 (BST)

Salvete

>While I agree with most of what you state, I think
>that we can state that the Italians of the 16th
>century are not the same Italians of the Roman
>Republic and Empire.  By this time you had other
>peoples mixed in including Lombards, Byzantines and
>even Arabs

And prior to this, the Italians of the Roman era were
a mixture of smaller distinct cultures such as Latins,
Etruscans and Greeks. And these, in turn no doubt,
were themselves a mixture of smaller cultures and
'tribes'. To be frank, no not Frankish ;-), we are all
the world over a mixture of differing cultures and
ethnic backgrounds, whatever our national heritage. I
don't believe that any of us are truly EAnglo-Saxon,
Italian, Germanic or whatever. And it is this cultural
mixture which I believe belies the myth of cultural
identities and 'pigeonholed' cultures. We are all
distinct individuals made up of our own distinct
cultural heritages, no two of which can ever be the
same. Of course, socialisation plays a role in this,
buts thats another thread entirely and I want to go
home from work......:-)

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:15:53 -0400

EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM

I. The right of adult citizens to freely choose to terminate their membership in a gens is hereby affirmed, and may not be interfered with by any magistrate or citizen.

II. An adult citizen wishing to leave his or her gens for any reason may do so by contacting the Censores. A minor citizen may do so with consent of his or her parent.

III. Within 18 days of receiving this request, the Censores are required to inform the citizen's
current paterfamilias of the citizen's intent to leave. The paterfamilias or materfamilias (hereafter, simply "paterfamilias") shall then have 18 days to respond to this notification, during which he can choose to impose a waiting period.

A. Email to the address of the paterfamilias registered in the Censores' database is considered sufficient notification. If that address is no longer valid, then the notification period is waived, and the citizen may immediately depart the gens.
B. If the paterfamilias fails to respond in the time allotted, or if he consents to the departure, then the Censores shall immediately remove the citizen from that gens; no further delay is necessary or allowable.
C. If the paterfamilias chooses to impose a waiting period, and notifies the Censores of such within the 18 days after the initial notification of departure, then there shall be a single 45 day period during which the departing citizen will remain a member of that gens.
D. At the end of the 45 day waiting period, if the citizen notifies the Censores that he still intends to leave the gens, then that citizen shall no longer be considered a member of that gens.

ante diem VI Kalendas October MMDCCLV avc

Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus et Censor Caius Flavius Diocletianus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Mead Recipe
From:	Arnamentia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT)

Ave! Thank you for the recipe!

I would like to try it, but am allergic to yeast. Is
there a way to make mead without that ingredient?

Arnamentia Aurelia


> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:05:57 EDT
> From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
> Subject: Re: King Arthur & Mead
>
> The festival in Oklahoma sounds interesting. Do you
> have a date on it or a
> website.
>
> There has been a great deal on NR lately about mead
> and I would like to offer
> the following receipe for those citizens who would
> like to try a simple,
> quick mead.
>
> Take three pounds of honey & boil it for 30 minutes
> in a stainless steel pot
> with one quart of water. Skim the foam that rises;
> I keep another pot of
> boiling water to dip the skimmer in to keep it
> clean. After the initinal 30
> minutes of skimming & boiling, add a tablespoon of
> peppercorns, three
> cinnamon sticks, and an ounce of fresh grated
> ginger. Cover and reduce heat
> to simmer for 30 more minutes. Take pot off heat
> and allow pot to cool to
> room temperature. When honey-water reaches room
> temperature (75-90 degrees),
> dissolve a packet of yeast (Red Star is good, but
> champagne yeast is better)
> in four ounces of warm water. Stir yeast mixture
> into pot of honey-water and
> stir well. Pour all into a clean gallon jug and add
> clean water to bring
> level to one gallon. Take a water-filled
> fermentation lock in a rubber
> stopper & shove it into the opening of the jug. If
> you have no lock, rinse a
> balloon in warm water and place over neck of jug.
> Tie it to the neck of the
> jug with some twine or string. This will allow the
> fermentation gases to
> escape & exclude air from your mead. Allow to
> ferment in a warm place for
> five days. Strain mead through a sieve into your
> stainless steel pot and
> stir in one cup of boiled honey (to act as priming
> sugar). Pour mead into a
> couple of two-litre soft drink bottles that have
> been semi-sterilized with
> hot (but not boiling water) and screw the tops down
> tight. Leave to prime in
> a warm place for two days; the bottles should become
> hard as carbonation
> builds. Chill down in refrigerator for at least one
> day (but two is better).
> Uncap carefully and decant into a pitcher leaving
> the sediment in the bottom
> of the bottle. Enjoy.
>
> Valete.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 171
From:	Duncan McPherson <dsmcpherson2001@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:13:58 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

Greetings! I was accepted into Nova Roma as a citizen
and a member of Gens Promethea a few weeks ago and
have only now obtained a moment's peace when I might
introduce myself.

Commonly known as Duncan McPherson, I am a composer &
game designer by trade, an amateur classicist by
degree and by hobby. I am also both a bit of a goof
and a little too verbose for my I own good. So it
goes.

While I am presently experiencing a "crunch" time as
my co-workers and I prepare a game for the market, I
look beyond this and forward to interacting with the
community of Nova Roma.

Be well and of good cheer!

Lucius Prometheus Cato

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Thank you
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:45:55 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Manio Constantino Serapioni S.P.D.

Congratulations, Amice, I know you're an optimum cives, a herd-worker
provincial Magistrate and first of all wondeful person.
IMHO the decision of the Senate is very important, because I'm sure
you'll can give more and more to Nova Roma as Magistrate.

Vale
F.A.C.
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae



--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@y...>
wrote:
> AVETE OPTIMI SENATORES
>
> I would like to thank you all for trusting me, allowing me to
> present my candidacy as Quaestor during next elections.
>
> I already have my programs as to what I would do in case I am
> elected, and in some way I also must thank you for not allowing me
to
> run for this office a few months ago. In fact during this period I
> had the opportunity of finding other new ideas that could be useful
> during the Quaestorship in case I will be elected.
> Time for thinking is not lost time!
>
> BENE VALETE OMNES
> Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
> Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
> Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
> Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
> ------------------------------
> PROVINCIA ITALIA
> http://italia.novaroma.org
> ------------------------------
> ADMINISTRATIO AEDILIS PLEBIS CICATRICIS
> http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix.html

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Oath Of Office
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:48:26 -0000

---Salve Nerva:

My congratulations on your appointment.

Really, the initiation to the Propraetorship will not be that bad at
all.....oh, wait

Guys, guys.........ahh did any one write Nerva and forwarn him of the
initiation........ohhhhh, noooo......I bet they didn't either.

Oh, Nerva you will be fine, just fine ! (wink)

Po



In Nova-Roma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva do hereby solemnly swear to
> uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests
> of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius
Nerva
> swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
> and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to uphold and defend
> the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never
> to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.
>
> I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to protect and defend
> the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva further swear to fulfill the
> obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor
> Mediatlantica to the best of my abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods
> and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
> accept the position of Propraetor Mediatlantica and all the rights,
> privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
> Presented this day, ante diem VI Kal. OCTOBRAS MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> {September 26, 2002}
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva
> Propraetor Mediatlantica

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Congratulations, Aurelia!
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:49:27 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

I want to give my congratulations to Illustra Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
appinted official Italian Translator.
It's very important for us because she shows how the Provincia Italia
is running and improving.
Good luck, Aurelia!

Valete
F.A.C.
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Engineers
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:57:44 -0400 (EDT)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

In my view, the Greeks while given to thinking about the world and the
things as they were then, made some astounding discoveries during the
time of Greek Dominance in the Mediterranean. While I don't believe for
a minute that this tag should be given to individuals of that culture,
the historians who study the Greek culture as a whole, tend to
generalize the Greeks as innovators, and there are some very good
reasons for this.

In the view also of historians, the Romans seem to have had a real
strength in organization and management, and in the ability to take the
ideas of the Greeks and other cultures and put them to work, and develop
those ideas into workable procedures and then into magnificent
structures of a great variety. Such then was the apparent strength of
the Roman culture, and in a collective sense is not necessarily
pigeon-holing, but rather a way of catigorizing cultures in a historical
way. Pigeon-holing, again in my view, occurs in general texts when
great periods of time are pressed into a few pages, and great cultures
are dismissed with a few categorical words.

I believe that the Greeks had those who were fully capable of organizing
and managing large and wide-spread activities and institutions, and we
know that the Romans were apparently the first to introduce such
important items as the valve, and other important discoveries, but thier
collective genius was to use effectively the ideas of others and bring
those ideas to a full realization of thier potential.

Most thinking people on this list realize the simplicity of the above
ideas and can live wih them, without undue "pigeon-holing" because that
is what we are here to do, and why we are involved. It is only the
uninitiated, the silly, and the foolish, who cannot look beyond the
veils of thier own existance and the needs of themselves as a small
group in a large world.

When you talk about any culture, you must, I believe, talk in
generalties, but when you speak to small groups and label individuals
with these same generalities, that is the action of a person who either
is not wise or has an axe to grind.

I give you this "for instance" -- Junior Consul Sulla and I are both
Americans, we both have a very similar political level of achievement in
Nova Roma as we are two of the three Magistrates who have achieved the
"Cursus Honorium." However, you will not find two people who are
farther apart in thier actions, opinions, beliefs and attitudes. So, it
will be impossible to label / pigeon-hole Americans here in Nova Roma,
any more than you can "pigeon-hole" ancient Romans as only Engineers and
ancient Greeks as only thinkers. Those who try to do so, only express
thier ignorance to all who hear thier words.

We are Romans, here on this list, aspiring hopefully to the best of the
Roman Virtues and dedicated to building a Republic which is as strong
internally as it may be long-lasting and of benefit to the rest of the
world.

While I do not advocate forgetting our macronations for a moment, I do
advocate that we bring the strenghs of our macronations to bear upon our
efforts to build this Republic rather than point our fingers at others
of a different culture and thereby cause a basic weakness in the fibre
of our growing Republic.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] King Arthur & Mead
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:03:51 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, F. Galeri.

--- PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com wrote:

<<snipped>>

> There has been a great deal on NR lately about mead and I would like
> to offer the following receipe for those citizens who would like to
> try a simple, quick mead.

Thank you very much, Galeri. I have always been curious about mead, so
I think that I will try your recipe and then inform you of the results
:-).

One question to the list: Galerius's recipe is in pounds and such.
Could someone provide a translation of those units to metric units?
Thank you in advance :-).

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES (fwd)
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:25:31 +0000

>From: "Susan Brett" <trog99@hotmail.com>
>To: scriba_forum@hotmail.com
>Subject: Fwd: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES (fwd)
>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:19:07 -0400
>
>
>
>
>>From: Matt Haase <haase@konoko.net>
>>To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
>>CC: pompeia_cornelia <trog99@hotmail.com>
>>Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES (fwd)
>>Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:53:06 -0500 (CDT)
>>
>>
>>Forwarded.
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:08:59 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: Susan Brett <pompeia_cornelia@yahoo.ca>
>>To: NovaRoma@yahoogroups.com
>>Cc: Labienus@Texas.net, Consuls@novaroma.org
>>Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES
>>
>> On behalf of the Office of the Praetors:
>>P. Cornelia Strabo Omnibus Nova Roma Mainlist S.P.D.
>>
>>By consular edictum issued by Marcus Octavius
>>Germanicus, and by subsequent will of the citizens of
>>Nova Roma through electorial process of comitia, The
>>Office of the Praetor hereby issues revised guidelines
>>to Forum Communications, to wit,
>>Nova_Roma@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>Some of the text and policies shall remain unchanged,
>>and I thank both Patricia Cassia, and despite recent
>>circumstance, the former P. Vedia Serena, for their
>>contributions to both this text and to making the
>>mainlist a safer, enjoyable place in which to
>>communicate.
>>
>>These guidelines are not a rote attempt at censorship,
>>but rather, a tool to keep communications as
>>appropriate and enjoyable as possible for everyone.
>>This way we can all celebrate our Roman heritage.
>>
>>I. The Nova Roma forum (herein referred to as 'the
>>list') is set up so that replies will automatically be
>>sent to the entire list. Please keep this in mind
>>when you are replying. You are not issuing a private
>>email. If your reply is intended for only one member,
>>and has no benefit to the rest of the list
>>subscribers, consider sending it privately.
>>
>>II. "Me too" posts, or "I hear you" posts are not
>>against the law, but they are discouraged, unless you
>>are expanding on the issue in a way other than the
>>current facts presented.
>>
>>III. Please trim your posts!! Some threads can end
>>up being as large as 50K when all the replies are
>>tagged on to an initial post. This fills up folks'
>>mailboxes rather rapidly, which can result in their
>>emails from other venues from being bounced. When you
>>have cut a portion of another persons post for
>>purposes of brevity, please indicate you have done so
>>by printing 'snipped' at that spot.
>>
>>IV. If you feel you must dispute or criticize another
>>person's post, consider doing so in private.
>>Sometimes a person makes a genuine mistake, and your
>>gentle correction via private email means much more to
>>them than potentially embarrassing them in the forum
>>over what is an innocent error. I know that during
>>political debates, private exchanges are impractical.
>>Please use discretion in this area.
>>
>> V. It is entirely appropriate to disagree publicaly
>>with another's stated views or another's actions as
>>they report such, or with the actions of Nova Roma's
>>Magistrates, Senate or otherwise appointed officials.
>>Nova Roma is an organization of individuals from a
>>wide variety of nations, religions, cultural
>>backgrounds and political viewpoints, and it is only
>>reasonable that our views should differ.
>>
>>It is not the disagreement per se which is
>>inappropriate, it is the manner in which we deliver
>>our opposing viewpoints. When expressing
>>disagreements, the following steps are recommended:
>>
>>* Express respect for the person and the entitlement
>>to his opinion, and faith in his or her good
>>intentions.
>>
>>* Point out any themes in which you do not agree.
>>
>>* If in the criticism of a person's actions, perhaps
>>in the capacity of a magistrate or senator, point out
>>specifically which actions you are referring
>>to...perhaps quote the message number of the post in
>>which you base your account and opinions. This makes
>>things more objective and often helpful to the person
>>in question, as to what, specifically, you are
>>referring to, and your issues with same.
>>
>>* in an academic debate, endeavor to offer references
>>to back up your assertions.
>>
>>* Be pleasant in the expression of your opinion, with
>>respect for the rights of others to believe
>>differently from you.
>>
>>* In the case of religious discussions, kindly confine
>>your comments regarding other religions. It is fine
>>to say that you do not agree with their spiritual path
>>and why, but it is not ok to disrespect others or to
>>embarrass them for their beliefs. Treat others as you
>>would like to be treated. There are many people here,
>>of differing religious backgrounds. It is a shame for
>>people to feel they must leave because their religious
>>path is being attacked in the forum. It is not only a
>>shame, it is against list guidelines and
>>constitutional articles on discrimination.
>>
>> Further,it is absolutely 'not' OK to:
>>
>>use profane language, misrepresent the truth for the
>>purpose of making another person look foolish, call
>>other's names, criticize a poster's personal character
>>as opposed to criticizing his ideas, make
>>derrogatory,belittling, subjective statements about
>>the Gods and Goddess of Rome (quoting from a myth
>>does not apply) or belittle deities of other religions
>>for entertainment. Further, in the interests of those
>>under 18, sexual references must be strictly within
>>the context of an historical discussion. Otherwise,
>>they are to be made in private.
>>
>>The arbitrary advertisment of goods and services
>>(SPAM) is not permitted on the Nova Roma mainlist,
>>unless the advertiser is a member of Nova Roma's
>>marketplace, the Macellum. Macellum merchants are
>>welcome to advertise from time to time in a low-key
>>fashion. This entails a signature line/file, a
>>one-time announcement of initial affiliation with the
>>Macellum, advertising in response to a post of
>>inquiry made in the forum, or an ad once every three
>>months or so advertising your presence in the
>>Macellum.
>>
>>VI If you read a post which upsets you, and you are
>>angry or sad, consider replying to the poster in
>>private, telling him how you feel. Perhaps ask him to
>>clarify his position If you are angry, wait 24 hours
>>before responding. All too often email can be
>>misinterpreted, especially if you haven't known the
>>poster for very long. Everyone has their 'writing
>>style' and it takes time to get to know peoples'
>>various 'expressions'. Quite often no harm or insult
>>was intended at all.
>>
>>If you would like to talk to me confidentially about a
>>particular post, please contact me at the above
>>address.
>>
>>VII: During the time leading up to elections (held
>>each December and occasionally at other times if
>>offices become vacant) this list is one of the forums
>>where candidates express their views and present their
>>qualifications to the populace. All of the strictures
>>governing appropriate behaviour mentioned hereto,
>>shall remain in place and apply to all candidates and
>>their supporters.
>>
>>VIII: Please do not give out personal information ie
>>address, phone number to the list. While it would be
>>pleasant to believe we are all good-hearted and sane,
>>we are not; you cannot trust in that.
>>
>>IX: Due to the influxes of SPAM and past incidents
>>of posts from those who wish nothing but to cause
>>disruption and insult to the list, or particular
>>subscribers of the list, to wit, TROLLS, it has become
>>necessary to place all new list members on Moderated
>>Status, just until we are satisfied that such persons
>>are indeed here to celebrate aspects of Roma Antiquita
>>and Nova Roma, as opposed to being here for
>>unjustifiable reasons. This is unfortunate, but it
>>has proved necessary.
>>
>> X: Language Policies
>>
>>The forum of Roma Antiquita was a large venue, with
>>people of different languages conversing, a few in
>>this corner, a few in that corner. Rome was a very
>>mulicultured place in her glory. Mind you official
>>information was in Latin, and in some cases Greek, but
>>people were free to speak informally as they wished in
>>the language of their choice. Our constitution
>>mandates freedom of communication provided it is not
>>dangerous or disruptive.
>>
>>Because of the restrictions of the language knowledge
>>of the list moderator, coupled with some trouble from
>>TROLLS and SPAM, we needed an English translation with
>>each post.
>>
>>Since we have several magistrates or legates who are
>>willing to assist with list moderation, 'informal'**
>>communication in the forum is open to most main
>>languages. Feel free to post in English, Latin,
>>Italian, Portugese, Spanish, German, French, Russian,
>>Norweigan, Finnish, Swedish, the Slavik languages. The
>>Praetors have many to thank for efforts in this
>>regard, and I shall do so in a separate post.
>>
>>***Exception: This does not contravene the Lex
>>Cornelia de Linguis Publicus
>>
>>http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lege/index/html
>>which stipulates, though electoral mandate, that any
>>offical government legislation or priestly decrees
>>must be issued in English or Latin where applicable,
>>so they can be translated verbatim into other
>>languages to be more easily understood by the entirety
>>of the populace. For further clarification, please
>>click on the link provided.
>>
>>So, if you are weak in written English and wish to
>>greet the populace in your own native language, I hope
>>the selection of languages here is helpful.
>>
>>I am always happy to add to this list of languages we
>>offer services in, commensurate with those available
>>to moderate posts in said languages.
>>
>>Since this is a new initiative, this system is on a
>>trial basis for about three months. If it is not
>>function efficiently, we will review and amend as
>>necessary, but I do not anticipate any problems.
>>
>> XI. Topics of Discussion
>>
>>The topic of this list is Ancient Rome and Nova Roma.
>>
>>The best posts include those which help us better
>>understand some aspect of Roman history, or which
>>offer ideas and energy to the furtherance of Nova
>>Roma's goals. On-topic postings include, but are not
>>limited to:
>>
>>Anything related to ancient history. This is broadly
>>iterpreted to include religion, cooking gardening,
>>family life, politics, military, costuming, medicine
>>and many other topics.
>>
>>Anything having the effect of building community among
>>list members, ie announcements of local events,
>>planning of get-togethers, sharing occasional personal
>>milestones.
>>
>>Information of interest to Nova Romans (links, news,
>>tourism information for Roman sites, updates from
>>political or religious bodies relative to Nova Roma,
>>regional or Sodalitas projects.
>>
>>The Praetors reserve the right, by their imperium to
>>call a halt to discussions which prove to be
>>off-topic, offensive, and/or dangerous and disruptive
>>as per the stipulations of the consitution of Nova
>>Roma.
>>
>>Please do not discuss well-worn and off-topic
>>controversies like gun control, abortion. Please take
>>these discussions privately.
>>
>>XII: The Praetors have the imperium to govern the
>>list, but prefer to encourage postive interaction as
>>opposed to punishing negative behaviour. In the case
>>of a poster whose actions violate these guidelines
>>aforementioned, the following escalated courses of
>>action shall be taken:
>>
>>A private memo from the Praetors' office or a Scribal
>>designate, stating the incident of infarction, and a
>>reminder to review the guidelines. Often people who
>>are new to the list are not intentionally trying to
>>upset anybody.
>>
>>Another private memo as above.
>>
>>Moderated status (the poster may post but all posts
>>they issue are first reviewed by the Praetors or their
>>designate). The length of moderation shall be
>>determined by the number of offences in the past, the
>>severity of the violation, and the intent to violate.
>>
>>(For example: Nobody is going to be placed on
>>moderated status for an extended time for failure to
>>trim posts or for saying 'me too')
>>
>>In very 'extreme' cases, one could be permanently
>>dismissed from the list, or in the case of citizens, a
>>note to the Censors could be issued recommending a
>>Nota.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Sept.26: Festival of Venus Genetrix
From:	Iulia Vopisca <iulia_uopisca@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:58:04 -0700 (PDT)

AVE AMICI:

Today, the 26th of September, is the traditional Roman Festival of Venus Genetrix.

Should you wish to celebrate with me in honor of the Goddess of Love and Beauty,

please visit my page of offering to Her at:

http://www.aztriad.com/veneri.html

I send you wishes for peace, happiness, and prosperity. May love be ever present in your life, and may you always appreciate it when you have it!





PACEM VENIAMQVE DEORVM TIBI EXOPTET IVLIA VOPISCA

http://www.aztriad.com/indexjcc.html

* DIXIT HORATIVS: OMNE TVLIT PVNCTVM QVI MISCVIT VTILE DVLCI *



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:13:51 -0500

Hail Scaevola!!







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----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire


On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:43:19PM +0100, me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:

> Now there's a huge difference to start with: about the only Europeans
> who'd admit to a phrase like 'beloved country' beloong to the kind of
> political parties everybody'd like to ban before they get power and
> ban everybody else! Two words I do not understand at all, at least in
> context: "American + Culture"?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
American: of or relating to the United States of America or its people
or language or culture
Culture: the knowledge and values shared by a society
----------------------------------------------------------------------

In what way does your understanding of the above terms fail to match the
dictionary definitions? I'm perfectly willing to either fill in a
knowledge gap or stomp on yet another snide remark about the US; feel
free to elucidate your meaning.


Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Concordia parvae res crescunt, discordia maximae dilabuntur.
Through unity the small thing grows, through disunity the largest thing crumbles.
-- Sallust, "Jugurtha"

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:19:45 -0500

Senator:

Why shouldn't we be allowed our bane or opium? Life is suffering. Certainly you must agree that the Gods represent the tangible manifestation of the unknown, unexplainable power or moving force behind existence? Even if its not true, it is right and proper to worship, pray to, and recognize the absolute metaphysical certitude that human conscience is something radically unique, at least on this planet. And therefore, "divinely" created or inspired. Certainly one could take on oath on that?

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola









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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary E. McGrath
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:02 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Resignation


Fellow Senators and Citizens of Nova Roma:

I will keep this short and to the point.
I have come to a point in my life where I have begun to look
critically into what may be called my "life stance/philosophy of
life" and have come to the simple conclusion that, as blunt as some
of you may think this sounds, there is no "God", nor "Gods"
and/or "Goddesses' ", "demons" et cetera. Quite frankly in my humble
opinion, religion, of any ilk, is the "bane" of man's existence.
More to the point as regards NR and my position as Senator, I
can no longer, in good conscience, support paragraph VI. a. of the NR
Constitution. To even give tacit approval of any religion, as
is "required" in the NR Constitution, i.e.- "All . . . Senators, as
officers of the State, shall be required to publicly show respect for
the Religio Romana. . . Senators and citizens need not be
practitioners of the Religio Romana, but may not engage in any
activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the Gods. . .", is
no longer in keeping with my philosophy of life.
Therefore, effective immediately, I hereby resign as Senator
and Citizen of Nova Roma.


Respectfully,
Gary E. McGrath
formerly -- Marcus Iunius Iulianus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A compromise has not yet been reached!
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:34:32 EDT

In a message dated 9/26/02 8:33:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, haase@konoko.net
writes:


> This proposal had the support of most of the Senate who have expressed
> an opinion; but the Senate has been prevented from expressing its will.
>

Citizens of Rome!

The Senior Consul is cannot be sure of the above statement, yet he makes it
anyway? You should be aware of the additional facts in these matter.
Among the Graybeards here in the Senate, there is organized opposition
against this lex. We agreed that the Senate would have to debate this issue
and a compromise reached before we took the next step. Yet the Consul
disregarded this request. We are attempting to reach a compromise that will
satisfy all parties, not just the Senior Consul and the Pontifix Maximus,
who, while important people, are not the voice of the Senate even though they
pretend to be. When the Senate reaches its compromise, you will know it.
Until then, you should await developments and not jump to any conclusions.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:46:04 EDT

In a message dated 9/26/02 9:16:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
vergil@starpower.net writes:


> EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
>
> I. The right of adult citizens to freely choose to terminate their
> membership in a gens is hereby affirmed, and may not be interfered with by
> any magistrate or citizen.
>
> II. An adult citizen wishing to leave his or her gens for any reason may do
> so by contacting the Censores. A minor citizen may do so with consent of
> his or her parent.
>
>

Censors. Please quote the relevant section of the constitution that allows
you to issue such an Edictum.
I'm sure the People would like to see it.

Valete!
Q. Fabius Maximus.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:52:30 -0000

---Salvete Gai Basilicate et alii:

Very uniquely expressed, Gaius Basilicatus and my answer to your
presented question is 'yes'.

I am very moved by the degree of kindness and encouragement expressed
by our populace toward this resigned Senator.

We have alot of true Romans in our midst....what a gift :)

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor


In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@k...>
wrote:
> Senator:
>
> Why shouldn't we be allowed our bane or opium? Life is suffering.
Certainly you must agree that the Gods represent the tangible
manifestation of the unknown, unexplainable power or moving force
behind existence? Even if its not true, it is right and proper to
worship, pray to, and recognize the absolute metaphysical certitude
that human conscience is something radically unique, at least on this
planet. And therefore, "divinely" created or inspired. Certainly one
could take on oath on that?
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary E. McGrath
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:02 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
>
>
> Fellow Senators and Citizens of Nova Roma:
>
> I will keep this short and to the point.
> I have come to a point in my life where I have begun to
look
> critically into what may be called my "life stance/philosophy of
> life" and have come to the simple conclusion that, as blunt as
some
> of you may think this sounds, there is no "God", nor "Gods"
> and/or "Goddesses' ", "demons" et cetera. Quite frankly in my
humble
> opinion, religion, of any ilk, is the "bane" of man's existence.
> More to the point as regards NR and my position as Senator,
I
> can no longer, in good conscience, support paragraph VI. a. of
the NR
> Constitution. To even give tacit approval of any religion, as
> is "required" in the NR Constitution, i.e.- "All . . . Senators,
as
> officers of the State, shall be required to publicly show respect
for
> the Religio Romana. . . Senators and citizens need not be
> practitioners of the Religio Romana, but may not engage in any
> activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the Gods. . .",
is
> no longer in keeping with my philosophy of life.
> Therefore, effective immediately, I hereby resign as
Senator
> and Citizen of Nova Roma.
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Gary E. McGrath
> formerly -- Marcus Iunius Iulianus
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Greek firewalking festival
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:58:02 -0000

AVE VALERIA CONSTANTINA

Thank you for your posting. It was very interesting! I didn't knew
anything about this group and its rituals.
I will look for that text.
Perhaps there is some relevant information on the CD? Name of the
person who choose the tracks, place where it has been recorded...
perhaps it would be possible to find the person who had to deal with
it and directly ask him!

BENE VALE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A compromise has not yet been reached!
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:49 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Senator Quinte Fabi,

> > This proposal had the support of most of the Senate who have expressed
> > an opinion; but the Senate has been prevented from expressing its will.

> The Senior Consul is cannot be sure of the above statement, yet he makes
> it anyway?

Yes, I am absolutely sure of the truth of the above statement.

The Cassius/Labienus plan was publically supported on the Senate List
by myself, M. Cassius, T. Labienus, M. Minucius, L. Equitius, C. Flavius,
C. Fabius, L. Sergius, and A. Gryllus.

It was opposed by you, L. Cornelius, P. Cornelia, and D. Iunius.

Eight is higher than four, last time I checked.

> You should be aware of the additional facts in these matter.
> Among the Graybeards here in the Senate, there is organized opposition
> against this lex.

Among the Graybeards there is organized support for this lex. (The
literal graybeards, M. Minucius and C. Fabius, are very much in favor).

> We agreed that the Senate would have to debate this issue
> and a compromise reached before we took the next step. Yet the Consul
> disregarded this request.

We made our best effort to reach a compromise - but one person, who
unfortunately has the power to veto, refused to allow anything whatsoever
that would not have him left firmly established in a position of power
over the others who chose his gens.

> We are attempting to reach a compromise that will
> satisfy all parties, not just the Senior Consul and the Pontifix Maximus,
> who, while important people, are not the voice of the Senate even though they
> pretend to be.

Nor are you the voice of the Senate, nor is the Junior Consul.

I have done my best to allow the actual voice of the Senate to be heard,
by placing on the agenda an item that would have received votes from
a majority of us. But in defiance of a majority of active Senators,
it was vetoed, and the voice of the Senate was disregarded.

> When the Senate reaches its compromise, you will know it.

The will of the Senate is in favor of the Cassius/Labienus plan. It
is being blocked by one magistrate, and one only.

Recently, another proposal has appeared on the Senate list. It seems
to have less support than the plan that was recently vetoed; but I will
allow it to go to a Senate vote anyway, if the proponents ask that it
be voted upon. It will be given the fair chance that the
Cassius/Labienus proposal never had. If the Senate approves it,
it may then go to the Comitia - but I insist that it pass the
Senate's scrutiny first, in order to restore the preeminence of the
Senate that your faction has tried to strip away.

I have, from the beginning of my Consulship, sought the Senate's
approval for everything of importance. I have not spit in their
faces, as my colleague did with this latest veto. Everything I do,
will be with the Senate's support.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Back up
From:	"radams36" <radams36@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:33:06 -0000

> There was an excellent book on Nostradamus by one of a rare breed
who do not interest themselves in him enough: a mediaeval French
history specialist. Her version reads that (1) He was writing for a
mindset almost opposite to ours: magic was credible, common sense if
it defied common belief dangerous (Compare Stalin's reaction to
being told that Hitler had invaded); (2) Even if he'd known about
it, he didn't give one little damn about the Center of The World
across the Atlantic: his world was French, he cared about France and
even more so about Provence, which was then in practice a separate
nation; (3) Some things cannot be said, such as 'The Turks have
better organisation and weapons and unless Christians stop bickering
they'll wipe the floor with us, East first, west to come". East they
did, West not quite as succesfull.
<SNIP>
> I believe she got it right: prediction was a practical art, not
something for generations far to come. He would use *all*
intelligence, in the military, common and (today) disbelieved sense
to forecast a likely future where success might reward his relatives
if not himself. He would not be rewarded for telling the King what
might happen in 500 years' time to somebody else.
> So I take it there is code but it is code to hide the unaccepted
rational as the acceptable irrational and it all happened so long
ago that it's been forgotten. Just as Isaiah's 'prophesy' about his
King's pregnant new wife and the Assyrian threat was forgotten and
reworked to any Messiah you like.
> Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis

Ah, That was satisfying!

A very informative and entertaining post, and very much appreciated!
Well done, amice!

Vale bene!

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Current population
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:34:23 +0200

Salve Illustris Senior Consul and Curator Araneum!

We got a message some time ago from the Censors that the population
of Nova Roma had reached 1.500. When I look at the front page of the
Nova Roma site I still see: "Current population: MCDLXXIII (1473)". I
guess that we are some more? ;-) Could You please tell us how many
citizens we are now?
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

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"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Current population
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:40:30 -0300 (ART)

Salvete

According with the Album Civium, Nova Roma has 1554
cives. That is, MDLIV, and growing!
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/cives

Vale
Marcus Arminius

--- Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@telia.com> escreveu: > Salve
Illustris Senior Consul and Curator Araneum!
>
> We got a message some time ago from the Censors that
> the population
> of Nova Roma had reached 1.500. When I look at the
> front page of the
> Nova Roma site I still see: "Current population:
> MCDLXXIII (1473)". I
> guess that we are some more? ;-) Could You please
> tell us how many
> citizens we are now?
> --
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senator et Senior Curule Aedile


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Romans and cats
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:44:35 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>

>reprisals. Also I read domestic cats were brought to England by the
>Romans. Anyway see the sight below.
>
Were they truly domestic or related to an imported religion? I can imagine that they were more tolerated as benign parasites keeping other vermin down than as pets. The interesting thing is the word itself, which seems to have been borrowed into Latin and must have been spread from it since it is the common European word. Their loathing of wet (they catch pneumonia easily) shows they must have spread from a dry area apart from the lynxes and wild cats, if those are truly wild and not descendents of earlier imports gone feral. So where does the word Felis come from? It is not the spoken Latin ancestor of the modern word; did it ever mean a cat as we know it, or was it a wildcat or a lynx? Assuming they have survived Milosovic, Lynxes (Lynkoi?) still exist in tiny numbers in the Balkans.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Current population
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:46:52 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Senator Caeso Fabi,

I've updated this (in all seven versions of the main page) to 1554.

Vale, Octavius.

> We got a message some time ago from the Censors that the population
> of Nova Roma had reached 1.500. When I look at the front page of the
> Nova Roma site I still see: "Current population: MCDLXXIII (1473)". I
> guess that we are some more? ;-) Could You please tell us how many
> citizens we are now?

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Headline - Hail Bush: A new Roman empire
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:00:25 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : “L. Sicinius Drusus“ <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
>“Religous Fanatic Athesist“, though logic dosen't seem
>to be one of Chomsky's strong points.
>
That would account for his having revolutionised, if not invented, the science of mathematical linguistics over the past 40 years then...
No doubt he is in good company with the shades of those other closest Commy liberal deadhead pacifists, Robert Oppenheimer and Albert Einstein?
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] HAIL BUSH_ A NEW ROMAN EMPIRE...FROM THE PRAETOR
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:09:43 -0000

Is "off topic"

Owing to the fact that it started a major ruckous on Wednesday
morning, with mucho fur flying, I declared it a thread to be taken in
private.

Please see the List Guidelines posted today.

I have written countless notes to those who are continuing to post
to 'puleeze' take it up in private, plus I have intercepted some
pending notes, responding and perpetuating the same nasty
conversation I am trying to avoid, not to mention that the thread in
general waned in Roman content. I am not going to write any more.

I would rather approach things like Chamberlain, but I fear I must
now be a Churchill...nice, but a little bit tougher.

Those who post on this thread any further shall be placed on
moderated status for two weeks.

"No more Mrs. Nice Guy" :)

Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor et List Moderator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Current population
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:53:22 +0200

Salve Illustris Marcus Arminius Maior!

Thank You for the fast answer!

>Salvete
>
>According with the Album Civium, Nova Roma has 1554
>cives. That is, MDLIV, and growing!
>http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/cives
>
>Vale
>Marcus Arminius

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Current population
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:52:13 +0200

Salve Illustris Senior Consul!

Thank You for You fast answer! It is good to see us continuing to
grow, still we must also continue to change Nova Roma so that
citizens will want to stay. ;-)

>Salve Senator Caeso Fabi,
>
>I've updated this (in all seven versions of the main page) to 1554.
>
>Vale, Octavius.
>
>> We got a message some time ago from the Censors that the population
>> of Nova Roma had reached 1.500. When I look at the front page of the
>> Nova Roma site I still see: "Current population: MCDLXXIII (1473)". I
>> guess that we are some more? ;-) Could You please tell us how many
>> citizens we are now?
>
>--
>Marcus Octavius Germanicus
>Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
>Curator Araneum et Senator


--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Praetrix and the Bush thread
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:23:57 +0200

Salve Illustra Pompeia Cornelia Strabo et Salvete Quirites!

I for one am _very_ tired of these kind of threads (for example the
Bush thread) and of those who take up the provocation. Thank You
Illustra Pompeia Cornelia Strabo for trying to steer the discussion
towards more Roman things.

I, and my Cohors Aedilis, have one more Ludi (Ludi Victoria) to go,
we have organized a Nova Roman Rally in Belgium, I am working very
hard together with the Triumviri of the Academia Thules to strengthen
the possibilities of the Academia and so on. I know that many, many
more are doing a very good job in building Nova Roma into a strong
force that will further the Roman cause. Let us leave this bickering!
Please Quirites join in a serious attempt to really create things
that will strengthen Nova Roma!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Talk of the Veto et al
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:06:54 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

A couple of clarifications, if I may:

Today, our Senior Consul Marcus Octavius Germanicus revealed today
that another proposal (actually there was more than one proposal
before the veto) was presented to the Senate, but that 'it seemed to
have less support" than the one vetoed.

I am not sure how such a statement can even "seemingly" be accurate,
in that not all Senators commented on it. It is like advertising
that 4 out of 5 people recommend a shampoo, when indeed only 5 people
were asked about it.

We were in the middle of a Senate vote, and I had hoped Conscript
conversation on this would be minimal, so that time could be devoted
to matters on the ballot.

So I do not think that one can represent the Senate as disapproving
of 'the other proposal' to this populace, as, again, not all Senators
gave opinion.

Guilty as charged. In an effort to ameliorate the situation and
write up a composite package addressing the needs and concerns of
those expressed in chambers and by this populace, I wrote up a draft,
which was tweaked by two Senior Senators interested in assisting me,
and providing, justice, historicity and a plan for positive growth.

That is the job of the Praetores, no?.... to lend themselves to the
creation of appropriate civil law, which to me, inevitably entails
social law.

Should we even be talking about the dynamics of each individual
Senator in chambers 'anyway', Marcus Octavius? What is done is done,
and we move on, and people only get fragments of the story, as I have
tried to convey here, which in the final analysis, does little good.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor