Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Moor Dig Finds Roman Iron Factory
From:	"Julia Passamonti-Colamartino" <bast13@adelphia.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:38:04 -0000

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/england/2279227.stm

This article will definitely interest you.
Salve,
Iulia Cassia Vegetia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Asterix et Obelix
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:26:48 -0000

---Salvete Sexte Apolloni et alii:

Well, if not for being the residence of Asterix, St. Malo is a very
important place to Canadians.

It was the home birth of Jacques Cartier, who sailed and established
settlement in Canada Orientalis provincia of Nova Roma. He settled
in Nova Gallia (Quebec).

He is noted for being befriended by the Huron Tribe of the First
Nations, and for marvelling the Huron nation in one particular
incident. Apparently, while at dinner with them, the Iroquois nation
attacked and Cartier scared them off with a fire of his musket, which
sent them running. Natually, as the first nations got used to
muskets, they did not scare so easily in subsequent encounters.

Just a little not-so-ancient Roman history for you :)

I'll stop here because the history from Jacques Cartier to the
current Legatus Marcus Darius Firmitus is alot of history from Nova
Gallia !:)

Bene vale,
Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@y..., Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@y...>
wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Asterix does not live in St Malo but in an hypothetic village!!
>
> Vale,
>
> --- me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From : Marilde Goliardi Perdomo <gmarilde@h...>
> > To : Nova-Roma@y...
> > Date : 25 September 2002 02:01:56
> > Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Asterix et Obelix
> >
> > >Pious Iuppiter!!! I have always felt that those adventures of
Asterix and
> > >Obelix are insulting. As a Roman I can't stand this kind of
mockery.
> > >Uhhh...had to say that.
> > >
> > >Valeria Constantinia Iuliana.
> > >
> > Merciful gods! Though Romans were not noted for a sense of
humour. Does
> > anyone agree that according to the map, Asterix lives in St.
Malo, 'La cité
> > corsaire', still robbing all who pass near or through in defiance
of any law
> > known to France or Europe?
> > Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis
> >
> >
> > --
> > Personalised email by http://another.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
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>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gentle Reminder
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:32:28 -0000

Salve,

Just a gentle reminder that today is a market day.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Talk of the Veto et al
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:56:38 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Pompeia Cornelia,

> I am not sure how such a statement can even "seemingly" be accurate,
> in that not all Senators commented on it.

It is still relatively fresh, and support for it may certainly grow
in time.

If you want to bring it to a vote in the Senate, we can do so; I
will not veto it. It'll have the fair chance that Cassius and
Labienus' proposal never got... but it must be first approved by
the Senate before presentation to the Comitia.

> So I do not think that one can represent the Senate as disapproving
> of 'the other proposal' to this populace, as, again, not all Senators
> gave opinion.

I agree, and apologize if I gave the impression that disapproval has
been expressed. Few Senators have posted their opinion on it yet.

However, I do stand by the statement that it has received "less support";
at the moment, that is true, because while nine Senators expressed
support for the vetoed proposal, fewer have yet done so for the
one posted a few days ago. This may certainly change.

> Should we even be talking about the dynamics of each individual
> Senator in chambers 'anyway', Marcus Octavius?

Senator Quintus Fabius accused me of making a statement that I
"cannot be sure of"; it was necessary to refute this with the facts.

The majority of the active Senators who have expressed an opinion
on the subject are in favor of the Cassius/Labienus plan. That is
a fact, easily verifiable in the Senate records. That the Senate
was prohibited from expressing its opinion as a Senatus Consultum
is shameful.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Legion XXIV Vicesima Quarta Newsletter Sept. 2002
From:	Legion XXIV <legionxxiv@comcast.net>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:20:19 -0400

VICESIMA QUARTA - SEPTEMBER 2002
LEGION XXIV MEDIA ATLANTIA
Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid-Atlantic Province of North America

Avete et Salutatio Commilitones

Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org

John Ebel, Primus Palus, Lead Gladiator
Box 2146 - East Hampton, NY 11937
631-329-2430 home 800-926-2306 office

NEW MEMBERS
James Cantrell, Postumus Quintius Varus, signed-up some time ago
and he may not have been introduced to you. He is from Dover Delaware
and he is working on getting his kit together. Our apologies for this
belated introduction. Welcome aboard Jim!

Quinton Johansen, Marcus Quintius Clavus, of Waterbury CN; comes to
us almost fully equipped with armor, gladius, helmet, scutum and most of
his kit together. He turned out at Roman Days last June and was also
with us at the Lakewood Lions Ren Faire on September 22.
What a treat to have a trooper come into the Legion ready to serve!
Marcus Quintius, you're in Legion XXIV Now !!

Dan Zeidler, Cneaus Valerius Dannicus, has returned "stateside" from
Kunsan AFB in Korea. He signed up with the Legion while in Korea
and he is now getting himself settled into his new job and
home in Edgewater, NJ. Welcome back Dannicus!!

Brian Mackey of Garden City Park, NY, is joining us as a Citizen.
He is also well versed in Roman history. We are always in need of
civilians as most of us prefer to be soldiers, so his presence at our events
will provide a welcome balance between our military and
civilian impressions.

Mark Zaslavsky of Flemington, NJ has just signed-on as a recruit.
He is a welcome addition, being from the Philadelphia region, and
it is hoped he will help to boost our attendance at the increasing number
of events in which we are being invited to participate.

Robert Jason Boss, Marcus Velius Lasonus, requested admission into
our NovaRoma Gens Velia, and therefore ipso facto, becomes an
associate member of Legion XXIV. He is a journalism student at Rowan University in Glassboro, NJ and studied Latin for four years!
He is also quite interested in Roman history and culture and should be an
asset to the Legion.
Marcus, When do the Latin Lessons begin?

NOVAROMA MARKET DAYS - AFTER ACTION
The following, with additional comments by your Commander, is taken
from the Report made by our Noble Senator Audens to NovaRoma;
and I thank him for his efforts.

I am pleased to secondarily report the success of the Roman Market
Days Event. I wish to thank Senators Cassia, and Cassius for their
extensive efforts in arranging the event, and the efforts of "La Wren's
Nest" as co-sponsors, both as a Roman Sutlery, and as excellent
Roman friends of the first class!

My wife and I arrived in Wells in the early afternoon and almost
immediately made contact with the Ludi Maxmus Gladitori Commander "Maximus"
Mecurius Minucius Gladius (John Ebel).
We shared notes on the location of the event, and after some refreshment
from the long drive North, we went out to the "Sacred Oaks" grounds
there to meet the "La Wren's Nest" people and be assigned to our
positions. On Friday P.M. we set up tents and furniture and used the
very convenient building at the event grounds to store valuable items for
the Event on the following day.

While we were at the event grounds, Commander Gallio (Legio XXIV) arrived
and began setting up the Legio displays. Maximus began the
set-up of the Gladitori School and I set up the Senators's tent and the
perimeter stakes. The "Wolf of Britain" and his wife then arrived and
set up their tent and furniture.

In the late afternoon, Maximus, Gallio, the Wolf and his wife, myself and
my wife adjourned from our labors and had a very nice supper at a local
"Steakhouse" restaurant in Wells, and then agreeing to meet at 0800 in
the morning went off for a good night's sleep.

We joined the others at about 0800 in the morning and completed the
camp and school set-up by 10:00 A.M., at which time the visitors began
to arrive. The program called for a Gladiator's activity in the morning
and a set of Gladiator fights in the afternoon.

The morning program saw a skit put on in the Gladitori Camp which
featured an offer of membership in the Gladitori School to the "Wolf of
Britain" (Michael Catellier) an angry, frustrated and very dangerous
British barbarian; who had distinguished himself in the "games" by his
ability to survive, and deal effectively with his opponents. The skit was
completed to the satisfaction of all, with the "Wolf" accepting the offer,
after an explanation by "Maximus" to the crowd of spectators of how he
Maximus had come to the part of a Gladiator from his honorable position
as a promising Legionary.

The four Gladiators then spent the rest of the day demonstrating their
"practice" against each other and against the "practice butts" of the
school. The "Wolf" had designed and built a "tilting target" for the
training of gladiators. The display of weapons and helmets set out for the
pleasure of the visitors was very extensive. Four new gate banners of red
and black were made up by La Wren's Nest to hang from the 12 foot tall
banner poles assembled by Commander Gallio. Several people from the Ludi
also contributed new material for the school. It is very satisfying to
see that the members of the Ludi are interested in furthering both
Nova Roma and the Ludi as well. The Ludi is becoming a reenactment unit to
be a proud part of, and a major component of Legion XXIV.

Meanwhile just a few steps away, Commander Gallio and Marcus
Quintius Clavus (Quinton Johanson) were giving some very informative and
impressive presentations regarding the Legion weapons and
artifacts. Both groups pretty well kept up a running dialog all through the
day, answering questions and giving practical demonstrations as well
as verbal presentations.

Inside the building were book sutlers and a local Roman Study group,
as well as a table devoted to Nova Roma materials and Roman artifacts. A
lovely "Roman Food Board" was provided for the spectators
and the dining room was pretty near full all day. I am told that the food
was outstanding, and the spectators were fully appreciative. There was also
a second period weapon display and some models of various engineering
undertakings and some maps and diagrams associated with Roman
road-building.

Throughout the day, the crowd of visitors (many stayed the whole day in
order to sample everything offered) moved between the areas of interest
and received Roman presentations related to the various areas and specific
tools and weapons. The number of visitors, at times, taxed the
available parking spaces and the local police helped to control access
to the event. Based on the large turn-out, a larger venue would be
required in the future.

In the mid-afternoon, the crowd gathered for the gladiatorial fights of the
day. The Vestal was appointed and a Linista was chosen to officiate.
Two Aediles were chosen from the crowd as the Game Managers, and the scene
was set for the spectators about the expectations from a
Roman Crowd.

The first battle was between two criminals sentenced to death. They
entered the arena chained together by the foot, one with a shield, and
one with a club. The action of both of these Gladiators was superb, in
that they both appeared to be completely terrorized by their situation,
and what was about to happen. The fight between them was furious with
round after round of bashing at each other with shield and club.
Finally the club-man tripped the shield-man with the chain, and
overwhelmed him beating his opponent "to death" with the club.
Unfortunately, the winner of this contest in his relief at being alive
began to brag that he was a "true Gladiator" and "Maximus" was called
into the ring to dispatch him by "breaking" his neck. The sounds of the
dispatch were very impressive!!

The next activity was a point-match between the "Wolf" and Maximus.
This had not been done previously and the Linista would be responsible
to call out three kinds of hits on each person, the tally of which was
kept by each of the two Aediles to be presented to the "spectatores"
for their decision as to the winner. Both contestants fought with wooden
swords.

Both Gladiators were experienced and the fight was spirited and
extremely rapid action with the fighters circling, looking for advantage
and attacking each other as the opportunity offered. The "Wolf" fought
with a Roman Gladius and a small round shield. Maximus fought with a
Dacian crooked "Sica" sword, and a medium sized shield. The "Wolf" wore ring
maile on his left arm. Maximus wore padding and leather greaves. At the
end of the first bout Maximus was declared the winner, and the crowd
clamored for more. After a brief respite and an
explanation to the spectators about the weapons and armor being used, the
second bout began. Again the fighters moved in close. "Wolf" had opted for
a larger shield and each man now having the measure of the other bore in
hard on his opponent. Shield bashing and sword thrusts came too fast to
narrate and at last the final winner was declared---"Maximus" all around!!!!
The crowd chanted "Maximus!" "MAXIMUS!"

The participants in the Gladiator Conflict were named and applauded,
Nova Roma was strongly recommended to all who attended and
directions provided for any participant wishing to be further involved.
Information sheets for Nova Roma, the Sodalitas Militarium, and the Ludi
Maximas Gladitori as well as Legio XXIV were available to all spectators
and were distributed throughout the day.

A few last minute presentations, and the "Roman Market Days" closed for
another year. All who attended as participants agreed that it should be
indulged next year, and many of the spectators went out of their way to
assure the participants of their support for a next year's event.

Senators Muerrulus and wife joined us with children in the afternoon,
and Senator Palladius was with us as well. Master Falco, joined us
together with my new friend and Greek philosopher, and our military man
from Guantanamo Bay and his lovely wife. The Legionary from Legion
XXIV who assisted in the Legio presentations were all most happily
seen again and the pleasure of having a face-to-face with these was a
special one.

Following the day's events we all, as wished to, adjourned to a local
Italian Restaurant for a great supper and much hilarity, and fun.
All in all, it was a superb day and one of the best reenactments that I have
enjoyed in some time. My personal thanks to the Cassi for their idea
and the excellent event. If invited, I will certainly again journey to
the north to partake in such fun again!!!

Respectfully; Marcus Minucius Audens

My thanks to Marcus Minucius Audens, who has a seemingly limitless ability
to hold a group of people spellbound. He did double duty, presenting
information about the military auxiliaries while also performing as
"Lanista" of the Ludus Magnus.

We also had the pleasure of having Numerius Cassius Niger, Gaius Lanius
Falco and Quintus Cassius Calvus for the first time. Gaius Cassius Nerva and
his wife traveled all the way from Maryland to attend!
This was there first NovaRoma event and they took to their roles as
"speculatories" for the gladiatorial games very well. Their presence
certainly added to the authenticity of the "Games" and the Event.
We were honored to have the presence of two more Senators who
came considerable distances to be with us. Our thanks to all who
turned-out and made this Market Days Event such a success.

There was much talk of doing the event again next year, so I expect
something will be in the works shortly -- at a bigger site?

LAKEWOOD LIONS REN FAIRE - AFTER ACTION
This event was well covered by four of our members. Allen Barbato,
appeared as mighty gladiator "Aulus Cornelius Scipio Barbatus", along with
his 10 year old son, Patrick, who was attired in red tunic, caligae
and cingulum. James Massimillo,Jr and Quinton Johansen (Marcus
Quintius Clavus), served along with your Commander as legionaries. Jim also
had his fiancée with him attired in period dress and she provided a
welcome civilian presence to our impression.
The good weather brought out upwards of 2000 visitors, and at times,
they were standing three and four deep as we explained the military
aspects and heritage of Ancient Rome. We all took turns with what seemed
like a near constant stream of interested visitors to our camp.
It was a very successful campaign.
The Lion's Club organizer, Don Alimieny was very pleased with our
presentation and we can probably look for a return engagement next year.
My thanks go out to Aulus & Patrick; Marcus, Jim and his fiancée for one of
the best turn-outs thus far at a Legion XXIV event.

UPCOMING CAMPAIGNS !!!

COLUMBUS DAY PARADE PHILA = Oct 13
The Legion has been invited to accompany staff members of the Univ.-PA
Museum in Philadelphia, as they parade down Broad Street to publicize
the re-opening of their Greco-Roman Exhibit, scheduled for March 2003.
The "step-off" will be 12 Noon from Broad and Federal Streets (1200 South
Broad), in South Philadelphia. Broad Street is the major north-south
street, intersecting the well known City Hall and Tower.
No tactics, just chat-up the crowds and look proud as Roman soldiers!
If you wish to join us, please contact the Commander and he will provide
more precise directions and details on where to assemble, etc.

EVENING DEMONSTRATION SPRINGFIELD, PA = Oct 15
Tuesday, October 15, is a demonstration at the Hanby Masonic Lodge
in Springfield PA, 400 Woodland Ave, PA-420, west of Philly in
Delaware County. We will be fed at 6 PM and then we will provide some
insight into what it was like to be a Roman legionary in the First Century
AD. The Commander normally does these demo's on his own, but as
this one is in the evening, he would welcome any members to turn-out
and assist him.
Contact the Commander for directions if you can attend or search
www.mapquest.com using
"400 Woodland Avenue, Springfield, PA 19064".

GLADIATOR MOVIE SCREENING = Nov - 2
There will be screening of the movie "Gladiator" at the Univ.-PA Museum,
33rd and Spruce Sts, on Saturday, Nov-2 at 3 PM. We have been asked
to have a contingent of Roman soldiers/gladiators present to demonstrate
what Maximus's troops should have looked like. We will be circulating
through the Museum's galleries from 12 Noon till movie time at 2PM.
This will be a good opportunity for us to demonstrate what was right and
wrong with "Gladiator" and explain why the Movie is a good story; but bad
history!
The Ludus Magnus, our Great School of the Gladiator has been invited
to do a "Show and Tell" on gladiatorial combat and methodology.

GLADIATOR MOVIE PROP AND PRODUCTION LECTURE
Also on Saturday, Nov-2, 12:00 Noon, there will be a lecture by
Tim Pafik, author of the forthcoming book, "Gladiator, The Armour, Costumes,
and Weaponry", illustrating how the designers and armourers of the film
"Gladiator" began with historical research, brought their ideas into the
workshop, and saw their creations used on the battlefields and arenas of
"Gladiator." The audience will also discover the Hollywood secrets of
special effects weaponry and armour. A selection of props from the film will
be available for the audience to inspect first-hand.

WEAPONRY AND ARMOUR FROM THE MOVIE "GLADIATOR"
Saturday, November 2 through Sunday, December 1
Univ.-PA Museum - 33rd and Spruce Streets - Philadelphia
This display opens in conjunction with the first day of the Museum's
month-long Saturday film series, Ecco Roma, Città Eterna:
A Cinematic Journey of Discovery. As a tribute to the "Gladiator"
effect and the enormous impact the film "Gladiator" has had in redefining
the classical world in modern popular culture, UPM will have a special
display of weaponry and armour created for that film. These original props
include a collection of gladiatorial equipment from the provincial arena
scenes (shield, axe, flail, mace and swords, and helmet) and from
the opening battle scenes between Romans and barbarians, such as a
legionary cuirass, helmet, belt, sword, and special effects retractable
dagger. A larger display of costumes and weaponry from the movie, and the
sword used by Russell Crowe in the Colosseum scenes, is planned to coincide
with the opening of "Worlds Intertwined: Etruscans, Greeks,
and Romans" on March 16, 2003.

While we as reenactors may not consider the Movie "Gladiator" and its
props to be as authentic as we might wish, it would be interesting to
hear the details behind the Production and get an "up-close" look at the
props none the less.

For directions: consult www.mapquest.com using "33rd & Spruce Sts, Phila,
19104". Use South Street exit, west off of I-76, Schuykill
Expressway to first "light", left on Convention Avenue to entrance alley
on right past garage.

UPCOMING CAMPAIGNS

Oct 13 Columbus Day Parade with Univ.-PA Museum, Phila.
12 Noon at Broad and Federal Sts. For directions,
consult www.mapquest.com using
"1200 Broad Street, Phila 19146 "
Oct 15 Roman Demo, Hanby Lodge, Springfield, PA 6PM Dinner
Nov 2 Legionary and Gladiatorial Presence for Movie "Gladiator",
UPM, 12noon - 3PM, 33rd and Spruce, Phila.
Dec 20-21 Market Place 29AD Advent Program, Christ UMC,
Broomall, PA

2003
Mar 15 Roman atmosphere for Univ.-PA Museum Gala and Grand
March to Exhibit, 5PM - 9PM, Philadelphia
Mar 16 Legion and Gladiatorial Encampment and Demonstrations, UPM,
with Legion XX. 10AM - 4PM
Mar 19 or 20 Roman atmosphere for UPM Member's Opening Party,
6 - 9PM, Philadelphia

Checked our Website lately? New pages have been added detailing
the remains of the colossal statue of Constantine in Rome.
A new alphabetic index has been added. More photos.
It has links to other reenactment Roman Legions worldwide,
Historical Sources and Suppliers. Pages deal with Standards & Guidelines,
Equipment, Weapons and Armor. Extensive Timeline, Glossary and Photo
Gallery Thru Time. Other pages deal with the History of Rome and its
Legions,
Gladiatorial Combat and the Colosseum. Check it Out!

Thanking you for your support of Legion XXIV,

I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor

(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic

Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire

Gallio / George




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Yeast and fermentation
From:	Piparskeggr Ullarsson <piparskegg@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:43:04 -0700 (PDT)

Avete Omnes,

Yeast: a single celled organism related to fungi. Some biolgists think it is a
bridge organism between the plant and animal kingdoms.

Yeast is one of mankind's oldest partners, next to salt and fire, in food
preparation and preservation. These marvelous little beasties help us bring
some joy to life. Our little, known-strain friends and their wild cousins are
everywhere. (Yeast was not really domesticated until the late 19th - early
20th century of the Common Era.)

For fermentation to take place, yeast is necessary, known or wild: no ifs, ands
or buts.

Yeast has a dual life cycle.

The non-fermentation, reproduction part is an aerobic (oxygen freely available)
activity. The yeast "breathes in" the oxygen and uses available foods, of
which sugar is a small part, to grow and bud-off new yeast cells. This
continues until the oxygen is exhausted. (To grow a good sized yeast colony in
one's "pre-mead," one makes sure the prepared, cooled fluid is vigorouly
agitated to re-oxygenate it. I use a stainless steel, aquarium airstone
imersed in the fluid, running off filtered air at low pressure, for 15 to 20
minutes.)

Fermentation is an anaerobic process whereby yeast eats the sugars in whatever
material it "infects" and excretes alcohol, CO2 and other by-products such as
flavor and aroma esters. Yeast is also high in protein for its size and a
source of B vitamin complex.

If one wishes to partake of wine, beer, ale, mead, kumiss, bread, coffee,
cocoa, etceteras; one must be able to contend with some yeast content. No
yeast, none of the foregoing.

Unless, the stuff is a fluid capable of being micro-filtered to remove all the
yeast particles. Such a fine degre of filtration can remove desireable flavor
and aroma characteristics.

A very fine level of filtration is available to the home hobbyist, I'm not sure
if it would make fermented beverages safe for those with a sensitivity or
allergy to yeast and its by-products.

A few thoughts.

In amicus sub fidelis - Venator

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gratias Quintus Lanius et Fabia Livia.
From:	"Marilde Goliardi Perdomo" <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:50:02 -0300

Salvete frates,

I appreciate very much that you shared my comment. Thanks Quintus for the
site.
And, I'm terribly sorry Fabia,I would love to send this music to all of you
but I'm a complete ignorant about how to use of the mp3 systems.
Anyway, these cds are easy to find. Christodoulos Halaris has done many
well known works and studies. There are two great compilations:
"Hellenic Odes. From ancient Greece to Byzantium" (three cds) and "Hellenic
Elegies.Antiquity, Middle-Ages, post-Byzantine period".
(two cds). Try to by them, the performances are excellent, respecting
the old parasemantics and, of course, using traditional instruments.
Greece is our cultural mother, we should have more contact with her.

Valete bene.
Valeria Constantina Iuliana.

_________________________________________________________________
MSN. Más Útil cada Día. http://www.msn.es/intmap/

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Pigeonholed Cultures
From:	jo mama <minervalis02@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:31:30 -0700 (PDT)

--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Avete Renata Corva et Omnes,
>
> While I agree with most of what you state, I think
> that we can state that the Italians of the 16th
> century are not the same Italians of the Roman
> Republic and Empire. By this time you had other
> peoples mixed in including Lombards, Byzantines and
> even Arabs.
>
Buon Giorno et Salvete,
Mixing during the darkages is overrated. All the
evidence including genetics have shown that the
peoples of southern europe and the mideast are
basicaly the same as they were in ancient times, and
northern europe is also basically the same.

Tell the Florentines of today that they do not descend
from the Etruscans(as well as Romans), and you will
get more than a bad day.
The mixing that did occur(as it did in northern
europe)happened on the periphery. For instance, most
of the arab incursions in the western Mediteranean
were from the north african coast, i.e. romanized
carthaginians. So how are these 'moors'(Mauretania
caesariensis)so different from the ancients, in terms
of blood?
If the Romulans come from Troy and troy is in
anatolia,
how is byzantine any different from Anatolian in any
significant way?

> I was watching a show on the Early Renaissance and
> during the time of the Council of Florence (when the
> Orthodox Church temporarily reunited with the
> Catholic Church), the show stated that the
> Florentines were in awe of the fashion of Emperor
> Manuel of the Byzantine Empire.
>
Germans are in awe of David Hasselhoff.
Afgans and Serbian militia men are in awe of Sylvester
Stallone.
(?)

> Basically what I am trying to say is that the birth
> of the Renaissance while born in Florence was a
> process that began with the Preservation of the
> ancients (Especially the works of Aristotle) by
> scholars in the Eastern Roman Empire and in the
> Muslim Kingdoms. It just was synthsized by the
> Northern Europeans who had lots of money to sponser
> the arts and letters.

The easterners mostly preserved the ancients by a
"fo getta bout it" attitude,
Scholasticism(i.e.Aristotle) continued during the late
middle ages in the west(ala Sorbonne), but it was
resting only on a few Parapetetic manuscripts.
It was not Until Cosimo de Medici(an Italian proud of
his Roman Heritage) gave the Platonic writings to the
illustious Marsilio Ficino to translate them into
Latin and Italian....not an insignificant action.
Renaissance means rebirth, rebirth of what? Rebirth of
things classical. The ruins were in the south, the
lost texts were always more prolific in the south, the
east had alot of them because of the protection for
the last Platonists in Ctesphon. The REBIRTH was in
the south.

Minervalis

> Most Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New Citizen
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:53:48 EDT

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to his cousin Fortuna Galeria Fidelia.
Salve.

Welcome to the Republic, belissima. I look forward to getting to know you
better but for the moment, may the Gods of the Gens Galeria favor you.

Vale.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mead Recipe
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:01:03 EDT

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Arnamentia Aurelia. Salve, cousin.

You could have your mead made by a brewer who has a home kegging system that
uses CO2 cartridges to carbonate the mead. It will have virtually no alcohol
but will still be effervescent and spicy.
Also, you might want to check with your physician about your yeast allergy.
There is a world of difference between bread yeast and champagne yeast. If
you follow the receipe and reduce the champagne yeast to about half and then
chill it down for about a week, the mead will clarify and most of the yeast
cells will settle to the bottom of the bottle. A little careful decanting
should prevent most of the cells from getting to your system.

Vale.



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] King Arthur & Mead
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:09:50 EDT

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Gn. Salix Astur. Salve.

Use 1.25 kg weight of honey in a litre of water. Add three cinnamon sticks
about 8 cms long each, about 6 grams of peppercorns, and about 10 grams of
fresh grated ginger. Use a 5 litre glass jug and bring level to just over 4
litres total. The total amount of priming honey to about one-fourth of a
litre. Also check at the book WASSAIL TO MAZERS OF MEAD co-written by George
Papazian.

Vale.





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Intro and Nova Roma in Toronto, ON Canada
From:	"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:24:13 -0000

Salvete omnes!

I'm curious.

Are there any citizens of Nova Roma living in Toronto? My initial
web searches say that there are no NR groups meeting here. If there
are, then I would like to know about them. If not, I would like to
attempt to start one.

But who am I?

After much thought I have put forth my petition for citizenship and
have the name Lucia Sallustia Albania pending approval (Being Afro-
Canadian, you may be amused at the irony - I think Catullus would
have approved).

In SCA circles, I am known as Inez de Rusconi (or Rosanera)- I was in
the SCA for some 11 years and only play occasionally these days. My
pagan dedication name is Aracelsis - I was active in the Wiccan
Church of Canada for about 10 years (more off than on) but worship as
a solitary currently.

I am a private scholar whose areas of study have been wide ranging
from Black Early Modern European and Asian history (try to say that
quickly) to Renaissance women's studies. I have my B.A. in History
and Classical Civilization and studied Latin in high school.

I have always had an interest in integrating my study of
cultural/religious history with my religious practice. Given my
background in scholarship, plus my need for ancient and urban
context, Roman religious practice seemed the most logical thing for
me to follow up on. I'm particularly interested in Roman women's
religious practice -- mainly within the home. As it is, I'm happily
devouring Augusto Fraschetti's book.

Anyway, it is a pleasure to meet you all and I look forward to future
correspondence.

Lucia Sallustia Albania
(citizenship pending)
www.kmaitland.ca

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] info. about the firewalking
From:	"Marilde Goliardi Perdomo" <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:24:13 -0300

Salve frater Serapio,

Nothing. There is absolutely nothing in the cd's booklet. The information,
that is in Greek, English and French, is related to
the story of the odes (the style) in general, the instruments, the
parasemantics (musical script systems)and there are some texts by Plato and
Lucian. But nothing else. This work in three cds "Hellenic Odes" was made by
Christodoulos Halaris. He developed a code for the
transcription of the ancient musical texts, almost all of them were
conserved, como siempre y gracias a Dios, in monasteries.
The odes are performed by the OP & PO orchestra, and about this particular
song, the only information is:

"An acritic song that is also used as background music for fire-walking
during the Anastenaria. It belongs to the oral musical tradition of Thrace."

Then my curiosity lead me to search for more information on the Internet.
And don't worry, this festival is opened for all the turists.

In amore Romae(et Graeciae)
Valeria Constantina Iuliana.



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Oath Of Office
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 04:16:08 -0000

Salvete Po and Sulla,

Thanks very much for your support in this! I'm very much looking
forward to working with all my fellow NR magistrates for our Republic!

Nerva








--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> ---Salve Nerva:
>
> My congratulations on your appointment.
>
> Really, the initiation to the Propraetorship will not be that bad at
> all.....oh, wait
>
> Guys, guys.........ahh did any one write Nerva and forwarn him of the
> initiation........ohhhhh, noooo......I bet they didn't either.
>
> Oh, Nerva you will be fine, just fine ! (wink)
>
> Po
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> > I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva do hereby solemnly swear to
> > uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
> interests
> > of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
> >
> > As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius
> Nerva
> > swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
> > and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
> >
> > I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to uphold and defend
> > the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
> never
> > to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
> Religion.
> >
> > I, Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva swear to protect and defend
> > the Constitution of Nova Roma.
> >
> > I,Stuart Neil Smith/Gaius Cassius Nerva further swear to fulfill the
> > obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor
> > Mediatlantica to the best of my abilities.
> >
> > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
> Gods
> > and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
> > accept the position of Propraetor Mediatlantica and all the rights,
> > privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
> >
> > Presented this day, ante diem VI Kal. OCTOBRAS MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> > {September 26, 2002}
> >
> > Gaius Cassius Nerva
> > Propraetor Mediatlantica

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New Citizen
From:	Kassandra Velez <kvelez@iris.nyit.edu>
Date:	Thu Sep 26 23:28:24 2002

Camille Klein wrote:
>Salvete omnes (I think that's how you say "Hello everybody")!
>
>I don't know if I can be considered "new" anymore--my application for
>citizenship was approved like 2 weeks ago, and I have been lurking on this
>list and several others since then.
>
>I really don't have a speech prepared, so please forgive the terseness of
>this post as I've always been horrible with self-introductions. :)
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Fortuna Galeria Fidelia

Greetings, and welcome! "New" is in your mind and your reputation, as well as being a matter of "well, if you have to *ask*..." Making an major production out of your joining isn't strictly necessary; I never bothered with an introductory post myself, though it seems to be common practice to make one.

In any case, I'm afraid I won't be able to be much of a resource for you, being quite new (three months, two of them spent on vacation and away from my computer) and not all that active, but welcome again anyway! (And do forgive my rambling. I've often said that I can't write my way out of a paper bag, and this is why.)

--Lucia Galeria Drusilla

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Mediatlantica Citizens Read!
From:	gcassiusnerva@cs.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:06:54 EDT

Salvete Quirites,

I am honored to appointed by the Senate of Nova Roma to be the
Propraetor of the Province Mediatlantica.

We have a large number of citizens living within our province, but the
provincial mailing list at present has only 8 citizens subscribed. For our
province to become active and flourish, effective communication for our
citizens on the provincial level is necessary.

Therefore, I ask all Nova Roma citizens in Mediatlantica to please
subscribe to the Mediatlantica mailing list! You can do so at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mediatlanticaprovincia/

Legate Merlinia Ambrosia and myself want your input on what you would
like to see in our province. So again, please join the mailing list. If any
of you have any problems, please email me.

Gaius Cassius Nerva
Propraetor Mediatlantica


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Attention! Citizen's of America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:31:28 -0500

After seeing the call for Citizen's to join the Provincal
maillist for Midatlantica I thought that I should again ask that all of
the Citizen's of AMS Province that can join our maillist. The address
for it is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMS_NR/

I urge everyone that can to join the list. Remember that
a Province is only as good as it's active Citizen's. Also, I
am STILL looking for a Legate Major for Regio Campus(KS,
NE, and MO). If anyone is interested contact me privately.

Vale,
Sextus Cornelius Cotta


--
Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Nova Roma

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:25:49 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/26/02 9:16:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> vergil@s... writes:
>
> Censors. Please quote the relevant section of the constitution
that allows
> you to issue such an Edictum.
> I'm sure the People would like to see it.
>
> Valete!
> Q. Fabius Maximus.


Marcus Marcius Rex Q.F.M. SPD!

Valued Senator am I right in presuming that you carry serious doubts
as to whether such a Censorial power exists? Frankly, I am surprised
that this should be in question and that you would want to burden our
citizens with yet another legal discussion that better belonged in
the Academia.

But, while we are here in the Forum, let me try my luck in finding
the right passages for you. The last time I looked, the Constitution
gave the Censors the power to issue edicta (please look yourself
under IV.A.1.a) and in particular those necessary to carry out the
tasks in which they are mandated by the Constitution and the law.

Are they mandated? Well they maintain the album civium and are also
responsible (please look under II.D.1.), for the registration for
gens membership.

Each gens (please look under II.D.), is of course entitled to
determine its own course of action "except where specifically dealt
with in this constitution and the law." Now here I guess lies the
crux of the matter for you. There is no law yet!

But it is no great riddle (at least to me) from what other source the
Censors take their mandate. They even wrote it in the first
sentence. "The right of adult citizens to freely choose to terminate
their membership in a gens is hereby affirmed".

This is just one aspect of the sovereignty right contained in II.B.6
of the Constitution (The right to remain sovereign and secure within
one's own home, person, and property) and the Censors only give
assistance to the citizen involved…...and so they should because the
Constitution in II.B.7. clearly states citizens have the right "to
seek and receive assistance and advice from the State in matters of
religious and social dispute (sic!) occurring both within and outside
the direct jurisdiction of Nova Roma".

That the Censors, in the absence of a law, regulate this in an
Edictum is just another sign that they are good administrators,
conscious of the obligations they have under the Constitution. I, as
a former unsuccessful contender for the office, have to admit, that
the citizens of Nova Roma were absolutely right to elect Cincinnatus
and Diocletianus as Censors. On the other hand, if you, Quinte Fabie,
(and that is no big IF, I guess) hold such restrictive views of the
office and the rights of the citizens, I hope that you will never run
for this office or at least share my fate in losing the election.

Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex

Subject:	AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:21:19 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete,

Marce Marci, you argued perfectly about the legal basis of the Edictum.

I´m sure that the citizens are now informed sufficiently.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor, Senator

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@aol.com>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Senden: 08:25
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM

--- In Nova-Roma@y...,
qfabiusmaxmi@a...
wrote:
> In a message dated 9/26/02 9:16:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> vergil@s...
writes:
>
> Censors. Please quote the relevant section of the constitution
that allows
> you to issue such an Edictum.
> I'm sure the People would like to see it.
>
> Valete!
> Q. Fabius Maximus.


Marcus Marcius Rex Q.F.M. SPD!

Valued Senator am I right in presuming that you carry serious doubts
as to whether such a Censorial power exists? Frankly, I am surprised
that this should be in question and that you would want to burden our
citizens with yet another legal discussion that better belonged in
the Academia.

But, while we are here in the Forum, let me try my luck in finding
the right passages for you. The last time I looked, the Constitution
gave the Censors the power to issue edicta (please look yourself
under IV.A.1.a) and in particular those necessary to carry out the
tasks in which they are mandated by the Constitution and the law.

Are they mandated? Well they maintain the album civium and are also
responsible (please look under II.D.1.), for the registration for
gens membership.

Each gens (please look under II.D.), is of course entitled to
determine its own course of action "except where specifically dealt
with in this constitution and the law." Now here I guess lies the
crux of the matter for you. There is no law yet!

But it is no great riddle (at least to me) from what other source the
Censors take their mandate. They even wrote it in the first
sentence. "The right of adult citizens to freely choose to terminate
their membership in a gens is hereby affirmed".

This is just one aspect of the sovereignty right contained in II.B.6
of the Constitution (The right to remain sovereign and secure within
one's own home, person, and property) and the Censors only give
assistance to the citizen involved…...and so they should because the
Constitution in II.B.7. clearly states citizens have the right "to
seek and receive assistance and advice from the State in matters of
religious and social dispute (sic!) occurring both within and outside
the direct jurisdiction of Nova Roma".

That the Censors, in the absence of a law, regulate this in an
Edictum is just another sign that they are good administrators,
conscious of the obligations they have under the Constitution. I, as
a former unsuccessful contender for the office, have to admit, that
the citizens of Nova Roma were absolutely right to elect Cincinnatus
and Diocletianus as Censors. On the other hand, if you, Quinte Fabie,
(and that is no big IF, I guess) hold such restrictive views of the
office and the rights of the citizens, I hope that you will never run
for this office or at least share my fate in losing the election.

Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:11:07 -0000

---Salvete Rex Marcius et omnes:

I am just reading the last paragraph of this otherwise very
informative post.

I cannot speak for the poster, but are you sure that Q. Fabius was
just asking Censor Equitius to furnish the relevant sections of the
constitution, upon which he was basing this edictum, as opposed to
contesting it?



Bene vale,
Pompeia



In Nova-Roma@y..., "rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@a...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/26/02 9:16:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > vergil@s... writes:
> >
> > Censors. Please quote the relevant section of the constitution
> that allows
> > you to issue such an Edictum.
> > I'm sure the People would like to see it.
> >
> > Valete!
> > Q. Fabius Maximus.
>
>
> Marcus Marcius Rex Q.F.M. SPD!
>
> Valued Senator am I right in presuming that you carry serious
doubts
> as to whether such a Censorial power exists? Frankly, I am
surprised
> that this should be in question and that you would want to burden
our
> citizens with yet another legal discussion that better belonged in
> the Academia.
>
> But, while we are here in the Forum, let me try my luck in finding
> the right passages for you. The last time I looked, the
Constitution
> gave the Censors the power to issue edicta (please look yourself
> under IV.A.1.a) and in particular those necessary to carry out the
> tasks in which they are mandated by the Constitution and the law.
>
> Are they mandated? Well they maintain the album civium and are also
> responsible (please look under II.D.1.), for the registration for
> gens membership.
>
> Each gens (please look under II.D.), is of course entitled to
> determine its own course of action "except where specifically dealt
> with in this constitution and the law." Now here I guess lies the
> crux of the matter for you. There is no law yet!
>
> But it is no great riddle (at least to me) from what other source
the
> Censors take their mandate. They even wrote it in the first
> sentence. "The right of adult citizens to freely choose to
terminate
> their membership in a gens is hereby affirmed".
>
> This is just one aspect of the sovereignty right contained in
II.B.6
> of the Constitution (The right to remain sovereign and secure
within
> one's own home, person, and property) and the Censors only give
> assistance to the citizen involved…...and so they should because
the
> Constitution in II.B.7. clearly states citizens have the right "to
> seek and receive assistance and advice from the State in matters of
> religious and social dispute (sic!) occurring both within and
outside
> the direct jurisdiction of Nova Roma".
>
> That the Censors, in the absence of a law, regulate this in an
> Edictum is just another sign that they are good administrators,
> conscious of the obligations they have under the Constitution. I,
as
> a former unsuccessful contender for the office, have to admit, that
> the citizens of Nova Roma were absolutely right to elect
Cincinnatus
> and Diocletianus as Censors. On the other hand, if you, Quinte
Fabie,
> (and that is no big IF, I guess) hold such restrictive views of the
> office and the rights of the citizens, I hope that you will never
run
> for this office or at least share my fate in losing the election.
>
> Ave et Vale
> Marcus Marcius Rex

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta - Roman Archeology and News
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:04:23 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete,

please find the latest news at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

with a very interesting article about Roman in Ireland!! (Ah!, I knew they made
it!!)

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:04:33 -0000

Salvete Apolloni et alii:

This is excellent!

Great articles.

I enjoyed the one about the skilled quarry workers in the Roman
Empire being fed well, based on some archeological evidence, contrary
to what we might think.

Also, the $64.00 question: Was Hannibal black?

And, from the last article, I have gleaned that Fox is going to
produce a miniseries on Hannibal, starring Denzel Washington.
The article site opinions from Fox of course, but also Ridley Scott,
and gives other academic opinions, some based on archeology.

Worth reading.

Great Job on this newsletter! Thanks!

Pompeia Cornelia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Absentia
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:53:42 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete,

I will be absent form Sunday till Tuesday. Have a nice week end!!

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Intro and Nova Roma in Toronto, ON Canada
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:04:44 -0000

Snip (to save space)

> Anyway, it is a pleasure to meet you all and I look forward to
future
> correspondence.
>
> Lucia Sallustia Albania
> (citizenship pending)
> www.kmaitland.ca

Salve Lucia,

It is with great pleasure and interest to read your posting. Nova
Roma will indeed be very fortunate to have people like you with such
a rich background in the classics. Be warned though that many of us
will be picking your brain until you have writer's cramp (grin). You
will find NR interesting, informative and a great wealth of shared
knowledge with many enthusiastic people.

I live in Edmonton but please contact Pompeia Cornelia whose postings
you see throughout this board. Among many posts she is NR governor in
Southern Ontario (Canada Occidentalis) and she of all people will
know or at least find out who in Nova Roma lives in your area.
Meanwhile, welcome aboard, join in the conversations and have a great
time.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus of Egressus

Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:13:35 -0400 (EDT)

Honored Marcus Marcius Rex;

I read your excellent post in response to Senator Maximus' challenge of
the subject edict. If the good Senator was inquiring in regard to the
Edict your answer, in my view, certainly answered his inquiry. You have
made your case and the case of the Censors quite clear to me, and, I too
agree, that I did not pursue the position of Censor when the chance was
offered. It appears to me that I would be inadequate in that task, and
that our two current Censors have demonstrated in several different
areas a fine understanding of the needs of the Citizens in Nova Roma.

If, on the other hand Senator Maximus was challenging the Edict itself,
then I believe such a purpose reveals what the Honored Senior Consul has
said all along, that the opposition to the whole subject of Gens Reform
is obstructive, rather than an attempt to find a common ground.

Personnally, this Edict accomplishes the first of my desires in the area
of Gens Reform. I wanted to see a positive action that will speak to
the prohibition of any further attempts to hold NR Citizens in Gens
against thier will. Senator Maximus has indicated that such a law or
restriction already exists, however, such a persecution of a Citizen of
Nova Roma has occurred once in spite of the restriction that the good
Senator comments upon. To my mind, once in this case, is once too many,
and as I have before said both here and on other lists, I see no
evidence that the same person would not so persecute another citizen, if
that person had the chance. In other instances than a public forum. I
am led to believe that some of this man's strongest supporters believe
that also to be true. Therefore, I am pleased to see this Edict laid
down, and more than pleased to see the Honored Marcus Marcius Rex
explain it's validity in detail -- Well Done!!!!!

Citizens of NR, the second desire on my part concerning Gens Reform has
always been an immediate relief for the Censors, whose work load is
heavy indeed, as per thier request, to deal in some fair and equitable
way with the Citizen Application Backlog, with which they are forced to
deal with every day, and which potential citizens labor under every day,
some for months on end. In my view, the shameful Veto in the Senate
from the Jr, Consul, has delayed this relief action, due to the
inability of the Senators now to vote on items related to the problem.

As a member of the Senate, and one of the "Greybeards" as Senator
Maximus has insultingly labeled me, I would support any reasonable
proposal from our excellent Censors as to a way to assist them in
dealing with this problem.

Once, this problem is dealt with, then I should indeed be willing to sit
down with the others of the Senate to determine our future needs, and
our present problems in the topic of Gens Reform. Unfortunately, I am
not as clever nor as quick as some of my Senate Colleagues, but it seems
to me that Senators Labienus and Julianus have made some points in thier
proposal that are well worth considering. and while I disgree strongly
with Senator Maximus that any group "speaks" for the whole Senate
(outside of a small group who uses the Veto unwisely and shamefully), I
do believe that the points referred to should be reviewed with care, by
those above named Senators, and by those several other Colleagues who
support those same ideas.

I am not a political animal, and I do not do well at political
manuvering. I suppose that is why Senator Maximus has labeled me
"Greybeard" probably because he sees in me an aged and foolish old man.
While it is true that I am of a certain age, the foolish part I leave to
the determination of each Citizen of NR. I do not comment on the age of
others unless they indicate a certain rashness of determination and lack
of practical experience flavored with a good dose of polite behavior,
and communication. However, name-calling is to my mind somewhat
infantile in the otherwise best of men. Such is how his colleague
Senator Sulla sees me, as he has previously named me so.

My purpose is to determine to the best of my ability, the best course
for Nova Roma, when these kinds of concerns arise, and once having
determined a proper course, to support that course, again to the best of
my ability, and finally to align my concerns and ideas with the
Majority, as I have often said. The use of a Veto to get one's own way
against a clear majority is in my view criminal, at best, and treasonous
at worst.

In closing again my thanks and appreciation to the excellent response of
the Honored Marcus Marcius Rex!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

"Greybeard" Senator and Proconsul

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Intro and Nova Roma in Toronto, ON Canada
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:39:55 -0000

---Salve Lucia!

I echo the welcome and sentiments of Quintus Lanius Paulinis.

I am in process of sending you an invite to the Provincia Mailing
List of Canada Orientalis.

I do hope you will join us. It will help keep you informed on any
planned provincia activities and gatherings.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia


In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Snip (to save space)
>
> > Anyway, it is a pleasure to meet you all and I look forward to
> future
> > correspondence.
> >
> > Lucia Sallustia Albania
> > (citizenship pending)
> > www.kmaitland.ca
>
> Salve Lucia,
>
> It is with great pleasure and interest to read your posting. Nova
> Roma will indeed be very fortunate to have people like you with
such
> a rich background in the classics. Be warned though that many of us
> will be picking your brain until you have writer's cramp (grin).
You
> will find NR interesting, informative and a great wealth of shared
> knowledge with many enthusiastic people.
>
> I live in Edmonton but please contact Pompeia Cornelia whose
postings
> you see throughout this board. Among many posts she is NR governor
in
> Southern Ontario (Canada Occidentalis) and she of all people will
> know or at least find out who in Nova Roma lives in your area.
> Meanwhile, welcome aboard, join in the conversations and have a
great
> time.
>
> Yours respectfully,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus of Egressus
>
> Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Mead, Yeast, and fermentation
From:	Arnamentia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT)

>From Arnamentia Aurelia to Piparskeggr Ullarsson and
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus:

Salve! Thank you both very much for your information
about yeast. I will look into the filtration issue, as
well as the champagne yeast idea. I appreciate the
suggestions.

Vale,
Arnamentia Aurelia


***********
Message: 16
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Piparskeggr Ullarsson <piparskegg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yeast and fermentation

Avete Omnes,

Yeast: a single celled organism related to fungi.
Some biolgists think it is a bridge organism between
the plant and animal kingdoms.

Yeast is one of mankind's oldest partners, next to
salt and fire, in food preparation and preservation.
These marvelous little beasties help us bring
some joy to life. Our little, known-strain friends
and their wild cousins are everywhere. (Yeast was not
really domesticated until the late 19th - early
20th century of the Common Era.)

For fermentation to take place, yeast is necessary,
known or wild: no ifs, ands or buts.

Yeast has a dual life cycle.

The non-fermentation, reproduction part is an aerobic
(oxygen freely available)activity. The yeast
"breathes in" the oxygen and uses available foods, of
which sugar is a small part, to grow and bud-off new
yeast cells. This continues until the oxygen is
exhausted. (To grow a good sized yeast colony in
one's "pre-mead," one makes sure the prepared, cooled
fluid is vigorouly agitated to re-oxygenate it. I use
a stainless steel, aquarium airstone imersed in the
fluid, running off filtered air at low pressure, for
15 to 20 minutes.)

Fermentation is an anaerobic process whereby yeast
eats the sugars in whatever material it "infects" and
excretes alcohol, CO2 and other by-products such as
flavor and aroma esters. Yeast is also high in
protein for its size and a source of B vitamin
complex.

If one wishes to partake of wine, beer, ale, mead,
kumiss, bread, coffee, cocoa, etceteras; one must be
able to contend with some yeast content. No yeast,
none of the foregoing.

Unless, the stuff is a fluid capable of being
micro-filtered to remove all the yeast particles.
Such a fine degre of filtration can remove desireable
flavor and aroma characteristics.

A very fine level of filtration is available to the
home hobbyist, I'm not sure if it would make fermented
beverages safe for those with a sensitivity or
allergy to yeast and its by-products.

A few thoughts.

In amicus sub fidelis - Venator

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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:01:03 EDT
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Mead Recipe

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Arnamentia
Aurelia. Salve, cousin.

You could have your mead made by a brewer who has a
home kegging system that uses CO2 cartridges to
carbonate the mead. It will have virtually no
alcohol but will still be effervescent and spicy.
Also, you might want to check with your physician
about your yeast allergy. There is a world of
difference between bread yeast and champagne yeast.
If you follow the receipe and reduce the champagne
yeast to about half and then chill it down for about a
week, the mead will clarify and most of the yeast
cells will settle to the bottom of the bottle. A
little careful decanting should prevent most of the
cells from getting to your system.

Vale.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta
From:	markeedeesade@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:00:26 EDT

Salvete!
I would not think Hannibal was black. Phoenicians in general were very
semetic/hametic, and the Carthaginians had a greater greek influence, and
some egyptian. Coins depicting the Barcas show a distinctly non-negro
profile. One wonders what influence the celt-iberians or even the mycenaean
race might have had. I will look into my histories to find more info. I am
inclined to believe Hannibal was very greek, but I cant recall where I got
this impression from, perhaps it is misguided by an renaissance painting of
his suicide. When the romans painted him, he wasnt black, and one would
expect them to have known. As I said, I will dig deep into my histories, I
have some Harvard publications which might shed relevant light.
Valete
Fidelius

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New Citizen
From:	MLCRASSVS@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:13:21 EDT

SALVE,

Although, I too have only just received my citizenship approval, please let
me be among the first to welcome you to Nova Roma, may the gods favour you
and may you prosper under the Roman Republic.

You will find plenty to do here, from fine arts/ culture, literature,
learning (exempli gratia Latin or History), debating, politics, games (the
Circus), cooking to Roman military tactics etcetera, and much, much more! If
you have any questions you'll find a wealth of knowledge and plenty willing
to help - just post.

Wishing a fellow Roman citizen well - Rome has just grown a little stronger!

VALE


MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS
CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE

TVVS IN SODOLICIO RES PVBLICA ROMANAE






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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A compromise has not yet been reached!
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:21:24 EDT

In a message dated 9/26/02 2:12:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, haase@konoko.net
writes:


> Nor are you the voice of the Senate, nor is the Junior Consul.
>

Nor I did not say I was the voice of the Senate, Consul. But there are two
sides to every story, and both should be heard.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A compromise has not yet been reached!
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:39:44 EDT

In a message dated 9/26/02 2:12:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, haase@konoko.net
writes:


> but I insist that it pass the
> Senate's scrutiny first, in order to restore the preeminence of the
> Senate that your faction has tried to strip away.
>

Last time I checked, Consul, Rome was dual magistracy for a reason. That is
if proposed lexes that were issued, was not to everybodys' liking they could
be over ruled by the other magistrate.
There was no shame or anger attached to such intercessio, it was Roman
politics.
I am sorry my "faction" refuses to rubber stamp your decision making process,
Consul,
we are expressing our concern, which by the way, is protected by the NR
constitution.
Your main concern, if I recall, was that no Paterfamilias could hold a Gens
member against his will in a Gens.
The Edictum issued by the sitting Censors, which is made legal by the
sovereignty clause contained within Sect II of the NR constitution solved
this problem for you. So this lex is really not needed. However, because of
the "quest" for historical accuracy in a five year old virtual micronation
you have decided to trample on the people's rights of how they wish to be
represented in Nova Roma.
So, I and few Senate members felt such a motion was extreme at the time, did
not necessarily solve any of the peoples' problems, in fact poised new ones
and only made us historically correct if we were over fifty years old.
Nevertheless in the spirit of agreement, both sides worked on a counter
proposal, that answered your original concern, and we presented it to the
Senate last week.
And that's where we are right now.
It would not matter if either Consul vetoed any lex, against the wishes of
the Senate. Even if you vetoed the lex. That is the way the Roman system of
government works. It is your inability to convince me, and the other
dissenting Senators of the greatness of your plan, that forced a veto. Which
proves, at least to me, the dual system of magistracy does work. Certainly
all we objectors might be morons not seeing how your plan brings advantages
to NR, but because we rather err on the side of caution, rather than make a
mistake, we are exercising our right to disagree. And there is nothing
shameful about that.
Thank you for listening. I'm sure there is more coming.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Oath Of Office
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:46:54 EDT

Congratulations on your posting Cassius Nerva.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:56:08 EDT

In a message dated 9/26/02 11:26:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
RexMarcius@aol.com writes:


> This is just one aspect of the sovereignty right contained in II.B.6
> of the Constitution (The right to remain sovereign and secure within
> one's own home, person, and property) and the Censors only give
> assistance to the citizen involved…...and so they should because the
> Constitution in II.B.7. clearly states citizens have the right "to
> seek and receive assistance and advice from the State in matters of
> religious and social dispute (sic!) occurring both within and outside
> the direct jurisdiction of Nova Roma".
>
Salvete
Which was the point exactly. Well articulated as always, Marcius.
I believe the people should know how our constitution works, edictums should
have basis. This was theirs. Again thank you. The people appreciate it.
While this may be "spoonfeeding" is it not fair that the People understand
how the Roman government works?
Valete
Q. Fabius



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A compromise has not yet been reached!
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:01:00 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Senator Quinte Fabi,

> Last time I checked, Consul, Rome was dual magistracy for a reason. That is
> if proposed lexes that were issued, was not to everybodys' liking they could
> be over ruled by the other magistrate.

True. And if that veto is not to the liking of the rest of the Senate,
or the People, they are free to express their opinions. Certainly,
I don't believe that our ancestors were silent when bad decisions
were made by magistrates. Here, at least, magistrates do not have
to worry about being pelted with rotten fruit or ambushed by
club-wielding thugs.

> Your main concern, if I recall, was that no Paterfamilias could hold a Gens
> member against his will in a Gens.

Yes. I would still like to see the system rebuilt, correctly, but
the Censors' edict (formerly proposed as a Lex Octavia Salicia) is
an important step in the right direction.

> However, because of the "quest" for historical accuracy in a five year
> old virtual micronation you have decided to trample on the people's
> rights of how they wish to be represented in Nova Roma.

Absurd! Whose rights have I trampled upon, and how? I sought to
obtain a Senatus Consultum, and then bring the issue to the Comitia
for a vote - is this a trampling of anyone's rights? Is it a trampling
of anyone's rights to express my opinion of those who are against
it?

> Nevertheless in the spirit of agreement, both sides worked on a counter
> proposal, that answered your original concern, and we presented it to the
> Senate last week.

It will receive due consideration, in its time. I will not veto its
presentation to the Senate, and if the Senate feels that it is an
adequate and fair compromise, it can then be presented to the People.

> It would not matter if either Consul vetoed any lex, against the wishes of
> the Senate. Even if you vetoed the lex. That is the way the Roman system of
> government works.

The veto was legal and done according to the proper forms, and was a
legitimate act. That does not mean we should remain silent;
Magistrates, Senators, and Citizens all have the right to express their
opinions on why the veto was issued, and the effect that it will have
on our society.

> Certainly all we objectors might be morons not seeing how your plan
> brings advantages to NR,

Cassius's plan, if you please; I am a mere supporter of it, not the
prime mover, and I do not take credit for other people's work.
My own primary goal has been to ensure the rights of citizens to leave
a gens freely, and that has been accomplished by the Censores' edict.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:34:56 EDT

In a message dated 9/27/02 8:38:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
MarcusAudens@webtv.net writes:


> I read your excellent post in response to Senator Maximus' challenge of
> the subject edict. If the good Senator was inquiring in regard to the
> Edict your answer, in my view, certainly answered his inquiry.

Yes, he did.

>
> If, on the other hand Senator Maximus was challenging the Edict itself,
> then I believe such a purpose reveals what the Honored Senior Consul has
> said all along, that the opposition to the whole subject of Gens Reform
> is obstructive, rather than an attempt to find a common ground.
>

Which I am not. I wrote a counterproposal, by the Gods!

> Personally, this Edict accomplishes the first of my desires in the area
> of Gens Reform. I wanted to see a positive action that will speak to
> the prohibition of any further attempts to hold NR Citizens in Gens
> against their will. Senator Maximus has indicated that such a law or
> restriction already exists, however, such a persecution of a Citizen of
> Nova Roma has occurred once in spite of the restriction that the good
> Senator comments upon.

Once three years ago, and it was resolved.

To my mind, once in this case, is once too many,
> and as I have before said both here and on other lists, I see no
> evidence that the same person would not so persecute another citizen, if
> that person had the chance. In other instances than a public forum. I
> am led to believe that some of this man's strongest supporters believe
> that also to be true. Therefore, I am pleased to see this Edict laid
> down, and more than pleased to see the Honored Marcus Marcius Rex
> explain it's validity in detail -- Well Done!!!!!
>

It should have been mentioned at the start of the Senate's debate two weeks
ago, which I am on record for urging it to be done, however the Senior
Magistrates all ignored me.

> Citizens of NR, the second desire on my part concerning Gens Reform has
> always been an immediate relief for the Censors, whose work load is
> heavy indeed, as per their request, to deal in some fair and equitable
> way with the Citizen Application Backlog, with which they are forced to
> deal with every day, and which potential citizens labor under every day,
> some for months on end.

Censors knew what the job entailed when they signed on. In fact, the Senate
has allowed the Censors to engage scribes if needed. I don't believe they
have.

In my view, the shameful Veto in the Senate > from the Jr, Consul, has delayed
> this relief action, due to the inability of the Senators now to vote on
> items related to the problem.
>

I take exception to the term "shameful." The Jr. Consul is within his rights
as set forth in the constitution. His dignatis is intact.

> As a member of the Senate, and one of the "Graybeards" as Senator
> Maximus has insultingly labeled me, I would support any reasonable
> proposal from our excellent Censors as to a way to assist them in
> dealing with this problem.
>

Interestingly "Graybeards" is a term of respect in Rome, and if it mollifies
you, old friend, I too consider myself a Graybeard. It has to do with
seniority within the Senate. I am sorry that you let the American idea or
insult overweigh the Roman compliment. However now that you know, I am sure
you understand my meaning.

> Once, this problem is dealt with, then I should indeed be willing to sit
> down with the others of the Senate to determine our future needs, and
> our present problems in the topic of Gens Reform. Unfortunately, I am
> not as clever nor as quick as some of my Senate Colleagues, but it seems
> to me that Senators Labienus and Julianus have made some points in their
> proposal that are well worth considering. and while I disagree strongly
> with Senator Maximus that any group "speaks" for the whole Senate
> (outside of a small group who uses the Veto unwisely and shamefully), I
> do believe that the points referred to should be reviewed with care, by
> those above named Senators, and by those several other Colleagues who
> support those same ideas.

Since there is clear opposition involved here, I would have to say, such a
review would be useless unless both sides were included. There was a
counterproposal issued. And you are right. No one should speak for the
Senate and have it accepted by the people until the advice of the Senate is
issued.

>
> I am not a political animal, and I do not do well at political
> maneuvering. I suppose that is why Senator Maximus has labeled me
> "Graybeard" probably because he sees in me an aged and foolish old man.
>

Oh this is tiresome. Of course I don't. Citizens of Rome. I have the
utmost respect for this man, this untiring student of Roman knowledge. We
held the Curule chairs together, and I can assure you first hand, he is not
in the least foolish. He is older then I, but so what? To use a Roman
saying: "One cannot get up earlier in the morning then M. Minucius Adens."
>
> My purpose is to determine to the best of my ability, the best course
> for Nova Roma, when these kinds of concerns arise, and once having
> determined a proper course, to support that course, again to the best of
> my ability, and finally to align my concerns and ideas with the
> Majority, as I have often said. The use of a Veto to get one's own way
> against a clear majority is in my view criminal, at best, and treasonous
> at worst.
>

Again tiresome rhetoric. Because you believe that your way is right, Lucius
Cornelius has to be wrong. We are not being just a little bit inflexible?
But that is the beauty of Rome. We all have our views. And no one should be
condemned for them. We are not the Empire yet.

Since most of this speech came about since you thought I insulted you, and
now you see I haven't, and continue to have the utmost respect and affection
for you, can we get back to the discussion on the merits?

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
Sr. Consul during the Consulship of Fabius Maximus,
and Minucius Audens






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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta - Roman Archeology and News
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:54:30 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
>
>with a very interesting article about Roman in Ireland!! (Ah!, I knew they made
>it!!)
>
There seems a lack of discretion here between assuming the Romans either conquered the place or never went near it, and indeed that 'the Romans' were all of one piece. There was a lot of trading beyond frontiers. It's even been suggested that Hadrian's Wall and the German Limes were as much for the benefit of outsiders to come in as to keep them out. It's entirely probable that there was trade during the period and probably family connections. Who was doing the trading and who manning the garrison is an entirely different matter. Of course they were 'Roman', what else would they be? But that 'Roman' nationality might as easily have had British ancestors and spoken Celtic.
Even the short-lived British Empire got its people speaking English and adopting English political and military organisation. Considering that the Roman Empire lasted 400 years in this region the idea of them as a ruling class over vast numbers of unassimilated natives is absurd. Once their doubtful political independence was lost - and for most individuals that probably meant freedom from oppressive aristocracy - they had more to gain from Romanitas than to lose to it. The situation is quite opposite to the more civilised East.
If there was trade, there was a garrison. If there was not trade, it was still worth scouting out where the Druids had retreated to and keeping an eye on any hopefuls looking to invade or pirate. Ireland came into Norman hands in the first place because the king could not allow a grandee to develop an offshore powerbase that might support rebellion. Similar considerations would apply but more so on the border at the back of beyond.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis - XV mille pasuum a situ habitandus.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A compromise has not yet been reached!
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:10:12 EDT

In a message dated 9/27/02 2:06:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, haase@konoko.net
writes:


> The veto was legal and done according to the proper forms, and was a
> legitimate act. That does not mean we should remain silent;
> Magistrates, Senators, and Citizens all have the right to express their
> opinions on why the veto was issued, and the effect that it will have
> on our society.
>
>

Which is what we are all doing. Is not this correct? You told the people
you speak for the Senate. You implied that we were united. When actually
that wasn't the case. While I know you did not mean to do this, I just
wanted to set the record straight.
I also wanted to set the record straight, that the Pontifix Maximus proposed
lex to the constitution was vetoed legally by the Jr. Consul, which by his
imperium he is allowed to do, and no shame is attached to the action as you
earlier indicated. That was all. You have confirmed both my statements, for
which I thank you.
As for trampling rights, that lex wishes to only allow families in NR that
are blood related. My "faction" feels such a move is premature considering
our youth at this time and we object to it. Most people here are not related
by blood, and it seems do not wish to be separated forcefully (I know you say
that is not what will happen, but read the lex, man) from their gens. I'd
say that's "trampling rights." It might be rhetorical, but it's true.
By the way, if a blood related family member wishes to leave his family and
join another non blood related family, is that allowed? After all, you wish
to make sure no one stays in their family against their will. Yet, that
seems against the constitution. Hmmm, quite a enigma.
I don't remember your lex covering that.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:15:02 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
>
>Also, the $64.00 question: Was Hannibal black?
>
No: he was Arab. Carthagine, more accurately Karkhedown in Greek (ow=omega) means New City in Punic (probably somthing like Ghar Kadash as far as I can find similar words in a Hebrew vocabulary). The Phoenicians were Lebanese with their main ports in Tyre and Sidon and founded Carthage as a western base. Later, as the homeland succumbed to Persians and Greeks, Carthage became the Washington to their London. They also had a base (now ten miles inland) in West Africa just where the current sweeps west to Mexico. Interesting perhaps.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] King Arthur & Mead
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:49:05 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, F. Galeri.

--- PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com wrote:
> From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Gn. Salix Astur. Salve.
>
> Use 1.25 kg weight of honey in a litre of water. Add three cinnamon
> sticks about 8 cms long each, about 6 grams of peppercorns, and about
> 10 grams of fresh grated ginger. Use a 5 litre glass jug and bring
> level to just over 4 litres total. The total amount of priming honey
> to about one-fourth of a litre. Also check at the book WASSAIL TO
> MAZERS OF MEAD co-written by George Papazian.

Thank you very much, Galeri. You have been extremely helpful.

I promise to try out your recipe on the next provincial meeting in
Hispania. I will let you know the results :-).

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta
From:	jo mama <minervalis02@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:54:13 -0700 (PDT)

--- markeedeesade@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete!
> I would not think Hannibal was black. Phoenicians in
> general were very
> semetic/hametic, and the Carthaginians had a greater
> greek influence, and
> some egyptian. Coins depicting the Barcas show a
> distinctly non-negro
> profile. One wonders what influence the
> celt-iberians or even the mycenaean
> race might have had. I will look into my histories
> to find more info. I am
> inclined to believe Hannibal was very greek, but I
> cant recall where I got
> this impression from, perhaps it is misguided by an
> renaissance painting of
> his suicide. When the romans painted him, he wasnt
> black, and one would
> expect them to have known. As I said, I will dig
> deep into my histories, I
> have some Harvard publications which might shed
> relevant light.
> Valete
> Fidelius
>
>
Hannibal was Iberian-Carthaginian, wasnt black. The
Carthaginians were not black. The moors were not
black, though many berbers have dark skin and "White
features". Phonecians....think syria and
Lebanon....Hannibal, the Latini,Phoenicians, Mycenae,
Hellas,et al as all the Iberian Kin, were members of
the Mediterranean race.

Minervalis

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