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Re: [Nova-Roma] New Citizen |
| From: |
markeedeesade@aol.com |
| Date: |
Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:56:06 EDT |
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Salve!
Gratias tibi ago!
Vale
Fidelius
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] OT - Appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:05:02 +0200 |
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Franciscus Apulus CAesar Omnibus S.P.D.
I'm going now to Matera (Italy - near my city, Bari) where in November Mel
Gibson will play own new film, "The Passion", about the last 12 hours of
Juses Christ's life.
He searchs 500 appearances and I hope to be one of their. Maybe you'll see
me in the next roman movie ;-)
Please, say me "Good Luck"! :-)
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A compromise has not yet been reached! |
| From: |
"Proculus Postumius Nero" <postumius@gmx.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:18:09 -0400 |
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Pro. Postumius Nero Quiritibus Senatoribusque et Magistratibus S.P.D.
Salvete,
I've been trying to keep my opinion away from this conversation, however, a good point has been brought up, and I'd like to comment on it.
In a message sent by the Senior Consul and Senator Marcus Octavius Germanicus, dated a.d. V Kal. Oct., having been sent somewhere very close to 5:01 p.m. EDT, the consul replied to a message of the Proconsular Senator Quintus Fabius Maximus, in which he, the Consul, was accused of trampling on the rights of the People. The Consul replied by noting that he was only seeking to obtain the necessary Senatus Consultum so that the matter may be brought to the respective Comitia for the People to vote upon. It is my firm agreement that this is not a trampling of anyone's rights, but rather, is a bolstering of the rights of the People of Nova Roma. However, I do not know exactly what the contents of this issue are, myself not being a Senator, thus I could not say, by any true means, that I support or oppose such measures, I still feel that the Consul is very well performing the duties of his office, which, might I add, he was elected to by not only the People, but also by the Senate as well, each senator also being part of the Citizenry.
Moving further, it is my contention that perhaps the veto was not best for the People, as it may have settled some disputes here and there that slowly arise and are resolved, sometimes with undesirable means. But, just the same, it could have started more trouble than was necessary, and should that have been the junior Consul's reasoning behind this action, I may support it, however I do not know the exact reason, and cannot express any support thereof. I rather would express my disapproval due to the mere fact that the veto denies the People the opportunity to make a decision about themselves by themselves. Again, though, this is just the opinion of one citizen, and not the voice, until they may choose me to be so, of the entire citizen body.
Therefore
To the Senators and Magistrates: I wish you all well in your handling of your political matters. However, I will ask, and I will always ask, that in all your deliberations and actions, that you consider the constituents which placed you where you are, and what is best for them, and not what is best for only yourselves.
To the People: It is your constitutional right, as I have come to understand, though I could be wrong (if I am, would a Praetor please correct me on this), to voice your opinion on the workings and deeds of the Senate and the magistrates. Though I have not counted, I would guess there are less than one-hundred citizens whom comment on things here, and I am absolutely certain that we have more than one-thousand citizens. Why am I saying this? If you don't like something, fix it. I would if I were so empowered, but I am not allowed to campaign for any office as of yet, nor am I a senator. But from my public and private seats as a citizen, I shall here voice my opinion, now and forever. I have always maintained that no one has the right to govern the People but the People. Which is why we have elections. But the People are those whom should be telling the elected persons what to do, and not letting the magistrates run on whim at decisions which ultimately and in all ways effect the citizens. And lastly, it is up to the citizens to decide what is best for them, and no one else. But again, this is my own belief.
Optime Valete in Pace Sui Aeterna,
Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: OT - Appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:54:26 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus CAesar Omnibus S.P.D.
>
Salve Francisci!
I wish you the best of luck for a part in the film. I am sure they
will take your interest and knowledge of ancient Rome into
consideration. Be sure to give us your Italian name so we can read in
on the future credits.
Good luck!
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> I'm going now to Matera (Italy - near my city, Bari) where in
November Mel
> Gibson will play own new film, "The Passion", about the last 12
hours of
> Juses Christ's life.
> He searchs 500 appearances and I hope to be one of their. Maybe
you'll see
> me in the next roman movie ;-)
> Please, say me "Good Luck"! :-)
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> -------------------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
> Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
> Scriba Curatoris Araneum
> -------------------------------------------
> Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
> Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
> Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
> Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: OT - Appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:16:59 -0500 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 10:54 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: OT - Appearance in roman film
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus CAesar Omnibus S.P.D.
>
Salve Francisci!
I wish you the best of luck for a part in the film. I am sure they
will take your interest and knowledge of ancient Rome into
consideration. Be sure to give us your Italian name so we can read in
on the future credits.
Good luck!
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> I'm going now to Matera (Italy - near my city, Bari) where in
November Mel
> Gibson will play own new film, "The Passion", about the last 12
hours of
> Juses Christ's life.
> He searchs 500 appearances and I hope to be one of their. Maybe
you'll see
> me in the next roman movie ;-)
> Please, say me "Good Luck"! :-)
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> -------------------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
> Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
> Scriba Curatoris Araneum
> -------------------------------------------
> Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
> Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
> Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Salvete Omnes! |
| From: |
"Rachel" <theladysabine@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:19:12 -0000 |
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Salvete!
Please excuse this short introductory email. I am a new citizen,
Horatia Minucia Caesar by name. I have finally had a chance to read
through most of the past week's messages, and I am awed by them all!
What a welcome. I don't know quite where to start in the community,
so I'll just watch and learn the ropes that way for a while...
Valete
H Minucia Caesar
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: OT - Appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:29:05 -0000 |
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---Wow! That is indeed exciting news Francisce Apule!
Buona Fortuna with this one!
Pompeia
In Nova-Roma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus CAesar Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> I'm going now to Matera (Italy - near my city, Bari) where in
November Mel
> Gibson will play own new film, "The Passion", about the last 12
hours of
> Juses Christ's life.
> He searchs 500 appearances and I hope to be one of their. Maybe
you'll see
> me in the next roman movie ;-)
> Please, say me "Good Luck"! :-)
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> -------------------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
> Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
> Scriba Curatoris Araneum
> -------------------------------------------
> Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
> Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
> Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
> Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Apollonia Acta |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:34:51 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., markeedeesade@a... wrote:
> Salvete!
> I would not think Hannibal was black.
As far as I am aware, you are correct on that assumption. African,
yes but not a negro [I fear that that some noted African-American
scholars have had trouble telling the difference. See discussions on
the paternity of Cleopatra -- and NO I am NOT going there].
This is not to say that there were no Blacks in the Roman Empire.
While this is before my area of study -as I can claim some expertise
in Black European/Asian history 600-1650- I am aware of an Black
African presense in the Roman militia in Britain. If my memory serves
the literature of the period notes the "freak out factor" these
soldiers provided when dealing with the peoples of ancient Britain
*g*.
It is funny that this should come up, considering an interesting
discovery I made while trolling Robart's Library at U of Toronto. I
read an short essay about William Sanders Scarborough, a African-
American classicist who was an active member of CAMWS (Classical
Association of the Middle West and South) circa 1904. Apparently when
it came to scholarship Classics Societies in the US were "race blind"
for the most part (Classicists from the Southern states tended to be
more clueless) . You can read about WSS in The Classical Journal
97:3, Feb/Mar 2002.
But, as usual, I digress.
For more on Black Africans the Roman era(s) see:
Essays on the history of Blacks in Britain: from Roman times to the
mid-twentieth century. Aldershot, England: Avebury, 1992.
The Image of the Black in Western Art. Fribourg, Office du livre:
distributed by Harvard University Press, 1979. (volume one)
Debrunner, Hans. Presence and Prestige: Africans in Europe, and
history of Africans in Europe before 1918. Basel: Basler Afrika
Bibiliographiem, 1979.
Diggs, Ellen. Black chronology: from 4000 BC to the abolition of the
slave trade. Boston: G.K. Hall, 1983.
Hope this helps.
Lucia Sallustia Albania (citizenship pending)
n.b. for more on my studies in Black history see www.kmaitland.ca
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Apollonia Acta |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:55:42 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., jo mama <minervalis02@y...> wrote:
> >
The moors were not
> black, though many berbers have dark skin and "White
> features".
I would argue that the above assertion is slightly inaccurate. The
term "moor" was one coined by Europeans to refer to "those non-
Christian guys down south who have an annoying habit of invading
Christian territory" (wry smile).
While the bulk of the so-called Moors were Semitic or Berber in
origin, there were a sufficient number of Blacks among them. Enough
in fact that there came a point (14th/15th century-ish) where
Europeans (more specifically, the Spanish, the Portuguese and
English - and there may be others that I have not yet come across)
found that they had to make a distinction between "White" Moors
and "Black" Moors, which in English may account for the
term "blackamoor".
I would recommend that interested parties read:
Wolf, Kenneth Baxter. "The 'Moors' of West Africa and the beginnings
of the Portuguese slave trade." Journal of Medieval and Renaissance
Studies, vol. 24 # (1994)
Or you can take a look my essay "Defining Moor":
http://www.cx.unibe.ch/ens/cg/shak/oth/art/maitland.html
[This essay was borrowed/stolen from me by a professor at the
University of Berne for an Othello assignment. Hey, if the essay is
good enough for U of B... *g*]
Lucia Sallustia Albania (citizenship pending)
www.kmaitland.ca
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:46:02 +0100 (BST) |
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----Original Message-----
>From : jo mama <minervalis02@yahoo.com>
>>
>Hannibal was Iberian-Carthaginian, wasnt black. The
>Carthaginians were not black. The moors were not
>black, though many berbers have dark skin and “White
>features“. Phonecians....think syria and
>Lebanon....Hannibal, the Latini,Phoenicians, Mycenae,
>Hellas,et al as all the Iberian Kin, were members of
>the Mediterranean race.
>
Ave!
Berbers, perhaps the real origin of Barbaros? Do not forget though that north Africa became a Teutonic Wendel/Vandal kingdom after the Goths pushed them out of (W)Andalusia and as such featured in Justinian's restutative camapaign. So there would be plenty of fair hair and blue eyes. There is also red hair and a prominent hooked nose (ie the 'Jewish' type of Nazi propaganda) typical of the western Caucusus and coastal peoples who must have migrated west (Hittite origin?) and count among the ancient Lebanese who founded Carthage.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Apollonia Acta |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:15:13 +0100 (BST) |
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-----Original Message-----
>From : ms_m2you <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca>
>> I would not think Hannibal was black.
>
>As far as I am aware, you are correct on that assumption. African,
>yes but not a negro [I fear that that some noted African-American
>scholars have had trouble telling the difference. See discussions on
>the paternity of Cleopatra -- and NO I am NOT going there].
>
Probably incestuous and Greek. However, it does raise questions about African monarchs like Iugurtha and Iuba, not that the Romans themselves seem to have given a damn what anyone looked like as long as they didn't have long blond hair and wild blue staring eyes! It is of interest in two ways that much earlier Herodotos confirms the story that Kolkhiz (Georgia) was colonised by the same 'Sons of Dana[w]os' (And Ireland also had invaders deified as the Tuatha Dé Danaan) because "They have dark skin and frizzy hair though *one can see such men anywhere in Civilisation* but practise circumcision, which is a uniquely Egyptian thing".
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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