Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Voyages of Aeneas and Ulysses
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:07:01 -0000

Salvete,

Does anyone know if National Geographic or some individual
adventurer ever traced and travelled the voyages of Ulysses and
Aeneas? I am currently reading The Odyssey and would like to see
pictures of the actual places used by Homer and Virgil for their epics.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Strangeness with the NovaRomaAnnounce list?
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:25:26 -0400

Salvete,

I've been busy with Real Life for much of the past year, and
have been depending on the NovaRomaAnnounce list to keep me
appraised of what's been going on. I just checked, since it
seemed like a very long time since I'd gotten anything, and
it wasn't listed in "My Groups."

So in some chagrin, I went hunting around, and found a
NovaRoma-Announce list which was created on the ides of March,
this year. I'm certain the similarly named list existed before
that, and I'm wondering why the other list was deleted.

(I know about the change from novaroma to Nova-Roma, as should
be obvious from this post.)

I'm wondering how many other citizens are still out of the loop
because of this...

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIUM
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:59:52 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> ---Salvete Rex Marcius et omnes:
>
Snip

> I cannot speak for the poster, but are you sure that Q. Fabius was
> just asking Censor Equitius to furnish the relevant sections of the
> constitution, upon which he was basing this edictum, as opposed to
> contesting it?
>
>
>
> Bene vale,
> Pompeia
>

Salve Praetrix!

No I was not sure, that is why I phrased it with a lot of 'ifs'
and "guesses". I am no longer a member of the Senate, so forgive me
that I do not know what exact position the valued QFM took there (I
really wish the proposal to have the debates before the public eye
would have passed, when it was up for discussion).

>From what I remember in the mainlist (maybe I remember wrongly or I
missed a few postings), QFM seemed to have sided with LCS in the
matter of gens reform....and the latter always seemed dead straight
against such a right. Well, QFM cleared up his position and I am
satisfied with that.

Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Voyages of Aeneas and Ulysses
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net>
Date:	Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:59:47 -0400

In the book _Black Ships Before Troy_ Rosemary Sutcliff has maps
showing the voyages of the various Greek contingents to Troy.
I don't know of any specific examples of the later voyages of
Odessyus or Aeneas though.

You might check at britannica.com, they generally have good maps
along with their articles.

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Strangeness with the NovaRomaAnnounce list?
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:29:26 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Gnae Equiti,

> So in some chagrin, I went hunting around, and found a
> NovaRoma-Announce list which was created on the ides of March,
> this year. I'm certain the similarly named list existed before
> that, and I'm wondering why the other list was deleted.

Exactly the same reason as the name change for this list; those
lists were under the control of Flavius Vedius and Priscilla Vedia,
who left us in March.

> I'm wondering how many other citizens are still out of the loop
> because of this...

I did a mass-mailing in May, shortly after the change of lists...
but perhaps it would be a good idea to do it again, invite everyone
to subscribe to both lists once again (and also announce the
upcoming elections). I'll coordinate this with the Censores.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Voyages of Aeneas and Ulysses
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:40:33 -0000

Salve Gai,

Try the EVN or Educational Video Network. They have a selection of 10
videos starting with the Aeneid and going though Ulysses, FOUNDING OF
Rome and all that good stuff. See link below.


http://siteminer.superstats.com/search.html




--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Does anyone know if National Geographic or some individual
> adventurer ever traced and travelled the voyages of Ulysses and
> Aeneas? I am currently reading The Odyssey and would like to see
> pictures of the actual places used by Homer and Virgil for their
epics.
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Voyages of Aeneas and Ulysses
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:46:41 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Gai,
>
Sorry, that url dosen't open on my test. Just search for 'Educational
Video Network", go into their search menu, type Aeneid and you'll
find the list.

Quintus

>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Does anyone know if National Geographic or some individual
> > adventurer ever traced and travelled the voyages of Ulysses and
> > Aeneas? I am currently reading The Odyssey and would like to see
> > pictures of the actual places used by Homer and Virgil for their
> epics.
> >
> > Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Academic approach
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:41:30 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

I am having an interesting discussion about the possibility of NR
developing some good future credentials with the Academic world.
Lucia has some good ideas that we should address. I got her
permission to post the discussion on this message board for more
citizens to see. We'd love to hear more comments and suggestions.

Regards - Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Academic approach, discussion 1
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:45:11 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:


Salve Quintus!

Thank you for your kind missive. I gather from
your eddress that you hail from Alberta, yes?

As to Southern Ontario members, with luck I will
be able to draw some new ones. The difficulty
will be in maintaining an academic face to Nova
Roma. I really don't want NR to be dismissed in
academic circles the way that the SCA tends to
be. Sounds elitist I know but there it is.

Lucia Sallustina Albania

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Academic approach, discussion 2
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:49:20 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> From: "mjk" <mjk@d...>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 4:30 am
Subject: Re: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Salvate omnes!



Salve Lucia,

Thank you for your reply. I am from Alberta as you figured but I keep
in contact with Canada Orientalis in case I can break free from here
and get down to some events in your area.

I guess that in Nova Roma we all have one thing in common. A real
interest, love and passion for Ancient Rome, Greece, the Classics
etc. We have people from all walks of life: administrators, lawyers,
military officers, academics, geologists, archeologists, a classics
professor from Spain, a film producer and even a retired nuclear sub
designer to boot. As you see there are over 1500 members now. Of
course we may not have the same academic credentials as Classic
university professors but we do have the mental abilities to study,
learn and communicate with each other and the public. I would hope
the Academics would not dismiss organizations like NR or the SCA out
of hand. I think these two organizations as well as some others are
doing a much better sales job bringing the interest of the Ancient
world to the average Joe than are the Universities. In this
technocratic and changing world there are many that think the
Classics are passe and a waste of time. What is the point of learning
Latin or Greek and what Cicero said 2100 years ago ? Its got little
to do with good salesmanship, computer, mechanical or modern social
skills. An analogy in North America would be the symphonies, operas,
and ballets. For many years they were just for the upper echelon
(intellectuals or rich people). In Europe they were geared for every
day folk and kids in Italy used to be able to whistle all the arias
and tunes in the streets. In North America these arts were always
subsidized by government or rich patrons. Several symphonies are now
bankrupted in the states.

Similarily Ancient Rome and the Classical world may one day face the
same situation in our learning institutions. This would be tragic.I
feel part of the job of Nova Roma is to keep
the memory and spirit of Rome and the classical world alive. We all
can't be PHD's. I, for example know 10x more in history than some
professors. Still, without that paper diploma behind my name my ideas
are meaningless to some. Hopefully Lucia, people with your academic
credentials could be great liaisons between NR and the Academics. We
scratch their backs; they scratch ours. Developing an interest and
teaching the average Joe about the accomplishments of Rome in this
organization would turn out more interested students for the Academic
world. Gosh, the same brain power used to memorize the lineup for the
NHL or NFL team could just as easily remember who the 12 Caesars were
that Seutonius talks about.

Do you have some suggestions as how we could form good bonds with the
Academic Institutions? Any thoughts on what I have said? Well take
care, have a great weekend.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

>
> Salve Quintus!
>
> Thank you for your kind missive. I gather from
> your eddress that you hail from Alberta, yes?
>
> As to Southern Ontario members, with luck I will
> be able to draw some new ones. The difficulty
> will be in maintaining an academic face to Nova
> Roma. I really don't want NR to be dismissed in
> academic circles the way that the SCA tends to
> be. Sounds elitist I know but there it is.
>
> Lucia Sallustina Albania

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Address III: The Nature of a Veto. (Clarificat...
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:52:10 EDT

In a message dated 9/29/02 8:20:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
richmal@attbi.com writes:


> That said, I do hope that L.
> Cornelius Sulla does state his reason(s) for his veto because deep
> down I know that he is worthy of my vote for any future office he may
> wish to run for even if it turns out that I totally disagree with him
> on one or two instances.
>

Cassius,
If you want to speak to Jr. Consul, e-mail him direct and talk to him,
personally.
Pressuring him in public is not worthy of one with name of the rich heritage
of the Cassii. I'm sure your Paterfamilias would not approve. Oh I forgot,
you do not listen to him anyway.
As for the question of you not voting for him, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
has been Consul twice, as well as Censor, Praetor, Quaestor, and Scriba. He
has completed the Cursus Honorum.
I do not believe he will need your vote for any office in the near future.
So I would say that was a pretty empty threat, wouldn't you?

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Academic approach, discussion 3
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:55:02 -0000

>
>
> From: Kristine Maitland <ms_m2you@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 12:44 am
Subject: Academia and NR (long)Re: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Salvate
omnes!

--- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@d...>
wrote:

> I would hope the Academics
> would not dismiss organizations like NR or the
> SCA out of hand.

In my experience classicists tend to be more open
minded than medievalists *g*.

There are many SCAdians (not all mind) who are
knowledgeable in their areas of study but they
tend to have two problems. From what I've seen,
main issue that academics have had with SCAdians
is the lack of scholarly enquiry, often there is
a tendancy to take an author's word as gospel
without "putting it through the paces". Further,
the SCAdian writing articles based on said
research tend to reiterate what these authors
have said - leaving me to say plaintively "yes,
but based on what? Give me a primary source,
damnit!".

The second problem stems from the lack of access
to quality sources, primary or secondary. I tend
to be the one on lists who will happily pull
secondary sources from academics journals, but
the average SCAdian seems unwilling to go that
far: how many times have I told Toronto Scadians
that their Toronto Public Library card gives them
access to this stuff online? Oh, and there seems
to be an inability to take an indisciplinary
approach when necessary.

> I think these two
> organizations as well as some others are doing
> a much better sales job bringing the interest
> of the Ancient world to the average Joe than
> are the Universities.

Perhaps. But the question results on what is
being sold: fantasy or reality? While there are
those who would differ, my 11 years of the SCA
tells me that it is a social club, for all the
opportunity for learning: getting the facts
correct is not a priority there for the most
part. I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, I'm
just saying that, given that NR is so small we
have an opportunity to develop it into an
excellent learning/teaching tool before the power
politicking gets ingrained into NR culture [hence
my pointed ignoring of Senate/Veto etc threads on
the main NR list]

> In this technocratic and
> changing world there are many that think the
> Classics are passe and a waste of time.

In Ontario, learning arts, athletics, and English
grammar are also considered passe and a waste of
time. But I digress.

> Hopefully Lucia, people with your
> academic credentials could be great liaisons
> between NR and the Academics. We scratch their
> backs; they scratch ours.

And I'm sure that classicists will highly
approve. As I said, they tend to pounce on any
excuse to further such study.

> Do you have some suggestions as how we could
> form good bonds with the Academic Institutions?

Several. For starters, we citizens of NR have to
make ourselves known to the academic communities
as a group interested in supporting their
interests: i.e. more bums in university seats.

Now when I was a teenager, U of T sponsored a
Classics Day. All high schools with Latin and
Ancient Greek classes were encouraged to attend
the all-day seminar. I used to LOVE to go: the
lectures were fun. I learned a Greek wine
drinking song and saw productions of Ancient
Greek plays. And it was Classics Day that led me
to get my Classical Civilization degree. Keep in
mind, I did not study Classical Languages to get
my degee! (though I did do Latin in High School)

Indeed, it was Classics Day that led playwright
Greg Robic to create the ACOC (The Ancient Comic
Opera Company): Aristophanes' Clouds ran in
Toronto for a year and the Musical Director (a
classicist himself, and my dear friend, Michael
McKay)was nominated for a Dora Award for his work
on the show.

NR could have a similar impact!

To wit, I made a point of checking the websites
of Ontario and Quebec universities with Classics
programs. Of the 10 or so I looked at, only two
had public lectures happening: Brock and U of T.
I have put the ones of interest to us on the
CONR calendar. Perhaps, we could encourage the
other universities to get their grad/ph.d
students to give short talks? Co-sponsor? Perhaps
we could be the impetus for Roman performances in
Drama departments, or historical discussion in
Film/Women's/Religious studies? Ideas can abound
here!

At the very least, we must talk to professors and
teachers of Classics (there is an Ontario
association of such teachers btw). We must attend
conferences when possible. We must ask questions
and be very very keen. We must cosy up to grad
students as they can be VERY helpful: reading a
thesis or two can't hurt.

When I go to conferences I introduce myself as a
private scholar (that's what's on my business
cards). You don't have to have been published in
an academic journal in order to be taken
seriously! You just have to be brave and not
worry about looking stupid because you need them
to translate a Latin quotation.

I would suggest strongly that we of CONR aspire
to a higher level of discourse and that we BE
VISIBLE!

Sadly I did not get to know about NR sooner or I
would have made the effort to attend the Classics
reunion at U of T last June. But I can say,
categorically, that NR will have its presence
known at U of T (and at York U and Ryerson) by
the end of this school year!

I knew that Hart House membership would come in
handy.

Lucia Sallustia Albania
(citizenship pending)



>

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Academic approach, discussion 3
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:01:24 -0000

From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 1:21 am
Subject: Academia and NR (long)Re: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Salvate
omnes!




--- In Canada_Orientalis_NR@y..., Kristine Maitland <ms_m2you@y...>
wrote:

Salve again Lucia,

I greatly appreciate it when people like you and Quintus take the
time and effort to address questions and points of view as you have
just done. The suggestions in your letter are very helpful and well
thought out. Thanks for looking over and considering my points of
view. Though I completed University I have been out of there for over
20 years now. I am glad you are currently in touch with that world.
Well after reading your comments and suggestions, I feel more
inspired to take a more scholarly approach to NR. As you say, it is
not too late to build some scholarly credibility into NR. When I am
in from the oil fields, I shall make a point of attending more public
lectures on the classics if they are available as well as getting to
more primary sources. I have friends in university who are lecturers
etc. Maybe they can introduce me to people in the classics
department. Again thank you Lucia and Quintus for your helpful input.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


> --- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@d...>
> wrote:






Snip to cut congestion
>
> At the very least, we must talk to professors and
> teachers of Classics (there is an Ontario
> association of such teachers btw). We must attend
> conferences when possible. We must ask questions
> and be very very keen. We must cosy up to grad
> students as they can be VERY helpful: reading a
> thesis or two can't hurt.
>
> When I go to conferences I introduce myself as a
> private scholar (that's what's on my business
> cards). You don't have to have been published in
> an academic journal in order to be taken
> seriously! You just have to be brave and not
> worry about looking stupid because you need them
> to translate a Latin quotation.
>
> I would suggest strongly that we of CONR aspire
> to a higher level of discourse and that we BE
> VISIBLE!
>
> Sadly I did not get to know about NR sooner or I
> would have made the effort to attend the Classics
> reunion at U of T last June. But I can say,
> categorically, that NR will have its presence
> known at U of T (and at York U and Ryerson) by
> the end of this school year!
>
> I knew that Hart House membership would come in
> handy.
>
> Lucia Sallustia Albania
> (citizenship pending)
>
>
>
> >

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A question
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:13:49 EDT

In a message dated 9/29/02 11:30:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
morosbe2001@yahoo.com writes:


> I mean by this social,
> religious political aspects of these women. Not just the upper class
> women, but the rest to?
>

The rest would be considered baby factories. The lower class married for
love or even expedency. Only the upper class received an education, and this
was mostly religious tracts. Women had rights, though they were limited.
Rome being a Patriarchal Warrior society saw to that.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Address III: The Nature of a Veto
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:28:30 EDT

In a message dated 9/29/02 4:42:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
scriba_forum@hotmail.com writes:


> Senator Q. Fabius opposed my rationale on this one, believing that
> you are just following procedure. Did he call me from Los Angeles
> and ask me if was ok? ***not***
>

Actually I did IM the Praetor to ask for a clarification. She never
responded, probably since she was asleep.
I followed the Senior Consul in this regard saying that advice of the Senate
should be solicited before the people's. Such reasoning followed the
historic Roman model.
To me while F. Vedius' project here is truly amazing, using him to establish
a precedent, was not advisable. Vedius was never a true Roman historian, and
he preferred expediency over legality. As for insulting the Praetor, that
was never my intention, her hard work speaks for itself. I feel fortunate to
have met her. However, I apologize to her publicly, if my remarks were
misconstrued.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Academic approach
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:14:19 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am having an interesting discussion about the possibility of NR
> developing some good future credentials with the Academic world.
> Lucia has some good ideas that we should address. I got her
> permission to post the discussion on this message board for more
> citizens to see. We'd love to hear more comments and suggestions.
>
> Regards - Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salve Quinte!

It may be worth pointing out to Lucia that there already is a place
in NR, where the academic face of our community is being shaped. It
is aptly called the "Academia" and there is a link to it on the NR-
homepage.

One of the stated goals of the Academia is to foster relationships
with the outside academic world and this is more than just vain talk.
Please invite her to contact the Academia because from what she
writes she may indeed have a lot to contribute!

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex
Triumvir Academia Thules

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Address III: The Nature of a Veto. (Clarificat...
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:50:38 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/29/02 8:20:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> Cassius,
> If you want to speak to Jr. Consul, e-mail him direct and talk to
him,
> personally.

> Pressuring him in public is not worthy of one with name of the rich
heritage
> of the Cassii. I'm sure your Paterfamilias would not approve. Oh
I forgot,
> you do not listen to him anyway.

If it were a private matter, then I would email him private. Since
this is a matter of actions taken as a public official it is well
with in my right as a voter to publically ask that he make account of
his actions. A magistarial veto is done in the name of the Senate
and the People of Rome. This person of Rome wishes a public
accounting of public actions done in his name. Since you want to
bring Paterfamilias into this, I could also take this veto as
politically spitting in the face of my Paterfamilias.

Marcus Cassius Julianus has neither publically nor privately
requested any course of action or inaction from myself I fail to see
how your accusation of that I don't listen to him anyway has any
merit. It is my experience that Marcus Cassius Julianus permits
the members of Gens Cassius to have their own opinions, permits them
to freely express them, and does not tell the members of Gens Cassius
how to think, how to vote, ect. In other words Marcus Cassius
Julianus treats the individual members of Gens Cassius as independent
adults not clients, children, or slaves.

> As for the question of you not voting for him, Lucius Cornelius
Sulla Felix
> has been Consul twice, as well as Censor, Praetor, Quaestor, and
Scriba. He
> has completed the Cursus Honorum.
> I do not believe he will need your vote for any office in the near
future.
> So I would say that was a pretty empty threat, wouldn't you?

It is not a threat, it is a promise that is not only binding in
regards to our Jr. Consul, but any elected magistrate that does not
give public account for actions taken in office. Whether Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix ever runs for another office is completely up
to him to decide. Is is certainly not for you to decide for him
whether my vote or anyone elses is or is not needed.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta
From:	markeedeesade@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:40:19 EDT

All this discussion on race is interesting, BUT in 2000 years, people dont
tend to look the same as they do today. Migration and intermarriage have
changed much of the worlds racial look, especcially in med, with its constant
movement of people. 2000 years ago, America was all indian, now you hardly
see them.

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] EDICTVM CENSORIBVS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIVM
From:	markeedeesade@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:43:07 EDT

<PRE>The system needs to be streamlined so that interested parties can join
swiftly, and not lose heart. I almost gave up it took so long to process my
application.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A question
From:	"Rachel" <theladysabine@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:59:44 -0000

There are two sites I know of concerning women in Rome and Athens...

http://www.stoa.org/diotima/

and

http://dominae.fws1.com/

Hope these help.

Vale
H Minucia Caesar

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Copyrights
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:00:06 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

I have a general question for any legal minds in NR. I do not mean to
bum free legal advice but this question is for every Nova Roman
helping with research. Are we infringing on copyright laws if we do
things such as posting information to a more or less non profit
private site;eg: information such as ancient recepies or step by step
instructions on how to build a Roman war machine etc. I my case I
always quote my sources as it is criminal to steal other people's
ideas in my opinion. Still, in our case, do we need to get written
permission from the publishers if we are using ideas from these
books? I just want to know the limits to keep us out of trouble.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Voyages of Aeneas and Ulysses
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:04:18 -0300 (ART)

Salve

The National Geographic magazine of august-1986 have a
reconstruction of the Ulysses travel, "The Quest for
Ulysses", by Tim Severin, an article with 30 pages,
plebty of illustrations. In a replica of a bronze age
galley, called Argo, a crew of 12 sailed eastern
mediterranean to reconstruct the homeward voyage of
Odysseus/Ulysses. The same crew and ship reconstructed
the voyage of Jason and the Argonauts in 1984.

Vale
Marcus Arminius

--- gcassiusnerva <gcassiusnerva@cs.com> escreveu: >
Salvete,
>
> Does anyone know if National Geographic or some
> individual
> adventurer ever traced and travelled the voyages of
> Ulysses and
> Aeneas? I am currently reading The Odyssey and
> would like to see
> pictures of the actual places used by Homer and
> Virgil for their epics.
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Strangeness with the NovaRomaAnnounce list?
From:	Bill Gawne <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:17:20 -0400

Consul Germanicus writes:

> I did a mass-mailing in May, shortly after the change of lists...
> but perhaps it would be a good idea to do it again, invite everyone
> to subscribe to both lists once again (and also announce the
> upcoming elections). I'll coordinate this with the Censores.

Thank you Consul. I appreciate it.

I sent you a longer reply via the web interface, to your personal
e-mail address. Please let me know if you received it.

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Response to Senator Maximus -EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT)

Senator and ProConsul Quintus Fabius Maximus:

Esteemed Sir:

I response to your last message to myself, I answer thusly:

---------Yes, you have written a counter-proposal, for which I honor
you. That information was not available to me when my first message was
posted.

---------You have wriiten in regard to the shameful incifdent regarding
the blockage of a Citizen wishing to leave a given Gens , "Once three
years ago, and it was resolved."

To which I answer one such incident was once too many, the resolving of
it, which resulted in the said citizen leaving Nova Roma in disgust was
to my mind not a "resolving of the problem", and my comment that in the
past three years I have seen nothing to lead me to believe the the
Paterfamilius responsible for that debacle would not undertake to do the
same again, for his own ego.

-----------As to your comment -- "The Censors knew what the job entailed
when they signed on." I perhaps did not make myself perfectly clear.
It is not the Censors to which I was referring, who are hard-working
Honorable men, but rather in fact the system under which they labor. If
the Censors do not feel that additional Scribae will help them in their
present situation, just perhaps, such is a not a way to solve it. It
was my view that we are in a mode of assisting our Magistrates when they
have identified a problem and ask for Senate Assistance. It is on that
premise that I spoke my mind to the populace and to my constituents.

---------In regard to the "shameful Veto of Jr Consul Sulla", again I
fear that I have not made myself clear to you, although I believe others
have understood me tolerably well. The Veto in and of itself cannot be
shameful since it is but a tool provided to certain Magistrates, just as
tool such as a hammer is provided to a carpenter. I have used it myself
on two occasions, as you well know.

My reference to such was the shameful purpose for which the Veto was
wielded. That purpose is well known and objected to by those in the
Senate whose dignity and wisdom I happen to hold in very high esteem.
As to my view of your comment regarding the Jr. Consul's dignatis, I
would prefer that my further views on that, would be shared only
"Face-To-Face," in private.

----------In regard to the "Greybeard" epithet, I have always indicated
my utmost respect for your greater historical background and knowledge,
and I now do so again. However, I also remind you that we are both
"American" and it can be expected, reasonably I think to some degree,
that our reactions will be governed by our current macroculture which is
heavy upon us, rather than the light touch of a microculture about which
most of us are not in detail, familiar with. Additionally, in my humble
view at least, when one endeavors to identify another with "labels" of
the distant past, and of a distant culture, perhaps the better part of
valor, might be to explain fully the use of those labels before using
them, rather than after the fact. In my experience such considerations
often prevent similar misunderstandings. The fact that you consider
yourself a "greybeard" does not effect me one way or the other, but your
belated explanation does. If in fact your "labeling" was meant as a
compliment, then you have my apology for my objection, in my obvious
ignorance. I beg your leave sir, to remind you that I entered here as a
student of Roman Culture and have not yet attained a greater position in
my continued efforts to learn about such.

-----------A "review" of the points to which I earlier referred are
always subject to all regardless of sides taken in the Senate. The
Veto, as wielded, forced the vote out of the Senate and has deprived the
people of Nova Roma of the knowledge and views of thier Senators. Now
the review must be conducted elsewhere, the opinions of the Senators
diseminated in other ways, and the information provided to the citizens
in "dribs and drabs" as indicated elsewhere, Rather than on a Senate
Vote Disclosure List published by the Tribunes in a timely fashion to
all Citizens immediate following the vote. In my view these Sebate Vote
Disclosures together with a List of Senate Agenda Items also provided by
the Tribunes, are all that are truly needed or desired by those not in
the Senate. A detailed explanation of all the meriad of aspects of what
goes on in the Senate over a given item of concern, will never be fully
covered, by anyone, regardless of thier appeal that they belong to no
faction or group, nor doesit in my view need to be. There are already
many many complaints about too much politics on the Main List. A
complaint which I have attempted in the past to bring to the citizenry,
and which wasvoted down by a very vocal Minority. However, the
"review" my good friend, will continue, (You yourself already entering
into such with a countr-proposal of your own) and somewhere, in some
forum, a majority will be obtained and from there we will move on.
Perhaps your generous action in working up a counter-proposal with it's
interesting points should have been undertaken by the Jr. Consul rather
than the hammering home of a Veto which does no-one any good service.

---------------I am sure that you find much of my verbage on this list
both "tiresome" and "rhetoric." This probably because I am not as quick
a study as yourself in this game of politics, and you grow "fractuous"
at my slow and plodding ways. However, I believe it was you who
somewhere stated that those of the NR Citizens who required it for
complete understanding be "spoon-fed" until understanding was complete.
If that is a truism then perhaps I may be be permitted my "tiresome"
discussion and simplistic "rhetoric" with my constitutents once in
awhile, as you have flooded them with your recent discussons in similar
areas.

----------Yes, I believe the Jr. Consul to be wrong for several reasons.
Yes, many others of standing and who have a record of clear and careful
understanding agree with my position. However, none of us have taken
refuge behind a Veto, in order to preserve our intent, and all of us are
willing to listen to proposals which are couched in an attempt to
concur, rather than disguised with words meant to mislead and retain the
present status quo. My "inflexibility" or lack of it has been well
demonstrated in the Senate over past years, and interested citizens may
see the evidence for themselves in the archives. None of us need your
inuendo to move us to positve action.

------------I am quite aware, my friend, that this is not an Empire, You
will remember that I. like yourself, after me, have attained the Cursus
Honorium and that would indicate that perhaps, I may fully realize that
this is a Republic, and as in a Republic differing views are allowed,
and those views gain strength when supported by those individuals who
have somehow demonstrated status within that Republic, who are acting
for the benefit of the Republic, and for the benefit of the people of
the Republic, diligently folowing thier Oath to do so.

--------------In regard to the "discussion on merits," or the lack
thereof in the case of some individual determinations; I was of the
opinion that such was what was being undertaken by myself, until you
chose to label me with a unfamiliar term, to which, I believe, quite
reasonably without supporting documentation, I took offense to.

In short I was explaining to those of my constitutents my views of the
recent events. These views have not been significantly changed by your
further discussions at this time. That is not to say that they will not
change, and my "inflexibilty" is not quite as far advanced as perhaps
you have been want to suggest.

Additionally, I find it somewhat amusing that the Junior Consul cannot
trust himself to justify and defend his own actions, but must rely upon
two heavy-hitters to do so in his place. Certainly an admirable action
on the part of yourself and Senator Strabo, but I should think somewhat
wearing to defend a person whose stability in his decisions has been, in
the past on more than one occasion, brought into question, by many of
those ranking personaages of a definately more stable and thoughtful
demeanor.

Respectfully;

M. Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Address III: The Nature of a Veto. (Clarificat...
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:05:44 EDT

In a message dated 9/30/02 5:52:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
richmal@attbi.com writes:
> Julianus treats the individual members of Gens Cassius as independent
> adults not clients, children, or slaves.

Interesting you should use those three words. Since Marcus Cassius has been
using them to incorrectly describe the Cornelii gensmembers for years. I see
your Paterfamilias has a strong influence on you.
Lucius Cornelius remains silent due to the propensity of his political
enemies to twist his words to suit their means.
Suffice to say, Lucius Cornelius does not believe that this proposal has all
of Nova Roma's best interests at heart. He wishes to see modifications.
When those modifications are negotiated he will lift his veto. And that
should be enough information for you, Cassius.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Copyrights
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:21:08 EDT

In a message dated 9/30/02 9:03:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@datanet.ab.ca writes:


> Are we infringing on copyright laws if we do
> things such as posting information to a more or less non profit
> private site;eg: information such as ancient recepies or step by step
> instructions on how to build a Roman war machine etc. I my case I
> always quote my sources as it is criminal to steal other people's
> ideas in my opinion. Still, in our case, do we need to get written
> permission from the publishers if we are using ideas from these
> books? I just want to know the limits to keep us out of trouble.
>
>

Actually this depends on how much material is "fair use." This means as long
as the authors and publications are credited, and we are not selling
information, (dues do not count towards this) we are all right.
However, the author(s) may request that the research be removed from the site
at anytime, and we have to carry out the wishes. This why you see on
websites, "Authors who wish their contributions to be removed, please contact
the webmaster."

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Response to Senator Maximus -EDICTUM CENSORIBUS DE LIBERTATE ...
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:30:26 EDT

> Senator et ProConsul Quintus Fabius Maximus Senator et ProConsul Marce
> Minuce Audens SPD


Thank you for taking the time for making your position clear.
I respectively disagree with several of your points, which wouldn't be the
first time.
So be it, and I will see you on the Senate floor soon. <Grin>

Vale




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Clarification of Senator Strabo's Position
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:51:30 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

Today, Senator M. Minucius Audens wrote:
..."I find it somewhat amusing that the Junior Consul cannot trust
himself to justify and defend his own actions, but must rely on two
heavy hitters to do so in his place.

Certainly an admirable action on the part of yourself (referring to
Q. Fabius) and Senator Strabo"

And "Senator Strabo" REALLY (not yelling) said, in her mudpile of
Praetoral Addresses, with respect to the Veto of L Cornelius Sulla.

...that the Senators who speak against it are 'entitled to their
opinions".

...that the veto of L. Cornelius Sulla was about adoptio issues
much) and that beyond that...

"I will let him speak for himself"

Where in the above, have I rendered any opinion or justification, one
way or other other? Seems to me is is a statement more 'informative'
than anything else.

Heck, I have my own opinions too, don't we all? But let us read and
comment on what is written, rather than what we 'suppose' is written.
before misrepresenting another's position.

"The Defense Rests" :)

Pompeia Cornelia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Taxation (was: Senate call)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:55:57 -0300 (ART)

Salve

--- "G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
escreveu: >
> Hail Nova Roma
> I want to know if someone could tell me about this
> annual membership fee and why have I never read
> about on the NR web site?If I've over looked it
> please show me where to look and how much to give.
> Thank you for your help.
> G.Porticus Brutis

MAIOR: You can find more details in our Tabularium.
The Lex Vedia de Assidui et Capiti Censi creates a
different status among taxpayers and non-taxpayers:
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-05-20-i.html

and a Senatus Consulta defined the taxation for this
year.
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-viii.html

Please note that this year of 2755 was the first one
that the taxation was collected, and some issues are
still beign settled.

> M Arminius Maior wrote:Senate call
>
> Last week, the Senate was called to order by the
> Consul M. Octavius Germanicus.
[..]
> ITEM III. Restructure annual membership fees to be
> proportional to national per capita GDP.
[..]

Vale bene
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Copyrights
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:03:56 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/30/02 9:03:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>Salve Q. Fabi Maxime,

Thank you for this information. It helps a lot!

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>> Actually this depends on how much material is "fair use." This
means as long
> as the authors and publications are credited, and we are not
selling
> information, (dues do not count towards this) we are all right.
> However, the author(s) may request that the research be removed
from the site
> at anytime, and we have to carry out the wishes. This why you see
on
> websites, "Authors who wish their contributions to be removed,
please contact
> the webmaster."
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Copyrights
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:23:47 -0500

"...as it is criminal to steal other people's
ideas in my opinion."

Usually, aggrieved parties must file a civil lawsuit outlining liability and damages.







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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Copyrights


In a message dated 9/30/02 9:03:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@datanet.ab.ca writes:


> Are we infringing on copyright laws if we do
> things such as posting information to a more or less non profit
> private site;eg: information such as ancient recepies or step by step
> instructions on how to build a Roman war machine etc. I my case I
> always quote my sources as it is criminal to steal other people's
> ideas in my opinion. Still, in our case, do we need to get written
> permission from the publishers if we are using ideas from these
> books? I just want to know the limits to keep us out of trouble.
>
>

Actually this depends on how much material is "fair use." This means as long
as the authors and publications are credited, and we are not selling
information, (dues do not count towards this) we are all right.
However, the author(s) may request that the research be removed from the site
at anytime, and we have to carry out the wishes. This why you see on
websites, "Authors who wish their contributions to be removed, please contact
the webmaster."

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A question
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:31:52 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Mike Rasschaert" <morosbe2001@y...> wrote:
> Salvete
> I have a question about how women were seen in ancient Rome from
the
> days of the Republic to the Imperial times? I mean by this social,
> religious political aspects of these women. Not just the upper
class
> women, but the rest to?

Salve Mike,

In Ancient Rome women were excluded from public life except
occasionally as priestesses. They could not become magistrates or
vote in elections. The women only exercised political power only if
they were the wives of some prominant politician or leader. From the
late republic on, women to gain greater freedoms in managing their
personal business and financial affairs. Unless they were married
under the control of her husband, women could own, inherit and
dispose of property. Many women were involved in running the
household and taking care of the children; however they had no legal
rights over children.

A woman who married without her husband's control still retained a
guardian through her life. This regulation was eased from the time of
Augustus Caesar and by the end of the second century guardianship
became only a formality.

Little is known about the lot of female slaves and free women.
The same situation was similar for women in ancient Greece.
The wealthy ladies could not leave the home wihout a proper male
servant escort or her husband. When the boys visited for a wine or
two the ladies stayed in segregated rooms away from the visitors.
Your average working girl in Athens however,was able to sell her
wares and foods in the markets. Smart wives as in Rome often had a
great political infuence if their husbands were prominant leaders.


Regards,

Michael Kelly

Reference: Handbook To Life In Ancient Rome - Adkins & Adkins -
Oxford University Press - 1994

The New Popular History of The World - Wallace E. Cadwell - Edward H.
Merrill - The Greystone Press - 1964

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Address III: The Nature of a Veto. (Clarificat...
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:57:20 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/30/02 5:52:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> richmal@a... writes:
> > Julianus treats the individual members of Gens Cassius as
independent
> > adults not clients, children, or slaves.
>
> Interesting you should use those three words. Since Marcus Cassius
has been
> using them to incorrectly describe the Cornelii gensmembers for
years. I see
> your Paterfamilias has a strong influence on you.

First you say that I ignore my Paterfamilias, then you say he has a
strong influence? I see that you feel free to define my relationship
to Marcus Cassius Julianus however it suits you at the moment. You
are certainly welcome to your opinion, I just wish it were
consistent.

> Lucius Cornelius remains silent due to the propensity of his
>political enemies to twist his words to suit their means.

That is a poor excuse in my book. Political enemies would somehow
twist something as innocent as, "The sky is a nice shade of blue
today," into something sinister. It comes with the territory and the
old saying about the heat and the kitchen comes to mind. Ironic that
you complain about word twisting in the same epistle as you twist my
words to be an accusation against Gens Corneli. I suspected such
would happen and came very close to deleting that phrase but decided
to see if my suspicions would be confirmed. I am saddened that you
didn't prove my suspicions incorrect.

> Suffice to say, Lucius Cornelius does not believe that this
proposal has all
> of Nova Roma's best interests at heart. He wishes to see
modifications.
> When those modifications are negotiated he will lift his veto. And
that
> should be enough information for you, Cassius.

Am I to presume correctly that you are now spokesperson for Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix? If that is the case I will accept your answer
on his behalf and I sincerely thank you for publically answering my
question concerning this matter.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTVM CENSORIBVS DE LIBERTATE GENTILIVM
From:	"MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS" <MLCRASSVS@aol.com>
Date:	Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:13:09 -0000

MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS QUIRITIBVS S.P.D.

AVETE,

Over the last few days much has been said about and concerning the
motives of honoured Junior Consul LVCIVS CORNELIVS SVLLA FELIX with
regard to exercising his right to pronounce INTERCESSIO over the
proposed LEX on gens reform.

While I take the point of honoured Senator QVINTVS FABIVS MAXIMVS
that the good Consul is not legally required, under the Constitution,
to explain his reasoning/ motives, I would respectfuly suggest that
given the debate thus far it may now be prudent to do so.

In fairness, Consul Sulla did, as I recall, make his reasons public
at the time, as to what he saw as the demerits of the proposed LEX,
however, there is now a quite separate issue being raised with
regards to his motives. Ultimately, I believe only Consul Sulla
himself can answer this aspect of the debate. For this reason, I
would implore the honourable Consul to break his silence and speak
before the people.

Although I have said publically, that I respectfully disagree with
Consul Sulla and his supporters on the issue of gens reform, I do
urge caution to all in ascribing dishonourable motives as we have yet
to hear from Consul Sulla. I am not naive and fully appreciate that
INTERCESSIO while legally exercised could well be invoked for less
than honourable reasons but do we know that to be so in this case?

Let us have Roman fair play and justice on the matter, let us hear
from Sulla.


VALETE


M. CALIDIVS GRACCHVS
CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE


TVVS IN SODOLICIO RES PVBLICA ROMANAE

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: [SodalitasMilitarium] Return of the Prodigal Son
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:11:01 +0200

Salve Amice!

Welcome back! ;-)

>After months of fighting the barbaric Vandals (read ex
>wife), Tribunus Angusticlavii M. Scipio Africanus,
>returns to Rome, victorius in battle.
>
>I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! ;)
>

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:04:32 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Arnamentia Aurelia S.P.D.

> Please let us know if the film succeeds in it's goal
> to be played *only* in Latin and Aramaic. (I have a
> hunch they may add subtitles later.)

I have only articles about this movie in italian language and they say that
it will a innovative experiment.
http://www.repubblica.it/online/spettacoli_e_cultura/mel/mel/mel.html
Mel Gibson is thinging about it from 10 years and he wants to re-create the
same background of Giudea in 1 B.C.
So the actors will talk only in latin and aramaic and the movie will not
subtitled. I don't if there'll a commercial version with subtitles or
sound-track.
I hope he'll use local actors because the italian is the language closer to
latin for methric and tone. The english original version of "The Gladiator"
is horrible: the gladiators have a wrong latin pronunciation.
About the location Gibson have choosen a region in South Italy very similar
to Israel. The city of Matera is wondeful and particular and there is a lot
of little ruined towns in the hinterland.
About the actors Jesus will be Jim Caveziel and Satan Rosalinda Celentano,
maybe Monica Belluci as Magdalen.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XIII - AEDIFICATIO LOCVTIONIS PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:41:42 +0200

EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XIII
AEDIFICATIO LOCVTIONIS PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
1st October, 2002

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

I. By this Edictum a representative locution is established for Provincia
Italia. This sentence has been chosen by the Italic majority with a
provincial Comitia, just as written in Edictum Propraetoricium X - Comitia
Provinciae Italiae de Electione Locutionis Provinciae.

II. The Provincia Italia's locution, visible at the Internet address
http://italia.novaroma.org is the Latin "ALME SOL ... POSSIS NIHIL VRBE ROMA
VISERE MAIVS", sentence by Oratius taken from "Carme" (17 B.C.). It
represents the elements of the Provincia Italia and of Nova Roma: the Sun,
the presence of Rome and the protection of the Goddess, the greatness of an
Urbe which is of each italic citizen. In Italian means "O Sole che generi la
vita ... Tu non possa mai vedere niente più grande di Roma", in english
sounds "Sun creating the life ... You'll not can to see anything bigger of
Rome".

III. This edictum ha an immediate effect. Given on Kalendis Octobribus 2755
(1st October, 2002), in the year of Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix's consulship.

IV. This Edictum is approved by Curia Italica
(13/09/2002,http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt).

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

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EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XIII
AEDIFICATIO LOCVTIONIS PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
1° Ottobre, 2002

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

I. Con questo Edictum è istituito il motto rappresentativo della Provincia
Italia. Tale locuzione è stata scelta dalla maggioranza dei cittadini
italici tramite Comitia provinciali come previsto dall'Edictum
Propraetoricium X - Comitia Provinciae Italiae de Electione Locutionis
Provinciae.

II. Il motto della Provincia Italia, visionabile all'indirizzo Internet
http://italia.novaroma.org è la locuzione in Latino "ALME SOL ... POSSIS
NIHIL VRBE ROMA VISERE MAIVS", frase attribuita a Orazio tratta da "Carme"
(17 a.C.). Essa rappresenta gli elementi che caratterizzano la Provincia
Italia e Nova Roma: il Sole, la presenza di Roma e la protezione della Dea,
la grandezza
di una Città che è di ognuno dei cittadini italici! In Italiano ha il
significato di "O Sole che generi la vita ... Tu non possa mai vedere niente
più grande di Roma", in inglese "Sun creating the life ... You'll not can to
see anything bigger of Rome".

III. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato alle Kalendis
Octobribus 2755 (1° Ottobre 2002), nell'anno del consolato di Marcus
Octavius Germanicus e Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

IV. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae