| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XIV - AEDIFICATIO AERARII ET MACELLI PROVINCIAE ITALIAE |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:42:39 +0200 |
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EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XIV
AEDIFICATIO AERARII ET MACELLI PROVINCIAE ITALIAE.
2nd October, 2002
Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
A. Introduction
The numerous activities provided and organized by the Provincia Italia
organization, need a constant and big financial contribution.
Because of the numerous expenses of Nova Roma promotion and considered the
little contribution, defined by the law for the Provincia Italia in the year
2755, in order to avoid other expenses for Italian citizens, busy in those
activities, was necessary to find different ways to gain and the institution
of a provincial cash case.
B. AERARIUM PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
I. With this Edictum the Provincia Italia found the provincial Aerarium; a
cash bank where the Provincia Italia earnings will be placed and every
activities of Nova Roma in Italy will be financed.
II. After having individuated the most profitable offer, an official bank
account will be opened, run by the Prefectus Aerarii named by the Propretor
or individuated among the provincial magistrates. In case of temporary or
permanent absence of Praefectus Aerarii, the account office and
responsibilities will be recovered by the Propraetor Provinciae Italiae.
Waiting the official bank account opening, the personal Propretor's bank
account will be used for this purpose.
III. The Prefectus Aerarii will preserve the evidence of every movement of
money entrance and exit and, under the Propretor and the Curia Italica's
instructions he will deposit a partial or total coverage of Italic citizens'
expenses for above mentioned activities.
IV. The Praefectus Aerarii will have to inform every two months, the
Propraetor in office, the Curia Italica, the Collegium Aerarii about the
bank account balance and movements and also he will have to send a copy of
it to every Provincia Italica citizens, through the proposed mailing lists
or any other right mean. The account balance will be published periodically
in the provincial site http://italia.novaroma.org.
C. MACELLUM PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
I. With this Edictum the Provincia Italia found the provincial official
Macellum, that it's to say a place deeded, and the main street through,
Italian citizens could make commercial activities and enterprises to finance
the Provincia Italia Erarium.
II. The Macellum will be carried out through the internet site
http://italia.novaroma.org/macellum and exceptionally through auction
on-line. For this reason an account in the most known auctions on-line will
be created. (Yahoo!, Aucland, E-Bazar, ecc.). The access to the Macellum
will be available for everyone also for the ones who are not Nova Roma
citizens.
III. The payment to buy an article will be made through PayPal on line or
through a postal deposit, registered by the Prefectus Aerarii or by the
Propraetor in office.
IV. The Provincia Italia Administration will guarantee the products
authenticity and their delivery will be made as soon as possible.
V. The Collegium Aerarii will have to keep watch and control the products
quality and members' commercial activities. This Organic will be yearly
elected from the Propraetor in office and it is composed at maximum by five
members, chosen among the provincial Magistrates and the best sellers.
VI. Citizens after having made three selling will be officially considered
Macellum's members and after a Collegium Aerarii resolution they could
present to the Censores, the request Ordo Equester official admission.
VII. The Collegium Aerarii after having proved the negligences (they have
not to be occasional) in the development of the commercial activities, can
exclude from the Macellum the defaulting citizen and, in case of his
enrollment in the Ordo Equester , it can point him out to the Aediles
Curules .
VIII. Every Italic Citizen who will want to sell an object through the
provincial Macellum must communicate to the Propraetor its buying, selling,
retail price. The object will be put in the virtual shop. The seller himself
will provide the sold object delivery and he will be responsible for the
product quality in front of the provincial administration (see par.-V)
IX. For every sold product from the Macellum members, the gain will be
divided in this way:
- The seller will be refunded for the product purchase price.
- A risk allowance for the seller equal to the 15% of the gain.(selling,
buying price)
- Contribution to Nova Roma equal to the 5% of the total cost as preview in
the Lex Cornelia de Rebus Ordinis Equestris Agendis.
- The remaining gain will be deposited in the Aerarium Provinciae Italie.
X. Every two months the Provincia Italia will send to every sellers the
amount decided in the upper scheme through a bank transfer or a postal
deposit. In occasion of the provincial Aerarium balance, will be given a
report of the made payments
D. This Edictum has immediate effects. Promulgate a.d. VI Nonas Octobres
2755 (2nd October, 2002) during Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Lucius
Cornelius Sulla's Consulate.
E. This Edictum is approved by Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt).
Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
----------------------------------------------
EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM XIV
AEDIFICATIO AERARII ET MACELLI PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
2 Ottobre 2002
Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
A. Introduzione
Le numerose attività previste ed organizzate dall'amministrazione
della Provincia Italia, richiedono un costante e notevole apporto
finanziario.
A seguito anche delle dispendiose spese di promozione di Nova Roma e
dato l'irrisorio contributo definito dalla legge e previsto per la
Provincia Italia per l'anno 2755, onde evitare altre spese a carico dei
cittadini italici impegnati in tali attività, si è resa necessaria
l'individuazione di diverse fonti di guadagno e l'istituzione di una
cassa provinciale.
B. AERARIVM PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
I. Con questo Edictum la Provincia Italia istituisce l'Aerarium
provinciale, una cassa di risparmio nella quale confluirà ogni
guadagno della Provincia e con la quale saranno sovvenzionate le
attività di Nova Roma in Italia.
II. Dopo aver individuato l'offerta più vantaggiosa, sarà aperto un
conto bancario ufficiale, gestito da un Praefectus Aerarii nominato
dal Propraetor o individuato fra i magistrati provinciali.
Nel caso di assenza permanente o temporanea del Praefectus Aerarii,
la carica e le responsabilità del conto saranno ricoperte dallo
stesso Propraetor Provinciae Italiae. In attesa dell'apertura di un
conto bancario, si utilizzerà il conto bancario personale del
Propraetor.
III. Il Praefectus Aerarii dovrà conservare testimonianza di qualsiasi
movimento in entrata ed in uscita e, sotto istruzioni del Propraetor e della
Curia Italica, verserà contributi a copertura parziale o totale delle spese
sostenute da cittadini italici per le attività sopraccitate.
IV. Il Praefectus Aerarii dovrà render conto del saldo e dei
movimenti del conto ogni due mesi al Propraetor in carica, alla Curia
Italica, al Collegium Aerarii e in copia a tutti i cittadini
della Provincia Italia, tramite le apposite mailing list o altro
mezzo idoneo. Il saldo del conto sarà pubblicato periodicamente sul
sito provinciale http://italia.novaroma.org.
C. MACELLUM PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
I. Con questo Edictum la Provincia Italia istituisce il Macellum
ufficiale provinciale, ovvero uno spazio dedicato ed
una corsia preferenziale attraverso cui i cittadini italici potranno
svolgere attività ed iniziative commerciali al fine di finanziare
l'Aerarium della Provincia Italia.
II. Il Macellum si svolgerà tramite il sito internet
http://italia.novaroma.org/macellum ed eccezionalmente tramite asta
on-line.
Per tale motivo sarà creato un apposito account presso i più noti
servizi di aste on-line (Yahoo!, Aucland, E-Bazar, ecc.).
L'accesso al Macellum sarà possibile per tutti, anche per i non cittadini di
Nova Roma.
III. Il pagamento per l'acquisto di un prodotto avverrà tramite
pagamento on-line PayPal o tramite versamento postale intestato al
Praefectus Aerarii o al Propraetor in carica.
IV. L'amministrazione della Provincia Italia garantirà l'autenticità
del prodotto e la consegna nel più breve tempo possibile.
V. Il Collegium Aerarii avrà compiti di vigilanza e controllo della
qualità dei prodotti e delle attività commerciali dei membri.
Tale organo è eletto annualmente dal Propraetor in carica ed è
composto da un massimo di cinque membri, scelti fra i Magistrati provinciali
ed i migliori venditori.
VI. I cittadini, che dopo aver effettuato tre vendite saranno
ritenuti ufficialmente membri del Macellum a seguito di una delibera
del Collegium Aerarii, potranno presentare ai Censores la domanda di
ammissione all'Ordo Equester.
VII. Il Collegium Aerarii, a fronte di comprovate e non occasionali
negligenze nello svolgimento delle attività commerciali, può
escludere dal Macellum il cittadino inadempiente e, nel caso fosse
iscritto all'Ordo Equester, segnalarlo agli Aediles Curules.
VIII. Ogni cittadino italico che intende vendere un oggetto tramite il
Macellum provinciale deve comunicare al Propraetor il prezzo d'acquisto ed
il prezzo di vendita al dettaglio. L'oggetto sarà inserito all'interno del
negozio virtuale. Il venditore si occuperà egli stesso della consegna
dell'oggetto venduto E sarà responsabile della qualità del prodotto di
fronte all'amministrazione provinciale (vedi PAR. C-V)
IX. Per ogni prodotto venduto dai membri ufficiali del Macellum, il
guadagno sarà così ripartito:
- rimborso al venditore del prezzo d'acquisto del prodotto
- indennità di rischio imprenditoriale al venditore pari al 15% del
guadagno (prezzo di vendita - prezzo di acquisto)
- contributo a Nova Roma pari al 5% del costo totale come previsto
dalla Lex Cornelia de Rebus Ordinis Equestris Agendis.
Il restante guadagno sarà versato nell'Aerarium Provinciae Italiae.
X. Ogni due mesi la Provincia Italia invierà ad ogni venditore la
somma pattuita secondo lo schema sopracitato, tramite bonifico
bancario o versamento postale. In occasione della comunicazione del
saldo dell'Aerarium provinciale, sarà fornito un report dei pagamenti
effettuati.
D. Questo Edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato a.d. a.d. VI Nonas
Octobres 2755 (2 Ottobre 2002) nell'anno del Consolato di Marcus Octavius
Germanicus e Lucius Cornelius Sulla.
E. IV. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (13/09/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r05092002.txt)
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Errata Corrige LVCA |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:33:28 -0000 |
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Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
> The exciting Ludi by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus come back and they
are the
> last of the 2755...
I'm sorry, I have write a wrong information.
The Ludi Victoria aren't the last festival of the year, because
there will the Ludi Plebeis organized by Illustrus Tiberius
Apollonius Cicatrix.
I wanted to say that this Ludi are the last organized by Illustrus
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
Sorry, but in Italy it is 2.28 AM ... ;-)
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Statement of LCS |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:53:27 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete Quirites,
Senator Audens has often given us wise advice on many
matters, however there is one thing to take into
consideration when the Senator wishes to advise us
about the Junior Consul. Marcus Minucius harbors a
strong personal dislike for Lucius Cornelius, and I'm
afraid that he fails to set aside these personal
feelings when he comments on the Junior Consuls
actions.
In the past he has attacked the Junior Consul for
posting too much, and now for not posting enough. It
seems that nothing Lucius Cornelius can do will please
Marcus Minucius. (Except perhaps resigning his
citizenship)
The Senators strong personal feelings towards the
Junior Consul make his advice less than objective.
Time after time Marcus Minucius has made posts about
Lucius Cornelius that are strongly cricital, yet I
can't recall a single post praising the actions of a
man who has devoted hundreds of hours working for Nova
Roma. I Invite any citizen who doubts this to peruse
the archives for Marcus Minicus's earlier posts
regarding Lucius Cornelius. Once you do you will
discover why I take anything the Senator posts
regarding Lucius Cornelius with a large grain of salt.
--- MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> Excellent Senator Maximus indeed!! Both he and
> Senator Strabo and
> others have stayed the course to propose new ideas,
> to move ever more
> surely towards concurrence, while the Jr. Consul who
> is supposed to be
> directing these efforts has set upon this idea his
> Veto, and then sought
> refuge because he is afraid that his own words my be
> used against him.
> Hmmmmmm!!! seems as if from the Main List this is
> clearly understood
> even by those who do not have the wide and
> far-reaching experience
> claimed by Junior Consul Sulla.
>
> When such claims are made unasked, justifying one'
> actions, my mind
> turns to a Navy Colleague who once said of a Chief
> Petty Officer who
> claimed the experience and wisdom of 20 years of
> service, to which the
> Chief Warrant Officer replied. "Correction Chief,
> you demonstrate the
> experience of one year 20 times!"
>
> The times that one holds a Magistry is of little
> consequence if what one
> learns about compromise is to Veto a proposal that
> does not meet his
> individual desires, and then isolates himself from
> criticism for so
> doing!
>
> No-one asked for a sob story, and certainly no-one
> asked for a review of
> the Junior Consul's election history. What was
> asked for was statement
> of the reasons for the Veto that he has applied.
> The response that I
> read simply says, " didn't want to take the trouble
> to find a common
> ground, so I vetoed the idea, and went off to feel
> sorry for myself."
> That probably would work in Kindergarten, but will
> not work in an adult
> world.
>
> In my experience here in Nova Roma, I have found
> that there are very few
> citizens that I cannot deal with effectively. While
> some have more
> views in opposition to mine than others that is only
> to be expected.
> However, I find that one of the easiest and most
> agreeable persons that
> I have had the privaledge to work with is the Senior
> Consul Octavius.
> Do we always agree -- No; but we have never not been
> able too reach a
> concurrence pof ideas. When I served as Consul my
> colleague was Q.
> Fabius Maximus, and there were many times when we
> did not agree,
> however, we always managed to reach concurrence on
> the matters before
> us, even if it took a phone call across this
> country. It was never even
> close to necessary to exercise a Veto against the
> other's action. I
> suppose one reason was, because while we sometimes
> disagree, we still
> respect the other's views. My views are often (more
> often than not) in
> concurrence with the majority of those in Nova Roma,
> for whom I have a
> healthy respect. I suppose because most of those
> people have very
> similar standards and principals to mine. However,
> I cannot remember
> the last time that the Junior Consul and I agreed on
> anything. Now
> perhaps that is me and my strange views, but
> somehow, I don't think so.
>
> So, in the final analysis the Junior Consul has
> exercised his Veto, and
> retreated from the possible criticism of his own
> words, by those
> Citizens who have elected him to the position for
> which he reminds us
> all that he has served two terms. In reviewing the
> Magistrate's Oath,
> that action does not seem to be there. However,
> what is there is the
> suggestion that a Consul should stay on the job, and
> work at the
> problem, until some kind of concurrence is reached
> to any given problem.
> Several Senators have done so, why not an elected
> Consul?? Junior
> Consul Sulla has said that it is the Senior Consul's
> fault, and the
> Senior Consul says that it is not. Considering past
> problems of this
> sort, in whom do you place your trust???
>
> Further, the Junior Consul's attempt to accuse
> people of being critical
> of the Gens Cornelia is not only wrong but
> insulting. The Gens Cornelia
> is a healthy, honorable Gens and one in which I have
> several good
> friends. The Gens Cornelia, citizens, has never
> been the target of
> anything save admiration, at least on my part, and
> on the part of those
> with whom I am pleased to stand. The unerring,
> unwavering and deserved
> target has been Junior Consul Sulla, and for many
> very good reasons.
> The Junior Consul is of the opinion that just
> because no-one ca prove
> wrongdoing, that everyone must forget it. It
> doesn't work that way!!!!!
> There is a little thing like integrity, which is
> built from a great many
> small building blocks along the way, having their
> beginnings in the
> Roman Virtues, and for those not in admiration of
> these, the other
> cultural standards of the various regions of the
> world which define
> honor, dignity, and integrity. These will never in
> my world include
> lying, unstable declarations against one's
> institution, and deliberate
> destruction of the ability of those who have placed
> him in a position of
> authority to work out a method of concurrence for a
> given problem or
> situation.
>
> Perhaps Junior Consul Sulla was correct after all to
> seek to hide from
> criticism. His words of explanation reveal to all a
> preference to halt
> all possible avenues of conjecture, and then "Let
> George Do It" when the
> responsibility was most definately his to take carge
> of.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> M. Minucius Audens
>
> A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows
> fast, and fills the
> white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast;
> and bends the
> gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our
> good ship starts and
> flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair
> Winds and following
> Seas!!!
>
>
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: laci magni event |
| From: |
Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org> |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:49:54 -0400 |
|
Prima Fabia, I commend you for that delicious-sounding Roman meal! I
would love to hear more about this event, and perhaps to see pictures
if anyone has any? It is a great pleasure to me to hear of people
gathering to celebrate ancient Rome.
-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Statement of LCS |
| From: |
"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 04:05:08 -0000 |
|
Salvete Cives,
I would like to thank Consul Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix for his
concise statement on why he vetoed the so called "gens reform"
proposal. It is a reasoned statement which criticizes no one
personally, despite extreme provocation, but instead focuses on why
this proposal would be bad for Nova Roma. His explanation about the
importance of gens relations in Nova Roma and of the vitality of our
current system is excellent and should be studied by all interested
in this topic.
I have opposed gens reform in the Senate from the beginning as
completely unnecessary and I completely support Sulla's veto. The
gens reform movement started as something minor, a proposal to allow
people to leave an existing gens--which I initially opposed but later
came to see as reasonable--but it has since grown beyond reasonable
bounds. When those opposed to reform compromised on a point, the
other side came back with more extreme demands; the proverbial give
an inch and they take a mile. Despite the hyperbole the proposal you
have seen is hardly more "historical" than the existing system and
would create undue harm, as Consul Sulla has explained. It is no
wonder Sulla vetoed the law; furthermore, the veto is part of the
checks and balances of our system and his use of it is not an abuse
of his power.
I can understand Sulla's concern that "gens reform" is really about
Gens Cornelia dismantlement, and possibly that is a motivating
factor. Every time the need for reform is mentioned, Gens Cornelia is
mentioned, so naturally he feels it is an attack on Cornelia, which
he has woked so hard to nuture. Also, because Sulla is at the heart
of the oppositon to "reform," opposition tends to focus on him.
This fight has turned personal at times and it does not have to be. I
am friends with Sulla and I am friends with Cassius and with others
on both sides of this debate. I will not let politics interfere with
that, though it often can in Nova Roma--if you let it. I ask those on
both sides not to let it. Do not make opposition to Sulla's veto
opposition to Sulla personally. I am opposed to Cassius' gens reform
proposal, not to Cassius.
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Senator, Consular, Paterfamilias Gens Iunia,
Founding Member of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: not getting mail |
| From: |
Legion XXIV <legionxxiv@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:05:24 -0400 |
|
Test Message received.
We will see if the Digest option kicks in soon.
Thanks
Gallio / George
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: not getting mail
Salve Gallio,
Just sending a test message, see if you get this ok as well as the
board posting.
Quintus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Legion XXIV <legionxxiv@c...> wrote:
>
> And in reverse, I went from individual e-mails to digest
> and I am still getting individual postings.
>
> Is there problem here or with Yahoo?
>
> Gallio Marsallas
> www.legionxxiv.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: asseri@a...
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:53 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] not getting mail
>
>
> Salvette,
>
> I changed my settings yesterday from Digest to individual e-mail
however I
> have yet to get a one. Now I know you good citizens are chatting!
>
> Im not sure who to address this to so I risk the wasted bandwidth
on the main
> list. Please could some one help me who knows what to do?
>
>
> Valette
> Prima Fabia Drusila
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@y...
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Statement of LCS |
| From: |
"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 04:21:50 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
SNIP
>
> The Senators strong personal feelings towards the
> Junior Consul make his advice less than objective.
> Time after time Marcus Minucius has made posts about
> Lucius Cornelius that are strongly cricital, yet I
> can't recall a single post praising the actions of a
> man who has devoted hundreds of hours working for Nova
> Roma. I Invite any citizen who doubts this to peruse
> the archives for Marcus Minicus's earlier posts
> regarding Lucius Cornelius. Once you do you will
> discover why I take anything the Senator posts
> regarding Lucius Cornelius with a large grain of salt.
>
Salve Luci Sicini Druse!
A very good proposal from you, as always, my dear Luci. I would take
this a bit further and introduce a detailed chart of who dislikes
whom in Nova Roma, so we can discount all the postings on this
mainlist accordingly. I would propose to start with your own
dislikings. With this we can then e.g. find out how much you dislike
Senator Audens for instance.
I can not claim copyright to this idea as I take it up from a cue
from our valued Praetrix about one of my own postings and about how
wishful it is to interpret other people's intentions and feelings in
mainlist postings.
Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex
(who, as another gourmet critique of other peoples postings would
recommend, asks to take this one with a small grain of salt)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Voyages of Ulysses and Aeneas |
| From: |
"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 05:06:06 -0000 |
|
Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. The book Dark Ships Ocross
>From Try and the National Geographic back issue sound perfect.
What we need now is a Nova Roma boat to retrace the voyage of Aeneas.
That would be quite an adventure.
Nerva
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 05:47:38 +0000 |
|
Salvete omnes:
I was under the impression that aramaic is an extinct language; so extinct
that nobody knew anything about it. I know that the assyrians claim to
speak it, but assyrian is not aramaic. Is anybody out there who knows
anything about it. It would be interesting to know.
Valete
Galerius Peregrinator.
>From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film
>Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:42:24 +0100 (BST)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From : Franciscus Apulus Caesar <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
> >
> >> Please let us know if the film succeeds in it's goal
> >> to be played *only* in Latin and Aramaic. (I have a
> >> hunch they may add subtitles later.)
> >
>A little ironic as Latin was probably used only in formal military orders.
>The one language everybody would have known is Greek - and that is the one
>not included. It is a thought though that like many modern Europeans, the
>ancients were frequently trilingual and more. Greek and Latin and it is on
>record that because the languages were quite similar, many Romans addressed
>their Gallic slaves in their native tongue.
> Derek Jarman made Sebastian in Latin. About the only thing to make it
>watchable. But that is true of all Jarman's films except for Jubilee.
> I recall oldsters who would lapse into 'kitchen Hindi' and some white
>boys at my school happy to jabber away in kiSwahili if anyone was
>listening. For that matter, I once walked into the family of one of my
>brother's friends, father Spanish, to hear at full blast: Radio in French,
>TV in English, argument between children in English, between husband and
>wife in Norman-French, cursing in Spanish! Much of the Empire must have
>been similar.
>Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis
>
>
>"If I am not for myself, who will be? But if I am only for myself, what am
>I?" - The Rabbi Hillel
>
>
>
>--
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Statement of LCS |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 02:45:41 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@aol.com> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete Quirites,
>
> SNIP
>
> >
> > The Senators strong personal feelings towards the
> > Junior Consul make his advice less than objective.
> > Time after time Marcus Minucius has made posts
> about
> > Lucius Cornelius that are strongly cricital, yet I
> > can't recall a single post praising the actions of
> a
> > man who has devoted hundreds of hours working for
> Nova
> > Roma. I Invite any citizen who doubts this to
> peruse
> > the archives for Marcus Minicus's earlier posts
> > regarding Lucius Cornelius. Once you do you will
> > discover why I take anything the Senator posts
> > regarding Lucius Cornelius with a large grain of
> salt.
> >
>
> Salve Luci Sicini Druse!
>
> A very good proposal from you, as always, my dear
> Luci. I would take
> this a bit further and introduce a detailed chart of
> who dislikes
> whom in Nova Roma, so we can discount all the
> postings on this
> mainlist accordingly. I would propose to start with
> your own
> dislikings. With this we can then e.g. find out how
> much you dislike
> Senator Audens for instance.
>
Anyone is more than welcome to look over my earlier
postings. You'll find that the only person I developed
a personal dislike for was Formosanus.
My feelings about Senator Audens are largely neutral,
though I do consider him to be an honest man who would
never make a mockary of his duties as a Paterfamilis
and a Senator by engaging in skulldugary, like
refusing to cast a vote in the Senate supporting a
member of his Gens in order to create a pretext for a
staged mass resignation.
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: R: appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:02:20 -0000 |
|
Aramaic is not used now, as Arabic has supplanted it. But scholars do
read and understand it. Aramaic versions of the old Hebrew scriptures
called the Targums are used by Bible translators when a Hebrew word or
phrase is unclear. It is not lost to us by any means.
Nerva
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Galerius Peregrinator"
<gaiusgalerius@h...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes:
>
> I was under the impression that aramaic is an extinct language; so
extinct
> that nobody knew anything about it. I know that the assyrians claim to
> speak it, but assyrian is not aramaic. Is anybody out there who knows
> anything about it. It would be interesting to know.
>
> Valete
>
> Galerius Peregrinator.
>
>
>
> >From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@y...
> >To: nova-roma@y...
> >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film
> >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:42:24 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From : Franciscus Apulus Caesar <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
> > >
> > >> Please let us know if the film succeeds in it's goal
> > >> to be played *only* in Latin and Aramaic. (I have a
> > >> hunch they may add subtitles later.)
> > >
> >A little ironic as Latin was probably used only in formal military
orders.
> >The one language everybody would have known is Greek - and that is
the one
> >not included. It is a thought though that like many modern
Europeans, the
> >ancients were frequently trilingual and more. Greek and Latin and
it is on
> >record that because the languages were quite similar, many Romans
addressed
> >their Gallic slaves in their native tongue.
> > Derek Jarman made Sebastian in Latin. About the only thing to
make it
> >watchable. But that is true of all Jarman's films except for Jubilee.
> > I recall oldsters who would lapse into 'kitchen Hindi' and some
white
> >boys at my school happy to jabber away in kiSwahili if anyone was
> >listening. For that matter, I once walked into the family of one of my
> >brother's friends, father Spanish, to hear at full blast: Radio in
French,
> >TV in English, argument between children in English, between
husband and
> >wife in Norman-French, cursing in Spanish! Much of the Empire must
have
> >been similar.
> >Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis
> >
> >
> >"If I am not for myself, who will be? But if I am only for myself,
what am
> >I?" - The Rabbi Hillel
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Personalised email by http://another.com
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: laci magni event |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT) |
|
We took many pictures of the event. I have yet to download mine, but once that is completed, I will have them uploaded to the Lacus Magni webpage. I will let everyone know when that happens.
Also, to everyone attending the event: if you have any good pictures you took and wish them placed on the website, please e-mail them to me and I will make sure they get uploaded.
Thanks
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
imperialreign@yahoo.com
Patricia Cassia
wrote:Prima Fabia, I commend you for that delicious-sounding Roman meal! I
would love to hear more about this event, and perhaps to see pictures
if anyone has any? It is a great pleasure to me to hear of people
gathering to celebrate ancient Rome.
-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] STATEMENT FROM LCS |
| From: |
"MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS" <MLCRASSVS@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:38:23 -0000 |
|
MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS CONSVLI LVCIO CORNELIO SULLAE FELICLI S.P.D.
AVE,
Honoured Consul, like other CIVES, I wish to extend my sincere
gratitude, as a simple citizen, for your public statement on this
very important matter. In so doing you have accede to the will of
the people at a time when it was difficult to do so.
The swiftness and detail of your reply is also greatly appreciated by
myself. You have given your reasons, and I find your statement to be
reasonable, reasoned and in no way dishonourable. While I still
reserve the right to respectfully disagree with you, I do respect an
opposing view and , at least, understand some of your concerns.
I have to tell you, I see no *evidence* for a Cassian conspiracy,
and, if you have evidence of such, I would respectfully suggest
Consul that you should make it known. However, that said, neither do
I see any *evidence* of dishonourable intent on your part and until
such evidence can be produced in public and in a Roman court of law -
I will maintain the view id est that a man - any man - is innocent
until proven guilty. Your DIGNITAS Consul, in my view, is intact.
One part of your public statement does concern me, and that is that
you have determined not to stand for public office again. I would
earnestly ask you to reconsider, to retire from public life would be
a loss for RES PVBLICA particularly given your political experience.
I know that you feel that you have been personally villified in this
debate, but so too, no doubt, do others. Unfortunately, such is the
stuff of politics, the Urbs is no different - one will always get,
wrong though it may be, a certain degree of rumour, supposition,
theory, charge and counter-charge in any society. In ROMA ANTIQVA
exempli gratia the BASILICA IULIA did a thriving business in civil
cases. All one can ask is that when legitimately airing or advancing
views/ arguments , that we all measure our words carefully.
VALE
M.CALIDIVS GRACCHVS
CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE
TVVS IN SODOLICIO RES PVBLICA ROMANAE
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Of interest to cooks |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:41:08 -0000 |
|
Saw this and thought I would pass it on to interested parties:
Frank Frost. Sausage and meat preservation in antiquity. (Critical
Essay) in Greek, Roman, and Byzantine Studies, Autumn 1999 v40 i3
p241(12)
Abstract: Several ancient Greek and Roman authors describe sausage
making and other forms of meat preservation. Cured hams and sausages
are mentioned in ancient literature, although precise methods for
their preparation are not given, and almost certainly formed a
significant part of ancient diets
Sorry but I could not get a text file so you will have to find it for
yourselves.
Lucia Sallustia Albania
(citizenship pending)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] New Citizen |
| From: |
"markginjax" <markginjax@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:17:53 -0000 |
|
Greetings!
I am new here and thought I would introduce myself.
My latin name is Marcus Africanus Secundus. I am very
interested in all things roman and bysentine.( I am also a very
poor speller)
Marcus Africanus Secundus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Academic approach, discussion 3 |
| From: |
Vestinia Caprenia <optia_vesta@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:56:35 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> wrote:
> we could be the impetus for Roman performances in
> Drama departments, or historical discussion in
> Film/Women's/Religious studies? Ideas can abound
> here!
I know that the girls groups I've spoken with were as fascinated by
the Vestals as I was!
Vestinia Caprenia
=====
"They sell soapboxes and high horses at 'Spiels R Us.'
Look in the Ethics section, the brandname is 'Impressive.'"
-- CASEY MAREE BARRETT, Ironrose List
Optia Vesta Antonia Aurelia
Defensatrix Glyn Dwfn, Defensatrix Beldenia
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Testing a new address |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:35:58 -0400 |
|
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 03:06:25PM -0700, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
Salve, my friend G. Marinus; salvete, omnes.
> I've created this Yahoo account for use with the NR
> lists. I'm also still reachable at my usual e-mail
> address ( gawne at cesmail dot net ). This is simply
> a test to see if this post is accepted by whatever
> Powers that lurk within the bowels of Yahoo.
This current mess with Yahoo, as well as my previous (rife with endless
problems) experiences with them have given me an idea - or at least have
given me a push to make this offer.
I'm not familiar with the actual physical plant that is used to host the
NR website, but I believe I saw someone on this list - Marcus Octavius
Germanicus, if I recall correctly - mention that they have such a beast
under their control. This implies a full-time and (hopefully) reliable
network connection.
My offer consists of the following: if whoever it is that runs the place
is willing to add a cheap machine (even a 486DX100 with, say, 64MB of
RAM - something that's considered a throwaway by many people these days)
with a basic Linux install on it and give me SSH access, I'll happily
set up Mailman or some other type of list software on it. Admittedly,
the disk space requirements will grow over time... but given that a
120GB drive goes for about $120 at cnet.com, this is a fairly small
issue. This would free us from Yahoo's daily freak-outs, crashes, and
"service outages". <shrug> The few dollars that it would take sounds
like a reasonable draw on the NR coffers, to me, since it's intended to
improve the very core of what makes NR work.
As for my qualifications, I'm a long-time Contributing Editor at the
LinuxGazette, a member of its Answer Gang (as well as the FAQ and
Knowledge Base maintainer), a network, programming, and security
instructor for Sun Microsystems, and an Alpha Geek of 20+ years
standing.
Does this idea sound like a win, or am I missing some critical piece of
info that would make this impossible?
Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit.
No fort is so strong that it cannot be taken with money.
-- Cicero, "In Verrem"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: laci magni event and a fun website |
| From: |
asseri@aol.com |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:52:32 EDT |
|
In a message dated 10/2/02 7:20:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:
> It is a great pleasure to me to hear of people
> gathering to celebrate ancient Rome.
>
> -----
> Patricia Cassia
> Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
> Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org
>
>
Thank you! I always enjoy cooking for others and getting to see their faces.
Most of them even tasted the sardines! they were very brave (lol).
I so agree that is a great deal of fun to hear of the others gatherings! .
Winter raises her cold palla soon and will keep so many of us close to our
estates.
I spent a lot of time at this website yesterday . It has a large cooking
section and while its not documented and I do question some of the bread
recipes, It makes a decent suppliment to better books and sites . I thought
the over all tone of the site to be a fun exploration.
<A HREF="http://www.romans-in-britain.org.uk/ind_title_page.htm">The Romans in Britain - Title page</A>
http://www.romans-in-britain.org.uk/ind_title_page.htm
In service
Prima Fabia Drusila
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: New Citizen |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:53:39 -0000 |
|
Salve Marce!
Welcome to Nova Roma. Its more important that you are here than how
well you can spell. Have a great time here on the main list and why
not look through the sodalistas (special interest) groups? There is
evrything here from weaponry and costumes to cooking and rhetoric. If
you have any questions, post them to this list and you shall have
answers quic enough. Don't be shy; the only stupid questions are the
ones that are not asked. Enjoy.
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis (Scribe for Roman North
Africa)
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "markginjax" <markginjax@y...> wrote:
> Greetings!
>
>
> I am new here and thought I would introduce myself.
> My latin name is Marcus Africanus Secundus. I am very
> interested in all things roman and bysentine.( I am also a very
> poor speller)
>
>
> Marcus Africanus Secundus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Statement of LSD |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:59:44 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Master Drusus;
I thank you for your kind words in regard to my posts to this list.
However, I would remind you of what I have said to many others here,
that I do NOT give advice. I simply air my views as is my right to do
on this list. They are my views only and not cast in concrete. The
views of others may well differ. That is up to the citizens of Nova
Roma to determine.
I am amused that a gentleman of your perception would advance such an
opinion as you have predicated about Junior Consul Sulla, as fact, when
you have never met me, and do not know me except as the person who left
a Weblist because of your attack on a good friend and your unacceptable
(to me) language.
I do not now, nor have I ever harbored a personal dislike for Junior
Consul Sulla. Such would be an impossibility, since I do not know the
man. You make the same mistake made by Senator Maximus in that
assumption and you are incorrect, just as he was.
However, it can be said that I do not care for people in high office who
lie, desert thier post in times of stress, or whose words and actions on
this list, and on others indicate a definate instability. These are the
items which I have mentioned in regard to Junior Consul Sulla and they
are a matter of record.
I have dscussed this matter in great detail with both Junior Consul
Sulla in personal, correspondence which apparently has had no effect or
meaning, and also with friends and colleagues of his, who hold the same
general views that I do.
I do NOT now nor will I in the forseeable future desire Consul Sulla to
resign his Citizenship,
(even though at one time he did so, while ridiculing the very
micronation which you claim that he works so hard for).
I sincerely hope that the poor man, is finally able to find what he so
apparently, deperately and eagerly seeks, that he may find rest from his
past indicated problems. Should I meet the man face-to-face I shall be
pleased to make my own determination of him, without the assistance of
those opinionated and critical outside observers, like yourself who
purport your views to be fact, instead of the products of your
imagination.
While it is true, that Junior Consul Sulla has several activities and
actions to his credit, that I normally do not approve of, or associate
with, it is exactly the record of his hard work, and past support (with
a few serious lapses) that would allow me to meet with him on something
like a level playing field.
As my colleague, Senator Maximus, has indicated on more than one
occasion," he understood the necessties and responsibilities of the job
when he undertook such." This when I have tried in the past to reward
some individual for good work by praise or reward. Since Junior Consul
Sulla is such a extremely close colleague of Senator Maximus, and is
apparently the supporter of most of his views and has allowed Senator
Maximus to speak for him in the past, I naturally assumed that he felt
the same way in regard to praise for those efforts which merit such.
However, if I am mistaken in my suppositions, should Junior Consul Sulla
appraise me of that fact I should be more than pleased to praise him for
his efforts in any activity in the future which, in my view, merits my
recognition.
I am informed that he is an ill man, who has in the past or presently is
on drugs which change one's views or can lead to an alteration of such
temporarily. I have over my lifetime been subjected also to such drugs
for specific purposes under a Doctor's care and prescription. However,
when so involved, I have notified all interesed that I am temprarily
unavailable, and certainly I have had the common sense to stay off the
internet when my faculties might be so confused as to ridicule the
institution for which I have labored so long for.
As I have indicated, the Veto is a tool. I have used it, and to good
purpose, but never to obstruct the vote of another Senator / Magistrate.
Consul Sulla has the right to do so as well. That I fully acknowledge.
However, his manner of doing so, his inability or determination not to
try to reach a concurrance with a reasonable personage such as his
colleague, and block the views and determinations of the remainder of
the Senate are in my view criminal.
In closing, I thank you for the opportunity to once again bring before
the citizens of Nova Roma, some of the problems that I see in the
Consular actions of Junior Consul Sulla, and some of the problems
relating thereto. The items that I have mentioned on this list in
regard to Junior Consul Sulla are a matter of fact, and not of a fevered
imagination. My comments were directed to the Citizens of Nova Roma,
which in my humble view, are certainly wise enough to make thier own
determinations without the help of one who has only opinions and no
facts to offer.
The lapses of Junior Consul Sulla in a Citizen of Nova Roma were bad
enough, but other citizens have done worse. Those lapses in a
Magistrate, in violation of his Oath to do the best for Nova Roma, are
to me unacceptable. Those lapses as a Senior Magistrate, are worse than
unacceptable, and deserve, again in my view, the open discussion of them
on this Main List.
I do not wish to be harsh with you since you are not a Senator or a
Senior Magistrate, and therefore have little idea of what is involved in
those responsibilities, except possibly what your friend Sulla has
confided in you. As you have indicated in your unique way on this
topic, the information that you provide should perhaps be identified as
your view rather than purported to be fact, and not having all the facts
at your command, I would caution you in your suppositions, which to
date, on this topic have been totally wrong and strictly one-sided.
Marcus Minucius Audens
A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] New Citizen |
| From: |
"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:13:10 -0500 |
|
Ave Secundus,
Welcome to Nova Roma. I hope you will find it interesting and rewarding.
Don't worry about your spelling, we are in the process of forming a poor
speller Sodalitas. Besides, that's why God created spell checkers.
Vale,
T. Cornelius Crispus
----- Original Message -----
From: "markginjax" <markginjax@yahoo.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New Citizen
> Greetings!
>
>
> I am new here and thought I would introduce myself.
> My latin name is Marcus Africanus Secundus. I am very
> interested in all things roman and bysentine.( I am also a very
> poor speller)
>
>
> Marcus Africanus Secundus
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Aramaic |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:24:19 -0400 (EDT) |
|
In regard to the above topic, I believe the Coptic Monks speak and teach
this language. I know thatbcertain of them as Master Nerva has
indicated research extensively in existing archives which are written in
this language.
It is a supposition that such is the language that Jesus of Nazereth
spoke in to his followers, and to his close associates and his family.
Considering the numerous languages which were extent in this period and
in this region, such a supposition is not entirely impossible.
Respectfully;
M. Minucius Audens
A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Testing a new address |
| From: |
"Rachel Tisdale" <theladysabine@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:31:08 -0400 |
|
...Something to save us from being terrorised? Protection against the
Ostrogoths of the Internet?
I know almost nothing about computers, and it makes a wee bit of sense to
me. But I'm still new here, so what do I know about the fine mechanics of NR
quite yet? Non multas.
valete
h minucia caesar
nova britannia
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Personalities vs Politics |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:08:23 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Citizens of Nova Roma;
Senator Palladius is certainly correct in his views, as I see them. The
ability to separate personalities from politics is always a dfficult
task. This difficult task becomes even more difficult when a trusted
Magistrate demonstrates personallity traits which are damaging to those
who have placed him in his position and to the institution for which he
or she purports to labor.
A Magistrate may have his personal views, but when those views or
happenstance are demonstrated on this Main List or at an official Nova
Roma get-together, event or activity, the effect that such an action or
statement has on the population of the institution which is the
recipient of that action is injured or strengthened as the case may be
by the simple fact that the person holds the position of a Magistrate.
In short, a Magistrate's impact by what he does and says is magnified by
the lofty position that he occupies. This is generally realized and
understood by those who take on such resposibilities, but in some cases
the individuals must be reminded. This should in my viewbe undertaken
privately at first, and when that means has been thoriughly exhausted if
no improvement is indicated then the comments taken public.
Friendship with an individual is a personal matter also, and the
beginning and maturation of a friendship is dependent solely upon those
attributes of each individul entering into that relationship and what
they find in the other as important. Outside influences and personages
only threaten such a delicate balance with thier exhortations of
half-truth and incomplete knowledge.
To separate friendship from politics is often very difficult, since
political, religious, and social views are very important in a
friendship relation. However, it is not impossible to have a friend who
is a Catholic or Pagan while you are a Protestant. It is not impossible
to associate with a native of Spain if you are a native of the U.S. if
your willingness to accept the differences are outwieghed by your
admiration of the individual. Likewise, it is quite possible to
separate the political views and actions of an individual from the other
considerations. It is more difficult to separate Social problems which
are normally considered to be unacceptable from a personage, but again
not impossible if those engaging in this effort have other attributes
which may outwiegh those problems, such as service to others, education,
and various other expressions of social concern. But again, this
relationship may well be threatened by outside influences for good or
ill. I see this as particularly true in the paradigm of internet
exchange, when we are often over a long period of time deprived of
face-to-face contact, and in which we are confronted only by the
assurances of others.
Therefore, I would hope that those who are engaged, in the "I suppose,
the I think as opposed to the I know" would at least consider what
Senator Palladius has said and provide the chance for those who can
separate political views from personal views to the extent of thier
ability, an even chance to do so.
For my part, there is no one on this Main List whom I dislike
personally. Those whom I have had the good fortune to meet
face-to-face, to a man (or woman), have been people with whom I can
interact with little or no friction. This does not mean that I agree
with everything that they say or do, any more than it means that they
agree with me to that extent. There are those on this Main List that I
consider to be good webfriends, and some who are personages that are
hard for me to understand and evaluate, but I have to my knowledge no
personal enemies. There are those whom I have in the past taken to
task, as there are those who have taken me to task as well. As long as
I hold the position of a Nova Roma Senator , I shall be pleased to
continue such activities if I feel that such activities are of benefit
to Nova Roma, her citizens, the Senate and the magistrates of this
Republic.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Testing a new address |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:15:31 -0000 |
|
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@y...> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 03:06:25PM -0700, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
wrote:
>
> Salve, my friend G. Marinus; salvete, omnes.
Salve, Scaevola! (Fancy seeing you here.)
It's a generous offer you make, and one that I think would benefit
communications greatly. I will also endorse your qualifications to
undertake the venture. You do indeed know what you're doing when it
comes to networks, servers, and the curious ways of the net.gods.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: New Citizen |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:26:46 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "markginjax" <markginjax@y...> wrote:
> Greetings!
>
>
> I am new here and thought I would introduce myself.
> My latin name is Marcus Africanus Secundus. I am very
> interested in all things roman and bysentine.( I am also a very
> poor speller)
>
>
> Marcus Africanus Secundus
Salve,
Welcome to Nova Roma, Marcus Africanus Secundus. We all have our
strengths and weaknesses. I promise to not ask you to spell if you
promise to never ask me to demonstrate my dancing ability (or rather
the lack) <GRIN>.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Statement of LCS |
| From: |
"Proculus Postumius Nero" <postumius@gmx.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:46:22 -0400 |
|
Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus Scriba Quiritibus S.P.D.
Salvete,
It has occured to me that, through a means not here disclosed, the words of
my previous posting were perhaps understood to be of illness toward the
Consul Sulla. I would like to here apologize for this perception. It was not
my intention to attack Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. Rather, I was showing
my dislike for the opinion of Sulla, and not for the man himself. I have for
the Consul nothing but the respect due a consul, a man, and for the calmness
and dignity with which he conducts his affairs. That does not, however,
remove my emotions toward his veto on the matter lain herein. I still oppose
the veto, however, I do not, and could not, oppose the man behind the veto,
because were that the case, I would not only be opposing the man, but also
the office to which he has been elected and serves faithfully.
Optime Vale in Pace Deorum,
Proculus Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus, Scriba
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] De Absentia L. Armini Fausti |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:50:21 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete cives,
<ENGLISH>
De Absentia L. Armini Fausti
Due to very good professional changes (new job, YEAH!!! Queen Minerva smiled me this week!), I will be a little bit away of NR lists this month ahead, but be not worried, I´m still alive and expect to serve the Res Publica on the best of my (now very small... snif) time!
But when I pass the ´adaptation period´ I sure will get back to the hard work!
<PORTUGUÊS>
Da Ausencia de L. Arminius Faustus
Devido a mudanças profissionais muito boas (um novo emprego, A Rainha Minerva me sorriu esta semana!) eu estarei um pouco de fora das listas de NR este próximo mês - mas não se preocupem, ainda estou vivo e espero servir a Republica no melhor do meu (agora pouco) tempo!
Mas quando passar o ´período de adaptação´ tenho certeza que voltarei ao trabalho duro. Aliás, só para os brasileiros, dêem uma olhada no rascunho de nossa nova página provincial em: http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/nrbrasil/index.html e também visitem e prestigiem nosso Templo Virtual em http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/aedes/aedes.html
Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
Se de ócio estou, divirto-me escrevendo,
Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...
Satira Quarta, Horácio
---------------------------------
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Tudo para criar o seu site: ferramentas fáceis de usar, espaço de sobra e acessórios.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Statement of LSD et Response of MMA |
| From: |
"Proculus Postumius Nero" <postumius@gmx.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:08:30 -0400 |
|
Proculus Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus Quiritibus Salutem Plurimam
Dixit
Salvete,
I have read the response of the Senator Marcus Minucius Audens, and, as a
citizen, I feel myself compelled to say that which follows. The Senator
states thus: "I am informed that he is an ill man, who has in the past or
presently is on drugs which change one's views or can lead to an alteration
of such temporarily. I have over my lifetime been subjected also to such
drugs for specific purposes under a Doctor's care and prescription.
However, when so involved, I have notified all interesed that I am
temprarily unavailable, and certainly I have had the common sense to stay
off the internet when my faculties might be so confused as to ridicule the
institution for which I have labored so long for."
I must say that I cannot and do not feel this to be a statement which the
Senator is justified in making, however true it may be, which I do not know
one way or the other. I feel that this violates, if nothing else, the
privacy of Consul Sulla, the integrity of a Proconsular Senator, and that of
a Nova Roman Citizen.
As much as I respect the opinion of the Proconsul and his wisdom as well, I
cannot accept his personal attacks of the Consul or any man whom he even
goes so far as to assert not to know on a personal level. I would submit,
with that in mind, that the Proconsular Senator has first denied himself the
right to do so, then taken the right hypocritically. And this, citizens, I
cannot tolerate.
Just as well, as much as I may dislike the opinion of the Junior Consul, I
cannot but accept his right to privacy and his election to office, and his
performance of the duties of his office, so long as they do not violate the
legislation of Nova Roma in effect. In what he has done, he has not violated
such legislation.
Furthermore, the Senator, in another paragraph, brings it forth that he
dislikes the actions of the Consul. However, in what I have read of his
oratory, he has been attacking the person and not the actions. And should I
be guilty of the same, I here apologize, I intend to object to the actions,
and not the person, whom I know not on such a level which may warrant such.
Therefore, as I close this, I would like to publicly request, as a citizen
and constituent of Nova Roma, an apology of the Proconsular Senator to not
myself, but to the Senate and the People of Nova Roma, and to the Consul
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix on the matter I previously stated.
I do not wish to be out of line in requesting such, and should I be
determined to be so, I should request someone to state thus, such that I may
retreat again to my rightful place.
Optime Valete in Pace Sui Aeterna
Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus
--
Retiarius Lacuum Magnorum
Scriba Curatoris Araneae
Discipolus Anno Tertio Linguae Latinae
Civis Lacuum Magnorum Provinciae
Civis Patriae Novae Romae, Optima Maxima
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" -- Q. Horati Flacci
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:52:46 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Gaius Galerius Peregrinator <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
>
>I was under the impression that aramaic is an extinct language; so extinct
>that nobody knew anything about it. I know that the assyrians claim to
>speak it, but assyrian is not aramaic. Is anybody out there who knows
>
Assyrians? If there's any alive after 2,500 years, Saddam has proabably gassed them (or he might be one - certainly has their cultural characteristics). I understand that Aramaic is used in Syrian Orthodox liturgy, much as Latin was for the Roman Catholic. I have also heard this called Syriac. Whether they are the same or some confusion is going on I don't know. It was a major language, the Greek of Asia before Greek so to speak but seems to have left no great marks behind. Possibly, since so much of its area is Muslim, similarities with Arabic were close enough for Aramaic survivals to be regarded as dialect Arabic.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
--
Personalised email by http://another.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:56:58 -0700 |
|
Ave,
Please feel free to check out the following websites for this subject:
http://www.nineveh.com/whoarewe.htm
http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film
-----Original Message-----
From : Gaius Galerius Peregrinator <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
>
>I was under the impression that aramaic is an extinct language; so extinct
>that nobody knew anything about it. I know that the assyrians claim to
>speak it, but assyrian is not aramaic. Is anybody out there who knows
>
Assyrians? If there's any alive after 2,500 years, Saddam has proabably gassed them (or he might be one - certainly has their cultural characteristics). I understand that Aramaic is used in Syrian Orthodox liturgy, much as Latin was for the Roman Catholic. I have also heard this called Syriac. Whether they are the same or some confusion is going on I don't know. It was a major language, the Greek of Asia before Greek so to speak but seems to have left no great marks behind. Possibly, since so much of its area is Muslim, similarities with Arabic were close enough for Aramaic survivals to be regarded as dialect Arabic.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
--
Personalised email by http://another.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: R: appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:06:27 -0000 |
|
Salvete Senator Corneli et omnes,
Thank you for the 2 interesting sites Senator. You can take an online
course in the Assyrian - Aramaic language. Please check out this
site, it looks really good. The language ain't going nowhere toward
extinction from the look of things.
Regards - Quintus Lanius Paulinus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Please feel free to check out the following websites for this
subject:
>
> http://www.nineveh.com/whoarewe.htm
>
> http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
> To: nova-roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] R: appearance in roman film
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From : Gaius Galerius Peregrinator <gaiusgalerius@h...>
> >
> >I was under the impression that aramaic is an extinct language;
so extinct
> >that nobody knew anything about it. I know that the assyrians
claim to
> >speak it, but assyrian is not aramaic. Is anybody out there who
knows
> >
> Assyrians? If there's any alive after 2,500 years, Saddam has
proabably gassed them (or he might be one - certainly has their
cultural characteristics). I understand that Aramaic is used in
Syrian Orthodox liturgy, much as Latin was for the Roman Catholic. I
have also heard this called Syriac. Whether they are the same or some
confusion is going on I don't know. It was a major language, the
Greek of Asia before Greek so to speak but seems to have left no
great marks behind. Possibly, since so much of its area is Muslim,
similarities with Arabic were close enough for Aramaic survivals to
be regarded as dialect Arabic.
> Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
>
>
> --
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>
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>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: R: appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:08:54 -0000 |
|
Ho hum - I forgot to post the language site. Going for a wake up
coffee!
There she be!
http://members.aol.com/assyrianme/aramaic/aramaic.html
Quintus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: R: appearance in roman film |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:12:21 -0700 |
|
Ave,
Thanks for the link, I will check it out. I am currently having a difficult time learning Hebrew with my tutor. <g>
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:08 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: R: appearance in roman film
Ho hum - I forgot to post the language site. Going for a wake up
coffee!
There she be!
http://members.aol.com/assyrianme/aramaic/aramaic.html
Quintus
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