| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Dance in Rome |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:44:59 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Marcus Africanus Secundus" <markginjax@y...>
wrote:
> Thank you so very much.
> Speaking of dancing did the ancient romans dance, I had heard
> they did not like actors much, but were there roman dances?
>
> Marcus Africanus Secundus
Dancing did occur in conjunction with theatre, I understand. Plus I
have come across a reference to a gladiator who had been trained to
both sing and dance:
Classical Antiquity, April 1996 v15 n1 p113(39)
The ideology of the arena. (Rome's arena) Erik Gunderson.
[I've got a text copy of this. Email me if you want it]
Romans liked actors, in so far as they were entertaining but not of
the same social sphere. Dancing women and prostitution had a tendency
to go hand and hand (this is true of medieval and renaissance Europe
and the "middle east")
There's an interesting essay on a mime by the name of Lycoris in:
Roman women / edited and with a new introduction by Augusto
Fraschetti ; translated by Linda Lappin. Chicago : University of
Chicago Press, 2001.
By the by, if you are interested in Vestals, matrons, and women in
politics this is a MUST READ.
Lucia Sallusta Albania
(citizenship pending)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Survey of CitizenTalents |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:49:37 -0000 |
|
--- In response to Tiberius Galerius"Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> :
Salve !
_Curriculum Vitae Sallustae_
EDUCATION
4 years Latin, High School
1985-1989
B.A. Classical Civilization & History
(Women's Studies, minor)
University of Toronto, 1993
PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND
School Registrar, The Dragon Academy
(www.dragonacademy.org)
Present
Library Technician
-National Ballet School,2001-2002
-Toronto Public Library,1994-1999
Records Manager
-various (part-time), 1989-present
ARTS/HISTORICAL RE-CREATION
Freelance writer/reviewer, 1994-present
Dance instructor, 1998-present
Vocalist/musician, 1976-present
Speaker/lecturer/workshop leader, 1993-present
Member of Society for Creative Anachronism (active,1989-1998)
RESEARCH
Private scholar
Main Areas of study include:
Black History (Europe/Asia/Americas 600-1650)
Women's History (Renaissance Italy, Islamic world 600-1650)
Queer Studies (Renaissance Europe, Islamic world 600-1750)
History of Prostitution (Renaissance Italy and United Kingdom,
Ancient world)
have done research for film and print
RELIGION
Roman Catholic from baptism to 1991
Pagan 1991-present
-attended Wiccan Church of Canada semi-regularly from 1991-2000
CURRENT FOCUS
[me? focused?]
Main interests of import to Nova Roma:
Household religious practice of women (and slaves). Looking further
study/practice as a Vestal or Flamina within Nova Roma (2-5year from
now).
----------------
Lucia Sallusta Albania
(citizenship pending)
www.kmaitland.ca
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Voyages of Ulysses and Aeneas |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:10:05 -0000 |
|
In 1989, when I was 19 years old, I got the opportunity to visit Lake
Avernus and the reputed caves of the Sybil. I was not Pagan yet, but
I could feel the presence of the early Christians who had hid out
there.
But the mythical Sybil (in some incarnation) made herself known to me
too. I could not resist singing in the caves. Being still a Roman
Catholic, I sang O Santissima. But somehow, looking back, I think my
choice was appropriate.
Lucia Sallusta Albania
(citizenship pending)
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. The book Dark Ships
Ocross
> From Try and the National Geographic back issue sound perfect.
>
> What we need now is a Nova Roma boat to retrace the voyage of
Aeneas.
> That would be quite an adventure.
>
> Nerva
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in Nova Roma |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:01:22 -0000 |
|
Accustomed to being a statistic, I'm curious if there were
others "like me" in Nova Roma(a euphemism to be sure as there is no
one like me *grin*).
One of five (approx.) Black members in the Kingdom of Ealdormere
(SCA,Ontario-Canada chapter) - and the only woman.
Lucia Sallusta Albania
(citizenship pending)
a.k.a Inez Rosanera de Rusconi
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] African Blacks, Americans |
| From: |
"mjk" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:52:43 -0600 |
|
Salve again Lucia,
Thanks for your input into the message board for today was one of our slower days. I am sure the gods of Rome will chastise anyone here who accuses you of being shy! (grin)
I haven't heard anyone here mention anything about their racial background yet. Not very many NR's have posted their photos in the Album civium or yahoo profiles so who knows? We are expanding into North Africa and would love to have more members from Sub Saharan Africa as well as the Carribian, South America etc. It could be that you are very unique here Lucia. If your also involved with others from the Afro-American community, please encourage them to join NR; unless, of course, you relish your uniqeness (grin)
Best regards,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Scriba Praefecti
AFRICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
http://www.geocities.com/africa_septentrionalis/index.html
PAX ROMANA
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 196 |
| From: |
Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@welho.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:01:13 +0300 |
|
Salvete omnes
Even though some other colour is trying convince otherwise, one thing
is obvious:
PRAESINA IS _THE_ WINNING FACTIO !!!
Look at the points table from Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus website and see for yourself what is the best Factio to
join in. I'm sure you will make the right decision and be on the
winners side!
So every new and old Green ones: SIGN UP TODAY!
Valete,
>Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:37:14 +0200
> From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms>
>Subject: Re:
>
>Salve,
>
>this time we will win!!
--
Caius Curius Saturninus
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Concursus
e-mail: c.curius@welho.com
www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Genius__Augusti_missing_in_the_calendar?= |
| From: |
"=?utf-8?Q?sa-mann@libero.it?=" <sa-mann@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:13:10 +0200 |
|
Cives spectati omnes
On the ground that a few posts have been issued concerning Divus
Augustus I would like to point out if I may, that tomorrow IV Idus Oct
is the day for celebrating the GENIVS AVGVSTI, Augustalia.
While inviting everybody to do so, if so pleases them, I would like to
note that the Calendar in our site does not bear the mention of it. I
don't know who's entitled to do so but I suggest to add it to the
festivities there contained. Or there is a special reason for avoiding
it?
Purimas gratias ago vobis
Gallus Solaris Alexander
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Minorities in NR and Serapio's proposal |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:46:20 +0200 |
|
Roman BriefpapierSalvete,
By the way, I am back from a 2 month absentia do to moving house, work
committments and Pagan
committments. Did anyone notice? :-(((
Unfortunately, in this world of numbers, we are all statistics,
everywhere.... But we are also individuals.
Like old Rome, Nova Roma is made up of all kinds of different people, each
bringing their own gifts (and flaws :-) to the group!
I think that Nova Romans with real Roman blood flowing through their veins
are the real minority here :-))) So don't worry about being a 'so-called'
minority-- that is just a way for the macronational governments to box us
all into categories.
Serapio's proposal: As usual, our Serapio has a great idea. Certainly, there
are a few bankers amongst us, a few writers, and those handy with organizing
things.
Greetings from Belgica,
Diana Appolonia (Moravia) Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dis_Manibus_Iulio_Caesari_Germanico?= |
| From: |
"=?utf-8?Q?sa-mann@libero.it?=" <sa-mann@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:21:14 +0200 |
|
DIS MANIBVS IVLIO CAESARI GERMANICO
I would like to remind everybody that today V Id Oct in the year
DCCLXXII died Iulius Caesar Germanicus the great governor and general,
avenger of Quintilius Varo and humble to the point of refusing to
become emperor after Augustus death.
Let us remember him among the great souls of the Elysii.
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Unwanted mail |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:39:32 -0400 |
|
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:38:19AM +0200, Kristoffer From wrote:
> Gaius Galerius Peregrinator wrote:
> > I've been using hotmail for awhile, now, and I am very
> > happy with them. Hotmail scans all incoming and outgoing
> > e-mails for viruses and spam. That's what it says under
> > "frequently asked questions", anyway. Check them out,
> > you may like them.
>
> Salve, Galeri Peregrinator.
>
> A few years back, I registered my first e-mail ever with hotmail,
> introduced to them by a friend during my first year in high-school. Two
> years later, after using my mail for private letters only, and no more
> than once a month at that, I abandoned that account due to excessive
> spam. They may, of course, have improved since, though I much doubt it,
> but back then, I'm pretty sure they either made available or sold their
> customers' e-mail addies to spammers.
Salvete, Titus Octavius Pius et omnes:
Please note that many sites block *all* mail from Hotmail due to the
very high percentage of spam coming from them. Hotmail is a spammer
haven, almost exclusively due to their setup process; a simple script
will create as many accounts as you wish. This allows spammers to violate
Hotmail's Terms of Service in whatever way they want - dropping the old
account and creating a new one is trivial.
Micr*s*ft knows about this, and has not changed the signup policy in the
many years that it's been a problem. Despite the fact that they have
implemented the MAPS RBL (Realtime BlackList), their own spam content
has not decreased and has only grown.
In addition to this, many spammers fake their headers to show that their
mail comes from Hotmail, which does not help matters at all.
In short, I would recommend against using it if you're looking to
decrease your spam count.
Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Videant consules ne quid detrimenti capiat respublica.
May the consuls see to that no damage comes to the state.
-- Phrase that gave the Roman consuls absolute power when the state was
in a severe crisis. Quoted by Cicero in "In Catilinam".
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Testing a new address |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:25:47 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salve Cai Minuci Scaevola,
> I'm not familiar with the actual physical plant that is used to host the
> NR website, but I believe I saw someone on this list - Marcus Octavius
> Germanicus, if I recall correctly - mention that they have such a beast
> under their control. This implies a full-time and (hopefully) reliable
> network connection.
I pay for each "rack unit" allocated to me in a cabinet that I share
with three other local geeks/consultants. A rack unit is about 1.75
inches tall by nineteen inches wide; each of the two servers I have
there now takes up two rack units. (For those unfamiliar with
rack-mount hardware: imagine two "pizza boxes" stacked on top of
each other - that's the basic shape and size of one server).
> My offer consists of the following: if whoever it is that runs the place
> is willing to add a cheap machine (even a 486DX100 with, say, 64MB of
> RAM - something that's considered a throwaway by many people these days)
Thanks, but it wouldn't be cost-effective to add another machine,
especially an older, non-rackmountable one. If it became necessary,
I'd have to install the list software on one of the two boxes that
are there now.
We looked at Mailman some time ago (when the original list was
improperly shut down). It didn't seem as featureful as Yahoo,
though perhaps this will change in the future.
Right now, I think switching from Yahoo would be a step backward;
I have not yet seen any list manager with as nice an interface
for users or moderators. The problems that some people are having
right now are likely temporary, and are the result of the upgrades
that Yahoo is doing.
Many other Yahoo lists, where new users are not on moderated status,
were suffering from a great deal of spam a few weeks ago - several
times a day, formerly-unknown addresses with usernames that were
a senseless jumble of letters would post messages with
subjects of "new pictures" or "ch3ck this site out", with the
message body being the URL of site that contained nothing but
pop-up advertisements. Those have completely vanished in the last
few days - Yahoo must be doing something right.
> As for my qualifications, I'm a long-time Contributing Editor at the
> LinuxGazette, a member of its Answer Gang (as well as the FAQ and
> Knowledge Base maintainer), a network, programming, and security
> instructor for Sun Microsystems, and an Alpha Geek of 20+ years
> standing.
Thanks for the offer... perhaps we could consider it in the future
(using the existing servers - they have plenty of excess capacity)
but for now I think Yahoo is still the best place for this.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Roman Market Days, -- After Action Report (AAR) -- "Maximus" |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:22:44 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Citizens of Nova Roma;
I beg your pardon for this interruption of my self -imposed silence on
the Main List. However, I have just recieved the above AAR from a
gentleman ("Maximus" Mecurius Minucius Gladius) to whom I have committed
to place his AAR on the Main List. It is rather long, and so I will
post the AAR in segments, in serial-like format. The below coments are
his alone and I believe reflect an exciting review of the subject event
from the eyes of a strong participant.
I thank you in advance for your patience, understanding and kind
allowance of this report.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
================================
September 16, 2755
Hon. Senator Marcus Minucius Audens,
Esteemed Citizen of Nova Roma
My Dear Senator:
I beg your leave to report, in my capacity as your paramilitary Staff
Advisor in the Sodalitas Militarium of Nova Roma, the following "after
action report" of the recent gathering of Nova Romans and friends of
Mother Roma, known as "Roman Market Day." This outstanding gathering
of dedicated and august Romaphiles was organized and hosted by our
friends and fellow Nova Romans, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" and "Patricia
Cassia." (aka: Will and Pat Bradford) of Wells. Maine and our friends
"Julie and Lawrence Brooks" of La Wren's Nest known throughout our
modern empire as purvyors and suppliers of some of the finest and most
accurate Roman civilian , military, and gladtorial gear available in
this age.
The Market Day was held at a retreat known as the "Sacred Oaks," a "new
age" retreat nestled in the spirit-ridden forests along the craggy
coastline of the northeast region of the North Atlantic Province (Nova
Britannia); N. Americanus. Legio XXIV, ably commanded by Praefectus
Commander Gallio Velius Marsallas (aka: George W. Metz) was on hand to
defend the attending citizens from any incursions by surly northern
barbarins seeking to upset the pageantry of the Markey Day celebration.
Fortunately for all involved, the craven barbarian dogs knew better than
to invoke the ire of one of modern Rome's most formidable and dedicated
commanders or his stalwart troops, and order was maintained throughout
the day. The Commander set up an impressive display of Roman Military
armaments (circa: late first century A.D. to fourth century A.D.), and ,
as always, engaged the attending citizens with his fornidable knowledge
on the subject. Presentations on various ballistae and other Roman
military subjects were also provided by Senator Marcus Minucius Audens
(aka: James Mathews), although your humble "Summa Palus" (top-ranked
gladiator) of the Ludus Magnus Gladitores ("Great School of the
Gladiators") attached to Legio XXIV as it's gladitorial school ("ludus")
was not directly privy to those presentations, as the crowd of curious
new-Roman citizens were persistant and most enthusiastic in thier
demands for information and demonstrations on the subject of
gladitorial engagement, and demanded our virtually constaant attention
to thier very well-concieved and pointed inquiries on the matter (a most
gratifying response from a very gracious assemblage of spectators
indeed).
(To be continued)
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Tribunus Militum Laticlavius Archetecturas;
Legio XXIV
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Numerius Cassius Niger" <menippus@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:44:49 -0000 |
|
Salve!
My Cognomen, "Niger" is both a reference to my other last
name "Schwartz" and an oblique reference to my complexion.
I'm bi-racial.
-N. Cassius Niger
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@y...> wrote:
> Accustomed to being a statistic, I'm curious if there were
> others "like me" in Nova Roma(a euphemism to be sure as there is
no
> one like me *grin*).
>
> One of five (approx.) Black members in the Kingdom of Ealdormere
> (SCA,Ontario-Canada chapter) - and the only woman.
>
> Lucia Sallusta Albania
> (citizenship pending)
> a.k.a Inez Rosanera de Rusconi
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Audens' post |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:44:04 +0100 (BST) |
|
M. Minucius Audens wrote:
> I beg your pardon for this interruption of my self -imposed silence on
> the Main List.
On the contrary, I'm disappointed to hear that you've imposed such a silence. I'm sure there are many subscribers to the list who enjoy hearing your views, so I hope you'll consider returning from 'exile'.
Jamie
www.strategikon.org
---------------------------------
Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Yahoo!Groups-Problem |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:39:46 +0200 (CEST) |
|
It works again, after almost one week... well, thanks
anyway!
In Nova-Roma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia"
<scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
>---Salve A. Hirti Helveti:
>
>I shall look into this for you.
>
>Bene vale,
>Pompeia
>List Moderator et Praetor
Vale bene,
=====
A. Hirtius Helveticus
------------------------------
paterfamilias gentis Hirtiarum
http://www.hirtius.ch.tt/
------------------------------
Yahoo!/AIM/MSN: hirtius75ch
icq: 155762490
__________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Lewis Jones" <cloviscathmor@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:21:38 -0500 |
|
Even though my heritage is of mixed nationalities I am of course classed as
African American. When I first started the sca back in 1987 I was one of two
African Americans in the kingdom of calontir but am now one of 5 -10 in the
Kingdom of the Middle and of course I am one of the few African Americans in
Nova Roma.
Clovius Ullerius Ursus
Pukulpa Tjunguringkunytja - by Diana James
We walk together on sacred ground. Black feet, white feet, treading softly on
the land. Mother Kuniya moves beneath our feet, the Tjukurpa/Creation Law
breathes life into the sacred landscape of Uluru. White guides and Anangu
guides, working together. We stand firm in the laws of the two cultures, keeping
the cultural and natural heritage strong. Our feet on sacred ground our hands
reach up to hold the new circle of life; The campfire, the waterhole, where
people of all cultures can meet and share.
----------------------------------------------------
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Communication Center: http://www.icq.com/1361177> (go there and try it!) or, *
Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen
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adding similar signatures to your e-mail go to:
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-----Original Message-----
From: Numerius Cassius Niger [mailto:menippus@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:45 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in
Nova Roma
Salve!
My Cognomen, "Niger" is both a reference to my other last
name "Schwartz" and an oblique reference to my complexion.
I'm bi-racial.
-N. Cassius Niger
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@y...> wrote:
> Accustomed to being a statistic, I'm curious if there were
> others "like me" in Nova Roma(a euphemism to be sure as there is
no
> one like me *grin*).
>
> One of five (approx.) Black members in the Kingdom of Ealdormere
> (SCA,Ontario-Canada chapter) - and the only woman.
>
> Lucia Sallusta Albania
> (citizenship pending)
> a.k.a Inez Rosanera de Rusconi
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Unwanted mail |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:26:10 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>
>In short, I would recommend against using it if you're looking to
>decrease your spam count.
>
I send everything to Junk Mail by default then allow anything that isn't junk. It still isn't worth looking in there more than once a week.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
--
Personalised email by http://another.com
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in Nova Roma Plus Other Thoughts |
| From: |
"Proculus Postumius Nero" <postumius@gmx.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:19:45 -0400 |
|
Pro. Postumius Nero L. Sallustiae Albaniae S.P.D.
Salve,
To answer your inquisition, and noting that I have only been a citizen for
two months now, were you to look at my page in the Album Civium, you would
note that I could very truly refer to myself with the cognome of N. Cassius,
'Niger,' as a reference to my complexion as well. However that's not to say
that I'm jet black. I'm more of a brownish color, and if we ever meet, look
at my right arm and you'll note that I'm two-toned. Half of my body really
is lighter than the other half.
Going further, I'd also like to add to this conversation this bit of
interesting thought. The clay used in sculpture is generally mono-chrome.
Generally, too, sculptures were not painted, as far as I know, and those
that survive today do not have any color still on them other than that of
the clay, were there any to begin with. Thus, my thought for today is,
simply, whose to say that C. Iulius Caesar or Cn. Pompeius Magnus or even
(my favorite Roman) M. Tullius Cicero were not "black" men? All their
sculptures come out the color of the clay and not the person anyway. Just a
thought.
Vale,
Nero
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in Nova Roma Plus Other Thoughts |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:47:04 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Proculus Postumius Nero <postumius@gmx.net>
>
>the clay, were there any to begin with. Thus, my thought for today is,
>simply, whose to say that C. Iulius Caesar or Cn. Pompeius Magnus or even
>(my favorite Roman) M. Tullius Cicero were not “black“ men? All their
>sculptures come out the color of the clay and not the person anyway. Just a
Pompey was sneered at for his ['Gallic'] fair hair, not a 'black' characteristic! This form Herodotos (500BCE?) is fascinating though. He is commenting on the truth of the legend that Danae settled first Thebes and then Kolkhiz (Georgia) from 'Libya' or its neighbour Egypt.
That they are of African descent might be evident from their dark skin and frizzy black hair, but *one can meet men like that anywhere in Civilisation*: what confirms them as African is that they practise circumcision, a uniquely Egyptian barbarism".
It is that 'meet....anywhere' that is so interesting. Were the black peoples then living north of the Sahara? Was there more contact with littl-known African empires than we know? There is the remains of a Carthaginian/Phoenician port on the 'West African Bulge', tantalisingly just where the current sweeps to Mexico.
And what happened to those dark frizzy people? The Irish also had their Tuatha Dé Danaan, a similar name to Dana[w]os, but these are mostly the Sidhe, probably confused with spirits of the dead. Yet as well as the traditional tall red-haired Celt, there are small dark people sometimes thought to be the origin of English fairy folk hidden in the forests and underground (and exploiting superstition for all it gained them of course) in south Wales and Ireland and Brittany. Perhaps after centuries of mixture with other outcasts, only a general dark tendency remained?
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Minorities in NR and Serapio's proposal |
| From: |
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:19:44 EDT |
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>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the citizens of NR. Salvete.
There are no minorities in Nova Roma as we are all citizens with equal
opportunities to serve the Republic and each other through our efforts. Nova
Roma is a minority in the modern world because we are founded on a set of
virtues that permeate through all societies, historical and current, and
politics or ethnicity are secondary (tertiary, etc.) to the condition of our
citizenry and our observance of the virtues of NR.
Valete.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Dance in Rome |
| From: |
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:30:08 EDT |
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According to many of the Greek and Roman writers of the day, there were many
kinds of dancing in the ancient world. During the Panatheniad in Athens, men
performed a military dance with helmets, shields, and spears called the
Pyrrhi. The men and women of Pontus and Armenia performed a dance in
concentric circles (up to seven but usually three) that used elaborate hand
and arm gestures but no description of the steps. The Gauls were noted to do
dances requiring elaborate foot movements and leaping but they kept their
hands to their sides (a la Riverdance). The Celti-Iberians (per Livy)
performed a dance that were similar to medieval circle dances. The greatest
problem with recreating such dances are interpreting the descriptions, the
artistic evidence, and the music.
Vale.
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] R: [russata] RUSSATA!! LUDI CIRCENSES RUSSATA!! |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:00:55 +0200 |
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Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
This is our last chance to win, we MUST WIN!!!
I remember you there will the Maximi Ludi after the Victoriae Ludi, from 26 October to 1st November, to appoint the best charioteer of the year.
RUSSATA ... RA RA RA!!!
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Subject: Re: [russata] RUSSATA!! LUDI CIRCENSES RUSSATA!!
Salve,
this time we will win!!
RUSSATA!!
Valete,
> Salvete!
>
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