| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: A CHALLANGE ABOUT THE LUDI VICTOIRIA CULTURAL AWARD |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:58:12 -0000 |
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Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Caeso Fabius Quintilianus >
> Where are Illustris Marcus Minucius Audens, Illustris Tiberius
> Apollonius Cicatrix, Illustris Gaius Cassius Nerva, Illustra
Vopisca
> Iulia Cocceia, Honorable Quintus Classius Clavus, Honorable Manius
> Constantinus Serapio, Honorable Tiberius Annaeus Otho, Honorable
> Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili, Honorable Caius Annaeus Lucanus
> Otho, Honorable Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus and Honorable Marcus
> Octavius Solaris? We know that You are wonderful authors and still
no
> texts from You to the Ludi Victoria Cultural Award?
I thank you for placing me in such august company. As the winner of
the last Cultural Award, I thought it best to sit out this contest.
Since you word it as a challenge I will have to sit down with my Muse
and make her work a little overtime. <G>
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Introducing myself... |
| From: |
"Titus Gabrielatus Genialis" <tggenialis@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:40:24 -0300 |
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Salvete novoromani!
I am a 15 year old boy from Brazil and I just love Nova Roman ideas. So, I
entered on this email list to learn more about it. I am trying to convince
my parents to allow me to be a Nova Roman citizen (once I am not yet 18, I
have to have their authorization, right?) and while I don't get my
citizenship, I'll learn as much as I can by sharing experiences with all you
novoromani.
I am also working with Imperium of Lucius Arminius Faustus on the
translation of the main site into Portuguese and soonly you all will can see
published there some of my works.
If someone would like to talk to me, can either send me emails to
tggenialis@yahoo.com.br or add me to your ICQ list (my number is 75873373).
Valete!
Titus Genialis.
Nova Roma lover (soon citizen)
Interpreter into Portuguese with Imperium of L. A. Faustus.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Impressed? Not in the least. |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:23:54 -0400 |
|
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 02:50:56PM -0000, aerdensrw wrote:
Salve, Renata Corva:
> Salve, G. Porticus Brutus (or whoever I am quoting
> below) If the attribution is wrong, I apologize; it
> is difficult for me to tell who is quoting whom,
> sometimes, in these list messages.
That would be me. It's not surprising that you found it difficult; the
attribution in that message was badly mixed up.
> GPB: Presenting a false face to the outside world is
> _not_ consistent with any code of virtues that I know
> of; certainly not with my personal one. In my opinion,
> anyone who can't handle real discussion, the kind that
> is prompted by dealing with important issues, would
> have a far better time in news://alt.cuddle than in
> NovaRoma.
>
> Renata: While I agree that it is better to present an
> honest, though ugly, view into NR's community than a
> falsely pretty one, let me describe what I see through
> the window:
<shrug> I think that "ugly" is a poorly chosen term. I see nothing ugly
about this forum, although the discussion may get somewhat strident.
> I see Nova Romans who sometimes engage in very
> interesting discussions of Roman religion, culture,
> history, and archaeological discoveries. It is only
> because of those discussions that I stay.
>
> Through that same window, I ALSO see a Nova Roma that
> often acts more like a domestic disturbance than it does
> like people who are interested in working toward any
> sort of common goal other than mutually assured
> vivisection. I frequently ask myself why I stick
> around, when I see NR folks acting like that.
That is, perhaps, somewhat dramatic. It's not possible to throw
furniture, raise your voice beyond ONE NOTCH HIGHER, stomp your feet, or
commit violence here - all of which happens during domestic disputes.
We are limited to an exchange of ideas and opinions, to communicating
with others who *voluntarily* receive and read our messages... and have
a "Delete" key at their disposal. I fail to see any parallel to a
domestic dispute.
> I ask you, if you went to visit someone you didn't know
> well, only to arrive and discover that they are
> screaming at each other and throwing things, do you
> stay and wait for them to calm down and serve you
> coffee and cake?
I think you're conflating personal hospitality and forum behavior, in my
opinion two completely unrelated issues.
> Or do you decide that you really don't care to know
> those people, after all, and that you would rather spend
> your limited spare time with people who know how to
> resolve their differences with consideration and
> courtesy toward each other?
>
> It is a truism--How people in a group treat each other
> is how they will treat YOU.
I disagree, and not only on the grounds of "what 'everyone' knows is
usually wrong". People, in my experience, treat you the way you teach
them to treat you. You always have the option of not associating with
those who do not respect your wishes (yes, there _are_ limit cases, but
this is neither a jail nor a court of inquiry.)
> To me, it is no wonder at all, that some people decline
> to join Nova Roma after a peek through our 'window.'
I don't wish to sound peremptory, but what do you suggest? It's
trivially easy for anyone to find fault, and I don't believe that anyone
is insisting that the Main List is the best of all possible worlds. It
*is*, however, a discussion forum in which free individuals handle
issues that tend to be emotionally loaded. In my opinion, anyone who
expects this kind of a group to be always rational, stately, calm, or
"nice" is naive, unrealistic, and lacking in experience and/or relevant
information. Looking at a description of the Roman Senate, the early
days of the US Congress, or any body of passionate people with decision
power and substantial problems to solve would (hopefully) give them a
clue and a strong sense of appreciation for the relative calm and
rational demeanor that we enjoy by comparison.
Call me picky, but I would _prefer_ that anyone with that childish of an
idea of how adults communicate emotional issues declined to join
NovaRoma.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Quod bonum, felix faustumque sit!
May it be good, fortunate and prosperous!
-- Words spoken when the Roman senate opened its session
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Apolgies re: my last message |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:33:34 -0700 (PDT) |
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Hail Nova Roma
Still nice to see Nova Roma growing!Thanks and if I can help you just let me know.
G.Porticus Brutis
Jamie Johnston <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
C. Porticus Brutis wrote:
> Hi jamie and welcome to the group.Hope you will love it here and have fun meeting > other like minded people.What is your new name that we should call you?
Thanks for your welcome. My citizenship application is being processed, so I haven't any Roman name yet. If my application is approved, I'll be Aulus Cremutius Cordus (after a bit-player in Tacitus' Annals).
Jamie
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:48:35 -0700 (PDT) |
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Hail Nova Roma
Horatia Minucia Caesar I do understand where your coming from.I'm going though the same thing, with 4 kids.It should be the thought that counts and when you can give I'm sure you will.The people in the place that could part with some or all is the ones that should step up to the plate.Let there names be put on a plack or add a list on the main web site thanking them.This is how some places get there money.I'm not looking for props to make me fill good ,but rather a good push for others to make the stand for our new home land.When you go to Hollywood and see the actors names on the street doesn't that make you wish it was you down there, so your kids could one day say "thats my dad/mom on that one!"
G.Porticus Brutis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:57:16 -0700 (PDT) |
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Hail Roma
I'm sorry I Just belive if we look for hand out we won't be taken for real.
G.Porticus Brutis
Sextus Apollonius Scipio go<scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> wrote:
Salvete,
it is indeed already difficult to raise 13 USD per year per
citizen!!
We have to get the money where it is located that is from
governments, grantors or commercial events.
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Rachel" <theladysabine@h...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:
> >If the Citizens of Nova Roma can not part with less that
$3.
> > per day to help the land fund we have bigger problems
that the
> level
> > of discourse on the main list.
>
> It sounds like a lovely idea, but being a college student
with three
> and a half more years of taking out loans ahead of her, I
don't think
> I can say goodbye to $3 a day for the Land Project right
now.
>
> Those Citizens who don't make even minorly stellar
paychecks might
> find it a little bit difficult too. I will make if I am lucky $400
> this month, and my rent is three times that.
>
> I think we should try to develop and disseminate some
type of *brief*
> census to see a quick demographic mock-up of Nova Roman
citizenry so
> we can all see how much money we would have for the
Land Project if
> all the citizens who were most likely capable of donating
donated. I
> don't think anyone 20 and under is going to be able to rise
to the
> occasion.
>
> Mi dispiace :(
>
> Horatia Minucia Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:11:58 -0700 (PDT) |
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Hail Roma
Quintus My dear friend I've not hear from you My hopes are that your good.I do belive your right it would help to have a tax deduction # this is what churches use when buying thing and may help to cut down on money spent,that could be used on more land,building surplus.
G.Porticus Brutis
ps.may your house continue to grow And I'm still drinking the spiced wine!
Thanks
Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> wrote: Salvete omnes,
Forgive me if this has already been addressed but something we should
look at is getting a tax deduction number something like the charity
and other non- profit organizations do. In this way people who could,
would be more likely to donate something like the 1000.00 mentioned.
The only problem I see is that Nova Roma is incorporated and based
out of the good old USA. Unfortunately, Revenue Canada (like your
IRS) rules that any donations to charities or non - profit
organizations are only detuctable to those that are based or work
within Canada. This could be the same situation with the Europeans. I
learned that the hard way when I donated 1000.00 to a charity in
India. If I rememember correctly, the Senate talking about having NR
registred in different states and countries. Any comments or thoughts
on this?
Regards,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I am posting this to the main list as there are 366 citizens on the
> main list (out of 1554 which is another question for later) and
less
> that 40 on the land project site.
>
> Is it possible for the person/s who maintain the main Nova Roma web
> site to have catogories added to the paypal so that when we send in
> our taxes in January( or before) we can check a space that tells
the
> powers that be this is for taxes? If catogories are possible can
one
> be added for the land project?
>
> Making a leap of faith that this can be done here is my modest
> proposal for the land project. Starting with January 1 2756 A.U.C.
> Citizens can (when they can) post through paypal( or mail) a
donation
> of $1000.00 U.S. Dollars. If all 1554 Citzens donate the full
> $1000.00 we can collect for the Land project
>
> 1 million 500 hundred and 54 thousand dollars U.S. yes that was
>
> 1 million 500 hundred and 54 thousand dollars U.S. !!!
>
> No I don't have extra money gathering dust but, if we send in the
> money over ONE year it amounts to $84 per month odetuctableer week
or
> $2.976 per day. If you can't sent the $21.00 one week you can send
> more another week as long as we send in $1000.00
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Impressed? Not in the least. |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:15:32 -0700 (PDT) |
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Sorry Renata Corva the Quote was not me.
G.Porticus Brutis
aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> wrote:Salve, G. Porticus Brutus (or whoever I am quoting
below) If the attribution is wrong, I apologize; it
is difficult for me to tell who is quoting whom,
sometimes, in these list messages.
GPB: Presenting a false face to the outside world is
_not_ consistent with any code of virtues that I know
of; certainly not with my personal one. In my opinion,
anyone who can't handle real discussion, the kind that
is prompted by dealing with important issues, would
have a far better time in news://alt.cuddle than in
NovaRoma.
Renata: While I agree that it is better to present an
honest, though ugly, view into NR's community than a
falsely pretty one, let me describe what I see through
the window:
I see Nova Romans who sometimes engage in very
interesting discussions of Roman religion, culture,
history, and archaeological discoveries. It is only
because of those discussions that I stay.
Through that same window, I ALSO see a Nova Roma that
often acts more like a domestic disturbance than it does
like people who are interested in working toward any
sort of common goal other than mutually assured
vivisection. I frequently ask myself why I stick
around, when I see NR folks acting like that.
I ask you, if you went to visit someone you didn't know
well, only to arrive and discover that they are
screaming at each other and throwing things, do you
stay and wait for them to calm down and serve you
coffee and cake?
Or do you decide that you really don't care to know
those people, after all, and that you would rather spend
your limited spare time with people who know how to
resolve their differences with consideration and
courtesy toward each other?
It is a truism--How people in a group treat each other
is how they will treat YOU.
To me, it is no wonder at all, that some people decline
to join Nova Roma after a peek through our 'window.'
---
Renata Corva
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Time to Put up or shut up! |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:31:42 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Hail Nova Roma
I do belive it's time to put up or shut up!We have been chasing our tail for sometime about the land and where have we gotten not alot from 4 months ago.It would help to know whom we should send the check to?Like I've said before make it so people want to give.By puting there names in the streets and leting them see how thy've help they're more likly to help.I would like to make the line in the sand! I'll send in the 500$us to help and the other 500 later.
Let this be where we start, who will stand with me on this????[please don't tell the wife about it Ok]Hey It's the only way I could do it...But really lets start it now making things to sale is nice but we're not going to get the money faster like that.A tax could help but who wants to live in another world that taxes the hell out of you.That's the way to kill NR not help her.to make a statement like this would be easy.Just when we're building NR place a name on each stone, not to hard!I'd love to show my little guys where I helped.
Nova Roma Is our nation not someone else's but ours so show up for your nation don't let our kids pave the roads we should have.If for some reason it fails then at least we could say we tryed and thats good for me.
Now wRomawe've got the money we must find a spot to start.If we chose the US you've got job around here,nice running water and freedoms.We should take in to thought all countrys and whertryedt of us live.There seems to be alot in the new england states,and land south of there is cheeper.I've looked around for alot of land and its easy to find.SO here is a start give the people a dream let it turn in there minds.If you could build a nation what would you put in it where would you like to see it and would you want to move there?Let ?'s like this be asked in NR so to start the old wheels a turning in our minds.Maybe Just maybe you'll see more people giving and hoping for a better way of life.Lets pray they might see this and a fire brust out inside each of us!
Because if we don't do something about getting to it then we might as wh go back to our game boards and toys and just keep playing.Talking about it is nice but it doesn't get the job done.All the posting have had some good points and it keeps the idea alive,but are you happy just to have an idea?Put your money where your mouth is and we'll have our home land in no time.
G.Porticus Brutis
If I've made you mad with this letter please forgive me thats not what I want to do, but the job won't get done making everbody feel all nice in side!
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:10:09 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Why not set a prorated system of benefits for donating more. Points could be offered for donations
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hail Roma
I'm sorry I Just belive if we look for hand out we won't be taken for real.
G.Porticus Brutis
Sextus Apollonius Scipio go<scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> wrote:
Salvete,
it is indeed already difficult to raise 13 USD per year per
citizen!!
We have to get the money where it is located that is from
governments, grantors or commercial events.
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Rachel" <theladysabine@h...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:
> >If the Citizens of Nova Roma can not part with less that
$3.
> > per day to help the land fund we have bigger problems
that the
> level
> > of discourse on the main list.
>
> It sounds like a lovely idea, but being a college student
with three
> and a half more years of taking out loans ahead of her, I
don't think
> I can say goodbye to $3 a day for the Land Project right
now.
>
> Those Citizens who don't make even minorly stellar
paychecks might
> find it a little bit difficult too. I will make if I am lucky $400
> this month, and my rent is three times that.
>
> I think we should try to develop and disseminate some
type of *brief*
> census to see a quick demographic mock-up of Nova Roman
citizenry so
> we can all see how much money we would have for the
Land Project if
> all the citizens who were most likely capable of donating
donated. I
> don't think anyone 20 and under is going to be able to rise
to the
> occasion.
>
> Mi dispiace :(
>
> Horatia Minucia Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Survey of CitizenTalents |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) |
|
I know it's kind of late for a reply but I wanted to put mine and my family's qualifications down.My family and I have just a few but nothing in line with Roman history.Ours is more construction of homes,buildings,ponds,lakes,etc.,but I've started a film production comp.Hoping to get that off the ground this year.My wife is going though school for med. and this would be good for NR.We have doctors,lawyers,farmers and bull riders...just about everything in the family.When there's a chance to build on NR land we hope to help.Also If there is anyone who may want to write a script and could help me out I'd love the help.Just to hard to type all of it with just two fingers.
G.Porticus Brutis
BrutisGaia Fabia Livia <racheledugdale@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Do we have any urban planners? Do we have any
> architects? Do we have
> citizens who can design and build a water system.
I don't have any qualifications in such matters, but I have just read
about six books on Roman town planning, so until I forget it all I
know quite a lot about the rituals involved. But not the more
mundane things such as how to build the structures one has laid out!
In terms of occupation, I'm a classics student (as of today!), and
spent the last year preparing for my course, while baking for a local
cafe in order to pay the bills! So if Rome needs recipies for
cookies, flapjacks or muffins, that's the nearest thing I have to a
profession so far!
G. Fabia Livia
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in Nova Roma |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:39:10 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Numerius Cassius Niger" <menippus@a...> wrote:
> Salve!
>
> My Cognomen, "Niger" is both a reference to my other last
> name "Schwartz" and an oblique reference to my complexion.
> I'm bi-racial.
>
> -N. Cassius Niger
>
Salve! Ironically I chose to be completely oblique in the choice of
my cognomen which translates to "white" or "one who wears white".
This sort of irony was common in the names of Blacks living in Europe
in the 14-17th century (e.g. John Blanke). Does anyone know if there
is any record of Black African Slaves in the Roman era bearing the
name of "White"?
things that make you go, hmmmm
Lucia Sallustia Albania
citizenship pending)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Blacks in Greco-Roman Sculpture Re: African Blacks... |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:46:07 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Proculus Postumius Nero" <> Going further,
I'd also like to add to this conversation this bit of
> interesting thought. The clay used in sculpture is generally mono-
chrome. Generally, too, sculptures were not painted, as far as I
know...[snip]
For the record, sculptures were in fact painting, according to
curators I have spoken to at the Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) in
Toronto, Canada. Very brightly, too.
But as to representation of race in Roman sculpture. There is record
of it in the first volume of:
The Image of the Black in Western Art. Fribourg, Office du livre:
distributed by Harvard University Press, 1979.
[BTW this book is sadly out of print and beastly difficult to find]
Lucia Sallustia Albania
(citizenship pending)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] A public thank you to T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina- Pagan World" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:02:10 +0200 |
|
Salve,
A would like to publicly thank T Labienus Fortunatus for all of his help in
the matter of me changing my Gens back to Gens Moravia! I really really
appreciate it!
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] NRLandProject |
| From: |
"Sextus Apollonius Scipio" <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:03:08 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
I have read with great interest all the posts concerning the
financing of the LandProject. All the proposals will be
studied.
However, I would like to say that grants are not a given!!
Grantors will not give money away just for the sake of it
(especially nowadays...)
Grantors will give money to specific projects that are within
their scope. So we should delimit our project at first and
especially we should set it up in a way that will attract
grantors. The very first tasks will be then:
- Find out who are the grantors.
- Find out what kind of project they are granting and why.
- Adjust our project to this.
- Contact the grantors.
At last, putting the taxes higher will not be an acceptable
solution. We have already experiencing a lot of difficulties to
get the 13 USD per citizen per year. Historically, taxing more
the citizens has been used in extreme situation, when Rome
itself was in great danger. For example, the proscriptions of
Octavius, Antonius and Lepidus were held to fight the army
of Cassius and Brutus and because all the means to get
money had been used before.
Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Praefectus Pecuniae NRLandProject
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: LUDI VICTORIA CIRCENSES |
| From: |
"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:18:25 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...> wrote:
>
> Salve Aedilis Curulis Caeso Fabi,
>
> These will be excellent Ludi. I am particularly impressed by the
> faction web sites set up by you and your Quaestor,
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
>
> To support this effort, and add a bit of fun, I've added a feature
> to the main site. Now, any citizen can declare support for one
> of the four actions on their Album Civium page; a large colored
> band with the name of their chosen faction will appear above
> the personal information.
>
> Citizens, to choose your faction (as it will be shown on your
> Album Civium page), visit this URL:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs
>
> Vale, Octavius.
This is wonderful!!! Gratias plurimas, what a delightful addition to
our citizen profiles!
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:36:19 +0100 (BST) |
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Sex. Apollonius Scipio wrote:
> Historically, taxing more
> the citizens has been used in extreme situation, when Rome
> itself was in great danger. For example, the proscriptions of
> Octavius, Antonius and Lepidus were held to fight the army
> of Cassius and Brutus and because all the means to get
> money had been used before.
I don't wish to take issue with the point Scipio is making using this analogy, but I'd like to suggest that the analogy itself is perhaps a little extreme: the triumvirs' proscriptions involved not merely raising the level of tax on citizens, but rather, the drawing up of an extremely long list of citizens who any member of the public was permitted to murder without fear of punishment, and whose lands and money would then be confiscated by the state to fund the war against Brutus and Cassius. I'm sure even those members of this list in favour of a rise in taxes wouldn't wish to suggest a programme of that kind. :)
C. Porticus Brutis wrote:
> Let this be where we start, who will stand with me on this????[please
> don't tell the wife about it Ok]Hey It's the only way I could do
> it...But really lets start it now making things to sale is nice but we're not
> going to get the money faster like that.A tax could help but who wants
> to live in another world that taxes the hell out of you.That's the way
> to kill NR not help her.
It strikes me that Brutis' action is in fact a very Roman way of approaching the problem of financing public works. In the same way that the Roman aristocracy competed for political office, they competed for recognition and status by striving to outdo one another by paying out of their own pockets for public works, particularly public buildings but also roads, aqueducts and other amenities, which would of course bear inscriptions recording their generosity. Naturally, since Nova Roma currently has little need for public buildings, and since the private funds of the average citizen are rather smaller than those at the disposal of those ancient benefactors, the simple donation of money is a fairly good approximation. It would be best, however, to be careful that competitive donation doesn't become confused with competition for esteem and for political office, as it did with the ancient Romans, or else running for office could easily become rather similar to buying it. It's worth remembering that when running for office in ancient Rome, candidates stood in the Forum showing not the buildings they had erected for the good of the people, but the wounds they had received defending the res publica - financial benefaction was not the most important form of service.
Jamie
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Polls |
| From: |
"Proculus Postumius Nero" <postumius@gmx.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:32:17 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes,
I've finished putting up a few polls on my website (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/picturesofthepast), if anyone wants to check some of them out. Also, for those of you whose names are used, if you wish your name to be removed, just drop me a line, and I'll be happy to comply.
Optime Vale,
Postumius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A public thank you to T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:33:41 +0200 |
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Salve Diana, Amica!
Congratulations, Diana! Well done Illustris Titus Labienus Fortunatus!
>Salve,
>
>A would like to publicly thank T Labienus Fortunatus for all of his help in
>the matter of me changing my Gens back to Gens Moravia! I really really
>appreciate it!
>
>Vale,
>Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question |
| From: |
"Sextus Apollonius Scipio" <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:59:08 -0000 |
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Salvete,
> > Historically, taxing more
> > the citizens has been used in extreme situation, when
Rome
> > itself was in great danger. For example, the proscriptions
of
> > Octavius, Antonius and Lepidus were held to fight the
army
> > of Cassius and Brutus and because all the means to
get
> > money had been used before.
>
> I don't wish to take issue with the point Scipio is making
using this analogy, but I'd like to suggest that the analogy
itself is perhaps a little extreme: the triumvirs' proscriptions
involved not merely raising the level of tax on citizens, but
rather, the drawing up of an extremely long list of citizens
who any member of the public was permitted to murder
without fear of punishment, and whose lands and money
would then be confiscated by the state to fund the war
against Brutus and Cassius. I'm sure even those members of
this list in favour of a rise in taxes wouldn't wish to suggest
a programme of that kind. :)
---
Your point is a good one. I should have said that the Triumvirs
did raise the tax rate before the prescriptions.
This rate, if I recall properly, was then raised from 0.1 % to
0.3%.
And of course, we will not use any prescription to fimance
our project ;o)
Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Praefectus Pecuniae NRLandPRoject
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: A public thank you to T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
"Sextus Apollonius Scipio" <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:07:32 -0000 |
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Salve Diana,
I am really pleased for you. Congratulations!!
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Diana Moravia Aventina- Pagan World"
<diana@p...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> A would like to publicly thank T Labienus Fortunatus for
all of his help in
> the matter of me changing my Gens back to Gens Moravia!
I really really
> appreciate it!
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] A public thank you to T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina- Pagan World" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:52:19 +0200 |
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Salve Scipio,
The only down side is that you won't be my 'brother' anymore. In any case,
I'm sure that if we check the genealogies very very carefully, we'll find
that Gentes Moravia & Apollonia are distantly related ;-)
And of course another thank you goes to my former Paterfamilias Tiberius
Apollonius Cicatrix for his support.And now I'll have some work to do in
order to get Gens Moravia once more as an active Gens in Nova Roma!
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: African Blacks, African-Americans/Europeans, etc in Nova Roma |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:08:06 +0100 (BST) |
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-----Original Message-----
>From : ms_m2you <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca>
>>
>>Salve! Ironically I chose to be completely oblique in the choice of
>>my cognomen which translates to ýwhiteý or ýone who wears whiteý.
>>This sort of irony was common in the names of Blacks living in Europe
>>in the 14-17th century (e.g. John Blanke). Does anyone know if there
>>is any record of Black African Slaves in the Roman era bearing the
>>name of ýWhiteý?
>>
>It would not have been a surname until they were liberated but there seem to be few records of black African slaves apart from Nubian guards simply because there are few records of 'race' as we know it. Origin, yes but someone from Africa could be anything. That may be the key: Rome came last of the ancient Empires. The Mediterranean was thoroughly mixed already. 'Barbarian' describes culture. We do not hear of Iugurtha or Iuba as 'Barbarians'. There were occasional Brahman embassies in Rome, Egypt had had occasional Sudanese Pharoahs. Skin colour and features were probably little more significant than hair colour and far less so than social class and education.
>Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Two Announcements |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:22:38 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete Cives,
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You can view the mailing list archives at:
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Valete, Octavius.
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Curator Araneum et Senator
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