| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:22:38 -0700 |
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Avete Omnes,
I sincerely appreciate your ideas and input but I do not think, in my personal opinion, that Nova Roma is ready for land, in the short-term. Even if we had 5 years of steady revenue (hopefully it would increase every year as well). The purchase of land is a huge investment that in many ways we are just not ready to jump into. We seriously need to think this through. Hopefully my opinion might serve to show our newer and more zealous citizens the bumps that Nova Roma has gone through and still is going through.
Lets face the facts, in 5 years of NR's existence we have had 1 Civil War, and we have various factions within the Senate. If we cannot get along now in a virtual community just how are we to do so where there are serious assets involved? We do not have Board of Directors Insurance, or enough money to consult attorneys, and if we need to consult an attorney we would have to rely on individual Senators and their goodwill to pay for that necessity. But, lets assume we are able to put the past behind us.....lets examine this realistically to this date we have issues providing some of the services that our citizens have paid for, I am referring to the Eagle newsletter. This year I was hoping to combine the Eagle with the payment of taxes as a package, but I have decided against it since we have not been able to appoint an editor. Maybe when we are able to get that position filled regularly we can make a professional quarterly magazine that would serve as an incentive.
Beyond that many of our citizens were extremely displeased about the fact that taxes were imposed in the first place, and then amount of the tax upset people as well. Now you want to go well beyond the $12.00 a year (which only about 14% of our citizens paid in the first place.) It is highly unlikely that anyone beyond most of the Senators will pay for it. I state this based on my understanding of taxes, and their role and purpose. For people to pay taxes there has to be a benefit derived from paying it. Especially in an organization where paying taxes is optional we have to provide a valuable service to our citizens to motivate them to pay it. Based on some emails, conversations and meetings I have had with some of our citizens land in and of itself is not much of a motivation.
There are many steps that we must complete before we get to that point. First, we need a system of laws implemented and have ways to enforce them, because when we get land this will be absolutely necessary. Second, we will need to present a stable source of revenue for a sustained period of time, to pay for the expenses that land will inevitably bring to Nova Roma. We must also plan for the expenditures of maintaining any land that we do purchase (maintenance, insurance, taxes to any macronation that the land is located). Then we will have to decide on just what we are going to do with the land, insure the property and focus on development.
Urban planning is going to be a very important aspect to this, unless if we only get a piece of property that is only around 1 acre.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy P. Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Modest Proposal and the landproject
Salve,
I am posting this to the main list as there are 366 citizens on the
main list (out of 1554 which is another question for later) and less
that 40 on the land project site.
Is it possible for the person/s who maintain the main Nova Roma web
site to have catogories added to the paypal so that when we send in
our taxes in January( or before) we can check a space that tells the
powers that be this is for taxes? If catogories are possible can one
be added for the land project?
Making a leap of faith that this can be done here is my modest
proposal for the land project. Starting with January 1 2756 A.U.C.
Citizens can (when they can) post through paypal( or mail) a donation
of $1000.00 U.S. Dollars. If all 1554 Citzens donate the full
$1000.00 we can collect for the Land project
1 million 500 hundred and 54 thousand dollars U.S. yes that was
1 million 500 hundred and 54 thousand dollars U.S. !!!
No I don't have extra money gathering dust but, if we send in the
money over ONE year it amounts to $84 per month or $21.00 per week or
$2.976 per day. If you can't sent the $21.00 one week you can send
more another week as long as we send in $1000.00 by the end of one
year. If the Citizens of Nova Roma can not part with less that $3.
per day to help the land fund we have bigger problems that the level
of discourse on the main list. So here is my modest proposal, what do
you think?
Vale,
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Fortes fortuna iuvat ( Fortune helps the brave)
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:11:05 -0700 (PDT) |
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Hail Nova Roma
Ok first off I'm not the smartest man in the world but I'm not sure how to take your posting.If it's that you mean to say that by my post I'm looking to run for a office in NR then thats not the case.I couldn't If I wanted to there's no time for me and I belive in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and not a Roman God, this I understand is something you must belive in to hold office {if I'm wrong please forgive me for the confusion.}.
I'm just trying to give people the push they may need to get the ball rolling.Please Understand If I ran for office and won NR would be a ghost town [being the dumbest bear in the woods] ha ha.But I'm just wanting what all of you are asking for.A Home land [Nova Roma ,New Rome].If we sat around on our thumbs we'll waste away,and we'll be a big joke.While groups like sca grows because our people see something they can touch not just a dream.
I've not got all the money in the world,and if you've read some of my postings you would see that I'm broke.This does not mean I'll give up on this Idea.If you want to know the truth about me I make about $1600 a month.After bills and others[the 4 kids] I've got $200 to use on things.Thats if the wife doesn't find out and use it.
You may be asking why should you care or why you may want to hear this garbage.It's to show others that if you want something this bad you'll do something about it.
Should we do this Idea,with putting names on the streets or where ever.It's not to show others look how much money I've got or "hey look at me I'm running for office vote for me".Greed will get you nothing but a empty pocket and a lot of heart ack.
It just gives a person some pride in there Nova Roma!So I'd say let the people of NR say if this is a good idea and if they would like to see it happen.I ask the senate to judge this an if the people, and the senate agree then let's get to work on it.I can not recall who wrote it but $1000 a year, "if you can give" than NR would have it's land in no time. 3yrs and there would be a house for ever person and a pig in every pot[sorry to those that have little piggy s].
Now if this is not what you mean in your posting I'm sorry I just get crazy about NR.
G.Porticus Brutis Servant of Nova Roma
I hope this has not made others mad or that you just want to kill me.There is a line you know.
Jamie Johnston <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Sex. Apollonius Scipio wrote:
> Historically, taxing more
> the citizens has been used in extreme situation, when Rome
> itself was in great danger. For example, the proscriptions of
> Octavius, Antonius and Lepidus were held to fight the army
> of Cassius and Brutus and because all the means to get
> money had been used before.
I don't wish to take issue with the point Scipio is making using this analogy, but I'd like to suggest that the analogy itself is perhaps a little extreme: the triumvirs' proscriptions involved not merely raising the level of tax on citizens, but rather, the drawing up of an extremely long list of citizens who any member of the public was permitted to murder without fear of punishment, and whose lands and money would then be confiscated by the state to fund the war against Brutus and Cassius. I'm sure even those members of this list in favour of a rise in taxes wouldn't wish to suggest a programme of that kind. :)
C. Porticus Brutis wrote:
> Let this be where we start, who will stand with me on this????[please
> don't tell the wife about it Ok]Hey It's the only way I could do
> it...But really lets start it now making things to sale is nice but we're not
> going to get the money faster like that.A tax could help but who wants
> to live in another world that taxes the hell out of you.That's the way
> to kill NR not help her.
It strikes me that Brutis' action is in fact a very Roman way of approaching the problem of financing public works. In the same way that the Roman aristocracy competed for political office, they competed for recognition and status by striving to outdo one another by paying out of their own pockets for public works, particularly public buildings but also roads, aqueducts and other amenities, which would of course bear inscriptions recording their generosity. Naturally, since Nova Roma currently has little need for public buildings, and since the private funds of the average citizen are rather smaller than those at the disposal of those ancient benefactors, the simple donation of money is a fairly good approximation. It would be best, however, to be careful that competitive donation doesn't become confused with competition for esteem and for political office, as it did with the ancient Romans, or else running for office could easily become rather similar to buying it. It's worth remembering that when running for office in ancient Rome, candidates stood in the Forum showing not the buildings they had erected for the good of the people, but the wounds they had received defending the res publica - financial benefaction was not the most important form of service.
Jamie
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:46:54 +0200 |
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Salvete G.Porticus Brutis et Omnes,
I am very impressed to see that you might be ready to give money for NR having
a big family. I have myself three children, so I know how much those little
angels could cost!! ;O)
Free donations will be of course a way of financing NR. However, I do not think
that, for the time being, it will be the main source of money. Simply put, I am
sure that most citizen would be ready to give, but only when they will get the
impression that our project is definitely on the way. This is a normal human
behaviour in investing.
If I can suggest, keep your dedication intact and give NR all the energy you
can (even if children are energy consuming too...) There is a lot of projects
going on that need motivated people. You could ask Honored Dominus Praefectus
Manius Constantinus Serapio at mcserapio@yahoo.it
Valete,
--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A public thank you to T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:01:03 +0200 |
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Salve Diana,
> The only down side is that you won't be my 'brother' anymore.
we do not need to be "brother" to feel like it!! ;o)
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:14:49 +0200 |
|
Salvete Honored Consul and Omnes,
if I may, I would like to answer your post:
> I sincerely appreciate your ideas and input but I do not think, in my
> personal opinion, that Nova Roma is ready for land, in the short-term. Even
> if we had 5 years of steady revenue (hopefully it would increase every year
> as well). The purchase of land is a huge investment that in many ways we are
> just not ready to jump into. We seriously need to think this through.
This is definitely true. However, I think NR has the potential and we have to
set the base for the future.
> Beyond that many of our citizens were extremely displeased about the fact
> that taxes were imposed in the first place, and then amount of the tax upset
> people as well. Now you want to go well beyond the $12.00 a year (which
> only about 14% of our citizens paid in the first place.) It is highly
> unlikely that anyone beyond most of the Senators will pay for it. I state
> this based on my understanding of taxes, and their role and purpose. For
> people to pay taxes there has to be a benefit derived from paying it.
> Especially in an organization where paying taxes is optional we have to
> provide a valuable service to our citizens to motivate them to pay it. Based
> on some emails, conversations and meetings I have had with some of our
> citizens land in and of itself is not much of a motivation.
I agree again. We are in the terrible circle where we need money to grow but we
need to grow to get money... Only the energy of our dedicated citizens and time
can break this circle.
> There are many steps that we must complete before we get to that point.
> First, we need a system of laws implemented and have ways to enforce them,
> because when we get land this will be absolutely necessary. Second, we will
> need to present a stable source of revenue for a sustained period of time, to
> pay for the expenses that land will inevitably bring to Nova Roma. We must
> also plan for the expenditures of maintaining any land that we do purchase
> (maintenance, insurance, taxes to any macronation that the land is located).
> Then we will have to decide on just what we are going to do with the land,
> insure the property and focus on development.
True. The NRLandProject has been set to answers those questions. We should
present ourselves as a "think tank" in order to solve all of this.
Respectfully,
--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:37:55 -0700 (PDT) |
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Thank you for your kind words and wisdom.I'm just hoping that others may want this as bad as some oh us do!
G.Porticus Brutis
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> wrote:Salvete G.Porticus Brutis et Omnes,
I am very impressed to see that you might be ready to give money for NR having
a big family. I have myself three children, so I know how much those little
angels could cost!! ;O)
Free donations will be of course a way of financing NR. However, I do not think
that, for the time being, it will be the main source of money. Simply put, I am
sure that most citizen would be ready to give, but only when they will get the
impression that our project is definitely on the way. This is a normal human
behaviour in investing.
If I can suggest, keep your dedication intact and give NR all the energy you
can (even if children are energy consuming too...) There is a lot of projects
going on that need motivated people. You could ask Honored Dominus Praefectus
Manius Constantinus Serapio at mcserapio@yahoo.it
Valete,
--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] VENVS ET MARS, LETS NOT FORGET! |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:23:24 +0200 |
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Salve,
>SALVETE OMNES! SALVETE ROMANI! While reflecting the
>other day, it occurred even more to me that if it
>weren't for our divine spiritual parents of Roma,
>VENVS and MARS there would be NO ROMA!!! ROMA is a
>constant thought in the minds of the Gods! Love Her
>and She will never forsake you, for Roma is ETERNAL!
>Sacrifice to Her, and to the Genius of the Roman
>people and to the Genius of the Roman Senatus, that
>for all of us They will be "PROPITII!" (Propitious).
>VALETE! FRATER GAIVS IVLIANVS, PGI.
Since Venus and Mars are the patron deities of my gens, the gens Annaea,
we will never forget them!!!! From our side, they will allways receive their
due and then a trivle more!!!
Cura ut valeas,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] A CHALLANGE ABOUT THE LUDI VICTOIRIA CULTURAL AWARD |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:28:42 +0200 |
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Salve,
>Where are ... Honorable Tiberius Annaeus Otho, Honorable
>Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili ...? We know that You are wonderful authors
and >still no
>texts from You to the Ludi Victoria Cultural Award?
For the two people named above, I can give you a very good answer. I, for
my part, was on my honeymoon and I had sent a message of absence to this
very list! Varus spent the last 2 weeks on holiday with his family and also
wrote a message of absence. For the other people, who by the way always
wrote better pieces than we did, I don't have any idea!!!
Start writing!!!
Valete bene,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Welcome, Gabrielatus! |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 07:41:16 -0300 (ART) |
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Salve,
I must most warmly welcome my friend Titus Gabrielatus! Yes, I gave him my Imperium to help Nova Roma in everything... and particulary being our most dedicated colaborator on Portuguese Translations!!!
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
Se de ócio estou, divirto-me escrevendo,
Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Aerium Saturnii |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:10:30 -0700 |
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Avete Omnes,
Where did our financial section go? It used to be on the main page of the NR website.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:35:54 -0700 |
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Avete Sextus Apollonius et Omnes,
----- Original Message -----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A Modest Proposal and the landproject
Salvete Honored Consul and Omnes,
if I may, I would like to answer your post:
Sulla: Please feel free to respond to my post.
> I sincerely appreciate your ideas and input but I do not think, in my
> personal opinion, that Nova Roma is ready for land, in the short-term. Even
> if we had 5 years of steady revenue (hopefully it would increase every year
> as well). The purchase of land is a huge investment that in many ways we are
> just not ready to jump into. We seriously need to think this through.
This is definitely true. However, I think NR has the potential and we have to
set the base for the future.
Sulla: I think we all do too, that is why we are here, but the potential you see is not the potential I see. I think we need to master the tasks that we currently must have. That means getting the Eagle out regularly to those customers who have already paid. That also means promoting the tax system that we have to get participation other than the 14% that paid last year. That also means finding ways to get our citizens more involved in areas that do not involve their pocketbook (ie. more intellectual pursuits). If we are successful, and people find Nova Roma stimulating (and not out for their money) when we do have fundraising events and such they will be more likely interested to participate.
> Beyond that many of our citizens were extremely displeased about the fact
> that taxes were imposed in the first place, and then amount of the tax upset
> people as well. Now you want to go well beyond the $12.00 a year (which
> only about 14% of our citizens paid in the first place.) It is highly
> unlikely that anyone beyond most of the Senators will pay for it. I state
> this based on my understanding of taxes, and their role and purpose. For
> people to pay taxes there has to be a benefit derived from paying it.
> Especially in an organization where paying taxes is optional we have to
> provide a valuable service to our citizens to motivate them to pay it. Based
> on some emails, conversations and meetings I have had with some of our
> citizens land in and of itself is not much of a motivation.
I agree again. We are in the terrible circle where we need money to grow but we
need to grow to get money... Only the energy of our dedicated citizens and time
can break this circle.
Sulla: I disagree, we do not "need" money. According to the Aerium Saturni (our financial section) our expenses are covered with money left over (not allot mind you). So, the essence of need is not there. We would like to have more money donated so that we can do more projects, better insure and protect Nova Roma, donate funds to our governors to promote local activity and growth. But for the purpose of strictly land is in my opinion a bad idea. If we set aside a small portion of each donation for land while utilizing the remainder of the funds for projects that will directly benefit Nova Roma in the short term, then I agree with you there. Growth in Nova Roma will only continue to happen if there is a dedicated marketing aspect done in our local (provincal) levels, and if we are not viewed as out for money. And, I am speaking as an individual who has spoken for imposing a system of tax from day one.
> There are many steps that we must complete before we get to that point.
> First, we need a system of laws implemented and have ways to enforce them,
> because when we get land this will be absolutely necessary. Second, we will
> need to present a stable source of revenue for a sustained period of time, to
> pay for the expenses that land will inevitably bring to Nova Roma. We must
> also plan for the expenditures of maintaining any land that we do purchase
> (maintenance, insurance, taxes to any macronation that the land is located).
> Then we will have to decide on just what we are going to do with the land,
> insure the property and focus on development.
True. The NRLandProject has been set to answers those questions. We should
present ourselves as a "think tank" in order to solve all of this.
Sulla: Yes, but I do not even think we are at that stage to necessitate a "think tank." In a decade, maybe. When Nova Roma reaches 10,000 active citizens who all pay taxes, perhaps. But now with only 14% of our population paying the tax of $12.00 a year? No, its not needed, in my opinion. Instead we should focus on getting more well known within academic circles, establish outreaches in local universities, have provincial gatherings that are advertised via various media outlets, establish a Roman Days in Europe, Western US, Southern US and Canada and we should focus on education within the gens and outside.
Sulla: To sum up, I believe we ought to build a positive track record and focus on short term projects that can be completed within a few months to a year. That will enhance our reputation and by accomplishing that it will be easier to recruit new citizens, who will hopefully remain active. This will be a huge asset to Nova Roma in the years to come and when we are stable enough to contemplate the purchase of real estate we will have a solid reputation behind us so that when we ask for donations they will come more eagerly.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Aerium Saturnii |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:50:29 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salve Consul,
> Where did our financial section go? It used to be on the main page of
> the NR website.
With the site reorganization earlier this year, it's now considered
part of the "Collis Capitolinus" section; the main "Collis Capitolinus"
page has the link to the Aerarium Saturni.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:36:16 +0200 |
|
Salvete Honored Consul and Omnes,
>I sincerely appreciate your ideas and input but I do not think, in my
>personal opinion, that Nova Roma is ready for land, in the short-term.
>Even if we had 5 years of steady revenue (hopefully it would increase every
>year as well). The purchase of land is a huge investment that in many ways we
>are just not ready to jump into. We seriously need to think this through.
>
>This is definitely true. However, I think NR has the potential and we have
>to set the base for the future.
>
>Sulla: I think we all do too, that is why we are here, but the potential
>you see is not the potential I see. I think we need to master the tasks that
>we currently must have. That means getting the Eagle out regularly to those
>customers who have already paid. That also means promoting the tax system
>that we have to get participation other than the 14% that paid last year.
>That also means finding ways to get our citizens more involved in areas that
>do not involve their pocketbook (ie. more intellectual pursuits). If we are
>successful, and people find Nova Roma stimulating (and not out for their
>money) when we do have fundraising events and such they will be more likely
>interested to participate.
Honored Consul, we both agree on this!! I was only being specific about the
NRLandProject. I do not foresee any land purchase for the time being. However,
buying and managing Land demands at first a legal and fiscal frame. It will
have to be implemented as well in accordance to the general goals and means of
NovaRoma. This takes a long time and it is preferable to already think about it.
>Beyond that many of our citizens were extremely displeased about the fact
>that taxes were imposed in the first place, and then amount of the tax
>upset people as well. Now you want to go well beyond the $12.00 a year(which
>only about 14% of our citizens paid in the first place.) It is highly
>unlikely that anyone beyond most of the Senators will pay for it. I
>state this based on my understanding of taxes, and their role and purpose.
>For people to pay taxes there has to be a benefit derived from paying it.
>Especially in an organization where paying taxes is optional we have to
>provide a valuable service to our citizens to motivate them to pay it.
>Based on some emails, conversations and meetings I have had with some of our
>citizens land in and of itself is not much of a motivation.
>
> I agree again. We are in the terrible circle where we need money to grow
> but we need to grow to get money... Only the energy of our dedicated citizens
> and time can break this circle.
>
>Sulla: I disagree, we do not "need" money. According to the Aerium
>Saturni (our financial section) our expenses are covered with money left over
>(not allot mind you). So, the essence of need is not there. We would like
>to have more money donated so that we can do more projects, better insure and
>protect Nova Roma, donate funds to our governors to promote local activity
>and growth. But for the purpose of strictly land is in my opinion a bad
>idea. If we set aside a small portion of each donation for land while
>utilizing the remainder of the funds for projects that will directly benefit
>Nova Roma in the short term, then I agree with you there. Growth in Nova
>Roma will only continue to happen if there is a dedicated marketing aspect
>done in our local (provincal) levels, and if we are not viewed as out for
>money. And, I am speaking as an individual who has spoken for imposing a
>system of tax from day one.
I would like to be as clear as possible: the NRLandProject is not in a position
to raise any money so far. And of course, it is also true that we will not ask
a tax raise to finance it!!
>There are many steps that we must complete before we get to that point.
>First, we need a system of laws implemented and have ways to enforce
>them, because when we get land this will be absolutely necessary. Second, we
>will need to present a stable source of revenue for a sustained period of
>time, to pay for the expenses that land will inevitably bring to Nova Roma.
>We must also plan for the expenditures of maintaining any land that we do
>purchase (maintenance, insurance, taxes to any macronation that the land is
>located). Then we will have to decide on just what we are going to do with the
>land, insure the property and focus on development.
>
>True. The NRLandProject has been set to answers those questions. We should
>present ourselves as a "think tank" in order to solve all of this.
>
>Sulla: Yes, but I do not even think we are at that stage to necessitate a
>"think tank." In a decade, maybe. When Nova Roma reaches 10,000 active
>citizens who all pay taxes, perhaps. But now with only 14% of our population
>paying the tax of $12.00 a year? No, its not needed, in my opinion. Instead
>we should focus on getting more well known within academic circles, establish
>outreaches in local universities, have provincial gatherings that are
>advertised via various media outlets, establish a Roman Days in Europe,
>Western US, Southern US and Canada and we should focus on education within
>the gens and outside.
I would agree with you, Honored Consul, but setting up an organisation
dedicated to the management of Land requires a lot of time and a lot of work.
This is not the type of investment that can be decided on the spot. If we fail
in our work, if we do not know all the details of the legislation, the whole
building might just collapse.
For those reasons, it seems prudent to already begin thinking about it.
Furthermore, the work that will be done, that is, roughly, going through the
legislations of a lot of countries, will definitely be useful for other
projects and to NR as a whole. And I will of course share the work done with
whoever in NR might find it useful!!
>
>Sulla: To sum up, I believe we ought to build a positive track record and
>focus on short term projects that can be completed within a few months to a
>year. That will enhance our reputation and by accomplishing that it will be
>easier to recruit new citizens, who will hopefully remain active. This will
>be a huge asset to Nova Roma in the years to come and when we are stable
>enough to contemplate the purchase of real estate we will have a solid
>reputation behind us so that when we ask for donations they will come more
>eagerly.
This I agree of course. But we can do this while already thinking about the
project.
Respectfully,
--
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The Head of the Caelius family |
| From: |
William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT) |
|
I am trying to join up, and I await confirmation of my
application. I tried to contact the above individual,
but the e-mail address is a bad one. Anyone have any
ideas?
Will
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: A CHALLANGE ABOUT THE LUDI VICTOIRIA CULTURAL |
| From: |
Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:21:32 -0600 |
|
Salve,
Were there any formats to followed, anything of that nature?
Vale,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus [mailto:richmal@attbi.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 7:58 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A CHALLANGE ABOUT THE LUDI
VICTOIRIA CULTURAL AWARD
Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Caeso Fabius Quintilianus >
> Where are Illustris Marcus Minucius Audens, Illustris
Tiberius
> Apollonius Cicatrix, Illustris Gaius Cassius Nerva,
Illustra
Vopisca
> Iulia Cocceia, Honorable Quintus Classius Clavus,
Honorable Manius
> Constantinus Serapio, Honorable Tiberius Annaeus Otho,
Honorable
> Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili, Honorable Caius Annaeus
Lucanus
> Otho, Honorable Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus and Honorable
Marcus
> Octavius Solaris? We know that You are wonderful authors
and still
no
> texts from You to the Ludi Victoria Cultural Award?
I thank you for placing me in such august company. As the
winner of
the last Cultural Award, I thought it best to sit out this
contest.
Since you word it as a challenge I will have to sit down
with my Muse
and make her work a little overtime. <G>
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:26:05 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete omnia,
I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
displeased.
Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
somewhat fair price.
Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
(in R$) is 0% higher.
So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
´living according to the human dignity´.
I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing his values from
country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the GNP
per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
personally praise all senators that support it.
The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
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Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:33:48 -0700 |
|
Ave, Lucius Arminius,
Don't worry, there is no way we are going to impose a $100.00 tax per citizen.
If individual citizens want to donate $100.00 that is all well and good, and we should have a system in place that recognizes that kind of contribution. (This was something else I wanted to try to implement as Consul). The idea I had would be a section on the NR website that would list each citizen who contributed above and beyond the tax. And even a monthly announcement on the ML and NR announce list as a means of thanking those individuals for their contribution. Secunda Cornelia Valeria came up with this idea earlier this year and I feel this is an excellent idea that gives recognition to those who want to contribute extra funds above and beyond the base tax.
But to impose that kind of tax is just not realistic.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:26 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
Salvete omnia,
I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
displeased.
Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
somewhat fair price.
Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
(in R$) is 0% higher.
So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
´living according to the human dignity´.
I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing his values from
country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the GNP
per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
personally praise all senators that support it.
The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
Se de ócio estou, divirto-me escrevendo,
Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...
Satira Quarta, Horácio
---------------------------------
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:04:10 +0200 |
|
Salve Honorable Lucius Arminius Faustus!
I am all for the variable tax, somehow connected to the GNP. I am
also for the Land project, but I _don't_ think we should put most of
our tax money in buying land. Let us first grow, both by motivating
the capiti censi to become assudui and by recruiting more citizens.
Most of the money for land projects must come from donation at the
moment.
>I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
>displeased.
>
>Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
>the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
>
>When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
>somewhat fair price.
>
>Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
>
>In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
>(in R$) is 0% higher.
>
>So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
>entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
>´living according to the human dignity´.
>
>I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
>must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing
>his values from
>country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the GNP
>per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
>personally praise all senators that support it.
>
>The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
>1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
>kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
>naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
>
>
>
>Vale bene in pacem deorum,
>
>
>L. Arminius Faustus
>
>Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
>
>Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
>
>Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Justica, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Priestesses of Venus? |
| From: |
"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:18:14 -0000 |
|
I had a "What the HECK is this BASED on?" moment yesterday. While
bopping around on the 'net I came across this a couple of Wicca info
sites (including the "The Sybilline Order"):
"The temples of Venus were schools of instruction in a technique of
sexual-spiritual enlightenment known as Venia. Romans educated in the
sexual arts by the Venerii (priestesses) were taught that the moment
of death was the ultimate sexual union, the consummation of the
sacred marriage promised by the religion of Venus. Ovid, an initiate
of these mysteries, requested, "...Let me go in the act of coming to
Venus; in more senses than one let my last dying be
done..."(Cavendish 51). "To die" was a common metaphor for sexual
orgasm, as Ovid seems to imply (Shadock 544)."
Sigh. I hate when people can't be bothered to cite primary sources.
And I really hate when very oblique primary source references - here
to Ovid - are made and the secondary source sited. Ovid wrote alot
of stuff: it would nice if the work was noted so we had an idea of
context.
As it is, I have always had an interest in the sex history. And I
have never come across this (above) in my admittedly patchy research.
Even my books on sacred sexuality come up empty.
Can somebody shed some light on this supposed factoid?
Lucia Sallustia Albania
(citizenship pending)
|
| Subject: |
RES: [Nova-Roma] Welcome, Gabrielatus! |
| From: |
"Titus Gabrielatus Genialis" <tggenialis@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:10:41 -0300 |
|
Salve,
Thank you very much, L. Faustus!
I hope I can really help....
Vale!
T. Genialis
tggenialis@yahoo.com.br
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Lucius Arminius Faustus [mailto:lafaustus@yahoo.com.br]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 14 de outubro de 2002 07:41
Para: Decuria de Interpretes; LISTONA
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Welcome, Gabrielatus!
Salve,
I must most warmly welcome my friend Titus Gabrielatus! Yes, I gave him my
Imperium to help Nova Roma in everything... and particulary being our most
dedicated colaborator on Portuguese Translations!!!
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
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Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] The Head of the Caelius family |
| From: |
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:05:06 -0700 (PDT) |
|
[posted to Nova-Roma and e-mailed]
William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am trying to join up, and I await confirmation of
> my application. I tried to contact the above
> individual, but the e-mail address is a bad one.
> Anyone have any ideas?
Have you contacted the Censors about this? If not,
then you should write to censors@novaroma.org and
explain the steps you have taken. They are the
magistrates best empowered to help you in this matter.
=====
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Scribus Legitimus to Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Two Announcements |
| From: |
"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:03:56 -0000 |
|
AVE OPTIME CONSVL OCTAVI GERMANICE
> The Main List archives have been reformatted and reindexed. Monthly
> and daily indexes have been built, and each message title is now a
> link directly to that message. The message files themselves have
> been converted from text to HTML, cleaned up, with nonessential
> message headers removed, and quoted text colorized. The past four
> months have also been added to the archives.
I really thank you! Many, many thanks for this impressive work! It
will surely be very useful for a lot of citizens which have to do
research in the Nova Roma archives.
I for one have recently went through these archives because of a
research for the Land Project. I am sure that any further work on the
archives will really be easier now!
BENE VALE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
Scriba Translationvm Primvs Academiae Thvles
------------------------------
AFRICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
http://www.geocities.com/africa_septentrionalis/index.html
PROVINCIA ITALIA
http://italia.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:35:27 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Avete Omnes,
>
> I sincerely appreciate your ideas and input but I do not think, in
>my personal opinion, that Nova Roma is ready for land, in the short-
>term.
First I must say that I'm in complete agreement with Lucius Cornelius
(first time for anything, right Lucius <wink>) not just for the very
legitimate reasons he listed (that were snipped for brevity) but I
can not think of a single reason that ownership of real estate is a
neccessity. The first question that comes to my mind when talking
about land is; what purpose would the land serve? I'm unable to
imagine any purpose at this stage that land and/or buildings would
serve.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Modest Proposal and the landproject |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:04:10 +0200 |
|
Salvete,
> about land is; what purpose would the land serve? I'm unable to
> imagine any purpose at this stage that land and/or buildings would
> serve.
this is included in the Declaration of Nova Roma:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/declaration_novaroma.html
The NRLandProject is aimed at giving answers to your questions and at
respecting our legislation.
It is obvious that NR cannot buy anything for the time being and for some long
time. This project has for goals so far to gather enough information and to set
up a program in order to be ready when it will be time. Needless to say that
such information will be useful for the Republic as a whole. We are a
micronation, however we will be obliged to interact with the macronations the
sooner or the later.
Valete,
--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Priestesses of Venus? |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:08:23 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : ms_m2you <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca>
>done...“(Cavendish 51). “To die“ was a common metaphor for sexual
>orgasm, as Ovid seems to imply (Shadock 544).“
>
It is also so in French. If you think about it, the term applies much more to men than to women.
>
>Can somebody shed some light on this supposed factoid?
>
It sounds like the kind of thing pagans tend to call Fluffbunny. That is, presumed factual origins for vague similarities which usually turn out to be even vaguer when traced to their origins - when they have origins. That sort of thing probably went on in some temples and may still do in India. It is unlikely that official Roman religion had that kind of ecstatic approach and depth. Much more likely that the word Orgy acquired its present meaning through the Greek religious rite in a similar way that some people invent 'Satanic' ceremonies from a bit of this and a bit of what seems nasty to spice their sex life up.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] A CHALLANGE ABOUT THE LUDI VICTOIRIA CULTURAL |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:02:39 +0200 |
|
Salve Amice!
>Salve,
>
>>Where are ... Honorable Tiberius Annaeus Otho, Honorable
>>Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili ...? We know that You are wonderful authors
>and >still no
>>texts from You to the Ludi Victoria Cultural Award?
>
>For the two people named above, I can give you a very good answer. I, for
>my part, was on my honeymoon and I had sent a message of absence to this
>very list! Varus spent the last 2 weeks on holiday with his family and also
>wrote a message of absence. For the other people, who by the way always
>wrote better pieces than we did, I don't have any idea!!!
>
>Start writing!!!
Thank You very much! I couldn't have said it better. ;-)
>Valete bene,
>Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
>Lictor curiatus
>Translator linguae Germanicae
>Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
>Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
>Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
>Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
>
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Justica, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] HISPANIA- EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM IX |
| From: |
"Laietanus" <laietanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:29:00 +0200 |
|
EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM IX - DE CONVOCATIONE COMITIA PROVINCIALIA
Ex Oficio Propraetoris Hispaniae
Todos los ciudadanos de Hispania son convocados mediante este edicto a participar en la elección del nuevo Consilium provincial y del próximo candidato a la propraetura que la provincia presentará al Senado de Novaroma en el momento de mi renuncia, una vez cumplido el año de mi nombramiento.
Esta convocatoria de los comicios provinciales se realiza en cumplimiento del Curiaconsultum de Electione Provinciale (Mart. MMDCCCLIV auc) [EDICTVM VIII - DE CONSENSV CVRIAE HISPANIAE] Asimismo, los comicios se llevarán a cabo de acuerdo con lo estipulado en el Curiaeconsultum de provincialibus comitiis. Todos los detalles referentes a estos comicios están a disposición de todos los cives en:
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/comitia.htm
La votación tendrá lugar en la lista provincial:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrhispania/
Promulgado con el soporte previo de la Curia Hispánica, hoy a.d.
id. Oct. MMDCCIV auc, año del consulado de Marcus Octavius
Germanicus y Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
Lucius Minicius Laietanus
Propraetor Hispaniae
===============================================================================
EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM IX - DE CONVOCATIONE COMITIA PROVINCIALIA
Ex Oficio Propraetoris Hispaniae
All citizens from Hispania are herewith called to vote in the election of the new Consilium and the next candidate to the provincial propraetorship which will be submitted to the Senate of Novaroma at the moment of my resignation, just after a year of my appointment will be accomplished.
This calling to provincial elections is given according to the Curiaconsultum de Electione Provinciale [passed in the EDICTVM VIII - DE CONSENSV CVRIAE HISPANIAE] and its the development will adjust to what is established in the Curiaeconsultum de provincialibus comitiis which is herewith passed.
All details concerning to this comitia may be consulted in the site:
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/comitia.htm
The casting of votes will take place in the provincial mail list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrhispania/
This edict is issued with the previous support of the Curia
Hispanica, today , ad. id. Oct, MMDCCIV auc, in the year of
Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
consulship.
Lucius Minicius Laietanus
Propraetor Hispaniae
COMITIA PROVINCIALIA 2002: FIAT LVX!
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/comitia.htm
SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE: ELIGE I VOTA TU OPCION
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/sim1.htm
POST-EMERITA 2002: ENTERATE DE COMO FUE!
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/merida2.htm
SALVE, NAVTA, IN GRATAM TERRAM HISPANIAE!
http://www.geocities.com/nrhispania
TOMVLVS BONVS POPVLI HISPANI
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrhispania/
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] HISPANIA - EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM X |
| From: |
"Laietanus" <laietanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:30:58 +0200 |
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EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM X - DE SIMBOLORVM PROVINCIALIBUS
Relativo al resultado de la elección de los símbolos y divinidades provinciales.
Ex Oficio Propraetoris Hispaniae
I.- Símbolos provinciales : en cumplimiento con el CVRIAECONSVLTVM DE ELECTIONE SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE y una vez terminada la consulta a los ciudadanos de Hispania sobre el particular, proclamo que la elección de la bandera provincial ha recaído en la propuesta 9, presentada por Salix Davianus, en la que aparece la imagen de Hispania sobre fondo rojo y dos cenefas grecas en los bordes superior e inferior según puede verse en:
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/sim1.htm
Esta imagen identifica oficialmente a partir de hoy a la provincia y deberá por lo tanto ser visible en el website provincial y en aquellos otros espacios que se considere oportuno.
II- Divinidades provinciales: en cumplimiento con el CVRIAECONSVLTVM DE ELECTIONE SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE y una vez terminada la consulta a los ciudadanos de Hispania sobre el particular, proclamo que la elección de la tríada de divinidades patronales de la provincia ha recaído en CERES, TANIT y BACO. Como divinidades protectoras de la provincia de Hispania , todos los ciudadanos de Hispania tenemos a partir de hoy un especial compromiso para con el mantenimiento de su culto.
Promulgado con el soporte previo de la Curia Hispánica, hoy a.d.
id. Oct. MMDCCIV auc, año del consulado de Marcus Octavius
Germanicus y Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
Lucius Minicius Laietanus
Propraetor Hispaniae
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EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM X - DE SIMBOLORVM PROVINCIALIBUS
Concerning to the results of the election of the provincial symbols and divinities.
Ex Oficio Propraetoris Hispaniae
I.- Provincial symbols: according with CVRIAECONSVLTVM DE ELECTIONE SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE and once accomplished the public consult to the citizens of Hispania on the matter, I publicly announce that the election of the official provincial flag has fallen upon the proposal num. 9 by Salix Davianus, in which it is represented the image of Hispania over red background and two yellow stripes on the borders as showed in :
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/sim1.htm
This image will officially identify the provincia Hispania from now on and it should then be showed in the provincial website and in any other official sites.
II- Provincial divinities: according with CVRIAECONSVLTVM DE ELECTIONE SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE and once accomplished the public consult to the citizens of Hispania on the matter, I publicly announce that the election of the triad official provincial deities has fallen upon CERES, TANIT and BACO. As protecting deities of our provincia,, all cives of Hispania will be specially committed with the maintenance of their cult in our community.
This edict is issued with the previous support of the Curia
Hispanica, today , ad. id. Oct, MMDCCIV auc, in the year of
Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
consulship.
Lucius Minicius Laietanus
Propraetor Hispaniae
COMITIA PROVINCIALIA 2002: FIAT LVX!
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/comitia.htm
SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE: ELIGE I VOTA TU OPCION
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/sim1.htm
POST-EMERITA 2002: ENTERATE DE COMO FUE!
http://www.geocities.com/aiaxes/merida2.htm
SALVE, NAVTA, IN GRATAM TERRAM HISPANIAE!
http://www.geocities.com/nrhispania
TOMVLVS BONVS POPVLI HISPANI
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrhispania/
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Priestesses of Venus? |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina- Pagan World" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:36:30 +0200 |
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Hi Lucia,
As a self-proclaimed Priestess of Venus :-) I have to admit that I have
never heard of that either. I have only heard that sacred prostitution was
practicied in the temple of Venus Cythera in Sicily, but not all that stuff
that you had quoted. But I am really curious. Can you send me the address of
the website that you quoted below? I'd like to email them.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] VLC: last day !!! |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:58:50 +0200 |
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Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
HURRY UP, ROMANS!!!
This is the last day to subscribe the VICTORIAE LUDI CIRCENSES, the virtual
races organized by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
This is the last opportunity for you to partecipe for the year 2755 because
it's the last edition open to everybody.
So, hurry up, we have only 20 players and we need other 12!!!
Please, visit http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/vlc.htm
to read the regulations and send your subscrition to
salixgalaicus@hotmail.com
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: VLC: last day !!! |
| From: |
"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:37:03 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> HURRY UP, ROMANS!!!
> This is the last day to subscribe the VICTORIAE LUDI CIRCENSES, the
virtual races organized by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus.
> This is the last opportunity for you to partecipe for the year 2755
because it's the last edition open to everybody.
> So, hurry up, we have only 20 players and we need other 12!!!
Please, visit
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/vlc.htm
> to read the regulations and send your subscrition to
salixgalaicus@h...
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> -------------------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
> Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
> Scriba Curatoris Araneum
> -------------------------------------------
Eheu! I could not possibly forget to enter my chariot in the final
races of the year! Ita est, it is done, now join me, O Praesinae! May
the gods grant us victory!
---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net
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