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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Deadline of LVMA
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:45:29 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

HURRY UP, HURRY UP, HURRY UP!!!

Take your Army and fight against the Punian Army in the famous battle of
Canne!
Now you can do it, partecipating to the LUDI VICTORIA MILITARY AWARD, the
first experimental tactical contest organized by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus.

Please, hurry up! Today is the LAST day to send your works!
Read for the last time the regulations of the Award at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/military_award.htm
and send your subscrition to sacro_barese_impero@libero.it

Show your abilities as Roman Commmander and imagine a different end for the
lost battle ...

vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LVC: Subscriptions closed
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:50:35 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

Cingratulations to all of you, we have 32 players for the next Victoriae
Ludi Circenses.
This is the wonderful end for the last open races of the 2755 organized by
Illustrus Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus. We have the
maximum number of charioteers and I can say you that there are many
charriots coloured of Blue and White.

This Ludi seem to be very very very exciting. Tomorrow the line-start.
This is the time-schedule of the races:
----------------------------
October 17:
- Announcement of the start of Quarters Ludi Circenses by C. Fabius
Quintilianus
- Histories of VLC's Quarters by G. Salix Galaicus

October 19:
- Announcement of the start of VLC's Semifinals by C. Fabius Quintilianus
- Histories of VLC's Semifinals by G. Salix Galaicus

October 21:
- Announcement of the start of VLC's Final by C. Fabius Quintilianus
- Announcement of Winner of VLC by C. Fabius Quintilianus
- History of VLC's Final by G. Salix Galaicus
-------------------------------

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:58:51 EDT

The texts will judged by a Jury composed by the four higher Nova Roman
experts of military arts:

- Alexander Solaris Draco, Legatus Militaris Provinciae Italiae
- Marcus Minucius Audens, Praefectus Fabrum of the Sodalitas Militarium
- Gallio Velius Marsallas, Co-Commander of the Sodalitas Militarium
- Caius Flavius Diocletianus, Legate Legionis Group Sodalitas Militarium

Citizens of Rome.
Two of the foremost experts in Roman military history here, myself and A.
Gryllus Grechus were left off this list. And we are both published authors!
Why you might ask yourself did this happened? Why because we do not support
the politics of the above four. I myself was never asked. I cannot be sure
of Gryllus.
It is a sad day indeed when political fractures determine who will do what in
Nova Roma. I am pleased to say, that in the College of Pontiffs, I was not
banned from voting because I disagreed with the Pontifix Maximus' politics
earlier in the month. In fact he went out of his way to make sure I was
included in the vote.

The whole exercise is moot anyway. You have the advantage of hindsight in
making your call.
The Romans made four fundamental mistakes, on which the blame was pinned on
poor Varro.
I. The legiones were hastily raised. They had not completed their training
before taking the field. How is one going to rectify that?
II. The triarii (third line) were left in the Roman camp. Therefore there
was no experienced troops guarding the legiones rear. I suppose they could
be brought along. But who will guard the camp? The accensii?
III. The Roman equites dismounted before fighting. This according to the
chroniclers was major mistake, since the Gallic and Spanish heavy horse made
short work of them. So keep the equities mounted?
IV. Since the maniples were untrained they were kept in "locked shield"
(synaspismos) formation, because they couldn't maneuver like trained and
drilled Romans. So open the intervals to 6 feet?

At this point one can see I know a lot about Cannae. I have written several
papers on the battle, built a diorama for a museum, and recreated the battle
in miniature.
The point is, the way the Romans win Cannae is not to fight it. Follow the
example of my spiritual ancestor, and keep away from Hannibal until he quits
Italy, or a commander of his caliber comes along on the Roman side. And then
give him a proper army.

Finally to the organizers, might I suggest recreating a Roman civil war
battle? More awards were given out for heroism in those then the Punic war.
At least according to Caesar and Appianus.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Opening of the Ludi Victoria
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:57:50 -0400

As our excellent Aedile and his staff prepare to open the Ludi
Victoria, it is my honor to offer the following prayer to Victory. It
is not intended as a prayer for any particular war or conflict; indeed,
it is my hope that our macronations' military forces be employed in
peaceful, productive activities.

=====

With head covered I stand before the altar of Victoria, having cleansed
myself in preparation for offering:

Victoria, you who give glory in war, you who inspire the soldier to
valor, you who protect our armies and our lands, as it is right and
proper this day to make offering to you, so do I offer you this wine.

May you be honored by this offering, that our homes, our children, our
farms and our cities may be safe, that our warriors be brave and swift,
that our commanders be wise and fortunate, that their advisors be
honorable and their knowledge true. May you be honored, that our
warriors’ horses and engines of battle be swift and sure in their
purpose. May you be honored, that those who reap the glories of your
victory be those who have fought not to magnify themselves, but to do
honor to their gods, their families and their nation.

Victoria, for all the glories of Roma Antiqua do I give thanks. With
this offering, noble Goddess, I ask your blessings on those of Nova
Roma who undertake military duty, whether on land or by sea. Let their
bravery and service be given due honor by those whom they protect.

Victoria, that you may be honored we offer you these games. If any win
glory here, if any find delight in the entertainment, let them honor
you as well!

Illicet! So be it!

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] THE OPENING OF LUDI VICTORIA
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:23:15 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I HEREBY OPEN THE LUDI VICTORIA!

This Ludi will be going on from the 16th of October to the 1st of
November. This is the last Ludi during my term as Senior Curule
Aedile. During this Ludi we celebrate the victories of Roma Antiqua
and Nova Roma, in the past, now and in the future!

Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis Illustra Patricia Cassi will be
responsible for organizing the Religiuous Celebrations during the
16th of September and later during the 24 of October!

Below follows a list of the contents of the Ludi Victoria, which form
the Nova Roman version of the Ludi. In Roma Antiqua Ludi Victoria
were celebrated as a homage to the Goddess of victory, Victoria.

The Ludi will present the following events:

1) Religiuous Celebrations of Victoria - October 16
2) Theatre and Deadline LVCA- October 18
3) Ludi Victoriae Military Award - October 20
4) Victoriae Ludi Circenses- October 21
5) Ludi Victoriae Cultural Award - October 22
6) The Sibilyan Oracle - October 23
7) Religiuous Celebrations - October 24
8) History of a Roman Victory - October 26
9) Victoriae Music Concert - October 27
10) Herculaneum: "Villa dei Papyri" - October 29
11) Theatre: "Virgilius: Aeneis" - October 31
12) Maximi Ludi Circenses - 1st November

To follow the program of the Ludi Victoria go to
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/index.htm
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Justica, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] ROMAN AND GREEK LITERATURE
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:26:24 +0000

That is very impressive. Will that be bilingual, by any chance?

Vale

Galerius Peregrinator.

>From: "csorik janos" <csorikjanos@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] ROMAN AND GREEK LITERATURE
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:24:17 +0300
>
>Salvete,
>
>I am making a web site about ancient latin and greek literature. I want
>to...

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] THE OPENING OF LUDI VICTORIA
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:33:20 +0200


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Trip to Italia
From:	"alexprobus1" <alexprobus1@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:47:01 -0000

Salvete Qvirites,

I would like to announce that today I am travelling to Italia on a
business trip /participation in a workshop/ to Modena, Italia. I
shall be available there till Saturday evening and would be very glad
to meet any of Romans living there or in the nearest area. We could
discuss development in our provinces and general issues in the
Republic.
I shall stay in the hotel "Europe", Corso Vittorio Emanuele str. No
52 in Modena. To arrange apointment you can call to reception and
they could you join to my room. My legal name is Alexander
Hadzhiivanov.

Bene valete

Alexander I.C. Probus M.
Senator, Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Trip to Italia
From:	"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:59:49 -0000

Salve, Alexander Amice.

Have a nice trip, and may the gods smile upon you.

Bene Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor, Senator

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "alexprobus1" <alexprobus1@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Qvirites,
>
> I would like to announce that today I am travelling to Italia on a
> business trip /participation in a workshop/ to Modena, Italia. I
> shall be available there till Saturday evening and would be very
glad
> to meet any of Romans living there or in the nearest area. We could
> discuss development in our provinces and general issues in the
> Republic.
> I shall stay in the hotel "Europe", Corso Vittorio Emanuele str. No
> 52 in Modena. To arrange apointment you can call to reception and
> they could you join to my room. My legal name is Alexander
> Hadzhiivanov.
>
> Bene valete
>
> Alexander I.C. Probus M.
> Senator, Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[novaroma=5Feurope]_Trip_to_Italia?=
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franciscus_Apulus_Caesar?=" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:11:34 +0200

Salve Illustrus Senator Alexander I.C. Probus M.,

I'm very honourated to welcome you in my wonderful Land, the Provincia
Italia is ready to help you for everything you want.

About the meeting with some Nova Romans, in the region of Modena
(Emilia Romagna) there is a lot of active citizens, many members of the
wonderful Gens Solaria.
They are in Bologna and you can contact the Pater Familias and Legatus
Provinciae Illustrus Alexander Solaris Draco romanvs@inwind.it or
Aelius Solaris Marullinus at info@libertango.org
In Modena there is some Apulus, Marcus, Agrippina and Claudia Apula. I
don't read a their maessage from this summer but yu can contact their
at stefano.trivisani@tin.it
I'm sorry, I live in the South of Italy (Bari) 800 km far to Bologna.
If you decide to come in the "South of the Europe" ;-) please contact
me, I'll very very happy to meet you.

Please contact me for further informations. Good Holidays in Italy!

Vale bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

> Salvete Qvirites,
>
> I would like to announce that today I am travelling to Italia on a
> business trip /participation in a workshop/ to Modena, Italia. I
> shall be available there till Saturday evening and would be very glad
> to meet any of Romans living there or in the nearest area. We could
> discuss development in our provinces and general issues in the
> Republic.
> I shall stay in the hotel "Europe", Corso Vittorio Emanuele str. No
> 52 in Modena. To arrange apointment you can call to reception and
> they could you join to my room. My legal name is Alexander
> Hadzhiivanov.
>
> Bene valete
>
> Alexander I.C. Probus M.
> Senator, Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: [novaroma_europe] Trip to Italia
From:	"alexprobus1" <alexprobus1@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:36:44 -0000

Salve Propraetor,

Thank you very much for your friendly and warm responce. I will try
to reach some of the Romans living in Modena or close neighbour area.
Actualy I do not think I shall need any assistance there since that
is a business trip and all have been prepared and arranged by my
colleagues in the office. Anyway I would not like to miss the chance
to meet with peoples sharing the same passion as me moreover from
different province /and to be frank from so special province like
Italia/. That is my first visit to Italia at all and I feel very
excited.
Thank you again for the assistance and be welcome in Pannonia if one
day you will travel thatward.

Bene vale

Alexander I.C. Probus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Salve Illustrus Senator Alexander I.C. Probus M.,
>
> I'm very honourated to welcome you in my wonderful Land, the
Provincia
> Italia is ready to help you for everything you want.
>
> About the meeting with some Nova Romans, in the region of Modena
> (Emilia Romagna) there is a lot of active citizens, many members of
the
> wonderful Gens Solaria.
> They are in Bologna and you can contact the Pater Familias and
Legatus
> Provinciae Illustrus Alexander Solaris Draco romanvs@i... or
> Aelius Solaris Marullinus at info@l...
> In Modena there is some Apulus, Marcus, Agrippina and Claudia
Apula. I
> don't read a their maessage from this summer but yu can contact
their
> at stefano.trivisani@t...
> I'm sorry, I live in the South of Italy (Bari) 800 km far to
Bologna.
> If you decide to come in the "South of the Europe" ;-) please
contact
> me, I'll very very happy to meet you.
>
> Please contact me for further informations. Good Holidays in Italy!
>
> Vale bene
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
>


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Trip to Italia
From:	"alexprobus1" <alexprobus1@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:38:18 -0000

Salve mi carissime Diocletiane,

Thank you very much for your care and good wish.

Bene vale

Alexander
>
> Salve, Alexander Amice.
>
> Have a nice trip, and may the gods smile upon you.
>
> Bene Vale
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
> Censor, Senator
>


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Digest Number 205
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:47:29 -0400

Salve, Alexander Amice.

Have a nice trip, and may the gods smile upon you.

Bene Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor, Senator

Salve, Senator Probus

Yes, please be careful so that you may return home safely. Let us all pray
that one day soon we all may return to a time when we can travel without
worry.

Bonam Fortunam et vale
Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "alexprobus1" <alexprobus1@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Qvirites,
>
> I would like to announce that today I am travelling to Italia on a
> business trip /participation in a workshop/ to Modena, Italia. I
> shall be available there till Saturday evening and would be very
glad
> to meet any of Romans living there or in the nearest area. We could
> discuss development in our provinces and general issues in the
> Republic.
> I shall stay in the hotel "Europe", Corso Vittorio Emanuele str. No
> 52 in Modena. To arrange apointment you can call to reception and
> they could you join to my room. My legal name is Alexander
> Hadzhiivanov.
>
> Bene valete
>
> Alexander I.C. Probus M.
> Senator, Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Foundation of a new Vicus in the province Germania Superior
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:08 +0200

Salvete omnes,

The legate of Germania Superior ordered me to translate the following edict
of foundation of a new 'vicus' in the province of Germania Superior.

----------

E DOMO LEGATI GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS

EDICTUM LEGATI

WITH THE POWER GIVEN TO ME BY MY WORK AS LEGATUS GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS OF
NOVA ROMA, I, QUINTUS QUINCTILIUS VARUS GALILI, HEREBY FOUND THE

VICUS BASILIA
IN THE COLONIA AUGUSTA RAURICA

AT THE SAME TIME, I ANNOUNCE THAT

SUSANNA QUINCTILIA FORNARIA LUCULLINA

WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEWLY FOUNDED VICUS. SHE THEREFORE RECEIVES
THE RANK OF A

LAUREATA BASILEA.

SO DONE IN THE ANCIENT ROMAN UNIVERSITY OF RHETORICS, THE GYMNASION, ON
THE ISLAND OF RHODOS.

ANTE DIEM V NONAS OCTOBRES ANNO MMDCCLV A.U.C.

QUINTUS QUINCTILIUS VARUS GALILI
LEGATUS GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS

----------

Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Neue Seiten auf Deutsch! / New German pages uploaded
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:23:43 +0200

Salvete omnes quirites,

Die folgenden Zeilen sind zweisprachig Deutsch und Englisch gehalten!

The following text is written bilingually in German and English!

Endlich kommt Schwung in die deutschsprachige Homepage von Nova Roma. Es
wurden viele übersetzte Seiten hochgeladen, welche sich auf Euren Besuch
freuen!

At last some movement comes into the German written of Nova Roma. Many new
pages were uploaded and are now waiting for your visit!

Als offizieller Übersetzer freut mich das ganz besonders!

As the official translator, I am exceptionally pleased by this!

Fragen und Anregungen meldet man bitte direkt an mich!

Questions and corrections should please go directly to me!

SEHT ES EUCH AN! SCHAUT EUCH UM! SURFT WAS DER PC HERGIBT!

TAKE A LOOK AT IT! BROWSE! SURFE AS LONG AS THE PC CAN!

Curate ut valeatis,

Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Dune (was: Priestesses of Venus?)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel=20Dugdale?= <racheledugdale@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:01:40 +0100 (BST)

> I knew it had a familiar ring: 4th or 5th of Frank
> Herbert's eternal 'Dune' series: the Honored Matres.
> Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

Have you been following the preludes? After the
Butlerian Jihad ones they're going to write 'Dune 7'
which will be worth looking forwards to I think!

Gaia Fabia Livia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or those close by!!
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:35:04 -0000

Salve!

I have applied to join Nova-Roma, and I await word from the Censors
on the confirmation of my application.

Is there anyone close to Atlanta? If so, I would be very pleased to
visit with you...and maybe we can get a South Eastern U.S. "reunion"
going!

I would like to get active in Nova Roma, but I am not sure where to
go. If Someone would like a client...let me know!

I am interested in Rome's political system, military, and the culture
in general.

Feel free to write!

Publius Caelius Rufus (Hopefully)


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: ROMAN LITERATURE
From:	"csorik janos" <csorikjanos@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:35 +0300

Salve,

Yes the works that i am planing to put on the site are all in english and
more than half of them in latin too.

UBI CONCORDIA, IBI VICTORIA.
GAIUS MARIUS CRASSUS

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or those close by!!
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:14:06 -0700

Ave,

Please feel free to contact the Propraetor Lucius Sicinius Drusus. He resides in Georgia. His email address is lsinicius@yahoo.com. Please give him some time to respond his father just passed away earlier this week.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: William Rogers
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or those close by!!

Salve!

I have applied to join Nova-Roma, and I await word from the Censors
on the confirmation of my application.

Is there anyone close to Atlanta? If so, I would be very pleased to
visit with you...and maybe we can get a South Eastern U.S. "reunion"
going!

I would like to get active in Nova Roma, but I am not sure where to
go. If Someone would like a client...let me know!

I am interested in Rome's political system, military, and the culture
in general.

Feel free to write!

Publius Caelius Rufus (Hopefully)


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] S--t disturbing Re: Priestesses of Venus?
From:	"Diana Apollonia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:33:42 -0000

Salvete all,
I looked into that website and as far as wicca goes, the group seems
pretty sensible. For example, they don't charge any money for courses
and the recommended reading list is a very solid one, if wicca is
your chosen path. I don't think that the grouop is very large,
despite the nice website: theri are 16 registered users on their
forum.

In any case, I still wonder where they get their info on Venus: see
the quote below where Adonis is the Horned God. Maybe this is a new
style of wicca where Venus and Adonis are the Goddess and the God?
But honestly, I really never heard of Venus being a Triple Goddess of
Birth and Death, but then again, I admit to not knowing
everything....
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
___________
>From the Sybilline Order website:

""Venus was also a Goddess of birth and death, an attribution She
shares with many other Triple-Goddesses. In Her aspect a "Queen of
Shades...She went by the name of Libitina (and was) identified with
Proserpine..."(Walker 1043). Plutarch states that Libitina was only
another name for "...Venus, the Goddess of generation

Venus was first a Goddess of animals, and her consort, the horned God
Adonis, was both the hunter and the sacrificial stag. "Venison"
originally meant Venus' son, and the words "veneration", "venery",
and "venial" were also derived from Her worship (Potter and Sargent
209).""


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:34:30 -0300 (ART)

Salve

--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com escreveu: > The texts will
judged by a Jury composed by the four
> higher Nova Roman
> experts of military arts:
>
> - Alexander Solaris Draco, Legatus Militaris
> Provinciae Italiae
> - Marcus Minucius Audens, Praefectus Fabrum of the
> Sodalitas Militarium
> - Gallio Velius Marsallas, Co-Commander of the
> Sodalitas Militarium
> - Caius Flavius Diocletianus, Legate Legionis Group
> Sodalitas Militarium
>
> Citizens of Rome.
> Two of the foremost experts in Roman military
> history here, myself and A.
> Gryllus Grechus were left off this list. And we are
> both published authors!
> Why you might ask yourself did this happened? Why
> because we do not support
> the politics of the above four. I myself was never
> asked. I cannot be sure
> of Gryllus.

MAIOR: What a strange accusation!
I, by myself think that is reasonable when the
dignissimus Aedilis Curule choose, to this jury,
people that are both impartial, and closer to him.
I was Aedilis last year, and i know how difficult can
be the organization of games.
Perhaps you is in fact the best roman military expert
in Sodalitas Militarium and the whole Nova Roma, but
not everybody knows it; im in Nova Roma for more than
two years, and didnt know that Antonius Gryllus was
such an expert!

[..]
> The whole exercise is moot anyway. You have the
> advantage of hindsight in
> making your call.

MAIOR: Well, at least they are trying... the
aedileship can be hard enough even without criticism.

> The Romans made four fundamental mistakes, on which
> the blame was pinned on
> poor Varro.
> I. The legiones were hastily raised. They had not
> completed their training
> before taking the field. How is one going to
> rectify that?
> II. The triarii (third line) were left in the Roman
> camp. Therefore there
> was no experienced troops guarding the legiones
> rear. I suppose they could
> be brought along. But who will guard the camp? The
> accensii?
> III. The Roman equites dismounted before fighting.
> This according to the
> chroniclers was major mistake, since the Gallic and
> Spanish heavy horse made
> short work of them. So keep the equities mounted?
> IV. Since the maniples were untrained they were kept
> in "locked shield"
> (synaspismos) formation, because they couldn't
> maneuver like trained and
> drilled Romans. So open the intervals to 6 feet?
>
> At this point one can see I know a lot about Cannae.
> I have written several
> papers on the battle, built a diorama for a museum,
> and recreated the battle
> in miniature.
> The point is, the way the Romans win Cannae is not
> to fight it. Follow the
> example of my spiritual ancestor, and keep away from
> Hannibal until he quits
> Italy, or a commander of his caliber comes along on
> the Roman side. And then
> give him a proper army.
>
> Finally to the organizers, might I suggest
> recreating a Roman civil war
> battle? More awards were given out for heroism in
> those then the Punic war.
> At least according to Caesar and Appianus.

MAIOR: I know that you have a lot of knowledge (and
not limited to) about roman history and military, but
i think that only a Aedile that knows how it works can
organize such a feature.
That is, if you will candidate for Aedile next year, i
will vote on you!

> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Vale
Marcus Arminius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:37:29 -0700

Avete Senator,

Senator Q. Fabius Maximus was already a Curule Aedile. He was the Curule Aedile who started the Nova Roma games with Chariot Races (I believe), Gladiator Combats and the Social War (Role Playing Game).

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: M Arminius Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae

Salve

--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com escreveu: > The texts will
judged by a Jury composed by the four
> higher Nova Roman
> experts of military arts:
>
> - Alexander Solaris Draco, Legatus Militaris
> Provinciae Italiae
> - Marcus Minucius Audens, Praefectus Fabrum of the
> Sodalitas Militarium
> - Gallio Velius Marsallas, Co-Commander of the
> Sodalitas Militarium
> - Caius Flavius Diocletianus, Legate Legionis Group
> Sodalitas Militarium
>
> Citizens of Rome.
> Two of the foremost experts in Roman military
> history here, myself and A.
> Gryllus Grechus were left off this list. And we are
> both published authors!
> Why you might ask yourself did this happened? Why
> because we do not support
> the politics of the above four. I myself was never
> asked. I cannot be sure
> of Gryllus.

MAIOR: What a strange accusation!
I, by myself think that is reasonable when the
dignissimus Aedilis Curule choose, to this jury,
people that are both impartial, and closer to him.
I was Aedilis last year, and i know how difficult can
be the organization of games.
Perhaps you is in fact the best roman military expert
in Sodalitas Militarium and the whole Nova Roma, but
not everybody knows it; im in Nova Roma for more than
two years, and didnt know that Antonius Gryllus was
such an expert!

[..]
> The whole exercise is moot anyway. You have the
> advantage of hindsight in
> making your call.

MAIOR: Well, at least they are trying... the
aedileship can be hard enough even without criticism.

> The Romans made four fundamental mistakes, on which
> the blame was pinned on
> poor Varro.
> I. The legiones were hastily raised. They had not
> completed their training
> before taking the field. How is one going to
> rectify that?
> II. The triarii (third line) were left in the Roman
> camp. Therefore there
> was no experienced troops guarding the legiones
> rear. I suppose they could
> be brought along. But who will guard the camp? The
> accensii?
> III. The Roman equites dismounted before fighting.
> This according to the
> chroniclers was major mistake, since the Gallic and
> Spanish heavy horse made
> short work of them. So keep the equities mounted?
> IV. Since the maniples were untrained they were kept
> in "locked shield"
> (synaspismos) formation, because they couldn't
> maneuver like trained and
> drilled Romans. So open the intervals to 6 feet?
>
> At this point one can see I know a lot about Cannae.
> I have written several
> papers on the battle, built a diorama for a museum,
> and recreated the battle
> in miniature.
> The point is, the way the Romans win Cannae is not
> to fight it. Follow the
> example of my spiritual ancestor, and keep away from
> Hannibal until he quits
> Italy, or a commander of his caliber comes along on
> the Roman side. And then
> give him a proper army.
>
> Finally to the organizers, might I suggest
> recreating a Roman civil war
> battle? More awards were given out for heroism in
> those then the Punic war.
> At least according to Caesar and Appianus.

MAIOR: I know that you have a lot of knowledge (and
not limited to) about roman history and military, but
i think that only a Aedile that knows how it works can
organize such a feature.
That is, if you will candidate for Aedile next year, i
will vote on you!

> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Vale
Marcus Arminius

_______________________________________________________________________
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Subject:	Fw: [Nova-Roma] spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:39:51 -0700

Second try.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae

Avete Senator,

Senator Q. Fabius Maximus was already a Curule Aedile. He was the Curule Aedile who started the Nova Roma games with Chariot Races (I believe), Gladiator Combats and the Social War (Role Playing Game).

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: M Arminius Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae

Salve

--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com escreveu: > The texts will
judged by a Jury composed by the four
> higher Nova Roman
> experts of military arts:
>
> - Alexander Solaris Draco, Legatus Militaris
> Provinciae Italiae
> - Marcus Minucius Audens, Praefectus Fabrum of the
> Sodalitas Militarium
> - Gallio Velius Marsallas, Co-Commander of the
> Sodalitas Militarium
> - Caius Flavius Diocletianus, Legate Legionis Group
> Sodalitas Militarium
>
> Citizens of Rome.
> Two of the foremost experts in Roman military
> history here, myself and A.
> Gryllus Grechus were left off this list. And we are
> both published authors!
> Why you might ask yourself did this happened? Why
> because we do not support
> the politics of the above four. I myself was never
> asked. I cannot be sure
> of Gryllus.

MAIOR: What a strange accusation!
I, by myself think that is reasonable when the
dignissimus Aedilis Curule choose, to this jury,
people that are both impartial, and closer to him.
I was Aedilis last year, and i know how difficult can
be the organization of games.
Perhaps you is in fact the best roman military expert
in Sodalitas Militarium and the whole Nova Roma, but
not everybody knows it; im in Nova Roma for more than
two years, and didnt know that Antonius Gryllus was
such an expert!

[..]
> The whole exercise is moot anyway. You have the
> advantage of hindsight in
> making your call.

MAIOR: Well, at least they are trying... the
aedileship can be hard enough even without criticism.

> The Romans made four fundamental mistakes, on which
> the blame was pinned on
> poor Varro.
> I. The legiones were hastily raised. They had not
> completed their training
> before taking the field. How is one going to
> rectify that?
> II. The triarii (third line) were left in the Roman
> camp. Therefore there
> was no experienced troops guarding the legiones
> rear. I suppose they could
> be brought along. But who will guard the camp? The
> accensii?
> III. The Roman equites dismounted before fighting.
> This according to the
> chroniclers was major mistake, since the Gallic and
> Spanish heavy horse made
> short work of them. So keep the equities mounted?
> IV. Since the maniples were untrained they were kept
> in "locked shield"
> (synaspismos) formation, because they couldn't
> maneuver like trained and
> drilled Romans. So open the intervals to 6 feet?
>
> At this point one can see I know a lot about Cannae.
> I have written several
> papers on the battle, built a diorama for a museum,
> and recreated the battle
> in miniature.
> The point is, the way the Romans win Cannae is not
> to fight it. Follow the
> example of my spiritual ancestor, and keep away from
> Hannibal until he quits
> Italy, or a commander of his caliber comes along on
> the Roman side. And then
> give him a proper army.
>
> Finally to the organizers, might I suggest
> recreating a Roman civil war
> battle? More awards were given out for heroism in
> those then the Punic war.
> At least according to Caesar and Appianus.

MAIOR: I know that you have a lot of knowledge (and
not limited to) about roman history and military, but
i think that only a Aedile that knows how it works can
organize such a feature.
That is, if you will candidate for Aedile next year, i
will vote on you!

> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Vale
Marcus Arminius

_______________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! GeoCities
Tudo para criar o seu site: ferramentas fáceis de usar, espaço de sobra e acessórios.
http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:32:13 +0200

Salve Honorable Publius Caelius Rufus (Hopefully)!

Most of us don't use the system with clients. Many don't like that
system, I think that You would be able to find someone to help You
out of friendship or Pietas.

>Salve!
>
>I have applied to join Nova-Roma, and I await word from the Censors
>on the confirmation of my application.
>
>Is there anyone close to Atlanta? If so, I would be very pleased to
>visit with you...and maybe we can get a South Eastern U.S. "reunion"
>going!
>
>I would like to get active in Nova Roma, but I am not sure where to
>go. If Someone would like a client...let me know!
>
>I am interested in Rome's political system, military, and the culture
>in general.
>
>Feel free to write!
>
>Publius Caelius Rufus (Hopefully)

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Justica, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or those close by!!
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:08:04 -0700 (PDT)

William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com> writes:

> I have applied to join Nova-Roma,

Welcome!

[...]

> I am interested in Rome's political system,
> military, and the culture in general.

For a good first hand look at the political system,
just hang around here in the Nova-Roma mailing list
and watch. Things will be getting interesting in
about two more weeks.

For military interests, I recommend the Sodalitas
Militarium, as fine a group of people as you'll
find in our Res Publica. Check out the mailing
list at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium/

For other aspects of NovaRoman culture, I encourage
you to look at all of the Sodalities. You can find
more information about them at

http://novaroma.org/sodalitates/

I hope you find plenty there to satisfy your interest.

[posted with cc to originator]

Regards,

=====
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Scriba Aedilis Iuridicialis Primus to Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: New PC game
From:	"mythicentertainment1" <mbj@mythicentertainment.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:54:54 -0000

Citizens,

Thank you for our interest in our next game and kind words about
our Dark Age of Camelot. As an avid student of Roman history (though
my knowledge would hardly compare to many of Nova Roma's citizens)
I've wanted to do this type of game for quite a while. I just
visited the Nova Roma site and this group for the first time and what
you folks are doing is quite impressive. I suspect I'll be visiting
both here and on your site on a semi-regular basis.

Best,

Mark Jacobs
President
Mythic Entertainment


Subject:	RES: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
From:	"Titus Gabrielatus Genialis" <tggenialis@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:34:04 -0300

Salvete L. Fauste et Caeso Quintilianus!

I agree with you both. First we should try to get more citizens and then,
after some time, this Land Project issue will become affordable naturally.
Maybe there should be variable taxes which could be defined in each country
by its propraetor or the responsible governor.

Valete!

Titus Genialis
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 14 de outubro de 2002 15:04
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample

Salve Honorable Lucius Arminius Faustus!

I am all for the variable tax, somehow connected to the GNP. I am
also for the Land project, but I _don't_ think we should put most of
our tax money in buying land. Let us first grow, both by motivating
the capiti censi to become assudui and by recruiting more citizens.
Most of the money for land projects must come from donation at the
moment.

>I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
>displeased.
>
>Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
>the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
>
>When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
>somewhat fair price.
>
>Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
>
>In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
>(in R$) is 0% higher.
>
>So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
>entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
>´living according to the human dignity´.
>
>I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
>must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing
>his values from
>country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the
GNP
>per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
>personally praise all senators that support it.
>
>The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
>1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
>kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
>naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
>
>
>
>Vale bene in pacem deorum,
>
>
>L. Arminius Faustus
>
>Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
>
>Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
>
>Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Justica, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or
From:	Donald Hall <dhall@waca.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:55:25 -0400

Vale, Publius Caelius -

I'm a recently confirmed citizen of Nova Roma, and live in Marietta
(although I belong to the gens Caecilia Metella, of Germania).

You should be hearing from the censors shortly...my application was
approved in three days. This mailing list is a good place to start getting
involved...I'm still poking around Nova Roma myself, trying to find message
boards or areas of interest. My own interests are in Roman Politics and
Military Strategy, so we seem to have something in common!

I've a meeting coming up in two or three minutes, but will write more
later.

- Quintus Caecilius Metellus

-----Original Message-----
From: William Rogers [mailto:wlr107@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:35 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or
those close by!!

Salve!

I have applied to join Nova-Roma, and I await word from the Censors
on the confirmation of my application.

Is there anyone close to Atlanta? If so, I would be very pleased to
visit with you...and maybe we can get a South Eastern U.S. "reunion"
going!

I would like to get active in Nova Roma, but I am not sure where to
go. If Someone would like a client...let me know!

I am interested in Rome's political system, military, and the culture
in general.

Feel free to write!

Publius Caelius Rufus (Hopefully)

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Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Memebers in Georgia.
From:	"grizzlybear19602002" <larrythebear@askmamafreeman.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:40:01 -0000

Salvete! Publius Caelius Rufus.
The other esteemed Nova Romans that replied to you earlier were
correct, we don't like the client system. And as for the other
questions and comments that you had, well as one Nova Roman put it
basically just hang around and go to the Nova Roman web site, and
you'll find a lot out.
If I may suggest also, go to the Yahoo groups home page at
yahoogroups.com. Enter Nova Roman in the seach window, and see what
comes up there. You may consider joining some of them.
All of us that are here, have become citizens because we have a love
of all things Roman.
As for me I have been interested in Roman history for most of my
life. And when I came upon this group, and after checking them out
for a while, I just had to join.
Well, all I can say for now is, have a great time being Roman.
Ave!
Laurenicus Flavius Magus.
(aka Lawrence David Freeman)


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:18:32 +0100 (BST)

Apologies for appearing to resurrect this discussion. I just want to respond Porticus Brutis' question, and to Fabius Maximus' remarks, which I should have addressed nearer the time had I not been busy yesterday.

C. Porticus Brutis wrote:

> Ok first off I'm not the smartest man in the world but I'm not sure how to take your
> posting.If it's that you mean to say that by my post I'm looking to run for a office in > NR then thats not the case.I couldn't If I wanted to there's no time for me and I
> belive in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and not a Roman God, this I
> understand is something you must belive in to hold office {if I'm wrong please
> forgive me for the confusion.}.

The confusion is gladly forgiven. I'm sorry that you thought I might have been making this implication. I was merely prompted by your ideas to share with everyone my thoughts about the issue of civic benificence, as practised by the ancient Romans and by yourself, and to suggest that this might be a good model to follow. It occurred to me, however, that there was a negative side-effect of the trend in the ancient republic, and I thought it worth pointing out that we might wish to avoid this. I hope I caused no offence, and I should like to make it clear to everyone that I had no intention of suggesting that Brutis was making his admirable donation merely to win support.

I hope, incidentally, that you take no offence at my use of the abbreviation C. for Gaius. I prefer to use this rather than G. as it was the usual Roman abbreviation, but I realize that some might think it rude of me to address a citizen in a form other than that which he himself uses.
--
Q. Fabius Maximus wrote:

> > I don't wish to take issue with the point Scipio is making using this
> > analogy, but I'd like to suggest that the analogy itself is perhaps a
> > little extreme: the triumvirs' proscriptions involved not merely
raising
> > the level of tax on citizens, but rather, the drawing up of an
extremely
> > long list of citizens who any member of the public was permitted to
murder
> > without fear of punishment, and whose lands and money would then be
> > confiscated by the state to fund the war against Brutus and Cassius.
I'm
> > sure even those members of this list in favour of a rise in taxes
wouldn't
> > wish to suggest a programme of that kind. :)
>
> Actually, taxing the city citizen became more important only as the
> small
> land owner became extinct.
> In Rome's early days, the great Patrician families (mine included)
> supplied
> monies and materials to Rome when requested. Building projects were
> sponsored or mony raised by subscription. (We see this carried on
> today in
> new hospital wings, built by donations by rich people.)
> As army's needs grew, money was raised by various means, this included
> proscription.
> However, that could never happen here, our Rome's very nature renders
> this
> impossible.

I'm slightly unclear as to what you mean to say. Your phrasing suggests that you're voicing some disagreement with my comments on proscription, and I would be interested to hear your thoughts, but I don't understand how your comments relate to mine, as you seem to be outlining various means by which public services were funded in the republic. I would be obliged if you would clarify.

Thanks,
Jamie

www.strategikon.org

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] RE: Roman and Greek Literature
From:	Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:28:27 -0700

SALVE GAIE MARIE:

Yours is a noble endeavor. I don't know if you are looking for original
language only or translations, but Lacus Curtius has a translation of the
whole of Cassius Dio at:

http://www.ku.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Di
o/home.html

Perhaps you can make an arrangement with that most excellent resource.

Vale,

CN. IVLIVS STRABO

>As you can all see the list is far to be exhaustive. I especially need the
works of Suetonius, Plinius the Younger, Eusebius, Dio Cassius but I would
appreciate any ebook you can send to me.
Thank you very much.
Ubi concordia, ibi victoria.
GAIUS MARIUS CRASSUS