Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or those close by
From:	"Barry Smith" <bsmith3121@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:33:56 -0400

Welcome to Nova Roma. This is a very interesting and diverse group. I am certain that you will find something to interest you. I am in Georgia as well - Tucker area to be exact. Hope that you did not get tied up in that cattle wreck on I-75 today.

Caius Titinius Varus

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Hall
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:36 PM
To: 'Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or those close by!!

Vale, Publius Caelius -

I'm a recently confirmed citizen of Nova Roma, and live in Marietta
(although I belong to the gens Caecilia Metella, of Germania).

You should be hearing from the censors shortly...my application was
approved in three days. This mailing list is a good place to start getting
involved...I'm still poking around Nova Roma myself, trying to find message
boards or areas of interest. My own interests are in Roman Politics and
Military Strategy, so we seem to have something in common!

I've a meeting coming up in two or three minutes, but will write more
later.

- Quintus Caecilius Metellus

-----Original Message-----
From: William Rogers [mailto:wlr107@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:35 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or
those close by!!



Salve!

I have applied to join Nova-Roma, and I await word from the Censors
on the confirmation of my application.

Is there anyone close to Atlanta? If so, I would be very pleased to
visit with you...and maybe we can get a South Eastern U.S. "reunion"
going!

I would like to get active in Nova Roma, but I am not sure where to
go. If Someone would like a client...let me know!

I am interested in Rome's political system, military, and the culture
in general.

Feel free to write!

Publius Caelius Rufus (Hopefully)




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LVMA: Subscriptions closed
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:54:11 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

Avete, lover and experts of the Roman Ars Dimicandi. I announce that the
subscriptions for the LUDI VICTORIAE MILITARY AWARD are closed!

The L.V.M.A. is th first and experimental Award about the military tactics,
organized by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
As I said, this is only an experimental project because I know it need more
variables and dates to develop a military strategy. However we want to try
hoping in a grow of the Contest in the Ludi of the next year.

BTW, we're glad for the first results because we have received comments and
suggestions from many people, thank you to everybody. Ad the end we have two
tactics running the LVMA:

- Honorable Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/lvma/marinus.htm

- Illustrus Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/lvma/coriolanus.htm

Tomorrow I sended the work to the Jury, so if you want partecipe hurry up!
I'm waiting for few hours. Read the regulations and the running tactics at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/military_award.htm

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:01:57 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Lucio Cornelio Sulla Felix S.P.D.

> Senator Q. Fabius Maximus was already a Curule Aedile. He was the
Curule Aedile who started the Nova Roma games with Chariot Races (I
believe), Gladiator Combats and the Social War (Role Playing Game).

No, Illustrus, it's wrong, I thing. When I started my work for the
current Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, I searched about the
last Ludi and I haven't founded anything like our Ludi Circenses.
I thing Illustrus Fabius Quintilianus is the first to have organized
it and when we have done it I have called the first creator,
Honorable Gnaeus Salix Galaicus.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
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Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:21:51 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Q. Fanio Maximo S.P.D.

> The texts will judged by a Jury composed by the four higher Nova
Roman
> experts of military arts:
>
> - Alexander Solaris Draco, Legatus Militaris Provinciae Italiae
> - Marcus Minucius Audens, Praefectus Fabrum of the Sodalitas
Militarium
> - Gallio Velius Marsallas, Co-Commander of the Sodalitas Militarium
> - Caius Flavius Diocletianus, Legate Legionis Group Sodalitas
Militarium
>
> Citizens of Rome.
> Two of the foremost experts in Roman military history here, myself
and A.
> Gryllus Grechus were left off this list. And we are both published
authors!
> Why you might ask yourself did this happened? Why because we do
not support
> the politics of the above four. I myself was never asked. I
cannot be sure
> of Gryllus.
> It is a sad day indeed when political fractures determine who will
do what in
> Nova Roma. I am pleased to say, that in the College of Pontiffs, I
was not
> banned from voting because I disagreed with the Pontifix Maximus'
politics
> earlier in the month. In fact he went out of his way to make sure
I was
> included in the vote.

I answer you because I have created and organized this Award for the
current Illustrus Senior Curule Aedile and if there are some
responsabilities are mine.
Well, I'm very displeased you and Illustrus A. Gryllus Grechus
weren't invited as Jurors but I didn't know you are expert in thi
contents. Really! When I have write the list of the Jurors I have
thought to the citizens I know. The first, Illustrus A. Solaris
Draco, is my Legatus Provinciae Italiae for the military contents and
reenactment. He's the chief of a roman military group, Nova Scrimia,
And he's in the European Federation Ars Dimicandi and Tribunus in
Legio I Italica. The other 3 jurors come from the Sodalitas
Militarium, the higher organization in Nova Roma about this content
(I thing). As I did for the other Awards ("cultural" I have contacted
the Sodalitas Musarum, etc.) I have invited the people I know.
I haven't inivted this citizens following political tactics, I'm not
able because as Quaestor I'm not a politician, I'm a Magistrate.
Sorry, do you thing it's more important to contact you than another
with few century points? ;-))

I'm very displeased because I should be very honourated to have you
as memebers of the Jury.
Please, take my apologies and take my invitation to talk about a grow
of this Award.

> The whole exercise is moot anyway. You have the advantage of
hindsight in
> making your call.
> The Romans made four fundamental mistakes, on which the blame was
pinned on
> poor Varro.
> I. The legiones were hastily raised. They had not completed their
training
> before taking the field. How is one going to rectify that?
> II. The triarii (third line) were left in the Roman camp.
Therefore there
> was no experienced troops guarding the legiones rear. I suppose
they could
> be brought along. But who will guard the camp? The accensii?
> III. The Roman equites dismounted before fighting. This according
to the
> chroniclers was major mistake, since the Gallic and Spanish heavy
horse made
> short work of them. So keep the equities mounted?
> IV. Since the maniples were untrained they were kept in "locked
shield"
> (synaspismos) formation, because they couldn't maneuver like
trained and
> drilled Romans. So open the intervals to 6 feet?

Sorry for this mistakes, I'm not exepert of military contents and
you're right.
However you have to thing this is an EXPERIMENTAL award as I said in
ny last messages.
And as you can read I have invited all you to send me suggestions,
comments, opinions, corrections, etc. Why you didn't it? I can change
the Award now when the subscriptions are closed. The award is
published from the first week of October and you had the time to
contact me.

> At this point one can see I know a lot about Cannae. I have
written several
> papers on the battle, built a diorama for a museum, and recreated
the battle
> in miniature.
> The point is, the way the Romans win Cannae is not to fight it.
Follow the
> example of my spiritual ancestor, and keep away from Hannibal until
he quits
> Italy, or a commander of his caliber comes along on the Roman
side. And then
> give him a proper army.

Amice, I don't know what are your skills. I haven's seen works
written by you and Gryllus and Iknow my friends Antonius as a
religious expert, not military. Sorry, but how I can know what are
your skills? :-)
Now I know and I'll remember for other games (I'll run as Aedile ;-)

> Finally to the organizers, might I suggest recreating a Roman civil
war
> battle? More awards were given out for heroism in those then the
Punic war.
> At least according to Caesar and Appianus.

Yes, of course trhe battle of Cannae is not the mnost heroic of the
roman history. But I wanted to "play" with a famous battle and to
give to everybody the possibility to change the history for one
time ;-)
I take your suggestion and I'll very honourated to work with you in
the future for the organization of a more correct and complex
Military Award. Please, remember my message ;-)

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:26:24 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar M. Arminio Maior S.P.D.

> MAIOR: I know that you have a lot of knowledge (and
> not limited to) about roman history and military, but
> i think that only a Aedile that knows how it works can
> organize such a feature.
> That is, if you will candidate for Aedile next year, i
> will vote on you!

Please, Q. Fabius Maximus was a wondeful Aedile and I hope he fon't
want to candidate for the next year ... ;-)) (it's a joke)
I would like to run as Curule Aedile for the next year, I hope to
have your vote too ;-)

[I love the "air" creating before the December elections ;-)]

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
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Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:43 -0700

Ave,

Most respectfully, Francisus, your records are incorrect. Please search the archives. I know because I officiated one of the games in the Nova Roma Chatroom where they used to be held. Back in 1999. Well before Senator Caeso Fabius was even a citizen.

If you check the archive you can see the following for the year 1999: Aedilis Curule Suffectus: Quintus Fabius Maximus, appointed IV Id Qui MMDCCLII (12 Jul 1999)

So check the archieves after that date and you will see the various announcments and recaps of the excellent games of Senator Q. Fabius Maximus. I really enjoyed those games, the blow by blow gladiator combats and especially the Social War. I really wish there was a way to start up the Social War game again!

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:01 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae


Franciscus Apulus Caesar Lucio Cornelio Sulla Felix S.P.D.

> Senator Q. Fabius Maximus was already a Curule Aedile. He was the
Curule Aedile who started the Nova Roma games with Chariot Races (I
believe), Gladiator Combats and the Social War (Role Playing Game).

No, Illustrus, it's wrong, I thing. When I started my work for the
current Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, I searched about the
last Ludi and I haven't founded anything like our Ludi Circenses.
I thing Illustrus Fabius Quintilianus is the first to have organized
it and when we have done it I have called the first creator,
Honorable Gnaeus Salix Galaicus.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Current Ludi
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:02:14 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I am quite satisfied that the current Ludi, or any other Ludi
presented this year, is "not" a political exercise.

There have been different jurors with every ludi, and different
persons to open the various Ludi. Not always 'the same old folks'.

Besides, if one wanted to make political overtures, rather than find
a good judge of military prose, one would not choose Praefectus
Militarium Gallio Velius Marcallas, who is probably the most
nonpolitical of all Nova Romani I know. Moreover, I should think
there are 'easier' ways to make political overtures....Ludi are too
much work for a purely political effort!

The only politics I see is that both the Curule Aedile, the Plebian
Aediles and their assistants have outdone themselves with their
games, contests and entertainment of the populus. They have fulfilled
admirably the mission of their respective magistracies. Now that is
politics I can live with :)

We do the best we can with what talents we have; some of us have more
proficiency in one thing than another, and I think it is our best
effort that accounts for much in they eyes of whom we are celebrating.

We celebrate the religious legacies in so reconstructing, planning,
and participating in these ludi. Let us enjoy them with the spirit
with which they are intended, and not intricate political overtones
into them.

There will always be politics, alas....Ludi and the comradry they
encourage are a pleasant repose, no?

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:36:45 EDT

In a message dated 10/16/02 4:38:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk writes:


> Your phrasing suggests that you're voicing some disagreement with my
> comments on proscription, and I would be interested to hear your thoughts

About proscription? It is not valid in Nova Roma as a means to raise money,
that was why my puzzlement.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:31:47 -0500

" would like to see our first
project to acquire a plot of land were we could erect our first temple to
Iuppiter."

I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but I think it only right and proper to erect our first temple to Quirinus, the deified Romulus, and founder of our great society and culture,







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In a message dated 10/13/02 10:26:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk writes:


> I don't wish to take issue with the point Scipio is making using this
> analogy, but I'd like to suggest that the analogy itself is perhaps a
> little extreme: the triumvirs' proscriptions involved not merely raising
> the level of tax on citizens, but rather, the drawing up of an extremely
> long list of citizens who any member of the public was permitted to murder
> without fear of punishment, and whose lands and money would then be
> confiscated by the state to fund the war against Brutus and Cassius. I'm
> sure even those members of this list in favour of a rise in taxes wouldn't
> wish to suggest a programme of that kind. :)
>

Actually, taxing the city citizen became more important only as the small
land owner became extinct.
In Rome's early days, the great Patrician families (mine included) supplied
monies and materials to Rome when requested. Building projects were
sponsored or mony raised by subscription. (We see this carried on today in
new hospital wings, built by donations by rich people.)
As army's needs grew, money was raised by various means, this included
proscription.
However, that could never happen here, our Rome's very nature renders this
impossible.

We have enough problems collecting taxes. I would like to see our first
project to acquire a plot of land were we could erect our first temple to
Iuppiter. To do so would have to be by subscription since we cannot tax high
enough to ensure this eventuality.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] More and better games (was:spiteful factions...)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:56:55 -0300 (ART)

Salvete, Quirites

--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
escreveu: > Ave,
>
> Most respectfully, Francisus, your records are
> incorrect. Please search the archives. I know
> because I officiated one of the games in the Nova
> Roma Chatroom where they used to be held. Back in
> 1999. Well before Senator Caeso Fabius was even a
> citizen.

MAIOR: This is correct. In 2752 AUC (1999 AD), no
Aedile Curule was elected. Q.Fabius Maximus was
choosed by the then Dictator of Nova Roma (during a
great and confused crisis), and became the fourth
Aedile Curule of NR.

> If you check the archive you can see the following
> for the year 1999: Aedilis Curule Suffectus:
> Quintus Fabius Maximus, appointed IV Id Qui MMDCCLII
> (12 Jul 1999)
>
> So check the archieves after that date and you will
> see the various announcments and recaps of the
> excellent games of Senator Q. Fabius Maximus. I
> really enjoyed those games, the blow by blow
> gladiator combats and especially the Social War. I
> really wish there was a way to start up the Social
> War game again!

MAIOR: I believe that the point of Fr.Apulus is that
the current format of the Games was created by the
Aediles of this year and their staff. That is, until
now, every Aedile "recreate" the games from nothing.
According with the archives, An.Gryllus and Q.Fabius
are the first one that tried something like the Games,
but their brave efforts were discontinued, and the
year 2000 only saw only one cultural festival, i
believe. In the year 2001, we have had some festivals,
but the Ludi of september (and the following) was
cancelled by obvious reasons.

So, Fr. Apulus is is correct when we says that he find
nothing like the current games, and our Aediles really
are doing an original work. And L.Cornelius is correct
when he says that the very first game was realized in
1999, by An.Gryllus, Aedilis Plebeius, in april/99 (he
was the lone Aedile, then), later joined by Q.Fabius.

Now, we have beautiful and well planned games, with a
very well organized staff. It will be a pity if we
doesnt have continuity next year! We need a good team
of Aediles for the following term, capable of at least
mantaining this quality. We have a site for the games,
the calendar of games was published in the beginning
of the year etc. I believe that the organization of
our lone Aedilis Curule paved the way for the future
games.

And it seems that the electoral season is beginning
well before november! Is the posting of Illustris
Q.Fabius a prelude for their candidature? Their
knowledge about internet gaming is a basis for a good
aedileship. And our current leges allow him to be
Aedile Curule again.

Vale
Marcus Arminius

> Most Respectfully,
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Consul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:01 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the
> battle of Cannae
>
>
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar Lucio Cornelio Sulla
> Felix S.P.D.
>
> > Senator Q. Fabius Maximus was already a Curule
> Aedile. He was the
> Curule Aedile who started the Nova Roma games with
> Chariot Races (I
> believe), Gladiator Combats and the Social War
> (Role Playing Game).
>
> No, Illustrus, it's wrong, I thing. When I started
> my work for the
> current Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, I
> searched about the
> last Ludi and I haven't founded anything like our
> Ludi Circenses.
> I thing Illustrus Fabius Quintilianus is the first
> to have organized
> it and when we have done it I have called the
> first creator,
> Honorable Gnaeus Salix Galaicus.
>
> Vale
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> -------------------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
> Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
> Scriba Curatoris Araneum


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Current Ludi
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:01:17 -0300 (ART)

Salvete Quirites

--- pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
escreveu: > Salvete Omnes:
>
> I am quite satisfied that the current Ludi, or any
> other Ludi
> presented this year, is "not" a political exercise.
[..]
> The only politics I see is that both the Curule
> Aedile, the Plebian
> Aediles and their assistants have outdone themselves
> with their
> games, contests and entertainment of the populus.
> They have fulfilled
> admirably the mission of their respective
> magistracies. Now that is
> politics I can live with :)

MAIOR: Exactly! :-) And being famous for being an
excellent Aedile is a current practice, perfectly
roman. :)

[..]
> There will always be politics, alas....Ludi and the
> comradry they
> encourage are a pleasant repose, no?
>
> Bene valete,
> Pompeia Cornelia

Vale
M Arminius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ancientartillery.com
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:56:38 -0500

Check out my Father, Flavius Basilicatus Furius, and mines website. Its kind of lame, but its a start. Let me know what you think.

http://ancientartillery.com/

Gaivs Basilicatvs Agricola







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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the battle of Cannae
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:40:27 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar L. Cornelio Sulla S.P.D.

Sorry, Illustrus, I talked about Ludi Circenses not about general
Ludi!!! I'm very sure!

Vale
F.A.C.


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Most respectfully, Francisus, your records are incorrect. Please
search the archives. I know because I officiated one of the games in
the Nova Roma Chatroom where they used to be held. Back in 1999.
Well before Senator Caeso Fabius was even a citizen.
>
> If you check the archive you can see the following for the year
1999: Aedilis Curule Suffectus: Quintus Fabius Maximus, appointed IV
Id Qui MMDCCLII (12 Jul 1999)
>
> So check the archieves after that date and you will see the various
announcments and recaps of the excellent games of Senator Q. Fabius
Maximus. I really enjoyed those games, the blow by blow gladiator
combats and especially the Social War. I really wish there was a way
to start up the Social War game again!
>
> Most Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Consul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:01 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: spiteful factions and the battle of
Cannae
>
>
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar Lucio Cornelio Sulla Felix S.P.D.
>
> > Senator Q. Fabius Maximus was already a Curule Aedile. He was
the
> Curule Aedile who started the Nova Roma games with Chariot Races
(I
> believe), Gladiator Combats and the Social War (Role Playing
Game).
>
> No, Illustrus, it's wrong, I thing. When I started my work for
the
> current Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, I searched about
the
> last Ludi and I haven't founded anything like our Ludi Circenses.
> I thing Illustrus Fabius Quintilianus is the first to have
organized
> it and when we have done it I have called the first creator,
> Honorable Gnaeus Salix Galaicus.
>
> Vale
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] THE OPENING OF THE QUARTERS OF THE LUDI VICTORIA CIRCENSES!
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:42:00 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I HEREBY OPEN THE QUARTERS OF THE LUDI VICTORIA CIRCENSES!

This Quarters of the Ludi Circenses will start today the 17th of
October. Please get to the Circus again and support your own
faction!!!

--
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Public praises to Julilla Sempronia
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:52:48 -0300 (ART)

Quirites,



Justice must be done!



More important than make a baby is taking care of the baby...

More harder than bring the stones is building the tower...

More necessary than translate is uploading it for all...



Have you seen the new multilanguage pages on NR site that days? It is all the hard work of our good Curatrix Julilla Sempronia Magna. I must public express my deepest gratitude to her by this work. She will surely and humble deny her merits, but I must confess to all that without her hard-work these days the majority of the translations already done wouldn´t be uploaded for long time.

I write this not for emulation, but by the feeling that justice must be done to people that give the best of their time to the good of NR.

All the interpreters are very stimulated to continue their work on that way.

<-- And the own Julilla won´t deny to accept the help that anyone can provide to also upload! -->

Thank you, Julilla, in the name of all interpreters of NR and its colaborators. Justice must be done! Together with the good Octavius, NR site was never in best hands.



Valete,



L. Arminius Faustus

Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.

Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



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Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Digest No 208 Public praises to Julilla Sempronia
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:25:57 -0400

Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD

It is my pleasure to add my voice to that of Faustus' in public praise of J
Sempronia Magna.
She has assisted me many times and I have found her to be a most
professional and pleasant person with whom to associate.
Quick to work, eager to please, friendly of demeanor and a joy to know, I
only wish there were more people like her. I hope she considers running for
office in the upcoming elections.

Mars nos protegas.
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:52:48 -0300 (ART)
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Subject: Public praises to Julilla Sempronia


Quirites,



Justice must be done!



More important than make a baby is taking care of the baby...

More harder than bring the stones is building the tower...

More necessary than translate is uploading it for all...



Have you seen the new multilanguage pages on NR site that days? It is all
the hard work of our good Curatrix Julilla Sempronia Magna. I must public
express my deepest gratitude to her by this work. She will surely and humble
deny her merits, but I must confess to all that without her hard-work these
days the majority of the translations already done wouldn´t be uploaded for
long time.

I write this not for emulation, but by the feeling that justice must be done
to people that give the best of their time to the good of NR.

All the interpreters are very stimulated to continue their work on that way.

<-- And the own Julilla won´t deny to accept the help that anyone can
provide to also upload! -->

Thank you, Julilla, in the name of all interpreters of NR and its
colaborators. Justice must be done! Together with the good Octavius, NR site
was never in best hands.



Valete,



L. Arminius Faustus

Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.

Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



Se de ócio estou, divirto-me escrevendo,

Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...

Satira Quarta, Horácio



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Public praises to Julilla Sempronia
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT)

Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
wrote:

[...]
> Have you seen the new multilanguage pages on NR site
> that days? It is all the hard work of our good
> Curatrix Julilla Sempronia Magna. I must public
> express my deepest gratitude to her by this work.

It is indeed a wonderful accomplishment, reflecting
favorably on our good Curatrix. Excellent work.
Thank you Julia Sempronia, ever so much.


=====
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Scriba Aedilis Iuridicialis Primus to Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Digest No 208 Public praises to Julilla Sempronia
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:46:48 -0000

*blushing deeply* Well this is a pleasant, if embarrassing way to
start the day, and the illustrius duo of L. Arminius Faustus and L.
Equitius Cincinnatus are altogether too kind to me!

I live by the creed, "there's no limit to what can be
accomplished....if you don't mind who gets the credit." In so many
cases here behind the scenes in Nova Roma, credit here rightfully
goes to the individuals who initiate great change: like our
incredible team of translators. Doing the web work is a bit like
eating pistachios - once I get started, I just can't stop!

As for running for office, I believe I am perfectly safe for another
year, for as one of our excellent team of rogatores, we none of us
can run for any office - even a second term as rogator! And that is
how it should be to preserve the purity of the voting system.

So I'll keep on working behind the scenes for another year -- trust
me, there's plenty to do... PLENTY!


Plurimas gratias carissimae amicae,

---

@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Public praises to Julilla Sempronia
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:48:25 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@y...>
> wrote:
>
> [...]
> > Have you seen the new multilanguage pages on NR site
> > that days? It is all the hard work of our good
> > Curatrix Julilla Sempronia Magna. I must public
> > express my deepest gratitude to her by this work.
>
> It is indeed a wonderful accomplishment, reflecting
> favorably on our good Curatrix. Excellent work.
> Thank you Julia Sempronia, ever so much.
>
>
> =====
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
>

Et gratias, Gnae, I wrote before I read your message :-D

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:34:54 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Cives Novae Romae,

A few months ago, we discussed adjusting the annual membership fee
(currently $12) to be proportional to the average levels of wealth
in the macronations where citizens reside.

I wrote a proposal for the Senate to vote upon, but withdrew it
during the discussion, as several Senators thought the rate was
too high. I promised then to reintroduce it with smaller numbers.

Here is the latest version of the proposal for reducing the
annual tax. I intend to present this to the Senate during the
first week of November.

1. Section II of the Senatus Consultum on Taxation (July 2754) is hereby
superceded with the following:

II. A. Each citizen eighteen years of age or older is hereby assessed
an annual tax of one three-thousandth of the per-capita GDP of
his nation of residence as shown in the CIA World Factbook,
using the most recent version available on the CIA web site.

[ COMMENT: currently this ranges from $2.16 (Brazil) to $12.06 (USA);
some other countries: Spain $6.00; Germany $7.80; Italy $7.36 ]

B. In order that the amounts may be more manageable in local currencies,
the Consuls may, by edict, alter the amount for any country by
up to 20%, upwards or downwards; adjustments greater than 20% may be
made by Senatus Consultum only.

C. The Consuls' Quaestores will compile and publish a list of rates
before the start of the collection period.

2. The following is added to the Senatus Consultum on Taxation as
new Sections V and VI:

V. Governors of Provinciae may receive authorization to collect
the annual tax from citizens of their provinciae by providing the
Senate with the following:

1. Proof of identity, in the form of copies of macronational
government-issued identification cards.

2. Written agreement that all money collected is the property
of Nova Roma and will be sent to the Senate on demand, and that
a list of citizens who have paid will be provided to the Censores
within one month after the collection period has ended.

3. A statement of preferred methods of payment (money order,
electronic transfer, etc.) and the address (postal or electronic)
to which payments should be sent. These payment instructions
will be published on the Nova Roma web site and mailing lists.

VI. Governors who have received authorization to accept tax payments,
as defined in Section V, may keep one half of funds collected for
use within the province; this money remains the property of Nova Roma
but may be spent by the provincial governor on activities that
benefit Nova Roma. The remaining half, minus transfer fees, must be
transferred to the Senate.

Citizens, although this issue must be decided by the Senate, by our
Constitution, your comments and suggestions are welcome. We have
several weeks in which to make revisions before it will be voted upon.

As you can see from the numbers in Section 1.II, the tax for citizens
of the USA will remain the same (as it will likely be rounded from
$12.06 to $12.00); for all the rest of the world, it will go down.
I believe this will benefit our treasury by enabling more people to
pay, and benefit our political process by bringing in more voters.

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:51:08 +0100 (BST)

Q. Fabius Maximus wrote:

> > Your phrasing suggests that you're voicing some disagreement with my
> > comments on proscription, and I would be interested to hear your thoughts
>
> About proscription? It is not valid in Nova Roma as a means to raise money,
> that was why my puzzlement.

Ah, I see we've merely stumbled into some mutual confusion. I was pointing out that proscriptions would not be an appropriate means of raising money for NR; you were saying the same. How strange and pleasant it is to find what one thought was a disagreement suddenly transformed into agreement. :)

Jamie




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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or
From:	Donald Hall <dhall@waca.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:31:38 -0400

Thanks for the welcome...I did indeed spend 4.5 hours on I-75 yesterday
morning...those poor ol' cows.

- Quintus Caecilius Metellus

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Smith [mailto:bsmith3121@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:34 PM
To: Nova-Roma
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of
Georgia...or those close by


Welcome to Nova Roma. This is a very interesting and diverse group. I am
certain that you will find something to interest you. I am in Georgia as
well - Tucker area to be exact. Hope that you did not get tied up in that
cattle wreck on I-75 today.

Caius Titinius Varus

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Hall
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:36 PM
To: 'Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or
those close by!!

Vale, Publius Caelius -

I'm a recently confirmed citizen of Nova Roma, and live in Marietta
(although I belong to the gens Caecilia Metella, of Germania).

You should be hearing from the censors shortly...my application was
approved in three days. This mailing list is a good place to start getting
involved...I'm still poking around Nova Roma myself, trying to find message
boards or areas of interest. My own interests are in Roman Politics and
Military Strategy, so we seem to have something in common!

I've a meeting coming up in two or three minutes, but will write more
later.

- Quintus Caecilius Metellus

-----Original Message-----
From: William Rogers [mailto:wlr107@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:35 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or
those close by!!



Salve!

I have applied to join Nova-Roma, and I await word from the Censors
on the confirmation of my application.

Is there anyone close to Atlanta? If so, I would be very pleased to
visit with you...and maybe we can get a South Eastern U.S. "reunion"
going!

I would like to get active in Nova Roma, but I am not sure where to
go. If Someone would like a client...let me know!

I am interested in Rome's political system, military, and the culture
in general.

Feel free to write!

Publius Caelius Rufus (Hopefully)




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Priestesses of Venus?
From:	Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:31:00 -0700

Salvete omnes,

Shaky etymologies always bug me, pedant that I am. However, I never
actually studied Latin, so maybe I'm completely wrong. However, quoting:
>___________
>From the Sybilline Order website:
>
>"Venus was first a Goddess of animals, and her consort, the horned God
>Adonis, was both the hunter and the sacrificial stag. "Venison"
>originally meant Venus' son, and the words "veneration", "venery",
>and "venial" were also derived from Her worship (Potter and Sargent
>209)."

Now, apart from the obvious fakeness of "venison" deriving from "Venus'
Son", my understanding is that "venison" derives from (quoting & editing
Lewis & Short) venor , atus, 1, v. dep. n. and a., to hunt, chase.

Also, "veneration" would derive from (L&S): veneror , atus, 1, v. dep. a.
[Sanscr. vankh, wish, pray; cf. O. H. Germ. wunsc; Engl. wish; and Lat.
Venus, venustas], to reverence with religious awe, to worship, adore,
revere, venerate.

Which does have some etymological association with "Venus": Venus , eris
(gen. sing. VENERVS), f. [v. veneror] , the goddess of Love, the goddess
Venus.

And as for "venial": venialis , e, adj. [venia] (post-class.). I. Gracious:
II. Pardonable, venial: .

Though "veneror" and "Venus" may be homonyms; "venial" is post-classical.

Perhaps any Latin Scholars or other linguists on the list may wish to chime
in, but as I understand language, words that begin with the same 3 letters
are not necessarily from the same stem, given the existence of homonyms.

Oh, deer....

VALETE,

CN. IVLIVS STRABO

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: ancientartillery.com
From:	"Iulia Cassia Vegetia" <bast13@adelphia.net>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:14:53 -0000

Nice clear photographs! I speak as an artist and one who is also
interested in ancient armor that you do beautiful work. I can't wait
to see what will appear on your website next. Compliments on a most
ambitious project.


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@k...>
wrote:
> Check out my Father, Flavius Basilicatus Furius, and mines website.
Its kind of lame, but its a start. Let me know what you think.
>
> http://ancientartillery.com/
>
> Gaivs Basilicatvs Agricola
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of
the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to
deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that
any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is
strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact
information in the "reply to" field above and return the original
message to the sender. Thank you.
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] To all members in the U. S. state of Georgia...or those close...
From:	StarVVreck@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:17:38 EDT

In a message dated 10/17/2002 12:30:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dhall@waca.com writes:


> I did indeed spend 4.5 hours on I-75 yesterday
> morning...those poor ol' cows.

... 5 died due to the accident, 3 more had to be put down due to injury. And
the rest arrived safely at the slaughter house...


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	StarVVreck@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:22:29 EDT

In a message dated 10/17/2002 12:37:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
haase@konoko.net writes:


> tax for citizens
> of the USA will remain the same (as it will likely be rounded from
> $12.06 to $12.00);

I would gladly accept the increase in taxes and pay the additonal 6 cents!


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:11:56 -0700 (PDT)

Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> wrote:

[revised tax legislation based on 1/3000 per capita
GDP formula]

It looks eminently fair to me. I agree that with this
tax law we may see more citizens paying their tax in
the future.

Thank you, Consul. Good work.


=====
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Scriba Aedilis Iuridicialis Primus to Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina- Pagan World" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:16:23 +0200

Salvete,
Just to add to what Titus Gabrielatus Genialis said :
>I agree with you both. First we should try to get more citizens and then,
after some time, this Land Project issue will become affordable naturally.
Maybe there should be variable taxes which could be defined in each country
>by its propraetor or the responsible governor.

And with a bit of money, each country could organize NR activities and
attract more citizens and thereby gain more money for more activities and so
the wheel begins to turn. But I agree with the person that posted that in
some countries, the salaries are just not as high as in the US. For example
here in Belgica, our cost of living is triple that of the US, are
macronational tax through the roof, and our salaries are about one third...
But it is a beautiful place and the Romans walked in this land and so it is
worth every Euro that it costs to live here!

Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina
Scriba Aedilis Concursus Secunda

Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:33:00 +0200

Salve Marcus Octavius Germanicus

> Citizens, although this issue must be decided by the Senate, by our
> Constitution, your comments and suggestions are welcome.
>As you can see from the numbers in Section 1.II, the tax for citizens
>of the USA will remain the same (as it will likely be rounded from
>$12.06 to $12.00); for all the rest of the world, it will go down.

I think that this proposal is more than fair. And if people believe in Nova
Roma and want to see her prosper, then they can sacrifice a few cups of
coffee per year in order to support it.
Let me know when the taxes are due!

Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Priestesses of Venus?
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:18:40 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
>
>Shaky etymologies always bug me, pedant that I am. However, I never
>actually studied Latin, so maybe I'm completely wrong. However, quoting:
>>___________

Venerare, Venus Venial probably are connected, probably all in parrallel derivation rather than one form another, though Venial is scarcely a desirable word to be conected with! It's possible that Venison may find its way in later but through changes of meaning and inaccuracies in what the gods once meant (Diana is the Goddess for deer, but she is the Virgin, Venus originally the Mother but becoming the sexually mature woman may have become mixed with the deer symbolism) and accidental similarities giving rise to mistaken folk etymologies exactly in the form of Venison=Venus-son. Venery seems to refer to good living originally as at court of which hunting was one aspect. That could derive itself from Venus as symbolic especially to the ascetic Christian church of 'pleasures of the flesh' envied by a peasantry (and no doubt more than a few unwilling monks) who couldn't enjoy them.
But why waste time on the pagan equivalent to implanted bar codes reading 666 on the dividing numbers?
Now there's a thought: although the gospels were written in Greek, 666 in Roman numbers is DCLXVI. That is, all of them except M=1,000. Was that meant to mean the number of Man is everything except for {whatever M represents}?


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] My Yahoo Messanger
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:20:21 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:27:33 +0200

Salve Senior Consul!

This proposal seems fair to me and I will support it in the Senate if
nothing new appears.

>Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
>
>A few months ago, we discussed adjusting the annual membership fee
>(currently $12) to be proportional to the average levels of wealth
>in the macronations where citizens reside.
>
>I wrote a proposal for the Senate to vote upon, but withdrew it
>during the discussion, as several Senators thought the rate was
>too high. I promised then to reintroduce it with smaller numbers.
>
>Here is the latest version of the proposal for reducing the
>annual tax. I intend to present this to the Senate during the
>first week of November.

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Vale

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:31:59 -0000

---Salvete Octavius Consul et alii:

If there are no major objections from the European Community, I think
this looks like a fair and flexible proposal.

Pompeia Cornelia


In Nova-Roma@y..., Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
>
> A few months ago, we discussed adjusting the annual membership fee
> (currently $12) to be proportional to the average levels of wealth
> in the macronations where citizens reside.
>
> I wrote a proposal for the Senate to vote upon, but withdrew it
> during the discussion, as several Senators thought the rate was
> too high. I promised then to reintroduce it with smaller numbers.
>
> Here is the latest version of the proposal for reducing the
> annual tax. I intend to present this to the Senate during the
> first week of November.
>
> 1. Section II of the Senatus Consultum on Taxation (July 2754) is
hereby
> superceded with the following:
>
> II. A. Each citizen eighteen years of age or older is hereby
assessed
> an annual tax of one three-thousandth of the per-capita GDP of
> his nation of residence as shown in the CIA World Factbook,
> using the most recent version available on the CIA web site.
>
> [ COMMENT: currently this ranges from $2.16 (Brazil) to
$12.06 (USA);
> some other countries: Spain $6.00; Germany $7.80; Italy $7.36 ]
>
> B. In order that the amounts may be more manageable in local
currencies,
> the Consuls may, by edict, alter the amount for any country by
> up to 20%, upwards or downwards; adjustments greater than 20%
may be
> made by Senatus Consultum only.
>
> C. The Consuls' Quaestores will compile and publish a list of
rates
> before the start of the collection period.
>
> 2. The following is added to the Senatus Consultum on Taxation as
> new Sections V and VI:
>
> V. Governors of Provinciae may receive authorization to collect
> the annual tax from citizens of their provinciae by providing
the
> Senate with the following:
>
> 1. Proof of identity, in the form of copies of macronational
> government-issued identification cards.
>
> 2. Written agreement that all money collected is the
property
> of Nova Roma and will be sent to the Senate on demand, and
that
> a list of citizens who have paid will be provided to the
Censores
> within one month after the collection period has ended.
>
> 3. A statement of preferred methods of payment (money order,
> electronic transfer, etc.) and the address (postal or
electronic)
> to which payments should be sent. These payment
instructions
> will be published on the Nova Roma web site and mailing
lists.
>
> VI. Governors who have received authorization to accept tax
payments,
> as defined in Section V, may keep one half of funds collected
for
> use within the province; this money remains the property of
Nova Roma
> but may be spent by the provincial governor on activities that
> benefit Nova Roma. The remaining half, minus transfer fees,
must be
> transferred to the Senate.
>
> Citizens, although this issue must be decided by the Senate, by our
> Constitution, your comments and suggestions are welcome. We have
> several weeks in which to make revisions before it will be voted
upon.
>
> As you can see from the numbers in Section 1.II, the tax for
citizens
> of the USA will remain the same (as it will likely be rounded from
> $12.06 to $12.00); for all the rest of the world, it will go down.
> I believe this will benefit our treasury by enabling more people to
> pay, and benefit our political process by bringing in more voters.
>
> Valete, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Absent
From:	MLCRASSVS@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:35:20 EDT

MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS LVCIO SICINIO DRVSO S.P.D.

AVE,

May I somewhat belatedly offer my sincere condolences on the occasion of your
father's death. Words seem inadequate at such times and the sense of pain
and loss are hard to bear. Just to let you know your fellow ROMANI are with
you at this time.

VALE


M. CALIDIVS GRACCHVS
CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE

TVVS IN SODOLICIO RES PVBLICA ROMANAE

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