Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Flamen Volcanalis - Quintus Volcatius Romanus
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:31:56 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

I am pleased to announce on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum that Quintus
Volcatius Romanus has been accepted as the new Flamen Volcanalis of Nova
Roma.

As Flamen Volcanalis, Quintus Volcatius will be responsible for attending the
worship and establishing the cult of Vulcan within Nova Roma. I have every
confidence that he will carry out this responsibility with great success, and
ask that the Citizens of Nova Roma join me in welcoming our new Flamen!

Valete ,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Flamen Furinalis - Caius Iuliuis Barcinus Ciconius
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:34:29 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

I am pleased to announce on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum that Caius
Iulius Barcinus Ciconius has been accepted as the new Flamen Furinalis of
Nova Roma.

As Flamen Furinalis, Quintus Volcatius will be responsible for attending the
worship and establishing the cult of the Goddess Furrina within Nova Roma. I
have every confidence that he will carry out this responsibility with great
success, and ask that the Citizens of Nova Roma join me in welcoming our new
Flamen!

Valete ,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Epulones Priest - Ambrosius Silvanius Urbius
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:03:52 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

I am pleased to announce on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum that Ambrosius
Silvanius Urbius has been accepted as the first Epulones of Nova Roma.

As an Epulones Priest, Ambrosius Silvanius will be responsible for organizing
public religious feasts. I have every confidence that he will carry out this
responsibility with great success, and ask that the Citizens of Nova Roma
join me in welcoming our new Flamen!

Valete ,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Flamen Pomonalis - Gaius Modius Athanasius
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:07:47 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

I am pleased to announce on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum that Gaius
Modius Athanasius has been accepted as the new Flamen Pomonalis of Nova Roma.


As Flamen Pomonalis, Gaius Modius will be responsible for attending the
worship and establishing the cult of Vulcan within Nova Roma. I have every
confidence that he will carry out this responsibility with great success, and
ask that the Citizens of Nova Roma join me in welcoming our new Flamen!

Valete ,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Flamen Cerealis - Hadrianus Rutilius Bardicus
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:13:00 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

I am pleased to announce on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum that Hadrianus
Rutilius Bardicus has been accepted as the new Flamen Cerealis of Nova Roma.

As Flamen Cerealis, Hadrianus Rutilius will be responsible for attending the
worship and establishing the cult of the Goddess Ceres within Nova Roma. I
have every confidence that he will carry out this responsibility with great
success, and ask that the Citizens of Nova Roma join me in welcoming our new
Flamen!

Valete ,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Sacerdos Palatua - Vopisca Iulia Cocceia
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:11:17 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

I am pleased to announce on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum that Vopisca
Iulia Cocceia has been accepted as the new Sacerdos Palatua of Nova Roma.

As Sacerdos Palatua, Quintus Volcatius will be responsible for attending the
worship and establishing the cult of the Goddess Palatua within Nova Roma. I
have every confidence that he will carry out this responsibility with great
success, and ask that the Citizens of Nova Roma join me in welcoming our new
Flamen!

Valete ,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LUDI VICTORIA: quarters
From:	"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@inicia.es>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:20:15 -0000

Avete, citizens!!

These are the races in the quarters of the Ludi Victoria. Sorry for
my very possible errors in english :-) but I hope that you enjoy in
the Circus.

----------------

GROUP A

Inexpugnabilis
driver: Ignis
by Caius Curius Saturninus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Praesina

Apollo Victor
driver: Afer Magnus
by Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Russata

Aenglish Wildfire
driver: Lupus Britannicus
by Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Veneta

Gladius Albus
driver: Damnator
by Marcus Octavius Solaris
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Albata

Results:
1st : Aenglish Wildfire
2dn : Accident
3th : Accident
4th : Gladius Albus

GO IN SEMIFINALS: Aenglish Wildfire and Gladius Albus

In the first race of this Ludi already is obvious a change. The
whites are prepared to be the surprise for once. The driver Damnator
of Gladius Albus lashes mercilessly the drivers green and red, who
relax and suffer terrible accidents on the spina. But he can not stop
Aenglish Wildfire, who wins the race. A blue and a white classified.
The majority green and red public is amazed. Blue scarves appear in
the steps and a white flag even. Really a beginning of ludi very
strange for this year.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

GROUP B

Essedum
driver: Italicus
by Manius Constantinus Serapio
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Praesina

Proeliator
driver: Gustavus Barbarus
by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata

Orionis Draco
driver: Equus Magnus
by Titus Licinius Crassus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Veneta

B.S.D. Liber
driver: Carolus Daemonicus
by Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Albata

Results:
1st : Accident
2dn : Accident
3th : B.S.D. Liber
4th : Proliaetor

GO IN SEMIFINALS: B.S.D. Liber and Proliaetor

The greatest surprise of the evening. The superchampion Essedum
suffers a stupid accident, knocking down an absent-minded pretorian
doing guard in the spina and of rebound hitting with the blue Orionis
Draco. Both break in the middle of the track. B.D.S. Liber and
Proeliator enjoy a hard sprint that the first one wins. White
victory!! Incredible!! A group of white fans extends more flags with
their color, it seems that today is a white day, but the greens stain
the flags spitting liquor of kiwi on them. The passion and violence
grows in the steps.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------

GROUP C

Volatilis
driver: Pelops Celer
by T. Labienus Fortunatus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Praesina

Niquélia Cupro-Cobaltosa
driver: Cyanexius Electroliticus
by L. Arminius Faustus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata

Impactus Infrenatus
driver: Malleus Nolens
by Gn. Octavius Noricus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Albata

Brokenus Skoderus
driver: Damonus Hillus
by Servius Cornelius Cato
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Veneta

Results:
1st : Accident
2dn : Impactus Infrenatus
3th : Niquèlia Cupro-Cobaltosa
4th : Brokenus Skoderus

GO IN SEMIFINALS: Impactus Infrenatus and Niquèlia Cupro-Cobaltosa

The evening continues being horrible for the Praesina and marvellous
for the Albata fans, which are taking revenge for the past affronts
in before Ludi. Malleus Nolens and his Impactus infrenatus stopped
their self-destructive impulses pushing the chariot Volatilis of
Pelops Celer, which hit on the wall. After this, nobody dared to go
forward to the evil white. Niquelia and Brokenus Skoderus fought for
the second post. But Damonus Hillus's assaults were extinguished by
Electroliticus's discharges. Other red in semi-final!
The greens shout to the sky, asking why Gods send curses on them.

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----------

GROUP D

Leo
driver: Titus Lupercia Silo
by N. Cassius Niger
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Praesina

Italica
driver: Equus Erectus
by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Russata

Crux Australis
driver: Victor Hispanicus
by Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Veneta

Ars Longa
driver: Petronius Gnipho
by Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Albata

Results:
1st : Crux Australis
2dn : Italica
3th : Accident (sabotage)
4th : Ars Longa

GO IN SEMIFINALS: Crux Australis and Italica

Blue victory and other red chariot in the second post. Crux Australis
increases the small reputation of his factio (for the present) and
Ars Longa reduces the good luck of his factio with a lamentable race.
His driver Petronius sneezed on having turned a curve of the track,
lost the control of his chariot, went out to the street and he
couldn´t stop his horses up to the capitolium.
The greens lose again. But in this race the green chariot was not a
victim of the bad luck. The driver of Leo, T. Lupercia Silo, suffered
a mysterious and frightful diarrhea. He could not take part in the
race, but his shouts from lavatories were heard in all the Circus:
Sabotage, Sabotage, aayah.. The reds has given me a lollipop poisoned
with laxatives..aayah! But the pretorians couldn´t found probes of
the crime for denying to dive in the lavatories.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------

GROUP E

Basilea
driver: Spetimus Raurax
by Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Race tactic: (6
Factio: Praesina

Massilia
driver: Leonnatus
by Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata

Metella Maxima
driver: Aegeus
by Lucius Arminius Metellus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata

Macedonica
driver: Perseus
by Phillipus Arminius Remus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata

Results:
1st : Massilia
2dn : Metella Maxima
3th : Accident
4th : Macedonica

GO IN SEMIFINALS: Massilia and Metella Maxima

Three red chariots against the solitary green one. Bad luck for the
veteran and wise Basilea. The Red Armada doesn´t forgive her
enemies. Besides, the divine plot against the Praesina provokes for
Basilea an curious accident in the spina. An accident "induced" by
the red chariots, certainly. After this accident, the race was a
walk for the red chariots. In the final sprint, Macedonia was slower,
maybe because its driver Perseus relaxes cutting the head of the
statue of Medusa. Massilia wins the race and its red companion
Metella Maxima is second!
The red fans start enjoying so much as the whites and blues, while
the greens cries distressed.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------

GROUP F

Delecta Mea
driver: Scorpianus
by Jullila Sempronia Magna
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Praesina

Golden Age
driver: Kronus
by Gnaeus Arminius Saturninus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata

Volans
driver: Pertinax
by Hadrianus Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (2)
Factio: Russata

Fvror Tevtonicvs
driver: Scissor Obscurvs Northmannvs
by Alexander Solaris Draco
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata

Results:
1st : Furot Teutonicus
2dn : Accident
3th : Golden Age
4th : Delecta Mea

GO IN SEMIFINALS: Furor Teutonicus and Golden Age

Yes, again, three reds against one green. The Red Armada crushes with
her power. One of the three reds is Furor Teutonicus, led by the
wicked, cruel and bastard Scissor, who lights a green flag before the
fans of this factio, receiving sonorous insults about all his family.
It is the war on the steps against the insane Scissor!. But in the
race, this madman pushes on the wall his own companion, the veteran
Volans, in an irrational and incomprehensible action. Scorpìanus of
Delecta Mea prefered to live and to leave that the surviving pair of
reds wins the race. Undoubtedly, today is a damn day for the greens.
The second one, Kronus of Golden Age, after the race asks for
explanations for his evil behavior to the bastard Scissor and he
receives as answer a tremendous slap and a bite in the ear. I think
that this Scissor is a danger for everybody in the semifinals. Of
course, now he´s a hero for the more radical reds.


GROUP G

Ius Sanguinis
driver: Hermanus Martianus
by Marcus Arminius Maior
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Russata

Attia Clusia
driver: Clodius Rufus
by Appius Arminius Claudianus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Russata

Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata

1st : Hyacintha Magna
2nd : Accident
3th Attia Clusia

GO in semifinal: Hyacintha Magna and Attia Clusia

Three reds fight among them for two posts in semifinals without any
chariot of rival factiones. The dream of any red fan! The race seemed
to be therefore boring, a walk of friends and polite people, but Ius
Sanguinis and Attia Clusia fought hardly to be the second chariot
behind an unstoppable Hyacintha Magna. It was a hard and dangerous
combat for both. Finally, Attia Clusia winned the fratricidal
struggle. Ius Sanguinis was pushed on the wall of the steps, having
an not dangerous accident, but mortal for the ambition of its owner.
The red fans enjoyed very much. The others fans, very scornful,
prefered to read the newspaper or to play boardgames on the steps.

--------------
GROUP H

Fulminatora
driver: Remus
by Sextus Arminius Remus
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Russata

Metella Vermelha
driver: Rosatia
by Fabiana Arminia Metella
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata

Incitatus
driver: Himself
by Quintus Lanius Paulinus
tactic 5
Factio: Praesina

1st : Incitatus
2nd : Accident
3th : Fulminatora (sabotage uncovered!)

GO in semifinal: Incitatus and Fulminatora

A race with clear red superiority. But where a great scandal has
happened. A professional assassin failed in the attempt of strangling
to Q. Lanius Paulinus in the wardrobes with a string of piano,
because he was recognized by a angry pretorian, owner of the damn
piano. He was arrested at once and "convinced" by the pretorian guard
for confessing who contracted his services. The assassin blamed the
red Sextus Arminius Remus, but this citizen denied the accusation
very angry. Nevertheless, the judges decreed that his chariot was not
taking part in the race. Therefore only two chariots ran on the
track: Metella Vermelha and Incitatus. Lanius Paulinus, much angrier
than Arminius, pushed Metella Vermelha and lashed mercilessly its
driver Rosatia up to hitting on the wall. A vindictive and terrible
action! Then the red fans tried to accuse Paulinus of assassination.
But what is not legal in the wardrobes it is legal on the track.
Incitatus wins and is the only green chariot in the semi-finals!


For the Semis: 1 green, 2 blues, 3 whites and 10 reds!!



Salix Galaicus
Scriba cursus equorum aedilis curulis
(Scribe of the races)

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] And another correction! Re: New Sacerdos Palatua - Vopisca Iulia Cocceia
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:52:40 EDT

Salvete,

One of these days I'm going to learn not to use one announcement as a
'template' for other announcements - 'filling in the blanks' seems like a
good idea, until you forget one or two of them!

In the announcement regarding our new Sacerdos Palatua, Vopisca Iulia Cocceia
- please change the pronoun from 'he' to 'she', and the title "Flamen" to
"Sacerdos". (Ah well, at least I didn't say Iulia was responsible for the
worship of Vulcan also!)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:30:28 -0700 (PDT)

Hail Roma
I'd have to argue this with you.Sorry for the late reply but If we had some place to show people we mean business then maybe people would take us serious.If we have land and start to build on it the news would follow this and more people would see us for whom we are.Let us not put our heads in the ground let in turn show the world that we're Romans.
G.Porticus Brutis


Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> wrote: Salve Honorable Lucius Arminius Faustus!

I am all for the variable tax, somehow connected to the GNP. I am
also for the Land project, but I _don't_ think we should put most of
our tax money in buying land. Let us first grow, both by motivating
the capiti censi to become assudui and by recruiting more citizens.
Most of the money for land projects must come from donation at the
moment.

>I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
>displeased.
>
>Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
>the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
>
>When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
>somewhat fair price.
>
>Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
>
>In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
>(in R$) is 0% higher.
>
>So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
>entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
>´living according to the human dignity´.
>
>I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
>must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing
>his values from
>country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the GNP
>per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
>personally praise all senators that support it.
>
>The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
>1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
>kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
>naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
>
>
>
>Vale bene in pacem deorum,
>
>
>L. Arminius Faustus
>
>Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
>
>Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
>
>Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
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"I'll either fiawfullay or make one"
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
From:	Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:35:32 -0700 (PDT)

points always work
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hail Roma
I'd have to argue this with you.Sorry for the late reply but If we had some place to show people we mean business then maybe people would take us serious.If we have land and start to build on it the news would follow this and more people would see us for whom we are.Let us not put our heads in the ground let in turn show the world that we're Romans.
G.Porticus Brutis


Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote: Salve Honorable Lucius Arminius Faustus!

I am all for the variable tax, somehow connected to the GNP. I am
also for the Land project, but I _don't_ think we should put most of
our tax money in buying land. Let us first grow, both by motivating
the capiti censi to become assudui and by recruiting more citizens.
Most of the money for land projects must come from donation at the
moment.

>I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
>displeased.
>
>Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
>the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
>
>When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
>somewhat fair price.
>
>Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
>
>In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
>(in R$) is 0% higher.
>
>So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
>entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
>´living according to the human dignity´.
>
>I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
>must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing
>his values from
>country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the GNP
>per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
>personally praise all senators that support it.
>
>The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
>1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
>kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
>naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
>
>
>
>Vale bene in pacem deorum,
>
>
>L. Arminius Faustus
>
>Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
>
>Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
>
>Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
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"I'll either fiawfullay or make one"
************************************************
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Land Project?
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:37:05 -0700 (PDT)

Hail Nova Roma
True but in the USA They wouldn't just kill you in your sleep and sale the land to someone else.I'm pushing for the US becase of jobs,housing,food,water,and people come here from all over the world to live and work.
G.Porticus Brutis


lithiaviridia <mscommunication@attbi.com> wrote:Salvete,

I am still awaiting citizenship, but I couldn't help but put forth an
idea on the subject of possible land. What about down south
somewhere? Land in Mexico is CHEAP. Land in Belize is UBER cheap.
A few months ago I looked into it a little bit - Belize land was $5
USD/acre - not a bad price. Also, I would have to say that looking
for land in the U.S. is probably not a good idea as looking for land
elsewhere, as the U.S. has never had a good history with dealing with
people who want to form their own country on U.S. soil. Remember
Waco?

Valete,
Lithia Viridia (hopefully)

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Absent
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:40:19 -0700 (PDT)

My the Gods or God be with you during this time of loss.If you need anything ask of our house and we will help you.Let us all say a prayer for L.Sicinius Drusus.
Brutis
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> wrote:Salve,

My Father passed away this afternoon after a long
illness. I'll be absent for the rest of this week on
family business.


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Land Project?
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:46:07 +0200

Salvete,

> Hail Nova Roma
> True but in the USA They wouldn't just kill you in your sleep and sale the
> land to someone else.I'm pushing for the US becase of
> jobs,housing,food,water,and people come here from all over the world to live
> and work.
> G.Porticus Brutis

I understand your points and your impatience!! We all would like all of this to
be reality. Especially because somewhere, we know that we have the opportunity
and the potential to make it true.
However, buying Land is not something that could be done in a week. We need to
check all sorts of things: laws, fiscal stuff, opportunity etc...
The Finance Office is (slowly) getting ready and soon I hope that we will
present our program.

Valete,

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:47:14 +0100 (BST)

Salve Marce Octavi,

This looks eminently fairer, but a couple of points if
I may.

>A. Each citizen eighteen years of age or older is
>hereby assessed an annual tax of one three-thousandth
>of the per-capita GDP of his nation of residence as
>shown in the CIA World Factbook, using the most
>recent version available on the CIA web site.
>[ COMMENT: currently this ranges from $2.16 (Brazil)
>to $12.06 (USA); some other countries: Spain $6.00;
>Germany $7.80; Italy $7.36 ]

These figures look much more comparable
macronationially than the current flat rate of $12,
but will there be a proviso allowing to pay more if
required? For example, looking at these figures I
guess the UK figure will be $7.5 approx, but would
British cives still be able to pay the current $12 if
desired?

I certainly support this change, but contributions for
most Western European nations are dropping by nearly
half, which seems quite excessive. I don't think that
the poor contribution from Britannia last year was due
to high taxes, but more due to the inactivity of its
citizens. I don't believe that cutting the rate of
contribution will increase compliance rates from this
province above and beyond the amount it will increase
anyway. I would guess that NR's income will drop,
possibly quite substantially, in the first couple of
years.

Would it be possible therefore (or even advisable
perhaps??) to have a minimum rate of contribution
based on the CIA's figures, and a recommended rate of
contibution, with no penalty if only the minimum is
paid. The recommended rate of contribution could be a
figure if around 1.5 times the minimum figure. Thus:
USA min $12, rec $18; UK min $7.5, rec $11.5; Brazil
min $2, rec $3.

Just a thought that would incorporate a fairer system
but still help to retain current revenue levels.

>Governors of Provinciae may receive authorization to
>collect the annual tax from citizens of their
>provinciae by providing the Senate with the
following:
>
>1. Proof of identity, in the form of copies of
>macronational government-issued identification cards

The wording here is pretty tight....Many countries,
such as the UK, do not have government issued ID
cards. Perhaps driving licence or passport details
would be permissible?

Just some thoughts.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Two thoughts on the taxation / money-raising question
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:21:07 -0700 (PDT)

Hail Nova Roma
Thank you for this reply,but please call me Brutis for this is the name my friends call me.It's also what I've been called since birth.
Brutis
Jamie Johnston <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Apologies for appearing to resurrect this discussion. I just want to respond Porticus Brutis' question, and to Fabius Maximus' remarks, which I should have addressed nearer the time had I not been busy yesterday.

C. Porticus Brutis wrote:

> Ok first off I'm not the smartest man in the world but I'm not sure how to take your
> posting.If it's that you mean to say that by my post I'm looking to run for a office in > NR then thats not the case.I couldn't If I wanted to there's no time for me and I
> belive in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and not a Roman God, this I
> understand is something you must belive in to hold office {if I'm wrong please
> forgive me for the confusion.}.

The confusion is gladly forgiven. I'm sorry that you thought I might have been making this implication. I was merely prompted by your ideas to share with everyone my thoughts about the issue of civic benificence, as practised by the ancient Romans and by yourself, and to suggest that this might be a good model to follow. It occurred to me, however, that there was a negative side-effect of the trend in the ancient republic, and I thought it worth pointing out that we might wish to avoid this. I hope I caused no offence, and I should like to make it clear to everyone that I had no intention of suggesting that Brutis was making his admirable donation merely to win support.

I hope, incidentally, that you take no offence at my use of the abbreviation C. for Gaius. I prefer to use this rather than G. as it was the usual Roman abbreviation, but I realize that some might think it rude of me to address a citizen in a form other than that which he himself uses.
--
Q. Fabius Maximus wrote:

> > I don't wish to take issue with the point Scipio is making using this
> > analogy, but I'd like to suggest that the analogy itself is perhaps a
> > little extreme: the triumvirs' proscriptions involved not merely
raising
> > the level of tax on citizens, but rather, the drawing up of an
extremely
> > long list of citizens who any member of the public was permitted to
murder
> > without fear of punishment, and whose lands and money would then be
> > confiscated by the state to fund the war against Brutus and Cassius.
I'm
> > sure even those members of this list in favour of a rise in taxes
wouldn't
> > wish to suggest a programme of that kind. :)
>
> Actually, taxing the city citizen became more important only as the
> small
> land owner became extinct.
> In Rome's early days, the great Patrician families (mine included)
> supplied
> monies and materials to Rome when requested. Building projects were
> sponsored or mony raised by subscription.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:35:57 -0700 (PDT)

Hail Roma
Ok but when your talking about bringing in more people to NR how would you do this?I've tryed online but just got people saying[ why would you want me to join a role play group?] This got me nowhere fast.I'd love to hear some ideas.I still thing the idea I had was pretty good.
Brutis
Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
points always work
"G.Porticus Brutis" wrote:
Hail Roma
I'd have to argue this with you.Sorry for the late reply but If we had some place to show people we mean business then maybe people would take us serious.If we have land and start to build on it the news would follow this and more people would see us for whom we are.Let us not put our heads in the ground let in turn show the world that we're Romans.
G.Porticus Brutis


Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote: Salve Honorable Lucius Arminius Faustus!

I am all for the variable tax, somehow connected to the GNP. I am
also for the Land project, but I _don't_ think we should put most of
our tax money in buying land. Let us first grow, both by motivating
the capiti censi to become assudui and by recruiting more citizens.
Most of the money for land projects must come from donation at the
moment.

>I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
>displeased.
>
>Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
>the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
>
>When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
>somewhat fair price.
>
>Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
>
>In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
>(in R$) is 0% higher.
>
>So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
>entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
>´living according to the human dignity´.
>
>I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
>must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing
>his values from
>country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the GNP
>per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
>personally praise all senators that support it.
>
>The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
>1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
>kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
>naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
>
>
>
>Vale bene in pacem deorum,
>
>
>L. Arminius Faustus
>
>Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
>
>Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
>
>Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

--
Vale

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Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Land Project?
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:39:54 -0700 (PDT)

Hail Nova Roma
Sextus Your right it won't come over night{Rome wasn't built in one day] so NR won't ether but I'm just saying that if we get these people involved than maybe it has a chance.I'd like to see it before I die.
Brutis
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> wrote:Salvete,

> Hail Nova Roma
> True but in the USA They wouldn't just kill you in your sleep and sale the
> land to someone else.I'm pushing for the US becase of
> jobs,housing,food,water,and people come here from all over the world to live
> and work.
> G.Porticus Brutis

I understand your points and your impatience!! We all would like all of this to
be reality. Especially because somewhere, we know that we have the opportunity
and the potential to make it true.
However, buying Land is not something that could be done in a week. We need to
check all sorts of things: laws, fiscal stuff, opportunity etc...
The Finance Office is (slowly) getting ready and soon I hope that we will
present our program.

Valete,

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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] An example
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:07:05 EDT

In a message dated 10/18/02 2:37:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
celtic4usa@yahoo.com writes:


> Ok but when your talking about bringing in more people to NR how would you
> do this?I've tryed online but just got people saying[ why would you want me
> to join a role play group?]

If that is their take on us, I'd reply this a role playing game where the
players' input shapes the future. How many RPGs actually accomplish something
useful?
None. We are not a RPG. We are a internet based miconation reviving the
best of the Roman republic. Note I don't say principate or dominate.
If your friends admire Rome and its great heritage then I say join us. If
not it is a waste of their time, and ours as well.
Valete
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Julius Caesar Weblog FOUND!
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:08:52 -0500

Salvete Omnes,
While visiting various Blog's I came across the weblog of
the great Julius Caesar:) Here's the address for it:

http://www.sankey.ca/caesar/


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Priesthood Oath.
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Hadrianus=20Rutilius=20Bardulus?= <gens_rutilia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:38:00 +0200 (CEST)

Salvete omnes cives,

I'm very grateful with the Collegium Pontificium for its confidence in my appointment as Flamen Cerealis. Thanks specially to its Pontifex Maximus, Marcus Cassius Iulianus, and to Pontifex Fabius Iulius Lucentinus (for his constant and fraternal support).

And also I want to congratulate to my new brothers and sisters into the Priesthood: Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Flamen Furrinalis), Quintus Volcatius Romanus (Flamen Volcanalis), Gaius Modius Athanasius (Flamen Pomonalis), Vopisca Iulia Cocceia (Sacerdos Palatualis) and Ambrosius Silvanius Urbicus (Epulon Priest). May Furina, Volcanus, Pomona and Palatua guide you!

Finally, I want to say to all of you, citizens of Nova Roma, that I'm at your disposition in the ministry and service to Goddess Ceres.

May Ceres be with us!



PRIESTHOOD OATH

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of the Religio Romana in Nova Roma, and to act always
in the best interests of the Roman Gods, the Religio Romana, and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia) as a member of the Priesthood, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion. I swear to serve the Roman Gods to the best of my ability in both public and private life, and to pursue the Roman virtues as an integral part of my
Priesthood.

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Flamen Cerealis to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
of Flamen Cerealis and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



Matriti (Hispania), a.d. XV Kalendas Novembras, MMDCCLV ad Urbe condita.

In Madrid (Spain), October 18th., year 2002 of present era.

In the consulship of Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.



Valete,



Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus

Flamen Cerealis

Paterfamilias Gentis Rutiliae

Provincia Hispania Novae Romae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nice Daily Culture Site
From:	"Lithia Viridia" <mscommunication@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:45:35 -0000

http://members.aol.com/Donnclass/Romelife.html <-- This is a pretty
nice, straightforward resource for daily Roman life. I think it was
designed for kids, but it serves as a basic primer for any age.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Newest Cassia
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:57:46 -0400

I would like to introduce the newest member of Gens Cassia, a
10-week-old kitten named Camilla.

Those of you who enjoy pictures of cats can see her here:
http://www.janeraeburn.com/camilla1.jpg

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Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:01:25 -0700

Avete G. Porticus,

I respectfully must disagree with you on this issue. We are not just a
micronation, we are also a Not for Profit Corporation. We should take
adequate steps to protect ourselves.

Unless land is going to be donated to Nova Roma (also a tax deduction in the
US). I have not been changed in my point of view that land is a Long term
goal (if lucky I will see it in my life time).

As I posted before, to build up Nova Roma's credibility both within the
organization and outside we should focus on short-term goals that can be
accomplished within a year. For example, reinstituting coinage each year
with the names of the Consuls. Secondly, reinstituting the Eagle (and make
it a more professional magazine instead of a news letter). Develop the
resources of our website so that we would become the one-stop information
source on ancient Rome (this will take substantially longer, I understand).
Even public access TV shows in various areas of the country (this is
something I am looking into). Roman Days type festivities in all parts of
the world. Things like this help build the community. Land, on the other
hand has the potential of being a very devisive issue. And, IMHO, we are
just not fiscally ready.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample



Hail Roma
I'd have to argue this with you.Sorry for the late reply but If we had some
place to show people we mean business then maybe people would take us
serious.If we have land and start to build on it the news would follow this
and more people would see us for whom we are.Let us not put our heads in the
ground let in turn show the world that we're Romans.
G.Porticus Brutis


Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> wrote: Salve
Honorable Lucius Arminius Faustus!

I am all for the variable tax, somehow connected to the GNP. I am
also for the Land project, but I _don't_ think we should put most of
our tax money in buying land. Let us first grow, both by motivating
the capiti censi to become assudui and by recruiting more citizens.
Most of the money for land projects must come from donation at the
moment.

>I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
>displeased.
>
>Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes seeing
>the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
>
>When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$ 2,80 - A
>somewhat fair price.
>
>Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
>
>In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary here
>(in R$) is 0% higher.
>
>So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here, there is
>entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ - not
>´living according to the human dignity´.
>
>I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
>must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing
>his values from
>country to country according to the proper economical indicators as the GNP
>per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
>personally praise all senators that support it.
>
>The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
>1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really participates is
>kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will happen
>naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
>
>
>
>Vale bene in pacem deorum,
>
>
>L. Arminius Faustus
>
>Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
>
>Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
>
>Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either fiawfullay or make one"
************************************************
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta -- Roman News and Archeology
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:18:59 +0200

Salvete,

14 news this week!! Find them at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

The London plaque of course, but also Spielberg'King Arthur and the come back
of Latin at school...

Valete,

--
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Newest Cassia
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:28:09 -0000

---Salve P. Cassia Senatrix:

Now, this novus filia will undoubtedly warm your heart after those
busy days of work and school.

How adorable!

Pompeia Cornelia

(An incurable feline fanatic!)


In Nova-Roma@y..., Patricia Cassia <pcassia@n...> wrote:
> I would like to introduce the newest member of Gens Cassia, a
> 10-week-old kitten named Camilla.
>
> Those of you who enjoy pictures of cats can see her here:
> http://www.janeraeburn.com/camilla1.jpg
>
> -----
> Patricia Cassia
> Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
> Nova Roma . pcassia@n...

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Congratulations
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:37:18 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

My sincere *congrats* to all who have had the honour of receiving
appointments by the Collegium Pontificium!

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Newest Cassia
From:	"Rachel" <theladysabine@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:40:53 -0000

Awwwww, how cute!! ::starts looking for some Ancient Roman cat toys::


H Minucia Caesar

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Membership Fee (tax) rate adjustment
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:50:19 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Decime Iuni,

> These figures look much more comparable
> macronationially than the current flat rate of $12,
> but will there be a proviso allowing to pay more if
> required?

Paying more is always allowed - you can have the payment credited to
someone else, or just consider it an additional donation. Many people
did this last year.

> I would guess that NR's income will drop,
> possibly quite substantially, in the first couple of
> years.

We'd be collecting less from most of Western Europe, but I think this
will be offset by substantially higher participation from Eastern
Europe and South America, who would benefit most from this adjustment.

Originally, I had planned to make the amount 1/2000 of GDP instead
of 1/3000; this would have raised the fees for the US to 18.00,
and in much of Europe it would have gone up nearly as much. But this
was not well received, several citizens expressed concern that it
was too soon after the establishment of the tax (last year) to be
raising it at all; therefore, the original proposal was withdrawn
and brought back with a smaller number.

> Would it be possible therefore (or even advisable
> perhaps??) to have a minimum rate of contribution
> based on the CIA's figures, and a recommended rate of
> contibution, with no penalty if only the minimum is
> paid.

The law should establish the minimum - but recommendations for higher
amounts can certainly be made, at the option of next year's Consuls.
The Consuls, Quaestores, and Curator Araneum will all work together
to set up a payment mechanism, and can decide on strategies for
obtaining amounts above the minimum.

For example, the payment page could have a grid format; the first
column would be the country name; the second button would be a
paypal button preset to send the minimum amount; the third column
would be a paypal button with a text field pre-populated with "$12.00"
but changeable:

USA || Minimum - $12.00 || Recommended - $12.00
|| [$12 PAYPAL BUTTON]|| [$12.00 ] [PAYPAL]
---------------------------------------------------------
UK || Minimum - $9.00 || Recommended - $12.00
|| [$9 PAYPAL BUTTON] || [$12.00 ] [PAYPAL]
---------------------------------------------------------
Brazil || Minimum - $4.00 || Recommended - $12.00
|| [$3 PAYPAL BUTTON] || [$12.00 ] [PAYPAL]

Such a setup would be fully compliant with the law, and would
encourage higher contributions.

> The recommended rate of contribution could be a
> figure if around 1.5 times the minimum figure. Thus:
> USA min $12, rec $18; UK min $7.5, rec $11.5; Brazil
> min $2, rec $3.

Easily done with the above setup (just change the values in the
text field in the rightmost paypal forms); I think this should be
an option of the Consuls of next year.

We could reward those who contribute the recommended amount with a
notation on their Album Civium page.

> >1. Proof of identity, in the form of copies of
> >macronational government-issued identification cards
>
> The wording here is pretty tight....Many countries,
> such as the UK, do not have government issued ID
> cards. Perhaps driving licence or passport details
> would be permissible?

I was thinking that driving licenses or passports would qualify as such,
as they are typically government-issued... but it would probably be
better to clarify it: it should read "government-issued identification
cards, driving licenses or passports". I'll make this change.

Thanks and Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] S--t disturbing Re: Priestesses of Venus?
From:	"ms_m2you" <ms_m2you@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:12:27 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Diana Apollonia Aventina" <diana@p...>
wrote:
> Salvete all,
> I looked into that website and as far as wicca goes, the group
seems
> pretty sensible. For example, they don't charge any money for
courses
> and the recommended reading list is a very solid one, if wicca
is
> your chosen path.

Thanks for clearing that up. I admit that I didn't look at the site
that thoroughly.


> But honestly, I really never heard of Venus being a Triple
Goddess of
> Birth and Death, but then again, I admit to not knowing
everything...[snip]

Two days ago I attended a lecture given by Prof. Vassos
Karageorghis, hosted by The Toronto Society of the
Archaeological Institute of America.

The lecture was on Genesis of Aphrodite in Cyprus and was very
informative (Prof. K is the THE expert on the topic, as it
happens). He pointed out that Aphrodite did have a Birth/Death
aspect initially but that aspect is not prominent when Rome was
ruling Cyprus.

Lucia Sallustia Albania
(citizenship pending)

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Priesthood Oath in service to Palatua, by Iulia Vopisca
From:	Iulia Vopisca <iulia_uopisca@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:59:47 -0700 (PDT)

ROMAN PRIESTHOOD OATH

I, IVLIA VOPISCA (Julia Cybele Lansberry) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of the Religio Romana in Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the Roman Gods, the Religio Romana, and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.

I, IVLIA VOPISCA (Julia Cybele Lansberry) as a member of the Priesthood, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion. I swear to serve the Roman Gods to the best of my ability in both public and private life, and to pursue the Roman virtues as an integral part of my Priesthood.

I, IVLIA VOPISCA (Julia Cybele Lansberry) , swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, IVLIA VOPISCA (Julia Cybele Lansberry) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of FLAMINICA (Sacerdos) PALATVALIS to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of FLAMINICA (Sacerdos) PALATVALIS and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given by my hand at Yuma, in the Provincia of America Austroccidentalis, on my 50th Dies Natalis, XV.KAL.NOV.A.V.C.:MMDCCLV

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iulii/files/palatua.html





PACEM VENIAMQVE DEORVM TIBI EXOPTET IVLIA VOPISCA

http://www.aztriad.com/indexjcc.html

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample
From:	"Rachel" <theladysabine@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:13:14 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@y...> wrote:
>
> Hail Roma
> I'd have to argue this with you.Sorry for the late reply but If we
had some place to show people we mean business then maybe people
would take us serious.If we have land and start to build on it the
news would follow this and more people would see us for whom we
are.Let us not put our heads in the ground let in turn show the world
that we're Romans.
> G.Porticus Brutis
>

Meaning business doesn't always mean being 'set in stone'...literally
or figuratively. I agree with others when they say that the land will
come in its own due time.


An Inner Monologue on Roman-imity that I Am Having Right Now:

What IS a Roman anyway? Is he your Average Joe in a toga and a small
house that vaguely resembles a Roman villa? Or is he a man who knows
Rome, her ways, a smattering of her tongue, her history, her
concerns, and her people? Is our Roman-ness only valid if tangible
and inventoried, like Hotspur's prowess in battle? If that last is
true, I am sadly no Roman by those standards. Great respect should be
given to him who builds his own shelter, but would you rather follow
a stout, full heart that lacks a roof or live in a sturdy castle void
of contentment, comraderie, family, and happiness? I came here
seeking fellow Romans and never expecting a physical homestead. The
Land Project makes me nervous because I fear we will get started and
get in over our heads, and be left holding a beautiful piece of land
upon which we don't have the funds or resources or man-and-woman-
power to build.

Ave Roma, Semper Immortalis, Senex cum Nova.
Horatia Minucia Caesar
Nova Britannia

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an Example (I corrected this subject)
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:31:37 -0000

Salve,

I agree entirely with Consul Sulla. For the gods of Rome, we are a
fully nation, but to the Justice of men, common not-so-romanlover
men, we must act as a cultural non-profit organization. In nothing
I´m disagreeing Nova Roman Declaration, but making it more tasteful
for the laws and 'not so compreensive and open minded' judges.

Our priority is grow on citizens and CULTURE. I know that people call
us RPG while we are just internet based. But if we buy land the
people can call us cultists or crazy sect (seita). And remember that
our boundaries are international, buying a land in some country can
flare all types of acusations and inter-countries prejudices
(remember the HAIL BUSH NEW ROMAN EMPIRE episode?). I don´t want to
see the bipolar (USA-Europe) or even the tripolar (USA-Europe-Latin
America) or even even the tetrapolar (USA-Europe-Latin America-Asia)
mutual charges again...

Now about taxes, I agree with Consul Germanicus also. NR government
shall state a minimum country-based tax, BUT the citizens (in their
own civitas) are free to pay more. And this ´paying more´ can be done
on behalf of another citizens. Example: Tha Brazil taxes are supposed
to be about USS$3. But thank gods I really can pay nowadays US$12
(and I hope the exchange rates US dolar-real stop growing - this
damned elections here!). I´m a very pride guy sometimes, and I will
sure want to pay US$12 (if nothing too bad happen here... eheheeh).
So I can pay the rightful US$12 on behalf of me and three others
brazilian citizens (as US$3 to each one). It is mostly to get new
assidui to get involved on elections.

We must know that getting more assidui in NR is an investment so
good to the NR government than ´crude-money´ on the bank. If you are
assidui one year more, the NR retrovirus can attach so deep on your
DNA that you will not get away more!

But we are on friday, a infausti day to restart a internet argue!

L. Arminius Faustus
PS. Russata shall win this Ludi... ahahaah


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Avete G. Porticus,
>
> I respectfully must disagree with you on this issue. We are not
just a
> micronation, we are also a Not for Profit Corporation. We should
take
> adequate steps to protect ourselves.
>
> Unless land is going to be donated to Nova Roma (also a tax
deduction in the
> US). I have not been changed in my point of view that land is a
Long term
> goal (if lucky I will see it in my life time).
>
> As I posted before, to build up Nova Roma's credibility both within
the
> organization and outside we should focus on short-term goals that
can be
> accomplished within a year. For example, reinstituting coinage
each year
> with the names of the Consuls. Secondly, reinstituting the Eagle
(and make
> it a more professional magazine instead of a news letter). Develop
the
> resources of our website so that we would become the one-stop
information
> source on ancient Rome (this will take substantially longer, I
understand).
> Even public access TV shows in various areas of the country (this is
> something I am looking into). Roman Days type festivities in all
parts of
> the world. Things like this help build the community. Land, on
the other
> hand has the potential of being a very devisive issue. And, IMHO,
we are
> just not fiscally ready.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@y...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@y...>
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
>
>
>
> Hail Roma
> I'd have to argue this with you.Sorry for the late reply but If we
had some
> place to show people we mean business then maybe people would take
us
> serious.If we have land and start to build on it the news would
follow this
> and more people would see us for whom we are.Let us not put our
heads in the
> ground let in turn show the world that we're Romans.
> G.Porticus Brutis
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@t...> wrote: Salve
> Honorable Lucius Arminius Faustus!
>
> I am all for the variable tax, somehow connected to the GNP. I am
> also for the Land project, but I _don't_ think we should put most of
> our tax money in buying land. Let us first grow, both by motivating
> the capiti censi to become assudui and by recruiting more citizens.
> Most of the money for land projects must come from donation at the
> moment.
>
> >I don´t want to argue. If someone starts arguing me, I will be very
> >displeased.
> >
> >Two months ago I entered on another awful discussion about taxes
seeing
> >the point of exchange rates of the money from country to country.
> >
> >When the discussion arisen, our exchange rates was: US$ 1 = R$
2,80 - A
> >somewhat fair price.
> >
> >Now the rate is: US$ 1 = R$ 4,00 - Really awfull...
> >
> >In other way, the tax to me became 42,87% higher, and our salary
here
> >(in R$) is 0% higher.
> >
> >So, be aware when someone says ´US$ 100 is not so much'. Here,
there is
> >entire families surviving with much less... I said ´surviving´ -
not
> >´living according to the human dignity´.
> >
> >I support the good idea of a variable tax. The question is: the tax
> >must have the same 'taste' to all pockets and wallets by changing
> >his values from
> >country to country according to the proper economical indicators
as the GNP
> >per capita. This awesome proposal still is on the Senate and I must
> >personally praise all senators that support it.
> >
> >The budget in NR will really grow when we grow on citizens. We have
> >1500? Good, but not so good yet. The people that really
participates is
> >kinda 10%. Let´s get more citizens, and the Land Project will
happen
> >naturally... and the swiftest is always the best way...
> >
> >
> >
> >Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> >
> >
> >L. Arminius Faustus
> >
> >Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
> >
> >Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
> >
> >Visit my office at
http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
>
> --
> Vale
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:46:36 EDT

In a message dated 10/18/02 9:13:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
theladysabine@hotmail.com writes:


> What IS a Roman anyway?

A good question. One I'm sure will have many answers. I fall more into the
second catagory though I have a toga.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: LUDI VICTORIA: quarters
From:	equitius_marinus@yahoo.com
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:39:39 -0400

Salix Galaicus reports:

> GROUP D
[...]
> Ars Longa
> driver: Petronius Gnipho
> by Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Factio: Albata

> Results:
[...]
> 4th : Ars Longa

[...]
> Ars Longa reduces the good luck of his factio with a lamentable race.
> His driver Petronius sneezed on having turned a curve of the track,
> lost the control of his chariot, went out to the street and he
> couldn´t stop his horses up to the capitolium.

I'm pleased to inform the racing community that Petronius Gnipho
has embarked on a new nautical career, and will not be seen in
the Circus again.

Fortunately, I got enough for him that my wagers were covered.

Anyone have a driver to recommend? My factotum is looking...


Valete!

-- Marinus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Newest Cassia
From:	Arnamentia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:15:36 -0700 (PDT)

Meenah, Sara, and Charlie send warm feline greetings
from our house!

Arnamentia Aurelia



Message: 16
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:57:46 -0400
From: Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Subject: Newest Cassia

I would like to introduce the newest member of Gens
Cassia, a
10-week-old kitten named Camilla.

Those of you who enjoy pictures of cats can see her
here:
http://www.janeraeburn.com/camilla1.jpg

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:38:37 -0000

Friend Sulla,

I agree with you on all these points, to be sure! We can (and with a
continued streak of good Senators, Consuls, and Censors) strive step-
by-step toward our common goal, a return of Rome on earth. Literally.

I think one of our strongest assets is our ability as Romans to work
together toward a common goal, even if we may disagree on HOW we get
there. Romans were know for the strong, determined, FOCUSED, method
in which they worked and played...I am sure that we here can pool our
combined intellect and come up with a series of long and short term
proposals/ideas/goals...and then get them done.

Maybe we can/should ask the Consuls/Senate to empanel a 7 person
commission to begin the process of selecting criteria, or something
of that nature.
P.C. Rufus


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Avete G. Porticus,
>
> I respectfully must disagree with you on this issue. We are not
just a micronation, we are also a Not for Profit Corporation. We
should take adequate steps to protect ourselves.
>
> Unless land is going to be donated to Nova Roma (also a tax
deduction in the US). I have not been changed in my point of view
that land is a Long term goal (if lucky I will see it in my life
time).
>
> As I posted before, to build up Nova Roma's credibility both within
the organization and outside we should focus on short-term goals that
can be accomplished within a year. For example, reinstituting
coinage each year with the names of the Consuls. Secondly,
reinstituting the Eagle (and make it a more professional magazine
instead of a news letter). Develop the resources of our website so
that we would become the one-stop information source on ancient Rome
(this will take substantially longer, I understand).
> Even public access TV shows in various areas of the country (this is
> something I am looking into). Roman Days type festivities in all
parts of the world. Things like this help build the community.
Land, on the other hand has the potential of being a very devisive
issue. And, IMHO, we are
> just not fiscally ready.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:11:21 -0700

Avete P.C. Rufus,

I agree with you that we all should strive together. But to empanel a portion of the Senate when the following factors have not been met would be a waste of resources:

1. A sustained source of revenue that would be able to pay for and maintain land. (We are talking about maybe $300k a year, around that number.)

I came up with this number thinking of the costs of maintaining the land once purchased, and insuring it. This does not count the costs for construction and zoning which can run into the millions of dollars.

2. A substantial and active population (I am thinking around 100,000 if not more)

Even if we do not have people willing to relocate there permanently, we will need citizens to pay the tax to maintain the land. Of course we will probably gain funds through tourism, but that is a variable and should not be used as a means to budget. Look at what happened after 9/11, tourism and travel industries have suffered greatly.

3. Enough funds in our coffers to purchase land (we are talking at least $500k)

This includes the amount of money we would need to purchase the land. On top of that there will obviously be other fees, and this is likely to cost substantially more if the land is barren and then you will have zoning fees as well.

None of the figures above takes into consideration the cost to build upon the land. If we take that into consideration the price tag will go up astronomically. The cost of materials, labor and planning is going to be just immense.

Even if we met one of these goals I would be more likely to support the creation of a committee in the Senate to debate on the possibility of land purchase.

In the interim, I think the best course of action for anyone in NR is to contribute in developing the cultural and provincial aspects of Nova Roma. Be this in the individual and gens level or in the sodalitas level. There is allot of work that should be done within the state we currently are in...and we should develop that before we jump into a new realm of existence. Especially when that new realm will create new areas of conflict and stress.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Rogers
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:38 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample


Friend Sulla,

I agree with you on all these points, to be sure! We can (and with a
continued streak of good Senators, Consuls, and Censors) strive step-
by-step toward our common goal, a return of Rome on earth. Literally.

I think one of our strongest assets is our ability as Romans to work
together toward a common goal, even if we may disagree on HOW we get
there. Romans were know for the strong, determined, FOCUSED, method
in which they worked and played...I am sure that we here can pool our
combined intellect and come up with a series of long and short term
proposals/ideas/goals...and then get them done.

Maybe we can/should ask the Consuls/Senate to empanel a 7 person
commission to begin the process of selecting criteria, or something
of that nature.
P.C. Rufus


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Avete G. Porticus,
>
> I respectfully must disagree with you on this issue. We are not
just a micronation, we are also a Not for Profit Corporation. We
should take adequate steps to protect ourselves.
>
> Unless land is going to be donated to Nova Roma (also a tax
deduction in the US). I have not been changed in my point of view
that land is a Long term goal (if lucky I will see it in my life
time).
>
> As I posted before, to build up Nova Roma's credibility both within
the organization and outside we should focus on short-term goals that
can be accomplished within a year. For example, reinstituting
coinage each year with the names of the Consuls. Secondly,
reinstituting the Eagle (and make it a more professional magazine
instead of a news letter). Develop the resources of our website so
that we would become the one-stop information source on ancient Rome
(this will take substantially longer, I understand).
> Even public access TV shows in various areas of the country (this is
> something I am looking into). Roman Days type festivities in all
parts of the world. Things like this help build the community.
Land, on the other hand has the potential of being a very devisive
issue. And, IMHO, we are
> just not fiscally ready.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Apollonia Acta -- Roman News and Archeology
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:47:10 -0000

Sextus,

Great work! Thanks very much, I enjoyed it VERY much!

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@m...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> 14 news this week!! Find them at:
>
> http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/
>
> The London plaque of course, but also Spielberg'King Arthur and the
come back
> of Latin at school...
>
> Valete,
>
> --
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
> Propraetor Galliae
> Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
> Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
> Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
> NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
> French Translator
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> This mail sent through MailService.MS -> http://www.MailService.ms

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nice Daily Culture Site
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:05:01 -0400

On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 01:45:35AM -0000, Lithia Viridia wrote:

Salvete, Lithia Viridia et omnes -

> http://members.aol.com/Donnclass/Romelife.html <-- This is a pretty
> nice, straightforward resource for daily Roman life. I think it was
> designed for kids, but it serves as a basic primer for any age.

There's also a very well designed site for kids (but also wonderful for
adults) from the BBC, <http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/romans/>.
Unsurprisingly, the site that you refer to has a link to them.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mea mihi conscientia pluris est quam omnium sermo.
My conscience means more to me than all speech.
-- Cicero, "Epistulae ad Atticum"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] last call for LVCA
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:47:41 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

This is the last call for the LUDI VICTORIAE CULTURAL AWARD, the IIIth
annual edition of the literature's contest organized by the Cohors Aedilis
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.

Hurry up and let's partecipe!!!

We need many many many works, this is the last opportunity for the 2755 to
be appointed in the album of the nova roman cultural winners.
Parteciping to our Award is very easy, write a poem (or novel, tragedy,
history, drama, ecc.) about the most important military and political
victories of Roma. The theme will be:
- ancient roman military victories
- political victories
- roman wars
- roman great heroes

The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed of a maximum
of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can participate
with just _one_ work. It isn't allowed to be a member of a group and
participate as a individual at the same time. The contributed work must be
in English, with a maximum of 500 words. Each text must have the following
facts about the participant(s): Nova Roman name, real name, Nova Roman
Provinceage, e-mail address.
The deadline to send own work is TODAY, by e-mail to
sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caesar] with the subject
"LVCA".

Please, read the regulations at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoriae/cultural_award.htm

HURRY UP AND WRITE !!!

Informations:
- Victoriae c/o Cohors Aedilis - Section Ludi:
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoriae/
- Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus: tjalens.h@telia.com
- Quaestor Franciscus Apulus Caesar: sacro_barese_impero@libero.it

Valete
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] VICTORIAE THEATRE: A Viperous Queen
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:41:11 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

In the 3th day of our wonderful Ludi Victoriae organized bu the Cohors
Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, you can sit down in the virtual Nova
Roman Theatre and look the first multimedial event of this long and exciting
end of October.

To celebrate a famous and very interesting history of the Ancient Rome we
have developed the poem winner of the Ludi Romani Cultural Award: "A
VIPEROUS QUEEN" by Illustrus Quintus Cassius Clavus.
I'ts a sad history about a Queen a beautiful as ambitious staying and loving
between two great roman men. Like a viper she tempted their and by a viper
she dead ...

To see the movie visit
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/vqueen.htm

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The text of the poem is the following:

- VIPEROUS QUEEN -
by Quintus Cassius Clavus (Rich Malley)
Provincia Nova Britania - richmal@attbi.com

O, Viperous Queen,
Poisoning the flesh,
Corrupting the mind.

Lady of the Nile,
Eyes burning of lust,
Ensnare the heart of Caeser.

Temptress of power,
Playing politics of fire,
A fire that is Rome.

Caeser lies dead,
Your world is destroyed,
Dare you yet poison another?

Take another in hand,
Working your poison
Your foul corruption.

By sea or land, Antony?
A question of fate.
She whispers, by sea so to escape.

Destruction draws nigh
O Viperous Queen
How fitting a fate


Valete bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
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