| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] LUDI VICTORIA: Semi-finals |
| From: |
"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@inicia.es> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:26:12 -0000 |
|
These are the semi-finals of the Ludi Victoria. The happiness and the
sadness have been distributed of crushing form.
GROUP I
Aenglish Wildfire
driver: Lupus Britannicus
by Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Veneta
Proeliator
driver: Gustavus Barbarus
by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata
Impactus Infrenatus
driver: Malleus Nolens
by Gn. Octavius Noricus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Albata
Italica
driver: Equus Erectus
by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Russata
Results
Winner: Accident
2nd : Italica
3th : Impactus Infrenatus
4th : Aenglish Wildfire
GOES IN FINAL: Italica
Are we seeing a change in the races? It seems so. The Red Armada,
with violent or risky tactics, is obtaining great results. Though
Proeliator suffered the assault of the terrible Impactus Infrenatus,
hitting on the wall under the shouting happiness of the white fans,
the same Impactus nothing could do to stop the run of Italic, whose
driver defended himself with cruel but effective lashes up to
obtaining the victory. The Reds in the final!
The blue Aenglish Wildfire showed itself something slow, probably
because the race was at the moment of the tea, and his very
britanicus driver could not arrange well the reins, the cup and the
tea-pot.
The green fans did not look at the race. They dedicated their time
carrying out magic conjurations, petitions to gods and using black
magic to remove the curse of their factio.
------------------------------------
GROUP II
Massilia
driver: Leonnatus
by Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata
Golden Age
driver: Kronus
by Gnaeus Arminius Saturninus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Fulminatora
driver: Remus
by Sextus Arminius Remus
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Russata
Results
Winner: Hyacintha Magna
2nd : Massilia
3th : Fulminatora
4th : Golden age
GOES IN FINAL: Hyacintha Magna
Well, well... A totally russata race. The red fans enjoy as children
seeing four chariots of their factio rolling in the track. All four
drivers decide to give spectacle and do a hard, exciting and wild,
but polite race. There is no accident and only the knocking down of
three pretorians (curiously members of the Praesina) got dirty a bit
the end.
Hyacihtha Magna qualifies for the final fighting against Massilia in
the last straight line and passing the line of goal with only half a
head of advantage, receiving later the plaudits of its companions but
rivals in the track. There is so many friendship and good feelings in
the red drivers that the fans of other factiones ask that they should
kiss each other and marry.
A green fan announces that has seen the goddess Venus and She has
said to him that the best way of finishing with the curse of his
factio is to organize a great orgy in his house, but only himself,
miss Praesina and her friends. However, the augures doubts such an
divine message.
------------------------------------------------
GROUP III
B.S.D. Liber
driver: Carolus Daemonicus
by Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Albata
Crux Australis
driver: Victor Hispanicus
by Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Veneta
Metella Maxima
driver: Aegeus
by Lucius Arminius Metellus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata
Attia Clusia
driver: Clodius Rufus
by Appius Arminius Claudianus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Russata
Results
Winner : Crux Australis
2nd : Attia Clusia
3th : B.S.D. Liber
4th : Metella Maxima
GOES IN FINAL: Crux Australis
Another race without accidents, but without good feelings also.
Though there were no violent tactics, the drivers risked his chariots
in every curve and straight line. The spectacle was very good,
probably the best of the Ludi. The four were deserving to win. In the
last lap, the struggle between the blue Crus Australis and the red
Attia Clusia raised the spectators of their seats. But Crus's horses
managed to accelerate much more in the straight line, winning for
scanty centimeters. Incredible! A blue in the final! The scanty fans
of the Veneta wave proudly their flags, scarves and handkerchieves.
It is a historical day for them.
The red ones complain but are still satisfied. The whites begin to
suspect in another curse, while the greens continue with their
prayers and conjurations. The green fan who saw to Venus says now
that Iunus has ordered that Miss Praesina should marry him at once,
or at least one of her friends. However, the augures doubts such an
divine message again.
----------------------------------------------
GROUP IV
Gladius Albus
driver: Damnator
by Marcus Octavius Solaris
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Albata
Niquélia Cupro-Cobaltosa
driver: Cyanexius Eletroliticus
by L. Arminius Faustus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata
Fvror Tevtonicvs
driver: Scissor Obscurvs Northmannvs
by Alexander Solaris Draco
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Incitatus
driver: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
by Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Praesina
Results
Winner: Furor Teutonicus
2nd : Gladius Albus
3th : Incitatus
4th : Niquèlia Cupro-Cobaltosa
GOES IN FINAL: Furor Teutonicus
If the previous one was a nice race. This it was a fright, violent,
bad and bloody one. There were no accidents for divine miracle,
because Scissor of Furor Teutonicus, Damnator of Gladius Albus and
Lanius Paulinus of Incitatus gave lashes, blows and up to bites. The
insane Scissor, insulting in strange language (drunkard?), forced
Niquelia to get into the stables and it almost smashes against the
sacks of alfalfa. Though it managed to return to the race rushing to
a veterinarian, a cleanser and the dear cat of the aedilis.
Paulinus was not so easy prey, he refused with hardness, but the
white chariot Gladius got between him and Scissor, delaying his
march. Then Damnator and Scissor gave more lashes that hair both have
in the head. This hard struggle did not finish when they passed the
line of goal. Fifty pretorians were necessary for separating them.
The photo finish gave victor to Furor Teutonicus. Other red in the
final!
For the first time in Nova Roma there is no greens in the final.
There is a blue against three red.
The whites cry embraced to the greens. The semi-finals have been
horrible for both factiones.
The green fan who speaks with Venus and Iunus complains very angry.
If they had noticed him...
Salix Galaicus
scriba cursus equorum aedilis curulis
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] LUDI VICTORIA: Semi-finals |
| From: |
"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@inicia.es> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:31:52 -0000 |
|
These are the semi-finals of the Ludi Victoria. The happiness and the
sadness have been distributed of crushing form.
GROUP I
Aenglish Wildfire
driver: Lupus Britannicus
by Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Veneta
Proeliator
driver: Gustavus Barbarus
by Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata
Impactus Infrenatus
driver: Malleus Nolens
by Gn. Octavius Noricus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Albata
Italica
driver: Equus Erectus
by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Russata
Results
Winner: Accident
2nd : Italica
3th : Impactus Infrenatus
4th : Aenglish Wildfire
GOES IN FINAL: Italica
Are we seeing a change in the races? It seems so. The Red Armada,
with violent or risky tactics, is obtaining great results. Though
Proeliator suffered the assault of the terrible Impactus Infrenatus,
hitting on the wall under the shouting happiness of the white fans,
the same Impactus nothing could do to stop the run of Italic, whose
driver defended himself with cruel but effective lashes up to
obtaining the victory. The Reds in the final!
The blue Aenglish Wildfire showed itself something slow, probably
because the race was at the moment of the tea, and his very
britanicus driver could not arrange well the reins, the cup and the
tea-pot.
The green fans did not look at the race. They dedicated their time
carrying out magic conjurations, petitions to gods and using black
magic to remove the curse of their factio.
------------------------------------
GROUP II
Massilia
driver: Leonnatus
by Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata
Golden Age
driver: Kronus
by Gnaeus Arminius Saturninus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Fulminatora
driver: Remus
by Sextus Arminius Remus
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Russata
Results
Winner: Hyacintha Magna
2nd : Massilia
3th : Fulminatora
4th : Golden age
GOES IN FINAL: Hyacintha Magna
Well, well... A totally russata race. The red fans enjoy as children
seeing four chariots of their factio rolling in the track. All four
drivers decide to give spectacle and do a hard, exciting and wild,
but polite race. There is no accident and only the knocking down of
three pretorians (curiously members of the Praesina) got dirty a bit
the end.
Hyacihtha Magna qualifies for the final fighting against Massilia in
the last straight line and passing the line of goal with only half a
head of advantage, receiving later the plaudits of its companions but
rivals in the track. There is so many friendship and good feelings in
the red drivers that the fans of other factiones ask that they should
kiss each other and marry.
A green fan announces that has seen the goddess Venus and She has
said to him that the best way of finishing with the curse of his
factio is to organize a great orgy in his house, but only himself,
miss Praesina and her friends. However, the augures doubts such an
divine message.
------------------------------------------------
GROUP III
B.S.D. Liber
driver: Carolus Daemonicus
by Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Albata
Crux Australis
driver: Victor Hispanicus
by Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Veneta
Metella Maxima
driver: Aegeus
by Lucius Arminius Metellus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata
Attia Clusia
driver: Clodius Rufus
by Appius Arminius Claudianus
Race tactic: (1)
Factio: Russata
Results
Winner : Crux Australis
2nd : Attia Clusia
3th : B.S.D. Liber
4th : Metella Maxima
GOES IN FINAL: Crux Australis
Another race without accidents, but without good feelings also.
Though there were no violent tactics, the drivers risked his chariots
in every curve and straight line. The spectacle was very good,
probably the best of the Ludi. The four were deserving to win. In the
last lap, the struggle between the blue Crus Australis and the red
Attia Clusia raised the spectators from their seats. But Crus's
horses
managed to accelerate much more in the straight line, winning for
scanty centimeters. Incredible! A blue in the final! The scanty fans
of the Veneta wave proudly their flags, scarves and handkerchieves.
It is a historical day for them.
The red ones complain but are still satisfied. The whites begin to
suspect in another curse, while the greens continue with their
prayers and conjurations. The green fan who saw to Venus says now
that Iunus has ordered that Miss Praesina should marry him at once,
or at least one of her friends. However, the augures doubts such an
divine message again.
----------------------------------------------
GROUP IV
Gladius Albus
driver: Damnator
by Marcus Octavius Solaris
Race tactic: (4)
Factio: Albata
Niquélia Cupro-Cobaltosa
driver: Cyanexius Eletroliticus
by L. Arminius Faustus
Race tactic: (3)
Factio: Russata
Fvror Tevtonicvs
driver: Scissor Obscurvs Northmannvs
by Alexander Solaris Draco
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Incitatus
driver: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
by Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Praesina
Results
Winner: Furor Teutonicus
2nd : Gladius Albus
3th : Incitatus
4th : Niquèlia Cupro-Cobaltosa
GOES IN FINAL: Furor Teutonicus
If the previous one was a nice race. This it was a fright, violent,
bad and bloody one. There were no accidents for divine miracle,
because Scissor of Furor Teutonicus, Damnator of Gladius Albus and
Lanius Paulinus of Incitatus gave lashes, blows and up to bites. The
insane Scissor, insulting in strange language (drunkard?), forced
Niquelia to get into the stables and it almost smashes against the
sacks of alfalfa. Though it managed to return to the race rushing to
a veterinarian, a cleanser and the dear cat of the aedilis.
Paulinus was not so easy prey, he refused with hardness, but the
white chariot Gladius got between him and Scissor, delaying his
march. Then Damnator and Scissor gave more lashes that hair both have
in the head. This hard struggle did not finish when they passed the
line of goal. Fifty pretorians were necessary for separating them.
The photo finish gave victor to Furor Teutonicus. Other red in the
final!
For the first time in Nova Roma there is no greens in the final.
There is a blue against three red.
The whites cry embraced to the greens. The semi-finals have been
horrible for both factiones.
The green fan who speaks with Venus and Iunus complains very angry.
If they had noticed him...
Salix Galaicus
scriba cursus equorum aedilis curulis
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] This will be the Final |
| From: |
"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@inicia.es> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:35:13 -0000 |
|
FINAL Of LUDI VICTORIA
Italica
driver: Equus Erectus
by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata
Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Crux Australis
driver: Victor Hispanicus
by Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Veneta
Fvror Tevtonicvs
driver: Scissor Obscurvs Northmannvs
by Alexander Solaris Draco
Race tactic: (2)
Factio: Russata
On monday night you will see the result.
Gods bless the drivers and horses!
Salix Galaicus
scriba cursus equorum aedilis curulis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] This wil be the final |
| From: |
"Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@inicia.es> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:36:10 -0000 |
|
FINAL Of LUDI VICTORIA
Italica
driver: Equus Erectus
by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Russata
Hyacintha Magna
driver: Theodorus Citius
by Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
Race tactic: (5)
Factio: Russata
Crux Australis
driver: Victor Hispanicus
by Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Race tactic: (6)
Factio: Veneta
Fvror Tevtonicvs
driver: Scissor Obscurvs Northmannvs
by Alexander Solaris Draco
Race tactic: (2)
Factio: Russata
On monday night you will see the result.
Gods bless the drivers and horses!
Salix Galaicus
scriba cursus equorum aedilis curulis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: VICTORIAE THEATRE: A Viperous Queen |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 05:09:44 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
> To celebrate a famous and very interesting history of the Ancient
Rome we
> have developed the poem winner of the Ludi Romani Cultural Award: "A
> VIPEROUS QUEEN" by Illustrus Quintus Cassius Clavus.
> I'ts a sad history about a Queen a beautiful as ambitious staying
and loving
> between two great roman men. Like a viper she tempted their and by
a viper
> she dead ...
A most excellent visual adaptation and interpetation. Well done,
Franciscus Apulus Caeser, well done indeed.
Vale,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Confirmation of Priesthoods |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:37:40 -0500 |
|
Salvete
I hereby acknowledge and confirm the following new flamines and priests.
Quintus Volcatius Romanus - Flamen Volcanalis
Caius iulius Barcinus Ciconius - Flamen Furinalis
Ambrosius Silvanius Urbius - Epulones Priest
Gaius Modius Athanasius - Flamen Pomonalis
Vopisca Iulia Cocceia - Sacerdotes Palatua
Hadrianus Rutilius Bardicus - Flamen Cerealis
May the Gods of Roma smile upon them and guide them in their duties.
Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus Lictor
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:33:37 -0700 |
|
Avete C. Porticus et Omnes,
Thoughts and ideas are perfectly acceptable. I am certain we all agree with that. But establishing a committee of Senators for the express interest in land (which is specifically the aspect I responded to) at this juncture in Nova Roma's existence is, in my honest opinion a waste of resources and talent that can be used in areas of Nova Roma, given that those talents and experiences of Senators can be utilized in other areas of Nova Roma.
In the future the Senatos involvement (ie, the establishment of a committee) should be re-evaluated when our resources (finacies, citizen involvement and numbers, and sustained revenue)have been greatly expanded.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: G.Porticus Brutis
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample
Thank you Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix For a well put Posting.Yes I agree that it will take alot of money but this does get the wheels a turning.We could get a list of people to whom may want to move there and maintain the land,and work to build up the land.This could cut off a little of the cost"just a little". It's athought!
Brutis
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:Avete P.C. Rufus,
I agree with you that we all should strive together. But to empanel a portion of the Senate when the following factors have not been met would be a waste of resources:
1. A sustained source of revenue that would be able to pay for and maintain land. (We are talking about maybe $300k a year, around that number.)
I came up with this number thinking of the costs of maintaining the land once purchased, and insuring it. This does not count the costs for construction and zoning which can run into the millions of dollars.
2. A substantial and active population (I am thinking around 100,000 if not more)
Even if we do not have people willing to relocate there permanently, we will need citizens to pay the tax to maintain the land. Of course we will probably gain funds through tourism, but that is a variable and should not be used as a means to budget. Look at what happened after 9/11, tourism and travel industries have suffered greatly.
3. Enough funds in our coffers to purchase land (we are talking at least $500k)
This includes the amount of money we would need to purchase the land. On top of that there will obviously be other fees, and this is likely to cost substantially more if the land is barren and then you will have zoning fees as well.
None of the figures above takes into consideration the cost to build upon the land. If we take that into consideration the price tag will go up astronomically. The cost of materials, labor and planning is going to be just immense.
Even if we met one of these goals I would be more likely to support the creation of a committee in the Senate to debate on the possibility of land purchase.
In the interim, I think the best course of action for anyone in NR is to contribute in developing the cultural and provincial aspects of Nova Roma. Be this in the individual and gens level or in the sodalitas level. There is allot of work that should be done within the state we currently are in...and we should develop that before we jump into a new realm of existence. Especially when that new realm will create new areas of conflict and stress.
Most Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Rogers
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:38 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample
Friend Sulla,
I agree with you on all these points, to be sure! We can (and with a
continued streak of good Senators, Consuls, and Censors) strive step-
by-step toward our common goal, a return of Rome on earth. Literally.
I think one of our strongest assets is our ability as Romans to work
together toward a common goal, even if we may disagree on HOW we get
there. Romans were know for the strong, determined, FOCUSED, method
in which they worked and played...I am sure that we here can pool our
combined intellect and come up with a series of long and short term
proposals/ideas/goals...and then get them done.
Maybe we can/should ask the Consuls/Senate to empanel a 7 person
commission to begin the process of selecting criteria, or something
of that nature.
P.C. Rufus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Avete G. Porticus,
>
> I respectfully must disagree with you on this issue. We are not
just a micronation, we are also a Not for Profit Corporation. We
should take adequate steps to protect ourselves.
>
> Unless land is going to be donated to Nova Roma (also a tax
deduction in the US). I have not been changed in my point of view
that land is a Long term goal (if lucky I will see it in my life
time).
>
> As I posted before, to build up Nova Roma's credibility both within
the organization and outside we should focus on short-term goals that
can be accomplished within a year. For example, reinstituting
coinage each year with the names of the Consuls. Secondly,
reinstituting the Eagle (and make it a more professional magazine
instead of a news letter). Develop the resources of our website so
that we would become the one-stop information source on ancient Rome
(this will take substantially longer, I understand).
> Even public access TV shows in various areas of the country (this is
> something I am looking into). Roman Days type festivities in all
parts of the world. Things like this help build the community.
Land, on the other hand has the potential of being a very devisive
issue. And, IMHO, we are
> just not fiscally ready.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Tabularium |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:36:37 -0700 |
|
Avete Publius,
We already are a not for profit corporation.
Citizens, please, take a chance to view our Tabularium, many of your answers can already be answered at this portion of our website:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/
In there you will find our Articles of Incorporation, Constitution, Declaration of Nova Roma and the various laws that have been passed from Leges, Senatus Consulta, Edicta.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: William Rogers
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:13 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample = An Idea here on where to start...
Ave!
Obviously, we have some STRONG feelings about the land and taxes
issue. Let us not go far from our short/long term goal: The
REALIZATION of a home.
Let me be clear, this will NOT be an overnight thing, we all know
that!
One way we have to hopefully realize our goal will be from the
reception of gifts, financial, land, whatever. I wold like to take
this opportunity to suggest we file for a not for profit tax
exemption status from somewhere. Once we do that, someone could
donate land to us, and get a tax writeoff...and if we can become tax
exempt, that would allow us to reduce or eliminate the property tax.
While this is most definately not the end of the process, we MUST
begin to take some steps...even if they are baby steps. Let us not
fight amongst ourselves...there are QUITE ENOUGH BARBARIANS out there
for us to fight with!
If you sincerely believe that writing and/or speaking latin is that
important, I recommend putting your money where your mouth is. I say
stop quibbling, and begin to develop a lating training system that we
can get here on the internet, set up a website we can turn in
assignemtns or where we can mail them in. Select a textbook I can
purchase, or make individual lessons available from the net. Yes, I
know, this SHALL take time...but once again, FOCUS! A good Roman can
FOCUS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Just in what I have read in my short time here has shown to me we
have absolutely BRILLIANT minds here! We have a wonderful woman who
has done TONS of translation work! We CAN make this happen...JUST
STOP WHIMPERING, and START! SO WHAT if we have to go back later
and "tweak" the initial work? WHO CARES?! It's not who gets the
glory, but that we ALL strive to what is best for our COMMON GOAL!
Tell me how I can help...I'll gladly devote 5 hours a week to begin
the initial work...I haven't done any website work in over 4 years,
but I can surelt buy a book oh HTML and begin step by step if I have
the text and pictures available!
I say we begin to put our minds and bodies where our mouths are!
I step up, and state clearly, Consuls, Censors, Praetors, Paters,
Flaimen, how may I assist you?
Feel free to contact me:
William Rogers
3309 Calibre Creek Parkway
Roswell, GA 30076
Work: (tues - Sat 8am to 5:30pm) 404-442-8811
Fax: 404-364-0922
Cell: 770-862-2091
Home: 770-993-5314
Who else will take up the call? HHHHUUUUMMMMM? WHO!?
Publius
======================================
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@y...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry to say this but this is just crap! How dare you build
people up just to tear them down!I'm sorry if I'm over stepping me
bounds but really man this is junk plan and simple. I join NR to be
apart of something great, not the sca! This group has no goals but to
play,learn and have fun.I'm not saying thats bad but its not what
made me want to be a Nova Roman.If you brush me and others off, that
feel this strongly about the land idea than you pushing away the
future of NR.Your telling me that every person out here thats talked
and brought ideas to the group has done this in vain.
> You said "
> It is not just buying a couple of acres and putting up a nice
> building,
> and maybe a theme park and call it a country, and for people to go
to,
> for
> vacation with the kids, dressed in a toga. "
>
> Ok get real man thats not what we're about,try reading all the
postings left by people whom have given ideas about it.They want to
make it work,and if you ask them they'll tell you just how far they
will go.{like living there and building it with there bare hands,I'm
looking to do just that}
>
> here I agree "The most important thing to do at this time is to
consolidate
> Novaroma
> and build up the infrastructure of the citizenry and
community" but how are we going to consolidate and build up
the community???A few years ago I did sales you know getting people
to help you sale things to comp.but for every 10 people I had 8 would
leave in just one day.The others just one week,and none after that.It
was not the things being sold but the person pushing the idea of how
to sale it.
>
> Same here you must build the ones that just join and keep the ideas
flowing to keep them here.Maybe if you would help some people around
you that we would have more staying around.Just ask and see how many
are active members and how many are gone.
>
> DREAMERS ARE THE FUTURE and if you take the dream away like you
have said in your post then welcome to the SCA where we can seat
around and talk about old rome and speak Latin "good great fine" but
your NR is just a joke then.
>
> You said "We are only 1,500 cives, and when we become 10,000 cives,
then,
> maybe,
> we could start thinking about the land project, and I want to
emphasize
> the
> word MAYBE." Thank you for the maybe...Yes if we have more like
10,000 we could, I say work with what you have.IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE
CART THEN BUILD IT.How many times are we willing to push others away
by what we say but not the guts to try to bring them back.They most
have join for some reason,and left for another.
>
> YOU WANT TAXES TRY PUTTING IT ON THE WEB SITE WHERE PEOPLE CAN FIND
IT.I've still not heard form anyone about where to send in moneys and
how much we are to give.
>
> you said"
> As to the dreaming, it is proper to do. But don't count on
living
> that
> dream.Dreams don't happen from one day to the other, and this is
not
> television either. This is the real world. I can see some people
> making
> faces already. Sorry amicos! No DisneyRoma for you until you
learn
> your
> Latin first."
>
> WHAT A TROLL THING TO SAY! You speak of honor and values I say you
have nether.If you have honor you'd not tell others how to live there
lives.Yes to learn Latin is good but to tell someone that I say your
a jerk.Not because you don't think the way I do but to pick on others
just because they do have a dream or because they may not speak the
way you might.
>
> I'm sorry if I may have made others mad thats not what I want to do
but this post of his does nothing for NR'S greater good.
>
> G.PORTICUS BRUTIS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gaius Galerius Peregrinator <gaiusgalerius@h...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I didn't expect so many to take this land project so seriously, at
this
> point in time, it being so premature, and it keeps coming back.
Consul
> Cornelius is one of the few people who spoke elequently and
realistically
> about this issue.
>
> It is not just buying a couple of acres and putting up a nice
building,
> and maybe a theme park and call it a country, and for people to go
to, for
> vacation with the kids, dressed in a toga. I even doubt it if most
of the
> citizenry would want that.
>
> The most important thing to do at this time is to consolidate
Novaroma
> and build up the infrastructure of the citizenry and community,
learn about
> history and the people who made that history, educate ourselves
about being
> Romans, and all those values of family, of honor, of comitas, of
pietas..and
> the rest. And as the good Consul pointed out; concentrate on the
short term
> goals: the magazine, the coins, the tax, become an information
source..and
> the rest. You realize that only 14% of the citizenry paid tax. AND
MOST
> IMPORTANT OF ALL IS TO LEARN LATIN. YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF A
ROMAN IF YOU
> DO NOT SPEAK A MODICUM OF LATIN, AT LEAST.
>
> We are only 1,500 cives, and when we become 10,000 cives, then,
maybe,
> we could start thinking about the land project, and I want to
emphasize the
> word MAYBE.
>
> One thing at a time. I can't even use the analogy of the horse and
a
> cart, because we have neither the horse nor the cart, not yet.
>
> As to the dreaming, it is proper to do. But don't count on living
that
> dream. The realization of the dreams is not for us. Just like we
live and
> reap the dreams and works of those who came before us. They did the
> dreaming and the work and we reap it. Remember the Roman saying of
planting
> the tree, but not living long enough to eat the fruit.
>
> Dreams don't happen from one day to the other, and this is not
> television either. This is the real world. I can see some people
making
> faces already. Sorry amicos! No DisneyRoma for you until you learn
your
> Latin first.
>
> and valete
>
> Galerius Peregrinator.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "L. Cornelius Sulla"
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@y...
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tax rate - an axample
> >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:01:25 -0700
> >
> >Avete G. Porticus,
> >
> >I respectfully must disagree with you on this issue. We are not
just a
> >micronation, we are also a Not for Profit Corporation. We should
take
> >adequate steps to protect ourselves.
> >
> >Unless land is going to be donated to Nova Roma (also a tax
deduction in
> >the
> >US). I have not been changed in my point of view that land is a
Long term
> >goal (if lucky I will see it in my life time).
> >
> >As I posted before, to build up Nova Roma's credibility both
within the
> >organization and outside we should focus on short-term goals that
can be
> >accomplished within a year. For example, reinstituting coinage
each year
> >with the names of the Consuls. Secondly, reinstituting the Eagle
(and make
> >it a more professional magazine instead of a news letter). Develop
the
> >resources of our website so that we would become the one-stop
information
> >source on ancient Rome (this will take substantially longer, I
understand).
> >Even public access TV shows in various areas of the country (this
is
> >something I am looking into). Roman Days type festivities in all
parts of
> >the world. Things like this help build the community. Land, on the
other
> >hand has the potential of being a very devisive issue. And, IMHO,
we are
> >just not fiscally ready.
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:39:52 -0700 |
|
Avete Omnes,
This is something we all should strive to do. Up to this date we have had yearly gatherings in Maryland at an event called Roman Days.
In Europe they have (within the past year) started to hold events in Belgium and at other locals.
In California we have bi-monthly meetings (primarily in Southern California) and soon hope to have a Roman Days type celebration.
I am also aware of some meetings that have been posted in South America.
These are all excellent starts and should be expanded on in the future.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample
In my opinion the first steps that should be taken is to ensure that Nova Roma becomes a face to face entity (primarily), and a virtual community (secondary). Once this is done, the land project will be easier to figure out. Right now we need to focus on getting people off of their computers and meeting other Nova Romans face to face.
An example. Lacus Magni had an event were everyone in the Province were invited and encouraged to attend. Only about 6 showed up. And Ohio has 53 Nova Romans. We need to support our local interests.
Until we become a tight and close group of people I do not see buying joint land a reality. We are not yet a "People," we are group of individuals.
In Fellowship;
G. Modius Athanasius
In a message dated 10/19/2002 8:47:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, spqr753@msn.com writes:
>
>
> Salve,
>
> It seems to me as I read the e-mails on the land question that the consciences has determined that it is a long term proposition that may be twenty years or more in the future. Ok I can agree to that but what steps should we be taking in these next twenty years to be ready for the day that we do have the money to buy the land and to build.
>
> Should we not work to establish College scholarships for those Citizens or children of Citizens who might want to study Civil Engineering, Urban Planning, Architecture and other useful and need skills that can be called upon in the next twenty years( or so). Should we not have a design contest over this time period to choose what our first and Capital City will look like? Is the Capital city of Nova Roma going to be a reconstruction of ancient Rome or another Roman city with no modern aspects or is it going to be a modern Roman city with cars and other modern amenities like electricity and modern pluming? These are some of the questions that we need to be talking about ,if in twenty years we want to see some concrete progress on the physical manifestation of NEW ROME on Earth. Just a few thoughts to further the discussion.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Land tax stuff... |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:48:38 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Thank you Germanicaus this has plagued me for month's.I'm please that you have helped me out.
G.Porticus Brutis
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> wrote: Salve Luci Portice,
> I am wondering when the tax is required to be sent and if it's possible
> to send it via check?
The due date is the end of February. You can mail a check to our P.O. Box
(the address of which is on the main page) any time prior to that; but it
would be better to wait until after January 1st, so that next year's
Quaestores will be in office and be prepared to receive it.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Confirmation of Priesthoods |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Hadrianus=20Rutilius=20Bardulus?= <gens_rutilia@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:21:02 +0200 (CEST) |
|
Salve, Tite Labiene Fortunate,
Please, take notice that my cognomen isn't "Bardicus" but "Bardulus". Our Pontifex Maximus has been yet mailed by me about this name confussion.
Vale,
Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus
Flamen Cerealis Novae Romae
Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org> wrote:Salvete
I hereby acknowledge and confirm the following new flamines and priests.
Quintus Volcatius Romanus - Flamen Volcanalis
Caius iulius Barcinus Ciconius - Flamen Furinalis
Ambrosius Silvanius Urbius - Epulones Priest
Gaius Modius Athanasius - Flamen Pomonalis
Vopisca Iulia Cocceia - Sacerdotes Palatua
Hadrianus Rutilius Bardicus - Flamen Cerealis
May the Gods of Roma smile upon them and guide them in their duties.
Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus Lictor
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample |
| From: |
AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:06:49 -0400 |
|
Greetings Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix;
The things that are being done around the globe, will surely have an effect on the building of our culture. However, it is my opinion that these activities are being done because people ideally want to be with other people. They want to put faces to names. The void is being filled naturally, because it is in our human nature.
Putting faces to names is one thing the NR website does well (awesome site btw), there are photos of people from all over the world. This is a good thing. I know I may never make it to Europe again, but its nice to put a face to a name.
What I think is important is the establishment of official local groupings of citizens, either for cultural purposes or for religious endeavors. Should this be organized on the Provincial level, through Propraetorial edicts? I don't have the answer to that one. Nova Roma was built from the top downward. Now is the time to start working on the downward portion.
In Fellowship;
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Flamen Pomonalis
Legate - Lacus Magni
In a message dated 10/20/2002 2:39:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexious@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> This is something we all should strive to do. Up to this date we have had yearly gatherings in Maryland at an event called Roman Days.
>
> In Europe they have (within the past year) started to hold events in Belgium and at other locals.
>
> In California we have bi-monthly meetings (primarily in Southern California) and soon hope to have a Roman Days type celebration.
>
> I am also aware of some meetings that have been posted in South America.
>
> These are all excellent starts and should be expanded on in the future.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Consul
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tax rate - an axample |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:58:01 +0200 |
|
Salve Honorable Gaius Modius Athanasius!
My "private" message was nothing secret, I just wanted to ask You the
following:
I have read your thoughts about local, local and local. What do You
say about my idea for a "Roman House Movement"?
There seems to be some problem between your AOL server which says
that my server (the Sweduish National Phone Company) sends "bulk" or
something. This is the first time ever I have had problems contacting
someone on the Internet. If You would like to communicate privately
for some reason I think that You must use another mail provider. ;-)
I am recieving your private mail easily, but I can't send anything to
You. :-(
Have a good Sunday evening!
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] attn. argentinos |
| From: |
"Daniel" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:03:34 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes cives argentini novaromani and friends of factio Veneta
I hope to meet you all at the Circus on Monday! :-) . I hope to hear
your hurrays. Your propraetor with his chariot Crux Australis driven
by Victor Hispanicus belonging to the factio veneta is the only one
facing the powerful and numerous factio russata!!.
Espero encontrarlos a todos en el Circo el Lunes .-) . Espero
escuchar vuestros hurras!. Vuestro propraetor con su carro Crux
Australis manejado por Victor Hispanicus, perteneciente a la factio
Véneta es el único que se enfrentará a la poderosa y numerosa fatio
Russata!!
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinæ
Owner of Crux Australis
Member of factio Veneta
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: VICTORIAE THEATRE: A Viperous Queen |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:00:11 +0200 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
> I thourally enjoyed the poem...and the film! WELL DONE! Hail Omnibus!
> A most excellent visual adaptation and interpetation. Well done,
> Franciscus Apulus Caeser, well done indeed.
Thank you very much for your kind words, it's a very plaesure for the Cohors
Aedilis of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus. We're daily engaged to offer you all
new and exciting events during the Ludi. Your congratulations are the best
prize for us because they show we're working as good as possible.
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
Yahoo Messanger: fapulus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] R: LUDI VICTORIA: Semi-finals |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:54:14 +0200 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
Well, the 4th and last annual edition of Ludi Circenses are finishing. We're
waiting the great Final of VLC to create the list of best 16 players of the
year. They'll partecipe in the last and wonderful MAXIMI LUDI CIRCENSES from
28th October to 1st November appinting the BEST CHARIOTEER OF 2755.
The Factio Russata will win the last Ludi? will have Blues the support of
the Gods? Praesina is the best factio or Russata could take it? Albata take
Veneta in the final hit-parade?
Read the races' histories by Salix Galaicus at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/Vsemifinals.htm
The start-line of the VLC Final is published at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/Vtour.htm
And visit the website of your Factio leaving a message in the Forum. Here
you can check the hit-parade of players, the winners and the news about the
team.
Visit the following websiets:
PRAESINA :
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/factio/praesina/index.htm
RUSSATA :
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/factio/russata/index.htm
VENETA :
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/factio/veneta/index.htm
ALBATA :
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/factio/albata/index.htm
Valete bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
Yahoo Messanger: fapulus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Congratulations RUSSATA !!! |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:04:38 +0100 (BST) |
|
Salvete!
Three reds in the final of the Ludi Circenses! Finally
the red armada is having some success!!
I am sure we will defeat the lonely blue chariot and
win these Ludi!
RUSSATA FOREVER!!!
Valete bene
=====
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
----------
Aedilis Plebis
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations RUSSATA !!! |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:16:04 +0200 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
Long live Factio Russata!
RUSSATA FOREVER!!!
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Website Enhancement |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:53:19 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
I am pleased to announce, at long last, the addition of a search
engine to our website.
With the newly-installed ht://dig software, you may search for
any word or boolean expression in all the pages of our web site
and in over four years of mailing list archives.
A simple search widget is on the main page; advanced search can
be found at
http://www.novaroma.org/search.html
Valete,
M. Octavius Germanicus,
Consul et Curator.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Website Enhancement |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:40:15 +0200 |
|
Salve Illustris Curator Araneum!
Well done! ;-)
>I am pleased to announce, at long last, the addition of a search
>engine to our website.
>
>With the newly-installed ht://dig software, you may search for
>any word or boolean expression in all the pages of our web site
>and in over four years of mailing list archives.
>
>A simple search widget is on the main page; advanced search can
>be found at
> http://www.novaroma.org/search.html
>
>Valete,
>M. Octavius Germanicus,
>Consul et Curator.
>
>--
>Marcus Octavius Germanicus
>Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
>Curator Araneum et Senator
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas and Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Congratulations RUSSATA !!! |
| From: |
"Daniel" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:35:24 -0000 |
|
Salvete
The last word isn´t said yet!! :-).
I´m sure Fortuna will be with my chariot Crux Australis and Factio
Veneta yet!
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Proprætor provincialis Argentinæ
Factio Veneta
Owner of chariot Crux Australis.
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
<consulromanus@y...> wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> Three reds in the final of the Ludi Circenses! Finally
> the red armada is having some success!!
>
> I am sure we will defeat the lonely blue chariot and
> win these Ludi!
>
> RUSSATA FOREVER!!!
>
> Valete bene
>
> =====
> Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
> ----------
> Aedilis Plebis
> Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum
> Dominus Factionis Russatae
> Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
> ***HORUM OMNIUM FORTISSIME SUNT BELGAE***
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: VICTORIAE THEATRE: A Viperous Queen |
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Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
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Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:09:27 +0200 |
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Salve Caesar and Cohors,
this was incredible!! I am so pleased we are able to achieve this in NR.
What an accomplishment. Congratulations to you all!!
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Sextus Apollonius Scipio
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Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
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NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations RUSSATA !!! |
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Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
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Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:11:55 +0200 |
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Quoting Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>:
> Salvete Quirites!
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> Long live Factio Russata!
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> RUSSATA FOREVER!!!
RUSSATA RUSSATA RA RA RA
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator
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[Nova-Roma] Numeric correspondences (WAS: Priestesses of Venus?) |
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=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
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Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:30:57 +0100 (BST) |
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me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> Now there's a thought: although the gospels were written in Greek, 666 in Roman
> numbers is DCLXVI. That is, all of them except M=1,000. Was that meant to
> mean the number of Man is everything except for {whatever M represents}?
The ancients were very keen on number correspondences. As well as the Roman numerals, numbers could be respresented by letters in both Greek and Latin, and in Hebrew also. I forget the exact correspondences (initially it was just A=1, B=2 &c., but later the intervals increased to avoid having letters representing relatively useless numbers like 17), but the result was, among other things, that every word could be added up and expressed the sum of its letters. Some of the results of this noted by late antique and early medieval thinkers were: The sum of the Greek word Iesous (Jesus) is 888. The sum of antichrist is 666. This number, written in Roman numerals, is, as you say, DCLXVI, every numeral in descending order of size, omitting M. (A Chancellor of Oxford University some centuries ago rearranged the numerals to give the antichrist the nickname 'DICLUX', which with some imagination can be read as 'He says he is the Light'.) Also, 888 in Roman numerals is DCCCLXXXVIII (you can check all these with a Roman numeral converter like this one: http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/roman.html). If you line them up, you get this (if I can make the alignment work):
Antichrist: D C L X V I
Jesus: DCCCLXXXVIII
In other words, antichrist is Jesus with every other numeral missing.
Personally I don't find any great significance in all this, but it's an interesting numerical game, and if one likes to see the hand of god or cosmic forces at work, this sort of exercise is a good way to find it.
Jamie
www.strategikon.org
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