| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My Take on the Academia |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:07:19 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salve Praetrix Pompeia Cornelia,
> Here is what I think: I question if the idea behind naming Academia
> Thule a "University" on the main website was a plan to present it as
> equivalent to a macronational university. I wonder if perhaps, this
> was the only name suitable the founders felt they could find, in the
> English Language, which they felt people would understand.
Not at all.
The phrase "Online University" was mine, and mine alone. The founders
of the Academia asked me to put a link on the site; I chose the
text that accompanies it. It was meant to be simple and descriptive,
nothing more.
I'll consult with the organizers of the Academia to determine what
descriptive text they would prefer.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:16:51 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete,
Despite it's low price I would advise against any land
purchases in Albania. It's a Muslam country, and no
religion is more anti-pagan than Islam. I realize that
the vast majority of Albanians are moderates, and that
(so far) there is little evidance of native fanaticism
in Albania, However the fanatics in other nations
consider that once a nation becomes Muslam that it is
permantly part of the Islamic world. Since the Religio
is so prominant in Nova Roma, it would not be a good
idea for a Pagan organization to purchase land in
Albania. It could attract some attention from people
who will look upon us the same way they look at
Isreal, and who are prepared to resort to violence to
"rectify" a situation they dislike.
--- William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Quintus, et all,
>
> I was speaking with Caius Tarquitius last night, and
> he made a very
> good point; in many areas of Italy, Albania, Greece,
> and other
> southern european macronations there is good land at
> a very low
> price. He explained a good way to generate income
> utilizing (at least
> initially) a "Roman" style "bed and
> breakfast/resort" concept to
> generate cashflow, and purchase more land.
>
> While we all agree we will not get land soon (unless
> someone knows
> someone who will donate!), it IS good to look at
> varying ideas,
> plans, concerns...it will keep us idealists (like
> me) focused on some
> of the realities! :-)
>
> While not very knowledgeable n ancient Roman
> religions (I am a former
> Mormon, now Roman Catholic), If we can find reliable
> information on
> the ceremonies, I honestly believe the Leader of the
> Nova-Roma
> religions should make the call on the flame....this
> person knows what
> is possible, not me! Maybe it's time to allow our
> priests to show
> more outward signs of ther duties, if at all
> possible. Just a humble
> opinion.
>
> Publius Tarquitius Rufus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > > Summers here are warm to hot. Just the Winters
> > > are cold but no
> > > worse than the American North East or north west
> > > which gets more snow
> > > than we do. Still only the more stoic Marcus
> > > Aurelius type of Nova
> > > Romans would best survive here.
> >
> > Climate is something that would have to be
> considered
> > when we get around to purchasing land. In many
> parts
> > of North America and Europe it simply isn't
> possible
> > to wear a Toga outside during a considerable
> portion
> > of the year.
> >
> > =====
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis
> telum est."
> > (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the
> killer's hand.)
> > Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
> >
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>
>
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"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Canadian land ownership (was Land) |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:11:00 -0500 |
|
Thats even worse. We can't have some gravy eating Queen ultimately owning our land.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Canadian land ownership (was Land)
Quintus Lanius Paulinus writes:
> Just a few points. You can certainly own land in
> Canada as a foreigner.
The legal position of the Canadian government is, I
think, that ultimately all Canadian land ownership
lies with the Crown. Canadian citizens and landed
immigrants who purchase land do so at the pleasure
of the monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth) and with
the express understanding that the Crown holds the
ultimate title to all Canadian lands.
That said, Quintus Lanius is certainly correct in his
statement that many non-citizens hold title to
Canadian properties. Especially vacation properties.
=====
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The Variations of Canadian Climate |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 02:01:06 -0000 |
|
Salvete Land Aspiring Weather Watchers Nova Roma!
There are definitely regions up here in Canukia which are mercilessly
cold in the winter time, and do not enjoy the best of summers.
This is a big country geographically, and weather patterns do vary.
This is a little known, but good example, I think.
The southern most point of the province of Ontario is Pelee Island,
where many vineyards abound. Apparently, it corresponds
latitudinally to the tip of Northern California, and the climates are
much the same.
I didn't realize this, but when one recalls that the earth is a
globe, it makes sense.
Just thought I would share this little tidbit of information :)
Pompeia
(who cannot afford any land on Pelee Island for Nova Roma, sorry)
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Citizenship / religious oath |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:04:03 -0500 |
|
Do we have any augurs? I want to be an augur. I watch birds all the time.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Citizenship / religious oath
Salve Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis ,
< and say ah, I am Christian and I think NR should be adjusted to the post
Constantine era, paganism should be erradicated etc
The fact that Nova Roma honors the Pagan Gods is what attracts many people
to it. Many Nova Romans honor the Roman Pantheon in their macronational life
as well as in their micronational. And there are many many pagans out there.
My macronational Pagan organization alone has 6000 paying members in the
London area (at 20? a head per year). It won't be so easy to get rid of us
:-)
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
(http://www.be.paganfederation.org)
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma]Roman cops |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 02:05:04 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> The other side is that the poor would not see much point in
bringing a case
> where
> > magistrates would be lenient to their own and impose financial
penalties
> > impossible for the poor.
Also making things difficult for the poor was in order to sue in what
would now be called a civil proceeding, one had to lodge a sponsio
equal to the sum of money they were suing for, if one lost the case,
you lost your sponsio. While I'm sure it cut way down on frivilous
law suits, it put justice out of the financial reach of the common
person.
> Ancient cities usually tried to protect the rich or nobility. Much
had to do
> their importance in the city life. The poor was left to fend for
> themselves. Many crossroad associations formed posses to protect
their own
> from brigands.
And in no doubt some cases the crossroads associations were the
brigands and their protection was akin to the protection afforded by
the Mafia. <Grin>
Vale,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] The Variations of Canadian Climate |
| From: |
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT) |
|
The fair Pompeia Cornelia Strabo writes:
> The southern most point of the province of Ontario
> is Pelee Island, where many vineyards abound.
> Apparently, it corresponds latitudinally to the tip
> of Northern California, and the climates are
> much the same.
Pelee Island is also at very nearly the same
latitude (41 degrees north) as Rome (40). My
uncle's home in Leamington, the small city
adjacent to Point Pelee provincial park, enjoys
a pleasant mild climate throughout the year.
I, on the other hand, live in the sub-tropical humid
and wretched climate of central Maryland, common to
Washington DC, at a latitude which has more in common
with Saharan Africa than with Rome.
=====
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land) |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:54:32 -0000 |
|
---Salve Gai Basilicate:
Oh, common, be a sport, eh?
Hmmm, however, I somehow cannot *see* HRM Elizabeth II munching down
a plate of fries sopping in gravy.
I should think they could be safely consumed, by the way, per annum.
The are 'myocardial infarct on a plate' in my view.....dripping with
LDH, cholesteral, calories.........
Blaaaahh!
Pompeia
In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@k...>
wrote:
> Thats even worse. We can't have some gravy eating Queen ultimately
owning our land.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
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> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:34 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Canadian land ownership (was Land)
>
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus writes:
>
> > Just a few points. You can certainly own land in
> > Canada as a foreigner.
>
> The legal position of the Canadian government is, I
> think, that ultimately all Canadian land ownership
> lies with the Crown. Canadian citizens and landed
> immigrants who purchase land do so at the pleasure
> of the monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth) and with
> the express understanding that the Crown holds the
> ultimate title to all Canadian lands.
>
> That said, Quintus Lanius is certainly correct in his
> statement that many non-citizens hold title to
> Canadian properties. Especially vacation properties.
>
>
>
> =====
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>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Land Project and French Fries |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:08:50 -0500 |
|
Actually, the "Julienne cut" was named for Julian the Apostate, who refused to eat potatoes unless they were deep fried in creamy pork fat. I have references for this.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Kershaw
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Land Project and French Fries
Salve Diana:
I'm not sure if you meant this as a joke or picked it up as Urban Folklore somewhere, but according to http://www.belgianfries.com/index.cfm?Module=histor1, the Belgians did invent French fries, but nowhere near as far back as 1302. French fry stands were known in both France and Belgium by the mid-19th C., with the earliest known record of such stands in Belgium (according to the site) giving a date of 1862. Meanwhile, U.S. President Jefferson was known to be fan of French-cut fried potatoes, writing of them as a treat he discovered overseas, in the late 1700s (which suggests a French source of the fries, after all).
They're not called "French fries" because the method of cooking them is from France. The name comes from the style of cutting the potatoes, also called "Julienne." And since the ultimate root of Julienne would be related (in some shape or form) to our erstwhile Caesar, the truth can finally be known:
FRENCH FRIES ARE ROMAN. =) *beg*
Vale,
Festus
[Diana says:]
You haven't lived until you've eaten french fries with Mayonnaise :-) By the
way, they are really Flemish Fries (an invention of Marc Van den Frie in the
year 1302). The French stole the idea and do to a more effective propaganda
machine, convinced the world that Flemish Fries were invented in France by a
man names Pierre D'Patate-frites, thus the misnomer stuck: French Fries. ;-)
So, if the Land Project's location will be based on the tastiest sliced
potatoes deep-fried in oil, it should be in Belgium:-)
Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Variations of Canadian Climate |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 02:27:39 -0000 |
|
---Salve Cassi:
We are just *too darned good* to people, now aren't we? (grin)
Po
In Nova-Roma@y..., "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@a...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > Salvete Land Aspiring Weather Watchers Nova Roma!
> >
> > There are definitely regions up here in Canukia which are
> mercilessly
> > cold in the winter time, and do not enjoy the best of summers.
> >
>
> Sounds like a typical day in Nova Britania, today we enjoyed rain,
> sleet, snow, then windy sunshine all before lunch. <Grin>
> All this wonderful weather brought to us courtesy of a cold front
> from our friends north of the border.
>
> Vale,
>
> Quintus Cassius Calvus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Variations of Canadian Climate |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 02:09:45 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Land Aspiring Weather Watchers Nova Roma!
>
> There are definitely regions up here in Canukia which are
mercilessly
> cold in the winter time, and do not enjoy the best of summers.
>
Sounds like a typical day in Nova Britania, today we enjoyed rain,
sleet, snow, then windy sunshine all before lunch. <Grin>
All this wonderful weather brought to us courtesy of a cold front
from our friends north of the border.
Vale,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land) |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:48:43 -0500 |
|
hahahahahahaha.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land)
---Salve Gai Basilicate:
Oh, common, be a sport, eh?
Hmmm, however, I somehow cannot *see* HRM Elizabeth II munching down
a plate of fries sopping in gravy.
I should think they could be safely consumed, by the way, per annum.
The are 'myocardial infarct on a plate' in my view.....dripping with
LDH, cholesteral, calories.........
Blaaaahh!
Pompeia
In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@k...>
wrote:
> Thats even worse. We can't have some gravy eating Queen ultimately
owning our land.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:34 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Canadian land ownership (was Land)
>
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus writes:
>
> > Just a few points. You can certainly own land in
> > Canada as a foreigner.
>
> The legal position of the Canadian government is, I
> think, that ultimately all Canadian land ownership
> lies with the Crown. Canadian citizens and landed
> immigrants who purchase land do so at the pleasure
> of the monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth) and with
> the express understanding that the Crown holds the
> ultimate title to all Canadian lands.
>
> That said, Quintus Lanius is certainly correct in his
> statement that many non-citizens hold title to
> Canadian properties. Especially vacation properties.
>
>
>
> =====
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
>
> Scriba Aedilis Iuridicialis Primus to Senior Curule Aedile Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus
>
> The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
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>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:12:49 -0500 |
|
Catsup on mashed potatoes??!?! Have they completely lost their minds up there?
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----- Original Message -----
From: William Rogers
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:21 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land
While the temperature IS good there, just make sure you live INSIDE
the San Adreas fault! glub...glub...glub!
P. T. Rufus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> And dont forget all that COLD weather.
>
> I sure do enjoy living in Sunny Southern California. <g>
>
> Sulla
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: T. Cornelius Crispus
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Land
>
>
> Don't forget that Canadians put catsup on their mashed potatoes.
What a
> mixed up country!
> T. Cornelius Crispus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcus Octavius Germanicus" <haase@c...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Land
>
>
> >
> >
> > > I think Canada is out, since only Canadian citizens can own
Canadian
> > > land. Therefore, true ownership would lie with whatever
citizen of
> > > Canada that fronted the purchase. That just won't do. Plus,
> > > Canadians put gravy on their french fries.
> >
> > But gravy on french fries is *good*.
> >
> > mmm, poutine...
> >
> > --
> > Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> > Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> > Curator Araneum et Senator
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land) |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:10:44 -0400 |
|
Salve,
So let me get this straight. The Queen owns ( or holds title to) All of Canada including any and everything that is already "owned" by others. So is their anyone in Nova Roma that know anybody that knows anybody that knows anybody that knows the Queen? She can simply give us BC and we can just start building, right?
Vale'
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:55 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land)
hahahahahahaha.
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----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land)
---Salve Gai Basilicate:
Oh, common, be a sport, eh?
Hmmm, however, I somehow cannot *see* HRM Elizabeth II munching down
a plate of fries sopping in gravy.
I should think they could be safely consumed, by the way, per annum.
The are 'myocardial infarct on a plate' in my view.....dripping with
LDH, cholesteral, calories.........
Blaaaahh!
Pompeia
In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@k...>
wrote:
> Thats even worse. We can't have some gravy eating Queen ultimately
owning our land.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:34 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Canadian land ownership (was Land)
>
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus writes:
>
> > Just a few points. You can certainly own land in
> > Canada as a foreigner.
>
> The legal position of the Canadian government is, I
> think, that ultimately all Canadian land ownership
> lies with the Crown. Canadian citizens and landed
> immigrants who purchase land do so at the pleasure
> of the monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth) and with
> the express understanding that the Crown holds the
> ultimate title to all Canadian lands.
>
> That said, Quintus Lanius is certainly correct in his
> statement that many non-citizens hold title to
> Canadian properties. Especially vacation properties.
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land) |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:03:40 -0000 |
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Salve Tiberi
The Queen heself owns nothing in Canada. She's only a figurehead and
relic from the past who has no powers to interfere in our
constitution. We use terms like crown land, Court of Queens' Bench
etc. just as an old tradition to the past just as you fellows
sometimes carry antique rifles and wear 150 year old uniforms in some
of your formal government or military parades as well as still
keeping the old Confederate battle flag around out of respect for
those who died in the South a century and a half ago. Its hard for
many countries and their peoples to drop old traditions. Crown land
really means government owned land. When you buy land here your
property deed says that you own the surface but not the mineral
rights which belong to the crown unless you owned the land before the
1930's. Each province has its own provincial government just as each
of your states has its own government. The Queen does however have
quite a bit of realestate in England. I am not sure if the Queen
herself could sell any of the estates as she wished, especially
historical buildings and properties - perhaps some of our English
friends could tell us more.
The only problem in Canada is that we don't have property rights
guarenteed in our constitution so we could have it seized without too
much recourse; still I think the situation is not much better in the
US - especially for drug dealers, criminals or poor people who have
tax problems; the auction block is just as busy there I see.
So with regards to Nova Roma, I think either country could be a good
prospect but I would still push for the Mediterranean area to give us
better credibility and a strong link to the past. I agree with the
other fellow's letter about Albania. I know many Muslims here and do
business with them. They respect and listen to me often because being
Christian, I am a child of the book like the Jewish people.
In "theory" we are not to be mistreated, enslaved etc. The religion
does, on the other hand have contempt for the pagan religions as well
as atheists. Na, we should put Albania on the back burner.
Regards -
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> So let me get this straight. The Queen owns ( or holds title to)
All of Canada including any and everything that is already "owned"
by others. So is their anyone in Nova Roma that know anybody that
knows anybody that knows anybody that knows the Queen? She can simply
give us BC and we can just start building, right?
>
> Vale'
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:55 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land)
>
> hahahahahahaha.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pompeia_cornelia
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:54 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land)
>
>
> ---Salve Gai Basilicate:
>
> Oh, common, be a sport, eh?
>
> Hmmm, however, I somehow cannot *see* HRM Elizabeth II munching
down
> a plate of fries sopping in gravy.
>
> I should think they could be safely consumed, by the way, per
annum.
>
> The are 'myocardial infarct on a plate' in my view.....dripping
with
> LDH, cholesteral, calories.........
>
> Blaaaahh!
>
> Pompeia
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@k...>
> wrote:
> > Thats even worse. We can't have some gravy eating Queen
ultimately
> owning our land.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> > 417 East 13th Street
> > Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> > (816).471.2111
> > (816).510.0072(cell)
> > (816).471.8412(Fax)
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> > To: Nova-Roma@y...
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:34 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Canadian land ownership (was Land)
> >
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus writes:
> >
> > > Just a few points. You can certainly own land in
> > > Canada as a foreigner.
> >
> > The legal position of the Canadian government is, I
> > think, that ultimately all Canadian land ownership
> > lies with the Crown. Canadian citizens and landed
> > immigrants who purchase land do so at the pleasure
> > of the monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth) and with
> > the express understanding that the Crown holds the
> > ultimate title to all Canadian lands.
> >
> > That said, Quintus Lanius is certainly correct in his
> > statement that many non-citizens hold title to
> > Canadian properties. Especially vacation properties.
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma]Roman cops |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 05:14:15 EDT |
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In a message dated 10/23/02 7:05:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
richmal@attbi.com writes:
> And in no doubt some cases the crossroads associations were the
> brigands and their protection was akin to the protection afforded by
> the Mafia. <Grin>
>
>
Hey what ever works.
QFM
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land Pt 1. |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:22:06 EDT |
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Citizens.
For several days now I have followed this discussion on land, getting some
for our beloved republic. I thought I'd tell you of my experience.
When I first came here five years ago, (Gods has it been that long already?),
I felt we had to have a goal and a plan if NR was to succeed. However, not
being a member of the power elite, I decided to attempt my own design and
plans, and when it was ready, present it to the Senate and the People. Back
in the ‘90s we had crazy people investing in everything. So why not use this
fact to secure investment in NR?
I know a lot of well off people in the entertainment industry, and I figured
I'd partner up with one them. Instead I ended up with a rich VP of a certain
nameless software company who collects Roman antiquities. He was fascinated
by the idea, and because I was credible, as was NR, requested a plan.
My plan was simple. I wanted to take no chances with macro nations and their
ability to seize what we built, so we needed our own controlled nation. So
it had to be an island. And NR had to own it outright.
You can buy islands in the Caribbean, you can buy islands in Fuji, and you
can buy an oil platform in the North Sea. I settled on an island in the
Caribbean, 4 miles in diameter, far off the usual hurricane tracks,
reasonable private, yet reachable by seaplane and boat.
Asking price? 25 mill.
What we envisioned was basically what Walt Disney company envisioned for the
Haymarket area, a theme park. We planned a low tech Roman historical park,
but without all the urban blight.
Such a place would be the seat of our government, the home of our religio,
and a constant living historical event. I planned a library were we could
keep copies of all original documents from the period of roman history as
well as all the books on Rome we could acquire, in print, or out.
People could come and visit for a fee, Roman citizens could live there if
they wanted to invest in land, build villas or come on holiday.
Next the outline would be to built the Triad of temples, Vesta's house, The
Senate house all around the forum, and dwellings.
With the fact that we were to build classical buildings and limestone, brick
and marble are a trifle expensive, being that it would all shipped in, with
the main sewer drainage and water supply brought in as well. Then the VP
thought it would be cool to have a hill, he first wanted seven, that we could
erect our temples on it.
The whole rough estimate to do this? 350 mill including the feasibility
study.
We'd have to buy a seaplane...15 mil, the reason why would be that the augurs
would have to find a site, the hill built, then the college was to set up the
temple boundaries. So there would a rather large block of time between the
two events, because a hill had to be constructed and seaplanes serviced these
islands once every two weeks. So we needed a way to come and go.
I had interested Bob Rankin of Discovery Channel, in giving us money for in
return he could produce a series of shows about the creation of NR. I had
the history channel interested covering the living history as well. We
invested 50K in marketing. The result? The Hiatt was interested in putting
up a Roman style hotel. Caesar's Palace wanted to put up a mini casino. It
was all coming together. Then it all went wrong.
Part II tomorrow
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land Pt 1. |
| From: |
AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:40:35 -0400 |
|
Q. Fabius Maximus;
A very fascinating story. I eagerly await part II!
G. Modius Athanasius
In a message dated 10/24/2002 5:22:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, qfabiusmaxmi writes:
>
>
> Citizens.
> For several days now I have followed this discussion on land, getting some
> for our beloved republic. I thought I'd tell you of my experience.
> When I first came here five years ago, (Gods has it been that long already?),
> I felt we had to have a goal and a plan if NR was to succeed. However, not
> being a member of the power elite, I decided to attempt my own design and
> plans, and when it was ready, present it to the Senate and the People. Back
> in the ‘90s we had crazy people investing in everything. So why not use this
> fact to secure investment in NR?
> I know a lot of well off people in the entertainment industry, and I figured
> I'd partner up with one them. Instead I ended up with a rich VP of a certain
> nameless software company who collects Roman antiquities. He was fascinated
> by the idea, and because I was credible, as was NR, requested a plan.
>
> My plan was simple. I wanted to take no chances with macro nations and their
> ability to seize what we built, so we needed our own controlled nation. So
> it had to be an island. And NR had to own it outright.
>
> You can buy islands in the Caribbean, you can buy islands in Fuji, and you
> can buy an oil platform in the North Sea. I settled on an island in the
> Caribbean, 4 miles in diameter, far off the usual hurricane tracks,
> reasonable private, yet reachable by seaplane and boat.
> Asking price? 25 mill.
>
> What we envisioned was basically what Walt Disney company envisioned for the
> Haymarket area, a theme park. We planned a low tech Roman historical park,
> but without all the urban blight.
> Such a place would be the seat of our government, the home of our religio,
> and a constant living historical event. I planned a library were we could
> keep copies of all original documents from the period of roman history as
> well as all the books on Rome we could acquire, in print, or out.
> People could come and visit for a fee, Roman citizens could live there if
> they wanted to invest in land, build villas or come on holiday.
>
> Next the outline would be to built the Triad of temples, Vesta's house, The
> Senate house all around the forum, and dwellings.
> With the fact that we were to build classical buildings and limestone, brick
> and marble are a trifle expensive, being that it would all shipped in, with
> the main sewer drainage and water supply brought in as well. Then the VP
> thought it would be cool to have a hill, he first wanted seven, that we could
> erect our temples on it.
> The whole rough estimate to do this? 350 mill including the feasibility
> study.
> We'd have to buy a seaplane...15 mil, the reason why would be that the augurs
> would have to find a site, the hill built, then the college was to set up the
> temple boundaries. So there would a rather large block of time between the
> two events, because a hill had to be constructed and seaplanes serviced these
> islands once every two weeks. So we needed a way to come and go.
> I had interested Bob Rankin of Discovery Channel, in giving us money for in
> return he could produce a series of shows about the creation of NR. I had
> the history channel interested covering the living history as well. We
> invested 50K in marketing. The result? The Hiatt was interested in putting
> up a Roman style hotel. Caesar's Palace wanted to put up a mini casino. It
> was all coming together. Then it all went wrong.
>
> Part II tomorrow
> Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Constantinus et Teodosius |
| From: |
"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:07:04 -0000 |
|
Salve,
I´ve noticed many times a kind of intelectual ´ostracism´ here (NR)
against the memories of Constantinus Magnus and Teodosius the Great.
I fear it. And I fear it because this can show a little bit of
prejudice, just because they were christians.
But we must see Constantinus and Teodosius as two deep examples of
roman virtues and good government of the Empire. They have ruled Rome
in a time that even Augustus would be in trouble.
Let´s not forget the roman christians on our classical studies. The
Constitution states that we must respect all ´credos´. As new romans,
many as ´new pagans´ let´s not repeat the errors of persecution (and
a worse prosecution now, the intelectual persecution) of the old
romans/pagans. Even the pagan gods don´t approve the persecution.
So, bring back Teodosius and Constantinus to the light on the Hall of
Heros, together with Romulus, Brutus, Publicola, Cato, Scipio,
Aemilius, Gracchus, Cicero, Pompeius, Vespasianus, Antoninus and many
others...
Vale bene in pacem deorum (pagans and christian!)
L. Arminius Faustus
Interpreter et scriba
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] French Fries |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:16:32 +0100 (BST) |
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Salvete
>Oh, and this is different from the Brits eating them
>with rotten grape juice HOW? ;)
Rotten grape juice???? Please explain.....
Actually there is a Midlands tradition of eating them
with curry sauce!!! And I totally agree about the
mayonaisse....YUK!!!...Sorry Diana ;-)
Vale
Decimus Iunius Silanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land Pt 1. |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:30:37 +0200 |
|
Salvete Illustrious Q. Fabius Maximus and Omnes,
I am really pleased to see how much this project is attracting citizens and I
am as well gladly surprised that this happens all of sudden!!
I am directly concerned to this project, so if you may, Illustrious Q. Fabius
Maximus, I would like to give my comments to your interesting post. I think
that the more we share our experiences, and the more this project will take
shape.
> I know a lot of well off people in the entertainment industry, and I figured
> I'd partner up with one them. Instead I ended up with a rich VP of a certain
> nameless software company who collects Roman antiquities. He was fascinated
> by the idea, and because I was credible, as was NR, requested a plan.
This kind of person is always good to have around. I am pleased that you know
some of them (I do too, but more from the financial world), so we should keep
them interested and fascinated by our goals.
> My plan was simple. I wanted to take no chances with macro nations and their
> ability to seize what we built, so we needed our own controlled nation. So
> it had to be an island. And NR had to own it outright.
It is true that macro nations have a bad habbit to seize what they can.
However, I am afraid that whatever we buy will be part of a macro nation, could
it be an island or not. This is an important point that should be discussed. I
am afraid that we will always have to deal with a macro nation. Therefore, and
to avoid a seizure of our Land or whatever other action, we need to know
exactly what are the regulations in the given macro nation. My office is
working on this but unfortunately this kind of task needs time. I will keep you
and the citizens in touch about the advances of our work.
> You can buy islands in the Caribbean, you can buy islands in Fuji, and you
> can buy an oil platform in the North Sea. I settled on an island in the
> Caribbean, 4 miles in diameter, far off the usual hurricane tracks,
> reasonable private, yet reachable by seaplane and boat.
> Asking price? 25 mill.
> What we envisioned was basically what Walt Disney company envisioned for the
> Haymarket area, a theme park. We planned a low tech Roman historical park,
> but without all the urban blight.
The theme park is a wonderful idea. Surely one of the best way to make money
and being Roman at the same time!! Here, I have got some points on which I
would like to get your opinion:
You surely know that a lot of Roman Theme Parks already exist, as for exemple:
- Terra Mitica in Spain
- Port El Kantoui in Tunisia
- Le Puy du Fou in France
- Xanten in Germany...
There is unfortunately a lot of them, and it is so true that some roman theme
ideas have got copyright or trademark, as for exemple RomaFair TM, that we can
find at: http://www.visioneering.com/park.html
My concern here is that, with the amount of money involved in that kind of
theme parks (your figures are realistic), we might have serious problems if we
do not check all those trademarks, copyrights and international laws before
doing anything. As well, some citizens, depending in which country they live,
might be legally liable to any losses suffered by Nova Roma. I do not want to
pour cold water on our citizens, but they have the right to know what kind of
risk they might take in such an investment. Therefore, I strongly suggest that
legal and financial research must be done prior anything else.
--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land Pt 1. |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:41:00 +0200 |
|
Salvete Illustrious Q. Fabius Maximus and Omnes,
(my precedent message went away before I could finish it...Sorry!!)
I just would like to thank Illustrious Q. Fabius Maximus for his contribution
to the project and I cannot wait to read the second part.
This kind of post is constructive, positive and always rise new questions. This
is a normal and needed process in decision taking!!
Respectfully,
--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Land |
| From: |
"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:08:34 -0000 |
|
This is a good point! :-) That is why I realize this IS a long term,
but achieveable project. Definately achieveable! As we gain iin cash,
we can begin to look more seriously at land...but keeping an eye on
the political situations NOW is a VERY thing!
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Despite it's low price I would advise against any land
> purchases in Albania. It's a Muslam country, and no
> religion is more anti-pagan than Islam. I realize that
> the vast majority of Albanians are moderates, and that
> (so far) there is little evidance of native fanaticism
> in Albania, However the fanatics in other nations
> consider that once a nation becomes Muslam that it is
> permantly part of the Islamic world. Since the Religio
> is so prominant in Nova Roma, it would not be a good
> idea for a Pagan organization to purchase land in
> Albania. It could attract some attention from people
> who will look upon us the same way they look at
> Isreal, and who are prepared to resort to violence to
> "rectify" a situation they dislike.
>
> --- William Rogers <wlr107@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Quintus, et all,
> >
> > I was speaking with Caius Tarquitius last night, and
> > he made a very
> > good point; in many areas of Italy, Albania, Greece,
> > and other
> > southern european macronations there is good land at
> > a very low
> > price. He explained a good way to generate income
> > utilizing (at least
> > initially) a "Roman" style "bed and
> > breakfast/resort" concept to
> > generate cashflow, and purchase more land.
> >
> > While we all agree we will not get land soon (unless
> > someone knows
> > someone who will donate!), it IS good to look at
> > varying ideas,
> > plans, concerns...it will keep us idealists (like
> > me) focused on some
> > of the realities! :-)
> >
> > While not very knowledgeable n ancient Roman
> > religions (I am a former
> > Mormon, now Roman Catholic), If we can find reliable
> > information on
> > the ceremonies, I honestly believe the Leader of the
> > Nova-Roma
> > religions should make the call on the flame....this
> > person knows what
> > is possible, not me! Maybe it's time to allow our
> > priests to show
> > more outward signs of ther duties, if at all
> > possible. Just a humble
> > opinion.
> >
> > Publius Tarquitius Rufus
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> > <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Summers here are warm to hot. Just the Winters
> > > > are cold but no
> > > > worse than the American North East or north west
> > > > which gets more snow
> > > > than we do. Still only the more stoic Marcus
> > > > Aurelius type of Nova
> > > > Romans would best survive here.
> > >
> > > Climate is something that would have to be
> > considered
> > > when we get around to purchasing land. In many
> > parts
> > > of North America and Europe it simply isn't
> > possible
> > > to wear a Toga outside during a considerable
> > portion
> > > of the year.
> > >
> > > =====
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis
> > telum est."
> > > (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the
> > killer's hand.)
> > > Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
> > >
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>
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> (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land) |
| From: |
"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:13:58 -0000 |
|
oooohhhh! Now THIS sounds like a plan! We could tell her we will hide
Charles from the rest of the world, and I bet she'll give us the
whole place! hee hee
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> So let me get this straight. The Queen owns ( or holds title to)
All of Canada including any and everything that is already "owned"
by others. So is their anyone in Nova Roma that know anybody that
knows anybody that knows anybody that knows the Queen? She can simply
give us BC and we can just start building, right?
>
> Vale'
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:55 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land)
>
> hahahahahahaha.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:54 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Canadian land ownership (was Land)
>
>
> ---Salve Gai Basilicate:
>
> Oh, common, be a sport, eh?
>
> Hmmm, however, I somehow cannot *see* HRM Elizabeth II munching
down
> a plate of fries sopping in gravy.
>
> I should think they could be safely consumed, by the way, per
annum.
>
> The are 'myocardial infarct on a plate' in my view.....dripping
with
> LDH, cholesteral, calories.........
>
> Blaaaahh!
>
> Pompeia
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@k...>
> wrote:
> > Thats even worse. We can't have some gravy eating Queen
ultimately
> owning our land.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> > 417 East 13th Street
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> > To: Nova-Roma@y...
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:34 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Canadian land ownership (was Land)
> >
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus writes:
> >
> > > Just a few points. You can certainly own land in
> > > Canada as a foreigner.
> >
> > The legal position of the Canadian government is, I
> > think, that ultimately all Canadian land ownership
> > lies with the Crown. Canadian citizens and landed
> > immigrants who purchase land do so at the pleasure
> > of the monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth) and with
> > the express understanding that the Crown holds the
> > ultimate title to all Canadian lands.
> >
> > That said, Quintus Lanius is certainly correct in his
> > statement that many non-citizens hold title to
> > Canadian properties. Especially vacation properties.
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Offering $5 for Nova Roma Sesterius |
| From: |
"morgan_toal" <morgan_toal@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:58:14 -0000 |
|
Hi there,
Per the following web page:
http://www.novaroma.org/macellum/coins2.html
I sent $1.05 to cassius@novaroma.org on paypal, but have not received
any kind of reply, so I don't think it's coming, and I don't think
Cassius has even collected his $1.05.
Oh well. Maybe someone can sell me a spare Nova Roma Sesterius,
I'll offer US$5.00 (shipped).
Please email me directly or reply here if you're interested.
regards,
mtoal
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My Take on the Academia |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:11:15 +0100 (BST) |
|
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo wrote:
> I question if the idea behind naming Academia
> Thule a "University" on the main website was a plan to present it as
> equivalent to a macronational university. I wonder if perhaps, this
> was the only name suitable the founders felt they could find, in the
> English Language, which they felt people would understand. The
> Academia was started by those who know English as a second language.
If this is indeed the origin of the description 'university', I have to say that personally (my first language being something approaching the Queen's English) I find the English word 'Academy' perfectly comprehensible as a non-specific term for an institution of learning. So perhaps it would do simply to render the name Academia bilingually in Latin and English, without having to call it a university or anything else?
I don't have any expertise in the technical definition of academic institutions, so of course if anyone is aware that the word 'academy' does have a precisely defined legal meaning which can't be applied to the Academia, please let them come forward and rule my suggestion out.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Variations of Canadian Climate |
| From: |
"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:12:19 -0000 |
|
Gnaeus,
I'm here in Atlanta....you are SO right! I just LOVE taking a shower,
dry off in the bathroom only to begin sweating the SECOND I open the
door! :-)
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> The fair Pompeia Cornelia Strabo writes:
>
> > The southern most point of the province of Ontario
> > is Pelee Island, where many vineyards abound.
> > Apparently, it corresponds latitudinally to the tip
> > of Northern California, and the climates are
> > much the same.
>
> Pelee Island is also at very nearly the same
> latitude (41 degrees north) as Rome (40). My
> uncle's home in Leamington, the small city
> adjacent to Point Pelee provincial park, enjoys
> a pleasant mild climate throughout the year.
>
> I, on the other hand, live in the sub-tropical humid
> and wretched climate of central Maryland, common to
> Washington DC, at a latitude which has more in common
> with Saharan Africa than with Rome.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Open letter to Praetors: Movement off main list |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:33:39 +0100 (BST) |
|
P. Tarquitius Rufus wrote:
> it seems we have a lawyer here....hhhmmmmm where's my water gun! :-)
> Just kidding. In reality, I would think that at some point (hopefully
> soon too), this wold move to either private e-mail, or to a judicial
> actions board.
Fair point. As it seems the Praetor has accepted that this needs to be looked into, there's no need to keep it in the public arena: I shan't say any more about it on the main list unless it's necessary.
Sorry if my tone is legalistic - in my experience misunderstandings and recriminations arise more often from imprecise language than from actual disagreements, so I thought it safest to take that approach given the sensitivity of the topic. It's also a bit of a self-protective reflex of mine to make sure I'm not misunderstood. :)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Open letter to Praetors: Movement off main list |
| From: |
"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:23:09 -0000 |
|
No problem here...it just seemed to be getting into some really
serious stuff, and being new, I was asking in a back door way was
there a board where we should go if something like that ever came up,
or do we go direct to the Praetors. But hey, my fault for being
obtuse! :-) I't the blonde in my hair...makes me do stuff like that,
besides the fact I'm a bit of a joker by nature surely doesn't help
either, I'm sure! :-)
I just hope everything can be cleared up, and no one hurt.
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Jamie Johnston <jamiekjohnston@y...> wrote:
>
> P. Tarquitius Rufus wrote:
>
> > it seems we have a lawyer here....hhhmmmmm where's my water
gun! :-)
> > Just kidding. In reality, I would think that at some point
(hopefully
> > soon too), this wold move to either private e-mail, or to a
judicial
> > actions board.
>
> Fair point. As it seems the Praetor has accepted that this needs to
be looked into, there's no need to keep it in the public arena: I
shan't say any more about it on the main list unless it's necessary.
>
> Sorry if my tone is legalistic - in my experience misunderstandings
and recriminations arise more often from imprecise language than from
actual disagreements, so I thought it safest to take that approach
given the sensitivity of the topic. It's also a bit of a self-
protective reflex of mine to make sure I'm not misunderstood. :)
>
> Jamie
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] LUDI VICTORIA THEATRE: Virgil: Aeneid |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:53:50 +0200 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
The Cohors Aedilis of our wonderful Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
have organized another exciting event:
VIRGILIUS: AENEID
Liber IV, vv. 9-29
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/virgil.htm
Today in fact can go in our vitual theatre and look another new work mixing
history, Classical Culture, experimental archeology, Latin language, etc.
The text is written by the the most important Roman writer, Virgilius, and
it's the vv. 9-29 of Liber IV from the wonderful AENEID, when Dido fall in
love for Enea. However we haven't developed the show by images and pictures
.... but by voice!
This is the special effect of this event: a professional actor recites the
verses in ancient Latin, how our Aves speak Latin.
You can listen that the tone and metre are different from our and from our
speaking Latin. It's very very wonderful!
The original project is by Prof. Vojin Nedeljkovic from the University of
Belgrade. I have inserted a very little explanation about the metre of this
text (dactylic hexameter).
You need Macromedia Flash Player 5 to look the movie. Download it free at
www.macromedia.com
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
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Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] MLC: Where are you? |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:19:22 +0200 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
Where are the best players? Maybe they are sated of victories? ;-)
I don't thing, I thing they are sleeping and relaxing for the Maximi Ludi
Circenses.
But you have to wake up and subscribe our MAXIMI LUDI CIRCENSES. It's very
very very important because it's the last competition of the year appointing
the BEST CHARIOTEER OF 2755 !!!
So, hurry up, people, read the rules at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/mvc.htm and send an
email to sacro_barese_impero@libero.it within subject "MLC".
This players are invited to subscribe:
T. Arminius Hyacinthus
M. Minucius Rufus
C. Flavius Diocletianus
M. Villus Limitanus
J. Sempronia Magna
G. Cornelius Ahenobarbus
L. Pompeius Octavianus
A. Solaris Draco
T. Labienus Fortunatus
M. S. Curio Britannicus
The following players too are invited to subscribe it :
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Appius Arminius Claudianus
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Marcus Arminius Maior
Gn. Octavius Noricus
They could run if there will not all the 16 best players.
Valete
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] French Fries |
| From: |
"Paul Kershaw" <brighn@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:05:34 -0400 |
|
Salve,
Vinegar = aged wine (more or less)
Wine = fermented grape juice
A condiment of choice in England for "chips" is vinegar.
Vale,
-- Festus
----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
>Oh, and this is different from the Brits eating them
>with rotten grape juice HOW? ;)
Rotten grape juice???? Please explain.....
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Roman judicial guidelines (was: Roman cops) |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:02:15 +0100 (BST) |
|
Q. Fabius Maximus wrote:
> This was the largest problem IMO with the Roman justice system. The fines
> might be unrealistic, or the accused be turned over to the Paterfamilias for
> punishment. Having a Iudice assigning such things with no guidelines was the
> biggest problem. One of the things that Justinian established were
> reasonable guidelines for sentencing.
Leaving aside my temptation to engage with the eminently debatable idea that Justinianic sentencing was reasonable, I'm more interested to point out that in fact there were guidelines which were provided for judges in the republic to use in determining sentences and in interpreting the law. These were the Praetors' formulae (for the Peregrine Praetor) or edicts (for the Urban Praetor): statements issued either at the beginning of the year or occasionally throughout the year by the Praetors indicating their intentions. In these they would outline the view they would take of certain crimes, how they would interpret the law in cases of uncertainty, and what sentences they would recommend. (Sorry if anyone is having a sense of deja-vu: I have mentioned these briefly a while back, when I suggested that our Praetors do the same thing.) As the contents of these statements varied little from year to year, and were in any case publicly available, those making judgements in civil and criminal cases did have access to something resembling judicial guidelines.
It's also worth bearing in mind that until the late republic Rome had no criminal 'courts' as we think of them. The courts were for civil cases, while criminal cases were decided by magistrates or other officials, or in cases of great importance were heard by one of the assemblies, as for instance if a tribune were to bring charges of official misconduct against a magistrate. Later on special courts were set up to try specific crimes, including treason, judicial corruption, embezzlement - i.e. mostly crimes which in some way threatened public order. So the mechanisms for dealing with crime in the republic were mutifarious and probably confusing, and this is perhaps another source of injustice in that society.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: French Fries |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:35:34 -0000 |
|
---Salvete Omnes:
Hmm, French fries with curry sauce sounds good to me...really
Hey, hows about French Fries with Pesto?
Po
In Nova-Roma@y..., Decimus Iunius Silanus <danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> >Oh, and this is different from the Brits eating them
> >with rotten grape juice HOW? ;)
>
> Rotten grape juice???? Please explain.....
>
> Actually there is a Midlands tradition of eating them
> with curry sauce!!! And I totally agree about the
> mayonaisse....YUK!!!...Sorry Diana ;-)
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] French Fries |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:45:03 +0100 (BST) |
|
Salve,
I see where you are coming from now....Actually wine
vinegar is made for wine (surprisingly) whereas it is
actually tradition to use malt vinegar on chips in the
UK (which I'm sure isn't made from wine, though I
could be wrong)!!
Vale
Decimus Iunius Silanus
>Vinegar = aged wine (more or less)
>Wine = fermented grape juice
>
>A condiment of choice in England for chips is
vinegar.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman judicial guidelines (was: Roman cops) |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:43:49 -0000 |
|
--Salvete Jamie et Omnes:
I read your suggestion a while back about the Praetor's issuing
formula; I will do so in individual cases, but for the moment, edicta
has been the way to go, in my view.
I have issued edicta with respect to the list moderations. Both
Praetors have issued edicta with respect to inability to get ahold of
Paterfamilia.
To me, issuing a 'formula' which applies to everyone does not
really 'fit' and I don't care to do it.
Also, anything transpiring on this list, which is inappropriate in
the Roman judicial or Macronationally judicial sense, is not a civil
affair, it is contra rem Publicum.
Can it turn into a civil affair? Yes, eventually, and in due
course...at which time I would issue a 'formula'
I hope this explains why I didn't take you up on your suggestion.
Valete,
Pompeia
Praetor
- In Nova-Roma@y..., Jamie Johnston <jamiekjohnston@y...> wrote:
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus wrote:
>
> > This was the largest problem IMO with the Roman justice system.
The fines
> > might be unrealistic, or the accused be turned over to the
Paterfamilias for
> > punishment. Having a Iudice assigning such things with no
guidelines was the
> > biggest problem. One of the things that Justinian established
were
> > reasonable guidelines for sentencing.
>
> Leaving aside my temptation to engage with the eminently debatable
idea that Justinianic sentencing was reasonable, I'm more interested
to point out that in fact there were guidelines which were provided
for judges in the republic to use in determining sentences and in
interpreting the law. These were the Praetors' formulae (for the
Peregrine Praetor) or edicts (for the Urban Praetor): statements
issued either at the beginning of the year or occasionally throughout
the year by the Praetors indicating their intentions. In these they
would outline the view they would take of certain crimes, how they
would interpret the law in cases of uncertainty, and what sentences
they would recommend. (Sorry if anyone is having a sense of deja-vu:
I have mentioned these briefly a while back, when I suggested that
our Praetors do the same thing.) As the contents of these statements
varied little from year to year, and were in any case publicly
available, those making judgements in civil and criminal cases did
have access to something resembling judicial guidelines.
>
> It's also worth bearing in mind that until the late republic Rome
had no criminal 'courts' as we think of them. The courts were for
civil cases, while criminal cases were decided by magistrates or
other officials, or in cases of great importance were heard by one of
the assemblies, as for instance if a tribune were to bring charges of
official misconduct against a magistrate. Later on special courts
were set up to try specific crimes, including treason, judicial
corruption, embezzlement - i.e. mostly crimes which in some way
threatened public order. So the mechanisms for dealing with crime in
the republic were mutifarious and probably confusing, and this is
perhaps another source of injustice in that society.
>
> Jamie
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: French Fries |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:47:29 +0100 (BST) |
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Salve Pompeia Cornelia,
>Hmm, French fries with curry sauce sounds good to
>me...really
Tis' indeed good...I lived in Birmingham for a year
and chips with curry sauce is absolutely perfect after
a few beers!!!
Vale
Decimus Iunius Silanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] French Fries |
| From: |
"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:25:38 -0500 |
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My wife eats them with a catsup and mayonnaise mixture.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] French Fries
> Salvete
>
> >Oh, and this is different from the Brits eating them
> >with rotten grape juice HOW? ;)
>
> Rotten grape juice???? Please explain.....
>
> Actually there is a Midlands tradition of eating them
> with curry sauce!!! And I totally agree about the
> mayonaisse....YUK!!!...Sorry Diana ;-)
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Constantinus et Teodosius |
| From: |
"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:48:30 -0500 |
|
Well stated!
T. Cornelius Crispus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:07 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Constantinus et Teodosius
Salve,
I´ve noticed many times a kind of intelectual ´ostracism´ here (NR)
against the memories of Constantinus Magnus and Teodosius the Great.
I fear it. And I fear it because this can show a little bit of
prejudice, just because they were christians.
But we must see Constantinus and Teodosius as two deep examples of
roman virtues and good government of the Empire. They have ruled Rome
in a time that even Augustus would be in trouble.
Let´s not forget the roman christians on our classical studies. The
Constitution states that we must respect all ´credos´. As new romans,
many as ´new pagans´ let´s not repeat the errors of persecution (and
a worse prosecution now, the intelectual persecution) of the old
romans/pagans. Even the pagan gods don´t approve the persecution.
So, bring back Teodosius and Constantinus to the light on the Hall of
Heros, together with Romulus, Brutus, Publicola, Cato, Scipio,
Aemilius, Gracchus, Cicero, Pompeius, Vespasianus, Antoninus and many
others...
Vale bene in pacem deorum (pagans and christian!)
L. Arminius Faustus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] French Fries |
| From: |
"G. Noviodunus" <Gaius.Noviodunus@iseli.org> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:30:41 +0200 |
|
Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:
>>FRENCH FRIES ARE ROMAN. =) *beg*
>
> I won't argue with that:-) But the Romans ate them with the rotten fish
> sauce.
With what did Romans make their "French fries"? with apples? ;-)
For those who think Romans already knew the potatoes, please read this:
http://www.sunspiced.com/phistory.html#_A_Brief_History
G. Noviodunus Ferriculus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Open letter to Praetors: Movement off main list |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:12:53 +0100 (BST) |
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P. Tarquitius Rufus wrote:
>I just hope everything can be cleared up, and no one hurt.
Quite right: I think that's what we're all aiming for.
Jamie
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Constantinus et Teodosius |
| From: |
"g_valerius_taurinus" <g_valerius_taurinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:10:30 -0000 |
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Salve:
Respectfully, I am not so sure I would categorize Theodosius as
a "deep example of Roman virtues"- so fanatical about christianity,
was he, and so ruthless of his persecution of Traditional pagan
religion, that he ordered the execution of children caught playing
with the pieces of a destroyed statue of Jupiter.
I cannot see how such a man can be seen as being possessed of virtue
of any kind. Also, to be a puppet to christian political corruption,
and to supress ancient and vital faiths that had broken no laws, and
whose only crimes were to be not christian, is against the most basic
freedoms that holy Roma once stood for, and the divine powers that
made it great.
The wicked special-interest politics and freedom-choking religious
elitism that Theodosius was a slave to, and a willing partner in, are
the very forces that destroyed Rome.
Galus Valerius
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@y...>
wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I´ve noticed many times a kind of intelectual ´ostracism´ here (NR)
> against the memories of Constantinus Magnus and Teodosius the
Great.
> I fear it. And I fear it because this can show a little bit of
> prejudice, just because they were christians.
>
> But we must see Constantinus and Teodosius as two deep examples of
> roman virtues and good government of the Empire. They have ruled
Rome
> in a time that even Augustus would be in trouble.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman judicial guidelines (was: Roman cops) |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:27:29 +0100 (BST) |
|
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo wrote:
> ...
> I have issued edicta with respect to the list moderations. Both
> Praetors have issued edicta with respect to inability to get ahold of
> Paterfamilia.
>
> To me, issuing a 'formula' which applies to everyone does not
> really 'fit' and I don't care to do it.
> ...
> I hope this explains why I didn't take you up on your suggestion.
Yes, thank you. In fact I was not so much suggesting a different way of doing things as a way to set what you and other Praetors have already been doing in a historical context. As you say, edicts are already used for this sort of purpose, and the 'formulae' issued by the Peregrine Praetor in the ancient republic were equivalent to the 'edicta' issued by the Urban Praetor, so the terms are more or less interchangeable: I suggested formula rather than edict merely to distinguish it from other types of edict, but this isn't really important: effectively currently Praetoral practice is the same as that of the republic in this respect. The main point of my suggestion was that we should regard statements like the one of yours we've just been discussing in the 'open letter' thread as equivalent to edicts or formulae stating the Praetor's interpretation of how the law applies to a given type of case (not, of course, a specific case, since as you say this is too individual to deal with by edict or formula).
Thanks for your comments,
Jamie
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Eureka!...French Fries |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:31:07 -0000 |
|
I'VE GOT IT, I'VE GOT IT...!!!
It just came to me whilst I was having my afternoon repose.......
FRENCH FRIES WITH GARUM........Yum!
Any takers........no? What do you 'mean' *no*.....
Alas, no sense of culinary adventure whatsoever....
Po
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI VICTORIA THEATRE: Virgil: Aeneid |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:15:58 -0400 |
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Salve, plaudite, cives!!!!! Well done great job!!!! Nova Roma needs to start it's own communication company (television and radio) and put you guys (and gals) in charge.
Well done!!!
Vale,
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Egressus@yahoogroups.com; NRHispania@yahoogroups.com; NR_Italia@yahoogroups.com; NovaRomaWebSites@yahoogroups.com; novaroma_europe@yahoogroups.com; Cohors_Aedilis_C_Fabius_Q@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI VICTORIA THEATRE: Virgil: Aeneid
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
The Cohors Aedilis of our wonderful Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
have organized another exciting event:
VIRGILIUS: AENEID
Liber IV, vv. 9-29
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/virgil.htm
Today in fact can go in our vitual theatre and look another new work mixing
history, Classical Culture, experimental archeology, Latin language, etc.
The text is written by the the most important Roman writer, Virgilius, and
it's the vv. 9-29 of Liber IV from the wonderful AENEID, when Dido fall in
love for Enea. However we haven't developed the show by images and pictures
.... but by voice!
This is the special effect of this event: a professional actor recites the
verses in ancient Latin, how our Aves speak Latin.
You can listen that the tone and metre are different from our and from our
speaking Latin. It's very very wonderful!
The original project is by Prof. Vojin Nedeljkovic from the University of
Belgrade. I have inserted a very little explanation about the metre of this
text (dactylic hexameter).
You need Macromedia Flash Player 5 to look the movie. Download it free at
www.macromedia.com
Valete
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Land Pt 1. |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:35:46 +0200 |
|
Salve Q. Fabius Maximus,
I really enjoyed your story Land Pt 1. The cliffhanger to Part I was great.
I am looking forward to Part II!
When you referred to yourself in message 3225 that you posted last week :"
And we are both published authors!" I am assuming that you meant fiction?
Valete!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Eureka!...French Fries |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:56:35 -0400 |
|
Salve, Some of us new Romans of the Mid Atlantic region USA like our French Fries with salt, pepper and vinegar. Ever hear of Board Walk Fries?
Vale,
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Eureka!...French Fries
I'VE GOT IT, I'VE GOT IT...!!!
It just came to me whilst I was having my afternoon repose.......
FRENCH FRIES WITH GARUM........Yum!
Any takers........no? What do you 'mean' *no*.....
Alas, no sense of culinary adventure whatsoever....
Po
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman judicial guidelines (was: Roman cops) |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:49:28 EDT |
|
In a message dated 10/24/02 6:34:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> These were the Praetors' formulae (for the Peregrine Praetor) or edicts (for
> the Urban Praetor): statements issued either at the beginning of the year
> or occasionally throughout the year by the Praetors indicating their
> intentions. In these they would outline the view they would take of certain
> crimes, how they would interpret the law in cases of uncertainty, and what
> sentences they would recommend. (Sorry if anyone is having a sense of
> deja-vu: I have mentioned these briefly a while back, when I suggested that
> our Praetors do the same thing.) As the contents of these statements varied
> little from year to year, and were in any case publicly available, those
> making judgements in civil and criminal cases did have access to something
> resembling judicial guidelines.
>
Actually formulae was a very important part of my law code last year.
Flavius and I came up with several. However historically, these were not
always followed. I'm sure you know this already. Guidelines were just that,
guidelines. The Iudice was free to follow whatever precedent he wanted. And
with the corruption within the quaestiones perpetuae, the petitioner did not
always get the result needed.
Sentencing guidelines would have to bullet proof in NR to keep this from
happening.
I had foreseen three courts. First the Senate for impeachment, a court
composed of peers, and finally a Comitia, the assembly of Centuries for
appeals.
Problems in the constitution made this impossible, but I have composed the
frame work, and once the constitution is amended we can get on with the rest.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Constantinus et Teodosius |
| From: |
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:57:54 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "g_valerius_taurinus"
<g_valerius_taurinus@y...> wrote:
>
> I cannot see how such a man can be seen as being possessed of
virtue
> of any kind. Also, to be a puppet to christian political
corruption,
> and to supress ancient and vital faiths that had broken no laws,
and
> whose only crimes were to be not christian, is against the most
basic
> freedoms that holy Roma once stood for, and the divine powers that
> made it great.
>
> The wicked special-interest politics and freedom-choking religious
> elitism that Theodosius was a slave to, and a willing partner in,
are
> the very forces that destroyed Rome.
>
Salve,
With respect I doubt if you can blame the decline and fall of Rome on
the religious forces. The Pagan Republic fell on its own 90 years
before Christianity even started. The decline of the Roman Empire was
due to many causes. Some of these causes were: weak emperors both
Christian and pagan; military weakness (using foreign troops and
mecenaries rather than their own malitias); internal strife; economic
depression which resulted in the decline of agriculture,(eg. once
Egypt and North Africa were conquered it was cheaper to import grain
than grow it in Italy putting farmers out of business); industry and
commerce which consequently ruined the middle class, a big decrease
in the population due to EPIDEMICS, almost constant costly warfare
and the invaision of the Empire by vigorous Germanic people many of
whom neither worshiped the gods of Rome or the god of Abraham.
>
Vale,
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@y...>
> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > I´ve noticed many times a kind of intelectual ´ostracism´ here
(NR)
> > against the memories of Constantinus Magnus and Teodosius the
> Great.
> > I fear it. And I fear it because this can show a little bit of
> > prejudice, just because they were christians.
> >
> > But we must see Constantinus and Teodosius as two deep examples
of
> > roman virtues and good government of the Empire. They have ruled
> Rome
> > in a time that even Augustus would be in trouble.
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Eureka!...French Fries |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Octavius Noricus" <cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:56:27 +0200 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia
I'VE GOT IT, I'VE GOT IT...!!!
FRENCH FRIES WITH GARUM........Yum!
--- My comment: ---
Well, I cannot imagine how to do that technically... pour the garum over the fries? That would turn them into mush; not very delicious. :-/
Maybe one should dip them into a jar of garum? Imagine having a jar in your pocket when you go to McDonalds and secretly dipping your fries under the table... (grin!!!!).
Anyway, I would be curious just how that tastes!
And if I may suggest another condiment for french fries: Mayonnaise _plus_ mustard! It's just great! But let us not lead a civil war over that ;-)
Optime valete!
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Flamen Furrinalis |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Caius=20Iulius=20Barcinus=20Ciconius?= <xgemella@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:12:28 +0200 (CEST) |
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I, Caius Iulius BArcinus Ciconius do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor >of the Religio Romana in Nova Roma, and to act always >in the best interests of the Roman Gods, the Religio Romana, >and the Senate and People of Nova Roma. > >I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius as a member of the Priesthood, swear to >uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State >Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way >that would threaten its status as the State Religion. >I swear to serve the Roman Gods to the best of my >ability in both public and prrivate life, and to >pursue the Roman virtues as an integral part of my >Priesthood. > >I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius, swear to protect and defend >the Constitution of Nova Roma. > >I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius further swear to fulfill the >obligations and responsibilities of the office of >Flamen Furrinalis to the best of my abilities. > >On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the >presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people >and by their will and favor, do I accept the position >of Flamen Furrinalis and all the rights, privileges,
>obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius
Flamen Furrinalis
Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs.
Colonia Faventina Ivlia Avgvsta Paterna Barcino
Provincia Hispania.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Eureka!...French Fries |
| From: |
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:43:05 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo writes:
> It just came to me whilst I was having my afternoon
> repose.......
>
>
> FRENCH FRIES WITH GARUM........Yum!
Po, I like you. We've become good friends over the
years. But ... well, I'm just NOT going to join you
in that adventure.
YKIOK BINMK[1]
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Land Project and French Fries |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:36:58 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be>
>way, they are really Flemish Fries (an invention of Marc Van den Frie in the
>year 1302). The French stole the idea and do to a more effective propaganda
>
200 years before the Americas were discovered officially? What were they frying?Parsnips?
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] French Fries |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:41:06 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be>
>You caught me :-) I made the French Fry story up, but I knew that the
>Belgians created them, since every time I say French Frie in this country, I
>am corrected by a proud Belgian Flemish Fry Eater. In 1302, the Flemish
>defeated the French in a great battle. It was a big celbration this year
>(700 year anniversary).
>
In the great and manifold sagas of the hero Astérix le Gaulois it is related that in the land of the Belgae, all roots are fried deep in oil.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma]Roman cops |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:55:02 +0100 (BST) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
>
>While I was in Naples, I was warned not go into certain quarter of the city
>as an American (read rich American). I went anyway. I have 12 years of
>Hopakido under my belt, and I spent my first three years out of school as
>photojournalist so I wasn't too worried. I was not bothered. So I wonder
>was I just lucky, or I appeared as someone you wouldn't want to mess with.
>
I'd guess you appeared as somebdy not to mess with. I'm in both minds about this: yes you should not have to feel under threat wherever you go, but also, you should not feel over-PC-Victorian-protected that nobody dare say a thing lest they offend you either. In the end, the people with the power to make the laws did so and naturally those laaws reflected their own concerns. It is still debatable whether the same penalties should apply across the board. What Rome had, and I admit to being more Hellenist than Roman, was perhaps a sense of proportion and of belonging and honour, so if today it is unthinkable that the same offence should get a jail sentence for one and a reprimand for the other, because of strings there to be pulled, the reprimand and slight on honour was worse than the jail, if they had had that. Excommunication from the People meant something then.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Eureka!...French Fries |
| From: |
"Rachel" <theladysabine@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:42:09 -0000 |
|
>
> And if I may suggest another condiment for french fries: Mayonnaise
_plus_ mustard! It's just great! But let us not lead a civil war over
that ;-)
>
> Optime valete!
> Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
>
I do that....but Mayo&Mustard is best with chicken nuggets. ;)
~~Minucia Caesar~~
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