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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Declaration of Candidacy: Praetor
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:02:50 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Marine.

--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> escribió:
> Gnaeus Salix Astur writes:
>
> > I hereby declare my intention to run for the praetorship in this
> > year's elections.
>
> Congratulations! I shall be pleased to vote for you.
>
> -- Marinus

Thank you, amice. Coming from you, that's a real honour.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Futility
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:05:42 -0500 (EST)

I can visualize few things in this world that trying to convince a
Pagan, the rightness of Christianity using Christain excerpts and
documentation, unless it happens to be the equally unsuccessful attempts
to make Christains understand the importance of a Pagan Religion by
relating, with obvious relish the Christain misdees of the past.

Additionally, I am at a loss to determine the relation between George
Washington , Thomas Jefferson, and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court to Nova
Roma.

This Main List is after all, and Nova Roma List, and a continued
discussion of such off-topic subjects does little for anyone. I ask
each of you to apologize to the other, and treat each other as a valued
Citizen of Nova Roma, with the respect that each deserves, instead of
the knee-jerk responses that have been evidenced here.

As the Pontifex Maximus has indicated, the energy expended here in angry
senseless debate, could be much better utilized toward the furthering of
Nova Roma.

While I am interested in the History and attributes of other values and
beliefs, I do not care to get my information by having my nose rubbed in
it!!! By the same token, most Christains are well aware of the
shortcomings of thier current and historical past. There is a saying in
the old King James Bible called the Golden Rule, and another about
turning the other cheek. If those who would convince a Pagan how great
Christianity is, perhaps a little of those two aspects, may get the bird
to listen rather like catching more attenion with sugar than with salt.

I suspect the same gentle set of rules will work in any established
society or paradigm of beliefs. It seems to me like something that we
ought to try!!!

Respectfully;

Marus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Declaration for Praetor
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:09:53 -0800 (PST)

Salve Quirites,

I Stand before you in a whitened Toga and ask you to
vote for me as your Praetor.

One of the main duties of a Praetor deals with the
main list. I have raised the issuse of freedom of
Speech on this list many times. I Have called for a
strict defination of Blasphemy so that all citizens
who post here will know what is and is not permitted.
I Spent a year working behind the scenes for the
rights of citizens for whom English is second
language, and the Decuriae Interpretes is the result
of my efforts. As your Praetor I will continue to work
for the rights of citizens to post in this Forum. I
Promise you that no Magistrate or Canidate for office
will be placed on modarated status for any reason
other than conduct so reprehensible that the Senate
deems it nessacary, and I will ask the Consuls you see
fit to elect to promulgate a Lex to insure that this
remains the policy of this list after my term ends.

Praetors also need to be familar with Nova Roma's
Leges. I have often made posts regarding proposed laws
and some of these sugestions were accepted and now
part of Nov Roma's legal code. This year I have served
as Accensus to the Junior Consul, offering him advice
on the Leges he has drafted and on our Laws. I have
have been a Propraetor for the past 18 months. There
are two aspects of Nova Roman law that I find
troubling, and that I wish to address. The first is we
have no Statue of Limitations. There is nothing to
prevent a citizen with being charged for an action
commited years earlier. If you see fit to elect me I
will attempt to get the Constitution amended so that
Nova Roma's citizens are protected by a Statue of
Limitations. The second ommission is a ban on Ex Post
Facto Leges. Right now there is nothing preventing a
Lex or an Edict from making an action that was legal
when it was comitted into a crime. I Will work for an
admendment to our Constitution That bans Ex Post Facto
Laws and Edicts.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Futility
From:	"Sp. Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:16:29 -0500

Sp. Postumius Tubertus M. Minucio Audenti et Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salve,

I have to say that, in all the midst of the assumably thousands of messages I have recieved from this list lately, I have not yet been able to sift through them all. I can note that, when the prostitution discussion broke out, I checked my mail one night to arise to 192 messages. However, I have read a few of the religion-related posts, and have tried to minimize my postings on the topic. That said, let me continue to my point.

In what has been said by yourself, Audens, I must say that you have shown what I have known you to epitomate, that being justice and virtue, as well as temperance, and wisdom.

Let us all follow his words, my fellow citizens. Let us not fight endlessly about this. Let us, gently and smoothly, embrace each other's religion with the same as we would wish others to embrace our own religions, as not, perhaps, a conversion, but, rather, an acceptance of each other, and an agreement to disagree, as has been mentioned before.

Let me leave you, in my toga virilis (and not candidatus), at that.

Optime Valete,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Declaration for Praetor
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:30:52 +0100

Salve Drusus,

[>] > Right now there is nothing preventing a
[>] > Lex or an Edict from making an action that was legal
[>] < when it was comitted into a crime. I Will work for an
[>] < admendment to our Constitution That bans Ex Post Facto
[>] < Laws and Edicts.

Very interesting candidacy speech
I am pretty deficient in my knowledge of Nova roma laws and I am trying to
correct this lack in my education.
Does your statement above mean for example: If I post 'I hate pomegranates',
a law can be made AFTERWARDS that says 'anyone who states within Nova Roma
that they hate pomegranates has broken the law.' ? If so, then your wish to
create an amendment banning this sounds like a very good one.

By the way, I have nothing at all against pomegranates:-)

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Declaration for Praetor
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:41:23 -0800 (PST)

--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:
> Salve Drusus,
>
> [>] > Right now there is nothing preventing a
> [>] > Lex or an Edict from making an action that was
> legal
> [>] < when it was comitted into a crime. I Will work
> for an
> [>] < admendment to our Constitution That bans Ex
> Post Facto
> [>] < Laws and Edicts.
>
> Very interesting candidacy speech
> I am pretty deficient in my knowledge of Nova roma
> laws and I am trying to
> correct this lack in my education.
> Does your statement above mean for example: If I
> post 'I hate pomegranates',
> a law can be made AFTERWARDS that says 'anyone who
> states within Nova Roma
> that they hate pomegranates has broken the law.' ?
> If so, then your wish to
> create an amendment banning this sounds like a very
> good one.
>
> By the way, I have nothing at all against
> pomegranates:-)

Salve Diana Moravia,

Your acessment is correct. You could offer an opinion
on pomegranates today, and a law could be passed next
week punishing you for posting something that is legal
today.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] IURO / Juro / Oath of office
From:	"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius $E-mail$" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:01:42 +0100

Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.
Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P.
Sandoval),
Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus
atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.
Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), Romanam religionem
favere et
defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere
ita ut eius status publicae
religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.
Praeterea ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) IVRO quam
optime
fungi officium muneris Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae.
Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae
Hispaniae ACCIPIO una cum
iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, ante diem VIII Id. NOVEMBRAS MMDCCLV a.u.c

--------------------------

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) do hereby solemnly
swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P.
Sandoval),
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), swear to uphold and
defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), swear to protect and
defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), further swear to
fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus Externis Rebus
Provinciae Hispaniae to the
best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae and
all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, 11/6/02

--------------------------

Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) por la presente juro
solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los
legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.
Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David
P. Sandoval), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades
públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.
Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), juro mantener y
defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca
actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del
Estado.
Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), juro proteger y
defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.
Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval), juro además cumplir
con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Legatus Externis Rebus
Provinciae Hispaniae , poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.
En la Provincia de Hispania, 6/11/02

Vale bene,

Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	"lithia_cassia" <mscommunication@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:05:19 -0000

About the application fee upfront.. if there had been an application
fee when I had been thinking about joining Nova Roma, I would not
have joined. Why? Not because I'm cheap (I fully intend to pay
taxes), but because this is for the most part an internet-run
operation that I knew very little about when I joined. Of course I
knew that this was a society with a love of 'all things Roman' but
did I know for certain if it was legitimate? Did I know it wasn't
just a bunch of SCA kids who went off on a Roman tangent? No, I
didn't. I learned long ago not to pay for something online unless
you knew for a FACT that it was solid, genuine, and you actually
wanted it.

I think the concept of a membership fee is fine, but maybe there
should be a 2 week 'initiation' where no fee is required, you can't
vote, and you can be kicked out at the will of the people. This
would effectively stop trolls, and at the end of the two weeks, I
would have happily paid the fee to join, once my worries had been put
to rest.

Also, I like the idea of calling & sending something by snail mail.
Firstly, you wouldn't neccessarily have to use long distance if the
leader of their province were to call. That would give them a bit of
official Nova Roman work to do, and it would provide the new citizen
with an actual warm welcome to Nova Roma. I think that would deter
your average troll, as who wants to be caught giving out their mom's
phone # all for a prank? Also, verifying mailing address would help
in that aspect as well.

As far as social security #s and whatnot go, be aware that you can
never require someone give you their ss # - that is a federal
offence, and having them send a copy of their DL # or whatnot is to
me, a waste of time.

Vale,
Lithia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Declaration of Candidacy: Praetor
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:03:18 -0000

Salve caro amice

He won't be the only one on supportting you. I will vote for you too.
Only can say Astur's job as Legatus Externis, as Tribunus, and many
other fronts in our Province and Nova Roma have been outstanding. His
achievements can't be put aside as far as he is one of the most
hardworkers I know. Voting him is voting the best of Futures for ALL
of us. :-)

Vale bene,

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites; et salve, Marine.
>
> --- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@y...> escribió:
> > Gnaeus Salix Astur writes:
> >
> > > I hereby declare my intention to run for the praetorship in this
> > > year's elections.
> >
> > Congratulations! I shall be pleased to vote for you.
> >
> > -- Marinus
>
> Thank you, amice. Coming from you, that's a real honour.
>
> =====
> Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Tribunus Plebis
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
> Triumvir Academiae Thules
> Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
> Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Declaration for Praetor
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:35:02 -0000

L. Sicinius Drusus:

> I Stand before you in a whitened Toga and ask you to
> vote for me as your Praetor.

Drusus, I have already promised my vote for Praetor to
Salix Astur. But I will say here that you are a good
man, and if you are elected I shall congratulate you
without reservation. Sometimes my view on an issue
differs from yours, though often I agree with you. But
more importantly, you have integrity, and you are fair.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A. Hirtius Helveticus for Rogator
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:36:57 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "A. Hirtius Helveticus" <hirtius75ch@y...>
wrote:
> Aulus Hirtius Helveticus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> After a long and serious period of consideration and
> discussion within my home province, I hereby humbly
> declare my candidacy for the position of Rogator for
> the year 2576 a.u.c.
>

Welcome aboard and wish you well in the election.

Vale,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A Hellene's Questions
From:	"tojackso" <tojackso@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:06:35 -0000

Salvete,

I've been reading with great interest, and a couple of questions
occur to me. I'm in no way acting in any official Hellenion capacity,
BTW.

First, the monotheism vs. polytheism debate resembles a few
discussions we Hellenes have had among ourselves, with one very
crucial difference: since Hellenion is almost entirely based upon the
religion, Hellenismos, without any political aspirations beyond those
that serve religious ends, there aren't any Christians among us. This
raises a question about NR: in your estimation, about what percentage
of your membership worships the Olympian Gods? I refer to the Gods
specifically, as opposed to the place/household numina also
associated with the (extraordinarily lovely!) Religio Roma.

Second, I'm surprised at the heat generated by your discussion of the
terms "In God We Trust" and "Under God." My understanding is that
your interest is in reviving Rome. What, then, is your general
attitude toward the United States (those of you who are American)? If
your intention is to one day secede/emigrate, from whence derives the
passion in this argument?

May the Gods smile upon your fascinating venture!

Hie Paian!

Todd Jackson


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] To Rufus
From:	"g_agorius_taurinus" <g_agorius_taurinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:35:39 -0000

Rufus wrote to me:

*****What are you afraid of, showing an outward support for the
> veterans (like myself) who have been shot at or killed JUST because
I
> or they wore a specific uniform or flag? If you cannot openly show
> support for your government, move.

I was in the military, Rufus. I have helped to defend this country. I
don't have to "move" just because I don't agree with your politics. I
am defending my OWN rights to not have religion shoved down my
throat. No public event should have a prayer attached to it, EVER,
unless they are willing to poll the audience and ask what everyone's
religion is, and have a special prayer to everyone's God or Gods or
religious concepts. This government endorses NO RELIGION. That is the
way it is, and the way it should be. But it's hard for republicans to
understand that not everyone prays to their "god".

G.A. Taurinus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Juramento Scriba Propretoris Sociorum
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Caius=20Iulius=20Barcinus=20Ciconius?= <xgemella@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:59:29 +0100 (CET)

Juramento
-----------

Ego, -Caivus Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)-, hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.
Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Caius Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez),
Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus
atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.
Ego, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)-, Romanam religionem favere et
defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere
ita ut eius status publicae
religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.
Praeterea ego, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez) IVRO quam optime
fungi officium muneris SCRIBA Propraetoris Sociorum.
Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus SCRIBA Propraetoris Sociorum ACCIPIO una cum
iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, (06/11/02)

--------------------------

I, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs(nombre real)-, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, -Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez),swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, -Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)-, swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, -Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs(Francisco Javier Martinez Ibáñez)-, swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Caivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)-, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of SCRIBA Propraetoris Sociorum to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of -tu cargo- and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, (06/11/02)

Yo, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez*), por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs * (*Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez*), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez*), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez*), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez*), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de *SCRIBA Propraetoris Sociorum, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

In provincia Hispania 6/11/02

Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs
Flamen Furrinalis, Decurio Hispaniae et Scriba Propretoris Sociorum

Col. Faventina Ivlia Avgvsta Peterna Barcino. Provincia Hipania.
Si vales bene est.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:17:59 -0000

Salve Lithia,

There is no fee to subscribe to the mailing list, and some of the
special interest groups here do not require one to be a citizen to
subscribe and participate. Things as they are now allow for a "try
before you buy" approach.

Nerva

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "lithia_cassia" <mscommunication@a...> wrote:
> About the application fee upfront.. if there had been an application
> fee when I had been thinking about joining Nova Roma, I would not
> have joined. Why? Not because I'm cheap (I fully intend to pay
> taxes), but because this is for the most part an internet-run
> operation that I knew very little about when I joined. Of course I
> knew that this was a society with a love of 'all things Roman' but
> did I know for certain if it was legitimate? Did I know it wasn't
> just a bunch of SCA kids who went off on a Roman tangent? No, I
> didn't. I learned long ago not to pay for something online unless
> you knew for a FACT that it was solid, genuine, and you actually
> wanted it.
>
> I think the concept of a membership fee is fine, but maybe there
> should be a 2 week 'initiation' where no fee is required, you can't
> vote, and you can be kicked out at the will of the people. This
> would effectively stop trolls, and at the end of the two weeks, I
> would have happily paid the fee to join, once my worries had been put
> to rest.
>
> Also, I like the idea of calling & sending something by snail mail.
> Firstly, you wouldn't neccessarily have to use long distance if the
> leader of their province were to call. That would give them a bit of
> official Nova Roman work to do, and it would provide the new citizen
> with an actual warm welcome to Nova Roma. I think that would deter
> your average troll, as who wants to be caught giving out their mom's
> phone # all for a prank? Also, verifying mailing address would help
> in that aspect as well.
>
> As far as social security #s and whatnot go, be aware that you can
> never require someone give you their ss # - that is a federal
> offence, and having them send a copy of their DL # or whatnot is to
> me, a waste of time.
>
> Vale,
> Lithia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Juramento
From:	cme <cme@arrakis.es>
Date:	Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:37:46 GMT

Ego, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, hoc ipso facto sollemniter IVRO Novae
Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu
agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, Romae deos
deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas
virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.

Ego, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, Romanam religionem favere et defendere
IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius
status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego, Marianus Adrianus Sarus IVRO quam optime fungi officium
muneris SCRIBA Propraetoris Curatore Confabulatorii.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus SCRIBA Propraetoris Curatore
Confabulatorii ACCIPIO una cum
iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, (5/11/02)

----------------------------------

Yo, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, por la presente juro solemnemente
enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos
intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, juro
honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y
perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, juro mantener y defender la Religión
Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que
pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, juro proteger y defender la Constitución
de Nova Roma.

Yo, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y
responsabilidades del cargo de SCRIBA Propraetoris Curatore
Confabulatorii, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

En la provincia Hispana. (5/11/02).

-----------------------------------

I, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marianus Adrianus Sarus, further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of SCRIBA Propraetoris Curatore
Confabulatorii to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, (5/11/02).


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	"lithia_cassia" <mscommunication@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 03:26:20 -0000

Well exactly. There's also no fee upfront to be a citizen. I was
just stating that if Nova Roma were to impliment a sign up fee, I
think they should have a bit of a grace period for newbies.

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> Salve Lithia,
>
> There is no fee to subscribe to the mailing list, and some of the
> special interest groups here do not require one to be a citizen to
> subscribe and participate. Things as they are now allow for a "try
> before you buy" approach.
>
> Nerva
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "lithia_cassia" <mscommunication@a...> wrote:
> > About the application fee upfront.. if there had been an
application
> > fee when I had been thinking about joining Nova Roma, I would not
> > have joined. Why? Not because I'm cheap (I fully intend to pay
> > taxes), but because this is for the most part an internet-run
> > operation that I knew very little about when I joined. Of course
I
> > knew that this was a society with a love of 'all things Roman'
but
> > did I know for certain if it was legitimate? Did I know it
wasn't
> > just a bunch of SCA kids who went off on a Roman tangent? No, I
> > didn't. I learned long ago not to pay for something online
unless
> > you knew for a FACT that it was solid, genuine, and you actually
> > wanted it.
> >
> > I think the concept of a membership fee is fine, but maybe there
> > should be a 2 week 'initiation' where no fee is required, you
can't
> > vote, and you can be kicked out at the will of the people. This
> > would effectively stop trolls, and at the end of the two weeks, I
> > would have happily paid the fee to join, once my worries had been
put
> > to rest.
> >
> > Also, I like the idea of calling & sending something by snail
mail.
> > Firstly, you wouldn't neccessarily have to use long distance if
the
> > leader of their province were to call. That would give them a
bit of
> > official Nova Roman work to do, and it would provide the new
citizen
> > with an actual warm welcome to Nova Roma. I think that would
deter
> > your average troll, as who wants to be caught giving out their
mom's
> > phone # all for a prank? Also, verifying mailing address would
help
> > in that aspect as well.
> >
> > As far as social security #s and whatnot go, be aware that you
can
> > never require someone give you their ss # - that is a federal
> > offence, and having them send a copy of their DL # or whatnot is
to
> > me, a waste of time.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Lithia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum: Appointment of Scribae
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:23:31 -0600

T Labienus Fortunatus Praetor Quiritibus SPD

I hereby appoint Spurius Postumius Tubertus and Sextus Cornelius Cotta
as my scribae. Their duties shall be to help Renata Corva and myself
moderate the main list.

Valete


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Juramento Scriba Propraetoris Sociorum
From:	"Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs" <xgemella@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:44:44 -0000

Juramento
-----------

Ego, -Caivus Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez
Ibáñez)-, hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.
Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Caius Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs
(Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez),
Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus
atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.
Ego, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez
Ibáñez)-, Romanam religionem favere et
defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere
ita ut eius status publicae
religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.
Praeterea ego, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier
Martínez Ibáñez) IVRO quam optime
fungi officium muneris SCRIBA Propraetoris Sociorum.
Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus SCRIBA Propraetoris Sociorum
ACCIPIO una cum
iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, (06/11/02)

--------------------------

I, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs(nombre real)-, do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, -Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs
(Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez),swear to honor the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, -Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)-
, swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, -Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs(Francisco Javier Martinez Ibáñez)-
, swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Caivs Barcinvs Ciconivs (Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)-,
further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of SCRIBA Propraetoris
Sociorum to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of -tu cargo- and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, (06/11/02)

Yo, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez
Ibáñez*), por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de
Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y
el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs
* (*Francisco Javier Martínez Ibáñez*), juro honrar a los Dioses y
Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes
Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez
Ibáñez*), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión
Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar
amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez
Ibáñez*), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, *Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs* (*Francisco Javier Martínez
Ibáñez*), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y
responsabilidades del cargo de *SCRIBA Propraetoris Sociorum,
poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

In provincia Hispania 6/11/02

Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs

Flamen Furrinalis, Decurio Hispaniae et Scriba Propraetoris Sociorum

Col. Faventina Ivlia Avgvsta Peterna Barcino. Provincia Hipania.

Si vales bene est.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:38:43 -0800

Avete Lithia Cassia et Omnes,

Lithia Cassia, I understand your concerns regarding this. Let me assure you that you will be able to participate in all manners like you do now. You will be able to subscribe to the ML and all subsequent NR lists. You will be able to participate in face to face meetings as well. Also, please let me add that all of our prospective citizens should take time and observe Nova Roma. In this way they get to know us, read our laws and constitution and they will be able to make a much better decision in regards to what gentes they want to join. These are important decisions that should be weighed carefully before joining Nova Roma.

However, we must recognize there is a problem here and deal with it. In the legislation that I am writing up now I am certainly going to take my colleague's suggestion and change incoming citizens from being Assdui.

And I would like to add a very small fee. Somewhere around $3.00-5.00. This is consistent (and very low) with many other not for profit corporations. Many Not for profit corporations charge an initial fee to join them. The organizations I belong(ed) to charge an initiating fee at the lowest of 25.00 on up to 150.00. I think this small fee would stand to prevent those people who surf the website and just sign up and do a hit and run. And, it would prevent citizens from wanting to commit voter fraud by signing up for many many different citizenships.

If someone cannot pay the 3.00-5.00 to sign up for citizenship, it can be assumed that they would not pay the tax either when that became due.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: lithia_cassia
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants

About the application fee upfront.. if there had been an application
fee when I had been thinking about joining Nova Roma, I would not
have joined. Why? Not because I'm cheap (I fully intend to pay
taxes), but because this is for the most part an internet-run
operation that I knew very little about when I joined. Of course I
knew that this was a society with a love of 'all things Roman' but
did I know for certain if it was legitimate? Did I know it wasn't
just a bunch of SCA kids who went off on a Roman tangent? No, I
didn't. I learned long ago not to pay for something online unless
you knew for a FACT that it was solid, genuine, and you actually
wanted it.

I think the concept of a membership fee is fine, but maybe there
should be a 2 week 'initiation' where no fee is required, you can't
vote, and you can be kicked out at the will of the people. This
would effectively stop trolls, and at the end of the two weeks, I
would have happily paid the fee to join, once my worries had been put
to rest.

Also, I like the idea of calling & sending something by snail mail.
Firstly, you wouldn't neccessarily have to use long distance if the
leader of their province were to call. That would give them a bit of
official Nova Roman work to do, and it would provide the new citizen
with an actual warm welcome to Nova Roma. I think that would deter
your average troll, as who wants to be caught giving out their mom's
phone # all for a prank? Also, verifying mailing address would help
in that aspect as well.

As far as social security #s and whatnot go, be aware that you can
never require someone give you their ss # - that is a federal
offence, and having them send a copy of their DL # or whatnot is to
me, a waste of time.

Vale,
Lithia

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:53:33 -0500

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix:

I think a $3 - $5 fee to join Nova Roma is a terrible idea. How would people pay this? Paypal? I don't use paypal, and I know others who don't either. Could a person send a check? Or credit card, for $3.00? What about those in other countries were the exchange rate is different, do they pay less, or more?

I belong to several initiatory organizations that charge an initiatory fee. The difference between joining the Masons, Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, Elks, Eagles, et al is that they have lodge buildings and meet on a regular basis in a live format. Nova Roma does not, at least not in all places. It would be much easier for a person to look up Nova Roma in their phone book, under associations, and call and talk to a local "prefect" (I'm making this up) and say, "I want to be initiated into Nova Roma." At this point, you cannot compare Nova Roma to any initiatory organization becasue Nova Roma is not an initiatory organization. These initiatory organizations have degrees of membership (i.e., in Masonry; Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Mastermason), Nova Roma doesn't have a degree system. Its not a mystery tradition.

It doesn't work like that. I spent over six months looking over the Nova Roma website before I joined. Going through each Gens listing over and over again. Some people join on a whim. Others will take a long time. A small fee, is in my opinion, pointless and will clutter up our system. Reform status perhaps, but discard the idea of a fee "small fee" for joining it will do more harm than good.

With regard to people running for offices, being proven to be "real" people. I do not have a problem with this. A simple way of verification would be to have each Provincial Magistrate (Propraetor or Proconsul) validate those within their Province. For example...I live in Lacus Magni. If I am running for an elected office it would be the responsibility of the provincial magistrate (or a designated legate or scribe) to validate my membership, either in person or over the phone. I know that provincial magistrates get a budget, this could be a part of their budget expense. The magistrate could contact the censors and let them know that they validate that the candidate running for office is who they say they are, and all is good and life can continue.

In Fellowship:

G. Modius Athanasius
Candidate for Tribune of the People

In a message dated 11/5/2002 10:38:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, alexious@earthlink.net writes:

>
>
> Avete Lithia Cassia et Omnes,
>
> Lithia Cassia, I understand your concerns regarding this. Let me assure you that you will be able to participate in all manners like you do now. You will be able to subscribe to the ML and all subsequent NR lists. You will be able to participate in face to face meetings as well. Also, please let me add that all of our prospective citizens should take time and observe Nova Roma. In this way they get to know us, read our laws and constitution and they will be able to make a much better decision in regards to what gentes they want to join. These are important decisions that should be weighed carefully before joining Nova Roma.
>
> However, we must recognize there is a problem here and deal with it. In the legislation that I am writing up now I am certainly going to take my colleague's suggestion and change incoming citizens from being Assdui.
>
> And I would like to add a very small fee. Somewhere around $3.00-5.00. This is consistent (and very low) with many other not for profit corporations. Many Not for profit corporations charge an initial fee to join them. The organizations I belong(ed) to charge an initiating fee at the lowest of 25.00 on up to 150.00. I think this small fee would stand to prevent those people who surf the website and just sign up and do a hit and run. And, it would prevent citizens from wanting to commit voter fraud by signing up for many many different citizenships.
>
> If someone cannot pay the 3.00-5.00 to sign up for citizenship, it can be assumed that they would not pay the tax either when that became due.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Election Reminder
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 06:04:02 +0000

Salvete omnes:

Ladies and gentlemen, my apologies. I made a clerical error. I
announced my support for Salix Galaicus for praetor, whereas I meant to say
Salix Astur. It is Salix Astur who is running for praetor and not Salix
Galaicus.

Sorry again.

Galerius Peregrinator.

> >

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A History Lesson
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 06:21:35 -0000

Salve Proconsul Audens,
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Senators Palladius and Julianus;
>
> Thank you Senator Paladius, for you recollections. You information
> brings those memories back again with ever increasing clarity. I
> remember both yours and Cassius' encouragement of me, as
>Cincinnatus had done. My thanks again for your very kind efforts in
>that area as well.

You are quite welcome. It really doesn't seem like it was four years
ago--so much has happened in the years since.

> I am somewhat surprised however, to find out that I am not "really"
>a Patrician, as the Honored Consul Sulla has said. I wonder if that
>means that I or any of my Gens could run for Tribune??

No, I don't believe any of you can run for Tribune of the Plebs. :)
You are a Patrician, nothing can change that. You were made a
patrician only eight months after the Founding of Nova Roma, there is
hardly any great time difference between yours and the original
patrician gentes. Nova Roma's laws and constitution make no
distinction between someone made a patrician 4 years ago or
yesterday.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject:	Re: Quintilianus & Re: [Nova-Roma] Argument
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:31:56 -0500

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 12:12:03AM +0100, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
> Salve Honorable Caius Minucius Scaevola, Amice!

<smile> Salve, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Amice. My apologies for the
my tardiness in answering - I've had a spate of business and private
issues to handle recently. Fortunately, all dealt with for the moment...

> If You are into Rhetorics, may I recommend the "teacher" in Rhetoric,
> Marcus Fabius Quintilianus (35 A.D. - app. 100 A.D.). This "ancestor"
> of mine wrote the "Institutio oratoria" a very interesting book about
> pedagogics, rhetorics and over-all education, which I am reading in a
> selected version, and it really is interesting! ;-)

My thanks; I really appreciate the pointer. I've read a fair bit of
material related to logic and oratory, but it's been rather a scattered,
dilletante ramble... I like to believe that it's due to the nature of
the material rather than my own fault. :) This, of course, means that I
should be able to learn the subject by simply reading a good book (see
how neatly I trap myself into these things? :)

I'll be sure to check it out once time permits; again, my thanks.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Non omne quod licet honestum est.
Not everything that is permitted is honest.
-- Corpus Iuris Civilis: Digesta

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] *VENATIONES* 2nd day!!!!!
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:37:28 -0800 (PST)

AGAIN IN THE CIRCUS FLAMINIUS FOR ANOTHER COMBAT OF
THE NOVA ROMA VENATIONES!!!!!

THE CROWD GET CRAZY! They all remember the unlucky end
of Astacius, the fighter of Salix Galaicus!
However, the survived pather made us understand that
Astacius was really delicious. You see, Galaicus, your
choice was the best one.

BUT I SEE A NEW VENATOR ENTERING THE CIRCUS!

NO! SHE IS A *VENATRIX*!!!

LATINA! A really brawny woman coming from Gallia
Cisalpina!
She has a strngth of 44 and a resistance of 36. She
train in Ludus Pentasium.

Hey, what's that? Among the crowd I can see a
person... that's Diana Moravia Aventina! She is taking
pictures of her fighter with her digital camera! She
also cheers Latina with a "poculum cerevisiae", which
Babarians usually call "glass of beer".
We wish Diana the best, also because she spent all
what she had for her dear venatrix, and now she has no
more Sestertii!

Ouch! But she has no longer to be so excited! Our nice
animal made its entry... A TIGER! And it's not an
ordinary tiger... in its curriculum vitae there is
already a victim!
Latina's foe has a strength of 40 and a resistance of
39.

Diana sits down, maybe a bit worried now...

THE ACTION BEGINS!!!

Latina runs toward the tiger, and the animal does the
same...

At the last moment Latina jumps in order to avoid the
beast! Hey! What a jump!
But... WAIT A MOMENT!!! THE LACES OF HER CALIGAE GOT
ENTANGLED IN THE TIGER'S CANINES! Latina falls down.
The tiger start running dragging her through the whole
circus!!!

Hey! Does anyone want to join them? We could have some
nice Ludi Circenses!
GO PRAESINA!!! GO! GO! GO! :)

At a certain point Latina manages to free herself with
a jerk.

The cloud of dust gradually disappears.....

We see Latina tying her laces again...

Our beast is whimpering on the opposite side...

An in the center of the circus..... THE FINE SET OF
THEETS OF THE TIGER!!!

A shining dentition. Several people must put on the
sunglasses to protect their eyes from the glares.

Latina has now a resistance of 32; our tiger, 33.

The tiger is really upset now! It was proud of those
shining theets!
Our animal attacks Latina (which is still tying her
laces...) and start scratching her face!

The venatrix doesn't seems to like this behaviour: she
takes the glittering dentition and.... WHAT IS SHE
DOING? Is she eating it?

............ SHE WEARS IT AS A DENTURE!!! SHE BITE THE
TIGER!!!

OUCH! NO!..................... NO!.............
I can't see more........
Diana is a bit embarrassed... She didn't expected her
fighter to battle this way.
(in fact she stopped taking pictures)

Latina has now 29 resistance points, while the tiger
has 25.

While the tiger is licking its wounds, Latina ask for
somebody to tie her laces.
Hey, folks! Is anybody willing to enter the circus to
help this charming lady? It could be a good
opportunity for our candidates to attract the voters'
attention!

Too late, the tiger is ready again.

Latina has her fingers caught in her caligae's laces.
Diana, how did you paid to have this woman at you
service? You could at least teach her how to do this
kind of things!

Te tiger approaches..........

approaches........
approaches.........

Our animal seems to be not so sure... at a certain
points it decides to jump upon Latina... BUT OUR
VENATRIX GRINDS HER NEW DENTITION AND....ROARS!!!
(what a woman! I am not able to do it!)
THE TIGER IS TERRIFIED AND QUICKLY RUNS TOWARD THE
OPPOSITE SIDE!

BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!................

!!!!!!!!!! ##?"\\\§§#***###=&#& !!!!!!!!

Oh, poor cat.... the wall of the circus was really
hard, and you exactly banged your head against it...

Latina: resistance 28; the tiger: 13.

Latina frees her fingers from the laces.
She prepares for next attack: perhaps she decided to
fight seriously.

The tiger whimpers.
Latina approaches....

approaches...
approaches.. (hey, I already read this part!)

What is....hum... she is showing the crowd her
laces...

Hey, hey! Sgìhe is saying something!

"I am not able to deal with these laces as you usually
do, but I don't want they to be completely unuseful."

NO!!! SHE IS PASSING THE LACES ALL AROUND THE TIGER'S
NECK!
SHE TIGHTENS THEM....... OUCH!!!..... what a strength!
You just could hear a weak "crac", nothing more.
What a sad end for our little striped cat!

Diana Moravia Aventina is a bit shocked; silence on
the crowd.

But after a few seconds..................

LATINA VICTORIOSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHE STILL HAS 27 RESISTANCE POINTS!!!

THE CROWD HAILS LATINA! THEY GET CRAZY!!!!!
DIANA STARTS TAKING PICTURES AGAIN!
(a "poculum cerevisiae" for me too, please!)

WHAT A COMBAT, FOLKS! NOTHING SERIOUS HAPPENED!
And Latina keeps the tiger's dentition in her mouth!
How sickening! :(

By the way, can anyway try to theach Latina how to tie
her laces? We wouldn't like to see her using them
through Nova Roma like today!

THAT'S ALL FOR TODAY!!!
THE VENATIONES AND "THE MUSARUM NETWORK" COME BACK
TOMORROW FOR NEW EXCITING COMBATS!!!!!!!

VALETE!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] *VENATIONES* 2nd day!!!!!
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:39:34 -0800 (PST)


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LVDI PLEBEI -- JOIN THE *LAW CASE CONTEST*!!!
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:53:17 -0800 (PST)

AVETE OMNES

I remind you the four cases to be judged for the Law
Case Contest!

Read them, write your judgements and send them to
mcserapio@yahoo.it putting "LAW" in the subject line.

On November 17th we will find out if your sentences
are the same of several ancient Roman jurists!

Further information at
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/law.html

And now... THE CASES!

Case #1: The Barber
"While several persons are playing ball, the ball
having been struck too violently it should hit the
hand of barber who is shaving a slave at the time, in
such a way that the throat of the latter is cut by the
razor, the party responsible for negligence is liable
under the Lex Aquila."

Is the barber responsible for injury to someone he is
shaving in a location where it is customary to play
ball or is it the responsibility of the customer to
place himself in a safe position?

Case #2: Mules and Wagons
"Mules were hauling two loaded wagons up the
Capitoline Hill, and the drivers were pushing the
first wagon, which was inclined to one side, in order
that the mules might haul it more easily. In the
meantime the upper wagon began to go back, and as the
drivers were caught between the two wagons they jumped
out of the way and the last wagon was struck by the
first. The second wagon then moved back, crushing a
slave boy who belonged to someone."

Are the men responsible to the owner of the slave for
dangerous action and driving of wagons or is the owner
of the mules responsible for owning and using unstable
and fractious mules?

Case #3: Hogs and Wolves
"Wolves carried away some hogs from my shepherds; the
tenant of an adjoining farm, having pursued the wolves
with strong and powerful dogs, which he kept for the
protection of his flocks, took the hogs away from the
wolves. . . . [The] shepherd claimed the hogs."

Are the hogs the legal property of the shepherd who
saved them or are they still the rightful property of
their original owners?

Case #4: Jewels--the Will, and the Heir
"I gave pearls and gold to Antonia Tertylla. She
afterwards took possession of the jewels and then died
without the valuables being listed in her will. Her
heir converted the pearls and gold into a necklace for
her own use. I asked if these valuables, since they
were not in their original form, had been added to,
were not listed in the will, and did not belong to the
heir should be returned to me."

Do the jewels belong to the gift giver because they
were not listed in the will or are all properties
owned by Antonia now possessions of her heir?

OPTIME VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
Scriba Aedilis Plebis (Ti.Apo.Cicatricis)
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Jurament for Scriba Arenae
From:	"Federico Gonzalez" <apicius@federico.info>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:07:09 +0100 ((MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit)

Ego, Marcus Durmius Sisena(Federico M.Gonzalez Sanchez), hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae
Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu
agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Marcus Durmius Sisena(Federico M. González
Sánchez), Romae deos
deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas
virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.

Ego,Marcus Durmius Sisena( Federico M.González Sanchez), Romanam religionem
favere et defendere
IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius
status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego,Marcus Durmius Sisena IVRO quam optime fungi officium
muneris SCRIBA Propraetoris Arenae

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus SCRIBA Propraetoris Arenae
Confabulatorii ACCIPIO una cum
iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, (5/11/02)

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I,Marcus Durmius Sisena(Federico M. Gonzalez Sanchez)-, do hereby solemnly
swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Durmius Sisena(Federico M: González
Sanchez)-,
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Marcus Durmius Sisena (Federico González Sanchez)-, swear to uphold and
defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Durmius Sisena (Federico M. Gonzalez Sanchez)-, swear to protect
and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I,Marcus Durmisu Sisena(Federico González Sanchez)-, further swear to
fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of SCRIBA Propraetoris Arenae
to the
best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of SCRIBA Propraetoris Arenae and all the rights,
privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, (6-11-2002)

Marcus Durmius Sisena

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Polytheism and Monotheism
From:	"Marcus Sentiius Claudius" <msentius@bigpond.net.au>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:06:45 +1100

Oh Please !!!

I agree with Sullas statement. I had an Anglican upbringing and the very thought of associating with Pagans was a aweful thought. We were taught at a very early stage that Pagans were worshipers of the Devil.

It is only after some enlightened education, did one really understand the background of the term "one who was not a miles christi"

I find Sulla's observations extremely accurate. Perhaps you may wish to do some further research yourself.

And yet more comments on "leaving the group" (oh please)

Marcus Sentius Claudius
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From: aarmpa
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Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Polytheism and Monotheism

This discussion is becoming quite tiresome and seems to have no end
in sight. I am going to put my final two cents in it and take a break
from Nova-Roma. Perhaps I need to check out other groups on the net
that concentrate more on Roman History and less on debating on whose
religion is better? But I digress, I take issue with L. Cornelius
Sulla's statement (#4380). "I was under the impression that
Christians hate and/or fear Pagans because they are taught to" Why do
you say that? I have never heard of such a thing. I can't speak for
other Christians but as a Roman Catholic for 36 years I have never
heard a priest say that during a sermon. Several people on this list
have made comments about the Christian faith that couldn't be further
from the truth. Before you post try to research observations if they
are accurate. I know nothing about paganism so I would never presume
to write impressions without a thorough understanding of what I would
want to post. I realize in every religion there are individuals that
pontificate their interpetation of their faith but there is no reason
to generalize. I believe most people of whatever religion are
tolerant of those of different faiths. I'm not going to leave the
group yet but if I see that this discussion doesn't end shortly and
other topics aren't raised I have no choice.

aarmpa

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Oath of Office / Juramento / Iuramentum
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Hadrianus=20Rutilius=20Bardulus?= <gens_rutilia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:25:55 +0100 (CET)

OATH OF OFFICE

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Scriba Propraetoris Praeco Actae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris Praeco Actae and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

JURAMENTO

Yo, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Scriba Propraetoris Praeco Actae, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

Por mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma, en presencia de los Dioses y Diosas del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto la posición de Scriba Propraetoris Praeco Actae y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que a ella corresponden.

IVRAMENTVM

Ego, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia) hoc ipso facto sollemniter iuro Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), Romae Deos Deasque colere iuro in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas Virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi.

Ego, Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia), Romanam Religionem favere et defendere iuro ut Novae Romae Reipublicae Religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status Publicae Religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus (Andrés Velasco de Galicia) iuro quam optime fungi officium muneris Scribae Propraetoris Praeco Actae.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani Deis atque Deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Scribae Propraetoris Praeco Actae accipio una cum iuribus, privilegiis, munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Madrid (Spain), November 6th., year 2002 of present era, in the consulship of Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

En Madrid (España), a 6 de noviembre del año 2002 de la Era actual, en el consulado de Marcus Octavius Germanicus y Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

Matriti (Provincia Hispania), ante diem VIII Idus Novembras, MMDCCLV ab Urbe condita.

Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus

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Provincia Hispania Novae Romae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for Plebeian Aedile
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:08:52 -0300 (ART)

(Holiest muse Polimnia come on my aid, beneath the nine daughters of Iove, you, wise virgin, presides over the political speech)

Citizens... and I adress to my fellow plebeians, since we are on the forth day of campaign and there still isn´t any candidates for the magistracy of PLEBEIAN AEDILE, may mind has changed and I´ll run for it... Someone may can me ambitious, well, the ambition to serve is a noble desire as well!

This office will not escape the great objective of my work on Nova Roma ; BRING MORE CITIZENS. And the gate of Nova Roma is the plebs, proud plebs! The plebs grows on new countries as NR spreads itself, and the most flourishing gentes on the res Publica are plebeians.

Once again the work of entablishing the Temple of Concordia (http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/aedes/aedes.html) was the key of my views of how to help NR. This little sacred space has provided offices and good cultural introduction to the religio romana to many new citizens on my province, helping them a lot. We do not need great things, but CONSTANT things happening to continuous feed the new citizens of compromise.

Fellow plebeians, if I did have merits and work done to the res Publica, if someone likes my humble and few work, if my poor words have brought some contribution to the public fora, please, I beg your vote and I will beg much more. Do not have doubts, the plebeian order is the heart of Nova Roma.

I finish this brief discourse praising the goddesses Concordia, Pax et Salus. They has supported me on many endeavours and is not without their auspices I decided to run for Plebeian Aedile. May they, as patronesses of the Respect and Responsability, shine upon us on that times of illness of our pietas, endless arguing and exodus of citizens.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,

L. Arminius Faustus

Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.

Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Action & Responsibility
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:21:41 +0000 (GMT)

Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 07:00:28PM +0000, Jamie Johnston wrote:

Salve, Jamie (do you have a Roman name?), and my apologies for not
responding sooner; I was out of town, and net.incommunicado for the last
two days.

> C. Minucius Scaevola wrote:
>
> > Surely, then, your own inaction in not committing every single second of
> > your life to fighting for world peace makes you responsible for all the
> > deaths that would not have occurred otherwise? In, say, fifty years of
> > concerted effort, surely you would have saved at least one life, and
> > very likely more. Shouldn't your inaction count legally as the action of
> > murder?
>
> Well, there are three issues here that I can see at first glance. One
> is whether inaction counts as action.

If it does, then the above makes you morally liable as stated.

> The second is whether
> consequently responsibility can be assigned for the results of
> inaction.

If the first is true, the second follows.

> Thirdly, whether failing to prevent something carries the
> same degree of moral culpability as causing the thing to occur.

This would have to be on a case-by-case basis, obviously... which does
not work well with any legal system of which I'm aware.

> You
> also raise the equivalent question of legal culpability, but I hope
> you will permit me simply to state that I don't consider the purpose
> of law to be to enforce morality, and therefore I'm content to let
> that particular issue lie outside my contribution to this discussion.

This is one of *the* key issues, as I see it, and cannot be laid aside
or even flung aside; "except for *that* little incident, Mrs. Lincoln,
what did you think of the play?" doesn't work.

> On the first issue, as I've made clear, I think that inaction is
> action, and choosing not to act is a choice, and choosing not to
> choose is the same as choosing not to act.

In that case, I must ask how you morally justify your responsibility for
all those deaths?

> On the second issue, I have a less fully formed view, but I feel
> inclined to accept the implication of Prof. Chomsky's quotation (the
> one that started this discussion) that one is responsible for the
> predictable consequences of one's inaction.

There, I may _cautiously_ agree with you, if "predictable" is defined as
"predictable by a normally prudent person" and includes a test of normal
capabilities. Note that this automatically puts it outside the scope of
any legal system that is applicable here, in Nova Roma. This *is*
something that puts it outside my field of interest here; if, to you,
this issue merits further discussion simply because of its philosophical
merits (and I will grant that it certainly posesses those), I'm afraid
that you'll have to find someone else to engage you.

[ Snip ]

> For the execution of a prisoner on
> death row in the United States whose case I had read about, I am to a
> very slight degree responsible, because I was aware of it, and I could
> have prevented it; but the responsibility is only very slight, because
> I would have had to either mount a successful appeal, which would be
> extremely difficult and unlikely to succeed as I am not a lawyer, I
> live in the U.K., I cannot readily afford to travel to the States, and
> it would in any case probably be too short notice for an appeal, or
> else I could travel to the States (see above difficulties) and attempt
> to illegally free the prisoner from jail and help him or her escape to
> somewhere whence he or she could not be extradited. Assuming the
> prison to have reasonable security, this too I would find very
> difficult. Moreover, if I supported the death penalty (which I do not)
> and believed the person guilty, then I might be willing to accept that
> small amount of responsibility as the price for seeing the sentence
> carried out.

The major difference, as I see it, is that once you _are_ responsible,
and the law _does_ take cognizance of the fact, then you _must_ be
punished according to the measure. There does not seem to be any space
in the above discussion to afford the /de minimis non curat lex/
principle; you're either responsible, to whatever degree, or you're not.

> > I suggest putting on heavy gloves before digging any further into this
> > topic, and thorough disinfection afterwards. It smells to high heaven.
>
> As you can see, my gloves are well strapped on, and I'm prepared to
> wade through as much muck as I need to to have this interesting and
> important debate.

Beyond the above response, I don't see the point. If it's not applicable
here, it's purely of academic interest - and, much as I normally enjoy
bull sessions, my NR-specific time is limited and subject to a number of
commitments. It's possible that someone else may find this of interest.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Fortune favours the brave.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A. Hirtius Helveticus for Rogator
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:22:31 +0100 (CET)

Salve Quinte Cassie

--- quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com> wrote:
> Welcome aboard and wish you well in the election.

Thank you for the warm welcome and all the same to
you, too!

Vale bene,

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Candidacy for Curator Araneum
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:56:55 +0100

Salvete, quirites.

I stand before you, once again robed in the toga candida, this time to
seek the office previously held by my paterfamilias Marcus Octavius
Germanicus in such an exemplary fashion.

Last year, you elected me to serve you in the position of Quaestor,
displaying a faith in me I have done my utmost to prove true. Serving
under the senior Consul, I have worked alongside my colleague Gaius
Popillius Laenas in collecting your taxes for the first time ever, and
tried to conduct this duty to the full extent of my abilities.

This year, I ask you to trust me with the office for which I have served
as a scriba since shortly after my entry into Nova Roma. I have there
assisted the previous Curator Araneum in any ways I have been able, and
developed an understanding for how the nova roman website works. Now, as
he runs for the office of Censor, where I believe his many skills will
serve him well, I am prepared to assume his former position, in the way
he has taught me to.

Not only have I been working on the main website, I have also
constructed the website of Provincia Thule, as I by propraetor Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus was entrusted with the office of Praeco Anarei, or
webmaster, of Thule. He believed in me, as you last year proved you
believed in me, as I hope you will once again let me know you believe in
me.

As to my professional qualifications, I'm currently on my fourth year of
a five year university education in computer science. I am familiar with
UNIX-type systems, all from Solaris and AIX to FreeBSD (The OS of the
Nova Roma host) and Linux. I'm running Debian Linux at home, and most of
my educational programming takes place on either my home system or the
Solaris server at school.

I can use more than a few programming languages, more than I care to
name, but the ones which are probably best applicable here are C++ and
Java. I can write HTML and code CGI-scripts, and find my way through
most filesystems. I run my own private webserver, which currently hosts
the provincial website of Thule. I am familiar with databases, I have
worked with SQL during my studies, and am currently taking an advanced
class on databases.

Having conferred with several of the scribas of the current Curator, I
have asked them to serve as my scribas, should I be elected. I have also
asked the Curator himself, Marcus Octavius Germanicus, to assist me, and
he has agreed to do so. With their consent, I now look for yours. Let me
serve you once again, and I will once again do all that is in my power
for you.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Verifying memberships
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:50:40 +0100

Salvete,

Does anyone know in which countries it is illegal to make copies of a
passport, drivers license or identity card?
And is it illegal to scan in and email this type of official document? I
realize that not everyone has a scanner, but most people at least know
someone who does.

Other alternatives would be for these country's applicants to email or
snailmail in another form of identification that is not illegal.
For example:
1) University identification cards may not be legal in order to buy alcohol,
but it certainly has a photo, an address, etc.
2) An id card for your local health spa has a photo.
3) A train pass. For example, mine has my photo and my domicile, which is
Bilzen.
4) Even a library card has a name and address and in Belgium you need to
show your passport before you receive one.
5) An identification card from your job usually has a photo. Mine has an
awful one...
6) A US socal Secrity card or voter's registration card (or are these
illegal to photocopy?)

My better half who has recently applied to NR (and has been lurking on this
list since August,...) has a wallet full of different id's with varying
degrees of information on them.

These id's may not be considered official identification when someone
applies for a loan, but it certainly should be enough for our purposes. Of
course, these types of id's could be easily forged, but my point is, this
would be a step in the right direction.

I still am in favor or citizens paying an application fee, but I think that
this would take longer to implement, since there are very good arguments for
and against that idea.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - photo contest 1
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:36:14 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

A new and exciting contest, offered by Aedilis Plebis
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix:

PHOTO CONTEST

A very simple contest: 10 photos of Roman-era
monuments to recognize.

10 days long one photo will be posted each day. The
photo will contain a whole monument, or a very large
part of it.

You can participate by sending an email to
consulromanus@yahoo.com (put “PHOTO” in the subject
line), with your Nova Roma name and the correct
answer.

Today's photo can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/consulromanus/photo.html

Different kind of answers are possible, as shown in
this example:
A photo of the Pantheon can be described as:
Pantheon
Pantheon, Rome
Temple of Agrippa
Pantheon, Italy
Agrippa’s temple (Pantheon)
…
These are all correct answers; just make clear that
you recognize the monument on the photo!

All correct answers will be put together each day, and
my totally innocent two year old neighbour will pick
out a winner at random.

Everyone’s results will be presented each day in a
hit-parade.

So participate as much as possible to become the best
and greatest “monument-specialist”!

Valete bene

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----------
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Octavius for Censor! http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor
Serapio for Quaestor! http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/Serapio_for_Quaestor.html
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii reminder: Epigram contest
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:41:14 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

November 10th is the last day to send in your
epigrams! So hurry up!

I have already received some very nice epigrams, and
more are still welcome!!

Participate in this wonderful epigram contest and win
a book on Roman literature!

Here is the official message again:

----------
Salvete!!

During the Ludi Plebeii (November 4-17), organised by
both aediles plebis, an epigram contest will be held!

Show us your poetic skills and write an epigram!

To participate in this contest you have to write an
epigram, composed of two or four verses, with the
following scheme:

A: 13-15 syllables
B: 11-15 syllables
B must be shorter than A
An epigram with four verses should consist of ABAB

Some examples:

MARTIALIS:
“Aspicis incomptis illum, Deciane, capillis,
cuius et ipse times triste supercilium,
qui loquitur Curios adsertoresque Camillos?
Nolito fronti credere: nupsit heri.”

SAMUEL TAYLOR COLERIDGE:
“What is an epigram? A dwarfish whole;
Its body brevity, and wit its soul.”

PRESTON:
“No humorist laughs at his own wheeze:
A snuff-box has no right to sneeze.”

“The alienist is not a joke;
He finds you cracked and leaves you broke.”

HILAIRE BELLOC:
“Of old when folk lay sick and sorely tried,
The doctors gave them physic, and they died.”

“But here's a happier age; for now we know
Both how to make men sick and keep them so.
The Devil, having nothing else to do,
Went off to tempt My Lady Poltagrue.”

“My Lady, tempted by a private whim,
To his extreme annoyance, tempted him.
When I am dead, I hope it may be said:
His sins were scarlet, but his books were read.”

The jury of this contest:
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Manius Constantinus Serapio

Following categories will be used in judging:
Roman theme – 10 points
Content: humour, cleverness, … - 10 points
Scheme – 5 points
Language – 5 points

To participate, send an email (with your epigram and
Nova Roma name) to consulromanus@yahoo.com, with
“EPIGRAM” in the subject line. Last day to submit an
epigram is November 10th.

Participate in this contest! A wonderful prize will be
granted to the winner:

The winner of this contest will receive this nice book
(from Amazon):
“A Garden of Roman Verse” (J Paul Getty Museum Pubns);
1998; Hardcover; 80 pages

We hope to see many people participating in this
wonderful contest!!

----------

Valete bene

=====
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----------
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Octavius for Censor! http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor
Serapio for Quaestor! http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/Serapio_for_Quaestor.html
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	"Robert Woolwine" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:41:39 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix:
>
> I think a $3 - $5 fee to join Nova Roma is a terrible idea. How
would people pay this? Paypal? I don't use paypal, and I know
others who don't either. Could a person send a check? Or credit
card, for $3.00? What about those in other countries were the
exchange rate is different, do they pay less, or more?

Sulla: It would be paid the same way as our taxes are paid, through
paypal (or any other bill pay service), check, money order, or cash.
Oh and before you say it, I have used my credit card to charge $2.00
(ebay, gotta love it).

> I belong to several initiatory organizations that charge an
initiatory fee. The difference between joining the Masons, Odd
Fellows, Knights of Pythias, Elks, Eagles, et al is that they have
lodge buildings and meet on a regular basis in a live format. Nova
Roma does not, at least not in all places. It would be much easier
for a person to look up Nova Roma in their phone book, under
associations, and call and talk to a local "prefect" (I'm making this
up) and say, "I want to be initiated into Nova Roma." At this point,
you cannot compare Nova Roma to any initiatory organization becasue
Nova Roma is not an initiatory organization. These initiatory
organizations have degrees of membership (i.e., in Masonry; Entered
Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Mastermason), Nova Roma doesn't have a
degree system. Its not a mystery tradition.

Sulla: Actually I disagree with you on this. Our initiation is our
citizenship application process. And I have been in a variety of
organizations that do not have physical structures. I believe we
should utilize this fee in a effort to prevent voter fraud. Please
look at it this way, Nova Roma is trying to be MORE than a not for
profit corporation. We are trying to be a nation. We should take
steps to protect our elections, from those citizens who would defraud
the true voice of the People.

> It doesn't work like that. I spent over six months looking over
the Nova Roma website before I joined. Going through each Gens
listing over and over again. Some people join on a whim. Others
will take a long time. A small fee, is in my opinion, pointless and
will clutter up our system. Reform status perhaps, but discard the
idea of a fee "small fee" for joining it will do more harm than good.

Sulla: I do not see how it will clutter up anything? If they pay
the small application fee they join. No clutter at all. Not only
that but the funds can be utilized by the Censors office to deal with
the possibile costs of conducting our Census.

> With regard to people running for offices, being proven to
be "real" people. I do not have a problem with this. A simple way
of verification would be to have each Provincial Magistrate
(Propraetor or Proconsul) validate those within their Province.

Sulla: Well that is the exact problem we had earlier this year! One
of our magistrates was discovered to have lied about his age when he
joined NR. Then ran for office and got elected.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Verifying memberships
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:53:19 -0000

Salvete Diana et omnes,

No, not in Canada. I think making high quality color copies of money
maybe, but documents no. I have copied documents a lot for bank and
government applications. Banks sometimes photocopy visitors passports
here when cashing travellers cheques.

Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@p...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Does anyone know in which countries it is illegal to make copies of
a
> passport, drivers license or identity card?
> And is it illegal to scan in and email this type of official
document? I
> realize that not everyone has a scanner, but most people at least
know
> someone who does.
>
>]

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Verifying memberships
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:01:37 -0800

Ave,

Same here in Calfornia. I have had to make copies of my drivers licence, SS# card for my employer, financial institution and even the college I attended. So that shouldnt be a problem either.

This might be a much better suggestion then going with the fee. And I think even adding this clause to the Census law would be a good idea as well. That would definately catch those citizens who have more than one citizenship as well. Because we cannot allow the true voice of the People get drowned out by those citizens who are trying to manipulate and abuse the voting system we have in place.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:53 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Verifying memberships

Salvete Diana et omnes,

No, not in Canada. I think making high quality color copies of money
maybe, but documents no. I have copied documents a lot for bank and
government applications. Banks sometimes photocopy visitors passports
here when cashing travellers cheques.

Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@p...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Does anyone know in which countries it is illegal to make copies of
a
> passport, drivers license or identity card?
> And is it illegal to scan in and email this type of official
document? I
> realize that not everyone has a scanner, but most people at least
know
> someone who does.
>
>]

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] VENATIONES 2nd day! Latina Victor!!!!!
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:07:02 +0100

Salvete all,

<Latina and Diana have taken the high speed chariot back to Gallia and are
now in the midst of their victory celebration.
Loud music is playing, goblets are being clinked together, slurping, burping
and loud voices are heard shouting 'Pass me another Poculum cerevisiae!! and
'LATINA VICTOR!!' Latina is seen in the background tying a very tall,
handsome & tattooed Barbarian's arms behind his back with the laces of her
caligae... Then a loud crash is heard as someone who had been dancing on a
table has fallen off and landed on a priceless Greek amphora.....

'QUIET PLEASE!!' Diana shouts. 'I need to finish writing this scroll
(burp)!' Diana begins to write....>

Salve colleagues,

It was with great pleasure that I witnessed the dramatic victory of my
Venatrix, Latina. Although unorthodox in nature, her victory at least was an
exciting one! I'm sure that all Romans who witnessed this exciting event
will not soon forget it!

I was quite surprised to learn that the brave Tiger that Latina so nobly (?)
fought against was actually a she-tiger and left behind an orphaned tiger
cub. The mother tiger should be ashamed of herself, to be employed in such a
dangerous occupation, when she had a little mouth to feed. And so in yet
another fine example of my humanitarianism (or should I say
animalitarianism) I decided to bring the tiger-cub back to Gallia with me,
there to give him home and a family to look after him. But there is a
strange thing about the little cub, he seems to have the same unusually
LARGE teeth that his mother had... Besides the fact that he has been
'marking his territory' on all of my guests, the little furball bit to
pieces the imported crocodile leather seats of my high speed chariot and is
now busy with my limited elephant skin bath towels....

Click the link below to see one of the photo's that were taken at the arena
and a picture of the tiger-cub ;-)
http://www.gensmoravia.org/Latina.htm

Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina

<Diana returns to the Party, lifts a famous Northern Gallia beer called
'Jupiler' to her lips and drinks it down with one gulp. Next she leans over
to Latina and whispers in her ear 'Hey Latina, do you have an extra pair of
laces?'>


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: VENATIONES 2nd day! Latina Victor!!!!!
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:12:49 -0000

Salve Diana,

Nice photos, well done. Your cat is identical to one of mine.

Quintus

> Click the link below to see one of the photo's that were taken at
the arena
> and a picture of the tiger-cub ;-)
> http://www.gensmoravia.org/Latina.htm
>
> Vale!
> Diana Moravia Aventina
>
> <Diana returns to the Party, lifts a famous Northern Gallia beer
called
> 'Jupiler' to her lips and drinks it down with one gulp. Next she
leans over
> to Latina and whispers in her ear 'Hey Latina, do you have an extra
pair of
> laces?'>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Verifying memberships
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:21:03 +0100

Salvete,

Same in France!!

> Ave,
>
> Same here in Calfornia. I have had to make copies of my drivers licence, SS#
> card for my employer, financial institution and even the college I attended.
> So that shouldnt be a problem either.
>

--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus Academiae Thules
Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Futility
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:26:03 -0500 (EST)

Mastr Sp. Postumous Tubertus;

Thank you for your very kind words. I don't suppose that what I have
suggested will come to pass, but were I in the position of forwarding a
set of ideas in an area where a portion of those who are actively
engaged, might be opposed to those ideas, I believe that I would do so
in a gentle manner relying upon the facination of history and the
strength of my Gods, rather than the strength of my own character, to
deliver the intended meassage and meaning, particulrly in a newcomer to
any organization.

By the same token, some of the Christian aspects strongly determine that
one should rely also upon the strength of the word provided by one God,
rather than the personal characteristics of the one who delivers such.

I style myself as a Christain, but I seldom attend church since in my 65
some years, I have not found one where I am comfortable, for exactly the
same reasons as have been demonstrated and evidenced on this list.
Personal acrimony and attacks on another's beliefs.

Both sides historically have horror stories to relate:

-- Christain Crusaders mudering other Christains in Jeruselum because
they "looked like" the pagan peoples, until "the streets ran fetlock
deep in Christain blood."

--A Roman emperor who lit the arena with torchs of blazing Christain
bodies which were crucified and placed around the inside of the arena.

Now those actions were the actions of men, and hey were not the actions
of the Gods of Rome, nor the actions of the one Christain God.

Therefore hopefully, we can put this problem to bed, and hopefully learn
to respect another's beliefs here where a variety of them dwell. Let
our Pagan friends remember and practice the Roman Vitues, let our
Christain friends learn to turn the other cheek and practice the golden
rule, and let those of other faiths and beliefs treasure and follow
those aspects of peaceful determinations within each belief structure.

As you are probably well aware, Master Tubertus, every instance of
acrimony, and attack by a member of a certain faith gives pause to
others of that faith, and makes it difficult for those of that given set
of beliefs to support one another. I am, as I have said, a Christain in
my own way, but when I hear other Christains attack peoples of other
beliefs, I tend to wonder at the ability of those Christain people to
satisfactorily practise the religion that they purport to defend so
actively and agressively. I don't believe I remember that part of the
scriptures, which Jesus, the man or the Christ, as you prefer, indicated
the agressive behavior as a way to gain the respect of others.

In closing, my thanks sir, for your very kind message, and should you or
any others have a response to this message, which I would welcome,
please consider sending it off-list.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] PayPal Launches Multiple Currencies
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:30:54 -0000

Today I received my monthly PayPal newsletter, and in it I found a
piece of news which will certainly facilitate receiving funds from
cives around our international "empire."

PayPal is now set up to send or receive funds in Pounds Sterling,
Euros, or U.S. Dollars. Here's a demo of how it works:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/dmo/demo_mc_1-outside

Now this news pleases me for an additional reason: I've been on a
mission for some time to have a complete dining set (and I have two
very fine silver cochlear spoons), and some of the finest tabernae of
Roman-replications are in Germania. This news makes it much easier to
buy that terra sigillata pottery I have been coveting from the Forum
Traiani!

:-D

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - Quiz 3
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:35:36 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

QUIZ

Who knows most on Ancient Rome?

Very simple: five questions each day, some multiple
choice and some not; some difficult ones and some easy
ones…

Questions covering all aspects of Roma Antiqua:
military, history, literature, …

Send your answers to consulromanus@yahoo.com (don’t
forget to include you Nova Roma name), putting “QUIZ”
in the subject line.

The results will be posted each day on the main list,
so participate as much as you can!

Answers to the previous questions cannot be sent
anymore!

-----

The correct answers of quiz 2:
How many men were there in a legion? (approximately
5,800)

In which month was Julius Caesar killed? (March)

In which year did Claudius invade Britain? (AD 43)

LX means … and XL means …. (60 40)

Ruling from 161 to 180 CE, this adopted son of
Antoninus Pius ... Who was he? (Marcus Aurelius)

-----
Points so far:
Sextus Apollonius Scipio – 10
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus – 10
Julilla Sempronia Magna – 10
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus – 10
Lithia Cassia – 9
Spurius Postumius Tubertus – 8
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix – 8
Titus Labienus Fortunatus – 5
Marcus Octavius Germanicus – 5
Marcus Arminius Maior – 5
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola – 5
Quintus Lanius Paulinus – 4,5
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus – 4
Aulus Octavius Serenus – 4

-----

Here are today's questions:

***************

1. Ruling from 361 to 363 CE, this emperor initiated a
pagan revival in the empire after Christianity had
already been accepted. Who was he?

2. The conflict over which town sparked of the First
Punic War?

3. How do you write 1000 in Roman numerals?

4. How do you write 151 in Roman numerals?

5. The first emperor to embrace Christianity, he moved
the capital of the empire from Rome to what is today
known as Istanbul. In 313, he signed the Edict of
Milan putting an end to Christian persecution. Who was
he?

***************

Take part in the quiz, and see who knows most on
Ancient Rome!!

Valete bene

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fw: [Imperial Rome] the October Horse -- SPOILER ALERT
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:49:11 -0800

Avete Omnes,

I wanted to forward this to the list for those (like me) who will be getting the October Horse (by Colleen McCullough) this month.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Harrsch
To: imperialrome2@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Imperial Rome] the October Horse

An author friend of mine in England, Patricia Hunter (author of "No Other Caesar" - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595157785/qid=1036600686/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/002-2999492-8431247?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) , already read a copy of The October Horse and I'm afraid her review was not very favorable:

"I read "The October Horse" yesterday, and found it boring. Colleen's habit
of cramming too much detail and spurious characters has never been to my
taste. Now there's obscenities in English as well as Latin, the affair of
Caesar and Cleopatra is very low-key, and Calpurnia is hardly mentioned."

"The novel opens with Caesar arriving in Alexandria, wearing his toga
praetexta and laurel crown and being escorted by 24 lictors - yet a petty
Egyptian official doesn't believe who he is!"

On the positive side she writes:

"It [the assassination] and the funeral are
well-written, but then the plot goes steadily downhill. I found myself
urging Brutus to commit suicide just so that I could put the book away."

(I removed a couple of the spoilers.)

Anyway, I enjoy more detail than Patricia and don't mind if the love scenes are not particularly lusty so I still look forward to reading it for myself.

- Libitina

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From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
To: imperialrome2@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: [Imperial Rome] the October Horse

Anyone have any news about "The October Horse" from
Colleen McCullough? It was supposed to be out in this
month.

Arnamentia

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>
>
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> Coming November 25- "Rome at War AD 293-696" by
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>
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>
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Futility
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:56:05 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Mastr Sp. Postumous Tubertus;
>
> Thank you for your very kind words. I don't suppose that what I
have suggested will come to pass, but were I in the position of
forwarding a set of ideas in an area where a portion of those who are
<SNIP!>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucus Audens

*****Nicely written! VERY nicely done!!!!

Publius Tarquitius Rufus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Nerva's last posting re: Pompeia
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:45:28 +0100

Salve Nerva,

Could you please explain what this is all about? Honestly, I find it a bit
in bad taste, but if you are joking around, then I have to say that your
sense of humor is even more warped than mine....

Vale,
Diana
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: gcassiusnerva [mailto:gcassiusnerva@cs.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 6 november 2002 2:59
Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] See Pompeia NAKED!

Ok...she isn't naked. But as long as I have your attention...

Is another major crisis developing in the Back Alley?

Come and see Pompeia reveal why she REALLY resigned.

Excitement! Grandeur! Forget the Republic...This is Drama on an
IMPERIAL SCALE!

Check it out at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/

NR List MODERATORS' Note to New Citizens: The Back
Alley is an unofficial and utterly unmoderated list.
It often contains very foul language and strong
opinions. If you join that list, please consider this
your fair warning of its content. --TLF, RC

I am releasing this very reluctantly. It seems
disrespectful of a former magistrate, to me, whatever
her opinions may be. --RC

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] See Pompeia NAKED!
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:59:11 -0000

Ok...she isn't naked. But as long as I have your attention...

Is another major crisis developing in the Back Alley?

Come and see Pompeia reveal why she REALLY resigned.

Excitement! Grandeur! Forget the Republic...This is Drama on an
IMPERIAL SCALE!

Check it out at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/

NR List MODERATORS' Note to New Citizens: The Back
Alley is an unofficial and utterly unmoderated list.
It often contains very foul language and strong
opinions. If you join that list, please consider this
your fair warning of its content. --TLF, RC

I am releasing this very reluctantly. It seems
disrespectful of a former magistrate, to me, whatever
her opinions may be. --RC

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Futility
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:59:57 -0500 (EST)

Publius Tarquitius Rufus;

And my thanks to you sir, for your very kind words as well. Yours and
others both on this Main List as well as off-list, has been a strong
indication that many of the Citizens of nova Roma feel as I do.

Religion is a delicate subject to approach in an area of mixed beliefs,
at the best of times and under the best of conditions. This medium of
communication qualifies for niether in my humble view. It is a topic
which through the ages has driven men to the most horrible of actons in
all areas:

On the 15th and 16th of July, 1857, Nana Sahib a hindu leade rordered
that more than 100 British Protestant women and chidren should be
"butchered" (this atrocity was caried out by local butchers) at
Cawnpore, Rajputana, 260 miles SE of Delhi. This action was a part of
the Great Indian Mutiny, and essentially driven by the fear that the
Christians would try to mandate Christianity in India over the Hindu and
Muslim beliefs. Following that horror, Colonel James Niell of the East
India Company massacred hundreds of innocent Hindus in retaliation. (1)

I note these horrors for the purpose of driving home the point that the
Roman Religio has no monopoly on reasons to dislike Christianity, but as
I said before these actions were taken by men, men who were driven by
anger,and not men devoted to the peaceful determinations of thier
beliefs. The whole thing arose out of a lack of respect for another's
view of religion, and the constant friction of individual's comments and
actions that really did not reflect thier own religion's lack of
predudice.

I am not sure why anyone on this list would not recognize how easily a
flame could ignite here, with the thousands of historical examples of
such conflict open to us. The Reigio Romano is facinating to me as a
Historical Study, and in the many ways that it parallels my own beliefs
and realizations. I appreciate these people, and while we may not
worship at the same altar, I honor them as friends and as comrades. I
have served with many of different religions and beliefs, under the
seas, and I see no difference in thier bravery, thier desire to carry
out thier duties, and thier willingness to lay thier life on the line
for thier country. What more can anyone ask????

I should hope that we can find enough common ground, here in Nova Roma,
that we can respect each other, for who and what we are, that we can
carry out our own agreed upon rules of respect, and leave the judgement
of those men who have exhibited such disruptive attitudes and horrific
practices in history, to the penalties of those Gods whom they purport
to serve.

In closing, Master Rufus I again thank you for your very kind words and
your appreciation. I am most appreciative of those words and the
sentiment that they carry.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Reference:

(1) "Raj, the Making and Unmaking of British India", Lawrence James, St.
Martin's Press, New York, 1997

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Praetor's Comment: Polytheism v. Monotheism
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:24:48 US/Central

T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD

The argument between G Agorius and most everyone else seems to have come to a
close. However, there are some messages pending that would continue the
thread. I will not approve those messages. First, the conversation has
reached the circular stage, at which participants merely repeat the same
assertions at each other. Second, the pending messages contain yet more
inflammatory language and therefore shall be moderated in the interests of
civility, as mandated by the constitution. Finally, they clearly violate the
section of the list guidelines quoted below.

"In the case of religious discussions, kindly confine your comments regarding
other religions. It is fine to say that you do not agree with their spiritual
path and why, but it is not ok to disrespect others or to embarrass them for
their beliefs. Treat others as you would like to be treated. There are many
people here, of differing religious backgrounds. It is a shame for people to
feel they must leave because their religious path is being attacked in the
forum. It is not only a shame, it is against list guidelines and constitutional
articles on discrimination."

Any further attempts to post opinions on the thread shall be subjected to as
rigorous an application of the above guideline as possible.

Valete

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] NERVA'S POSTING?
From:	"mjk" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:26:34 -0700

Attention Nova Romans,

This posting from Nerva about Pompeia looks a little fishy. It was created yesterday afternoon if you look at the time. Also I got an email from Nerva about the old debates last week and his emails say Gcassius not gcassius. Maybe we better here from him before he's jumped all over. Could be a bad joke or setup problem here.
I emailed him a few minutes ago - he ain't there.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Scriba Praefecti

AFRICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
http://www.geocities.com/africa_septentrionalis/index.html

PAX ROMANA

Scriba Praefecti

AFRICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
http://www.geocities.com/africa_septentrionalis/index.html

PAX ROMANA

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nerva's post #4549
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:38:41 -0000

Honored consuls, praetor, tribunes, and aediles, your attention
please.

I charge Gaius Cassius Nerva with an offense against the public
morality, for the subject line in his post 4549 to this Nova-Roma
mailing list. He has, of his own free will, chosen to post words
which are disrespectful in their deportment of a former magistrate and
well known public person.

His words are patently offensive to public morality, and I ask the
Plebian Aedile, who has charge of the current games, to act in the
interest of the public morality, as charged in our constitution.
Further, I ask the Praetor to stand ready should the Plebian Aedile
refer this charge for Praetorian judgement.

The URL of the post, which I provide in evidence, is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/4549

I am disappointed with the Praetor for permitting the post to
be seen on the list at all, but the Praetor's decision does not
absolve Nerva of responsibility for Nerva's own action.

-- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nerva's post #4549
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:45:56 -0000

Salve,

Please read my previous posting Gnaeus. Wait to here from him first.

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
<equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> Honored consuls, praetor, tribunes, and aediles, your attention
> please.
>
> I charge Gaius Cassius Nerva with an offense against the public
> morality, for the subject line in his post 4549 to this Nova-Roma
> mailing list. He has, of his own free will, chosen to post words
> which are disrespectful in their deportment of a former magistrate
and
> well known public person.
>
> His words are patently offensive to public morality, and I ask the
> Plebian Aedile, who has charge of the current games, to act in the
> interest of the public morality, as charged in our constitution.
> Further, I ask the Praetor to stand ready should the Plebian Aedile
> refer this charge for Praetorian judgement.
>
> The URL of the post, which I provide in evidence, is
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/4549
>
> I am disappointed with the Praetor for permitting the post to
> be seen on the list at all, but the Praetor's decision does not
> absolve Nerva of responsibility for Nerva's own action.
>
> -- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nerva's post #4549
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:54:58 -0000

Salve, Quintus Lanius,

> Please read my previous posting Gnaeus. Wait to here from him first.

If the Praetor determines that it was a forgery, I will immediately
withdraw the charge. Thank you for your concern, I agree that
justice ought not be rushed.

-- Marinus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nerva's post #4549
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:56:58 -0000

Salve Marine,

Thank you!

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
<equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> Salve, Quintus Lanius,
>
> > Please read my previous posting Gnaeus. Wait to here from him
first.
>
> If the Praetor determines that it was a forgery, I will immediately
> withdraw the charge. Thank you for your concern, I agree that
> justice ought not be rushed.
>
> -- Marinus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	6 Nov 2002 20:00:15 -0000

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

In recent posts we have been discussing
ways to prevent duplicate
citizenships. What I would like to
know is what sort of check would you
prefer? (Poll will be open for 10 days)

o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail, Swrivemail, Lycos, etc)

To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10960937

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NERVA'S POSTING?
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:58:35 -0600 (CST)

Salve Quinte Labni,

> This posting from Nerva about Pompeia looks a little fishy. It was
> created yesterday afternoon if you look at the time.

No mystery there. Subscribers who leave the list and return to it are
automatically placed on moderated status, and thier posts will linger
for some time in an approval queue; and, if you look at the message,
there are warning notes from the Praetor and Scriba attached. So
it sat for some time and was then approved.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Candidate for Censor 2756:
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:04:12 -0800

Avete Omnes,

I created this poll because I am torn as to what would be the best course of action. So the decision of this poll will be included in the draft of the upcoming law I intend to promulgate it. Please take 2 minutes to sign into Yahoogroups and state your preference. I am certainly going to listen and follow through with the response.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

In recent posts we have been discussing
ways to prevent duplicate
citizenships. What I would like to
know is what sort of check would you
prefer? (Poll will be open for 10 days)

o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail, Swrivemail, Lycos, etc)

To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:04:59 +0100

Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> Nova-Roma group:

Salvete, moderators.

Would it be possible to turn off the polling function altogether? These
polls appear to be nothing but an attempt to influence public opinion
and cause trouble. I find them nothing but disturbing.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	6 Nov 2002 20:05:36 -0000

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

In recent posts we have been discussing
ways to prevent duplicate citizenships.
What I would like to know is what sort
of check would you prefer? (Poll will
be open for 10 days)

o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail, Swrivemail, Lycos, etc)
o Phone contact (paid for by the central treasury)
o None of these, the system works well enough now.

To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Thanks!


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:07:57 -0800

Ave,

I respectfully disagree and I am specifically using this tool to help shape a law I am currently writing up.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristoffer From
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> Nova-Roma group:

Salvete, moderators.

Would it be possible to turn off the polling function altogether? These
polls appear to be nothing but an attempt to influence public opinion
and cause trouble. I find them nothing but disturbing.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:09:10 -0800

Avete Omnes,

Due to the addition that my colleague suggested I had to delete the last poll and re-create it with addtional choices. Thank you for your understanding.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:05 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

In recent posts we have been discussing
ways to prevent duplicate citizenships.
What I would like to know is what sort
of check would you prefer? (Poll will
be open for 10 days)

o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail, Swrivemail, Lycos, etc)
o Phone contact (paid for by the central treasury)
o None of these, the system works well enough now.

To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10960943

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Candidacy for Tribunus Plebis
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:12:15 +0100

Roman BriefpapierDiana Moravia Aventina walks into the Forum sporting her
new white Versace toga and her specially coifed Roman hairdo. The
predominantly male occupants of the Forum glance up at her and continue with
their conversations.

Diana says: ‘Excuse me. I’d like to announce my candidacy…’ No one pays
attention…

She clears her throat loudly and their head’s turn towards her. She now has
the attention of the mob and says….

"Hi everyone, I, Diana Moravia Aventina come before you today and do humbly
declare my candidacy for the office of Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma for the
year 2756.

A little bit about me: I am 41 years old and thanks to being blessed with
good genes, I look and feel 10 years younger. I joined Nova Roma in October
of 1999, but sometime in 2000, I took a break from Nova Roma for a year and
a half while my personal life was a bit chaotic. I returned last April.
During my absence, I often looked at the Nova Roma website, happy to see it
flourishing. When I returned in April, not only was I happy, I was thrilled
to death to see that Nova Roma had really ceased to be pretty much a
micronation of the US, but had really branched out into the world. I
immediately became active with the Cohors Aediles, helping to organize the
first ever Nova Roma Rally in Europe. As the ‘on-site’ person in Tongeren,
it was a lot of work but I loved it. This is exactly why I had originally
come to Nova Roma: in order to meet with others who were interested in all
things Roman!

I will admit that I do not have any previous experience within the political
life of Nova Roma, but day-by-day, I am learning. My life experience in the
macronational world is vast: I was a Bank Executive for 9 years & have lived
in 5 different countries, on 4 different continents (Africa, Asia, Europe, &
North America). In my life I have been a hippie, a musician, a punk rocker,
a biker chic, a yuppie and a belly dancer. All of which had my parent's head
spinning…. At 41, I have really lived life and now I must say, I am some
sort of combination of all of the above. This has given me a very
empathetic, open-minded and unbiased look at the world around me. I have
friends of all religions, colors and sexual preferences and even though we
may be ‘different’ from each other, inside we all want the same things:
love, a fulfilling job, a warm place to live, happiness and to be treated
fairly in this sometimes uncaring world.

Nova Roma has given me so much spiritually and I wish to thank her by
offering my services. This is why I stand here before you and declare my
candidacy as Tribunus Plebis. I am honest, don’t loose my temper easily, am
never influenced by peer pressure or the need to conform for the sake of
appearances, and able to look at a situation from both sides, which is
imperative in this position. I promise that if I am elected, I will work
very hard for the betterment of Nova Roma.

I humbly ask for your support and certainly hope that another woman will
announce her candidacy for one of the open positions in Nova Roma!"

Valete & warmest regards,

Diana Moravia Aventina

Diana Moravia Aventina

The Campaign-site of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus for Consul 2756 for
Integrity, Accountability & Reform
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cfq_for_consul/index.html

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:18:43 +0100

[>] > I created this poll because I am torn as to what would be the best
course of action. So [>] > the decision of this poll will be included in
the draft of the upcoming law I intend to [>] > promulgate it. Please take
2 minutes to sign into Yahoogroups and state your [>] > preference. I am
certainly going to listen and follow through with the response.

Great idea! Gathering info in this way can't hurt, but can only help. I'll
post my vote asap.

Vale,

Diana
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

In recent posts we have been discussing
ways to prevent duplicate
citizenships. What I would like to
know is what sort of check would you
prefer? (Poll will be open for 10 days)

o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail, Swrivemail,
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:19:58 -0800

Thank you very much.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

[>] > I created this poll because I am torn as to what would be the best
course of action. So [>] > the decision of this poll will be included in
the draft of the upcoming law I intend to [>] > promulgate it. Please take
2 minutes to sign into Yahoogroups and state your [>] > preference. I am
certainly going to listen and follow through with the response.

Great idea! Gathering info in this way can't hurt, but can only help. I'll
post my vote asap.

Vale,

Diana
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

In recent posts we have been discussing
ways to prevent duplicate
citizenships. What I would like to
know is what sort of check would you
prefer? (Poll will be open for 10 days)

o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail, Swrivemail,
Lycos, etc)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nerva's post #4549
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:39:28 +0000 (GMT)

Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix aedilis plebis omnibus
SPD

Since this case, in my opinion, does not disturb the
current Ludi Plebeii, and based on following articles
in our constitution:

IV a 5 a (aedilis' powers): "To issue those edicta
(edicts) necessary to see to the conduct of public
games and other festivals and gatherings, to ensure
order at public religious events, to see to the
maintenance of any real public facilities that the
State should acquire, and to administer the law (such
edicts being binding upon themselves as well as
others);"

IV a 3 b (praetor's powers): "To issue those edicta
(edicts) necessary to engage in those tasks which
advance the mission and function of Nova Roma and to
administer the law (such edicts being binding upon
themselves as well as others);"

I hereby refer this case to the Praetor for further
investigation. This is indeed an attack on public
morality, but even more a serious violation of the
list guidelines.

--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> wrote: > Forwarded for
your information. -- Gn. E. M.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
> <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> Honored consuls, praetor, tribunes, and aediles,
> your attention
> please.
>
> I charge Gaius Cassius Nerva with an offense against
> the public
> morality, for the subject line in his post 4549 to
> this Nova-Roma
> mailing list. He has, of his own free will, chosen
> to post words
> which are disrespectful in their deportment of a
> former magistrate and
> well known public person.
>
> His words are patently offensive to public morality,
> and I ask the
> Plebian Aedile, who has charge of the current games,
> to act in the
> interest of the public morality, as charged in our
> constitution.
> Further, I ask the Praetor to stand ready should the
> Plebian Aedile
> refer this charge for Praetorian judgement.
>
> The URL of the post, which I provide in evidence, is
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/4549
>
> I am disappointed with the Praetor for permitting
> the post to
> be seen on the list at all, but the Praetor's
> decision does not
> absolve Nerva of responsibility for Nerva's own
> action.
>
> -- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> --- End forwarded message ---

Valete bene

=====
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:56:19 +0000

Salve Consul:

Unfortunately, Yahoo is not a user's friendly system, so I can't answer
this or any other poll, and that's why I stick with hotmail because it is
simple.

As to the poll in question, I have no problem with an application fee.
I would have paid it when I applied.

As to banning hotmail and some others. My account is with AOL, but I
use a hotmail address, and not an AOL address, for the reasons above
mentioned, that is simplicity, coherence and clarity. And I like to keep it
that way. I am assuming I am not the only one.

Vale
Galerius Peregrinator.

>From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:04:12 -0800
>
>Avete Omnes,
>
>I created this poll because I am torn as to what would be the best course
>of action. So the decision of this poll will be included in the draft of
>the upcoming law I intend to promulgate it. Please take 2 minutes to sign
>into Yahoogroups and state your preference. I am certainly going to listen
>and follow through with the response.
>
>Vale,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Consul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:00 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
>
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> Nova-Roma group:
>
> In recent posts we have been discussing
> ways to prevent duplicate
> citizenships. What I would like to
> know is what sort of check would you
> prefer? (Poll will be open for 10 days)
>
> o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
> o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail,
>Swrivemail, Lycos, etc)
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10960937
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:01:07 -0800

Ave,

Thank you very much for your opinion I will add it in the final results of the poll, since its not scientific.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

Salve Consul:

Unfortunately, Yahoo is not a user's friendly system, so I can't answer
this or any other poll, and that's why I stick with hotmail because it is
simple.

As to the poll in question, I have no problem with an application fee.
I would have paid it when I applied.

As to banning hotmail and some others. My account is with AOL, but I
use a hotmail address, and not an AOL address, for the reasons above
mentioned, that is simplicity, coherence and clarity. And I like to keep it
that way. I am assuming I am not the only one.

Vale
Galerius Peregrinator.

>From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:04:12 -0800
>
>Avete Omnes,
>
>I created this poll because I am torn as to what would be the best course
>of action. So the decision of this poll will be included in the draft of
>the upcoming law I intend to promulgate it. Please take 2 minutes to sign
>into Yahoogroups and state your preference. I am certainly going to listen
>and follow through with the response.
>
>Vale,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Consul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:00 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
>
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> Nova-Roma group:
>
> In recent posts we have been discussing
> ways to prevent duplicate
> citizenships. What I would like to
> know is what sort of check would you
> prefer? (Poll will be open for 10 days)
>
> o The implementation of the $3.00 application fee.
> o Banning all freebie type email addresses (Yahoo, Hotmail,
>Swrivemail, Lycos, etc)
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10960937
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nerva's post #4549
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:05:37 US/Central

Salvete Gnaee Equiti omnesque

> I charge Gaius Cassius Nerva with an offense against the public
> morality, for the subject line in his post 4549 to this Nova-Roma
> mailing list. He has, of his own free will, chosen to post words
> which are disrespectful in their deportment of a former magistrate and
> well known public person.

I do not believe that C Cassius meant any disrespect to Pompeia Cornelia. To
the best of my knowledge, they are friends, and I took his his message to have
been written in a spirit of playfulness. I will be quite surprised indeed if
my former collega takes offense to the post.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: NERVA'S POSTING?
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:10:43 -0000

Salve Senator,

Thank you for your explaination.

Quintus
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...> wrote:
> Salve Quinte Labni,
>
> > This posting from Nerva about Pompeia looks a little fishy. It was
> > created yesterday afternoon if you look at the time.
>
> No mystery there. Subscribers who leave the list and return to it
are
> automatically placed on moderated status, and thier posts will
linger
> for some time in an approval queue; and, if you look at the message,
> there are warning notes from the Praetor and Scriba attached. So
> it sat for some time and was then approved.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
> Candidate for Censor 2756:
> http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:41:44 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : lithia_cassia <mscommunication@attbi.com>
To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date : 06 November 2002 01:05:19
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants

About the application fee upfront.. if there had been an application
>
>didn't. I learned long ago not to pay for something online unless
>you knew for a FACT that it was solid, genuine, and you actually
>wanted it.
>
A fair comment for two reasons:
1: About the time I joined NR, I also signed up to several international and artificial language groups. They consist of a few presumably kids having great fun inventing the most complicated languages they can. Good for them but not for discussion about real artificial languages and linguistics in general.
2: Groups are either closed or open. If closed, the only way to find anytthing detailed about them is to join. There is no 'read-only' kind of status allowing the potential incomer to put the group on probabtion. Advance payment would be similar to buying a closed book in order to find what it says.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Salve New to list and Nova roma
From:	CSSWarspite@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:56:57 EST

Greetings
I wish to send greetings unto all .As I am new a intro is in order.My
wife and I have both joined to save email space we will use this name for any
postings.I am a 17 year Militry vet serving in the Army ,my wife is a 3 year
navy vet and is a home maker.We both enjoy history and have a major intrest
in Roman history all aspects there of.We would like to make contact with any
Nova-Roman citzens in the Hudson Valley region of New york.
Now I have a question for the those who re enact Legions.Is there anyone
out there who does Pratorion Gaurd? If so where can I get info on this uniqie
formayion.

Marcus Incendium
TitanIa Incendium

AKA
Scott&Mary

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Salve New to list and Nova roma
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:05:12 -0800

Ave,

Welcome to Nova Roma!

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: CSSWarspite@aol.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Salve New to list and Nova roma

Greetings
I wish to send greetings unto all .As I am new a intro is in order.My
wife and I have both joined to save email space we will use this name for any
postings.I am a 17 year Militry vet serving in the Army ,my wife is a 3 year
navy vet and is a home maker.We both enjoy history and have a major intrest
in Roman history all aspects there of.We would like to make contact with any
Nova-Roman citzens in the Hudson Valley region of New york.
Now I have a question for the those who re enact Legions.Is there anyone
out there who does Pratorion Gaurd? If so where can I get info on this uniqie
formayion.

Marcus Incendium
TitanIa Incendium

AKA
Scott&Mary

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] RES: [nrbrasil] Declaration of candidacy for Plebeian Aedile
From:	"Titus Arminius Genialis" <tagenialis@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:34:43 -0200

Salve Lucius Faustus,

Since I was not yet a citizen you gave me a huge support.
And I've been knowing you very well up to now.
I think you really can help Nova Roma to get improved and to get more
citizens.
I am here to tell you good luck and may god bless you.

CITIZENS FROM NOVA ROMA!!
This is THE man.
Lucius Arminius Faustus. Don't forget this name.

IN LUCIUS WE TRUST!

Valete,
Titus A. Genialis

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Lucius Arminius Faustus [mailto:lafaustus@yahoo.com.br]
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 6 de novembro de 2002 07:09
Para: ListaBrasileira; LISTONA
Assunto: [nrbrasil] Declaration of candidacy for Plebeian Aedile

(Holiest muse Polimnia come on my aid, beneath the nine daughters of Iove,
you, wise virgin, presides over the political speech)

Citizens... and I adress to my fellow plebeians, since we are on the forth
day of campaign and there still isn´t any candidates for the magistracy of
PLEBEIAN AEDILE, may mind has changed and I´ll run for it... Someone may can
me ambitious, well, the ambition to serve is a noble desire as well!

This office will not escape the great objective of my work on Nova Roma ;
BRING MORE CITIZENS. And the gate of Nova Roma is the plebs, proud plebs!
The plebs grows on new countries as NR spreads itself, and the most
flourishing gentes on the res Publica are plebeians.

Once again the work of entablishing the Temple of Concordia
(http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/aedes/aedes.html) was the key of my
views of how to help NR. This little sacred space has provided offices and
good cultural introduction to the religio romana to many new citizens on my
province, helping them a lot. We do not need great things, but CONSTANT
things happening to continuous feed the new citizens of compromise.

Fellow plebeians, if I did have merits and work done to the res Publica,
if someone likes my humble and few work, if my poor words have brought some
contribution to the public fora, please, I beg your vote and I will beg
much more. Do not have doubts, the plebeian order is the heart of Nova Roma.

I finish this brief discourse praising the goddesses Concordia, Pax et
Salus. They has supported me on many endeavours and is not without their
auspices I decided to run for Plebeian Aedile. May they, as patronesses of
the Respect and Responsability, shine upon us on that times of illness of
our pietas, endless arguing and exodus of citizens.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,

L. Arminius Faustus

Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.

Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

Se de ócio estou, divirto-me escrevendo,

Entre os defeitos meus, este enumero...

Satira Quarta, Horácio

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Oath of office
From:	"Ianus Minicius Sparsus" <jfernandez50@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:14:02 -0000

Salve cives carissimi Novae Romae:

Ego, Ianus Minicius Sparsus (Juan Fernández) hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
Romae Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Ianus
Minicius Sparsus (Juan Fernández) Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in
omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et publica
et privata vita persequi.

Ego, Ianus Minicius Sparsus (Juan Fernández), Romanam religionem
favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et
numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid
detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego Ianus Minicius Sparsus (Juan
Fernández) IVRO quam optime fungi officium muneris Legati Interni
Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Legati Interni Rebus Provinciae
Hispaniae ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia
quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia Non. Nov. anno MMDCCV ab Vrbe condita.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I, Ianus Minicius Sparsus (Juan Fernández) do hereby solemnly SWEAR
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma. As a magistrate
of Nova Roma, I, Ianus Minicius Sparsus (Juan Fernández) SWEAR to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Ianus Minicius Sparsus (Juan Fernández), SWEAR to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion. I, Ianus Minicius Sparsus (Juan Fernández) SWEAR to
protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma. I, Ianus Minicius
Sparsus (Juan Fernández) further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Legati Interni Provinciae Hispaniae
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I ACCEPT the position of Legati Interni Provinciae Hispaniae and
all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto.

At Hispaniae Provinciae Non. Nov. anno MMDCCV ab Vrbe condita.

Valete,

I. Minicius Sparsus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Juramento Scriba Propraetoris Militarium
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Caius=20Iulius=20Barcinus=20Ciconius?= <xgemella@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:13:52 +0100 (CET)

Salve
Por problemas de correo Pompaelianus no puede enviar su juramento y me ha pedido que lo envie yo, al parecer no puede enviar a yahoo correos, y me lo ha remitido a mi cuenta de hormail.

Ego, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, hoc ipso facto sollemniter IVRO Novae
Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu
agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, Romae deos
deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas
virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.

Ego, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, Romanam religionem favere et
defendere
IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius
status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus IVRO quam optime fungi
officium
muneris SCRIBA Propraetoris Curatore Confabulatorii.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Scriba Propraetoris Militarium ACCIPIO
una cum
iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, (5/11/02)

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Yo, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, por la presente juro solemnemente
enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos
intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, juro
honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y
perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, juro mantener y defender la Religión
Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que
pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, juro proteger y defender la
Constitución
de Nova Roma.

Yo, Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus, juro además cumplir con las
obligaciones y
responsabilidades del cargo de Scriba Propraetoris Militarium, poniendo en
ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

En la provincia Hispana. (5/11/02).

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nerva's post #4549
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:22:32 -0000

T. Labienus Fortunatus writes:

> I do not believe that C Cassius meant any disrespect to Pompeia
> Cornelia. To the best of my knowledge, they are friends, and I
> took his his message to have been written in a spirit of
> playfulness. I will be quite surprised indeed if
> my former collega takes offense to the post.

Respectfully, his intent is secondary to the central point.
I am not acting as Pompeia's guardian in this, and the issue
touches on *public* morality. In as much as she is a Roman
matron, and a patrician Cornelia, it touches on the dignitas
of our res publica. My charge that he has offended against
public morality stands, and I expect redress.

Under the constitution and the mos maiorum there is a clear
recognition that such a thing as public morality exists. I
claim Nerva has offended against it. As the duely elected
Praetor I ask you to act in accordance with your oath of office.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	6 Nov 2002 22:56:11 -0000

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

Should Gaius Cassius Nerva be prosecuted
for offending the public morality?

o Yes. He promised naked pictures and didn't deliver the goods. That is immoral!
o No. So can we get back to the Prostitution in Nova Roma discussion now? Please???

To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10961117

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nerva's post #4549
From:	"Frank & K.C." <shamrock@cros.net>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:59:00 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
<equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
>> Respectfully, his intent is secondary to the central point.
> I am not acting as Pompeia's guardian in this, and the issue
> touches on *public* morality. In as much as she is a Roman
> matron, and a patrician Cornelia, it touches on the dignitas
> of our res publica. My charge that he has offended against
> public morality stands, and I expect redress.
>
> Under the constitution and the mos maiorum there is a clear
> recognition that such a thing as public morality exists. I
> claim Nerva has offended against it. As the duely elected
> Praetor I ask you to act in accordance with your oath of office.
>
> -- Marinus

Salve Gnaeus Equitius Marinas

I think that the most important part of this action , if it is true,
is was the commentary wrirtten on an official Nova Roma site? If it
wasn't then it's none of your business. Sorry if I sound a little
testy but it seems to me that a lot of people here are real quick to
take actions of punishment towards people before they are even
accussed officially of anything. Last week a weak Governor was
unbelievably quick in banishing a new comer to the list. That was
wrong. Wheres the public morality there? We are told that the list is
being closely moderated due to uncivility. We are affraid that new
citizens are going to be chased away by hostility. Yet a certain few
feel that they should be ever viligant towrds "acts of morality".
This latest emergency is nort even part of this site or property yey
you want to "get him". This sounds more and more like the Nation that
I know live in and his attorney general. I read your campaign
platform and even though you touch on the job of festivals and
ebntertainment , you seem to be oh so anxious to play amateur cops
and judges as you state here:

"For the past year I've been an active member of the Cohors Aedilis of
Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus. I am the Scriba
Aedilis Iuridicalis Primus to our current Senior Curule Aedile,
responsible for advising him on matters of law. I was closely involved
in the drafting of Quintilianus' legal edicta covering Investigation
of
Charges & Complaints, Law Enforcement and Prosecution, and Fair
Business Practices. If elected, I will continue to exercise these
edicta, and keep the Curule Aedile's office a proactive magistracy
dedicated to the protection of the peace in the open forums and
marketplaces of our republic."

It appears to me and a handful of others want to roam these streets
looking for anyone to step out of line. I prefer to have fun , joke a
bit and trust people. Paranonia is not a healthy hobby.

If we see this candidate in the Curule Aediles office be prepared for
many more problems like this.
In the meantime I will do something more productive like studying the
Religio Romana and trying to creat a positive foundation for the
priesthood , instead of haunting this list and casting constant
critisims and accusations. When will some of you wake up and do
something productive?

Now go ahead and rip away.

A. Silvanius Virbius Epulone

" Unlike others I stab in the chest "


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nerva's post #4549
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:02:13 EST

In a message dated 11/6/02 11:40:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
equitius_marinus@yahoo.com writes:

> I charge Gaius Cassius Nerva with an offense against the public
> morality, for the subject line in his post 4549 to this Nova-Roma
> mailing list. He has, of his own free will, chosen to post words
> which are disrespectful in their deportment of a former magistrate and
> well known public person

You willing to put up money for your sponso?

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Action & Responsibility (Apologies for faulty posting)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Johnston?= <jamiekjohnston@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:13:21 +0000 (GMT)

I must apologize to everyone for my contentless posts today. I was under the impression that I had written a lengthy and carefully constructed reply to Scaevola's last message on this subject, and posted it once, but what seems somehow to have happened is that I simply posted his original message without my changes. I'm very sorry about this, not least because I'll now have to spend hours writing my message again. :)

Thanks for your patience,

Jamie

www.strategikon.org

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A Hellene's Questions
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:48:51 -0600

Salve Todd

> ...in your estimation, about what percentage of your membership
> worships the Olympian Gods? I refer to the Gods specifically,
> as opposed to the place/household numina also associated with
> the (extraordinarily lovely!) Religio Roma.

Without getting into a discussion about whether or not worshipping the
Gods of Roma is the same as worshipping the Olympian Gods, I really
couldn't tell you. I can only speak about my family with any certainty,
which means that at least two adult Nova Romans and their child do
worship the ancient deities.

> What, then, is your general attitude toward the United States (those
> of you who are American)? If your intention is to one day
> secede/emigrate, from whence derives the passion in this argument?

If you read the constitution, you'll note that we Novoromani enjoy dual
citizenship. We're Roman cives, but we're also citizens of our various
macronations. Considering how the world works, I doubt that Nova Roma
will have the clout necessary to truly claim sovereignty over a patch of
land during my lifetime.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Avoiding Trolls/Verifying Applicants
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:51:27 EST

In a message dated 11/6/2002 9:43:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
alexious@earthlink.net writes:

> Sulla: Actually I disagree with you on this. Our initiation is our
> citizenship application process. And I have been in a variety of
> organizations that do not have physical structures. I believe we
> should utilize this fee in a effort to prevent voter fraud. Please
> look at it this way, Nova Roma is trying to be MORE than a not for
> profit corporation. We are trying to be a nation. We should take
> steps to protect our elections, from those citizens who would defraud
> the true voice of the People.

Then your definition of initiation and mine are different.

We can prevent voter fraud by requiring provincial magistrates to verify
those located within their regions. Once a person has been verified as a
"legitimate" person (regardless of their e-mail address, hotmail or
otherwise) they should have all the rights of any other citizen. And if
there is a fee for joining that fee should be collected by the provincial
magistrate, in my opinion.

G. Modius Athanasius

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