Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Event idea
From:	CSSWarspite@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:41:37 EST

Salve
Ok I have a site in Rhinbeck New York,was wondering if anyone would come
to a weekend event?And what activeties they would like to see and do.Also
what people have to offer for demo to others??All things considered it could
be fun and a good learning exprince.

Marcus Ambrosius Incendium


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: New poll for Nova-Roma-Give It Up!
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:49:50 EST

To the sponsor of the "New Poll for Nova-Roma" from F. Galerius Aurelianus
Secundus. Salvete.

Although I am sure that your motives were of the most honorable intention,
dear citizen, it has become obvious that neither the Pontifex Maximus nor
most of the pontiffs support it. Since I have seen no sign that the
Conscript Fathers nor the Tribunes are backing it, I would suggest that you
honorably withdraw it from further scrutiny by the populace. I have not even
checked the website to discover who you are as this poll appears a purely
private interest. Please forgive me if I have offended as I did not mean to
do so. May the Gods, known and unknown, favor you and your family. Valete.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:52:01 EST

Well said, Decimus Iunius Silanus.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] THE BOTTOM LINE-753 B.C. to 395 A.D.
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:50:55 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the SPQNR. Salvete, citizens.

There have been many references on the main list to historical persons and
events that occurred beyond our historical pale (Irish reference) in support
of actions, remarks, and discussions that have resulted in a large amount of
sound and fury signifying nothing (oops, another out of place reference).
Based on the Loeb Classical Library alone, I find many reference and
quotations that would satisfy the most loquacious citizen. We do not need to
make references to Hitler, Mussolini, former Confederate generals, or the
Bard to make a point. We already know that we are among the most intelligent
people that we know;otherwise why else would we be Nova Romans?
Finally, to those citizens who are inclined to argue religion, please
remember that if we accept all the religious beliefs and philosophies that
existed in the Roman world (including those outside the
Republic/Principate/Empire) were valid within our constitutional timeframe,
then any negative commentary is both uncivil and against the Constitution.
Perhaps those who wish to be the new Lucretius or Zeno should sponsor a
Symposium in the Greek manner in the Chat Room some evening. May the Gods,
known and unknown, grant you grace and good fortune. Valete.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma]: Chatroom
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:00:21 +0100 (MET)

Hey, if someone wants to join me, feel free!

Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma]: Chatroom
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:00:49 -0800

On my way.

Vale

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Subject: [Nova-Roma]: Chatroom


Hey, if someone wants to join me, feel free!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	9 Nov 2002 04:33:21 -0000

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

How do you see the various forces that
have and continue to drive the Universe?

o Totally physical, chemical, scientific, no spiritual force
o Polytheist with personal gods who interact with our species
o Polytheistic pantheist with impersonal gods, forces
o One spiritual driving force (Monotheist
o Pantheist (Universe is God)
o Monotheist - one god but manifested in various aspects called gods
o Atheist (no god, gods)
o Agnostic (maybe there is something but I don't know)
o Many other forms of life out there with ones that are far superior to us (Alien Civilizations) that may have come as gods


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - Quiz 5
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:41:14 -0500

1. What does the phrase "sic transit gloria mundi"
mean? ANS: "so passes away the glory of the world"
c. Thus passes the glory of the world

2. Who was NOT a member of the Second Triumverate?

c. Cicero

3. Who was the last Emperor of The Western Roman
Empire according to Gibbon? Romulus Agustulus

4. Who wrote a famous play about Julius Caesar?
a. Shakespeare


5. Whom did Marcus Antonius (1st cent. BC) fall in
love with? Cleopatra


***************

Take part in the quiz, and see who knows most on
Ancient Rome!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] [PLEASE READ THIS]English-Latin Dictionary
From:	BiggPoppaPump420@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:16:25 EST

If anyone has a GOOD Online English-Latin Dictionary please send me it cause
I could really use it. Thanks.

Gaius Cassius Marius


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:14:35 -0500

Salve,

You can't even join the "Boy Scouts" in the USA without paying an application fee of seven dollars. Lets get real people ! Pay your taxes and lets build Nova Roma. I can not think of the numerous membership groups that I have been a member of or thought about joining that does not have a membership fee or application fee. PTA, Moose, Elks, Eagles, Rotary, Knights of Columbus, political club. All most every group. To become a naturalized citizen of most nations I bet there is a fee. To get a USA passport costs $65-$80.00

Vale, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Quaestor and for Curator Differium
Fortuna Favet Fortibus

----- Original Message -----
From: Titus Arminius Genialis
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:25 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RES: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?


Salvete,

I agree completely with L. Faustus and I think most of you do too.
It is simply RIDICULOUS asking non-citizens to pay for getting their
citizenship.
Our need is to GET NEW CITIZENS, and not to make it MORE DIFFICULT for them
to be novaromans.

Valete,

Titus Arminius Genialis.
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Lucius Arminius Faustus [mailto:lafaustus@yahoo.com.br]
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 7 de novembro de 2002 07:38
Para: LISTONA
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?



Salve,

I don´t usually annoy you with my opinion for nothing, but sometimes I
really don´t believe in what I read on that list.

PAY just for JOIN?

Well, we do have problems to the payment of the taxes from the old and
compreensive citizens, we would put this height for the newbies also?

And seems that there is people that still forget that NR is INTERNATIONAL.
If sending US$12 is a problem (I´d say 'a pain in the XXX' ) imagine just
US$3 !!!

Why do we prevent Trolls to enter? I really don´t have the definitive
answer, but paying for join is against the Law... of good sense!

Vale bene in pacem deorum,



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 05:30:14 +0000

I think we are entitled to know who is coming out with these polls.
Please do us the courtesy, and let us know who you are. Furthermore, I
don't think any poll should be answered without the knowledge of who is
conducting it.



>From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
>Date: 9 Nov 2002 04:33:21 -0000
>
>
>Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
>Nova-Roma group:
>
>How do you see the various forces that
>have and continue to drive the Universe?
>
> o Totally physical, chemical, scientific, no spiritual force
> o Polytheist with personal gods who interact with our species
> o Polytheistic pantheist with impersonal gods, forces
> o One spiritual driving force (Monotheist
> o Pantheist (Universe is God)
> o Monotheist - one god but manifested in various aspects called gods
> o Atheist (no god, gods)
> o Agnostic (maybe there is something but I don't know)
> o Many other forms of life out there with ones that are far superior to
>us (Alien Civilizations) that may have come as gods
>
>
>To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10963396
>
>Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
>not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
>web site listed above.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 05:36:57 -0000

If you want to know who makes a poll, it is as simple as going to the
poll page and looking at the poll there. The name of the creator of
the poll is visible for all to see.

Gaius Cassius Nerva





--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Galerius Peregrinator"
<gaiusgalerius@h...> wrote:
> I think we are entitled to know who is coming out with these
polls.
> Please do us the courtesy, and let us know who you are. Furthermore, I
> don't think any poll should be answered without the knowledge of who is
> conducting it.
>
>
>
> >From: Nova-Roma@y... Reply-To: Nova-Roma@y...
> >To: Nova-Roma@y... Subject: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
> >Date: 9 Nov 2002 04:33:21 -0000
> >
> >
> >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> >Nova-Roma group:
> >
> >How do you see the various forces that
> >have and continue to drive the Universe?
> >
> > o Totally physical, chemical, scientific, no spiritual force
> > o Polytheist with personal gods who interact with our species
> > o Polytheistic pantheist with impersonal gods, forces
> > o One spiritual driving force (Monotheist
> > o Pantheist (Universe is God)
> > o Monotheist - one god but manifested in various aspects called gods
> > o Atheist (no god, gods)
> > o Agnostic (maybe there is something but I don't know)
> > o Many other forms of life out there with ones that are far
superior to
> >us (Alien Civilizations) that may have come as gods
> >
> >
> >To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10963396
> >
> >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> >web site listed above.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy - Rogator
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:18:55 -0800 (PST)

Salvete, Q. Cassi Calve et A. Hirti Helvetice

Thank you for the warm welcome. And thanks to Diana
Moravia Aventina for her kind words. I wish the best
of success in the elections to all of you! :)

It's so nice to know there will be no hanging chads in
the Cista. One less thing to worry about. ::innocent
look::

---
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Guarding Against Voter Fraud
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:38:12 -0800 (PST)

It looks to me that there are two issues here:

1. Validation of identity for new citizens
2. Discouraging troublemakers from applying for
citizenship

My belief is that identity validation is the more
urgent issue, and I advocate the use of verified
telephone or postal mail contact by the provincial
governors or their scribae to handle this matter.
Banning free email addresses inconveniences those
citizens whose free email addresses are valid and who
might have no other way of acquiring an email address.


To me, the idea of an application fee falls more into
the 'deterrence of troublemakers' category, and I am
less convinced of its need. On the other hand, I do
agree with the idea that people who have to pay for
something tend to value it more than those who receive
the same thing free of charge. I could accept an
application fee as long as it is imposed strictly to
defray the cost of mailing a printed application or
making a long-distance telephone call to verify
identity--especially if this used to be the practice
before the online application was implemented.

I, however, am very glad for the online application.
It made things much easier for me.

---
Renata Corva


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining? A response to my Galeria cousin.
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:41:05 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Tb. Galerius Paulinus. Salve, cousin.

I am in agreement that there should be a nominal fee to become a citizen but
I believe that the new citizen should get something for their money. I would
suggest that 'The Eagle' be made into a bi-monthly (or, at least, quarterly)
e-newsletter, that citizens get a 5% discount on merchandise purchased from
the marcellum, and a nifty decoder ring (oops, that just slipped out). What
I meant was a membership card. When one joins any organization such as you
outlined in your missive, one gets more than just a membership card and a
hearty handclasp. I am willing to support your candidacy for the Curator
Differium & a Questorship in the hopes that you would be willing to help
organize a sound plan for membership fees with the assistance of the consuls,
censors, and Conscript Fathers.
In order to support such a plan, I will pledge with my hand and heart to the
Gods of our Gens, $50.00, to be presented on the Kalends of Janus' month.
May the Gods favor your endeavors, cousin. Vale.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma; new poll should be axed.
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:46:20 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Galerius Peregrinator. Salve,
cousin.

I am in total agreement with you about these new polls. While this may be
another effort by GAT to continue his previous threads or even a new citizen
with a poll-axe to grind, they should put forward their name and the reason
for this new poll (which I find as taxing as the earlier ones). As I
suggested to some other citizens, if you want to find out the opinions of the
citizens on a particular matter, schedule a symposium in the Chat Room for
those that are interested. Vale.


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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:37:04 +0100

Salvete,

There should be one more choice on this poll:

o "There are too many words with more than 3 syllables and I haven't had my
coffee yet, am too tired to look for my dictionary so I don't understand the
poll, so this is my vote..... Maybe I'll change it later after the cobwebs
are out of my head and my contact lens unfog".

:-) Valete,
Diana
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2002 5:33
Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma



Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

How do you see the various forces that
have and continue to drive the Universe?

o Totally physical, chemical, scientific, no spiritual force
o Polytheist with personal gods who interact with our species
o Polytheistic pantheist with impersonal gods, forces
o One spiritual driving force (Monotheist
o Pantheist (Universe is God)
o Monotheist - one god but manifested in various aspects called gods
o Atheist (no god, gods)
o Agnostic (maybe there is something but I don't know)
o Many other forms of life out there with ones that are far superior to
us (Alien Civilizations) that may have come as gods


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/surveys?id=10963396

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy - Rogator
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:35:02 +0100 (CET)

Salve, Renata Corva,

--- "Chantal G. Whittington" wrote:
<snip>
> It's so nice to know there will be no hanging chads
> in
> the Cista. One less thing to worry about.
> ::innocent
> look::

What makes you so sure about that *ggg*?!? No,
seriously, of course not!

Bene vale,

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:58:25 +0100

Salvete Quirites,


> You can't even join the "Boy Scouts" in the USA without paying an application
> fee of seven dollars. Lets get real people ! Pay your taxes and lets build
> Nova Roma. I can not think of the numerous membership groups that I have been
> a member of or thought about joining that does not have a membership fee or
> application fee. PTA, Moose, Elks, Eagles, Rotary, Knights of Columbus,
> political club. All most every group. To become a naturalized citizen of most
> nations I bet there is a fee. To get a USA passport costs $65-$80.00

This exactly the mistake we should avoid. We cannot ask a fee to get in as long
as we do not get any substantial recognition, in other words not before Nova
Roma is recognized as a serious and accurate Roman heritage preservation and
promotion organization. We are far to be this. 86% of our already citizens are
not paying the taxes, which means only one thing: even seen from inside, Nova
Roma has not reached a level of recognition high enough for pretending for a
fee. I let you imagine what would be the percentage when NR is seen from
outside!!
For all of this, it is my belief that asking for a fee at this moment is
dangerous for the future development of Nova Roma. You could btw read my
platform about the need of recognition.
But recognition is not the only issue here. There is really a lot of people to
whom 3$ means a lot. In some countries, this is even what you get to live off
for one day. Those countries, directed linked to Roman heritage, are mainly
from South America, North Africa and Middle East. The people there will never
pay 3$ for Nova Roma. And so are we going to shut the door to those people by
telling them "sorry you are too poor to be Roman?". Are we going to close our
eyes on some very important countries, like Tunisia, Lybia and Egypt, that have
tremendous Roman cultural remains. Shall we say good bye to the splendors of
Leptis Magna?
There is only one answer to this: no.
The only thing, those people will be able to give, shall we ask for something,
is time and labor.
This is the reason why I suggested a small compulsory task in entering Nova
Roma, like a translation task, local information gathering, fliers distribution
etc...We could imagine so much as there is so much to be done!
I would like to add that I have of course nothing against our Honored Consul
who is kindly preparing the law. However, I think that the points I mentionned
are serious enough to be taken in account.

Respectfully,

--
Sextus Apollonius Scipio for Quaestor

My program at http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Quaestorship/
Come and Read!!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:25:37 EST

In a message dated 11/8/2002 11:33:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:

> o Totally physical, chemical, scientific, no spiritual force
> o Polytheist with personal gods who interact with our species
> o Polytheistic pantheist with impersonal gods, forces
> o One spiritual driving force (Monotheist
> o Pantheist (Universe is God)
> o Monotheist - one god but manifested in various aspects called gods
> o Atheist (no god, gods)
> o Agnostic (maybe there is something but I don't know)
> o Many other forms of life out there with ones that are far superior to us
> (Alien Civilizations) that may have come as gods

This is incomplete....

It doesn't take into account Henotheism, Panentheism, Duotheism and simple
references like immanent and transcendent.

G. Modius Athanasius
Flamen Pomonalis


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:33:13 EST

In a message dated 11/9/2002 12:15:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
spqr753@msn.com writes:

> You can't even join the "Boy Scouts" in the USA without paying an
> application fee of seven dollars. Lets get real people ! Pay your taxes and
> lets build Nova Roma. I can not think of the numerous membership groups
> that I have been a member of or thought about joining that does not have a
> membership fee or application fee. PTA, Moose, Elks, Eagles, Rotary,
> Knights of Columbus, political club. All most every group. To become a
> naturalized citizen of most nations I bet there is a fee. To get a USA
> passport costs $65-$80.00

When people feel there is going to be a return on their investment they will
pay, and gladly. When people do not feel there will be a return on their
investment they will not pay, very simple.

I have echoed in the past that the key to increased participation within Nova
Roma would be the creation of an official local group. This has to be done
in order to increase participation and involvement. The focus of Nova Roma
should be to get people together...then they will gladly pay their taxes...in
my opinion.

G. Modius Athanasius


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining? A response to my Galeria cousin.
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:34:31 -0500

Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

Cousin: Thank you for your support! I am willing to work with others to bring about a fair and sound membership program. In response to my post a good point was made that 86% of NR citizens do not pay the tax. I would suggest we start there. Lets pick a date that the tax becomes mandatory for CURRENT members with lots of notice. Maybe you get to vote if you tax is paid? or some other thing that would encourage more to pay it.

Do you think there should also be a hard copy of the that the Eagle or just E-mail?

Vale,
Your cousin
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Quaestor and Curator Differium

----- Original Message -----
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 1:41 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining? A response to my Galeria cousin.

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Tb. Galerius Paulinus. Salve, cousin.

I am in agreement that there should be a nominal fee to become a citizen but
I believe that the new citizen should get something for their money. I would
suggest that 'The Eagle' be made into a bi-monthly (or, at least, quarterly)
e-newsletter, that citizens get a 5% discount on merchandise purchased from
the marcellum, and a nifty decoder ring (oops, that just slipped out). What
I meant was a membership card. When one joins any organization such as you
outlined in your missive, one gets more than just a membership card and a
hearty handclasp. I am willing to support your candidacy for the Curator
Differium & a Questorship in the hopes that you would be willing to help
organize a sound plan for membership fees with the assistance of the consuls,
censors, and Conscript Fathers.
In order to support such a plan, I will pledge with my hand and heart to the
Gods of our Gens, $50.00, to be presented on the Kalends of Janus' month.
May the Gods favor your endeavors, cousin. Vale.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:39:39 +0100

Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> Nova-Roma group:

I wrote, earlier:
> Would it be possible to turn off the polling function
> altogether? These polls appear to be nothing but an
> attempt to influence public opinion and cause trouble.
> I find them nothing but disturbing.

Salvete, moderators.

I'd like to repeat my earlier inquiry, perhaps allowing for elected
magistrates to perform polls with the permission of the moderators.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Membership Fraud
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:20:36 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites.

Since my name has been mentioned in the late discussion about
membership fraud, I guess it is time to express my opinion on this
issue.

First of all, let me say that it is true that, one year ago, I
"uncovered" a case of membership fraud here in Nova Roma. That, I must
say, was more of a mistake than a voluntary fraud, and it was
satisfactorily solved.

It is true that we, as an organization, have no way to protect
ourselves to a *hypothetical* malicious membership fraud. That is a
serious issue, because we base our organization on votes.

However, I think that an "admission fee" is NOT the solution to this
problem. After all, we have no reason to believe that membership fraud
is an extended practice, and we would create a problem far more serious
than the one we are trying to solve. Let me please explain myself.

When I first encountered Nova Roma, I did not know much about it. There
were many things I simply did not understand. If Nova Roma had asked me
to pay a fee for joining, I probably would not have joined (I get asked
for money *everyday* on the Internet). This comes from someone who has
voluntarily paid taxes to the Nova Roma treasury, and who has put
further money for the growth of the Hispania province. And I am a
student (i.e., I am not rich).

I think that an "entrance fee" would probably reduce the number of
prospective citizens. It would hinder Nova Roma's growth; it could even
mean Nova Roma's death in the long term, since, without the constant
"new blood" we get from new citizens, Nova Roma would probably become a
reduced, inbred group where new ideas would never appear. And, besides,
an "entrance fee" would NOT make "membership fraud" impossible; it
would simply make it more expensive.

So, how can we avoid the problems created by a *hypothetical*
"membership fraud" problem? I think that the answer lies in our
provincial and local administrations.

I, for instance, have personally met a high percentage of the citizens
of my province (Hispania) in several occasions. I know the faces behind
the names of many Hispanici, so to say :-). I *know* that those names
are not false.

So I guess that the answer is to create a *national census* based on a
cooperation between the censores and the provincial administrations.
And we need more "real life" experiences here in Nova Roma. That would
solve this hypothetical problem, and it would grant us many more
advantages besides that.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fee for joining?
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:27:19 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/9/2002 12:15:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> spqr753@m... writes:
Salvete omnes,

Although I don't want to go down the road about taxes again I just
wanted to remind everyone about how hard it was to get people to want
to pay 20.00 or more US for a membership fee. The fee was decided to
vary from country to country and 12.00 US was hard enough to
establish. In other words - forget it.

Regards

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


>
> > You can't even join the "Boy Scouts" in the USA without paying an

> > that I have been a member of or thought about joining that does
not have a
> > membership fee or application fee. PTA, Moose, Elks, Eagles,
Rotary,
> > Knights of Columbus, political club. All most every group. To
become a
> > naturalized citizen of most nations I bet there is a fee. To get
a USA
> > passport costs $65-$80.00
>
> When people feel there is going to be a return on their investment
they will
> pay, and gladly. When people do not feel there will be a return on
their
> investment they will not pay, very simple.
>

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:53:48 +0000

>From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@mailservice.ms>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
>Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:58:25 +0100
>

>But recognition is not the only issue here. There is really a lot of people
>to
>whom 3$ means a lot.


If the application fee idea comes into effect, I don't think that it
will be $3.00 uniform fee accross the board. The 3 dollars are for the US
where we pay $12.00 tax. So, as an example, the proposed Latin tax being
$3.00, that would make the latin application fee relative to the 3 we would
pay in the US, commensurate with their cost of living.

Am I correct Consul?

Galerius Peregrinator.



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Membership Fraud
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:58:23 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites, et salve honoured Tribunus

--- Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
<snip>
> First of all, let me say that it is true that, one
> year ago, I
> "uncovered" a case of membership fraud here in Nova
> Roma.

Thank you for that clarification, Astur.

> However, I think that an "admission fee" is NOT the
> solution to this
> problem.

I am pretty sure, that most people here now agree with
that. It definitely is NOT an option.

> So, how can we avoid the problems created by a
> *hypothetical*
> "membership fraud" problem? I think that the answer
> lies in our
> provincial and local administrations.

I could not agree more! As I already pointed out
during this topic, I think, it would be best to
implement a two step application procedure involving
the provincial authorities.

Also, a regular census would be nice, but, as was
pointed out already, this creates a lot of
difficulties (at the moment).

Now, Quirites, we have seriously discussed this issue
of possible voting fraud here. The problem mainly is,
that no-one knows, how big this a problem actually is.
I therefore pledge to you, my fellow citizens, that -
if I get elected as Rogator by you - I will do all I
can to seriously investigate possible fraud. Together
with my fellow candidate Q. Cassius Calvus I have
already started to discuss in private, how this could
be done within the power of the Rogators without
violating each citizen's privacy.

Valete bene,

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:58:30 +0000

>From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
>Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:33:13 EST
>
>When people feel there is going to be a return on their investment they
>will
>pay, and gladly. When people do not feel there will be a return on their
>investment they will not pay, very simple.



Then they are in the wrong place because Novaroma is still a project.

Galerius Peregrinator.
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Frauds and Trolls
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:13:46 -0800 (PST)

Salve Quirites,

There is no "magic bullet" that will kill frauds and
trolls. There are some things that can be done to make
it harder to defraud the voting system or post
trollish posts, but nothing will eliminate them
alltogather.

Trolls are a nusance, but IMHO not a major problem at
this time. Our forum is open to all, citizen or not,
so there will allways be a posibility that a few
trolls will sneak through. Tightening up the Forum to
make it easier to keep Trolls out will IMHO place too
much power in the hands of the Praetors. It introduces
the posibility that posts from another faction will be
silenced as Trollish, that legitimate subjects will be
censored because they are unpopular. This is an area
where the cure can be worse than the illness.

Fraud is another matter. It's a threat to the Res
Publica. Action needs to be taken to lessen this
problem. I say Lessen rather than eliminate because
someone intent on defrauding the system can allways
find a way. Our goal should be to insure that it's
allmost impossible to affect the outcome of an
election.

Right now it would be absurdly simple to set up a
fraud that would have a major impact on next years
elections. All I would have to do is get 30 free email
accounts from assorted sites, and after Taxes are paid
start applying for bogus citizenship with these
addresses. As long as I spread the applications out
over several months instead of trying to run them
through all at once, the chances of getting caught
would be low to non-existant.

I Would go into next years elections controlling 31
Rural, non-head count votes counting my legitimate
vote, over 10% of the votes in a typical Nova Roman
election. If I was careful to insure that bogus
citizens were all Plebs I would have a far higher
percentage of the votes that elect the Tribunes.

In the unlikely event that I was caught, the only
thing that could be done is a Censorial Nota for
morality because right now there are no Leges
regarding multiple citizenships or defrauding the Res
Publica by voting each of the alter egos.

This situation is clearly unacceptable. We need a Lex
covering Voter fraud, however we also need to take the
time to study the problem and carefully look at the
consequances that go with the proposed soulations.


=====
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"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:35:07 EST

In a message dated 11/9/2002 9:59:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com writes:

> Then they are in the wrong place because Novaroma is still a project.
>
> Galerius Peregrinator.

I do not think I fully understand the meaning of your statement.

G. Modius Athanasius


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - photo 4
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:35:20 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

A new and exciting contest, offered by Aedilis Plebis
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix:


PHOTO CONTEST

A very simple contest: 10 photos of Roman-era
monuments to recognize.


10 days long one photo will be posted each day. The
photo will contain a whole monument, or a very large
part of it.


You can participate by sending an email to
consulromanus@yahoo.com (put “PHOTO” in the subject
line), with your Nova Roma name and the correct
answer.


Today's new photo can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/consulromanus/photo.html


Different kind of answers are possible, as shown in
this example:
A photo of the Pantheon can be described as:
Pantheon
Pantheon, Rome
Temple of Agrippa
Pantheon, Italy
Agrippa’s temple (Pantheon)
…
These are all correct answers; just make clear that
you recognize the monument on the photo!


All correct answers will be put together each day, and
my totally innocent two year old neighbour will pick
out a winner at random.

Everyone’s results will be presented each day in a
hit-parade.


*********
Today's winner:
Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Congratulations!!


All others who have also submitted a correct answer:
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Jullila Sempronia Magna
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Spurius Postumius Tubertus
Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili
Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus
Diana Moravia Aventina
Aeternia


The correct answer:
The Flavian Amphitheatre, or Coliseum (Colosseum) in
Rome.

*********

So participate as much as possible to become the best
and greatest “monument-specialist”!


Valete bene



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Local Group Idea...
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:45:04 EST

Silvanius:

My idea would facilitate several local groups within a geographical region.
Such as one in Columbus, Toledo (Ohio), Cleveland, etc... Until there was a
need we could cover a larger geographical area, but slowly form more local
groups as the need may arise. Local activity is vital, in my opinion, to the
survival of any organization.

I have seen several people compare Nova Roma to fraternal orders and such.
Nova Roma is not structured anything like a fraternal order. All of the
fraternal lodges that I belong to have local entities that are a part of a
Grand Lodge and/or a Supreme Lodge. As it stands Nova Roma is an
International Organization, and a Regional Organization. It is NOT a local
organization.

One of the goals of Nova Roma is the reconstruction of the Religio. HOW can
Nova Roma support and encourage the belief in the Religio without a local
presence in peoples lives -- this baffles me.

I plan to talk with our Propraetor, Marcus Bianchius Antonius, about
creating a structure within our Province to facilitate local groups forming
within the Province. We need to have local groups get together and discuss,
and live as New Romans. AND we need to have group rituals for those New
Romans interested in the Religio.

Drop me a personal e-mail, I would like to get together some time.

In Fellowship:

G. Modius Athanasius
Legate - Lacus Magni
Flamen Pomonalis

In a message dated 11/7/2002 11:04:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shamrock@cros.net writes:

>
> Yours is a very good idea, practical, would be great for new
> membership , easy to promote , and a very tangeble commodity .
> I have a hard time getting much interest built up about NR , even
> among friends that are voracious readers of Roman history. They
> believe that our goals are just unreachable as long as this type of
> forum is the main contact point. It breeds the kind of obnoxious
> behavior that is so often in play here. Just imagine a chance to
> trade ideas , work on projects, and to be able to debate without fear
> of condemnation or worse----- CENSORSHIP. How forceful would some of
> our magestrates be to our faces ,I wonder? I've got an idea! Why dont
> we meet in say....... Lima or Sydney? A new civilian that I have
> never met has joined my gens -Servius Silvanis Hilario- and he lives
> in the Dayton area. He was briefly put on my Gens list but dissapered
> as he will not be allowed citizenship until after the voting.
> (Paranoia again), like I'm stuffing new members for votes! Anyway ,
> He was excited when I told him that our Gens meets regularly in NW
> Ohio. I'm sure he would be interested in your ideas. With a
> Propraetor like Marcus Bianchius Antonius , who is one of the most
> amniable and progressive magistrates that I've had the pleasure to
> talk to, ( have never heard him say the words- banish, censor, shun
> or prosecute)we could easily start the practice at least unoffically
> here in Ohio. Maybe start with once a month and rotate the locations
> or heck keep it as central as possible. As much as I hate bringing in
> the SCA as an example, their structure is built on your very
> suggestion. It worked very well for them. Nova Roma would explode
> with new members. The problem with that, however, is our resident
> nay sayers would whine that #1- too many people are coming in to
> properly approve, #2- They don't share the same jack boot mentality
> of law and punishment,#3 -Those that ride their computers 24/7 would
> fail miserably when dealing with something REAL. #4- The most
> damaging of all,their long distance virtual diatribes and imperious
> opinons would mean little to people that enjoy real in your face co-
> operation and comraderie. ( You all know who you are). Its funny even
> though I love the foundation and premise of Nova Roma the actual
> functioning and dependance of this forum as a conduit is way too
> close to a LARP or internet role playing game. Ideas like yours would
> rapidly bring in funds for that land that everyone talks
> about.Getting back to your original statement, Athanasios, I say lets
> get going on it offically, or un!
>
> Vale,
>
> A. Silvanius Virbius Epulone
>



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - Quiz 6
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:47:48 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

QUIZ

Who knows most on Ancient Rome?


Very simple: five questions each day, some multiple
choice and some not; some difficult ones and some easy
ones…

Questions covering all aspects of Roma Antiqua:
military, history, literature, …

Send your answers to consulromanus@yahoo.com (don’t
forget to include you Nova Roma name), putting “QUIZ”
in the subject line.

The results will be posted each day on the main list,
so participate as much as you can!

Answers to the previous questions cannot be sent
anymore!

-----

The correct answers of quiz 5:
1. What does the phrase "sic transit gloria mundi"
mean? (Thus passes the glory of the world)

2. Who was NOT a member of the Second Triumverate?
(Cicero)

3. Who was the last Emperor of The Western Roman
Empire according to Gibbon? (Romulus Augustulus)

4. Who wrote a famous play about Julius Caesar?
(Shakespeare)

5. Whom did Mark Antony fall in love with? (Cleopatra)

-----
Points so far:
Sextus Apollonius Scipio – 25
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus – 25
Julilla Sempronia Magna – 25
Spurius Postumius Tubertus – 23
Titus Labienus Fortunatus – 20
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus – 20
Marcus Octavius Germanicus – 19
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix – 18
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus – 15
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus – 13
Marcus Arminius Maior – 10
Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus – 10
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola – 10
Quintus Lanius Paulinus – 9,5
Lithia Cassia – 9
Vivius Ambrosius Caesariensis – 5
Aulus Octavius Serenus – 4
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia – 3


-----


Here are today's questions:

***************

1. What does DXIV equal?

2. What is ‘lorica segmentata’?
- a type of armour
- a tortoise
- a type of catapult
- a spear

3. This emperor, was blamed for a fire that destroyed
half of Rome. To cover for himself, he blamed the
Christians, having many put to death, including the
apostles Peter and Paul. Who was he?

4. What is a ‘ballista’?

5. What is a ‘pilum’ (Roman military, not our Nova
Roma newsletter)?


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebei quiz - BONUS QUESTION
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:54:16 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

Here is the first bonus question in our Ludi Plebei
Quiz!

Everyone who answers this correct will receive 5
points.

The person who gives the correct answer first will
receive 8 points!

Answer this question for a first step to gain
immortality ;-)

***************
THE QUESTION:

Give the two possible meanings for 'cuneus' in
realtion to the Roman military.

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Good luck everyone!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebei quiz - BONUS QUESTION
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:01:49 -0000

Cuneus - irregular calvalry unit, wedge formation

Quintus


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
<consulromanus@y...> wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> Here is the first bonus question in our Ludi Plebei
> Quiz!
>
> Everyone who answers this correct will receive 5
> points.
>
> The person who gives the correct answer first will
> receive 8 points!
>
> Answer this question for a first step to gain
> immortality ;-)
>
> ***************
> THE QUESTION:
>
> Give the two possible meanings for 'cuneus' in
> realtion to the Roman military.
>
> ***************
>
> Good luck everyone!
>
> Valete bene
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebei quiz - BONUS QUESTION
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:04:34 -0000

Also Usually composed of foreign troops, usually had their own type
of weapons and native leaders

Quintus Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
<consulromanus@y...> wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> Here is the first bonus question in our Ludi Plebei
> Quiz!
>
> Everyone who answers this correct will receive 5
> points.
>
> The person who gives the correct answer first will
> receive 8 points!
>
> Answer this question for a first step to gain
> immortality ;-)
>
> ***************
> THE QUESTION:
>
> Give the two possible meanings for 'cuneus' in
> realtion to the Roman military.
>
> ***************
>
> Good luck everyone!
>
> Valete bene
>
> =====
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> ----------
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Quiz
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:06:36 -0000

Sorry omnes and QUIZ Master,

I moved to quick and hit the wrong address button

Quintus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Local Group Idea...
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:13:52 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites,

I Do like the idea of setting up local groups, but we
also have to think of long term problems that can
arise if this isn't done carefully. Before the
governers start setting up these local organizations
it would be desirable to have a Lex that authorizes
Nova Roma to charter local groups. This will insure
that they can share Nova Roma's NPC status instead of
each group having to apply sepratly for NPC status or
face paying local taxes.

A Lex will also insure that we don't have dozens of
organizational models and a future fight over
"Municipa Reform" like the one we had this year over
"Gens Reform"

As a starting point I suggest that Nova Roma allow
local groups to have one of two types of organization,
one based on a Roman Municipia, or one based on a
Greek Polis. Also that a minimum size be set for
membership in a Municipia or a Polis of say 5
citizens. We have a lot of one man Gens allready, we
don't need to add one man municipiae to the mix.

This is a case where a little work in advance can
prevent a lot of future problems.

--- AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com wrote:
> Silvanius:
>
> My idea would facilitate several local groups within
> a geographical region.
> Such as one in Columbus, Toledo (Ohio), Cleveland,
> etc... Until there was a
> need we could cover a larger geographical area, but
> slowly form more local
> groups as the need may arise. Local activity is
> vital, in my opinion, to the
> survival of any organization.
>
> I have seen several people compare Nova Roma to
> fraternal orders and such.
> Nova Roma is not structured anything like a
> fraternal order. All of the
> fraternal lodges that I belong to have local
> entities that are a part of a
> Grand Lodge and/or a Supreme Lodge. As it stands
> Nova Roma is an
> International Organization, and a Regional
> Organization. It is NOT a local
> organization.
>
> One of the goals of Nova Roma is the reconstruction
> of the Religio. HOW can
> Nova Roma support and encourage the belief in the
> Religio without a local
> presence in peoples lives -- this baffles me.
>
> I plan to talk with our Propraetor, Marcus
> Bianchius Antonius, about
> creating a structure within our Province to
> facilitate local groups forming
> within the Province. We need to have local groups
> get together and discuss,
> and live as New Romans. AND we need to have group
> rituals for those New
> Romans interested in the Religio.
>
> Drop me a personal e-mail, I would like to get
> together some time.
>
> In Fellowship:
>
> G. Modius Athanasius
> Legate - Lacus Magni
> Flamen Pomonalis
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2002 11:04:17 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> shamrock@cros.net writes:
>
> >
> > Yours is a very good idea, practical, would be
> great for new
> > membership , easy to promote , and a very tangeble
> commodity .
> > I have a hard time getting much interest built up
> about NR , even
> > among friends that are voracious readers of Roman
> history. They
> > believe that our goals are just unreachable as
> long as this type of
> > forum is the main contact point. It breeds the
> kind of obnoxious
> > behavior that is so often in play here. Just
> imagine a chance to
> > trade ideas , work on projects, and to be able to
> debate without fear
> > of condemnation or worse----- CENSORSHIP. How
> forceful would some of
> > our magestrates be to our faces ,I wonder? I've
> got an idea! Why dont
> > we meet in say....... Lima or Sydney? A new
> civilian that I have
> > never met has joined my gens -Servius Silvanis
> Hilario- and he lives
> > in the Dayton area. He was briefly put on my Gens
> list but dissapered
> > as he will not be allowed citizenship until after
> the voting.
> > (Paranoia again), like I'm stuffing new members
> for votes! Anyway ,
> > He was excited when I told him that our Gens meets
> regularly in NW
> > Ohio. I'm sure he would be interested in your
> ideas. With a
> > Propraetor like Marcus Bianchius Antonius , who is
> one of the most
> > amniable and progressive magistrates that I've had
> the pleasure to
> > talk to, ( have never heard him say the words-
> banish, censor, shun
> > or prosecute)we could easily start the practice at
> least unoffically
> > here in Ohio. Maybe start with once a month and
> rotate the locations
> > or heck keep it as central as possible. As much as
> I hate bringing in
> > the SCA as an example, their structure is built on
> your very
> > suggestion. It worked very well for them. Nova
> Roma would explode
> > with new members. The problem with that, however,
> is our resident
> > nay sayers would whine that #1- too many people
> are coming in to
> > properly approve, #2- They don't share the same
> jack boot mentality
> > of law and punishment,#3 -Those that ride their
> computers 24/7 would
> > fail miserably when dealing with something REAL.
> #4- The most
> > damaging of all,their long distance virtual
> diatribes and imperious
> > opinons would mean little to people that enjoy
> real in your face co-
> > operation and comraderie. ( You all know who you
> are). Its funny even
> > though I love the foundation and premise of Nova
> Roma the actual
> > functioning and dependance of this forum as a
> conduit is way too
> > close to a LARP or internet role playing game.
> Ideas like yours would
> > rapidly bring in funds for that land that everyone
> talks
> > about.Getting back to your original statement,
> Athanasios, I say lets
> > get going on it offically, or un!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > A. Silvanius Virbius Epulone
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Philosophy Lesson
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:29:30 -0000

Fellow Nova Romans!

A lesson I recieved from my dear sister this morning. I felt I must
share it with you!

We are obsessed with money!...my proposition....
Quintus



Subject: Money



Money

It can buy you a House ... but not a Home.

It can buy you a Bed ... but not Sleep.

It can buy you a Clock ... but not Time.

It can buy you a Book ... but not Knowledge.

It can buy you a Position ... but not Respect.

It can buy you Medicine ... but not Health.

It can buy you Blood ... but not Life.

It can buy you Sex ... but not Love.

So you see money isn't everything. And it often causes pain and
suffering.
I tell you all this because ... I am your friend, and as your friend
I want
to take away your pain and suffering ... So send me all your
money ... And I
will suffer for you.
CASH ONLY PLEASE.


Quintus Lanius Paulinus - Excuse? Third cup of cappacino!

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Local Group Idea...
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:40:31 EST

In a message dated 11/9/2002 11:14:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lsicinius@yahoo.com writes:

> I Do like the idea of setting up local groups, but we
> also have to think of long term problems that can
> arise if this isn't done carefully. Before the
> governers start setting up these local organizations
> it would be desirable to have a Lex that authorizes
> Nova Roma to charter local groups. This will insure
> that they can share Nova Roma's NPC status instead of
> each group having to apply sepratly for NPC status or
> face paying local taxes.
>
> A Lex will also insure that we don't have dozens of
> organizational models and a future fight over
> "Municipa Reform" like the one we had this year over
> "Gens Reform"
>
> As a starting point I suggest that Nova Roma allow
> local groups to have one of two types of organization,
> one based on a Roman Municipia, or one based on a
> Greek Polis. Also that a minimum size be set for
> membership in a Municipia or a Polis of say 5
> citizens. We have a lot of one man Gens allready, we
> don't need to add one man municipiae to the mix.
>
> This is a case where a little work in advance can
> prevent a lot of future problems.

I agree 100%. It is nice to see someone taking an interest in the concept of
local groups. I much prefer talking about something that will help our
Republic, than some of the discussion that has been going on as of late.

Perhaps a discussion can be started off list by a few of the interested
parties, who could then send a recommendation to the senate? I am very much
interested in having local groups, and I especially like your Polis idea.

G. Modius Athanasius


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Membership Fraud
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:17:08 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "A. Hirtius Helveticus" <hirtius75ch@y...>
wrote:
> if I get elected as Rogator by you - I will do all I
> can to seriously investigate possible fraud. Together
> with my fellow candidate Q. Cassius Calvus I have
> already started to discuss in private, how this could
> be done within the power of the Rogators without
> violating each citizen's privacy.


A citizens privacy in voting is a non-negotiable. Any future
legislation involving the detection, investigation, and trial of
cases of voter fraud must protect the right of privacy in voting and
must contain wording to the effect that no rogator may be compelled
to or volunterally reveal how any given voter code(s) actually
voted. If 200 votes are cast and 199 are fraudulant the mantaining
privacy of that one innocent persons vote trumps the fraud.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Election Reminder
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:20:02 -0600 (CST)

Salvete Cives Omnes,

Less than three days remain to declare your candidacy for magistracies
in 2756; the deadline is 12 November, 12.01AM Roman Time (11 November,
5.01 pm US/Central).

We currently have sufficient candidates to fill all positions except:

Plebeian Aedile (have one, need two)
Quaestor (have six, need eight)
Rogator (have three, need four)

I invite other citizens considering serving the Republic to start in
one of these positions.

The current list of candidates can be found at:

http://www.novaroma.org/election/2755/

Candidates, please check to see that you are on that list! If you are
not listed there you will not be mentioned in the edict convening the
Comitia and not on the ballot, so please, check now.

Vale,
M. Octavius Germanicus,
Consul.


--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Candidate for Censor 2756:
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	9 Nov 2002 20:19:02 -0000

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Nova-Roma group:

Are tired of polls?

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o Depends on whether I get free food as part of the focus group
o What's a poll?
o Do polls exist?
o The creator of this poll has WAY too much free time on his hands


To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Thanks!

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Diana for Tribuna
From:	serenusnova@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:31:55 EST

Salve mi Norice,


>A Octavius Serenus wrote:
>> Our Plebeian interests won't be served better than by <snip>

>Gnaeus Octavius Noricus respondit:

>Salve Brother!
>Since when do we Octavii have "Plebeian interests"? ;-)
>(Absolutely nothing against you, Diana! On the contrary!)

>Optime valete!
>Gnaeus Octavius Noricus


Gods forbid I was not mixing the good name of the Octavi with the plebs ;-) I
was merely refering to the plebeian interests of NR as a whole : Isn'it our
duty, as a family of imperial blood, to take care of our less fortunate
comrades ?

Serenus

PS : This post is supposed to be ironical (please don't shower me with
outraged mail !)


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: [PLEASE READ THIS]English-Latin Dictionary
From:	"Octavia Agoria" <dawn_r_jackson@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:02:50 -0000

I have found beneficent use from one available from Adam McLean's
Alchemy Site -- I believe the url is http://www.levity.com/alchemy
but please do not quote me on that url - (pre-coffee myself this
morning) -- his parsing program has come in rather handy albeit if it
is not quite *online* -- you must download the dictionary components
and run them from your own pc.

If my url is not correct a simple web search with Adam's name and
alchemy as key terms will bring it up I am sure and then a sub search
within the site will help you find the program he offers freely.

HTH

Octavia


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., BiggPoppaPump420@a... wrote:
> If anyone has a GOOD Online English-Latin Dictionary please send me
it cause
> I could really use it. Thanks.
>
> Gaius Cassius Marius
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Qart_Hadas=E1t?=
From:	"Antonio Ferrer" <Carthaginensis@ono.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:28:50 +0100

QART HADAsÁT



(Imágenes del museo arqueológico de Cartagena)

Tras la muerte de Amilcar en el 229 a.C. su hijo Asdrúbal toma el mando de las tropas cartaginesas en la península, en los años siguientes adopta una política de pactos con los pueblos autóctonos, se casa con una de las princesas nativas y pacta con los mastienos la sumisión de Mastia al imperio cartaginés fundando Qart Hadasát que junto con Akra Leuke (entre Alicante y Elche) se convierten en las dos urbes más importantes de los cartagineses.
Qart Hadasát (Cartagena) llega a contar con 40.000 habitantes, la población se basa en artesanos, menestrales, hombres de mar y 2000 trabajadores especializados que gozaban del rango de hombres libres, la ciudad cuenta con instituciones, magistrados, sufetas y un gobernador que jerarquiza al resto de asentamientos cartagineses, Asdrúbal elige Qart Hadasát como lugar donde se celebran periódicas asambleas reuniendo a todos los jefes autóctonos y emisarios de Roma, le dota de unos astilleros y gracias a la explotación de la plata se acuña las dragmas de plata con la que se asegura la fidelidad de las tropas, también existen recursos naturales (minas, sal, esparto) que se utilizan para el mantenimiento de la flota.


Descripción de Qart Hadasát por Polibio (X.10.6)


El casco de la ciudad es cóncavo; en su parte meridional presenta un acceso más plano desde el mar. Unas columnas ocupan el terreno restante, dos de ellas muy montañosas y escarpadas, y tres no tan elevadas, pero abruptas y difíciles de escalar. La colina más alta esta al este de la ciudad y se precipita en el mar; en su cima se levanta un templo a Asclepios. Hay otra colina frente a esta, y de disposición similar, en la cual se edificaron magníficos palacios reales, construidos, según se dice, por Asdrúbal, quien aspiraba a un poder monárquico. Las otras elevaciones del terreno, simplemente unos altozanos, rodean la parte septentrional de la ciudad. De estos tres, el orientado hacia el este se llama el de Hefesto, el que viene a continuación el de Altes, personaje que, al parecer, obtuvo honores divinos por haber descubierto unas minas de plata; el tercero de los altonazos lleva el nombre de Cronos. Se ha abierto un cauce artificial entre el estanque y las aguas más próximas, para facilitar el trabajo a los que se ocupan en cosas de la mar. Por encima de este canal que corta el brazo de tierra que separa el lago y el mar se ha tendido un puente para que carros y acémilas puedan pasar por aquí, desde el interior de la región, los suministros necesarios.........Inicialmente el perímetro de la ciudad media no más de veinte estadios, aunque sé muy bien que no faltan quienes han hablado de cuarenta, pero no es verdad. Lo afirmamos no de oídas, sino porque lo hemos examinado personalmente y con atención.



(ASDRÚBAL BARCA Fundador de Qart Hadasát )

LA BATALLA DE QART HADASÁT

Durante el invierno del año 209 a.C. el general Publio Cornelio Escipión, conoció por relatos de los pescadores de Tarraco del uso que daban los cartagineses del estero, una laguna que rodeaba toda la zona noroeste de la ciudad, utilizando la marea y una serie de compuertas para vaciar este estero y abastecerse de pescado.

Una vez a las puertas de Qart Hadasát, a finales de Febrero o principios de Marzo, una mañana, inicio el asalto a la ciudad. Los ataques por tierra fueron encarnizados, contándose muchas bajas en los extraordinarii, y demostrándose lo inexpugnable de la ciudad, tras varios intentos, Escipión mandó replegar a sus hombres. Por la tarde aprovechando la bajada de la marea Escipión mandó a quinientos legionarios a vadear la laguna, mientras en diversos puntos de la ciudad se iniciaban ataques simultáneos para distraer a los cartagineses. Sin apenas dificultades, los quinientos legionarios entraron en la ciudad, abriendo sus puertas y sembrando el terror y el desconcierto en los defensores. La inexpugnable ciudad cartaginesa había caído. Escipión arengaba a sus hombres diciéndoles:

-Toda Hispania será vuestra al adueñarnos de estas murallas.-

Era el final del imperio Bárcida y de Carthago en Hispania.





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?B?UUFSVCBIQURBisFUIA==?=
From:	"Andoni Ferrer" <Carthaginensis@ono.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:43:46 -0000

QART HADAŠÁT

Tras la muerte de Amilcar en el 229 a.C. su hijo Asdrúbal toma el
mando de las tropas cartaginesas en la península, en los años
siguientes adopta una política de pactos con los pueblos autóctonos,
se casa con una de las princesas nativas y pacta con los mastienos
la sumisión de Mastia al imperio cartaginés fundando Qart Hadašát
que junto con Akra Leuke (entre Alicante y Elche) se convierten en
las dos urbes más importantes de los cartagineses.
Qart Hadašát (Cartagena) llega a contar con 40.000 habitantes, la
población se basa en artesanos, menestrales, hombres de mar y 2000
trabajadores especializados que gozaban del rango de hombres libres,
la ciudad cuenta con instituciones, magistrados, sufetas y un
gobernador que jerarquiza al resto de asentamientos cartagineses,
Asdrúbal elige Qart Hadašát como lugar donde se celebran periódicas
asambleas reuniendo a todos los jefes autóctonos y emisarios de
Roma, le dota de unos astilleros y gracias a la explotación de la
plata se acuña las dragmas de plata con la que se asegura la
fidelidad de las tropas, también existen recursos naturales (minas,
sal, esparto) que se utilizan para el mantenimiento de la flota.


Descripción de Qart Hadašát por Polibio (X.10.6)


El casco de la ciudad es cóncavo; en su parte meridional presenta un
acceso más plano desde el mar. Unas columnas ocupan el terreno
restante, dos de ellas muy montañosas y escarpadas, y tres no tan
elevadas, pero abruptas y difíciles de escalar. La colina más alta
esta al este de la ciudad y se precipita en el mar; en su cima se
levanta un templo a Asclepios. Hay otra colina frente a esta, y de
disposición similar, en la cual se edificaron magníficos palacios
reales, construidos, según se dice, por Asdrúbal, quien aspiraba a
un poder monárquico. Las otras elevaciones del terreno, simplemente
unos altozanos, rodean la parte septentrional de la ciudad. De estos
tres, el orientado hacia el este se llama el de Hefesto, el que
viene a continuación el de Altes, personaje que, al parecer, obtuvo
honores divinos por haber descubierto unas minas de plata; el
tercero de los altonazos lleva el nombre de Cronos. Se ha abierto un
cauce artificial entre el estanque y las aguas más próximas, para
facilitar el trabajo a los que se ocupan en cosas de la mar. Por
encima de este canal que corta el brazo de tierra que separa el lago
y el mar se ha tendido un puente para que carros y acémilas puedan
pasar por aquí, desde el interior de la región, los suministros
necesarios.........Inicialmente el perímetro de la ciudad media no
más de veinte estadios, aunque sé muy bien que no faltan quienes han
hablado de cuarenta, pero no es verdad. Lo afirmamos no de oídas,
sino porque lo hemos examinado personalmente y con atención.




LA BATALLA DE QART HADAŠÁT

Durante el invierno del año 209 a.C. el general Publio Cornelio
Escipión, conoció por relatos de los pescadores de Tarraco del uso
que daban los cartagineses del estero, una laguna que rodeaba toda
la zona noroeste de la ciudad, utilizando la marea y una serie de
compuertas para vaciar este estero y abastecerse de pescado.

Una vez a las puertas de Qart Hadašát, a finales de Febrero o
principios de Marzo, una mañana, inicio el asalto a la ciudad. Los
ataques por tierra fueron encarnizados, contándose muchas bajas en
los extraordinarii, y demostrándose lo inexpugnable de la ciudad,
tras varios intentos, Escipión mandó replegar a sus hombres. Por la
tarde aprovechando la bajada de la marea Escipión mandó a quinientos
legionarios a vadear la laguna, mientras en diversos puntos de la
ciudad se iniciaban ataques simultáneos para distraer a los
cartagineses. Sin apenas dificultades, los quinientos legionarios
entraron en la ciudad, abriendo sus puertas y sembrando el terror y
el desconcierto en los defensores. La inexpugnable ciudad
cartaginesa había caído. Escipión arengaba a sus hombres
diciéndoles:

-Toda Hispania será vuestra al adueñarnos de estas murallas.-

Era el final del imperio Bárcida y de Carthago en Hispania.





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?B?UUFSVCBIQURBisFU?=
From:	"Andoni Ferrer" <Carthaginensis@ono.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:10:14 -0000

QART HADAŠÁT

After the death of Hamilcar in the 229 B.C. their son Hasdrubal
takes the control of the Carthaginian troops in the peninsula, in
the following years a politics of pacts adopts with the
autochthonous towns, he marries with one of the native princesses
and it makes a pact with the mastiens the submission from Mastia to
the Carthaginian empire founding Qart Hadašát that together with
Akra Leuke (between Alicante and Elche) they become the two more
important cities of the Carthaginians.
Qart Hadašát (Cartagena) it ends up having 40.000 inhabitants,
the
population is based on artisans, artisans, sea men and 2000
specialized workers that enjoyed the range of free men, the city has
institutions, magistrates, sufets and a governor that stratify the
society in the rest of Carthaginian establishments, Hasdrubal
chooses Qart Hadašát like place where they have periodic
assemblies
gathering all the autochthonous bosses and emissaries from Rome, it
endows him of some navy and thanks to the exploitation of the silver
it is coined the silver drachmas with which makes sure the fidelity
of the troops, natural resources they also exist (mines, salt,
esparto) that are used for the maintenance of the fleet.


Description of Qart Hadašát by Polibius (X.10.6)


The helmet of the city is concave; in their southern part it
presents a plane access from the sea. Some columns not occupy the
remaining land, very mountainous and sharp two of them, and three so
high, but abrupt and difficult of climbing. The highest hill this to
the east of the city and it throws in the sea; in their summit a
temple rises to Asclepios. There is another hill in front of this,
and of similar disposition, in which magnificent real, built palaces
were built, as one says, for Hasdrubal who aspired to a monarchic
power. The other elevations of the land, simply some hills,
surrounds the northern part of the city. Of these three, the one
guided toward the east calls you that of Hefesto, the one that comes
that of Altes next, character that, apparently, he obtained divine
honors to have discovered some silver mines; the third of the hills
take the name of Chronos. An artificial bed has opened up between
the pond and the next waters, to facilitate the work to those that
are in charge of in things of the sea. Above this channel that cuts
the earth arm that separates the lake and the sea has couched a
bridge so that cars and horses can happen here, from the interior of
the region, the necessary supplies......... Initially the perimeter
of the half city not more than twenty stadiums, although I know very
well that they don't lack who they have spoken of forty, but it is
not true. We not affirm it of having heard, but because we have
examined it personally and with attention.





THE BATTLE DE QART HADAŠÁT

During the winter of the year 209 B.C. the general Publius Cornelius
Escipio, knew for the fishermen's of Tarraco of the use stories that
gave the Carthaginians of the tideland, a lagoon that surrounded the
whole northwest area of the city, using the tide and a series of
floodgates to empty this tideland and to be supplied of fish.

Once to the doors of Qart Hadašát, at the end of February or
principles of March, one morning, beginning the assault to the city.
The attacks for earth were fleshed, being many drops in the
extraordinarii, and being demonstrated the unassailable of the city,
after several intents, Escipio ordered to refold their men. In the
afternoon taking advantage of the slope of the tide Escipio sent to
five hundred legionaries to ford the lagoon, while in diverse points
of the city simultaneous attacks began to distract the
Carthaginians. Without hardly difficulties, the five hundred
legionaries entered in the city, opening their doors and sowing the
terror and the bewilderment in the defenders. The unassailable
Carthaginian city had fallen. Escipio harangued its men saying
them:

- All Hispania will be your when appropriating of these walls. -

It was the end of the empire of the Barca's and of Carthago in
Hispania.

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining?
From:	Rob Sullivan <rysullivan@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:19:40 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

The Project Management Institute defines a project as

"A TEMPORARY endeavor undertaken to create a UNIQUE product or
service."

Although Nova Romans are a unique group, I don't see how the term
project applies to the glorious endeavor that is Nova Roma.

Titus Licinius Crassus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: THE BOTTOM LINE-753 B.C. to 395 A.D.
From:	"Numerius Cassius Niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:30:32 -0000

Salve, F. Galeri Aureliane Secunde!

I must humbly disagree with your sentiments. While I do agree that
our citizens are among the best and the brightest :), I feel that
restricting all discussion to sources contemporaneous to 753 BCE to
395 CE is unnecessarily limiting. For example, who else has written
an examination of the Roman Republic as erudite and profound as
Machiavelli in his "Discourses on Livy"? I feel that certain
discussions concerning present day macronational politics are
warranted. Considering that the government of the United States was
explicitly constructed after the model of the Roman Republic, a
discussion of its successes and shortcomings in that area would be a
proper topic for discussion in this forum. As long as general
decorum is observed, of course.
Again, while I do agree with you that certain philosophical
discussions would be better served by the Sodalitates (I also feel
that the Sodalitates are under-used in general), I would be
vehemently against a ban of all philosophical discussions in the
forum. I mean, I find most discussions about the Roman military to
be as interesting as a lecture on the quadratic equation, but I
would not ask them to keep such discussions strictly in the
Sodalitas Militarium. I believe constructive discussions about
philosophy and religion are acceptable in this forum as long as
decorum is observed.
I would admonish you to remember that 'the unexamined life is not
worth living!' :)

Cura ut valeas,

N. Cassius Niger

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: [PLEASE READ THIS]English-Latin Dictionary
From:	"Numerius Cassius Niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:35:43 -0000

Salve!

Frankly, I feel you can't get any better than the "What do you want
to know today?" page by the U. of Kentucky.
<http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/lexindex.html>
Check it out!

Vale,
N. Cassius Niger

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me it cause
> I could really use it. Thanks.
>
> Gaius Cassius Marius
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:01:33 +0000 (GMT)

I could actually answer more than one of these. Either-ore dualism is the curse of modern thinking!
Vibius

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Date : 09 November 2002 04:33:21
Subject : [Nova-Roma] New poll for Nova-Roma

>Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
>Nova-Roma group:
>
>How do you see the various forces that
>have and continue to drive the Universe?
>



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Election Reminder
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:07:58 -0800

Avete Omnes,

However please do not let this post discourage you from running for the other offices in Nova Roma such as Censor, Consul, Praetor, Tribune of the Plebs or many of the other offices that are currently up for grabs.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
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From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Election Reminder



Salvete Cives Omnes,

Less than three days remain to declare your candidacy for magistracies
in 2756; the deadline is 12 November, 12.01AM Roman Time (11 November,
5.01 pm US/Central).

We currently have sufficient candidates to fill all positions except:

Plebeian Aedile (have one, need two)
Quaestor (have six, need eight)
Rogator (have three, need four)

I invite other citizens considering serving the Republic to start in
one of these positions.

The current list of candidates can be found at:

http://www.novaroma.org/election/2755/

Candidates, please check to see that you are on that list! If you are
not listed there you will not be mentioned in the edict convening the
Comitia and not on the ballot, so please, check now.

Vale,
M. Octavius Germanicus,
Consul.


--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Candidate for Censor 2756:
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - Quiz 6
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:14:56 -0500

Here are today's questions:

***************

1. What does DXIV equal? ANS 514

2. What is ‘lorica segmentata’?
ANS - a type of armour


3. This emperor, was blamed for a fire that destroyed
half of Rome. To cover for himself, he blamed the
Christians, having many put to death, including the
apostles Peter and Paul. Who was he? ANS NERO

4. What is a ‘ballista’? ANS Roman Artillery/ catapult

5. What is a ‘pilum’ (Roman military, not our Nova ANS Roman throwing spear Roma newsletter)?


***************

NOTE: watch out, a bonus question is coming up soon!
Answering the bonus question correct will give 5
points; the first one to answer the bonus question
correct will receive 8 points!


Take part in the quiz, and see who knows most on
Ancient Rome!!


Valete bene



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Serapio for Quaestor! http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/Serapio_for_Quaestor.html
Scipio for Quaestor! http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Quaestorship

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining? A response to my Galeria cousin.
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:31:07 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to his cousin Tb. Galerius Paulinus.
Salve.

I believe that since almost all members of Nova Roma joined via the Internet,
the Eagle should be an e-newsletter. Also, as many of our members are from
countries that do not share our language or affluence, their fee for annual
membership should be greatly reduced to an equivalent with the majority of
their fee going to their local provincial assembly for the benefit of that
province. Any funds going to the US should be very nominal. The
translators, may the Gods bless them, could translate the Eagle and add any
appropriate announcements. The next quaestors will have their work cut out
for themselves.
If any citizens require a paper copy of the Eagle, they should pay a slightly
higher rate to defer the cost of paper, ink cartridges, and postage. Again,
this extra fee should go to the local assembly if it is in a non-English
province. You have my full support should you require any assistance as a
lictor, scriba, or accensi. May the Gods grant you good fortune, cousin.
Vale.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining? A response to my Galeria cousin.
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:52:32 -0500

Salve, Cousin

I WILL need a great deal of help and again thank you for your offer. I have been looking at online software looks like I can get some good E-mail newsletter software for under $500.00. You are right, the newsletter will have to translated and we will have to burden the translators with even more work. Do you think we should sent the newsletter to Universities and Colleges with Classical, Latin and other like department to increase awareness of Nova Roma. What other groups should we contact High schools?
So many question to ask and answer in so short of time.

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From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 6:32 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fee for joining? A response to my Galeria cousin.

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to his cousin Tb. Galerius Paulinus.
Salve.

I believe that since almost all members of Nova Roma joined via the Internet,
the Eagle should be an e-newsletter. Also, as many of our members are from
countries that do not share our language or affluence, their fee for annual
membership should be greatly reduced to an equivalent with the majority of
their fee going to their local provincial assembly for the benefit of that
province. Any funds going to the US should be very nominal. The
translators, may the Gods bless them, could translate the Eagle and add any
appropriate announcements. The next quaestors will have their work cut out
for themselves.
If any citizens require a paper copy of the Eagle, they should pay a slightly
higher rate to defer the cost of paper, ink cartridges, and postage. Again,
this extra fee should go to the local assembly if it is in a non-English
province. You have my full support should you require any assistance as a
lictor, scriba, or accensi. May the Gods grant you good fortune, cousin.
Vale.


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