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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Mosaics of Ancient Rome
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:23:57 EST

Salvete omnes,

For some reason I am not aware of, my file was not attached the first time.
Hopefully it will come through this time.

Vale,
Gaius Lanius Falco

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:20:03 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites.

--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com escribió:

<<snipped>>

> I certainly felt he deserved it, he saw it as a sop so he wouldn't
> complain much while the liberals dismantled his organization.
> While there might be some truth in that, I think he was just
> lashing out at his former friends that had abandoned him in his hour
> of need.

Once again, Maximus, you are putting your own words into Vedius's
mouth. Given that he can't (won't) reply, I would like you to stop
doing it.

Anyway, my own impression of Vedius's departure is quite different from
your own. I do remember a few discussions on the Senate list, and
Vedius's invectices where not precisely aimed at "the liberals".
In fact, I can remember a few of Vedius's messages, and I think that he
was not exactly agreeing with you at all times :-).

Anyway, the best thing we can do is to leave Vedius in peace. I
sincerely hope that he is a happy man. That's the kind of thing I would
like to hear about Vedius. No more "feelings" about Vedius's
impressions, please.

> I offer the voters a conservative choice. Though my "enemies" claim
> I'm against change, I am not. I am against rapid change and poorly
> unwarranted change. I want our changes to be good ones, not ones
> done just for change sakes, to modernize Rome. We become just like
> any other nation when that happens, and do we want that?

Here you are, playing the "traditionalist card" once again.

Just a few thoughts:

1.- Rapid change? The gens reform has been discussed for *years*. That
doesn't sound me like a rush for change.

2.- You are against modernizing Rome, but you are against reforming our
system to bring it closer to Rome. Isn't that quite of a paradox?

=====
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Tribunus Plebis
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Gnaeus Salix Astur for Praetor!
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:27:53 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Scepti.

--- sceptia <sceptia@yahoo.es> escribió:
> Furthermore, Aventina, I must say that I know quite well Astur, and
> he is one of the most active and intelligent citizens I have ever
> known.

Thank you for your kind words, amice.

I would like to take the chance to speak a little about Sceptius.
I have met him quite frequently (we live in the same city), and I think
that I know him quite well. He is a hard worker, he has a marvelous
sense of humour, and he is a good friend. Beyond that, I am sure that
he would be an outstanding tribunus plebis; he is extremely upright and
fair in his decisions.

He is the kind of person that would veto *me*, a pretty close friend,
if he deemed it necessary. And that is exactly the kind of person I
would like to see in the Tribunate :-).

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Thanksgiving
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:49:03 -0800 (PST)

L. Sicinius Drusus asked:
So my question to the list is which Gods do you think
it would be appropiate for Pagans to offer thanks to
on the holiday?

Renata responds:
I'd think offering thanks to Demeter (or is it Ceres?)
and Vesta would be good to do; possibly Neptune,
thanking him for the safe ocean crossing, and Apollo
for the spirit of exploration. Also, if there is a
Roman god whose purvue is interaction with foreigners,
then a very heartfelt prayer should go to that deity.
As I recall, the Puritan colony was near to failing,
that winter, and it was the local American Indian
tribespeople who made the feast possible.

Interesting factoid I learned on the History Channel
about Thanksgiving--The Puritans held many
thanksgivings througho8t the year, whenever they felt
the need to express their thanks; it wasn't just on
the day in November that we celebrate in the US. I
thought that was a lovely idea. Apparently, some
thanksgivings were days of quiet prayer and
meditation, and others were feasts.

---
Renata Corva

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The "S" Word
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:37:10 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

Well slavery is all in the past at least in the Western world.
In a course years ago we looked at the economics of slavery and
throughout the ages, starting with Rome slaves costed any from
$5000.00 to $250,000 + when translated into todays dollars. Really,
very few people could afford to own them at any time during the last
2000 years. More for the very wealthy to super wealthy in reality.
Anyway, with the coming of mechanized farm equipment in the latter
half of the 19th century and all the gizzmos we have in the home
today who needs it. Ah, some of us guys may fantasize about owning
beautiful women slaves like a harem but even they, in Roman times
costed 5x what a regular did. Don't take me too seriously, just some
thoughts on the matter.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> It must be election time! I Can tell because the "S"
> word is starting to show up more often.
>
> Slavery.
>
> It seems that every time a Comitia meets some
> modernists drag out thier favorite strawman the "S"
> word, with accusations that the Reconstructists want
> to introduce slavery into our Res Publica. No mention
> is made of just WHO favors slavery. Nothing to back up
> the absurd claim, just an emotion laden word in place
> of a rational argument.
>
> Slavery existed in Antiquita so the Reconstructionists
> have to be in favor of it! A wild charge that ignores
> that no one has called for slavery.
>
> Here's an example that is equally absurd. Mussalini
> called his government the new Roman Empire, so anyone
> who favors a Modern Nova Roma favors a facist
> dictatorship.
>
> Facist? Slavery?
> Two emotion laden words for those who are unable to
> offer a rational argument to support thier views.
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
> (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
> Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] R: on-line dictionary
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:58:13 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Gaio Galerio Peregrinator

> Could anybody recommend a good on-line English-Portuguese dictionary.
> Also an English-Italian.

Easy online italian dictionnary are Babelfish of Altavista and a good words'
translator at Libero http://traduzioni.libero.it/dizionario/index_iol.asp

Try their or send me your english text, I'll try to help you ;-)

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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§ VOTE ME AS CURULE AEDILE §
http://italia.novaroma.org/fac/index.htm
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
Yahoo Messanger: fapulus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:43:27 EST

In a message dated 11/14/02 4:25:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
salixastur@yahoo.es writes:

> 1.- Rapid change? The gens reform has been discussed for *years*. That
> doesn't sound me like a rush for change

A year is not years.

QFM

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:01:58 EST

In a message dated 11/14/2002 4:44:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com writes:

> To use an analogy here, Marcus Municius, let's say Benedict Arnold had
> invented a labor saving device for your beloved navy. Then he gives up
> West
> Point to the British. Do we abandon his device because he is a traitor?

No, we wouldn't give up the device....but while we would gladly use his
invention, we would not claim him as a hero..or a visionary. Perhaps a
traitor, or a deserter?

G. Modius Athanasius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:03:46 EST

In a message dated 11/14/2002 4:44:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com writes:

> As for me lacking vision, I wanted to finance Nova Roma's land growth by
> building a theme park. That to me is vision. NR's status would not allow
> it, however. Too bad that was the case.

I am very much waiting for part II of your story...part one had me on the
edge of my seat.

G. Modius Athanasius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:10:03 -0500

Salve,

Hershey park in Pa is owned by a non-profit that owns the Hershey Chocolate company. I thought that most of the profit when back in to the foundation for charity work?

Vale,
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:04 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten

In a message dated 11/14/2002 4:44:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com writes:

> As for me lacking vision, I wanted to finance Nova Roma's land growth by
> building a theme park. That to me is vision. NR's status would not allow
> it, however. Too bad that was the case.

I am very much waiting for part II of your story...part one had me on the
edge of my seat.

G. Modius Athanasius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Mosaics of Ancient Rome
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:15:01 -0600

Salve Gai Lani

> For some reason I am not aware of, my file was not attached the first time.
> Hopefully it will come through this time.

The list is set to automatically remove attached files from messages.
It's a method of protecting its members from viruses.

I'd dearly love to see your collection of links, as mosaics are an
interest of mine as well. Perhaps you could either simply put the URLs
of the sites into the body of your message or place the file into the
file section of the list's Yahoo site?

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The "S" Word
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:14:39 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,

>Ah, some of us guys may fantasize about owning
> beautiful women slaves like a harem but even they, in Roman times
> costed 5x what a regular did. Don't take me too seriously, just
some thoughts on the matter.
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Assuming you could afford a harem, you are aware that when women live
together their menstrual cycles sychronize so that means all of them
having PMS at the same time. I'd think twice about that fantasy
<GRIN> Just kidding ladies.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Mosaics of Ancient Rome, Part II
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:57:42 EST

Salvete omnes,

After receiving some pertinent information as to why my file did not come
through (thank you, Gn. Equitius Marinus and T. Labienus Fortunatus), I am
now rewriting the web addresses in this email. At this time I would also
like to publicly thank Quintus Lanius Paulinus for his aid in assembling this
list.

Here goes:

1) http://www.asprom.org
A wide variety of materials relating to mosaics in Britain, plus
articles that give
an insight into the relationships between mosaic and art,
architecture, religion,
and history.

2) http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/learn/mosaic.htm
Interactive website where you can design your own Roman mosaic! Many
examples of geometric patterns are included, along with other Roman
links.

3) http://www.dimosaico.com
Excellent site about the art of Roman mosaic - history, methods,
materials,
books, and more links.

4) http://www.archaeology.co.uk/timeline/roman/mosaics/mosaics.htm
From Current Archaeology - a look at four mosaics, one of which is
termed
"the finest mosaic from Roman Britain".

5) http://www.bamm.org.uk/ancient
Website of the British Association for Modern Mosaic, the above
address con-
tains links to many examples of Roman mosaics around the world.

6) http://www.romans-in-britain.org.uk/arc_roman_mosaics.htm
Information about how Roman mosaics were made.

7) http://www.pyrrha.demon.co.uk/mosaic1.html
Another DIY site showing how you can make a replica of a Roman mosaic
for
your garden, plus several other interesting Roman links.

8) http://www.bobgillett.skynow.co.uk/mosaic/romanindex.htm
Personal website explaining how the author became interested in
mosaic, how
he makes them, and examples of his work.

9) http://www.seekon.com/Top/Arts/Crafts/Glass/Mosaics
Very extensive links page for the serious mosaicist to explore -
should take
days!

Hope this time it works!

Vale,

Gaius Lanius Falco

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The "S" Word
From:	"lithia_cassia" <mscommunication@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:59:53 -0000

Considering that men *always* have "PMS" (granted at a lower
intensity than women), I suppose that would be a lot like having a
harme of men, only once a month. ;)

you are aware that when women live
> together their menstrual cycles sychronize so that means all of
them
> having PMS at the same time. I'd think twice about that fantasy
> <GRIN> Just kidding ladies.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Eagle Newsletter
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:19:18 -0500

Salve,

Does any body remember how much NR charged for a subscription to the Eagle?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Curator Differium and Quaestor
Fortuna Favet Fortibus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:35:29 -0000

SALVE Tiberi!

As of 2 months ago the Eagle is 12.00 US for 1 year, 24.00 US for 2
years by check or money order.

Vale - Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Does any body remember how much NR charged for a subscription to
the Eagle?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Candidate for Curator Differium and Quaestor
> Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:39:35 -0500

Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus Do you remember any of its features?

Thank you very much
TGP
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter

SALVE Tiberi!

As of 2 months ago the Eagle is 12.00 US for 1 year, 24.00 US for 2
years by check or money order.

Vale - Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Does any body remember how much NR charged for a subscription to
the Eagle?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Candidate for Curator Differium and Quaestor
> Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:03:28 -0000

Salve Tiberi,

Didn't say too much on the introduction other than it covered
articles not on the message board, things of interest like
archeological news, social events get - togethers etc. All in all it
said it would be more comprehensive coverage for Nova Romans than
what we see here. I hope that helps.

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus Do you remember any of its features?
>
> Thank you very much
> TGP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:35 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
>
> SALVE Tiberi!
>
> As of 2 months ago the Eagle is 12.00 US for 1 year, 24.00 US for 2
> years by check or money order.
>
> Vale - Quintus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Does any body remember how much NR charged for a subscription to
> the Eagle?
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Candidate for Curator Differium and Quaestor
> > Fortuna Favet Fortibus
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:06:21 -0500

Salve, Thanks

Vale
TGP

----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:04 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter

Salve Tiberi,

Didn't say too much on the introduction other than it covered
articles not on the message board, things of interest like
archeological news, social events get - togethers etc. All in all it
said it would be more comprehensive coverage for Nova Romans than
what we see here. I hope that helps.

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus Do you remember any of its features?
>
> Thank you very much
> TGP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:35 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
>
> SALVE Tiberi!
>
> As of 2 months ago the Eagle is 12.00 US for 1 year, 24.00 US for 2
> years by check or money order.
>
> Vale - Quintus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Does any body remember how much NR charged for a subscription to
> the Eagle?
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Candidate for Curator Differium and Quaestor
> > Fortuna Favet Fortibus
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman army physicians
From:	equitius_marinus@yahoo.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:06:16 -0500

Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix writes:

[quoting Renata Corva]

> > As a side note--Do you have any information on how
> > Roman army physicians were paid? Was it by
> > stpiendia,
> > or byt other means? It is information I would be
> > interested in posting on the Sodalitas Medicum list.
>
>
> I don't have any exact information on physicians. But
> since almost all physicians were slaves (mostly
> Greeks), they will possibly have been treated as other
> slaves. They served their masters, and they could buy
> themselves free after some time.
>
> Maybe someone from the Sodalitas Militarium can answer
> this (that's why I CC this message to the SodMil
> list)...

In the Legions, medical and surgical duties were performed
by medical optios, something like modern day Army medics.
(Or Navy medical corpsmen.) See, for example, _The Roman
Soldier_ by Watson.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:37:26 +0000

>From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle Newsletter
>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:39:35 -0500
>
>Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus Do you remember any of its features?
>
>Thank you very much
>TGP

Our materfamilias, Galeria Aureliana, used to be the editor, and she
could tell you more than anybody about it. Also, it was when she was editor
that the Eagle was at its best.

Vale
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta -- Roman News and Archeology
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:03:53 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes,

this week, a few news, Britain in the limelight!! at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] my endorsements for different offices
From:	Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@welho.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:34:49 +0200

Salvete omnes,

After seeing that many others have expressed their endorsements of
the different candidates, I think I will do the same now. I have had
the honour of working almost everyone of them and I have seen myself
the hard work they have been willing to put in for the res publica.
For some offices there is more than one good candidate and it will be
a hard choice for me to take there. All the people on my list are
most worthy for the position they are candidating in my opinion. So
here's my list:

CENSOR
Marcus Octavius Germanicus

CONSUL
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Titus Labienus Fortunatus

PRAETOR
Gnaeus Salix Astur

AEDILIS CURULIS
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS
Marcus Marcius Rex
Diana Moravia Aventina
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius

QUAESTOR
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Claudius Salix Davianus

CURATOR ARANEUM
Titus Octavius Pius

Valete,
--
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Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Concursus Primus

Caeso For Consul! http://www.insulaumbra.com/cfq_for_consul

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] *VENATIONES* 8th day!!!!!
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:32:16 -0800 (PST)

AVETE CITIZENS OF NOVA ROMA!!!!!!!!

WE ARE BACK FOR ANOTHER EXCITING DAY OF COMBATS!!!!!!

And this is a SPECIAL day!!!!!!!!

In fact, in the Circus Flaminius, we will see TWO
WOMEN strongly fighting against ravenous beasts!!!!!!

The first one is............

DANIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HERE HE IS!!!! HER DOMINUS: our beloved Curule Aedile
CAESO FABIUS QUINTILIANUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm... a rather rich man... he already owns 15,666
Sestertii... no bad! :)

Well, Dania comes from Bithynia (in the North of
Turkey). She seems to be in top form! She has a
strength of 34 and a resistance of 42!
After her good results during past venationes (where
she defeated a hippopotamus), Quintilianus decided to
introduce her to the same gymnasium she already
trained in: the Ludus Pentasium!

Do you want to know which is her enemy???

NOT YET!!!!!!!!! Before starting the combat we have an
important news for you.....
-------------------------------
>>>LATINA'S ODYSSEY<<<

A great event! Latina walked without her caligae,
dragging the sea monster and kindly discussing with
the huge lion, up to the Delphi's Oracle.

It has been very hard to reach that place. The journey
was long and difficult.
After walking during the night too, she finally saw
the Oracle's home. She approached the door. There was
a strange inscription:
"I'll be right back. Sit down, please, and wait. No
smoking. Thank you. The Oracle."

Latina and her friends are actually waiting outside
the Oracle's home.
It's raining.
Further news as soon as possible.
-------------------------------

Well, we are waiting for the Oracle to come back home
and give Latina the required response...

So, NOW WE CAN START WITH OUR COMBATS!!!!!!!!!

DANIA IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CIRCUS!!!!!!!!!!!

and her foe too.........

hmm.... two females fighting together......
FUNNY!!!!!!!

A STRONG SHE-PANTHER IS IN FRONT OF OUR VENATRIX AND
LOOK AT DANIA WITH HER YELLOW EYES!!!!!!!
THE PANTHER HAS BEEN CAUGHT IN ACHAIA (in the South of
Greece... hmm... Latina, do you know anything?).
This nice cat has 40 STRENGTH POINTS!!!!!!! She's
stronger than Dania!!!
But she only has 39 resistance points, which are less
than Dania's ones.

DANIA SHOWS HER WEAPON!!!!!!!!!! A PAIR OF
SCISSORS!!!!!

FIRST ATTACK!!!!

HE PANTHER LEAPS UPON DANIA!!!!!!!

OUR FIGHTER SNIPS A COUPLE OF VIBRISSAE!!!!!!!!!!!!

The panther staggers along.

Dania has now 37 resistance points. The panther 34.

Quintilianus' fighter approaches the animal. THE
PANTHER REACTS AND ATTACKS DANIA AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

ANOTHER SNIP BY DANIA!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm.... the panther looks confused....

Dania 33, the panther 27.

Our cat runs through the circus. She seems to be
bewildered.
She stops.

She walks toward one of the doors of the circus...

She... digs a hole in the ground...

The panther unhearted a compass!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, now she can attack again the venatrix!!!!

Hey, these animals are more and more clever! ;)

THE PANTHER ATTACKS AGAIN DANIA!

THE FIGHTER TRIES TO SNIP AGAIN OTHER VIBRISSAE, BUT
THE PANTHER MANAGES TO SHIRK THE SNIPS!!!!!

OUCH! THAT'S HORRIBLE!!!

DEAR DANIA!!!!

HEY!!!!!!! DANIA BIT THE COMPASS!!!!
SHE IS CHEWING IT!!!!!!

The panther is confused again.

Dania attacks her. She snips other vibrissae!!!

Dania 28. The panther 22.

The cat tries to run away but it's unuseful! The
panther keeps on staggering.

Dania hits her.

Dania 24, the panther 15.

The venatrix cuts cuts other vibrissae. The panther
tries to react scratching the venatrix.

Dania 18. The panther 12.

Dania starts running all around the poor animal...

oh, dear cat.... that's terrible to her....
The panther tries to attack Dania again, but it is no
longer easy.

HEY!!!! DANIA HAS BEEN WOUNDED!!!!!

Our fighter 15. The panther 3!

Dania cuts the last vibrissae!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The panter falls down. She tries to heave herself....

DANIA IS TAKING SOMETHING.... A MIRROR!!!!!!!!!!

She brings it nearer the panther's eyes!

The panther sees her reflection in the mirror.........

SHE START RUNNING THROUGH THE WHOLE CIRCUS!!!!!!!!!
SHE'S AS QUICK AS LIGHTNING!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps she went crazy after seeing herself without
her beautiful whisker?

The panther runs....

..............

.........runs.........

.........runs.........

...less quickly...........

.....she walks..........

...................

she totters.....

.....and falls full length to the ground.

Our venatrix still has 11 resistance points, while the
panther......

DANIA IS THE WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, well!

But we also have another combat today.... we will see
it in a while! ;)

===============================
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
===============================

WELCOME BACK IN THE CIRCUS FLAMINIUS.
THE MUSARUM NETWOR FOLLOWS THE VENATIONES FOR
YOU!!!!!!!!!

ANOTHER FIGHTING..... ANOTHER WOMAN......

A NEW PARTICIPANTS TO OUR VENATIONES!!!!

RAINA CORNELIA AETERNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Hey, did you notice that in this edition we have more
women that in the past one? Are women getting
sanguinary?) :D

Well, Aeternia had 10,000 sesterti, like everyone at
the beginning. After buing her fighter (another woman)
and introducing her to our best gymnasium (the ludus
Matutinus) she actually owns S 2,500.

Her Venatrix:
PROTERVA (which means impudent, but also violent)
She comes from Hibernia (Ireland).
Strength 29
Resistance 31

Proterva's foe:
Hey! It's an Italian buffalo! Perhaps I already know
it? (grin!)
Strength 30 (more than Proterva)
Resistance 38 (more than Proterva!)

hmm.... that won't be an easy task for our new
fighter...

Let's go!

Proterva resolutely attacks the buffalo.
On the other hand, the buffalo resolutely attacks
Proterva.

WHAT A THUMP!!!!!!

Proterva has now 26 resitance points. My buffalo 34
(it's still stronger!)

They both rise.

ANOTHER ATTACK!!!!!!!!!

Ouch!! Second thump. It doesn't seems to be a clever
tactic.

Proterva 23, The buffalo 25 (still stronger!)

Aeternia gives suggestions to her fighter. Is it
allowed?
Ok, it is.

Proterva listen to her Domina's words.

The buffalo attacks again!

PROTERVA WARDS OFF THE BLOW AND HITS THE BEAST!!!!!!

Hm--- that's better than the previous move.

Proterva 22, the buffalo 14!!! ( it's weaker!)

But the buffalo suddendly turns round and gores the
fighter.
Hoever Proterva managed to hit the buffalo with a
stiletto! The one she ususally hides in her hair!

Proterva 17, the buffalo 9!

The buffalo isn't exhausted yet, and attacks Proterva
again!

The venatrix dodges it like before and tries to hit
the buffalo again

BUT THE BUFFALO IS QUICKER AND KICKS WITH FORCE!!!!

OUCH!!!!
Proterva 7, the buffalo still 9! (it's stronger
again!)

HEY! WHAT'S PROTERVA DOING???

SHE RUNS AGAINST THE BUFFALO!!!!

OUCH!!!!!!!!! But that was her first tactic!!!!!!
Perhaps she preferred it?

Proterva rises. She's ready for another clash!

BUT SHE DOESN'T NEED MORE!!!!!! THE BUFFALO SUCCUMBED,
WHILE AHE STILL HAS 5 RESISTANCE POINTS!!!!!!!!

PROTERVA VICTRIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulation to Aeternia! You bought the right
fighter! ;)

THAT'S ALL!!!!
SEE YOU SOON FOR OTHER COMBATS AND..........
I REMIND YOU THAT THE "VENATIO MAGNA"
APPROACHES.....!!!!!!!!!

SEE YOU SOON!!!!!!!!!!! :)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Reminder: LVDI PLEBEI *** BUILD NOVA ROMA!!!
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:36:38 -0800 (PST)

AVETE OMNES!!!!!!!!!!

One more game for the Ludi Plebei!!!!!!!!!!
It is really easy! ;)

Every citizen can send us a "brick" to build a
symbolical temple façade.

The "brick" is a word (e.g. a virtue), a date (e.g.
the date of a battle) or a name (e.g. a Roman general
or the place of a battle) wich you deem important to
Nova Roma and Her culture.

The "bricks" can be sent to consulromanus@yahoo.com
during the Ludi Plebei until the temple façade is
completed. remember to put "BRICK" in the subject
line!

The temple façade will be built at
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix/build.html

Every citizen can only send one "brick" per day.

This building, as you can understand, is very
important to Nova Roma. It has a high symbolical
meaning. That is why we strongly suggest you to send
your brick at "Build Nova Roma"!

OPTIME VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
Scriba Aedilis Plebis (Ti.Apo.Cicatrix)
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform
From:	"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:38:48 -0800 (PST)

Julilla Sempronia I see your point and I belive this is a prob. but as I've said many a times that there are great Gens out there.Yes it may not be the Gen you want but I say to you and others out there looking to join a closed gen,Find out about some of the there open gens and there paterfamilias.My Gen has been open for some time and I'm happy to take on anyone form anywhere.I would say check in to the gen find out more about them and what they stand for.When I join the gen I wanted was closed but it give me the hope of becoming paterfamilias of my Gen Portica.So don't lose faith in the good men and women thats in the still open Gens.
G.Porticus Brutis

Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> wrote: My name is Julilla Sempronia, and I have borne that nomen and
praenomen since April of 1997. I am writing to illustrate the
position that I and slightly fewer than 200 other cives NovaRomani
face: the closure of our gens to new brethren. Granted, that is a
small percentage of our total population, and sadly, we grow smaller
every day.

I am NOT happy with the status quo of our current gens system, and I
am convinced that this affects too many of my fellow cives to ignore,
as illustrated below.

As of this writing, Nova Roman has 1,601 cives in 413 gens. Of these,
100 Gens are closed to new members, affecting 195 cives within
(approximately 12% of the current population). A few of these closed
gentes have several cives, but most grew to only 1-2 before they were
closed to new admissions.

I was accepted into gens Sempronia and NovaRoma on 19 March of 2001,
and that only after persistently writing the gens paterfamilias,
Tiberius Sempronius Licinius -- I applied 1 January 2001. His
acceptance was the last communication I have had with him, and
shortly after I was allowed in, gens whose pater or materfamilias
failed to respond to applications were closed. I wrote to my
paterfamilias subsequently, but he never responded, and the URL to
the site listed for our gens is now a dead link.

I am a Sempronia. I am proud of my nomen. It is who I am. But I have
no-one else to share in this pride, the history of the name, the
fellowship.

Cives, if I were the only person in these straights, I would remain
silent. But gens Sempronia is NOT alone. Many other ancient and
illustrious names, bearing as rich a heritage as the spiritual
descendents of Tiberius and Caius Sempronius Gracchus are doomed to
die out unless gens reform becomes a reality.

What is to become of gens Antonia, Aurelia, Caecilia, Drusa, Furia,
Livia, Marcella, Portia, Ulpia, Valeria, Vedia, and the rest? Must we
remain forever locked out from the fellowship of family members?

I was deeply disappointed to see senatorial discussion of this
critical issue vetoed earlier this fall. I urge candidates and cives
to join together to find full and fair resolution to the problems
with our gens system.

Gratias plurimas for listening.

---
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:27:29 -0800 (PST)

Slave,

This problem is not caused by the present law, but is
a result of the Censors refusing to use the powers
that the Constitution grants them.

Section II d 3 of the Constitution states
"Each gens shall, through whatever means it may
determine appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem.
materfamilias) who shall act as the leader of the gens
and speak for it when necessary. The holder of this
position must be registered as such with the censors.
The paterfamilias may, at his or her discretion, expel
members of their gens, or accept new members into it."

The Censors have the power to require that Paters
register with them on an anual basis, and can remove a
Pater from his postion if he fails to register with
them. An Edict by the Censors is all that is needed to
set up a registration process.

The Censors refusal to set up a registration process
has the effect of depriving Gens with an AWOL Pater of
the Constutional Right to have a Pater through
whatever means it shall determine.

I Have bought this up before and the Author of Nova
Roma's Constitution, Vedius, agreed with my
interpatation of this clause on the old main list.

The Censors have refused to comply with the Census
law, and refused to enforce this section of the
Constitution.
Hopefully the incoming Censor will not follow the
precedents set by the current Censors and run the
office as he sees fit regardless of what the law and
the Constitution state.

--- "G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Julilla Sempronia I see your point and I belive this
> is a prob. but as I've said many a times that there
> are great Gens out there.Yes it may not be the Gen
> you want but I say to you and others out there
> looking to join a closed gen,Find out about some of
> the there open gens and there paterfamilias.My Gen
> has been open for some time and I'm happy to take on
> anyone form anywhere.I would say check in to the gen
> find out more about them and what they stand
> for.When I join the gen I wanted was closed but it
> give me the hope of becoming paterfamilias of my Gen
> Portica.So don't lose faith in the good men and
> women thats in the still open Gens.
> G.Porticus Brutis
>
>
> Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
> wrote: My name is Julilla Sempronia, and I have
> borne that nomen and
> praenomen since April of 1997. I am writing to
> illustrate the
> position that I and slightly fewer than 200 other
> cives NovaRomani
> face: the closure of our gens to new brethren.
> Granted, that is a
> small percentage of our total population, and sadly,
> we grow smaller
> every day.
>
> I am NOT happy with the status quo of our current
> gens system, and I
> am convinced that this affects too many of my fellow
> cives to ignore,
> as illustrated below.
>
> As of this writing, Nova Roman has 1,601 cives in
> 413 gens. Of these,
> 100 Gens are closed to new members, affecting 195
> cives within
> (approximately 12% of the current population). A few
> of these closed
> gentes have several cives, but most grew to only 1-2
> before they were
> closed to new admissions.
>
> I was accepted into gens Sempronia and NovaRoma on
> 19 March of 2001,
> and that only after persistently writing the gens
> paterfamilias,
> Tiberius Sempronius Licinius -- I applied 1 January
> 2001. His
> acceptance was the last communication I have had
> with him, and
> shortly after I was allowed in, gens whose pater or
> materfamilias
> failed to respond to applications were closed. I
> wrote to my
> paterfamilias subsequently, but he never responded,
> and the URL to
> the site listed for our gens is now a dead link.
>
> I am a Sempronia. I am proud of my nomen. It is who
> I am. But I have
> no-one else to share in this pride, the history of
> the name, the
> fellowship.
>
> Cives, if I were the only person in these straights,
> I would remain
> silent. But gens Sempronia is NOT alone. Many other
> ancient and
> illustrious names, bearing as rich a heritage as the
> spiritual
> descendents of Tiberius and Caius Sempronius
> Gracchus are doomed to
> die out unless gens reform becomes a reality.
>
> What is to become of gens Antonia, Aurelia,
> Caecilia, Drusa, Furia,
> Livia, Marcella, Portia, Ulpia, Valeria, Vedia, and
> the rest? Must we
> remain forever locked out from the fellowship of
> family members?
>
> I was deeply disappointed to see senatorial
> discussion of this
> critical issue vetoed earlier this fall. I urge
> candidates and cives
> to join together to find full and fair resolution to
> the problems
> with our gens system.
>
> Gratias plurimas for listening.
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
> Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
> Curatrix Araneae,
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(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Serapio and Scipio
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:58:47 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Illustrious Senator Audens, Quintus Lanius Paulinus Omnesque,

> Well spoken senator. I say amen to that. From what I have seen of
> their dedication, hard work and creative ideas, I am sure they will
> do their offices proud as you say.

Thank you for your very nice words. Nova Roma is indeed very dear to me and I do as much
as I can to serve it. I hope I will deserve such compliments again in the future.

Valete,

=====
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Propraetor Galliae
Candidate for Quaestor

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A question for candidates and a question for voters
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:05:43 -0000

Greetings, Gn. Salix Astur

Thank _you_ for taking the time to read my rather long and rambling
message. :)

---
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The "S" Word
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:09:10 -0000

Salvete omnes--

I don't really understand why the question of slavery comes up, at
all. It seems to me that everyone in Nova Roma is quite firmly
agreed that it has no place in any society that we want to create or
live in. To me, it's a non-issue.

---
Renata Corva


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Dividing Nova Roma into Two (Read this please-I ask each of you)
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:16:08 -0000

Ave Friend Romans,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@y...> wrote:
>
>
> ALIGN?
>
> Why stop at dividing between Europe and N America. Why don't we
just have each Propraetor choose who to align their provincia with.
Then we can have many little Roman states! Just think of the fun....
<SNIP!>

I am SSSSSOOOOO very glad that he was writing this as a joke. :-)
(Nicely put by the way...I just LOVE a good sarcastic joke!)

I admit, I have not been a member long in Nova Roma, but I can surely
tell you this: In all my 40 (yep, FOURTY) years of living, I have
seen many worthwile groups rise, grow, then be thrown to the rocks of
destruction and despair because of splitting the group up.

I have seen good people who feel a little pressure from ONE person
(not everyone else now) force a situation where a solid tean was torn
asunder.

I am a Southerner, born in Virginia, raised there and South Carolina,
who just happens to be an American. I FULLY believe in what my
Cherokee grandmother told me: "There are two kinds of people in this
counrty son, Americans and Da#m yankees." But you know what? I'm
marrying a woman some would call a yankee. Why you ask? It is not due
to the fact my fiancee was born and raised in PA that makes her
a "yankee." (Of course my relatives in South Carolina no longer talk
to me for that very reason)

A "yankee" is someone who is purposefully ignorant, stubborn,
arrogant to the point of needing to be shot on site, and so full of
their own "rightness" that they can brook NO OTHER POSITION in
opposition to theirs.

I will not delve into roman or us history to make my points...I will
not waste your time.

Here we are, less than a decade old. Less than 10,000 population. We
don't have a stable tax base, school system, a site map where I can
see the location of our Gens, heck, we have paters and maters who
don't even respond to a call to join their family!

I say we STOP the SILLYNESS and look to EACH OTHER on how we can WORK
TOGETHER TO MAKE NOVA ROMA a better place to learn, live, and grow! I
have YET (with one exception) to see this "tension" from the
europeans and a desire to split off. Heck my Pater is German, and I
am quickly coming to a true, deep, meaningful friendship with Caius
Tarquitius.

HE makes the POINT to either call or e-mail me EVERY WEEK! Luckily
for me, he is here as a graduate student at Emory University, and he
GOES OUT OF HIS WAY to contact me! I am sure we have other paters and
maters who do the same, but we MUST find ways to learn to come
together!

STOP THE CRAP of splitting up! Take out super glue and find ways to
bring others together! Find a way to invite others here to come and
visit! MAKE IT HAPPEN! If you have to, FORCE YOURSELF to e-mail or
snail mail everyone in your providence!

EACH AND EVERYONE OF US HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN! DO NOT
JUST SIT THERE....GET UP AND GO FOR IT!

If you are really, really wanting to make this happen, we DO have the
minds to bring it to pass!

Enough talking on my part...you all see my point here. Here's what
I'm going to do....and I am going to do this publically to. Here we
go.

I, Publius Tarquitius Rufus, hereby publically and without ANYONE
forcing me to so so, place my person at the full and unreserved
service to the people and government of Nova Roma. If we have any
openings ANYWHERE in Nova Roma, please feel free to call upon me. I
shall place my time, money, heart, and soul at service of the
Censors, Consuls, And other government officials in the "national"
and Providencial government. Feel free to e-mail me or call me at:
Home: 770-993-5314, Work: 404-442-8811, Fax: 404-364-0922. My home
address is as follows:

William L. Rogers
3309 Calibre Creek Parkway
Roswell, GA 30076

I am ready to serve in the groups and the Legions too. I also hereby
swear that while I am a Roman Catholic, I PUBLICALLY AND WITHOUT
RESERVATION acknowledge each individuals RIGHT to worship howsoever
they choose, and I shall place all of my resources to defend that
right.

If need be, I also swear to the nation of Nova Roma my life. I do not
want to die for Nova Roma, that would accomplish nothing. I am
willing to give my TO Nova Roma. To SERVE Nova Roma. To sacrafice for
Nova Roma. For me, anything less would be the greatest evil on the
face of this planet.

I will gladly answer all e-mails, snail mails, or telephone calls. I
am here, not running, not hiding. I am standing firm, holding my
ground.

May you all find yourselves blessed beyond your ability to understand,

Publius Tarquitius Rufus
Servant to Nova Roma

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Thanksgiving-Open Invitation to Nova Roma
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:32:14 -0000

Dear Friends and family of Nova Roma:

I, Publius Tarquitius Rufus, wish to invie each and every one of to
my home for turkey day. While I am not rich, and have just a bit of
furniture, I DO want to ensure that those who are in the Atlanta, GA
area that day are welcome to come over.

All I ask is this: those of you who are coming, bring one item to
share, and contact me me by the 19th by any method. If you need
somewhere to sleep that night, bring a bag!

Publius Tarquitius Rufus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Apologies to Everyone
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:28:46 -0000

Friend Nerva,

If there is ANY way I can assist, Please feel free to contact me, I
shall gladly do what I can.

Publius Tarquitius Rufus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., Sextus Apollonius Scipio
> <scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:
> > You have posted quite a few of surprising, negative and
destructive
> messages recently.
>
> Salvete,
>
> Guys, Sextus Apollonius Scipio is right.
>
> I have to offer Nova Roma in general a very real and sincere
> apology. Over the last few days I *have* been lashing out, in all
> the wrong directions. I make no excuses. Suffice it to say my
issues
> right now are not about Nova Roma. But you guys made a quick and
easy
> target, and that is very wrong.
>
> In addition to Nova Roma in general, I also offer personal apologies
> top Marcus Octavius Germanicus for recent postings here and in the
BA.
> And I suspect I have also hurt the feelings of Cassius and Patricia
> too. Since they have never been anything but friendly to me, this is
> unexcusable. And also apologies to Equitius Marinus...I am putting
> you back on the provincial mailing list, since my abrupt
cancellation
> of your subscription was unfair. Please send me you email addy so I
> can do that before going bed tonight.
>
> I would like to get back "in the rights" with everyone. But first I
> am going to take a leave of absence till after the Thanksgiving
> holiday to see about getting matters in better control.
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tiberius Apollonius' essay
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@gensmoravia.org>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:55:12 +0100

Salve Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix,

>knowing that I first have to translate Latin in Dutch, and then Dutch into
English).
Just a quick email: If you (or any other of our Dutch mother tongue
citizens) ever need help translating from Dutch to English, just ask me and
I'll be happy to do it!

My English to Dutch translator is on your Gens, so this would be my way of
returning the favor :-)

Vale,
your friend,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: For Gens Reform
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:57:16 -0000

Julilla Sempronia Magna G.Porticum Brutim et omnibus SPD

Certainly there is no question that there are some excellent and
active gentes in Nova Roma, and I envy you that. My hope is that one
day gens Sempronia and other great historical gentes will once again
be able to grow and flourish. At this time, not even members of my
own family would be able to easily join gens Sempronia, and while the
praetorial edicta I cited earlier allows new applicants to petition
the praetors to join a gens, the process takes quite some time and
those active cives within the closed gens have no practical means to
assist in the process or work to revive their gens.

---
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|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
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Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@y...> wrote:
>
> Julilla Sempronia I see your point and I belive this is a prob. but
as I've said many a times that there are great Gens out there.Yes it
may not be the Gen you want but I say to you and others out there
looking to join a closed gen,Find out about some of the there open
gens and there paterfamilias. My Gen has been open for some time and
I'm happy to take on anyone form anywhere.I would say check in to the
gen find out more about them and what they stand for. When I join the
gen I wanted was closed but it give me the hope of becoming
paterfamilias of my Gen Portica. So don't lose faith in the good men
and women thats in the still open Gens.
> G.Porticus Brutis


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] dictionary
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:11:33 +0000

Thank you Moravia Aurelia. This one is certainly a better site, than
what I have.

Vale
Galerius Peregrinator

>From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:04:27 -0800 (PST)
>
>http://www.freetranslation.com
>is also good.
>
>Arnamentia
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] R: on-line dictionary
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:16:01 +0000

Thank you Apule Caesar. I like your dictionary, and thank you for the
offer. I'll keep that in mind.

Vale

Galerius Peregrinator.

>
>Easy online italian dictionnary are Babelfish of Altavista and a good
>words'
>translator at Libero http://traduzioni.libero.it/dizionario/index_iol.asp
>
>Try their or send me your english text, I'll try to help you ;-)
>
>Vale
>Franciscus Apulus Caesar
>-------------------------------------------
>§ VOTE ME AS CURULE AEDILE §
>http://italia.novaroma.org/fac/index.htm
>-------------------------------------------
>Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
>Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
>Scriba Curatoris Araneum
>-------------------------------------------
>Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
>Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
>Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
>http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
>Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A question for candidates and a question for voters
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:53:41 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Renata.

--- aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> escribió:
> Greetings, Gn. Salix Astur
>
> Thank _you_ for taking the time to read my rather long and rambling
> message. :)
>
> ---
> Renata Corva

You're welcome. I hope that you do not find some of *my* posts too
boring. I also tend to write too much sometimes :-).

=====
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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Triumvir Academiae Thules
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Endorsements
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:38:32 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes,

Please find hereby my endorsements to some citizens or magistrates.
These endorsements are not a negative statement to the other ones that I do not name. I
have only chosen the ones I know well enough.

CENSOR
Marcus Octavius Germanicus

CONSUL
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Titus Labienus Fortunatus

PRAETOR
Gnaeus Salix Astur

AEDILIS CURULIS
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS
Marcus Marcius Rex
Diana Moravia Aventina
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius

QUAESTOR
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Claudius Salix Davianus
Lucius Arminius Faustus

CURATOR ARANEUM
Titus Octavius Pius

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Candidate for Quaestor

My program at: http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Quaestorship/

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform, many Doubts
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:40:55 -0000

Salvete omnes.

Citizens, I have heard many differente voices claiming for a Gens
Reform and against it. I'd like to say that I have cleared my mind,
but it is as dark as night.

I think we need a reform, yes. What way? I ask to those who reject it
or support it. I think present system doesn't work properly if denys
individuals to change from Gens to Gens. Actually, I think voting
system is a mess in many ways. So, humbly, and be conscious that I'm
running for being one of the five Tribunus Plebis, I ask those
implied on the gens reform. What is the goal? How can we get it?

Bitter answers of illustrous Fabius Maximus, who replied me privately
when I thought it necessary, and combative reasonings of Salix Astur,
have made me think of what the problem is. What is the core problem?
As far as Maximus and Astur are running for important offices, and
Maximus put the finger on the Religion problem and Astur on Judicial
System, seems that Astur's views are more worried about Gens Reform
than Maximus's. As a voter, that gave my a slight idea of who is
working for the growing of the Republic and who for his own power
manteinance.

As Tribunus Plebis, if I were elected, I wouldn't use my intercessio
right if a Gens Reform were done in clear terms and favourizing real
democracy. And I would use it if a Gens Reform were done in dark
wills of manteining or creating oligarchical powers.

Of course, as Salix Astur has said, I do would use intercessio if he
is trying to make the second possibility, because I don't mind who,
but what he or she is trying to do.

So I have exposed my doubts. I wait mainly from candidates an answer.
A clear, simple, directly done answer. And I recognize Honesty when I
see it.

Vale bene,

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
- Candidate to Tribunus Plebis -

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: For Gens Reform
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:14:26 US/Central

Salve Julilla Sempronia omnesque

> At this time, not even members of my own family would be able to easily join
> gens Sempronia, and while the praetorial edicta I cited earlier allows new
> applicants to petition the praetors to join a gens, the process takes quite
> some time and those active cives within the closed gens have no practical
> means to assist in the process or work to revive their gens.

The active members of gentes which have an inactive paterfamilias (fem. not
used purely for the sake of brevity) do have a recourse. The constitution,
II.d.3, says:

"Each gens shall, through whatever means it may determine appropriate, have a
paterfamilias (fem. materfamilias) who shall act as the leader of the gens and
speak for it when necessary. The holder of this position must be registered as
such with the censors. The paterfamilias may, at his or her discretion, expel
members of their gens, or accept new members into it."

Please note the clause, "through whatever means it may determine appropriate".
It is the gens that determines who its paterfamilias is, according to whatever
bylaws it may have. Therefore, it seems entirely legal and reasonable to me
for the active members of a gens to simply replace their absent paterfamilias.
The censores would, of course, need to be involved to ensure that the rights of
the paterfamilias in question were adequately protected, and that he really was
inactive.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform, many Doubts
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:09:39 -0800 (PST)

--- sceptia <sceptia@yahoo.es> wrote:

> As Tribunus Plebis, if I were elected, I wouldn't
> use my intercessio
> right if a Gens Reform were done in clear terms and
> favourizing real
> democracy. And I would use it if a Gens Reform were
> done in dark
> wills of manteining or creating oligarchical powers.
>

This is a promise to use the Tribune's veto to set
policy. That is going beyond the powers granted to the
tribunes by Nova Roma's constitution.

The Tribune's veto is limited to violations of "spirit
and/or letter" of the law or the constitution. The
Consuls and the Praetors may use the veto for
something they consider poor policy, the Tribune's is
limited to ruling on the legality of an action.

I would certainly hope the other Tribunes would step
in and disallow a veto based on disaproval of
policies.

=====
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(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: For Gens Reform, many Doubts
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:45:15 -0000

Salve Drusus et quirites

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- sceptia <sceptia@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > As Tribunus Plebis, if I were elected, I wouldn't
> > use my intercessio
> > right if a Gens Reform were done in clear terms and
> > favourizing real
> > democracy. And I would use it if a Gens Reform were
> > done in dark
> > wills of manteining or creating oligarchical powers.
> >
>
> This is a promise to use the Tribune's veto to set
> policy. That is going beyond the powers granted to the
> tribunes by Nova Roma's constitution.

SCE: To set Policy? Of course. A veto is always political when it
stops a policy, that is something that even a child could understand.
But it doesn't mean to go beyond the Constitutio.
We always make policy by refusing or supporting an idea. So assert as
you do that this is going beyond the powers of the Constitutio is to
make, respectfully said, a political inmature statement.

> The Tribune's veto is limited to violations of "spirit
> and/or letter" of the law or the constitution. The
> Consuls and the Praetors may use the veto for
> something they consider poor policy, the Tribune's is
> limited to ruling on the legality of an action.

SCE: O.K., so if I use it to stop a violation of the Spirit and/or
the Letter... what's wrong?. The legality (and loyalty) of a policy
doesn't have to fit to your own mental schemes. Hope you are not
solipsistic. Again stopping a policy is ALWAYS a policy itself. And
always fixed to the Legality that can be read in a sense or other. In
my case, I'll read it ALWAYS for the best of the People, not for the
best of an Oligarchy.

> I would certainly hope the other Tribunes would step
> in and disallow a veto based on disaproval of
> policies.

SCE: As individuals, I hope them to use their intercessio as well as
they can. And I would certainly hope that those to be elected as
Praetors don't force the People, the Citizens, to a riskful position
of "My word, my law".

Remember that populars are always needed of an office like the
Tribunus Plebis, not to be tamed by the optimates.

Respectfully,

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
- Candidate to Tribunus Plebis -


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Dividing Nova Roma into Two-A Reply to Nerva
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:55:10 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Cassius Nerva. Salvete.

Once again I am struck by how interesting it is to observe your thinking on
matters political. Would it not be a better idea to find ways to increase
good ties and reduce any alleged tensions with our European, S. American, and
Asian citizens rather than discuss the division of the Republic. The
interpreters and the candidates for the magistracies are from the whole of NR
and not just Americans. All of our citizens jointed NR because of a feeling
of common interest and 'Romitas' rather than an isolationist or separatist
ideology. Nerva, you should really think before you submit such ideas to the
list and, perhaps, consult privately with some of the citizens in other parts
of the Republic before you put them on the list. While I am sure that you
have thought that some of your posts have merit, you are beginning to impress
some citizens as a bit of a demagogue. I do not say this to be insulting but
simply by way of an admonishment to be a bit more thorough before you commit
to a post. May the Gods grant you good fortune. Valete.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Citizen's Question about Voting
From:	"H Minucia Caesar" <theladysabine@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:23:43 -0000

Do we have to know what Tribe we are in to vote? I have not
received any mail telling me my tribe, nor is it on the Nova Roma
website.

Gratias vobis ago,
Horatia Minucia Caesar

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: For Gens Reform, many Doubts
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:04:53 -0800 (PST)

So you freely admit that you intend to use the powers
of the office you seek to persue a Formoan agenda
regardless of Nova Roma's constitution?

Is this also the policy of other members of your
facton, who are so busy endorsing each other?

--- sceptia <sceptia@yahoo.es> wrote:
> Salve Drusus et quirites
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- sceptia <sceptia@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > As Tribunus Plebis, if I were elected, I
> wouldn't
> > > use my intercessio
> > > right if a Gens Reform were done in clear terms
> and
> > > favourizing real
> > > democracy. And I would use it if a Gens Reform
> were
> > > done in dark
> > > wills of manteining or creating oligarchical
> powers.
> > >
> >
> > This is a promise to use the Tribune's veto to set
> > policy. That is going beyond the powers granted to
> the
> > tribunes by Nova Roma's constitution.
>
> SCE: To set Policy? Of course. A veto is always
> political when it
> stops a policy, that is something that even a child
> could understand.
> But it doesn't mean to go beyond the Constitutio.
> We always make policy by refusing or supporting an
> idea. So assert as
> you do that this is going beyond the powers of the
> Constitutio is to
> make, respectfully said, a political inmature
> statement.
>
> > The Tribune's veto is limited to violations of
> "spirit
> > and/or letter" of the law or the constitution. The
> > Consuls and the Praetors may use the veto for
> > something they consider poor policy, the Tribune's
> is
> > limited to ruling on the legality of an action.
>
> SCE: O.K., so if I use it to stop a violation of the
> Spirit and/or
> the Letter... what's wrong?. The legality (and
> loyalty) of a policy
> doesn't have to fit to your own mental schemes. Hope
> you are not
> solipsistic. Again stopping a policy is ALWAYS a
> policy itself. And
> always fixed to the Legality that can be read in a
> sense or other. In
> my case, I'll read it ALWAYS for the best of the
> People, not for the
> best of an Oligarchy.
>
> > I would certainly hope the other Tribunes would
> step
> > in and disallow a veto based on disaproval of
> > policies.
>
> SCE: As individuals, I hope them to use their
> intercessio as well as
> they can. And I would certainly hope that those to
> be elected as
> Praetors don't force the People, the Citizens, to a
> riskful position
> of "My word, my law".
>
> Remember that populars are always needed of an
> office like the
> Tribunus Plebis, not to be tamed by the optimates.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
> - Candidate to Tribunus Plebis -
>
>

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"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Dividing Nova Roma into Two-A Reply to L. Sicinius Drusus
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:07:55 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the honorable L. Sicinius Drusus.
Salvete.

Very well spoken, sir. I entirely agree with your sentiment. Valete.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Dividing Nova Roma into Two-To my Galeri cousin
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:11:34 EST

Salve, Tiberi

A very optimistic thought that show you have confidence in the staying power
and potential longevity of the Republic. Once again you show why you are
certain to be elected Quaestor and Curator Differium. Well done, cousin.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Dividing Nova Roma into Two-To S. Apollonius Scipio
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:16:36 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Sextus Apollonius Scipio. Salvete.

You speak well, citizen. I wish you the very best luck in your campaign for
Quaestor and know that you have my support. Valete.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - photo 10 (last one!)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:16:35 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

A new and exciting contest, offered by Aedilis Plebis
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix:

PHOTO CONTEST

**********
You can participate by sending an email to
consulromanus@yahoo.com (put “PHOTO” in the subject
line), with your Nova Roma name and the correct
answer.
**********

A very simple contest: 10 photos of Roman-era
monuments to recognize.

10 days long one photo will be posted each day. The
photo will contain a whole monument, or a very large
part of it.

Today's new photo can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/consulromanus/photo.html

Different kind of answers are possible, as shown in
this example:
A photo of the Pantheon can be described as:
Pantheon
Pantheon, Rome
Temple of Agrippa
Pantheon, Italy
Agrippa’s temple (Pantheon)
…
These are all correct answers; just make clear that
you recognize the monument on the photo!

All correct answers will be put together each day, and
my totally innocent two year old neighbour will pick
out a winner at random.

Everyone’s results will be presented each day in a
hit-parade.

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Today's winner:
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Congratulations!!

All others who have also submitted a correct answer:
Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Jullila Sempronia Magna
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

The correct answer:
The amphitheatre at Pompeii

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So participate as much as possible to become the best
and greatest “monument-specialist”!

Valete bene

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: For Gens Reform, many Doubts
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:20:03 -0000

Salve Drusus

Maybe my poor english has been quite problematic...
You understanded that I wanted to change the Constitutio within the
office? That's a mistake and you know it quite well... But you try to
defend the Constitutio regardless the Nova Roma Citizens... and both
are in my mind...

It is my OWN policy, that can be or not supported by those who
endorsed me. But trying to create a "conspiracy" state of mind in the
electors is not a Honest and Frank way to get voters...

You thought I tried to... What?

I therefore come back to my old questions, and wish you not to
discover "conspiracy" terms in my messages, nor to put words wrongly.
I have studied laws so far to know that some statements are childish
statements.

Respectfully,

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
- Candidate to Tribunus Plebis, not to Dictator -

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> So you freely admit that you intend to use the powers
> of the office you seek to persue a Formoan agenda
> regardless of Nova Roma's constitution?
>
> Is this also the policy of other members of your
> facton, who are so busy endorsing each other?
>
> --- sceptia <sceptia@y...> wrote:
> > Salve Drusus et quirites
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> > <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- sceptia <sceptia@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > As Tribunus Plebis, if I were elected, I
> > wouldn't
> > > > use my intercessio
> > > > right if a Gens Reform were done in clear terms
> > and
> > > > favourizing real
> > > > democracy. And I would use it if a Gens Reform
> > were
> > > > done in dark
> > > > wills of manteining or creating oligarchical
> > powers.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is a promise to use the Tribune's veto to set
> > > policy. That is going beyond the powers granted to
> > the
> > > tribunes by Nova Roma's constitution.
> >
> > SCE: To set Policy? Of course. A veto is always
> > political when it
> > stops a policy, that is something that even a child
> > could understand.
> > But it doesn't mean to go beyond the Constitutio.
> > We always make policy by refusing or supporting an
> > idea. So assert as
> > you do that this is going beyond the powers of the
> > Constitutio is to
> > make, respectfully said, a political inmature
> > statement.
> >
> > > The Tribune's veto is limited to violations of
> > "spirit
> > > and/or letter" of the law or the constitution. The
> > > Consuls and the Praetors may use the veto for
> > > something they consider poor policy, the Tribune's
> > is
> > > limited to ruling on the legality of an action.
> >
> > SCE: O.K., so if I use it to stop a violation of the
> > Spirit and/or
> > the Letter... what's wrong?. The legality (and
> > loyalty) of a policy
> > doesn't have to fit to your own mental schemes. Hope
> > you are not
> > solipsistic. Again stopping a policy is ALWAYS a
> > policy itself. And
> > always fixed to the Legality that can be read in a
> > sense or other. In
> > my case, I'll read it ALWAYS for the best of the
> > People, not for the
> > best of an Oligarchy.
> >
> > > I would certainly hope the other Tribunes would
> > step
> > > in and disallow a veto based on disaproval of
> > > policies.
> >
> > SCE: As individuals, I hope them to use their
> > intercessio as well as
> > they can. And I would certainly hope that those to
> > be elected as
> > Praetors don't force the People, the Citizens, to a
> > riskful position
> > of "My word, my law".
> >
> > Remember that populars are always needed of an
> > office like the
> > Tribunus Plebis, not to be tamed by the optimates.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
> > - Candidate to Tribunus Plebis -
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
> (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
> Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Dividing Nova Roma into Two-A Response to M. Octavius Germanicus
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:02:32 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the noble Consul, M. Octavius
Germanicus. Salvete.

I do not like to admonish someone who I admire so well but you have made a
slight mistake in this missive. There are no Swedes, Belgians, or Spaniards
in NR; merely Nova Romans who live in different provinces who share a common
interest in all (or various) things Roman. While we all share a certain
pride in our macronational and blood heritages, by living by the Roman
virtues we share a strong pride in our micronational affiliation with Nova
Roma. I prefer to think of all our citizens as being my brothers, sisters,
mother, uncles, aunts, and cousins of mine. Of course, this is only my
opinion. Valete.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: New Citizen's Question about Voting
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:21:23 -0000

H Minucia Caesar writes:

> Do we have to know what Tribe we are in to vote? I have not
> received any mail telling me my tribe, nor is it on the Nova Roma
> website.

You are a member of the Poblilia tribe, according to the
information available at:

http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4660

However, to answer your original question, you don't need
to know your tribe in order to vote. You'll need your
voter code.

-- Marinus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] splitting Novaroma-The Galeri support NR
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:26:07 EST

I take great pride that my Galeri cousins support the unity of NR and believe
that all NR citizens should loudly proclaim the unity of our beloved Republic.

Valete.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Dividing Nova Roma into Two-A Response to M. Octavius Germanicus
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:28:30 -0000

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus writes:

> There are no Swedes, Belgians, or Spaniards
> in NR; merely Nova Romans who live in different provinces who
> share a common interest in all (or various) things Roman.

I appreciate your deep appreciation for our common Roman citizenship,
but I'll respectfully disagree with the suggestion that we somehow
ought to suppress our macronational loyalties. Before ever I joined
NR I made quite sure with the Censors that no such pressure would
be put on me. I am oathbound to the United States of America, and
to the State of Maryland. Those oaths are as important to me as my
oath before the gods of Rome as a curule magistrate. I understand
that no offense was intended by your statement, but I want you to
please appreciate how it might come across as such.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - Quiz Bonus Question 2
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:52:29 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!!

A new bonus question for our Ludi Plebeii Quiz!

Everyone who answers this correct will receive SEVEN
extra points!

**********
To participate, send your answer to consulromanus @
yahoo.com, with BONUS in the subject line.
**********

Here's the bonus question:

What were the 'Hippaka Gymnasia'?

Good luck!

Valete bene

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] USA Thanksgiving
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:54:23 EST

The Unknown God, Ceres, Persephone, Pomona, Mars, and Vesta; along with the
Lares, Loci Geni, and Penates

Vale.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - Quiz 12
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:35:50 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

QUIZ

Who knows most on Ancient Rome?

**********
Send your answers to consulromanus@yahoo.com (don’t
forget to include you Nova Roma name), putting “QUIZ”
in the subject line.
**********

Very simple: five questions each day, some multiple
choice and some not; some difficult ones and some easy
ones…

Questions covering all aspects of Roma Antiqua:
military, history, literature, …

The results will be posted each day on the main list,
so participate as much as you can!

Answers to the previous questions cannot be sent
anymore!

-----

The correct answers of quiz 11:
1. Which emperor conquered Armenia and Mesopotamia?
(Traianus)

2. What is a 'quincunx' (Roman military)? (The
chequerboardformation used by the Republican legion in
which the three lines were deployed with wide
intervals between the maniples, the gaps being covered
by the maniples of the next line)

3. Who wrote the stories about Philemon and Baucis,
Piramus and Thisbe, Midas and Pan, etc. (full Roman
name)? (Publius Ovidius Naso)

4. Which of these Emperors never came to Britain?
(Augustus)

5. Which of these is the Roman number 500? (D)

-----
Points so far:
Julilla Sempronia Magna – 60
Sextus Apollonius Scipio – 58
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus – 54
Titus Labienus Fortunatus – 52
Quintus Lanius Paulinus – 38
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus – 37
Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus – 37
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus – 33
Spurius Postumius Tubertus – 27
Marcus Octavius Germanicus – 19
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix – 18
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia – 15
Marcus Arminius Maior – 13
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus – 13
Vivius Ambrosius Caesariensis – 11
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola – 10
Lithia Cassia – 9
Aulus Octavius Serenus – 4

-----

Here are today's questions:

***************

1. Which of these was a Roman coin?
- Sal
- Dromedarius
- Aquilia
- Denarius

2. Which of these was a small town found outside a
Roman fort?
- Vir
- Viridarium
- Villa
- Vicus

3. Which river did Caesar famously cross in 49 BC to
declare his bid for power over Rome?

4. Which Roman city was destroyed by an eruption of
Mount Vesuvius?
- Capua
- Pompeii
- Brundisium
- Londinium

5. Who wrote "The Beginnings Of Rome. Italy and Rome
from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars"?

***************

NOTE: A bonus question is coming up - answer correct
and receive five extra points!

Take part in the quiz, and see who knows most on
Ancient Rome!!

Valete bene

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman army physicians
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:54 EST

I believe the medicus in each cohort was a soldier of the army since they are
often depicted as wearing helmets and body armor while treating patients.
The most famous of all the Roman military physicians, Dioscorides Pedanicus,
was a free born citizen during the period of 66-92 AD. Not all physicians
were slaves, either.

Vale.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman movies
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:01:53 EST

In that case- the mini-series on Masada and Pompeii; The Fall of the Roman
Empire (Alec Guiness, Christopher Plummer, Stephen Boyd); the mini-series on
Attila.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:11:03 EST

A little known historical tidbit about Benedict Arnold. At the Battle of
Saratoga, he was confined to his tent by order of the commanding general,
Nathaniel Gates. During a critical point in the battle, Arnold was informed
by an aide that his troops were wavering and he charged into the battle to
rally his troops. The Americans won the battle but Arnold took a wound to
the leg that resulted in amputation. Arnold was hailed as a hero and Gates
dropped the charges against him. After his betrayal and subsequent
vilification in American history, the DAR still felt that they needed to
honor him for his actions at Saratoga. So, earlier this century, they
erected a statue of Arnold's booted leg at Saratoga with a note that Arnold
gave his leg for the fledgling United States.

Pat Owen
aka F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:30:30 -0500 (EST)

Senator Maximus;

Very well, Senator, since you choose to no longer use your term of
"dead", I shall not press you to do so, nor will I use such again. I
objected to it then, and for those who wish to maintain a correspondence
/ relationship with the topic of discussion, I object to it now, with
your kind explanation.

Hmmmmmmmmm! I am very much afraid that I must disagree with your idea,
that to speak the truth about a departed citizen is disrespectful.
Particularly since the individual in question injured Nova Roma in
leaving, which, fortunately for Nova Roma, Senior Consul Octavious was
able to set aright without too much of a problem. Both of this
individual's departures were unannounced and abrupt, and left NR
"hanging" while he dealt with his personal problem. I have no concern
with the man having a personal problem, as I have them all of the time,
however, leaving without notification or explanation, and leaving those
who remained behind in doubt about what had happened and where he was,
is in my view inexcusable, and injurious to those whom he represented.

To perhaps extend your "Benedict Arnold " anology just a bit further:

=====================================

a captured Coninental Soldier (opponents to the British in the American
Rev War) when brought before Gen. Arnold and asked what the Continentals
thought of him, answered thusly:

"Sir, we would bury your leg (injured at the Battle of Saratoga,
considered to be a turning point in the war) with full military honors,
and hang the remainder for a traitor."

=====================================

Now, I do not recommend that the gentleman who left us in a snit should
be hung. Nor do I agree that he should have a set of full military
honors performed on any part of his person. Further, I agee that this
individual, as he has chosen, should be left in peace. However, I
believe that we should do so stating accurately the injury that he has
done to NR. I am sure that his frustrations for whatever reason (s)
drove him to do what he did. However, whatever his reaons and whatever
his character attributes, he is no different than the many others who
have left NR for as many reasons as there are people who have left. I
further remind you that people do not resign for no reason, and whether
that person is a genius or a fool, his reasons to him / her are very
real, and just as significant, and just as right to that individual, as
anyone else's happens to be.

If this individual was "high-strung" he was also arrogant, if he was
gifted, he was also "brittle" when disagreed with, and if he was a
visionary, he saw himself as a better person than others, for the gifts
he believed himself to have. Such is not just my opinion, but the
opinion of many others who were or are now in NR. By all means let us
leave this man in peace, but also let us tell the truth about his impact
upon Nova Roma. As you have often said in the past, that praise for a
Magistrate is not appropriate since a Magistrate's effectivness, skill
and vision are expected virtues, in his office.

On another topic, I too have made many suggestions both to Senior
Magistrates, and to the Senate for which I have recieved no response, or
I have been overuled. However, I do not choose to speak of those
instances, because it does NR no good at all, and "Monday Morning
Quarterbacking" only injures the reputations of those who made a final
decision, I am quite sure that as a Magistrate, I have made errors,
which at the time needed a decision, and which later have turned out to
be an unwise decision. I take full responsibility for those errors, and
I take pride in the fact that I was there to make the decision, as
needed, just as the Citizens of NR placed me to be. I also take pride
in the ideas that I have put forth to my seniors and colleagues, but I
fully respect thier decisions of the moment, regardless of any possible
long term impact , of any suggestion, made by myself.

I assure you Senator that I do not find you to be an "enemy." We simply
disagree on several ideas in this year's campaign. You have been kind
to me and have provided me with two very interesting and useful books.
We have shared a table and a party together, and we have shared a
Consular experience together. I appreciate all of that, and again, as I
have said before, I thank you for your thoughtfulness. However, we
disgree on several points. I don't think that unusual in an election
debate. After all, I have been in disagreement with most of my
colleagues at one time or another simply because my views differ from
thiers on a point or on many points. This does not to my mind make them
an "enemy" but rather someone whose ideas I must scan for the parts that
I find acceptable, and incorporate them as I see fit. Then I must try
to seek a way to mutual concurrence for the remainder

In the area of Gens Reform, your suggestion is exactly what I am trying
to do. It is unfortunate that I am somewhat slower than others to
visualize the whole situation and pinpoint accurately the real problems
from the manufactured ones. Having once done that, then to cast about
for the best way to deal with those "real" problems, while getting rid
of the "manufactued" one in the eyes of the Citizens of Nova Roma. To
do so needs the cooperation of every member of the Senate and the
Magistrates, as it is a large task. Some citizens have already appealed
to some great problems as they see them, and that adds to the effort to
find an answer to those problems as well.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Tribune's Veto (was Gens Reform, many Doubts)
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:31:56 -0000

From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius:

"As Tribunus Plebis, if I were elected, I wouldn't use my
intercessio right if a Gens Reform were done in clear terms and
favourizing real democracy. And I would use it if a Gens Reform were
done in dark wills of manteining or creating oligarchical powers.

>From L. Sicinius Drusus:

"The Tribune's veto is limited to violations of "spirit
and/or letter" of the law or the constitution. The
Consuls and the Praetors may use the veto for
something they consider poor policy, the Tribune's is
limited to ruling on the legality of an action."

>From Me:

Perhaps it is a matter of differing native languages causing the
disagereement which began with the above statements. However,
Lucius Sicinius is correct about the scope of a Tribune's veto
powers. Our Constitution states:

"Five tribunes of the plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis
tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the
plebeian order, and shall have the following honors, powers, and
obligations:

To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions
of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the
interrex), Senatus consulta, magisterial edicta, religious decreta,
and leges passed by the comitia when the spirit and/or letter of
this Constitution or legally-enacted edicta or decreta, Senatus
Consulta or leges are being violated thereby;"

Me again:

Therefore, a Tribune would be abusing his powers to veto a LEGAL
law, edict, etc. because the Tribune disagreed with it.

The following is my earlier response to the question about a
candidates readiness to use the veto:

"The Tribune's veto (in my opinion) should only be used to protect
the people from abuses of power.
If a gens reform law was promulgated that forced civies to change
their current gens arrangement against their will, as Tribune I
would consider a veto if so appealed to by those cives."

I base that position on the gens issue on this part of the
Constitution:

"Except where specifically dealt with in this constitution and the
law, each gens shall have the right to determine its own course of
action, and parents shall have the undisputed right and
responsibility to see to the education and raising of their
children."

Me again:

So, a Tribune's veto against "gens reform" would be appropriate if
citizens rights, as outlined in the Constitution, were being abused,
but not appropriate, if legally promulgated, just because of a
disagreement over "policy".

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Consular Quaestor
Candidate for Tribune

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Eagle Newsletter Features
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:43:00 -0500 (EST)

I mentioned some features of "Eagle" in a previous message. The
following is a perhaps more complete listing:

--NR Main List Reviews;

--Magistrate Introductions and Views;

--Roman Fiction Stories, Poems, etc.

--Macaellum Advertisements;

--Articles about Roman culture;

--Consul's Column;

--Offered Militarium Insert;

--Roman Jokes, cartoons, etc.

--Used Roman Equipment, bric-a-brac;

--Editor's column.

The first editor of Eagle was also very good at what she did. She is no
longer a Citizen, and she resigned as a Senator, however, she offered
some time ago to do the job again, but the offer came to nothing.

I would be willing to contribute periodically to the "Eagle" should it
again be taken up.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Apologies to Everyone
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:48:40 EST

While Thanksgiving is traditionally associated with the Pilgrim Fathers of
the Plymouth Bay Colony, it was actually established as a national day of
thanksgiving and prayer by President Abraham Lincoln, in 1863, following the
Union victories of Gettysburg, Vicksburg, and the Tullahoma Campaigns.

Valete.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
aka Pvt. Pat Owen, 9th KY US Volunteer Infantry (Recreated)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A question for Maximuse
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@gensmoravia.org>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:05:19 +0100

Roman BriefpapierSalve Q. Fabius Maximus,

You said on Thusday Nov 14 :
Actually I wanted to run for censor, with the upcoming census being a
defining moment in NR
history, I wanted to be a part of it. Alas, Pompeia Cornelia who was to run
for consul resigned in the unfortunate incident on the main list, and I
stepped into the vacuum."

I think that I am not the only citizen who is sitting here wanting to ask :
So why are you running for Consul Maximus? Since you have stated yourself
that the position of Consul isn't what interests you, a bit of a
clarification is in order I think.

And by "vacuum", what do you mean? Your statement insinuates that you are
running only to make sure that someone who can not be intimidated by you
doesn't win.

Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Tribune's Veto (was Gens Reform, many Doubts)
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:26:46 -0000

Salve amice

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@b...> wrote:

> From Me:
>
> Perhaps it is a matter of differing native languages causing the
> disagereement which began with the above statements. However,
> Lucius Sicinius is correct about the scope of a Tribune's veto
> powers. Our Constitution states:
>
> "Five tribunes of the plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis
> tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the
> plebeian order, and shall have the following honors, powers, and
> obligations:
>
> To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions
> of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the
> interrex), Senatus consulta, magisterial edicta, religious decreta,
> and leges passed by the comitia when the spirit and/or letter of
> this Constitution or legally-enacted edicta or decreta, Senatus
> Consulta or leges are being violated thereby;"

SCE: Quite right, that's the law.

> Me again:
>
> Therefore, a Tribune would be abusing his powers to veto a LEGAL
> law, edict, etc. because the Tribune disagreed with it.

SCE: Sure he can. However, I didn't stated that I would veto a legal
law or edict because I disagree with it. I would veto it ONLY in the
Spirit and/or Letter of the Consitutio. That means, again, that some
interpretations of it can be against former laws.

> The following is my earlier response to the question about a
> candidates readiness to use the veto:
>
> "The Tribune's veto (in my opinion) should only be used to protect
> the people from abuses of power.

SCE: This was the sense of words. Said with another words, but indeed
it.

> If a gens reform law was promulgated that forced civies to change
> their current gens arrangement against their will, as Tribune I
> would consider a veto if so appealed to by those cives."

SCE: Or any other reform law that can go against the people... it can
be a lot of different things.

> Me again:
>
> So, a Tribune's veto against "gens reform" would be appropriate if
> citizens rights, as outlined in the Constitution, were being
abused, > but not appropriate, if legally promulgated, just because
of a > disagreement over "policy".

SCE: Quite in the point. Now, what are those rights? When do we
consider them abused? That's the point I'll try to mark if I get to
the Tribunus Plebis office. But again, say "no" is to make a policy
in fact. And I won't play the role of a stepping-the-powers officer,
but the role of a Tribunus Plebis, who must defend the People. That's
all. Any other interpretation is just demagogic.

Thank for clarify the issue, Popillius Laenas. Your words can light
the dark side of some thoughts. Even mine. :-)

Vale bene,

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
- Candidate to Tribunus Plebis -


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Roman movies
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@gensmoravia.org>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:19:47 +0100

Salve Gaius Lanius Falco,

>Perhaps we could
>collaborate on a piece for the Sodalitas Musarum. What do you think?

Sounds good to me! We can discuss this off list.

Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] A question for Maximus-correction
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@gensmoravia.org>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:45:48 +0100

Salvete,
I'm very sorry, the original 'Maximuse' subject was a typing error. Just
like Thusday below should be 'Thursday".

I really shouldn't write emails while smoking a cigarette :-p

Valete,
Diana
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@gensmoravia.org]
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 november 2002 21:05
Aan: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] A question for Maximuse

Salve Q. Fabius Maximus,

You said on Thusday Nov 14 :
Actually I wanted to run for censor, with the upcoming census being a
defining moment in NR
history, I wanted to be a part of it. Alas, Pompeia Cornelia who was to
run
for consul resigned in the unfortunate incident on the main list, and I
stepped into the vacuum."

I think that I am not the only citizen who is sitting here wanting to ask
:
So why are you running for Consul Maximus? Since you have stated yourself
that the position of Consul isn't what interests you, a bit of a
clarification is in order I think.

And by "vacuum", what do you mean? Your statement insinuates that you are
running only to make sure that someone who can not be intimidated by you
doesn't win.

Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Away for the weekend
From:	equitius_marinus@yahoo.com
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:27:52 -0500

I will be away from home (and computer access) this weekend. I'm
off to visit a very sick friend for what I expect will be the last
time.

If anyone wants to tell me something that I'll be sure to see,
please send it to gawne AT cesmail DOT com, and not the mainlist.

Valete,

-- Marinus


Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FW:_Re:_[Nova-Roma]_Re:_The_=93S=93_Word?=
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:42:30 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
>
>>costed 5x what a regular did. Don't take me too seriously, just some
>>thoughts on the matter.
>>
>We are capable of achieving a civilisation of free individuals supported by slaves instead of all being reduced to wage slavery. We build the slaves. I am typing on the very beginnings of such capable of so much more. As for Men dreaming of female slaves, surely that is the wrong way round? Men used to do the slavery so women could stay at home running their family in their own time beholden to nobody. It is only the last 20 years that have taught them as Orwell put it “Slavery is freedom and freedom is slavery“ so they should sell themselves like men and ideally dump the kids in weekly boarding creches they had in the USSR so women could work equal to men - but men could not escape servitude equal to women.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: FW:_Re:_[Nova-Roma]_Re:_The_S_Word
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:52:21 -0800 (PST)

--- me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> -----Original Message-----

> >>
> >We are capable of achieving a civilisation of free
> individuals supported by slaves instead of all being
> reduced to wage slavery.

Wage Slavery is a phrase that was coined by Slave
owner John C Calhoun as part of an absurd effort to
show that his chatels were better off than the free
labor in the Northern USA.

It's still used by people who want replace freedom
with a system based on force.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gone but not Forgotten
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:04:58 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
>honor him for his actions at Saratoga. So, earlier this century, they
>erected a statue of Arnold's booted leg at Saratoga with a note that Arnold
>gave his leg for the fledgling United States.
>
This is wildly off-topic but I feel the hero Arnold who came back to the fold after his treachery is typical of many who want reform and are then appalled and try to retrench how far it has gone. His modern version is poor old Gorbachev, reviled for destroying the USSR he firmly believed could be reformed. Many have backed revolutionary change only to see the revolutionaries no more than replacing previous tyranny with their own, Kerensky in Russia against Lenin a prime example.

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Subject:	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FW:_Re:_[Nova-Roma]_Re:_The_=93S=93_Word?=
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:10:50 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
>
>>costed 5x what a regular did. Don't take me too seriously, just some
>>thoughts on the matter.
>>
>We are capable of achieving a civilisation of free individuals supported by slaves instead of all being reduced to wage slavery. We build the slaves. I am typing on the very beginnings of such capable of so much more. As for Men dreaming of female slaves, surely that is the wrong way round? Men used to do the slavery so women could stay at home running their family in their own time beholden to nobody. It is only the last 20 years that have taught them as Orwell put it “Slavery is freedom and freedom is slavery“ so they should sell themselves like men and ideally dump the kids in weekly boarding creches they had in the USSR so women could work equal to men - but men could not escape servitude equal to women.
>
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Sometimes the simple solutions are the best
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:24:10 -0000

Salve,

Even the blind can see and the deaf can hear that Gens Reform has
become a campaign issue and one thing that would go a long way
towards providing a solution to the problem of absent mater/paters
has been ignored. Personally I don't care if gens reform occurs
tommorow, next week, next month, or never. The Edictum Censoribus de
Libertate Gentilium takes care of the problem of people being stuck
in a gens they don't wish to be a part. Since the enactment of that
Edict I don't know of any cases of gens changing occuring. Which
kind of begs the question, "Was there really a problem to be solved?"
If there have been cases I am sure someone will inform me I am
wrong. The biggest problem with the current gens system is really
the inactive mater/pater problem and having citizens on the roster
who are merely a name and a number in a database.

Imagine for a moment that a real Census was funded. The Censors
would then know who is an active citizen and who no longer considers
him/herself a citizen but never bothered to formally renounce
citizenship. In the case of a one person gens and that one person no
longer considers him/herself a citizen the gens goes extinct. Sad,
but real bloodlines do go extinct and the virtual ones can as well.
At least there is the option that the Gens could be "resurrected" in
the future. In the case of small gens where the pater/mater is no
where to be found, once the absent mater/pater is striken from the
Citizenship roster the remaining members could decide among
themselves who shall be the gens' mater/pater. The problem of
absent mater/paters solved by merely acting upon the laws currently
on the books.

Gens Reform can wait, a funding for a real Census can not.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Sometimes the simple solutions are the best
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:36:00 -0600 (CST)

Salve Quinte Cassi,

> The Edictum Censoribus de Libertate Gentilium takes care of the
> problem of people being stuck in a gens they don't wish to be a part.
> Since the enactment of that Edict I don't know of any cases of gens
> changing occuring. Which kind of begs the question,
> "Was there really a problem to be solved?"

I have three fire extinguishers in my house, for which I paid about
thirty dollars each... yet I've never had a fire! Were they a waste
of money?

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Candidate for Censor 2756:
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Sometimes the simple solutions are the best
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:45:55 -0800

Ave

Depends on a number of factors. If the fire happens and your home burns up and your not able to use the extinguishers or they are not enough to put out the fires, then yes. But I think you see the point.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Sometimes the simple solutions are the best

Salve Quinte Cassi,

> The Edictum Censoribus de Libertate Gentilium takes care of the
> problem of people being stuck in a gens they don't wish to be a part.
> Since the enactment of that Edict I don't know of any cases of gens
> changing occuring. Which kind of begs the question,
> "Was there really a problem to be solved?"

I have three fire extinguishers in my house, for which I paid about
thirty dollars each... yet I've never had a fire! Were they a waste
of money?

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Candidate for Censor 2756:
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/

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