Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:26:50 +0000

Salve armini:

I already voted 3 times for the same people, and I think I could vote
more times, too. Something is wrong with the system.

Galerius Peregrinator.





>From: M Arminius Maior <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question
>Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:54:51 -0300 (ART)
>
>Salvete
>
> --- Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
><gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com> escreveu: > Well, I
>voted the first time: for censor there
> > is only one candidate,
> > and it is no problem there. Then there is Consul
> > and I could have only one
> > choice, but they're supposed to be 2 positions and 3
> > candidates. Then there
> > were the tribuni..etc, and again I could only check
> > one candidate. So I
> > went back again, and tried it again, and I voted
> > again for the same people,
> > Tribunus and Consul..etc. It doesn't seem right. I
> > think I could vote a
> > third time but haven't tried it. There are
> > positions without enough
> > candidates, why then am I restricted to one check
> > in?
>
>M.ARMINIUS: Well, our leges says that every citizen
>can vote only once for every position. So, you can
>only vote for one Censor, one Consul, one Tribune, one
>Quaestor... but this can change with both Leges
>Salicia de Sufragii approved. Then, you cold vote for
>four Questores, two Tribunes and two Rogatores.
>
>
> > Galerius Peregrinator.
> > >From: M Arminius Maior <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
> > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question
> > >Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:01:52 -0300 (ART)
> > >
> > >Salvete
> > >
> > > --- Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
> > ><gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com> escreveu: >
> > > >
> > > > Salvete:
> > > >
> > > > I thought there are multiple candidates for
> > > > multiple offices. How come
> > > > I could vote for only one candidate, as only one
> > > > Tribunus and only one
> > > > Consul?
> > >
> > >MAIOR: Our current law systems states that every
> > >citizen has the right to vote only once for each
> > >position. However, the Tribus or Centuria vote, as
> > a
> > >whole, for all positions available.
> > >For example, each tribe will give one vote for each
> > of
> > >the five most voted candidates for Tribune.
> > >
> > > > Galerius Peregrinator
>
>Vale
>Marcus Arminius Maior
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Endorsement - Decius Iunius Palladius for Praetor! :)
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:36:04 EST

Salvete,

Although I very seldom endorse candidates for Nova Roma elections, I do wish
to come before the Citizens of Nova Roma to endorse Decius Iunius Palladius
for the position of Praetor in the coming year.

Decius Iunius Palladius has been a steadfast member of Nova Roma since the
founding. He was one of the "first Romans" who was around at the founding
itself, and he assisted both Flavius Vedius Germanicus and myself in the
initial creation of Nova Roma by reviewing various legal documents and
infrastructure concepts.

However, it is not my long term association with Decius Iunius Palladius, nor
his long term involvement with Nova Roma which causes me to recommend him
for the office of Praetor.

Decius Iunius has a long history of service to our Micronation. He has served
our Republic as both Consul and Censor, is an active Senator, and he has also
served as Provincial Legate, and Lictor. Palladius has remained steadfast in
his dedication to Nova Roma, since before the founding - and it is truly
admirable that through all the 'interesting times' of the last few years he
is still willing to serve the Citizens of Nova Roma.

Yet Decius Iuniuis Palladius will bring more than long-term experience and a
good record of service to the office of Praetor. He is also a man of good
judgment, fair dealings, and a fine knowledge of "things Roman," skills that
are highly valuable in any Praetor candidate. I believe he has the skill and
knowledge to do the job well, as well as assemble a good working team of
assistants and scribes.

Although I am very pleased with *all* this years candidates, I shall be
casting my vote for Decius Iunius Palladius for the Praetorship. I hope that
you will take the time to learn more about this candidate and that you'll
agree that Palladius is the most desirable candidate for the Praetorship in
this election.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:41:42 -0600 (CST)

Salve Gai Galeri,

> I already voted 3 times for the same people, and I think I could vote
> more times, too. Something is wrong with the system.

No, it's working as designed. Only your first vote will be counted;
other votes with the same voter code will be thrown out.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Candidate for Censor 2756:
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Another Question for the Candidates
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:36:25 -0500

Sp. Postumius Tubertus Togis Candidatis S.P.D.

Salvete,

I realize voting has already commenced, however, this question is quite
important to me, a non-voting constituent, as it quite readily concerns me
at the highest degree. This is more directed to those who have put on the
toga candidata for the consulship than anyone else, but all are welcome to
respond. As well, this may be perhaps something for the electees to consider
next year.

I recently had a conversation with a former magistrate concerning the true
status of my citizenship. Regarding this, we looked to the Lex Vedia de
Liberis Civium, passed 18 December MMDCCLIV, and one paragraph of the
Constitution which it amends: Paragraph II.A.

That paragraph currently reads:

"1. Any person 18 years old or older may apply for Citizenship.
2. Citizens may apply for Citizenship on behalf of their children or legal
wards (as defined by relevant macronational law) under the age of 18. Such
Citizens shall be known as impuberes.
3. Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of ethnic heritage, gender,
religious affiliation, or sexual orientation.
4. Citizenship may be involuntarily revoked by those means that shall be
established by law, or may be voluntarily relinquished by notification of
the censors or by public statement before three or more witnesses. Impuberes
may have their Citizenship relinquished on their behalf by their parent or
legal guardian (as defined by relevant macronational law) by notification of
the censors or by public statement before three or more witnesses."

Being that I, unfortunately, do not have a parent who is a citizen, nor ever
was, de iure, I am not a citizen, or I am an illegal citizen, according to
the
Constitution and relevant law. However, de facto, I am a citizen, by the
practices of the Censors. I have as well reviewed the magisterial edicta and
Senatus consulta as published in the Tabularium, and have found no edict
regarding this topic. Therefore, my question is, what of this? What would
you, the candidates, propose to enact concerning this?

Optime Valete in Pace Sui Aeterna,

Spurius Postumius Tubertus, of the Gens plebeia Postumia
Retiarius Lacuum Magnorum
Scriba Praetorium
Scriba Curatoris Araneae
Discipolus Anno Tertio Linguae Latinae
Civis Lacuum Magnorum Provinciae
Civis Patriae Novae Romae, Optima Maxima

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" -- Q. Horati Flacci

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Philosophy list
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:44:42 -0600

Salve Gai Basilicate

> I don't believe I attacked their personalities, rather how they
> turned, or failed to turn, their philosophies into real life
> applications. I never said "Marcus Aurelius was a hypocrite",
> rather I pointed out actions of his that might leave a reasonable
> person to conclude that he was a hypocrite.

I doubt there has ever been a human being who was not a hypocrite at
some point in his or her life. And, people in positions of power are
called upon to make very difficult decisions in an environment that is
hardly conducive to virtue. Would you prefer to be governed by M
Aurelius, who at least made the attempt to lead a virtuous life, or by
e.g. Caligula, who did not.

> And I'm sure many illustrious forefathers would disagree with my
> statement. Bi-partisianship was a ridiculous and foriegn idea to
> Romans, I'm sure.

I'm not sure what bipartisanship has to do with the subject. The
ancient Romans were as diverse as we are today, and prone to divisive
and cooperative efforts alike.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New Nova Roma Philosophy List!
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:07:09 EST

Salvete,

The recent discussion about Roman Philosophy has brought forth an interesting
situation. Nova Roma was founded with the intent of offering content on
ancient philosophy as a part of Roman culture,
(see <A HREF="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/philosophy.html)">http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/philosophy.html)</A>, and we do have
Citizens interested in Philosophy - yet so far there has been no official
infrastructure for the discussion and practice of Philosophy among Nova Roma
Citizens.

I have therefore taken the time to start a new Yahoo group dedicated to the
various philosophies of the ancient Roman world - "Nova Roma Philosophy."

The Nova Roma Philosophy list website is up at:
<A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaPhilosophy/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaPhilosophy/</A>

Interested Citizens can subscribe by visiting that website and clicking the
"Join This List" link, or by sending a blank email to:
NovaRomaPhilosophy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

This list will be dedicated to the study, discussion and practice of the
various systems of Philosophy that existed in the ancient world. Hopefully it
will become a forum in which interested Citizens can not only learn more
about these ancient systems of thought and understanding, but also find ways
to put them to positive use in the modern world.

Hope to see you on the list!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus




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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:26:58 +0000

Salve Octavii Germanice, and thank you for the clarification.

Galerius Peregrinator.





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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:27:40 +0000

Salve Arminii Maior, and thank you for the information.

Galerius Peregrinator





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Attention Voters! Invalid voter codes
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:04:01 -0000

The voters who cast ballots with the following tracking numbers have
malformed or invalid voter codes:

#21070, #23045, #24068

Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is given, and if you
are unsure of your new code, follow my instructions posted previously
to obtain your current voter code by e-mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339

or write the censors.

Gratias!

---
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fw: [ARCHAEOLOGY_OF_ANCIENT_ROME] All About Pottery!
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:05:03 -0500

Salve, FYI

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform,
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:28:53 -0500

Salve, Yes but it also ended with them in that all of these one person Gens are CLOSED!
Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:52 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform,

In a message dated 11/17/2002 3:11:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spqr753@msn.com writes:

> Are all these heads of families widows and widowers with no children?

Every Gens out there had to start with one. There has to be a starting
point....

G. Modius Athanasius
(Currently in a Gens of one)


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:35:31 -0500

Salve,

Is it one Consulship occupied by two people or are there TWO Consulships and therefore TWO POSITIONS that we should be voting for?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus



----- Original Message -----
From: M Arminius Maior
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:02 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] voting question

Salvete

--- Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
<gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com> escreveu: >
>
> Salvete:
>
> I thought there are multiple candidates for
> multiple offices. How come
> I could vote for only one candidate, as only one
> Tribunus and only one
> Consul?

MAIOR: Our current law systems states that every
citizen has the right to vote only once for each
position. However, the Tribus or Centuria vote, as a
whole, for all positions available.
For example, each tribe will give one vote for each of
the five most voted candidates for Tribune.

> Galerius Peregrinator

Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: voting question
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:49:36 -0000

Salve Tiberi,

There are always two consuls: the one who receives the most votes is
elected senior consul, the one who receives the second-most votes
cast will become the junior consul.

Each person votes for only one candidate, regardless of the number of
positions available, and slots are filled in a similar manner to the
one I just describe above.

Hope this helps!

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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Is it one Consulship occupied by two people or are there TWO
Consulships and therefore TWO POSITIONS that we should be voting
for?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: voting question
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:56:38 -0500

Salve, Julilla Sempronia Magna

Thanks for the quick response. But why? The answer given my cousin said that each citizen got to vote for each POSITION ergo you get to vote for TWO Consuls etc.?

Vale,

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Julilla Sempronia Magna
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: voting question

Salve Tiberi,

There are always two consuls: the one who receives the most votes is
elected senior consul, the one who receives the second-most votes
cast will become the junior consul.

Each person votes for only one candidate, regardless of the number of
positions available, and slots are filled in a similar manner to the
one I just describe above.

Hope this helps!

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Is it one Consulship occupied by two people or are there TWO
Consulships and therefore TWO POSITIONS that we should be voting
for?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: voting question
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:53:18 -0000

Salve T. Galeri,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Thanks for the quick response. But why? The answer given my
>cousin said that each citizen got to vote for each POSITION ergo you
>get to vote for TWO Consuls etc.?

It is a good question you raise and one with no easy answers. I admit
that voting for one candidate when there is more than one open
position defies common sense and is a partial disenfranchisement of
the voter. There is a history behind this that can explain why this
system exists.

During Nova Roma's early elections one did vote for more than one
candidate. Unfortunately, due to the nature of our system--voting
within a tribe or century--much confusion was caused by two votes
being cast by each voter. Due to the small population of Nova Roma
most centuries at the time (and even the tribes didn't have many
people in them who voted) were one person centuries and two votes by
each voter negated each other. This caused numerous tied centuries
and various means had to be thought up to determine how a tied
century's vote was to be cast. It was decided to limit each voter to
one vote per candidate to lower the number of tied centuries. This
change was also claimed to be more historical though I have seen no
definitive information on that one way or the other. I objected to
this change at the time because I considered it a partial
disenfranchisement of the voter but in retrospect it seems to have
worked. Considering the paucity of candidates we generally get for
offices (generally as many candidates as open positions, rarely more)
the current system has not caused any great problems.

More than one vote per office--at least in the Comitia Centuriata--
still probably cannot work yet. We will need a larger voting
population which we just do not have yet. It was decided at the time
of the change to revisit this idea at a future date when we had a
considerably larger number of voters, that date has not yet arrived.
The Lex Salicia being offered to the Comitia Populi is a half measure
directed towards somewhat changing the number of votes one can cast
in that body. However, it is aimed more at preventing run-off
elections rather than an attempt to enfranchise voters, though its
effect would partialy do just that. If the law passes it will be
interesting to see in next year's elections how the mechanics of it
will work out.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Senator
Candidate for Praetor


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 304
From:	Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@welho.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:42:33 +0200

>Salve Diana!
> Waarom zijn we nog wakker? (=why are we both still awake).Must be that
> nothing interesting is on Kanaal 2 of VT4 tonight :-)
>
> MOS: Hmm... Altijd een beetje een nachtuil geweest. Mijn bioritme
>tijdens de week zal er ook wel iets voor tussen zitten :). (Hmm...
>Always been a bit of a night owl. My biorhythm during the week will
>also have had something to do with it :)).
>
> I hope that Saturninus' list has more success, but I am not too hopeful
> after reading your email :-)
>
> MOS: As long as there's hope, there's life!


Salvete,

If people want it to be active then it is and if not then it is not.
I'm just providing the possibility to be active on that area and a
"home" for it. So anyone who is interested to post or just to hang
around there and follow the discussions are equally welcomed.

Valete,
--
Caius Curius Saturninus

Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform,
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:14:36 EST

In a message dated 11/17/2002 11:30:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spqr753@msn.com writes:

> Salve, Yes but it also ended with them in that all of these one person Gens
> are CLOSED!
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

I think its crazy to completely close a Gens. Perhaps put some restrictions,
but never close it completely.

G. Modius Athanasius


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] VENATIO MAGNA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:28:25 -0800 (PST)

AVETE OMNES

We apologize for the delay. This last part of the
venationes had to be written by another citizen. This
citizen unluckily had several job problems.
However, now you can read the final part of our
combats!!!

-----------------------------------

> AT LAST..............THE MOMENT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING
> FOR!!!
>
> LIVE FROM THE CIRCUS FLAMINIUS, THE VENATIO MAGNA OF
> THE LUDI PLEBEI 2755
> AUC!!!
>
>
> Good afternoon, Dippea Magna here to offer you a
> play-by-play of the events
> of this illustrious event!!!
>
>
>
> We have just witnessed the Opening Ceremonies, the
> Relgious Offerings and
> the the combined musical, ahh 'efforts' of the two
> groups, the "Populares"
> and the "Optimates"......hmmm, perhaps these two
> groups should consider
> another career........politics perhaps! , hee hee.
> In either case, they
> should not give up their day jobs !!!!!
>
> The Circus Flaminius has been filled with water from
> the nearby Tiber River,
> about one meter in depth. Our glads are going to be
> wading in the water
> (hopefully not for too long) and are going to walk
> along the many ships and
> planks stationed in the waters of the Circus Arena.
>
> And what are they fighting??????
> CROCOCILES.....CROCODILES.....HMMM
>
> HUNGRY HUNGRY CROCOS, HUNGRY HUNGRY CROCOS!!!
>
> LOOK AT THESE BEASTS SWIMMING ABOUT, THEIR REPTILIAR
> SKINS GLEAMING
> UNDERWATER WITH THE HELP OF THE SUN.....AND LOOK AT
> THE TEETH!!!
>
> Each one of them would need three dentists each!!!
>
> Lets us introduce the sponsors and these brave
> fighters who will battle
> this rugged and merciless reptiles.
>
> ROSCIA ANNAEA PIA: She sponsors the fighter
> Purpureus, with a strength of
> 41 and a resistance of 42. Purpureus has already
> killed a Hippopotamus. He
> trains in the Ludus Matutinus. Annaea has the tidy
> sum of $5,833 sestertii.
>
> TIBERIUS APOLLONIUS CICATRIX, OUR PLEBIAN AEDILE!!!
> enters Entinus, with a
> strength of 31 and a resistance of 40. Entinus has
> killed a buffalo in a
> past encounter, and trains in the Ludus Matutuinus.
> He has $8,333 Sestertii.
>
> AMBROSIUS SILVANUS VIRBIUS, who still has $2,500
> after his wagers, sponsores
> IDAEA, with a strength of 28 and a resistance of 32.
> IDAEA, is new to the
> Venationes!!! She trains in the Ludus Matutinus.
>
> The fighters are not allowed to help each other.
>
> THE TEN CROCCODILES HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE RIVER
> NILE.
> Here are their standings:
>
> Fist Croc: str 20, res 30
> 2nd str 16 res 25
> 3rd str 20 res 21
> 4th str 19 -res 25
> 5th str 24 res 18
> 6th str 31 res 38
> 7th str 33 res 22
> 8th str 26 res 19
> 9th str 22 res 20
> 10 str 33 res 37
>
> The Crocodiles are not allowed to help each
> other.......
>
> Wait a sec.....I am not the swiftest thing on wheels
> here, but ahh, how are
> the judges going to enforce this with the
> crocodiles???.......time outs?,
> removal of privileges, modified behaviour
> therapy........spankings, guilt
> trips, social ostracisms.......?????
>
> Prison, crucifixions????
>
> THE FIGHTING ENSUES....
>
> Purpureus, carrying a pilum rushes along a ship and
> plank...He attempts to
> stab Croc #1 and misses, trys again and this time
> connects...he stabs croc #
> 5 as well.....he is on a role!
>
> Purpureus resistance 41, the first croc 16 and the
> 5th 2...this one was hit
> hard.
>
> Entinus sports a long chain, with a spiked ball
> attached.......he is on his
> knees from a plank and is just a swingin'!! The
> result?
>
> Entinus resistence 24, the 3rd croc, resistance of
> 7, the 4th croc 12, the
> 8th Croc, 8 and the 10th with a resistance of 29
>
> Idaea has a net and gladius (doh!!) But, little
> good the net has done
> she has managed to stab Croccie number 6 in the head
> between the eyes!
>
> Idaea resitance 28 and the 6th Croc, resistance 32
>
> Purpureus continues with his pilum after jumping
> from one ship to
> another.....reistance 41....attack unsuccessful so
> far...
>
> Entinus continues to swing his spiked ball with the
> fury of a tornado!
>
> Entinus resistance 24, the first Croc ,10, Oh, the
> THIRD AND THE FIFTH
> CROCOCILE ARE DEAD!!!
>
> OK, let's do a pulse check here shall we? Hee hee
>
> Idaea has an idea....she feeds one end of her net to
> Crocodile number
> two...Crocodile #9 grabs a bit of it too.....right
> now, she seems to have
> the two in tow.......
>
> Idaea resistance 25, Croc #2, resistance 11, and
> Croc #9, resistance 9
>
> Purpureus, still with command of his pilum, manages
> to harpoon Croccie
> number 2 and 4 leaving them both dead! Wow.....that
> was quick!
>
> Purpureus resistance 38
>
> Entinus does little at this point, except maybe to
> wear his arm
> out...resistance 10, the 6th croc 27, 7th 17 and the
> 10th 16.
>
> Idaea, with a resistance of 10, after managing to
> stab her captive Crocodile
> 9, still snagged by the teeth by her net. Croccie
> #9 is no more.... The
> 8th croc has a resistance of 7.
>
>
> Purpureus continues his pursuit. His resistance 38
> and the 6th crocodile,
> whom Purpureus has managed to poke some holes into,
> has a res of 11.
>
> WHAT'S THIS?????? AHHHHHHHHHH!!!
> ENTINUS AND IDAEA HAVE SLIPPED OFF THE PLANK THEY
> WERE BOTH STANDING ON AND
> ARE IN THE WATER.........AHHHOOOOO, YOU DON'T WANT
> TO KNOW.......DIPPEA DOES
> NOT WANT TO LOOK......ONE OF THE CROCCIES IS TRYING
> TO EAT THE SPIKED
> BALL.....OH, ENOUGH SAID HERE, FOLKS....TURN THE
> CAMERAS AWAY FOR A
> BIT......
>
> THIS IS THE MUSARUM TELEVISION NETWORK.......
>
> Ahh......of all the places to stand, there are 10 or
> so ships and planks
> conbined.......how unfortunate that these two
> fighters ended up both
> standing on such a confined area....
>
> In the melee of all this, the first crocodile has
> succumbed, and the 7th
> croc has a resistance of 17 and the 10 a resistance
> of 16.
>
> PURPUEUS IS MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE SEEKS VENGEANCE
> FOR HIS FIGHTER
> COMRADS.........HE LIFTS HIS ARMS TO THE CROWD AND
> VOWES THESE REPTILIAR
> BEASTS WILL PAY!!!!
>
> Purpureus with a res of 32, places his pilum deep
> within the throat of Croc
> #6, who is now 'no more'. Croc #8 was gutted in
> similar fashion, and is now
> dead. Cros #7 has a res of 3 and Croc #10 a res of
> 12.
>
> Purpureus has managed to stab the 7th Crocci with
> his pilum leaving him dead
> and the 10th croc with a resistance of only 3.
>
> Well, the 10th croc, who is weakened at this point,
> is an easy target for
> Purpureus. Purpureus is left with a resistance of
> 26 after finishing off
> crocodile 10, who is now dead.
>
> VICTOR PURPUREUS!!
>
> WHAT A DAZZLING DISPLAY OF PILUM ARTS, STRATEGY,
> FOOTWORK, AND
> DETERMINATION!!!
>
> THE CROWD GOES WILD....WHAT A DISPLAY OF BRAVERY!!!
>
> It should be mentioned that Roscia Annaea Pia will
> receive an additional
> $5000 sestertii award from the Ludi agreement made
> at the onset of these
> Venationes.
>
> Well, this brings the Venationes to a close, but not
> the final victory
> celebrations of the Ludi Plebeii.
>
> We hope that you might stay for these, but our
> coverage of this event is at
> an end.
>
> FROM THE MUSARUM TELEVISION NETWORK, WE WISH YOU
> BUONA FORTUNA ET BENE
> VALETE!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Lvdi Plebei - Latina's Odyssey - final part
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:30:43 -0800 (PST)

LATINA'S ODYSSEY

Citizens of Nova Roma, after a long and difficult
journey, Latina managed to come back, just in time for
the last day of the Ludi Plebei!

We absolutely want to know what happened during her
meeting with the Delphi's Oracle!

Ladies and gentlemen: Latina is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(only she hadn't the time to take a shower... hmm...
not nice...)

-Latina, has the pilgrimage been useful?
-Of course, it has! Now I have the answer I looked
for!
-So, which was the question you posed to the Oracle?
-I exactly asked "How can I lace up my caligae?"
-And what does the Delphi's Oracle answered?
-Well, the Oracle told me "Oh, I never learned how to
do it, but I usually wear this kind of shoes: I call
them <mocassinus>". They're nice! You don't need to
lace them up... that's a good invention! I bought 40
pairs. In addition I also received a lovely watch, the
"Oracle's watch". I consult it every time I want, and
it always gives me food for thought. Useful, isn't it?
-Sorry, Latina... what's the time?
-Ehm...I don't know... but... it could be late...
yea... it could...

Very nice our dear Latina. We are sure to see her
fighting during next Venationes, and it will be a
*great* show!!!!!!

Latina's Odyssey is concluded... perhaps it's a happy
end?
Perhaps.

BENE VALETE!!!!!!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ***VENATIONES*** FINAL RESULTS
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:34:02 -0800 (PST)

AVETE OMNES

Here below you can find the general situation of the
venationes, including the Sestertii for the winners!


LVDVS MATVTINVS

--Franciscus Apulus Caesar S 6,333 + 4,167 = 10,500
Aurum (str47-res24)
victims: buffalo, elephant

--Lucius Aulus Octavianus S 1,000 + 4,167 = 5,167
Memor (str45-res28)
victims: elephant

--Lucius Arminius Faustus S 48,000 + 4,167 = 52,167
Aquinca (str42-res28)
victims: 4 buffalos

--Raina Cornelia Aeternia - S 2,500 + 4,167 = 6,667
Proterva (str29-res)
victims: buffalo

--Tiberius Annaeus Otho S 5,833 + 4,167 = 10,000
TINGIS (str46-res37)
victims: bear, hippopotamus

--Roscia Annaea Pia S 5,833 + 4,167 + 5,000 (special
award) = 15,000
Purpureus (str41-res26)
victims: hippopotamus, 6 crocodiles in the Venatio
Magna

--Tiberius Claudius Lucentius Vindex S 10,333 + no
award, as the fighter gave up.
Callimorius (str33-res4)
victims: bruin
**Special Prize for the venator with the most
winsomely boyish sense of humour** :)

LVDVS LEONTINVM

--Sextus Apollonius Scipio S 17,666 + 8,333 = 25,999
Crispinus (str35-res11)
victims: bull, tiger

--Marcus Octavius Germanicus S 3,000 + 8,333 = 11,333
Demetrius (str31-res1)
victims: 2 bruins

--Caeso Fabius Quintilianus - S 15,666 + 8,333 =
23,999
Dania (str34-res11)
victims: hippopotamus, panther

LVDVS TAVRISCVM

--Artorius Arius Sarmaticus S 6,833 + 25,000 = 31,833
Victor (str49-res30)
victims: rhinoceros, tiger

LVDVS PENTASIVM

--Diana Moravia Aventina S 0 + 25,000 = 25,000
Latina (str44-res27)
victims: lion

------------------------------------------
Other participants of this edition:

--Salix Galaicus S 17,666

--Prima Rutilia Nocta S 2,500

--Titus Arminius Genialis S 4,500

--Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix S 8,333

--Ambrosius Silvanus Virbius S 2,500

------------------------------------------
Other participants of past edition:

--Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili S 8,833
Baccibus (str43-res39)
victims: bruin

--Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus S 8,333
Invictus (str48-res37)
victims: panther

--Marcus Apulus Caesar S 8,333
Afer (str42-res42)
victims: bruin

--Patricia Cassia S 8,833
Aquila (str34-res51)
victims: elephant

--Caius Rubellius Rufus S 8,333
Mamertinus (str39-res49)
victims: buffalo

--Claudius Iulius Claudianus S8,833
Licentiosus (syt42-res38)
victims: bull

--Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus S 0

--Tiberus Ullerius Faber S 2,500

--Amulius Equitius Germanicus S 500

--Tiberius Popillius Iulianus S 5,500

--Marcus Iulius Perusianus S 0

--Marcus Varius Pullus S 4,000

------------------------------------------

Thank you for taking part to the second edition of the
Venationes!!!

OPTIME VALETE
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] New Nova Roma Philosophy List!
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@gensmoravia.org>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:02:22 +0100

Salve Marcus Cassius Julianus,

[>] > I have therefore taken the time to start a new Yahoo group dedicated
to the
[>] > various philosophies of the ancient Roman world - "Nova Roma
Philosophy."
[>] > The Nova Roma Philosophy list website is up at:
HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaPhilosophy/

I'm a bit confused. Is it that Caius Curius Saturninus made a Roman
Philiosphy list for NR citizens on Nov 16 2002 and now you've made a second
one on Nov 18? So three days ago, we had no philosophy list and now we have
two?

There are 11 people subscribed to romanphilosophy@yahoogroups.com and 9
to NovaRomaPhilosophy@yahoogroups.com and they are probably the same people.
Maybe the 2 moderators (Julianus and Saturninus) can talk and scrap one of
the lists?

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Endorsements
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:04:46 -0000

AVETE OMNES

I want to express my full support to the following candidates for
next elections.
Before doing that, I just want to make you know that I worked with
nearly all of them, and even met some of them.
As a consequence, I am absolutely sure about their great worth!

>>>Consul
§§§ Caeso Fabius Quintilianus §§§
I met him during the meeting he organized in Europe as Curule Aedile.
I couldn't imagine a better person to hold this magistracy!
In my opinion his best quality is *doing* things. He is not that kind
of person which talks, talks and nothing more.
In addition, he never works alone. He doesn't want to impose his own
ideas. He has several guidelines, but he knows that the main
constituent of Nova Roma is Her People.

>>>Censor
§§§ Marcus Octavius Germanicus §§§
This dedicated citizen already showed his willingness working hard as
Consul and Curator Araneum.
I am Legatus in Provincia Italia, and often had to ask him for
information and help. He has always been available and never
neglected my messages. This is a very important feature in the Censor
office.
As we know, another important element of this office is the time. One
need a lot of time to fulfil the duties of Censorship, and Octavius
Germanicus didn't present his candidacy as Curator Araneum. This will
give him more time to dedicate to the office he is running for.

>>>Praetor
§§§ Gnaeus Salix Astur §§§
This citizen definitely deserves your trust.
He already showed his abilities by proposing us a very good law for
the Nova Roma judicial system. It surely wasn't an easy task!
Yes, I like serious and working citizens, and Astur is definitely one!

>>>Curule Aedile
§§§ Franciscus Apulus Caesar §§§
Please, just take a look at the huge work he did in Provincia Italia
as Propraetor and at the games he organized in the group of
Quintilianus!
He got a lot of experience on this matter. I know him rather well: he
is my best friend in Nova Roma. He is the best citizen for this
office, believe me! ;)

>>>Tribunus Plebis
§§§ Diana Moravia Aventina §§§
I met her during the meeting organized by Quintilianus. She is a hard
worker and is willing to dedicate herself to this office and to Nova
Roma.
It is my belief that our Res Publica would get advantage by having
her virtues in such a position!

>>>Quaestor
Well, I am running for Quaestor... but as I already said, we need a
number of good Quaestors in Nova Roma, and an excellent citizen
holding this office would surely be §§§ Sextus Apollonius Scipio §§§.
I met him too at the European meeting organized by Quintilianus.
Willingness, dedication, good ideas, cleverness... I would be glad to
work with him! ;)

OPTIME VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
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Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
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Scriba Translationvm Academiae Thvles
Scriba Areanae et Sermonis Societatis Ivventvtis Romanae
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PROVINCIA ITALIA
http://italia.novaroma.org
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http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/constantinia-en.html
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Duplicate Roman Philosophy List
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:50:15 EST

Very simple - I had no idea whatsoever that anyone HAD established a prior
list. There was a thread on the main list entitled "Roman Philosophy List",
but I followed the thread all the way back to the beginning (at least I
thought I had) but it didn't look like anyone had actually founded a list.

I went on Yahoo to check immediately after, (just to make sure I hadn't
missed anything) and typed "Roman Philosophy" into the Yahoo Groups search
engine - and came up with an answer that there were no Nova Roma groups on
philosophy. Therefore I created one.

I am amazed that I couldn't find the announcement... I followed the thread
through all the "Re: Roman Philosophy List" through to the first message
without an "Re:". That message simply asked "Is there a Roman Philosophy List
in Nova Roma? If so, should one be started?

I'm writing to Caius Curius Saturninus this morning in the hopes that we can
sort something out. The "NovaRomaPhilosophy" list already has 10 people
subscribed to it, and there's conversation going... even though it's a
duplicate list I hate to summarily delete it without talking with folks.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus



Diana Moravia Aventina writes:

[>] > I have therefore taken the time to start a new Yahoo group dedicated
to the
[>] > various philosophies of the ancient Roman world - "Nova Roma
Philosophy."
[>] > The Nova Roma Philosophy list website is up at:
HREF="<A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaPhilosophy/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaPhilosophy/</A>

I'm a bit confused. Is it that Caius Curius Saturninus made a Roman
Philiosphy list for NR citizens on Nov 16 2002 and now you've made a second
one on Nov 18? So three days ago, we had no philosophy list and now we have
two?

There are 11 people subscribed to <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/post?protectID=194233014237078219170056001024229063041058100196169079079055048201210143030150043098201196026">romanphilosophy@yahoogroups.com</A> and 9
to <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/post?protectID=241233018237068190072098132004231130078222066254128098161126077059143143157227073025078100211158086206">NovaRomaPhilosophy@yahoogroups.com</A> and they are probably the same people.
Maybe the 2 moderators (Julianus and Saturninus) can talk and scrap one of
the lists?

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Voter code request
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:36:09 +0000 (GMT)

Salve Marce Octavi,

Thanks for the information.

Rhetorical question: If someone were to get hold of
anothers voter code and use it before the appropriate
user, how would the appropriate user be made aware of
this? You stated on the main list that subsequant
votes with the same voter code are discarded. Given
that the user is not informed of this at the time, it
is theoretically possible that my vote this morning
(GMT) could have been invalid if someone else had used
my voter code prior to this. Would it not be advisable
to inform the voter if this happens?

I shall cc this to the main list for general
information.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

> No harm done... regardless of who requests it, it
> always gets mailed
> to the email address we have on file for you. As
> long as you still
> control that address, you'll be the only one who can
> see the result
> of that mailing, and thereby receive your code.
>
> Vale, Octavius.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Duplicate Roman Philosophy List
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@gensmoravia.org>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:49:13 +0100

Salve Marcus Cassius Julianus,

> I'm writing to Caius Curius Saturninus this morning in the hopes that we
can
[>] > sort something out. The "NovaRomaPhilosophy" list already has 10
people
[>] > subscribed to it, and there's conversation going... even though it's a
[>] > duplicate list

[>] I hate to summarily delete it without talking with folks.
I agree. A "merge" of lists is the best solution! I'm sure that you and
Saturninus can work something out, especially since the both of you only had
the best interests of NR in mind--to quickly make a Philosophy list.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: ***VENATIONES*** FINAL RESULTS
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:54:11 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@y...>
wrote:
> AVETE OMNES
>
> Here below you can find the general situation of the
> venationes, including the Sestertii for the winners!

> --Lucius Arminius Faustus S 48,000 + 4,167 = 52,167
> Aquinca (str42-res28)
> victims: 4 buffalos
>

Eheheeh... again I´m the richest... may I spend it on bribes on the
current election? A very roman thing of the last days of the Republic!

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus
FAUSTUS FOR QUESTOR! (Bribing or not, vote in me!)


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] ***VENATIONES*** FINAL RESULTS
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:09:43 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes,

--- Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it> wrote:
> AVETE OMNES
>
> Here below you can find the general situation of the
> venationes, including the Sestertii for the winners!
>

thank you very much for the wonderful venationes!! I had good laughs reading the stories
of the fights...
A special thank to Manius Constantinus Serapio. He proved again that he is a very
dedicated citizen and deserved to be elected as Quaestor!!

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Candidate for Quaestor

My program at: http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Quaestorship/

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Gens Reform,
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:10:24 US/Central

Salvete Gai Modi omnesque

> I think its crazy to completely close a Gens. Perhaps put some restrictions,
> but never close it completely.

The problem is that the pater or mater familias must give his or her permission
to any applicant who wishes to join his or her gens. Silence in this case is
not approval, so a gens with an inactive leader is effectively closed. I can
think of two measures off the top of my head that ameliorate this problem.

The first is my edictum (which was suggested by L Sicinius) allowing the
praetores to act in the place of unresponsive patres and matres familias.
However, that edictum does not allow the praetores to consider petitions from
non-citizens.

The second, and most important, is the yearly registration of patres and matres
familias, which is mandated by the Lex Cornelia de Tabulis Gentium
Novaromanorum Agendis ( http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-02-27-
i.html ). This yearly registration is our equivalent to the ancient census.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Attention Voters! Invalid voter codes
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:16:02 -0000

The cives with the following voter tracking codes have malformed or
inaccurate voter codes:

#23065, #24096, #21099

Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is given, and if you
are unsure of your new code, follow my instructions posted previously
to obtain your current voter code by e-mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339

Or you may write the censors.

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: ***LAW CASE CONTEST*** FINAL RESULTS!!!
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:25:30 -0000

Manius Constantinus Serapio writes:

> WINNER - Renata Corva: 24+23+29+29 = 105
> 2nd - Gnaeus Equitius Marinus: 26+23+9+29 = 87
> 3rd - Spurius Postumius Tubertus: 15+21+15+27 = 78
> 4th - Quintus Fabius Maximus: 9+24+8+11 = 52
> 5th - Marcus Marcius Rex: 18
>
> Congratulations to Renata Corva!!!!!!!! :)

Congratulations indeed! Wonderful analysis Renata Corva. It was
a pleasure to read your judicial opinions.

My thanks to all who participated. Quite an educational exercise.
I wish that Marcus Marcius Rex had been able to participate more
fully, as I imagine his legal reasoning would have been most
instructive.

-- Marinus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebeii - Epigram contest award!!!
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:18:48 -0000

Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix writes:

> WINNER: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus - 80%
>
> 2. Numerius Cassius Niger - 79%
> 3. Lithia Cassia - 73%
> 4. Tiberius Annaeus Otho - 71%
> 5. Renata Corva - 70%
> 6. Spurius Postumius Tubertus - 52%
>
>
> Many congratulations to all participants, and
> especially to our winner, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus!

Thank you Cicatrix. Thanks also to the other participants
in this competition. Worthy efforts by all, and it's an
honor to compete against you. I look forward to seeing you
all in the Musarum.

> As promised, our winner will receive the book "A
> Garden Of Roman Verse".

I shall treasure it.

-- Marinus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voter code request
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:12:16 -0600 (CST)

Salve Decime Iuni,

> Rhetorical question: If someone were to get hold of
> anothers voter code and use it before the appropriate
> user, how would the appropriate user be made aware of
> this?

The Rogatores might later announce the tracking numbers of duplicate
votes, and an observant citizen might see his vote numbers in that
list.

Unfortunately, with our current laws, all he can do is complain - the
first vote from that code cannot be eliminated.

The only good defenses right now are to keep your voter code secure
and show it to no one, and to vote early enough in the process that
it won't be likely anyone will guess your code and get in with it
before you.

With our current format, there are 15 million possible legitimate
codes, so it's not likely anyone will get one by random guessing.
New codes were issued to all just a few days before the election,
in order to reduce the value of codes that may have been "stolen"
in the past.

Another useful solution would be to provide a form that could
be filled out, stating that the earlier vote was fraudulent,
authorizing its removal and investigation to find the offender.
The law would have to change to permit this, as right now we
can't do it.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Candidate for Censor 2756:
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Sorry
From:	"elinla02" <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:47:03 -0000

Salvete romani,

I didn't want to incite any discussion about Islam, simply remembered
the names of the Goddesses of that arabic pagan belief as a way to
keep them alive.
Please, if you want, let's stop this conversation about the
monotheistic religions and return to our ourselves.

Valete bene.
Valeria Constantina Iuliana.




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Philosophy
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:32:21 -0500 (EST)

My Philisophical Friends:

While Philosophy is a basis for every single living person, in my view,
whether they realize it or not, it seems to be a topic which has little
interest for a detailed discussion. I suspect the reason for this is
that the "philosopical outlook" of most individuals is not equated to a
given identified philosophy, or a set of beliefs which is identified as
such.

I took a Philosophy Course in College, and rather than discuss the
different basic philosophies of the ages, as a basis for further
discussion, the class opted to move directly into basic philosophical
differences in the modern day, which came to light in conflict over the
needs of the indivdual, as opposed to the needs of the organization, to
which the individual belonged.

While the class devoted to these tenents was very interesting it did not
aquaint me with the basics of the topic that I should have recieved.

Perhaps one of the first things that the Philosophy Group should
endeavor to do is to identify the different major philosophies, with a
brief explanation of each, as well as a reference or two for each to
provide a deeper explanation of the attributes and founder of each set
of Beliefs.

Perhaps following that, a discussion of the philosophies which were
being taught during the period to which we are interested.

My interest in Philosophy is in my need to constantly control a flaming
temper, and the continuous battle mentally to refrain from settling an
idiot's disruption of the orderly process of events around me with a
sturdy oaken staff! While I am fully aware that such an action is
negative to the law and to established standards in most civilized
areas, it still remains a strongly preferred solution, in the settling
of certain situations, such as insulting a woman, in my presence, or the
use of totally inappropriate language and / or gestures in the
enviroment where such are both unecessary and provoking. I am well
aware of my shortcomings in these areas, and I thought perhap a better
understanding of Philosophy might help me to gain a better view and
perhaps control of my obvious problems.

If such has already been done, let me advance my apologies, for my late
entry into this area.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Philisophical Novice

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A question for Maximuse -Maximus statement
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:54:27 -0000

---Salvete Omnes:

I was given word about this post, and I am going to clarify my
position. My comments below:


In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/15/02 12:07:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> diana@g... writes:
>
>
> > So why are you running for Consul Maximus? Since you have stated
yourself
> > that the position of Consul isn't what interests you, a bit of a
> > clarification is in order I think.
> >
> > And by "vacuum", what do you mean? Your statement insinuates that
you are
> > running only to make sure that someone who can not be intimidated
by you
> > doesn't win.
> >
> > Diana Moravia Aventina
> >
>
> Salve Diana Moravia et al.
>
> <Sigh> To clarify. Yes, I wanted to run for Censor. Yes, I was
asked by
> Pompia Cornelia to run for Consul instead, since we had worked
closely
> together this year.

POMPEIA; I DID NOT SAY THIS.

Although with the experience of Q. Fabius, being a previous consul
and praetor, of which I do not question, I do not know how I would
have faired contesting him, and if there were any firm plans conveyed
to me about his decision to run for Consul, I may have taken same
into consideration. The outcome of this consideration? I don't know,
and it hardly matters at this point.

The agenda presented by Senator Fabius pretty much parallels what I
would offer the populace as Consul, plus or minus a thing or two.

I was indeed anticipating running for Consul. I had informed the
Senate and my provincial staff of my intent to do so,
after 'negotiating' with my husband, who initially was dead set
against my running for another office.

However, it became clear that the religious climate within the past 2
weeks prior to my resignation was such that I do not think many were
comfortable with a Consul who does not practise the religio, even a
tolerant nonpractitioner. This is fine. This made me doubt my
ability to serve you adequately. Although this is not the consensus
of 'all' of you, it was, lately, with a moderate number of you, and
you are certainly entitled to make your needs known, either
expressly, or through implication.

I took my birthday off, and the dialogue became so explosive, that I
had quite a mess to mop up. The list guidelines were not followed
(if we had complete freedom of speech, there would be no list
guidelines, nor any Yahoo policies). There is a clause in the list
guidelines about civility of religious discussions, by the way.



I felt at this point, that to continue as list moderator/ Praetor
would not be upholding those things of my oath of office, or my
personal convictions. I do not call blatent displays of religious
intolerance, personal flames and the like a) in the best interests of
the Roman people b) an honour to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome c)
conducive to our unity or our website language, which says 'welcome'
and d) although the language of our constitution needs correction,
such postings go well against the intent of the constitution which
was penned by a nonpractitioner, to wit, a Germanic heathen.

Given the language of the constitution, I could not adequately offer
any judicial recourse to those nonpractitioners who were unsettled by
the debates of October 29.

With my work fulfilled pretty much for the year, to wit, some civil
law progress in the Gens reform statement Fabius kindly rewrote into
lex format for me, the bulk of the list moderation handled, save two
months (Labienus can do this for a couple of months, or appoint
scribes :)), the list guidelines rewritten, to accommodate languages
other than English, and some guidelines for civility in religious
discussions, my obligations with the Ludi (Plebian Aediles)
fulfilled, and outstanding queries of a Praetoral nature....my work
was pretty much done for you.

But alas, I don't like religious intolerance, unless members of a
religion are spreading hate, violence, etc. (El
Quaida).....like 'today'....not 2000 years ago :) And I don't like
to help promote it. It has been the cause of multiple deaths, and in
the final analysis, only 'we' believe or disbelieve things...nobody
can coherce us...religion is so very personalized.



At the expense of upsetting maybe one or two orthodox religious
practitioners, I consulted an augry prior to taking on the
governorship in 2000. It was positive and the text in archived at
the provincial website. It was taken by a pontiff of Nova Roma. So I
don't think the Gods/Goddesses are as prejudiced as one might think.
My feeling is that Apollo certainly isn't. He was known by so many
names in so many different cultures.

The 'only' thing I did was take off my purple stripe and resign my
governorship and magistracies, but I didn't resign my outstanding
work, by any means.

My Procurator, A. Tullius Marcellus Cato, had agreed to assume the
governorship while I ran for Consul, and he is managing the provincia
in my absence.

If the price of wearing the above is to sit on the list, and listen
to inflaming posts, which does little good for anyone, when the list
guidelines are not followed in my absence by my superior to any
reasonable effort for the benefit of civility, then pray tell, what
is the point? When the balloon is in the air, I can't fly up and
catch it. I didn't agree to do this :)

But I have pretty much done everything I have agreed to do, and
everything commanded by my oath.

And now you are faced with other choices...and I would imagine there
are a few rivals out there who are quite happy...I am contentious and
I ask questions regarding legalities of things, details, I think when
I 'shouldn't'...but I am like that. It is not intended as personal in
nature, but rather a case in point, or just questioning whether
certain things might set dangerous precedents, stuff like that.

There are always those who will judge and say that someone in my
position did the 'wrong' thing. What's new? No, under the same
circumstances, I would do it again, and I wouldn't expect anyone else
to act any differently.

"To thine own self be true"

I hope this sets the record straight, and renders correction to the
assertion that I personally asked anyone else to run in my stead.

Be well, and without resentment or prejudice to the general populus.


Po :)

"Say, yunno, I just subscribed and I was spot checking the
posts..........where is master Agnorius???"


Yes, I'm the conservative choice, since I believe the
> people should have a choice, in the tradition of Republic.
> I do not favor quick and hasty Gens reform. Why cause disruption
if it is
> not needed? This is not a life or death matter. There will be
Gens reform,
> we cannot keep the current system. But as Minucius says and I hope
I'm not
> misquoting him, we need imput from the people before we write a
lex, because
> we cannot keep revisiting this problem.
> Yes, you are correct Gemius, I want to protect everybody's rights,
from the
> lowly Filiusfamilias to the Paterfamilias during this reform.
Because that
> is fair. And Labienus is correct in that the Religio is
strengthened by the
> reform.
> I spoke to Labienus during the weeks we were writing a proposal, he
knows my
> concerns and I his.
> First don't we have take the census? Is not that the one most
important
> factor in our lives right now in the Republic? Are you not curious
to know
> how many citizens are active and inactive? Through that we can
eliminate
> inactive PFs, something that was the number one concern of all the
people who
> wrote me, and which also seems the vocal concern on this list.
> We must set up the courts. We must bind the Nova Roma citizens to
the cause.
> They must respect all magistrates, they must want to pay their
dues. We
> need all these things to work if we are to carry out our Sacred
mission to
> activate the nation of Rome, physically. We have proven it will
work
> virtually, now we must get it to work physically.
> I keep quoting Virgilus. "Rome was not built in a Day." I repeat,
we must
> move forward, but at a sober pace.
> I appreciate your vote.
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Another Question for Candidates
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:47:47 -0800 (PST)

Salve, Spuri Postumi--

Sp. Postumius said:

Salvete,

I realize voting has already commenced, however, this
question is quite important to me, a non-voting
constituent, as it quite readily concerns me at the
highest degree. This is more directed to those who
have put on the toga candidata for the consulship than
anyone else, but all are welcome to respond. As well,
this may be perhaps something for the electees to
consider next year.

I recently had a conversation with a former magistrate
concerning the true status of my citizenship.
Regarding this, we looked to the Lex Vedia de
Liberis Civium, passed 18 December MMDCCLIV, and one
paragraph of the Constitution which it amends:
Paragraph II.A.

That paragraph currently reads:

"1. Any person 18 years old or older may apply for
Citizenship.

2. Citizens may apply for Citizenship on behalf of
their children or legal wards (as defined by relevant
macronational law) under the age of 18. Such Citizens
shall be known as impuberes.

3. Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of ethnic
heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual
orientation.

4. Citizenship may be involuntarily revoked by those
means that shall be established by law, or may be
voluntarily relinquished by notification of the
censors or by public statement before three or more
witnesses. Impuberes may have their Citizenship
relinquished on their behalf by their parent or
legal guardian (as defined by relevant macronational
law) by notification of the censors or by public
statement before three or more witnesses."

Being that I, unfortunately, do not have a parent who
is a citizen, nor ever was, de iure, I am not a
citizen, or I am an illegal citizen, according to
the Constitution and relevant law. However, de facto,
I am a citizen, by the practices of the Censors. I
have as well reviewed the magisterial edicta and
Senatus consulta as published in the Tabularium, and
have found no edict regarding this topic. Therefore,
my question is, what of this? What would you, the
candidates, propose to enact concerning this?

Renata Corva responds:

I just got through reading the leges in the Tabularium
as research for the rogator position, so I recall the
leges you are referring to.

I think, in the case of an underage citizen or
applicant such as yourself, whose parents are not
citizens of Nova Roma, I would advocate the writing of
legislation allowing for the sponsorship of underage
applicants by adult citizens of Nova Roma in good
standing, who are Assidui. My first draft of this
kind of legislation would go as follows:

(Hypothetical Lex Corva de Impuberibus)

Purpose: To permit citizenship for underage
applicants lacking a parent or legal guardian who is a
citizen of Nova Roma.

Inasmuch as there are persons below the age of 18 who
might wish to become active, productive citizens of
Nova Roma, but who have no parent or legal guardian
who is a citizen of Nova Roma to speak for them, this
hypothetical lex allows for the sponsorship of such an
underage applicant (hereafter referred to as
'impubere') by a current citizen of Nova Roma.

1. All applicants for Nova Roman citizenship who are
1) below the age of 18 at the time of application and
who 2) have no parent or legal guardian who is
currently a citizen of Nova Roma, shall be sponsored
by a current citizen in good standing of Nova Roma.

A. A sponsor shall meet the following requirements:

1. Must be at least 21 years of age.
2. Must be an Assidui.
3. Must have the signed, written permission of the
impubere's parents or legal guardian, as defined by
macronational law, to act as the impubere's sponsor in
the micronation of Nova Roma. The original of this
document shall be kept on file by the Censores. This
document shall include the sponsor's macronational
name, physical address, and telephone number (if
applicable), in addition to the sponsor's Nova Roman
name and email address (if applicable).

2. The period of sponsorship shall last from the time
of application until the impubere's 18th birthday.

3. In the event of the loss of Assidui status,
citizenship, or death of the sponsor:

A. Should the sponsor become Capite Censi without
notice, his sponsorship shall be revoked. Should the
sponsor die or otherwise lose citizenship, the
impubere and/or his family shall select a new sponsor,
and the parents or legal guardian of the impubere
shall submit a new, signed, permission statement to
the Censores.

B. Should the sponsor inform the Censores before the
annual tax deadline date that he is financially unable
to pay taxes that year but wishes to continue his
sponsorship, he may do so at the Censores' discretion.

4. Duties of the Sponsor

A. To introduce the impubere to the community of Nova
Roma, to instruct the impubere in what is and is not
considered polite behavior in the public fora, and to
do what is possible to ensure the impubere's safety in
the public fora.

B. To inspire by example and to encourage the
impubere's existing interest in Roman culture and
history.

(End of hypothetical lex text)

Does that seem reasonable?

---
Renata Corva

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Unsung Hero....AVE AVE!!!!!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:30:08 +0000

Salvete Omnes:

Just a couple of election comments:

A man who has been of invaluable help in drafting leges, edicta, rendering
advice to diverse magistrates, and advocating for the populace of Nova Roma
is Propraetor Lucius Sicinius Drusus.

His work in the gens reforms pretty much serves as the platform for any
proposals subsequent to that, including my own. His language lex regarding
the translators, to make our laws available in multiple languages was an
excellent outreach work. His advocacy of the rights of *all* citizens, even
at the potential expense of his own popularity near election time is
commendable, and is a testiment to his integrity and virtue.

His studies of Roman law are quite evident in the work and advice he has
rendered Nova Roma, via several magistrates, and his willingness to serve is
obvious in the many hours he has dedicated, in the absence of being a senior
magistrate.

Perhaps it is time we collectively correct this, and make him a senior
magistrate....for our own good and growth ???

Of a conservative ilk, indeed (not always a bad thing !:). But not
convervative to the extent of grandiosity or discomfort to the organization.
He bends to his own thoughts of what is just and appropriate, offering
political alliance in only those areas where his conscience will allow. I
am sure of this, after knowing him as long as I have, and having had the
opportunity to work more closely with him.

We have been at opposite ends of the ring at times at the Junior Consul's
headquarters :), but he has nonetheless proven to be invaluable in many
areas concerning the growth of the republic, and I must come forth, for what
it is worth, and applaud him, as this credit is due.

I have had the opportunity to chat with him on the phone. Email is very
deceiving...Druse is a warm, friendly dude, with a great sense of humour and
an empathy for people which does not show up in his emails by a long shot,
in his discussions of law, Nova Roma et al. He loves his Gods/Goddesses.

I will visit the Cista, and my dot will be placed beside his name.

L. Sicinius Drusus, the logical and proven choice for Praetor of Nova Roma
2756 AUC.

Buona Fortuna Druse :)

Po (One of your biggest fans)





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Some Further Thoughts for the Future
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:30:49 +0000

Salvete Omnes:

When I evaluate a candidate for Consul, I look at, his/her proven ability to
work in various avenues for the republic, rather than mere promises to 'get
going' once elected....

I am forced to view not so much whether or not a candidate is 'liberal' or
'conservative' per se, but how extreme or how reasonable they behave within
the parameters of these basic political ideals......either camp is equally
dangerous if employed to extremes. We cannot be unrealistic or grandiose in
our thinking, as much as we like to dream, we are currently to much an
extent a prisoner of reality, for better or worse.

I also look at how this person views justice....is justice a respector of no
one person, or his view of justice partisan towards those of certain ideas
politically, religious venues and the like?

Is he a friend to those who make an honest effort and are sincere, or does
he judge people soley on the basis of successful outcomes for himself?

Is he consistent with opinions.....or does he state one thing one week, then
do a complete 360 the next and state something totally different?

When he is absent, does he let his colleagues know when such absence is
anticipated?

Does he answer his mails, or employ scribes to do so?

Is he realizing that there is no such thing as the 'perfect Roman' or the
perfect Nova Roma? Does he know that the minute a human being joins Nova
Roma, Nova Roma becomes imperfect? Is he willing to work with imperfect
human beings to produce the best Nova Roma possible?

Is he concerned with his own power base, or does he look upon this high
office as an opportunity to serve, as well as to enjoy due honour?

The man who most adequately displays this profile to date for the senior
consulship in my humble opinion is

CAESO FABIUS QUINTILLIANUS

Buona Fortuna, and my prayers for your success will be with you.

**************

The Tribunate

Well, I have always regarded Lucius Pompeius Octavianus as eager,
intelligent, kind and fair, and if, given the current economic climate of
Argentina, he can keep an active provincia going, I am sure he will do well
as a Trib.

Our Consular Quaestor Gaius Laneus Poplitius has been relentless in
assisting Nova Roma in collection of taxes, record keeping and the like. A
fair and honest man, I would strongly urge you to consider him for Tribune.
These are certainly not the only good candidates, but these two citizens
come directly to mind.





To those candidates uncontested, I am sure you will all do well, and I wish
you the best in your future duties. G. Equitius Marinus and F. Apulus Caesar
will make great Curule Aediles, and Manius Constantius and Sextus Apollonius
Scipio will make excellent quaestors, I am sure.

Bene valete,
Pompeia





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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Voter code request
From:	"danedwardsuk" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:12:04 -0000

Salve Marce Octavi,

Once again, I appreciate your reply.

>The Rogatores might later announce the tracking numbers of duplicate
>votes, and an observant citizen might see his vote numbers in that
>list.

What about my initial suggestion, informing the voter that he has already voted and thus his/her subsequent vote is being 'discarded'. Thus, we would all know immediately if someone has used our voter code before us. Is this not a possibility with the current system?

Vale

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Gens Reform Proposal: Labienus, Cornelia, Fabius, Sicinius, et al et al..
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:26:30 -0000

Pompeia--I like your gens reform proposal very much. It adresses the
issues I had with gens reform, and it even incorporates an idea I had
that I was privately calling 'The Simple Solution to Gens Reform.'
I'm glad to know that what I was thinking is not too 'way out there.'

The only thing I still don't really understand is the Gens Agreement
concept. Could you give an example?

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gens Reform Proposal: Labienus, Cornelia, Fabius, Sicinius, et al et al..
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:53:39 +0000

Salvete Omnes:

I notice there has been some talk on Gens Reforms. I never did send this
out to the populace, but first presented it to the Senate. It was stuck in
html code, and the Senior Consul reformatted it back into text a while back.

Although there has been some criticism of the writing (I think Q. Fabius did
a pretty good job of the format, myself) but I will let you be the judge.
Perhaps some of the ideas will be considered viable to the future
magistrates. I think that we will probably end up changing the constitution
regardless of which route we take in the gens reform issue.

It is, more or less, an accommodation of concerns expressed by various
magistrates and Senators involved, and an attempt to foster growth of
gentes/familiae in a more historic fashion, while maintaining familial ties
between independent familiae of a given gentes.

Indeed, we all have our ideas of family, and we have the historical model,
plus many of us have developed bonds with gens mates within the current
system, that they would not wish to see compromised. This is an attempt to
account for this situation as well. In other words, the historical model is
our ideal, but we must make the change to this comfortable for everyone and
take small but sure steps to ensure this, rather than make drastic changes
the citizens may be uncomfortable with.

Your tax dollars at work :)

Pompeia

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia





>From: "Susan Brett" <trog99@hotmail.com>
>To: Scriba_forum@hotmail.com
>Subject: Fwd: P. Cornelia's proposal, reformatted.
>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:19:20 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
>>To: pompeia_cornelia <trog99@hotmail.com>,
>><SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: P. Cornelia's proposal, reformatted.
>>Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:54:55 -0500 (CDT)
>>
>>
>>( Reformatted for your convenience - O.)
>>
>>PROPOSED ARTICLES GENTES ET FAMILIAE
>>
>>Introduction
>>
>>Nova Roma contains the Religio Romana, which pontificates the Roman
>>Virtues. The via Romana calls for a respect for the spiritual nucleus
>>of the familia. It is upon this model of the ancient ways that
>>citizens strive to grow and prosper. In order to do so, independent
>>familia are encouraged by the Republic wherever possible. Families
>>of the same bloodline should be formed in keeping with the desired
>>outcomes of Nova Roma: a micronation within the current macronations
>>of the world, as opposed to an organization of anachronistic
>>roleplaying.
>>
>>However, that said, since the beginning of NR the population has
>>been in the primary phases of the historical structure of the family,
>>to wit, having extended families through her gentes, but no formally
>>recognized familiae. Accordingly, thre are many single Nova Romani
>>who will likely never have a blood familia in Nova Roma. These
>>include spouses of noncitizens who are not likely to become involved
>>with the Republic, singles who live alone, and may live that way
>>for a long while, and other examples.
>>
>>These people value and have experienced personal growth from the
>>extended family atmosphere Nova Roma provides, as well as a sanctuary
>>in which to celebrate the via Romana and Religio with those of
>>similar minds
>>
>>To such individuals the Gens is important, allowing them to be part
>>of larger group. Despite the actual historical unlikeliness for
>>one person to adopt several grown persons into his immediate family,
>>such provision must be provided, to address the current circumstances.
>>
>>
>>A. DEVELOPMENT OF GENTES INTO FAMILIAE
>>
>>I. Initially, such a reform shall provide for a 60-day decision-making
>>period for all citizens, scheduled to coincide and cooperate with
>>the actual Gentes Registraton process. This will consist of one
>>question: "Do you wish to stay with your current situation (which
>>we would call a familia of the gens' original Paterfamilias), being
>>adopted by your current Paterfamilias in recognition of your being
>>accustomed to this, and having no desire to change...OR....do you
>>wish to form your own familiae under the gens of your current
>>affiliation?"
>>
>>II. If the answer is 'yes', meaning to stay, nor further action is
>>needed and the current situation is unchanged.
>>
>>III. if the answer is 'no', meaning to form a familia, then a new
>>familia will be recognized. Such a name would consist of the Gens
>>name and a cognomen. Current gens members are not obliged to keep
>>their current cognomen, they may change them to suit. Should the
>>Paterfamilias have issue with a given citizens' cognomen as being
>>against "Gens Agreements" (see next section), that Paterfamilias
>>of the gens would request that a more suitable cognomen be adopted.
>>In the case of a citizen having no cognomen, the Paterfamilias would
>>give him one.
>>
>>IV. Such a decision, to 'stay' or 'go' would be filed in writing
>>to the Censors of Nova Roma and to the Paterfamilias in
>>question (in the case of adoptio) on or before the given due date
>>of the decision (the 60 days).
>>
>>V. The Censors will then enter the new name on the rolls.
>>
>>VI. With this the process is complete, such a decision is legal and
>>binding, and as such must be petitioned to be reversed.
>>
>>VII. The Petition must be filed in writing to the Censors of Nova
>>Roma, and to the Paterfamilias, and demonstrate a bona fide, and
>>appropriate need to change, not just acting on a whim. The Censors
>>will have 60 days to decide. If the filiasfamilias is unhappy with
>>the decision, it could be appealed to the Praetors.
>>
>>VIII. In the cases of petitions pertaining to Adoptio of a new
>>citizen to an existing Paterfamilias, as opposed to being a
>>Paterfamilius of his own familia, the Collegium Pontificium may
>>issue a Decree citing any criteria required of these petitions, in
>>keeping with the promotion of sincereity and sanctity of such an
>>arrangement. The Censors shall defer to the text of this decree in
>>consideration of these petitions. If after 60 days of the passage
>>of this lex, the Decree remains unissued, the Censors may proceed
>>with the petition as in VII above.
>>
>>B. FAILURE TO RESPOND TO THIS LEX
>>
>>I. Should existing citizens not respond to this call in the designated
>>time (60 days) then said citizens shall become an independent
>>familia, under their existing gens, identified by their gens Nomen
>>and their cognomen, subject to established Gens Agreements.
>>
>>C. THE GENTES AGREEMENTS
>>
>>I. Prior to the Gentes Registration, on a time to be agreed upon,
>>the Paterfamilius of each existing Gens shall register with the
>>Collegium Pontificium, any restrictions or points of tradition,
>>which are of paramount importance within their gens, and thee shall
>>serve as requirements for subsequent families within the gens.
>>
>>II. These Gens Agreements shall be utilized by the Censors as a
>>means of determining whether a given applicant may form a familia
>>under a Gens. Such agreements shall be made available to them upon
>>request to the Collegium Pontificium, where they shall reside. Such
>>agreements are legal documents and may be challenged by the Collegium
>>and/or the Censors only if they are unconstitutional, and are, once
>>approved by the Collegium, or any designate of the Collegium, are
>>unchangeable by any magistrate.
>>
>>III. The Paterfamilias is encouraged to consult his senior gensmates,
>>regarding these decisions, in keeping with the ancient traditions.
>>Such agreements are to work in harmony with the rights and duties
>>of Paterfamilias, as given in the Constitution (See Citizens and
>>Gentes) Because of this importance to tradition, families are
>>expected to work to foster agreement.
>>
>>IV. The Gens Agreements will serve as guidelines for the expectations
>>of a family within a gens. They shall serve as a yardstick of
>>admission and if need be, expulsion from a Gens. These may include:
>>
>> Familia cognomen shall have an historical reference and shall
>> not be an object of humour or degradement, nor a Latinized
>> version of an English name, ie Thompsonus.
>>
>> Any restrictions on cognomen regarded as sacred and not for
>> use by any familia within the gens
>>
>> That those who wish to become familia of a given gens should
>> spend 30 days prior to their citizenship/familiaship acquainting
>> themselves with that Gens prior to assuming a family name.
>> They are expected to have examined the Gens Agreements and The
>> Constitution.
>>
>>IV. In the case of Gentes with many familiae, the Gens Agreements
>>my be amended as the need arises, with a two thirds vote from the
>>Paterfamiliae of that Gens, under the provisions of the advice of
>>the Paterfamilae of that Gens. Such revisions are subject to the
>>same rule as above in the original document.
>>
>>D. FAILURE TO REGISTER GENS AGREEMENTS
>>
>>I. Gentes that fail to register any agreement in the alotted time
>>have waived their right to such an agreement.
>>
>>II. The Censores shall assume the Gens is free of Agreements or
>>restrictions, and the familiae shall be entered into Nova Roma by
>>the cognomen of their choice, without any opposition by the original
>>Paterfamilias or any other Paterfamilias in the Gens.
>>
>>E. THE HEAD OF THE FAMILIA
>>
>>I. Each familia shall have a Paterfamilias who shall act as the
>>spokesperson for that familia in legal and business dealings,
>>in keeping with the Constitution. He shall be responsible for
>>upholding Gens Agreements. Where a one-person familia exists, this
>>person shall be the Paterfamilias.
>>
>>II. In keeping with the extended family sociality, the Paterfamiliae
>>are encouraged to consult one another for advice, social purpose,
>>and promoting celebraton of the history and spiritual values, in
>>keeping with the traditions of their Gens.
>>
>>III The responsibility of the Paterfamilias is to supervise the
>>familia's devotion to the via Romana, so the Republic will place
>>its full confidence and expectation in the Paterfamilius to promote
>>to their familia the philosophy contained in the Constitution of
>>Nova Roma: the Roman virtues, thereby preserving the familia as the
>>backbone of the Republic.
>>
>>F. PATERFAMILIAS OF THE GENS
>>
>>I. The original Gens Founder, or the most senior Paterfamilias (if
>>the gens founder is no longer a citizen), is called the PRIMUS
>>Paterfamilias. the Responsibility of this Paterfamilias is to
>>supervise the Gens' Familia's devotion to the via Romana, so the
>>Republic will place its full confidence and expectation in the
>>Senior Paterfamilias to promote to their familiae the philosophy
>>contained in the Constitution of Nova Roma: the Roman virtues,
>>thereby preserving the familia as the backbone of the Republic. He
>>is honoured by the Republic for his senior service in the building
>>and commitment to his Gens, as an integral part of Nova Roma.
>>
>>G. COUNSEL OF THE PATERFAMILIAE GENTIUM
>>
>>I. If needed, there shall exist within a gens a Counsel of Paterfamilia
>>Gentium (hereafter referred to as 'the counsel'), who shall act as
>>an advisory decision-making body within the gens itself.
>>
>>II. This counsel is responsible for overseeing the Gens Agreements,
>>making these available to prospective citizens and Gens filiae,
>>revising the agreements by 2/3 vote among themselves and sending
>>the amended agreement to the Collegium Pontificium. III. The Counsel
>>is responsible for attending to such matters as the breaking of a
>>covenants by a familia member, the decision of which can be expulsion.
>>In keeping with the constitution, the final act of expulsion from
>>a Gens is in the hands of the Primus Paterfamilias.
>>
>>H. EXCEPTIONS: ONE OR TWO PATERFAMILIAE GENTES
>>
>>I. Gentes with only one or two Paterfamilia cannot humanly produce
>>a 2/3 vote. In the case of the one Paterfamilias in a gens, he shall
>>render a decision for his gens with repect to Gens Agreements. II.
>>Gentes with two Paterfamiliae shall render a decision as follows:
>>if the two Paterfamiliae fail to agree on a decision, the Paterfamilias
>>with the most Senior Status shall render decisions for the gens,
>>with respect to gens agreements.
>>
>>III. The decision shall be forwarded to the citizen in question and
>>to the Censors.
>>
>>I. CONTACTING PROSPECTIVE MEMBERS I. The Counsel shall provide an
>>email address to the Censors as a contact point whereby they provide
>>information to the Counsel, regarding the admission of new familia,
>>or any other areas of communication as required.
>>
>>II. Upon receipt of an application of a prospective citizen, and
>>upon establishing that the Gens has Agreements, the Censors shall
>>so inform the Gens Counsel of same, including a contact point. The
>>Counsel shall provide the gens agreements which may be reviewed by
>>the applicant.
>>
>>III. If prospective applicants meet Gens Agreements, and after
>>any communication between the Counsel and the Censors,
>>the Censors shall inform the Counsel of the newly admitted family
>>and add their names to the Album Gentium and to the citizen rolls.
>


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Gens Reform Proposal: Labienus, Cornelia, Fabius, Sicinius, et al et al..
From:	"metamorphosis2003" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:06:19 -0000

---Salve Renata Corva (I hope you are well)

Indeed I can give you an example: Initially the gens agreements, I
had labeled Gens Covenants......can't remember why Fabius thought we
shouldn't use that, but his reasoning seemed sound.......

A Gens Covenant or Covenant, is like a bylaw, or a valued tradition
that the gens would file with the collegium. Prospective citizens may
or may not be considered eligible to form a familia in this gens if
they do not meet the covenant requirements.

Example: No familia in the gens Iunia shall be cognomated Brutus
(this is actually a gens rule of Iunia, Brutus is special and nobody
gets that cognomen)

Example: Gens Vesta-Serva is a gens of familia of females who are
dedicated to the service of Vesta, through offering and ritual, in
keeping with the Religio Romana. In other words, a Roman Catholic
or Jewish male would not be welcomed, and they would be gently
encouraged to find another gens under which they could form their
familia.

Example: Each filius of the Gens Cornelia, regardless of family
affiliation, shall remain subscribed to the common familial mailing
list of the Gens, to foster extended family relations and to keep
themselves abreast of gens activities.

Example: Another one: Gens Marcia is quite proud of her
American/Roman heritage, and desires members who are mindful of
this......in other words, if you have a big problem with this, please
do not ask to form a familia within this gens.



In other words, Renata, anything that the gens collectively decides
is important enough that they would say to prospective citizens...you
are suited for this gens, or you are not.

In antiquita, the family had traditions, and gentes of Nova Roma,
have their own values and traditions. This gives a limited
opportunity for the gens to 'register' these traditions or
covenants...to flex their potestas,if you will :) The rationale here
is, when we start admitting citizens as 'familia' as opposed to
independent members of a gens, the gens should have some control over
who is suited to form a familia within the gens, or who is not. We
want the gens traditions maintained, as well as to build familia....
a balance. This gens covenant is a one time thing only, and requires
some serious thinking on the part of a gens.

On the flip side, the covenants constantly being broken can serve as
reason to expel a familia or insist on another paterfamilias,
whatever.

Upon first glance, it might seem unconstitutional to refuse men to
be allowed to form familia within a gens, or to suggest that say,
nonpractitioners are probably not suited, whatever......

but it isn't......if you read the constitution, each gens is entitled
to make these choices; now that doesn't apply to 'joining' Nova Roma;
as an organization we are nondiscriminatory according to the
language, but the gens can say whether or not you may be a part of it.

This was written in, in response to those who felt their traditions
were going to fall by the wayside, and they would lose control over
what was really important as the gens grew larger and larger with
familia. And I think it has some merit.

After three night shifts, I hope this makes sense :)

Bene vale,
Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@y..., "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@y...> wrote:
> Pompeia--I like your gens reform proposal very much. It adresses
the
> issues I had with gens reform, and it even incorporates an idea I
had
> that I was privately calling 'The Simple Solution to Gens Reform.'
> I'm glad to know that what I was thinking is not too 'way out
there.'
>
> The only thing I still don't really understand is the Gens
Agreement
> concept. Could you give an example?
>
> ---
> Renata Corva

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Another Question for Candidates
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:26:09 -0500

Salve Renata Corva,

>Does that seem reasonable?

The lex itself, in my opinion, is quite reasonable. However, why the need? I
might ask this in reference to myself. Am I in need of a sponsor? I like to
think I am a good citizen even though I have no sponsor. I would also submit
that I have quite a few good examples (Marcus Cassius Julianus, M. Octavius
Germanicus, K. Fabius, Pompeia Cornelia, Patricia Cassia, to name a few) to
follow anyway, and indeed do my best to follow their example. So again I
ask: Do I need a sponsor? Am I not capable of becoming a good citizen on my
own?

Just something to ponder.

Optime Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus
Retiarius Lacuum Magnorum
Scriba Praetorium
Scriba Curatoris Araneae
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Civis Lacuum Magnorum Provinciae
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:42:40 -0500

Salve, Great quiz! Had lots of fun and learned a thing or two. Congratulation to all !!

Vail,

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:39 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz


Salvete Omnes,

> CONGRATULATIONS TO JULILLA SEMPRONIA MAGNA, AND ALL
> OTHER PARTICIPANTS !!!

Indeed congratulations!! The quiz was very interesting, thank you for this!!
(BTW, what was the Hyppaka Gymnasia? I missed the answer.)

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
From:	"Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:14:30 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve, Great quiz! Had lots of fun and learned a thing or two.
Congratulation to all !!
>
> Vail,
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:39 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@y...
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> > CONGRATULATIONS TO JULILLA SEMPRONIA MAGNA, AND ALL
> > OTHER PARTICIPANTS !!!
>
> Indeed congratulations!! The quiz was very interesting, thank you
for this!!
> (BTW, what was the Hyppaka Gymnasia? I missed the answer.)

What were the 'Hippaka Gymnasia'?

These were cavalry exercises. A book written by Arrian ARS TACTICA
detail them.

A great series of book by Ann Hyland,
Training the Roman Cavalry
ISBN 0-86299-984-7
and
Equus, the Horse in the Roman World
ISBN 0-300-04770-3

gives great information on the subject.


Vale bene,
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

> Valete,
>
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio

]

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Illustra Pompeia Cornelia Strabo is back!!
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:26:30 -0800 (PST)

Salve Illustra Pompeia Cornelia Strabo,

it is more than a pleasure to see you back on the main list.
Your dedication, knowledge and kindness are much needed here.
This just made my day!!

Vale,

--
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Some Further Thoughts for the Future
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:39:56 +0100

Salve Illustra Pompeia Cornelia Strabo, Amica et Salvete Quirites!

I humbly thank You for your wonderful trust in me! I promise that I
will do my best to live up to these expectations. You and I know that
different views are not any big obstacle when it comes to our work
together for what we see as the best for the Res Publica! I hereby
extend my hand in an offer of cooperation to all Romans that are
prepared to work for the growth and strengthening of our beloved Res
Publica!

I also here and now want to thank all who until now have supported me
during this election campaign, no one mentioned and no one forgotten!
I certainly will need your support during these coming days and also
in the future!

(sniped)

>The man who most adequately displays this profile to date for the senior
>consulship in my humble opinion is
>
>CAESO FABIUS QUINTILLIANUS
>
>Buona Fortuna, and my prayers for your success will be with you.

..................................
.........................................

>Bene valete,
>Pompeia

I pray for You too my dear Amica!
--

Valete

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A helpful Tip to avoid having a Malformed Voter Code
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:06:26 -0000

Salve,

I copy and paste in my voter code and have yet to been informed that
I entered a malformed voter code.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:20:13 -0800 (PST)

Salve Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus,

> > (BTW, what was the Hyppaka Gymnasia? I missed the answer.)
>
> What were the 'Hippaka Gymnasia'?
>
> These were cavalry exercises. A book written by Arrian ARS TACTICA
> detail them.
>
> A great series of book by Ann Hyland,
> Training the Roman Cavalry
> ISBN 0-86299-984-7
> and
> Equus, the Horse in the Roman World
> ISBN 0-300-04770-3

Thank you for the information.

Vale,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:38:49 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes,

> CONGRATULATIONS TO JULILLA SEMPRONIA MAGNA, AND ALL
> OTHER PARTICIPANTS !!!

Indeed congratulations!! The quiz was very interesting, thank you for this!!
(BTW, what was the Hyppaka Gymnasia? I missed the answer.)

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:33:27 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete!

The Ludi Plebeii Quiz has ended! I thank all
participants, and I hope they all enjoyed this quiz
very much!

Here are the correct answers to the last questions:

1. Who sacked Rome in 390 BC? (The Gauls)

2. Who should have said "Vae Victrix" (Woe to the
conquered)? (Brennus the Gaul (when he sacked Rome))

3. Who screamed "Varus! Give me back my eagles!"
(Augustus)

4. Who was NOT a member of the first Triumverate?
(Marcus Antonius)

5. Who was the second Roman king? (Numa Pompilius)

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And here are the final results - who knows most on
ancient Rome?:

WINNER: Julilla Sempronia Magna – 86 points

SECOND: Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus – 81
THIRD: Titus Labienus Fortunatus – 72

4. Sextus Apollonius Scipio – 68
5. Quintus Lanius Paulinus – 64
6. Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus – 56
7. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus – 55
8. Gnaeus Equitius Marinus – 43
9. Spurius Postumius Tubertus – 32
10. Marcus Arminius Maior – 27
11. Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia – 21
12. Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis – 19
Marcus Octavius Germanicus – 19
14. Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix – 18
15. Gnaeus Octavius Noricus – 13
Gallus Solaris Alexander – 13
17. Gaius Basilicatus Agricola – 10
18. Lithia Cassia – 9
19. Gallio Velius Marsallas
20. Aulus Octavius Serenus – 4
Alexandria Iulia Agrippa – 4


CONGRATULATIONS TO JULILLA SEMPRONIA MAGNA, AND ALL
OTHER PARTICIPANTS !!!


Thank you all for participating!


Valete bene


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:35:43 -0000

Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix writes:

> And here are the final results - who knows most on
> ancient Rome?:

[Or perhaps who knows a heck of a lot and had the good fortune to have
the time to check messages every day...]

> WINNER: Julilla Sempronia Magna - 86 points

Congratulations Julilla! That's an amazing score, given
the difficulty of some of the questions.

> SECOND: Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus - 81

Nice work! (But you've *got* to get out more often Cincinnatus,
my man!)

> THIRD: Titus Labienus Fortunatus - 72

Impressive score Fortunatus. Well done.

> 4. Sextus Apollonius Scipio - 68
> 5. Quintus Lanius Paulinus - 64
> 6. Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus - 56
> 7. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus - 55
> 8. Gnaeus Equitius Marinus - 43

Exactly half of what the Amazing Julilla managed. Still, not
bad considering the number of days I missed.

> 9. Spurius Postumius Tubertus - 32
> 10. Marcus Arminius Maior - 27
> 11. Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia - 21
> 12. Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis - 19
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus - 19
> 14. Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - 18
> 15. Gnaeus Octavius Noricus - 13
> Gallus Solaris Alexander - 13
> 17. Gaius Basilicatus Agricola - 10
> 18. Lithia Cassia - 9
> 19. Gallio Velius Marsallas
> 20. Aulus Octavius Serenus - 4
> Alexandria Iulia Agrippa - 4
>
>
> CONGRATULATIONS TO JULILLA SEMPRONIA MAGNA, AND ALL
> OTHER PARTICIPANTS !!!

Yep. It was fun.

> Thank you all for participating!

You're welcome! Thanks for all the effort you've put into the
Ludi Plebi. Wonderful, marvelous games.

-- Marinus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Plebeii!
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:13:30 +0100

Salvete Illustri Plebeian Aedili Illustrus Tiberius Apollonius
Cicatrix and Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus!

I thank You for a very entertaining Ludi! You have done a very nice job!

Now we can sit back and wait for the next year's Aediles to entertain _us_!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Quaestor
From:	"Titus Arminius Genialis" <tagenialis@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:23:13 -0200

Salvete onmes,

I am here to state my support to a man who is really reliable, serious, and
well-intented to hold the office of Quaestor for next year.
This man is Lucius Arminius Faustus.
He is not only a cousin, but he is also a man who I really trust in and I
would vote for if I was voter-aged.
Since I just cannot vote due to my age, I ask you to do it for me and ellect
the one who is going to make the right decisions and who can help to change
all the problems and bad things we have relating to finances.
You all remember that Faustus was one of the most enthusiats about taxes
reform (even when he was not related to financial subjects).
And he can do much more when he gets the official office of Quaestor.
So, those who hadn't decided yet for a Quaestor, the name is LUCIUS ARMINIUS
FAUSTUS.
And those who had already decided, think once more and maybe you will get
concerned that LUCIUS ARMINIUS FAUSTUS is the right person.


Don't forget: QUAESTOR IS FAUSTUS!!





Valete and thank you very much.
Titus Genialis.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:19:54 -0000

Julilla Sempronia Magna Tiberium et omnibus,

Gratias for a wonderful series of quizzes, which so well demonstrated
not so much what we KNOW about our spiritual ancestors as what we are
able to LEARN! I had the best time answering each day's quiz and, of
course, it is a great honour to win, ranking right up there with the
honourable Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus et Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

And, of course, my family will be pleased that the ludi are
completed, for I will not always be saying "I just want to wait a few
more minutes to see if today's quiz is up! :-D

Io! Io! Quizmaster Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Plebeii - end of quiz / Hypakka Gymnasia
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:17:30 -0000

Salve Sexte!

The Hypakka Gymnasia was a military game practiced by the calvalry.
Two teams; one side used dummy lances and the other team were the
targets. Very coloful dragon like streamers and decorations added to
the clor of the games. Points were scored by the number of hits.

Again, congratulations to Julia Semporina Magna and all the
contestants. Thats 75 more facts we all learned about Rome.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> > CONGRATULATIONS TO JULILLA SEMPRONIA MAGNA, AND ALL
> > OTHER PARTICIPANTS !!!
>
> Indeed congratulations!! The quiz was very interesting, thank you
for this!!
> (BTW, what was the Hyppaka Gymnasia? I missed the answer.)
>
> Valete,
>
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Attention Voters! Invalid voter codes
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:25:59 -0000

The civis with the following voter tracking codes has a malformed or
inaccurate voter code:

#21106

Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is given, and if you
are unsure of your new code, follow my instructions posted previously
to obtain your current voter code by e-mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339

Or you may write the censors.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Illustra Pompeia Cornelia Strabo is back!!
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:19:17 -0000

AVETE OMNES

Pompeia, it's wonderful to read your posts again on the Main List! :)

Citizens, given Pompeia's coming back, I feel the need to publicly
thank her for helping me with the venationes.
You surely noticed her style in the first and in the last combats of
the venationes (much better than mine).
I assumed she didn't want to be mentioned on this list, but now I
want you to know that *her* Musarum Network has been again the life
of the venationes! ;)

Thank you, Pompeia!

BENE VALETE
M'CON.SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
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