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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] what's in the name.
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 06:00:34 +0000

Salvete omnes:

I am having a problem identifying people. I am talking about names, and
that concerns everybody. I've noticed that many use their praenomen as
their primary name, and some use what should've been a nomen as a praenomen,
and some even anglocize their Latin name. A great confusion. Also, some
people asked about names, so maybe this would start a thread from which we
all can learn something:

The Roman name consists of 3 parts: nomen, praenomen, and cognomen.
I'll use my name as an example: Gaius Galerius Peregrinator.

The "Gaius" is the praenomen. Praenomen had very little importance and
currency, and as proof of that is how few of those the Romans had.
Actually, praenomen is not a name. It's a nickname, just like "Mate"
(Australia), or "Mac" (America).

A Roman's identity is connected to his family. He is a Galerius, a
Iulius, a Claudius..etc. So when you'd address somebody you'd address him
by his family name. It is whom he is. Those who served in the army will
remember that there everybody is addressed by his family name, and it
wouldn't surprise me if it came all the way from the old days. But there
are more than one member to a family, so which Galerius? and you'd add
Peregrinator, and everybody would know which, or Calvus (the bald one), or
Cicero (the one with a pea), or the tall one or the short one..etc, and that
is the cognomen, the name you add for a more specific identification.

In informal settings between family members, the nomen could be
dispensed with, because they're all from the same family, and the cognomen
alone suffices. Some have nicknames, and many families like that, and the
praenomen would be used.

I can see the praenomen being included in official documents that it
would further help in identification, otherwise its use is confusing.

Also, in the question of identification, I noticed sometimes some
citizens post out messages without identifying themselves. To those, please
do us the courtesy of letting us know which family you belong to.

This is not meant to pick on anybody. I have my shortcomings, too.

Am I correct? and if I am right, then, I hope the magistrates will
set up the guidelines, and hopefully the citizens will follow it. If you
want to be a Roman, you must do as the Romans did.

Valete

Galerius Peregrinator.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] what's in the name.
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:46:10 EST

In a message dated 11/22/02 10:27:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com writes:

>
>
> I am having a problem identifying people. I am talking about names,
> and
> that concerns everybody. I've noticed that many use their praenomen as
> their primary name, and some use what should've been a nomen as a
> praenomen,
> and some even anglocize their Latin name. A great confusion. Also, some
> people asked about names, so maybe this would start a thread from which we
> all can learn something:
>
>

Salvete.
True, it can be confusing. I was taught that the polite usage in Latin was
the two names.
Ex, Address in the Senate: "Does the illustrious Quintus Fabius have
anything to add?"

Reference in polite society: "And it was at this time the Pontifix Maximus
Marcus Cassius called for the Pontiff's vote."

Greeting formally called for three names EX: Q. Fabius Maximus L. Sicini
Druse SPD.

In daily speech unless there was a question to identity the nomen was
acceptable:
"Cornelius vetoed Cassius measure regretfully"
However if there was any doubt you could error on the side of caution:
"Cornelius Sulla vetoed Cassius Iulianus measure regretfully"

You are correct that among Family the cognomen was the most used:
"Did you see? Maximus challenged Quintilianus to a rhetoric contest."

It could also be used by close friends.
"Say Palladius. We are going to be late for the debate if you do not hurry!"

Such rules were not always fast and hard but seem to hold true for the
Republic. But Latin is a dynamic language and as influences from other lands
crept in, the language under went change. To see how much read Byzantine
sometime. It is written with Greek letters, and his a hodgepodge collection
of Latin, German, and Greek. Oh yeah a little Skythian just to be confusing.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] *BUILD NOVA ROMA* the last effort!!!!
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:20:42 -0000

AVETE OMNES

Our virtual temple facade is nearly completed!!!

Take a look at http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/build.html
and you will see that we need only the tympan!

Pick the last bricks!!!

The "brick" is a word (es. Virtus) a name (es. Marcus Aurelius) or a
date you deem important for our culture in Nova Roma.

Every citizen can send one brick per day!
Just send it to mcserapio@yahoo.it remembering to put BRICK in the
subject line!

We are reaching the aim!!!

BENE VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
Scriba Aedilis Plebis (Ti.Apo.Cicatrix)
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
-----------------------------
VISIT MY WEBSITE
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***Quintilianus for Consul!!!***


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cult of Antinous
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 07:27:07 -0600

We probably need a gay legion, too, like the Sared Band of Corinth.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cult of Antinous

Carus Cornelius Aedituus writes:

> I think this is an interesting suggestion... don't like the idea of
> a "gay temple" but think a temple for a deity that promotes a way of
> life applicable to gay men would be very useful.

Yeah, I think positive role models are sadly lacking for men
who are attracted to men. Having a temple within the Religio
which provided guidance based in the Virtues could be a very
good thing.

> Some suggestions for deities enshrined?
> Arcus Consiliarus
> Eros
> Hecate
> Apollo/Hyacinth
> Pallas
> Hermes
> Heracles

I looked up the story of Apollo and Hyacinth, and it looks like
it might be a good foundation to base such an organization on.
(I also note that Hyacinth seems to have been adopted by some
gay men's groups already.)

But since my interest in this is secondary, and I wouldn't be
part of the group it's intended for, I'd really like to see the
discussion include some practitioners of the Religio Romana with
a direct interest. Anyone?

-- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: what's in the name.
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:59:11 -0000

Gaius Galerius Peregrinator writes:

> I am having a problem identifying people. I am talking about
> names, and that concerns everybody.

True, it does. It took me a while to figure out who was who around
here, and I'm still a little shaky on some. But I've come to
recognize that people are pretty consistent about how they identify
themselves.

Nova Roma is the only place on the net where I'm not known as
Bill Gawne in everyday exchanges. But I've tried to make it easy
for people here to know who I am by routinely identifying myself
by my cognomen "Marinus". It's a nice simple one word name which
is thus far unique in Nova Roma. (And yes, I'm borrowing the
practice from a guy who used to sign himself "Caesar.")

I also think it helps to go to Yahoo and create a profile with a
Roman name, so that the posts made here are identified with that
name. It won't always work if, for example, you sometimes post from
remote locations as I sometimes do. (Thus the occassional post
from Bill Gawne that appears here.)

Mostly what I watch for is characteristic style. Back when I
was new to Nova Roma I kept a running tickler file on all the
regular posters here, identifying their names and their character
traits that I observed. You, or anyone else who's confused by the
dizzying array of names, might find such a device useful.

As Quintus Fabius Maximus has already pointed out, the choice of
how a person identifies themselves is context dependent. I'll put
out the full "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" if I'm posting something
ex officio. If I'm trading e-mail with Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
I'll sign myself Gnaeus Equitius, but that's 'family' correspondence,
and not suited to the forum here. I'll occassionally use Equitius
Marinus, but that's rare. The only person I'd consider identifying
by the bare name Equitius would be himself, L. Equitius Cincinnatus,
who is THE Equitius in my view of things. Likewise in the case of
Fabius (Quintus Fabius Maximus) or Cassius (Marcus Cassius Julianus).

Other than that, my rule of thumb has been to identify people as they
choose to identify themselves. That seems to have worked pretty well
thus far.

-- Marinus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Under-age citizens (Was: Another Question)
From:	"jamiekjohnston" <cordus@dygo.com>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:15:47 -0000

In response to M. Marcius Rex:

Many thanks for your clarification of the distinction
between the ability to hold rights and the ability to
exercise them. This does indeed make more sense of
what seemed to me a nonsensical clause, and I am
somewhat reassured. You seem exhasperated that I didn't take the
distinction into account in my last message on this subject - this is
because I hadn't yet read your explanation when I wrote it (I've been
trying to change over from one e-mail account to another, and so I've
been reading messages in the wrong order, I think).

I do still think there are items that need attention.
Given the distinction between these two abilities, it
is in no way clear from the constitution that
under-age citizens are considered to hold (though to
be unable to exercise) the rights we've been
discussing. It could perhaps be argued that this is
implied in the statement that such rights can be
exercised on their behalf, but to my mind it could
equally be argued that the constitution's statement
that citizens over the age of 18 hold these rights
implies that those under the age of 18 do not hold
these rights. It's clearly an important question, and
it seems to me desirable that the constitution should
make explicit what rights are held by citizens under
the legal age, before going on to specify in what way
these may be exercised.

Secondly, you explain that the ability of the
paterfamilias to exercise these rights on behalf of
the under-age citizen means that he can act to seek
redress in the case of infraction, but I'm not clear
whether this ability has any other repurcussions. To
take the example of the first of the rights listed in
the constitution: does it mean that the paterfamilias,
and not the citizen concerned, is responsible for
exercising authority over that citizen's household
rites, rituals and beliefs? Is he obliged to determine
and conduct rites on behalf of the citizen, or merely
to ensure personally that the citizen is able to
conduct them himself, or neither?

And to take the right and obligation to remain subject
to the civil rights and laws of the countries in which
one resides. You say this doesn't need exercising - well, firstly
doesn't that make it somethign of a nonsense to say that it may eb
exercised on someone behalf, and secondly, I'm left wondering the same
things as I asked in the last paragraph: does the paterfamilias have
to obey the law on behalf of the citizen, or ensure that the
citizen obeys the law, or merely initiate legal
proceedings if anyone in NR attempts to interfere with
this?

And must the paterfamilias ensure that the citizen is
able to remain sovereign and secure within his own
home, person, and property by going to live with that
citizen and protecting him from physical attack?
Obviously this is what we would expect if their
relationship was that of parent and child, but at the
moment this is not what 'paterfamilias' means (until
such time as gens reform may change the meaning), and
a pater- or materfamilias would not necessarily find
it possible to live in the same home as all the
members of their gens who were under-age.

So I do still think that clarification is necessary,
even if the legal interpretation of the constitution
is not as worrying as the common-sense one. As I said
before, it might not be a problem if we could rely on
all magistrates with jurisdiction to be as well-versed
in jurisprudence as yourself, but as it stands I'm
sure there are now, and for the foreseeable future
will be, at least some whose legal understanding is
not much greater than mine: and you've heard how
difficult I would find these provisions to enforce!

Jamie

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Trip
From:	Krysialtemus@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:33:26 EST

I would like to plan a trip to Italy and Spain to see as many of the ancient
ruins that I can. I am looking for a tour/tour guide that has extensive
knowledge in Roman history and the tour would be focused on this. Do any of
you have any suggestions on where I should look. I would appreciate any help!
Thanks, Caecilia Drusa Dalmatica

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: what's in the name.
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:02:27 -0500

Sp. Postumius Tubertus C. Galerius Peregrinator S.P.D.

Salve,

I too would agree that it's sometimes a challenge to figure out what to call some people here in Nova Roma. So, to build on what Marinus said, let me add what follows.

Most people around here are mostly referred to by their cognomen (or an agnomen, if one is had) (some specifics are Lucius Cornelius "Sulla" Felix, Cnaeus Equitius "Marinus," Manius Constantinus "Serapio", Marcus Minucius "Audens", and so on). This seems to be a long-trailing trend, and the one most popularly used.

Others, however, are more often referred to, and refer to themselves, by nomen only (e.g. Marcus "Octavius" Germanicus, Spurius "Postumius" Tubertus, Marcus "Cassius" Julianus, and so on). Most of these are easily identifiable, either by being the only active member of their gens, being the most active, or by being the paterfamilias of a gens; some may even qualify for more than one.

One thing I haven't seen much of, though, is reference by praenomen only. I can only think of one instance of this, and even the person referred to uses all three of their names; said person is only often referred to by praenomen alone.

I think the best advice I can give you, (and this has worked for me so far, but I wouldn't bet the farm), is to trust your gut instinct, and say the name out loud to yourself to see what sounds best. (As well, if there are many people with the same cognomen, but different nomina, sometimes it's best to use just the nomen) Or, alternatively, you could just wait around for the person you'd like to refer to to send a post (or fish through the archives), and find out what others have referred to the person as, as well as what the person referres to oneself as.

I hope this helps.

Optime Vale,

Sp. "Postumius" Tubertus
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Scriba Praetorium
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Civis Lacuum Magnorum Provinciae
Civis Patriae Novae Romae, Optima Maxima

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" -- Q. Horati Flacci

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 315
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:09:14 -0500 (EST)

Quaestor Gaius Laenus;

Sir. I well remember who you are.

I have made the points that I wished to make with the people to whom my
posts were directed. Your opinions are your own, and while I do not
agree with them, you certainly have the right to express such. You are
totally wrong about the person that you have described, but it is
apparent that anything further that I have to say on the subject, you
will not consider.

Therefore, I now take this discussion off-line, as I see no further gain
for Nova Roma in continuing such. If you wish to resign, then that is
your decision to make, but I would strongly recommend that you finish
out your year of commitment, remain true to your oath, and then take a
leave of absence rather than leave NR in a snit. However, such is
merely my suggestion, and you must have the final decision.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Trip
From:	aneaapollonia@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:17:20 EST

Salvete Caecilia Drusa Dalmatica,
I just returned from a trip to Roma, I didnt have any plans just a loose idea
of what I wanted to do/ see. I can give you recomendations for Roma, but
thats the limits of my knowledge. Try these people, www.discoverrometours.com

I found their tours to be thurough and amusing, not to mention good
excersise. And if your in the mood for good food near the Colloseum, go to
"The Royal Meat House." And tell Allessando and Nicco I said hello. :o)

Vale Bene,
I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Trip
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:36:15 -0000

Salve Drusa Dalmatica

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Krysialtemus@a... wrote:
> I would like to plan a trip to Italy and Spain to see as many of
the ancient
> ruins that I can. I am looking for a tour/tour guide that has
extensive
> knowledge in Roman history and the tour would be focused on this.
Do any of
> you have any suggestions on where I should look. I would appreciate
any help!
> Thanks, Caecilia Drusa Dalmatica

As the Legatus Externis Rebus of Hispania, dedicated to help the
peregrini like you, if you have a scheduled program (days-places to
visit) I would try to help you as far as I can.
Please tell me the cities you plan to visit and I'll see what to do.
Anyway, I give you some ideas for Hispania (Spain) :-)

- You can visit many cities with an important roman heritage. The
most impressive I have been are Emerita Augusta (Merida), Clunia
(Burgos), Lucentum (Alicante), Segobriga (Cuenca) and Italica
(Sevilla). There are also the incredible city of Tarraco (Tarragona)
and many other places. All of them have splendid theaters, baths,
mosaics, anfitheaters, foros, houses, roads and all that. Not merely
ruins... :-)
- The Arqueological Museums are quite good. Madrid has the main one,
but Alicante and Tarragona has each wealthy collections.
- Do not miss the bridges of Alcantara in Caceres, the one of Merida
or Cordoba.

There are many other things and places to see and visit, so I can't
mention them here... All depends on the time you would spend. :-)

My email is sceptia@yahoo.es

Vale bene,

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
- Legatus Externis Rebus Hispaniae Provinciae -


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: what's in the name.
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:06:34 -0800 (PST)

Salve,
No we aren't consistant in which name to refer to
somebody as, but niether were the Romans. The early
Emperors are a good example. The Romans of thier time
and the Historians that wrote about them didn't follow
any set pattern other than using the name that caused
the least confusion.

Augustus, a agnomen of distinction.
Tiberius, a Preanomen.
Caligula, a nickname that wasn't even an agnomen. He
used his praenomen of Gaius.
Claudius, his birth nomen, not even his nomen after
his adoption by Tiberius.
Nero, an Agnomen.

All of these men also used Caesar, which was one of
thier agnomens via adoption, and which was becoming a
title rather than simply a agnomen because of it's
long term usage by the Emperors who actually bore the
agnomen via adoption by someone with the agnomen.

--- Spurius Postumius Tubertus <postumius@gmx.net>
wrote:
> Sp. Postumius Tubertus C. Galerius Peregrinator
> S.P.D.
>
> Salve,
>
> I too would agree that it's sometimes a challenge to
> figure out what to call some people here in Nova
> Roma. So, to build on what Marinus said, let me add
> what follows.
>
> Most people around here are mostly referred to by
> their cognomen (or an agnomen, if one is had) (some
> specifics are Lucius Cornelius "Sulla" Felix, Cnaeus
> Equitius "Marinus," Manius Constantinus "Serapio",
> Marcus Minucius "Audens", and so on). This seems to
> be a long-trailing trend, and the one most popularly
> used.
>
> Others, however, are more often referred to, and
> refer to themselves, by nomen only (e.g. Marcus
> "Octavius" Germanicus, Spurius "Postumius" Tubertus,
> Marcus "Cassius" Julianus, and so on). Most of these
> are easily identifiable, either by being the only
> active member of their gens, being the most active,
> or by being the paterfamilias of a gens; some may
> even qualify for more than one.
>
> One thing I haven't seen much of, though, is
> reference by praenomen only. I can only think of one
> instance of this, and even the person referred to
> uses all three of their names; said person is only
> often referred to by praenomen alone.
>
> I think the best advice I can give you, (and this
> has worked for me so far, but I wouldn't bet the
> farm), is to trust your gut instinct, and say the
> name out loud to yourself to see what sounds best.
> (As well, if there are many people with the same
> cognomen, but different nomina, sometimes it's best
> to use just the nomen) Or, alternatively, you could
> just wait around for the person you'd like to refer
> to to send a post (or fish through the archives),
> and find out what others have referred to the person
> as, as well as what the person referres to oneself
> as.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Optime Vale,
>
> Sp. "Postumius" Tubertus
> Retiarius Lacuum Magnorum
> Scriba Praetorium
> Scriba Curatoris Araneae
> Discipolus Anno Tertio Linguae Latinae
> Civis Lacuum Magnorum Provinciae
> Civis Patriae Novae Romae, Optima Maxima
>
> "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" -- Q. Horati
> Flacci
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Travenna II
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:03:08 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
>>If you wish to resign, then that is
your decision to make, but I would strongly recommend that you finish
out your year of commitment, remain true to your oath, and then take
a leave of absence rather than leave NR in a snit. However, such is
merely my suggestion, and you must have the final decision.

Marcus Minucius Audens<<

Salve Senator,

A strange response to a statement I made saying "if I were so thin
skinned, perhaps I would resign." Just to make sure no one else
interpreted my statement incorrectly, I have no intention of
resigning, (nor am I in a "snit") I was simply trying to make the
point that statements are taken differently by different people.
What one considers a joke, another considers an insult sufficient to
resign over. What one considers a statement of opinion, another
considers an insult.

My opinion is your statements regarding the Back Alley and it's
posters were unfair and disparaging, opinion or not.

Staying around,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Consular Quaestor
Candidate for Tribune


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fwd: Annual Report -- 2002 -- Provincia Nova Britannia
From:	"jmath669642reng" <jmath669642reng@webtv.net>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:48:24 -0000

--- In SenatusRomanus@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
Honored Consuls, Senators and Citizens of Nova Roma;

I beg your leave, most humbly, to make the subject report for your
edification. It is my intention to step down from this honored position
this year, as I believe it is time to turn over this task to someone
with a fresh look and new ideas. I have recommended to the Senate a
fully qualified replacement for myself.

This Annual Report will be based on the previous 19 Points of Endeavor
submitted to the Senate for their information in 2001, and which the
governing of Nova Britannia has been based upon since that time:

1.----Obtain a List of Citizens of Nova Roma:

This has been done and updated, This list has been utilized to notify
the Citizens of Nova Roma of the Tax Program, and to make announcements
regarding Provincial Activities.

2.----Establish a Nova Roma Website:

This has been completed and the website has been on line and in use
since June 2001.

3.----Contact all Regio Legates and confirm appointments;

This was done in June 2001, and one additional appointment has been made
since that time:

--Legate Merrullus--Regio Vermont--accepted / appointed.

4.----Form a Provincial Council--All Legates and Staff:

Not completed.

5.----Review "Limes Incorp." for possible involvement:

Not completed.

6.----Offer a "Provinial Brotherhood Alliance" to nieghboring /
adjoining provinces:

Offer made to Mediatlantic Province in 2001. No response.

7.----Establish a Monthly Provincial Newsletter:

A Monthly Provincial Newsletter was established with a Editor, and four
assistants. The Editor disappeared without a trace, presumably due to a
illness relapse, and the four reporters did not exhibit any further
interest. A Editor Pro-Tem was appointed who provided two newsletters
and then ceased to be active.

8.----Make Formal Edicta regarding appointments:

Completed.

9.----Establish a Formal Provisional Recognition Program:

No action. No interest was generated due to the small number of
appointments and the brief period of appointee commitment.

10.----Establish and Publish a Provincial Budget:

Completed.

11.----Prepare and deliver a "First 100 Days Provincial Report" on or
before June 19, 2001:

Completed.

12.----Contact all Citizens in the Provincia upon reciept of the Citizen
List:

Completed.

13.----Contact other Nova Roma Govenors and ask for Program suggestions
and ideas:

Completed.

14.----Begin provisions for a Provincial Annual Report:

Completed.

15.----Develop Provincial Brochure and Handout:

No Action. The Provincial website took the place of this item for the
moment. This item might again be reviewed with the establishment of the
"Roman Market Days" Event.

16.----Develop a Provincial Outreach Program:

See item 17.

17.----Establish a Provincial Annual Program:

Possiblities:

--Museum of Art in Boston, MA;

--Museum of Antiquities in New Haven, CT;

--Museum of Arms in Wooster, MA;

--"Roman Days" in Maryland;

--"Roman Market Days" in Maine;

--Face-To-Face Meetings in the Provincia;

--Gladitorial Events Maryland, Maine, and New Jersey.

Other possibiities are being researched.

18.----Develop a Provincial Military Program:

The XXIVth Legion and the Gladitorial School have attended "Roman Market
Days" in Maine. No citizen has been interested in accepting the
position as a Provincial Military Coordinator.

19.----Contact other Sodalitas for ideas to add to a possible Annual
Program:

No Action. No citizen has been interested in accepting the position as
Provincial Cultural Coordinator.

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Minucius Audens
ProConsul -- Provincia Nova Britannia -- Nova Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Digest No 315
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:29:28 -0500

Salvete,

I've been reading with interest the various threads concerning a topic that
may interest citizens of Nova Roma who have not been around since the
beginning nearly five years ago.This could be called a part of our cultural
history.

Message: 11
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:02:32 -0000
From: "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Taverna II

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., MarcusAudens@w... wrote:
> Back Alley Member and Filthy Sewer Dweller, Gaius Laenus,

Lucius Equitius: I'm very disapointed to hear Audens insult my friend this
way.
I've never met Gaius Laenus in person, but from my observation of his work
AND in my personal dealings with him I've found NOTHING to criticize. He has
been a real credit to Nova Roma as a real professional.

>>Apparently you were not a member of "b-a" when this kind of talk
was rife, and if it has moderated, as you have indicated, then that
is an improvement, in my view.<<

GPL: Apparently, you don not remember who I am even though we have
had several discussions / disagreements. Perhaps it is because you
do not consider me a "person of stature" or maybe I am just not that
memorable.

>>As to insulting / slandering anyone, I have indicated how I feel
regarding the use of such language and activities. Anyone else is
perfectly free to immerse themselves in whatever bathwater that they
wish to. I do not seek to tell others what they can and cannot do,
butb rather to mention for the benefit of those who have indicated
thier interest; the limit of my desire to participate thusly.<<

Lucius Equitius: Yet you open your post by doing just that, insulting and
slandering. Yes, very clever of you to not "lower" yourself by not using
"foul" language while insulting someone. I'm sure that makes the victim of
your rhetoric feel much better. Of course this is only my opinion, but then
as we are so often told by Audens "Your opinions are your own, and while I
do not
agree with them, you certainly have the right to express such."

GPL: Perhaps you see the use of adjectives like "filthy"
and "sewer" as the stating of an opinion, I find them insulting
coming from someone who knows very little of which he speaks.

>>I only mention those who have left NR because of "b-a", and those
are without exception, very good and valued friends.<<

GPL: My memory is not perfect, but I know of NO ONE who left NR
because of the Back Alley. I believe the person of which you speak
(I know of only one)left the Back Alley becuase of single post,
meant as a joke (that admittedly did contain some "bad" language).
He did so even though an apology was forth coming. He later left NR
because of another joke he took as an insult to his religion, again
even though he received an apology. I also admired many things about
this individual, unfortunately he was very thin skinned with regard
to at least those 2 subjects. It is this type of thin skin that I
mean when I say it must hamper one's ability to function in the real
world. It certainly hampered his ability to learn from and enjoy
his NR experience. Perhaps if I were so sensitive, I would resign
over what I view as your insults.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Lucius Equitius: Quite right! Though I've never been subscribed to the 'Back
Alley', it's been because I simply don't have time. I certainly haven't
judged those who are subscribed, calling them a "Filthy Sewer Dweller".

Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] what's in the name.
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:33:48 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
>crept in, the language under went change. To see how much read Byzantine
>sometime. It is written with Greek letters, and his a hodgepodge

Strange that they never grasped the idea of nice neat inscriptions instead of what appear almost like graffiti. My favourite is a mosaic of Ste. Eirene labelled in Greek but with Hagia starting with H also used for the final Es of Eirene.
And in view of nominal confusion (compounded since nominal means something else!)
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: what's in the name.
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:38:32 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
>
>is thus far unique in Nova Roma. (And yes, I'm borrowing the
>practice from a guy who used to sign himself �Caesar.�)
>
Apart from the man's personal vanity, there must have been a similarity there with the habit of naming some Scottish clan chiefs the X of X - eg The McGregor of McGregor (and of course Latin has no def art). I don't know why others are not - you also get Campbell of That Ilk (of the same).
Vib Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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