Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Jewish clothes
From:	"elinla02" <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 05:02:09 -0000

Salvete amici:

First of all sorry for the recent events in Kenya.

I'm a painter and I have a little project in mind. Here, in Uruguay,
my family has many old friends in the little Jewish community, but
unfortunately nobody can help me with certain details. My last chance
is to ask you, with all rispect, if there is any site on the Internet
where I can see pictures or drawings or whatever of the ancient
Jewish garments; to be more precise, the ones used 2000 years ago.
In truth the painting will be a little tribute to the centurio
Cornelius, for me one of the loveliest creatures ever. I'd like to
depict him with the friends he surely had.
The fact is I have never associated Cornelius specifically with
Christianity but with pure friendship between cultures. I think of
him and I think tenderness and absolute beauty (don't know exactly
why). Maybe it's a matter of italic blood: I look at the picture of a
Roman soldier the same way as if it was a picture of a beloved
soldier grandpa, and it's a very strong feeling.

At least there are charming examples of Roman equipment, (ah! the ESG
is the cutest thing! Sorry members of our military sodalitates), but
in this other case I don't have any source and must say that I don't
trust the accuracy of any movie.
And that's it. Thank you very very much!!!

Valete bene.
Valeria Constanina Iuliana.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta -- Weekly Roman News and Archeology
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:22:52 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes,

a lot of news this week, especially about recent finds in Israel.
You can find them at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

I also left a few copies at the Taverna, please come, relax and have a drink!!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Taverna/

Valete,

=====
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A Question for the Tribuican Canidates
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:43:02 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

Since one of the canidates for Tribune resigned his
citizenship and left Nova Roma for a time in part
because of his oppistion to the Gender Name Edict/Lex
I would like to submit a question to all the remaining
canidates.

If you are elected will you promulgate a repeal of the
Gender name Lex or support a repeal if promulgated by
another Tribune?


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A Question for the Tribuican Canidates
From:	AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 07:02:52 EST

L. Sicinius Drusus:

I read the edict in the tabularium, at least the one I think you are
referring to, and from what I can see the lex looks reasonable. Granted I
was not present during any debate on the issue, and am unaware of any
loopholes that might be present in the lex. I do, however, see no problem in
requiring male citizens to utilize male Roman names as well as requiring
woman to use female Roman names. Seems reasonable to me.

If I am elected as a Tribune I will excercise the office with the highest
level of justice I can muster. I am not seeking this office to serve a
political agenda, but to serve the Republic. As a rule I prefer NOT to go
and repeal old legislation, but to serve as guardian of the people for future
legislation. I trust the Tribunes in the past did their jobs, and would have
repealed it if necessary. However, I believe that if there is something that
the Tribunes should address then they should do so collectively, and not
individually without any recourse to their fellow Tribunes. I stated in my
initial declaration that I wish to work WITH other magistrates (both
Patrician and Plebeian) to bring forth a better Nova Roma. I see much of the
political in-fighting a result of a clash of egos more than a clash of ideas.

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius
Flamen Pomonalis
Procurator - Lacus Magni

In a message dated 11/29/2002 6:44:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lsicinius@yahoo.com writes:

> Since one of the canidates for Tribune resigned his
> citizenship and left Nova Roma for a time in part
> because of his oppistion to the Gender Name Edict/Lex
> I would like to submit a question to all the remaining
> canidates.
>
> If you are elected will you promulgate a repeal of the
> Gender name Lex or support a repeal if promulgated by
> another Tribune?
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A Question for the Tribuican Canidates
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 04:40:42 -0800 (PST)

I Am refering to the Lex Cornelia et Maria de Mutandis
Nominibus.
The link to the Lex is
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-05-20-ii.html

The debate over this issuse was very devisive, and
caused a lot of ill will within Nova Roma. I think the
voters have a right to know if any canidates intend to
reopen that debate next year.

In case anyone thinks I'm trying to prevent a Lex I
agree with from being reviewed, I opposed it. My
concern now is not the lex itself, but the reopening
of old wounds.

--- AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com wrote:
> L. Sicinius Drusus:
>
> I read the edict in the tabularium, at least the one
> I think you are
> referring to, and from what I can see the lex looks
> reasonable. Granted I
> was not present during any debate on the issue, and
> am unaware of any
> loopholes that might be present in the lex. I do,
> however, see no problem in
> requiring male citizens to utilize male Roman names
> as well as requiring
> woman to use female Roman names. Seems reasonable
> to me.
>
> If I am elected as a Tribune I will excercise the
> office with the highest
> level of justice I can muster. I am not seeking
> this office to serve a
> political agenda, but to serve the Republic. As a
> rule I prefer NOT to go
> and repeal old legislation, but to serve as guardian
> of the people for future
> legislation. I trust the Tribunes in the past did
> their jobs, and would have
> repealed it if necessary. However, I believe that
> if there is something that
> the Tribunes should address then they should do so
> collectively, and not
> individually without any recourse to their fellow
> Tribunes. I stated in my
> initial declaration that I wish to work WITH other
> magistrates (both
> Patrician and Plebeian) to bring forth a better Nova
> Roma. I see much of the
> political in-fighting a result of a clash of egos
> more than a clash of ideas.
>
> Vale;
>
> G. Modius Athanasius
> Flamen Pomonalis
> Procurator - Lacus Magni
>
> In a message dated 11/29/2002 6:44:18 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> lsicinius@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > Since one of the canidates for Tribune resigned
> his
> > citizenship and left Nova Roma for a time in part
> > because of his oppistion to the Gender Name
> Edict/Lex
> > I would like to submit a question to all the
> remaining
> > canidates.
> >
> > If you are elected will you promulgate a repeal of
> the
> > Gender name Lex or support a repeal if promulgated
> by
> > another Tribune?
> >
> >
> > =====
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


=====
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"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A Question for the Tribuican Canidates
From:	Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 05:43:44 -0800 (PST)

i would not necessarily initiate on my own unless it a majority of Nova Romans supported it. If another tribune called for the repeal of it I would need to know that tribune's reasons before i decided
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> wrote:Salvete,

Since one of the canidates for Tribune resigned his
citizenship and left Nova Roma for a time in part
because of his oppistion to the Gender Name Edict/Lex
I would like to submit a question to all the remaining
canidates.

If you are elected will you promulgate a repeal of the
Gender name Lex or support a repeal if promulgated by
another Tribune?


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Endorsement for Gaius Modius Athanasius
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 06:12:57 -0800 (PST)

I wish to once again endorse Gaius Modius Athanasius for TRIBUNUS PLEBIS. I have found him to be an honourable and trustworthy citizen who would serve the Republic well.

He is very active in Provincia Lacus Magni, where I am Propraetor. He has helped improve our provincia with his ideas, time and money. I have never known him not to keep his word or not to help out when asked.

I request that you vote for for him in the upcoming election. He will serve with the utmost respect for the office and the people of Nova Roma.

Thank you,






Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Jewish garments
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:16:37 -0500

On Friday, November 29, 2002, at 09:35 AM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

> if there is any site on the Internet
> where I can see pictures or drawings or whatever of the ancient
> Jewish garments; to be more precise, the ones used 2000 years ago.

Here is some information from A.T. Croom's book, "Roman Clothing and
Fashion":

Men's costume in ancient Judaea was very similar to that in Greece,
consisting of a tunic and a mantle. The tunic was made of two
rectangles of cloth sewn together, with spaces for the head and arms,
and decorated with two stripes. The mantle was a rectangular piece of
cloth with a tassel at each corner. Unlike Roman men, Jewish men did
not wear hobnails in the soles of their shoes. Men were supposed to
wear only white, but this was not strictly enforced.

Women's outfits were a bit more complicated. Start with an ankle-length
undertunic with wide, elbow-length sleeves, then add a shorter
tube-dress on top, fastened on the left side of the chest. A veil over
the head hangs down to the hips, and the mantle is worn as a kind of
overskirt, with the top folded down and tied or fastened around the
hips. Women could wear any color except red, but always kept their hair
covered when outside.

I hope this helps!

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A Question for the Tribuican Canidates
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:43:53 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Since one of the canidates for Tribune resigned his
> citizenship and left Nova Roma for a time in part
> because of his oppistion to the Gender Name Edict/Lex
> I would like to submit a question to all the remaining
> canidates.
>
> If you are elected will you promulgate a repeal of the
> Gender name Lex or support a repeal if promulgated by
> another Tribune?
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
> (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
> Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
>
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No. The law has it's purpose and the people have already expressed
their will.

Vale,
Gaius Popilius Laenas
Consular Quaestor
Praefectus Regio Magna Flumen America Austrorientalis
Candidate for Tribune

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nova Romans FYI [Roman_History_Books] The Eagle and the Raven
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:26:46 -0500

Salve, if you are interested in reading and discussing Roman history and fiction you might want to try this group.

Vale,
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] SEEKING CANDIDATES FOR THE POSITIONS OF DOMINI FACTIONUM FOR 2756
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:11:34 +0100

Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.

Hereby I ask FOR candidates for the leadership of the four Factiones
in the Ludi Circenses, these leaders, each called Dominus Factionis,
will have the following tasks:

I. Each Factio shall have a Dominus Factionis. The Dominus Factionis
will have the following tasks:
I.I. To manage the advertising of his/her Factio on the Nova Roma
main list (novaroma@yahoogroups.com) and use the web page of the
Factio (a page on the Cohors Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) web-site or a
web-site of their own organized by the Factio itself as agreed with
the next years Senior Curule Aedile and his Cohors.
I.II To enlist new Chariot-owners (members) for his/her Factio
I.III. To organize chats, meetings and everything needed to improve
the activities in his/her Factio.
I.IV. To keep the spirit of the Ludi Circenses alive until the end of 2756.
I.V. To be the chief and foremost representative of his Factio
behaving with proper Romanitas, supervised by the Senior Curule Aedile

II. The Dominus Factionis for each Factio will be elected among the
citizens who have been competing for that Factio during 2755. The
election will be organised through each citizen and member of a
certain Factio sending _one_ vote to Illustrus Franciscus Apulus
Caesar who adds the votes for each Factio, the candidates with the
most votes will be elected that Factio's Dominus Factionis.

III. Each candidate will have to announce their candidacy for the
position of Dominus Factionis for their Factio on the Nova Roma main
list (novaroma@yahoogroups.com) to become the Dominus Factionis for
the Factio that they have competed for during the Ludi Circenses of
2755. These are the Factionii that need a Dominus Factionis: Russata,
Praesina, Veneta and Albata

IV. If no other candidates announce themselves for election the
Domini Factionum will be appointed according to "Edictum Aedilicium
XVII about the appointment of four Domini Factionum for 2756 A.U.C."

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
Senior Consul Designatus MMDCCLVI A.U.C.
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cfq_for_consul/index.html
************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A Question for the Tribuican Canidates
From:	"Daniel" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:29:53 -0000

Salve L. Sicini Druse
If I am elected Tribunus plebis, I won´t support any repeal of the
Gender name Lex
Bene Vale

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
Candidate for Tribunus Plebis

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Since one of the canidates for Tribune resigned his
> citizenship and left Nova Roma for a time in part
> because of his oppistion to the Gender Name Edict/Lex
> I would like to submit a question to all the remaining
> canidates.
>
> If you are elected will you promulgate a repeal of the
> Gender name Lex or support a repeal if promulgated by
> another Tribune?
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
> (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
> Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
>
> __________________________________________________
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: SEEKING CANDIDATES FOR THE POSITIONS OF DOMINI FACTIONUM FOR 2756 A.U.C.
From:	"Daniel" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:35:49 -0000

Salvete omnes.
Even though I´m among the 8 candidates stated by the Edictum
Aedilicium XVII , I do hereby state my candidature for Dominus
Factionis Veneta.

Bene Valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.
>
> Hereby I ask FOR candidates for the leadership of the four
Factiones
> in the Ludi Circenses, these leaders, each called Dominus
Factionis,
> will have the following tasks:
>
> I. Each Factio shall have a Dominus Factionis. The Dominus Factionis
> will have the following tasks:
> I.I. To manage the advertising of his/her Factio on the Nova Roma
> main list (novaroma@y...) and use the web page of the
> Factio (a page on the Cohors Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) web-site or
a
> web-site of their own organized by the Factio itself as agreed with
> the next years Senior Curule Aedile and his Cohors.
> I.II To enlist new Chariot-owners (members) for his/her Factio
> I.III. To organize chats, meetings and everything needed to
improve
> the activities in his/her Factio.
> I.IV. To keep the spirit of the Ludi Circenses alive until the end
of 2756.
> I.V. To be the chief and foremost representative of his Factio
> behaving with proper Romanitas, supervised by the Senior Curule
Aedile
>
> II. The Dominus Factionis for each Factio will be elected among the
> citizens who have been competing for that Factio during 2755. The
> election will be organised through each citizen and member of a
> certain Factio sending _one_ vote to Illustrus Franciscus Apulus
> Caesar who adds the votes for each Factio, the candidates with the
> most votes will be elected that Factio's Dominus Factionis.
>
> III. Each candidate will have to announce their candidacy for the
> position of Dominus Factionis for their Factio on the Nova Roma
main
> list (novaroma@y...) to become the Dominus Factionis for
> the Factio that they have competed for during the Ludi Circenses of
> 2755. These are the Factionii that need a Dominus Factionis:
Russata,
> Praesina, Veneta and Albata
>
> IV. If no other candidates announce themselves for election the
> Domini Factionum will be appointed according to "Edictum Aedilicium
> XVII about the appointment of four Domini Factionum for 2756 A.U.C."
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
> Propraetor Thules
> AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> "Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
> ************************************************
> Senior Consul Designatus MMDCCLVI A.U.C.
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cfq_for_consul/index.html
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> "Integrity, Accountability, Reform"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness