| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:32:45 -0600 |
|
"This paragraph just proofs how well you know the history of the nations
you mentioned above, how well you understand they current situation and
how enlightened you are on world issues generally.
I have an advice for you. Before insulting anyone, please think it twice."
Thank you. You want me to cite examples of how some of the countries mentioned, in the not-so-distanant pass, treated their neighbors? No? Didn't think so.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl
Salvete Quirites.
I feel the urge to enter this discussion to clear a few points:
--- Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> escribió:
> "I rather fear this bespeaks a dangerous mixture of patriotism and
> ignorance of other places."
>
> Americans are not ignorant of other places. We have no illusions
> concerning Japan, Scandanavia, or France for that matter. Your rank
> and file American would consider them Utopian dictatorships where its
> citizens have given up basic rights to feel safer and have their
> government take care of them.
To say that Japan or France are "dictatorships" does not do much to
proof that you have no illusions concerning those nations.
As for Scandinavia (check spelling), it is not a country, but a
peninsula divided into three countries: Norway, Sweden and Finland,
none of which can be considered a "dictatorship" under any definition
of that term.
I admire the United States of America in many ways, and I think that I
have always shown respect to that nation and to its citizens on this
mailing list. I think that, in return, a little respect for the
institutions of those nations is not too much to ask for.
> As I've posted before, one doesn't have to go back far in history to
> observe those very same countries as superpowers who literally ran
> amok around the globe "colonizing" and exploiting third world
> nations. Now you all are super enlightened powers who exhort us to
> act as you do. Those countries got fat and rich from the pilliaging
> of underdeveloped nations. Now that you're all set up, we're supposed
> to lay down our arms and give peace a chance. The gall and hypocrisy
> of your attitude is staggering. Its awful. In fact, it would
> sacreligious to say that it is anything less than God-awful.
This paragraph just proofs how well you know the history of the nations
you mentioned above, how well you understand they current situation and
how enlightened you are on world issues generally.
I have an advice for you. Before insulting anyone, please think it twice.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Provincia Argentina 2nd anniversary 2do aniversario |
| From: |
Alexander La <arlarosa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:40:42 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete omnes,
Felicitaciones y mucha suerte para todos¡
Q. Octavius Hispanicus
Congratulations and good luck¡
--- Daniel Villanueva <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> wrote:
>
> Segundo aniversario provincia Argentina
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> El 5 de Diciembre se cumplen 2 años de la creación
> de nuestra provincia Argentina.
>
> Este año ha sido un año muy difícil para todos,
> incluso dos de nuestros coprovincianos novaromanos
> han dejado nuestra macronación incluyendo nuestro
> illustrus magister de latín, Lucius Sergius Lupus.
> Durante el año él ha dado clases de latín para los
> novaromanos de Buenos Aires hasta su partida en
> Agosto pasado.
>
> Esperando que el próximo año sea mejor para todos
> los saluda cordialmente vuestro propraetor
>
> Bene Valete.
>
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> Proprætor provincialis Argentinæ
>
>
>
> Second anniversary of provincia Argentina.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> December the 5th, 2002 is the second anniversary of
> our provincia Argentina. This has been a very hard
> year for everybody, even two of our novaromans left
> our macronation including our illustrus magister of
> Latin, Lucius Sergius Lupus. During the year he
> taught Latin for the Novaromans from Buenos Aires
> until the month of August, when he departed.
>
> Your proprætor is ending this letter wishing a
> better new year for everybody.
>
> Bene Valete.
>
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> Proprætor provincialis Argentinæ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Provincia Argentina 2nd anniversary 2do aniversario |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:57:44 -0500 |
|
Salve Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Congratulations on you second anniversary Do you have anything you would like to place in the Eagle Newsletter from the province? Dates of up coming events, an article on this year highlights or plans for next year anything that you would like to put in we will accommodate .
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differium-Elect
----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander La
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Provincia Argentina 2nd anniversary 2do aniversario
Salvete omnes,
Felicitaciones y mucha suerte para todos!
Q. Octavius Hispanicus
Congratulations and good luck!
--- Daniel Villanueva <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> wrote:
>
> Segundo aniversario provincia Argentina
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> El 5 de Diciembre se cumplen 2 aqos de la creacisn
> de nuestra provincia Argentina.
>
> Este aqo ha sido un aqo muy difmcil para todos,
> incluso dos de nuestros coprovincianos novaromanos
> han dejado nuestra macronacisn incluyendo nuestro
> illustrus magister de latmn, Lucius Sergius Lupus.
> Durante el aqo il ha dado clases de latmn para los
> novaromanos de Buenos Aires hasta su partida en
> Agosto pasado.
>
> Esperando que el prsximo aqo sea mejor para todos
> los saluda cordialmente vuestro propraetor
>
> Bene Valete.
>
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> Proprftor provincialis Argentinf
>
>
>
> Second anniversary of provincia Argentina.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> December the 5th, 2002 is the second anniversary of
> our provincia Argentina. This has been a very hard
> year for everybody, even two of our novaromans left
> our macronation including our illustrus magister of
> Latin, Lucius Sergius Lupus. During the year he
> taught Latin for the Novaromans from Buenos Aires
> until the month of August, when he departed.
>
> Your proprftor is ending this letter wishing a
> better new year for everybody.
>
> Bene Valete.
>
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> Proprftor provincialis Argentinf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!! |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:33:16 -0600 |
|
Isn't that "cheating"?
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----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
Salvete,
I sent Stephanie the answers to her questions.
Whew! Quite a list.
Valete,
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] elections |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:31:29 -0800 |
|
Avete Omnes,
Depending on the Auguries around Dec. 9th or 10th we will have elections. We must maintain our religious obligations and always clear the dates with our Augurs.
This election will have the runoffs and I am hoping 2 laws. First a Voter Fraud law. Second a law prohibiting Multiple citizenships.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] elections
Salve Gai Galeri,
> Could anybody tell me when are the runoff elections due?
My colleague sets the schedule in even-numbered months, so I do
not yet know myself when the election will be.
Vale, Octavius.
--
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Censor-Elect 2756
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!! |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:47:05 -0500 |
|
Savle , I hope not because I sent some help. Isn't this tutoring
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:39 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
Isn't that "cheating"?
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----- Original Message -----
From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
Salvete,
I sent Stephanie the answers to her questions.
Whew! Quite a list.
Valete,
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta -- Weekly Roman News and Archeology |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:28:36 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Omnes,
keep updated on Roman news with:
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/
Enjoy!!
Valete,
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Propraetor Galliae
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!! |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:09:10 +0100 |
|
Salve,
>I hope not because I sent some help. Isn't this tutoring
>Isn't that "cheating"?
Don't forget that this 13 year old girl will have to translate everything
into Dutch before she submits her paper, which will mean that everything
will be in her own words and those of a 13 yeard old's at that. It's the
same as if she had found the info in an encyclopedia.
It's really amazing when you look at the Flemish ediucational system and
find 13 year olds who can read and write in 3 foreign languages already.
vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl (from the former M. Varius) |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:52:26 +0100 |
|
Dear Mike,
>Based on what I have read in people's interactions on this news list, it is
> highly unlikely that I will return to Nova Roma in the future.
In all fairness, I don't think that anyone meant to be rude. Everyone was
upset that you and your wife left NR. When I am unhappy that someone leaves
NR, I try to express my feeling directly: 'It's a shame that they left' but
other people may react closer to 'They're stupid for leaving!' etc. etc. But
the sentiment and bottom line are still the same: no one wanted you to
leave. It's the same when a child nearly gets hurt, and the parents, who are
so relieved, end up screaming at the kid that he is an idiot for not being
careful rather than hugging him/her and saying 'Thank God that you are ok'.
Vale and good luck to both you and your wife!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] test, ignore it please |
| From: |
"coriolanvs" <coriolanvs@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:34:56 -0000 |
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Nationality... and all this |
| From: |
"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius \(E-mail\)" <sceptia@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:50:14 +0100 |
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Salve Caesariensis
-----Original Message-----
>From : sceptia <sceptia@yahoo.es>
>
>First of all, we all citizens of our countrys, being those Germany,
>Italy, Argentina or any other one. That means that we have been bred
>in a macronational state, that is clear. But...
>
This is a quite extraordinary argument coming from an American since it is a
rejection of federalism.
SCE: I'm not american, friend, just a spanish one. So I do not find the
extraordinary on this statement. :-)
Nova Roma fits in practice as a 'mental' affiliation no different from a
club with its own rules and officers, within larger macronational
affiliations and that is the essence of federalism, something the USA has
traditionally done extremely well down to very small town levels and is at
the heart of most modern national states. In one in fact, those who make a
point of being 'English' rather than 'Yorkshiremen' or 'Cornishmen' or
'British Indian' etc. are usually assumed neo-fascist.
SCE: Well, I think that everyone is proud of being from a local place. For
example, a person enjoys being from a city, a certain neighborhood, even
from a certain house, but naming it "neo-fascist"... I do not find it a very
roman word, nor a proper one.
I just poinbted out that we are something (German, Italian, french) but up
to that Nova Roman citizens... Does it matters the country? A little bit.
Just that. :-)
It is something Europe used to do but in a very top-down fashion when
allegience was to the local landowner, his landowner and so on up to the
King and possibly Emperor. While it's reasonable for nations to check up on
alien-affiliated groupings, to fear anything going further than that
presupposes return to the worst kind of MacCarthy unconstitutionalism.
Caesariensis.
SCE: Do not understand you fully here... what do you mean?
Sceptius
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Baby born!! Naissance!! |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:42:24 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete,
it is my great pleasure to announce the birth of Messala from future Nova Roman parents,
Aelia Minia Ocellina Marociae and Aquila Minius Pompéius Palladia !! This baby boy is
doing fine and so does the happy mum. Congratulations!!
A great honor for Gallia!! (tonight free drinks for eveybody at the Taverna. Marinus,
please prepare the bottles...)
C'est mon grand plaisir d'annoncer la naissance d'un nouveau petit romain au joli nom de
Messala. Félicitatins de la part de Gallia aux heureux parents, Aelia Minia Ocellina
Marociae et Aquila Minius Pompéius Palladia, et futurs citoyens romains.
(ce soir tournée générale à la Taverna. Marinus, débouche donc quelques bonnes
bouteilles...)
Valete,
=====
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Propraetor Galliae
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!! |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Stephanie?= <lucrecia_aura@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:13:36 -0300 (ART) |
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Salve,
Please, It explains me, therefore I believe that I did not understand what it wanted to say!
Valete bene
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!! |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:43:54 -0600 |
|
Yas, tutoring. I'm just funnin' wid you.
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
Savle , I hope not because I sent some help. Isn't this tutoring
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:39 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
Isn't that "cheating"?
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----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
Salvete,
I sent Stephanie the answers to her questions.
Whew! Quite a list.
Valete,
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Nationality... and all this |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Stephanie?= <lucrecia_aura@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:08:30 -0300 (ART) |
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But, to start I did not obtain to understand well its email very, but I strengtove myself and for what I understood!
first, I do not know as to answer this perguta of what I mean, but find that all the countries are really very important, therefore each one has its function, and the citizens also because without them the world would not be nothing! if it will be able to order e-mails to mtherefore I do not know the English language very well, and for me to answer is a little complicated!
I will be grateful.
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Provincia Argentina 2nd anniversary 2do aniversario |
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Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:25:02 -0300 (ART) |
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Salvete Quirites, et salve Illustrious Propraetor
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus.
--- Daniel Villanueva <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
escreveu: >
> Segundo aniversario provincia Argentina
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> El 5 de Diciembre se cumplen 2 años de la creación
> de nuestra provincia Argentina.
M.ARMINIUS: My congratulations! Congratulations for
Lucius Pompeius, who worked hard for the establishment
and growt of this Province. And congratulations for
all the argentinian cives. Happy birthday for
Provincia Argentina of Nova Roma!
> Este año ha sido un año muy difícil para todos,
> incluso dos de nuestros coprovincianos novaromanos
> han dejado nuestra macronación incluyendo nuestro
> illustrus magister de latín, Lucius Sergius Lupus.
> Durante el año él ha dado clases de latín para los
> novaromanos de Buenos Aires hasta su partida en
> Agosto pasado.
>
> Esperando que el próximo año sea mejor para todos
> los saluda cordialmente vuestro propraetor
>
> Bene Valete.
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Proprætor provincialis Argentinæ
Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Propraetor, Provincia Brasilia
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[Nova-Roma] Senate Voting Results |
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Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:19:43 -0300 (ART) |
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Tribunis Plebis Marcus Arminius Maior Quiritibus SPD
Senate Voting Results 02/dec.
The Senate has finished its latest session, and the
votes have been tallied, as below.
The following 16 Senatores cast votes. They are
referred to below by their initials, and are listed in
alphabetical order by nomen:
Marcus Arminius Maior (MAM)
Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Patricia Cassia (PC)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (LCSF)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (CFQ)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)
Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Gaius Marius Merullus (CMM)
Marcus Minucius Audens (MMA)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato (ATMC)
The following senators did not vote:
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero
Senator Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonius
voted after the closing of the session.
"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item,
"ANTIQUO" or "NEGAT" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO"
is an abstention.
The schedule:
Voting began at 18:00 Roman time on Thursday, 27
November and ended at 18:00 Roman time Saturday, 30
November.
The items for consideration are as follows:
-----
ITEM I - Budget for 2756 (as prepared by G. Popillius
Laenas)
Item PASSED *unanimously*. Uti Rogas (Yes): 16 votes;
Antiquo (No):0 votes.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MCJ : Uti Rogas.
PC : Uti Rogas, with thanks to Gaius Popillius for
his excellent work this year.
LCSF: Uti Rogas.
LEC : Uti Rogas.
CFQ : Uti Rogas. I am not quite satisfied with the
answers about the Budget that I have got, but as I may
together with my colleague for the comming year
propose changes in the Senate I will accept it.
QFM : Uti Rogas.
CFD : Uti Rogas.
AGG : Uti Rogas.
DIPI: Uti Rogas.
TLF : Uti Rogas.
CMM : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Uti Rogas.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
LSAO: Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Uti Rogas.
ITEM II - Payment of $150 to Provincia Lacus Magni for
September event
First, I wish to close out this year of the
administration on the Provincia Lacus Magni by
submitting a request for reimbursement of funds for
the 2nd Annual Lacus Magni Gathering. As many of you
know, at the end of lst Sept., the annual gathering
was held in Columbus, Ohio. We had food, contests and
a good time.
A tally of expenses for this gathering are as follows:
Food for the event: $75.00
Deposit for event shelterhouse: $25.00
General event Items: (Signs, decorations, Prizes, Gift
Exclusives, etc.) $50.00
Total Cost: $150.00
I ask for reimbursement of $150.00 for this event.
Thank you.
---
Item PASSED. Uti Rogas (Yes): 15 votes; Antiquo (No):0
votes; Abstineo:1 vote.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MCJ : Uti Rogas.
PC : Uti Rogas.
LCSF: Uti Rogas.
LEC : Abstineo.
CFQ : Uti Rogas. As I have said before I think that
this and other events should have our economic
support.
QFM : Uti Rogas.
CFD : Uti Rogas.
AGG : Uti Rogas.
DIPI: Uti Rogas.
TLF : Uti Rogas. This sort of thing is what the
treasury is for, nonne?
CMM : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Uti Rogas.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
LSAO: Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Uti Rogas.
ITEM III - Establish office of Princeps Senatus and
set qualifications
I. The position of Princeps Senatus is hereby created.
II. The priviliges of the Princeps Senatus are as
follows:
A. The right to use the title "Princeps Senatus" in
communications;
B. A notation of "Princeps Senatus" status in the
Album Civium, Album Senatorium, Annales, and other
relevant pages on the web site;
C. To be considered first in seniority among Senators
not currently holding the offices of Censor, Consul,
or Praetor, as an amendment to Section IV.B.1. of the
Senatus Consultum de Ratione Senatus.
III. The qualifications of any candidate nominated for
appointment as Princeps Senatus are as follows:
A. The candidate must have served a full term as
Consul or Censor;
B. and, the candidate must be at or above the median
age of Senators, unless that candidate has previously
served full terms as both Censor and Consul, in which
case the age requirement shall not apply;
C. and, the candidate must have served as a Senator
for a length of time equal to or greater than the
median;
D. and, the candidate must be a Patrician at the time
of his nomination;
E. and, the candidate must be, in the opinions of his
fellow Senators, of the highest moral character,
dignitas and auctoritas.
IV. The title of Princeps Senatus is granted by
Senatus Consultum. A qualifying candidate is nominated
by the proposal of a Senatus Consultum naming that
person Princeps Senatus; if two-thirds of the votes on
that Senatus Consultum are affirmative,that Senator
then becomes Princeps Senatus.
A. Should no suitable candidate be available, or no
proposed Senatus Consultum nominating a candidate be
made, the position will remain vacant until a suitable
candidate is proposed.
V. The tenure of a Princeps Senatus is for five years.
It may be terminated prematurely only by death, by a
complete cessation of communications lasting one year
or more, by termination of
citizenship, or by resignation or ejection from the
Senate.
---
Item NOT PASSED. Uti Rogas (Yes):7 votes; Antiquo
(No):8 votes. Abstineo: 1 vote.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MCJ : Uti Rogas.
PC : Uti Rogas.
LCSF: Antiquo.
LEC : Antiquo. I do this as a matter of Pietas.
Without going into detail I'll just say that the
matter was initiated in an 'inauspicious' way. It is
my firm belief that this path leads to negative
consequences. I ask you to consider the merits of the
proposal and what good comes from it. What is the
benefit to Nova Roma? Is the Senate a 'mutual
admiration society'? Benefictarius, endless
appointments to Legate and Scriba of this, that, and
the other, and rounds of back slapping and back
scratching. Let us turn from these things and turn to
the work of building Nova Roma and the Religio Romana.
CFQ : Uti Rogas. I have commented on this usbject
before. I accept this proposal, but I would prefer to
have the Censors appoint the Princeps Senatus as it
was done in ancient times.
QFM : Antiquo. My reasons are twofold. Censors
traditionally occupied the position. Even the first
elected became a Censor in two years. Second, it is
too early. I wish to wait 10 years, to revisit this,
we have been around five and have gotten along fine
without it. We are not about mutual admiration. We are
about serving Rome.
CFD : Abstineo. The whole matter isn´t ready to vote
about yet. There are several things to discuss, both
political and religious aspects, and we shouldn´t
break this over the knee. I don´t vote "antiquo"
because the whole idea is worth to consider and
discuss in future.
AGG : Antiquo. I think that there are many good
people in this Senate able to occupy this honourable
position. But I have no faith that it will be always
like that, and with the unavoidable corruption of
institutions that always take place from time to time,
I see such a precedent as potentially very dangerous.
Moreove the word "princeps" scares me and it reminds
me that the patres conscripti of old took similar
initiatives that inadvertedly led to civil wars and
the ruin of the res publica. As such, I pay here my
homage to all those who could competently and in good
faith occupy this position and ask for their
forgiveness. With the same good faith as a senator my
conscience forces me to vote against this initiative.
DIPI: Antiquo. I have no objection to the creation
of such an office at the proper time. However, it is
too early in our history for such a position and no
one fits the bill yet, to use a colloquialism. I think
the office as written up will make a good template for
when we are truly ready for this office. It is a
decent proposal, we are just not quite ready for it.
TLF : Uti Rogas. I would prefer to have the censores
appoint the princeps senatus, as was done in
antiquity. And, I am a little troubled by the
political tug of war that has ensued over what is
really nothing more than an honorary title; it's an
inauspicious start for an institution. Still, the
position is otherwise defined properly with respect to
ancient practice, and there is little in Nova Roma
that isn't done without political controversy.
Therefore, I do not see a compelling reason to stand
in the way of reinstating this Roman tradition.
CMM : Antiquo. I vote against establishing this
institution at this time. The introduction of the item
has sparked a debate that brought out the worst in
some of us and produced significant bickering and
animosity. The benefit of the institution to Nova Roma
is not very clear to me, but the likelihood of renewed
conflict over the management of it is. Some things are
worth fighting for, this is not.
MMA : Uti Rogas.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
LSAO: Antiquo. I am persuaded that at this time this
move would not be in the best interests of the
Republic. The interpersonal rancor that has been
occasioned by it in the Senate is disheartening,
coming as it does on the heels of other recent
outbreaks of unbecoming nastiness here. I also take to
heart L. Equitius' interpretation of the auspices of
the matter. The senator who has been mentioned as a
prime candidate for this honor is certainly deserving
of such honors, but I would prefer for us to be able
to bestow formal honors, if we choose to do so, with
more decorum and unanimity than has been demonstrated
here at this time. I suggest we reconsider this when
we can be more together on it.
ATMC: Antiquo. I believe that this bill is too
hasty, and should perhaps be looked at more closely,
and there may be other ideas that can be looked at as
well.
ITEM IV - Appointment of Senator Appius Tullius
Marcellus Cato as Propraetor Pro Tempore Canadae
Orientalis.
Item PASSED *unanimously*. Uti Rogas (Yes): 15 votes;
Antiquo (No):0 votes; Abstineo:1 vote.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MCJ : Uti Rogas.
PC : Uti Rogas.
LCSF: Uti Rogas.
LEC : Uti Rogas.
CFQ : Uti Rogas. He has my trust.
QFM : Uti Rogas. Excellent and honorable candidate.
CFD : Uti Rogas. May the gods smile on him.
AGG : Uti Rogas.
DIPI: Uti Rogas.
TLF : Uti Rogas.
CMM : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Uti Rogas. I am pleased to make the affirmation
based on the tireless efforts of this gentleman, and
in appreciation for the promotion of his province and
Nova Roma with the introduction of the "Canadian Roman
Event." I expect that Senator Cato will continue his
determined and excellent work for Nova Roma.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
LSAO: Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Abstineo.
- Senator Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato is now the
Propraetor, Pro Tempore, of the Canada Orientalis
Province. His mandate will go until march/2756.
ITEM V - Appointment of Caius Minucius Hadrianus as
Propraetor Novae Britanniae.
Item PASSED *unanimously*. Uti Rogas (Yes): 16 votes;
Antiquo (No):0 votes.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MCJ : Uti Rogas.
PC : Uti Rogas, with pleasure. Hadrianus has been an
active and positive presence in our Province.
LCSF: Uti Rogas.
LEC : Uti Rogas.
CFQ : Uti Rogas. I also trust this gentleman.
QFM : Uti Rogas. Another good candidate. Marcus
Minucius has trained him well.
CFD : Uti Rogas. May he serve our res publica well.
Welcome among the governors.
AGG : Uti Rogas.
DIPI: Uti Rogas.
TLF : Uti Rogas.
CMM : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Uti Rogas. I am also pleased to affirm with my
vote the efforts of my Legate, and his efforts in the
Nova Britannia Provincia. He has been of great
assistance to me, and has learned the lessons of
Provincial Management well. I am convinced that he
will in his continuing efforts move the provincia to
new hieghts of accomplishment to the honor of Nova
Roma.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
LSAO: Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Uti Rogas. I believe that he is well qualified
for the office, and give him my vote.
- Gaius Minucius Hadrianus will be the next Propraetor
of Nova Britannia. His mandate will start at
01/january/2756.
Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Senate appointments |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:11:43 -0000 |
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M Arminius Maior writes:
> Cives, please check at the Album Senatorium;
> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/senators
> Nova Roma has two new Senatores:
> > Propraetor Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> > Et
> > Propraetor Lucius Sicinius Drusus
Congratulations gentlemen!
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Baby Born! Naissance! |
| From: |
"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:00:41 -0800 (PST) |
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Congratulations, Aelia Minia et Aquila Minius!
Felicitatins pour la naissance de votre fils! :D
---
Renata Corva
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Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."
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[Nova-Roma] Directions to the Georgia get together! ALL ARE WELCOME! |
| From: |
"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:14:40 -0000 |
|
Below is attached the original letter I put out on the unofficial
meeting this Sarurday (tomorrow) Please feel free to drop by, if even
just for a little bit!
Directions:
First of all, get on GA 400.
Take Exit 7A GA-140 E to Norcross
go Northeast for 0.4 miles 13.0
Continue on Holcomb Bridge Rd, GA-140 and go Southeast for 0.9 miles
to Archstone Roswell (on the left)
Once you arrive, head into the complex. Proceed inside until you see
a building on the left, with the parking lot in front. Proceed to the
end of the lot closest to the lake. You will see a chubby blonde guy
in a black chevy s-10 blazer! My name is Will, so come one down!
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
--- In Austrorientalis@y..., "William Rogers" <wlr107@y...> wrote:
> Friends in the Providence,
>
> I wish to formally announce a regional meeting! This is considered
> an "unofficial" meeting. The purpose of the meeting is simple:
>
> Gather together the people of our great providence in celebration
and fellowship!
>
> ALL are welcome, from within and without the providence. It will be
> an afternoon and evening of relaxing and meeting fellow Nova Romans!
>
> The program is simple: We shall meet at my home (or my complexe's
> clubhouse) 5pm on Saturday December 7th (Pearl Harbor Day). I shall
> provide WW2 movies, Gladiator, and other DVD's, several games of
> enjoyment (Featuring Republic of Rome especially), and some snacks.
>
> Please feel free to contact me at the below address, phone, e-mail
to confirm your arrival (So we will know how much to buy). If you
need a place to sleep, we have LOTS of floor space, so bring a bag!
All are welcome to stay overnight, no problem at all (that's why we
have the spare bathroom!)
>
> Please confirm as soon as possible, so I can plan for where we will
> hold the activity.
>
> Publius Tarquitius Rufus/Will Rogers
> 3309 Calibre Creek Parkway
> Roswell, GA 30076
> Home: 770-993-5314
> Work: 404-442-8811
> Cell: 770-862-8811
> PGER: 770-247-1639
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidate for AEDILIS PLEBIS needed |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:10:11 -0300 (ART) |
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Salvete Quirites, et salve Illustrious Publius
Tarquitius Rufus
--- William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com> escreveu: >
> Sir,
>
> I am Publius Tarquitius Rufus. I live in Atlanta,
> GA. I am a recent
> member of Nova Roma. If it is permitted, I shall
> GLADLY stand forward
> to offer myself as a Candidate for the open post. I
> am 40 years, so I
> meet that requirement easily. :-) I have been a
> member less than six
> months, so I shall require a waiver on that count.
M.ARMINIUS: Thank very much for your offering, Rufe.
However, according to the Lex Vedia de Curso Honorum,
a waiver for lenght of citizenship is not allowed, but
only for age. The same law allows you to candidate,
but you can only take office after the six-months
period. That is, you can be elected now, but you can
only be the Aedilis Plebis in 23/april.
However, due to a great lack of manpower, i accept you
candidature, and i suggest that, in the meantime, you
can work with the elected Plebeian Aedile as his
scribe.
> I see service as something I owe to Nova Roma, not
> as a step to
> something else. I deeply believe that service to
> what one loves is
> the best method of demonstrating our love of that
> orgainzation/cause/purpose. Hence, I stand forth.
M.ARMINIUS: Again, thank you very much, Rufe! Your
comprimise to Nova Roma and your willingness to serve
is an example for us.
> In Humility,
> Publius Tarquitius Rufus
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The Best City |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:08:04 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites,
In Antiquita Roman citizens looked apon thier city as
the best city in the Empire. Roma, Neopolis, Athens,
or Alexanedria, the Romans who lived there were
convinced that they lived in the finest city in the
world.
In Modern times nations have replaced Cities as the
focal point of civic idenity, but the attitude remains
that the modern nation that one resides in is the best
in Nova Roma. That attitude is no different than our
ancesters pride in thier city.
What is different is our ability to quickly transmit
our pride in our "city" to the residents of the other
"cities" in Nova Roma. This is a good thing if it
involves praising the Nova Roman accomplishments of
your city or Provincia on this list.
It becomes harmful when you chose this list as a forum
to discuss the percieved short commings of modern
nations that Nova Roman citizens live in. All that
will accomplish is making other citizens angry and
that they will post some crictism in return. Pride in
your area of our Nova Roman world is normal and
healthy as long as that pride dosen't extend to
belittling the areas other citizens live in.
If you want to discuss modern national politics with
other Nova Romans, please take it to the Back Alley
where that subject is among the many non-roman topics
that come up.
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!! |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:55:11 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete!
I e-mailed the girl in Dutch in order to help her out;
it may be easier for her this way.
Valete bene
--- cassius622@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> This was just sent to me. Can anyone on the list
> help this person? I'm at
> work now and will be away for the evening... I can't
> possibly get to this for
> almost 24 hours. Many thanks!
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
> ***********************************************
> In a message dated 12/5/02 2:21:45 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> paul.raman@publilink.be writes:
>
> > Ave,
> >
> > I am Stéphanie Raman, aged 13 an I live in Belgium
> (dutch speaking)
> >
> > I have to make a history-homework for school and I
> have to answer
> > 3 questions , concerning roman ancient history,
> the republic period.
> >
> > 1. Give a definition of "senator"
> >
> > 2. Where did these persons practise their job
> (place)
> >
> > 3. Which qualities (or qualifications) must they
> possess to be able to do
> > their work in a correct way ?
> >
> > I have the same questions for te following
> persons:
> >
> > - "cliens"
> >
> > - "miles legionaris"
> >
> > - "servus a/ privatus
> > b/ publicus "
> >
> > - "tribunus plebis
> >
> > - "praetor"
> >
> > - "consul"
> >
> > - "aedilis"
> >
> > - "equites"
> >
> > - "augur"
> >
> >
> > I have been consulting a lot of historybooks and
> encyclopedias, but I could
> > not find an anwswer to all the questions for each
> of the given persons.
> >
> > I learned form Internet that you could perhaps be
> able to help me with
> > completing my task and therefor I should be very
> grateful to you.
> >
> > Yours sincerely,
> >
> > Stéphanie
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
=====
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----------
Aedilis Plebis
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
Scriba Propraetoris Galliae
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum
**HORVM OMNIVM FORTISSIME SVNT BELGAE**
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[Nova-Roma] Senate appointments |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:34:03 -0300 (ART) |
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Salvete Quirites
Cives, please check at the Album Senatorium;
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/senators
Nova Roma has two new Senatores:
--- Lucius Equitius <vergil@starpower.net> escreveu:
> Censurae Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus et Caius
> Flavius Diocletianus Senatoribus SPD
>
[..]
> It is our privilege and pleasure to announce the
> addition of two new Senatores.
>
> Propraetor Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Et
> Propraetor Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
> Both of them have exhibited the qualities sought by
> us all as Cives Romani.
[..]
> pridie Nonas December MMDCCLV (4 Dec 2002)
>
> Mars nos Protegas.
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Baby born!! Naissance!! |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:01:25 -0000 |
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Sextus Apollonius Scipio tells us:
> it is my great pleasure to announce the birth of Messala from
> future Nova Roman parents, Aelia Minia Ocellina Marociae and
> Aquila Minius Pompéius Palladia !! This baby boy is
> doing fine and so does the happy mum. Congratulations!!
Congratulations indeed. Please, Scipio, pass along my very best
regards with a wish for a long and happy life.
> A great honor for Gallia!! (tonight free drinks for eveybody at
> the Taverna. Marinus, please prepare the bottles...)
Consider it done!
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawal |
| From: |
"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:39:01 +0100 |
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Salve Gai Basilicate,
<< Americans are not ignorant of other places. We have no illusions concerning Japan, Scandanavia, or France for that matter. Your rank and file American would consider them Utopian dictatorships where its citizens have given up basic rights to feel safer and have their government take care of them. As I've posted before, one doesn't have to go back far in history to observe those very same countries as superpowers who literally ran amok around the globe "colonizing" and exploiting third world nations. >>
MOS: Yes, now multinationals such as Chiquita, Nike and Adidas are doing it instead. Exploitation is still going on. It's in the rich countries' own short and long-term interest to keep the poor nations poor.
<< Now you all are super enlightened powers who exhort us to act as you do. Those countries got fat and rich from the pilliaging of underdeveloped nations. Now that you're all set up, we're supposed to lay down our arms and give peace a chance. The gall and hypocrisy of your attitude is staggering. Its awful. In fact, it would sacreligious to say that it is anything less than God-awful. >>
MOS: We learnt from the mistakes our ancestors made. You can't hold us responsible for those mistakes, and it doesn't make the criticism any less valid.
Vale bene,
Solaris
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Inspirational Quote |
| From: |
equitius_marinus@yahoo.com |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:34:12 -0500 |
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Salvete Quirites,
I read this, and it seems especially apt for what we are attempting
here in Nova Roma. So I figured I'd pass it along.
"The empire cannot become a child again. Nobody can. It cannot simply
give away its cannons, machines, and money and once again write poems
in small peaceful cities and play sonatas. But it can take the path
that the individual must also take when his life has led him to make
mistakes and suffer profound torment. It can recall its precious past,
its heritage and childhood, its maturation, its rise and fall, and it
can find the power while recalling everything that essentially and
immortally belongs to it. It must "go into itself", as devout people
say. And in itself, it will find its essence undestroyed, and this
essence will not want to avoid its destiny but affirm it and begin anew
out of its best and most profound qualities that have been
rediscovered." -- Hermann Hesse, "The Empire"
Valete,
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl |
| From: |
URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:56:47 +0100 |
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Carissimus G. Basilicatus Agricola,
I have been enjoying your letters with your interesting point of
view...´til you said I had "the vision of nazi Republicans who think
Reagan was a comunist".
Don´t they believe it?
LOL ;)
Vale
antonius adrianus urcitanus
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Fecha: Jueves, Diciembre 5, 2002 4:51 am
Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
> <html><body>
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> <tt>
> Its interesting to see how different folks have interepreted this
> withdrawl. I saw foaming at the mouth liberals. antonius adrianus
> urcitanus visioned nazi republicans who think Reagan was a
> communist. Whatever the case, it warms my heart to see vitriolic
> conflict amongst citizens. Vicious debate is so very Roman.
>
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
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> From: URCITANUS
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:12 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
>
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>
>
> Dear and confused Marcus,
>
> It´s a great joy, for not saying even an honour for me, to se
> how
>
> narrow-minded little people says good-bye to this community.
> Roman gave
>
> our western civilization many fundamental notions. Notions that
> other
>
> civilizations, like the muslim one, do not have. The most
> important
>
> they left to us is the capacity to criticise everything human
> mind can
>
> intellectually criticise. It´s gruesome that you, who really
> sound like
>
> someone grown-up, give such a stupid reason to quit this
> community. You
>
> leave NR because "Bush says so"...LOL
>
>
>
> So long, good bye, be happy under your Republican gov. Leave
> this "evil
>
> and anti-american forum" because one year ago some crazy
> terrorists
>
> turned their eyes towards America, the nation we all love, so
> similar
>
> to ancient Rome.
>
>
>
> antonius adrianus urcitanus
>
>
>
> ----- Mensaje Original -----
>
> De: MVariusPM@aol.com
>
> Fecha: Miercoles, Diciembre 4, 2002 9:01 am
>
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
>
>
>
> > <html><body>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > <tt>
>
> > Salve,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Because of the current political atmosphere in the macro
> state
>
> > of the
>
> >
>
> > United States, with regret, My wife and I must withdraw our
>
> > membership in the
>
> >
>
> > Nova Roma organization. The goal of establishing a soverign
> state
>
> > of "Nova
>
> >
>
> > Roma" for the organization is not compatible with
> the current
>
> > leader of
>
> >
>
> > America. His statement that "if you are not with
> us you are
>
> > against us" and
>
> >
>
> > the establishment of the "Homeland
> Security" department
>
> > exclude involvement
>
> >
>
> > by individuals in groups that do not support governmental
>
> > hemogeony.
>
> >
>
> > Therefore, we cannot be a part of a group that wishes to
> break
>
> > away from the
>
> >
>
> > established macro government. An action of that nature
> could be
>
> > viewed as
>
> >
>
> > subversive and be deemed terroristic in nature. This is not
> what
>
> > we intend
>
> >
>
> > and we do not want to be affiliated with. Please, remove
> all
>
> > membership
>
> >
>
> > reference as required for "Marcus Varius
> Pullus" and
>
> > "Flaminia Pullus".
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > In a better place, in a better world, it would be
> delightful to
>
> > contiue the
>
> >
>
> > discussion of Roman culture and organization. In the
> current time
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > setting, it cannot be. Discussion is one thing,
> repercussions
>
> > because of
>
> >
>
> > one's affiliation's is another. Sometimes the world
> changes,
>
> > sometimes it
>
> >
>
> > does not. History does have a way of repeating itself and
> the
>
> > terrible parts
>
> >
>
> > are usually the ones that no one expects.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Valate,
>
> >
>
> > Marcus Varius Pullus
>
> >
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > Flaminia Pullus
>
> >
>
> >
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] The Best City |
| From: |
"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:06:59 -0500 |
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Salvete,
A couple of brief thoughts.
The difference between Patriotism and Nationalism: Patriotism is the
love of one's country. Nationalism is the hate, disdain or contempt of
everyone else's. Let's try and stick with the former and avoid the
later.
Criticism of another's macro-nation, regardless of how well founded, in
this sort of forum is generally a poor idea. Why? E-mail is a terrible
medium for this kind of debate - it allows for too much
misunderstanding, and the positions people take seem to end up sounding
much harsher and more rigid, than perhaps they would face-to-face. I
suspect much of the vitriol that seems to manifest itself in these sorts
of online debates would be conspicuously absent, if the same discussion
was occurring across a table, with cups of coffee in hand. People tend
to be a bit more reasoned and forgiving in person. Let's all try and
keep that in mind.
If someone does post something that you find terribly upsetting, before
composing a scathing reply perhaps you might reflect on these words of
Marcus Aurelius:
"Put from you the belief that 'I have been wronged', and with it will go
the feeling. Reject your sense of injury, and the injury itself
disappears."
Pax et Concordia,
Valete,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: help me? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:04:04 -0500 (EST) |
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Stephanie;
I am very sorry, but I am very busy just now with some teaching
commitments, and I cannot undrtake the questions that you have asked
(They were in fact quite extensive). However, I am flattered that you
have contacted me, and I regret that I cannot help you, at this time.
I do note however, that several other Nova Roma citizens have answered
you, and in all probablity they gave you better and more concise answers
that I would be able to do in any event.
I visited Brussels, a few years ago and found the city to be quite
fascianating. My subsequent visit to Waterloo, and the museums found
there was very interesting as I am a amatuer military historian. You
are indeed fortunate to be a citizen in such a beautiful and historical
country.
Good luck wih your essay, and all my best to you and yours in the joyous
holiday season!!!!!
Respectfully;
Marcus Minuciu Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Candidate for AEDILIS PLEBIS needed |
| From: |
"Lawrence D. Freeman" <larrythebear@askmamafreeman.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:26:25 -0000 |
|
Ave M Arminius!!,
I am Laurenicus Flavius Magus, and I am a friend of P. Tarquitius
Rufus. I ahve meet the man on a few occasions. He is a very kind and
conciderate person who has a deep love and sence of duty to Nova Roma.
He see's service as he stated "something that he owes to Nova Roma".
For what it is worth I think that he will be a good man for the job,
and will do his best for you.
Valete En Pace.
Laurenicus Flavius Magus
ROMA VICTOR SEMPER EST.
SPQNR.
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites, et salve Illustrious Publius
> Tarquitius Rufus
>
> --- William Rogers <wlr107@y...> escreveu: >
> > Sir,
> >
> > I am Publius Tarquitius Rufus. I live in Atlanta,
> > GA. I am a recent
> > member of Nova Roma. If it is permitted, I shall
> > GLADLY stand forward
> > to offer myself as a Candidate for the open post. I
> > am 40 years, so I
> > meet that requirement easily. :-) I have been a
> > member less than six
> > months, so I shall require a waiver on that count.
>
> M.ARMINIUS: Thank very much for your offering, Rufe.
> However, according to the Lex Vedia de Curso Honorum,
> a waiver for lenght of citizenship is not allowed, but
> only for age. The same law allows you to candidate,
> but you can only take office after the six-months
> period. That is, you can be elected now, but you can
> only be the Aedilis Plebis in 23/april.
> However, due to a great lack of manpower, i accept you
> candidature, and i suggest that, in the meantime, you
> can work with the elected Plebeian Aedile as his
> scribe.
>
> > I see service as something I owe to Nova Roma, not
> > as a step to
> > something else. I deeply believe that service to
> > what one loves is
> > the best method of demonstrating our love of that
> > orgainzation/cause/purpose. Hence, I stand forth.
>
> M.ARMINIUS: Again, thank you very much, Rufe! Your
> comprimise to Nova Roma and your willingness to serve
> is an example for us.
>
> > In Humility,
> > Publius Tarquitius Rufus
>
> Vale
> Marcus Arminius Maior
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Nationality and Nova Roma (Was: Re: Withdrawl) |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:49:38 +0000 (GMT) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>
>My good friend L. Didius Geminus Sceptius is *not* an American. He is a
>Spaniard (you know, Ibiza, sangria and all that) ;-). So I guess that
>he can be excused for not having a proper “federalist“ mindset :-).
>
Spain is a federal country (whatever a few Basques might think!) within a greater coming Federation so he can't be excused on that ground :)
>I have met many people who claimed to be English when questioned (some
>of them had Hindi ancestors), and none of them seemed a fascist to me.
>But I could be wrong, of course :-).
>
But it has unfortunately been somewhat hijacked by the National Front and Little Englander Tories in recent times. I meant of course that most people there have a local allegiance more than a national one. For myself, I come from what amounts to an autonomous British region of France and now reside in the Irish Republic so I'm well away to European Federalism!
>
>I certainly hope that that will not be the case. I have many friends in
>the U.S. now, thanks to Nova Roma :-).
>
There's certainly a mad minority who see the current US security worries as part of an evil One World Government Conspiracy (though why that should be evil if it ends the likes of Saddam Hussein and protects us from the de facto government of unaccountable corporations defeats me). Myself, I susbscribe to the cock-up theory of history: just because something could be a conspiracy or looks like it might be squeezed into one rarely means it is one as much as that people of like (or little) mind tend to panic in like fashion.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Appointments |
| From: |
"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:44:22 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Lucius Equitius" <vergil@s...> scripsit:
> <snipped> It is our privilege and pleasure to announce the
addition of two new Senatores. Propraetor Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Et Propraetor Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
> Both of them have exhibited the qualities sought by us all as Cives
Romani.
Felicitatio, Luci Pompei Luci Siciniesque! It is good to be
represented by active and hardworking quirites. May the gods guide
your actions on behalf of us all.
---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
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|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:02:58 +0000 (GMT) |
|
-----Original Message-----
>From : Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
>
>Americans are not ignorant of other places. We have no illusions concerning Japan, Scandanavia, or France for that matter. Your rank and file American would consider them Utopian dictatorships where its citizens have given up basic rights to feel safer and have their government take care of them.
That is what a government is *for*: to do for individuals what they cannot do individually. It doesn't matter whether it is elected as a unitary system or, as I would prefer, separate administrations for separate concerns.
As I've posted before, one doesn't have to go back far in history to observe those very same countries as superpowers who literally ran amok around the globe “colonizing“ and exploiting third world nations.
One must go a thousand years back to find the Scandinavian colonies! The USA is a colonial power internally, one which has effectively colonised itself from East to West, not that the Sioux and others were not well on the way to establishing their own hegemony long before Europeans arrived.
As for laying down arms, the question is rather where's the war? The US arms industry has always been largely a way for the State to fund research and maintain employment producing things intended either for destruction or obsolescence and therefore in permanent demand without appearing to violate the dogma of no State interference in industry. Left to itself the 'free' market would not waste the money involved on research and development most likely to be superseded by a competitor. Who, thirty years ago, would have set up a space programme for satellite communications? Where did the Internet originate? These things cannot be done by market-aware businesses and must be directed either by a Ministry like MITI or through the military back door; the 'free market' is as much a sham as any 'people's democracy'. Unfortunately, a nation which encourages militarism becomes a militarised, insecure nation and that is a very dangerous combination. Independence flips over to mutual suspicion, belief in doing unto others before they get the chance to do it to you and a people who treat life itself more as a war than as co-operation and are too ready to erupt into mad violence when it all gets too much for them. Such a people is self-destructive and ready for take-over by some fanatic with simplistic answers amounting to more of the same but worse.
V. Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawal |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:30:45 +0000 (GMT) |
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-----Original Message-----
>From : Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
>
>Cassius Dio, in his Roman History, consistently supports the concept of
>Monarchy on the basis that Public Order and Security are more important than
>Freedom and Liberty. I imagine he would have supported Senator McCarthy.
>I'm afraid I cannot go so far as Dio.
>
There is a valid role for monarchy but not that one: it is to protect the individual against over-mighty governance by church or state, in effect to arbitrate the constitution. This is why the Kings of Scotland swore allegiance to their people, not the other way round, and the Declaration of Arbroath (1304) contains a clause entitling the people to choose a new King should he fail to uphold their freedoms against overmighty Clan Chiefs (easier said than done methinks!).
I heard this lovely story about the uses of monarchy a few days ago. There is a country where the King is well-loved and constitutionally above politice. Several times he opened royal palaces to demonstrators attacked by police or military but eventually came the time when the military took control in the name of Law, Order, Tradition and all the other things militarists step on while proclaiming them. No way of course would anyone support a coup against the King himself.
The General had to announce his new government to the King so, mindful of his claims to tradition, the King granted him a traditional audience: Himself seated on the Ancestral Throne surrounded by courtiers all got up like a Hollywood spectacular but with real gold and the General had to crawl from one end of the vast Audience Hall to kiss the Royal Feet. All on live national television ten years ago. Next day the military backed down and called elections. Vivat Rex Bhumipol Thaiorum!
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[Nova-Roma] Love is in the Air! |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:08:07 +0100 |
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Salve Scipio,
>it is my great pleasure to announce the birth of Messala from future Nova
Roman parents, Aelia >><Minia Ocellina Marociae and Aquila Minius Pompéius
Palladia !!
Give the little guy a kiss for me!
And........ just to embarass him: Our favorite Roman drinking buddy, Lucius
Salix Cicero will be getting married to his beautiful lady Eleonora on Dec
20! He's nervous so don't forget to flood his mailbox with good wishes
before he leaves for Costa Rica and the wedding. :-))
lucius@salixcicero.fsnet.co.uk
Good luck Cicero!!
Love & xxxxx's!
Diana Moravia Aventina
Demetreus Moravius
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl |
| From: |
me-in-@disguise.co.uk |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:32:58 +0000 (GMT) |
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-----Original Message-----
>From : “Christopher L. Wood“ <xwood@usa.net>
I believe you misunderstood me, perhaps because I dashed off my letter too
>quickly. I am not ignorant of other nations, nor do I think that my nation
>is “the best“ in every respect above other nations. There are certain
>
I rather dashed mine off in a rush too. There is a tendency for Americans to believe they have God's own perfect country, and of course some extremists who believe that quite literally. It is always dangerous to believe oneself at the height since the only way from there is down or else one stagnates but more than that, it allows for abuses to be overlooked and excused until suddenly there is all abuse and nobody knows how it crept up on them. This is of course what happened under Fascism and Communism and began to happen with MacCarthy.
The issue is not so much anti-Americanism as recognising that it has its bad points as much as anywhere else. I would consider that the cult of extreme individualism actually masks a very conformist society but allows for much freedom to be curtailed by a 'divide & rule' policy by those able to unite to be powerful against those whose isolation renders them powerless.
Interesting that three men have gone down in history as preaching permanent revolution: Franklin, Trotsky and Mao. I wonder what they would make of each other and their concepts of what 'the revolution' entailed?
V. Ambrosius Caesariensis.
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[Nova-Roma] Senate Appointments |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:19:11 -0500 |
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Censurae Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus et Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus SPD
In accordance with the Constitution Novae Romae, section IV.A.1.d.
"To maintain the album senatorium (list of Senators), including the power to add and remove names on that list according to qualifications set by law;"
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
et Lex Vedia Senatoria, section II.
"Any individual elected to the office of curule aedile or appointed to the office of provincial governor may, at the discretion of the censor(e)s, be included in the album Senatorum six months after assuming office (assuming that the individual was not already a member of the Senate)."
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-07-30-vii.html
It is our privilege and pleasure to announce the addition of two new Senatores.
Propraetor Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Et
Propraetor Lucius Sicinius Drusus
Both of them have exhibited the qualities sought by us all as Cives Romani.
pridie Nonas December MMDCCLV (4 Dec 2002)
Mars nos Protegas.
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[Nova-Roma] Thank you |
| From: |
"Daniel" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:31:47 -0000 |
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Salvete Gnae Equiti Marine et Julilla Sempronia Magna
Maximas gratias vobis ago pro epistulis electronicis vestris
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor Argentina
Senator novus
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