| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] TRIBUNII PLEBIS |
| From: |
AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:37:19 -0500 |
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In a message dated 12/10/2002 5:36:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, christer.edling@telia.com writes:
> Honorable Gaius Modius Athanasius, has impressed me as a good man and
> the contacts I have had with him has been more than satisfactory.
Thank you very much for your kind words.
G. Modius Athanasius
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Re: RES: [Nova-Roma] Contra Legem Corneliam Octaviam de Assiduis et Capitibus Census |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:40:18 -0800 (PST) |
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This law does give new citizens the same rights as
other Nova Romans, the right to join the Asssidui
after paying taxes. The current law gives new citizens
more rights than older citizens by allowing them to
join the Asssidui without paying taxes.
--- Titus Arminius Genialis <tagenialis@yahoo.com.br>
wrote:
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> I just couldn't agree more with our honorable Cn.
> Astur.
> I do think that citizens should get familiarized
> with how NR works _before_
> being asked to pay.
> Asking newcoming people to pay means exactly a way
> of creating a kind of
> entrance fee.
> Then you can say: "this is not an entrance fee
> because one is not obligated
> to pay; one just pays if one wants".
> But one can pay if one wants by sending donations.
> If we start charging taxes since the beggining of a
> new citizen's
> citizenship we will be creating a knd of prejudice,
> because if this new
> citizen doesn't pay, he/she will lose some rights.
> If this law proposal is to avoid fraudulent new
> citizenships, what could be
> done is to forbid new citizens to vote in their
> first year at NR, what I
> think that would not be a correct measure.
> Once again I say, we should encourage new members to
> become novaromans and
> not make it more difficult. To give them the same
> rights that someone who is
> already a citizen is the best way to encourage them.
> I think that we should
> just give some advantages for those who have been
> citizens for a long time
> (such as the Century Points), and NOT to steal the
> rights from those who are
> new.
>
> Valete bene.
>
> ______________________________________________
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>
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>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Gnaeus Salix Astur [mailto:salixastur@yahoo.es]
> Enviada em: terça-feira, 10 de dezembro de 2002
> 16:59
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Contra Legem Corneliam Octaviam
> de Assiduis et
> Capitibus Census
>
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> Since the contio on the new consular proposals has
> already begun, I
> think it is time for us to discuss on the *very
> important* issues that
> these legislative proposals touch.
>
> Let's begin with the first one:
>
>
> > Law I: Lex Cornelia Octavius de Assidui et
> Capiti Censi
> >
> >
> >
> > Preamble: The purpose of this amendment will be
> to revise section
> > III. C of the Senatus Consultum on taxation and
> add an amendment to
> > the Lex Vedia de Assidui et Capiti Censi, by
> placing all newly
> > approved citizens in the classification of
> Capiti Censi.
> >
> >
> >
> > This Lex has two key aims.
> >
> >
> > 1. To modify the current status by placing
> all newly approved
> > citizens in the classification of Capiti Censi.
> >
> > 2. To give new citizens the option to be
> reclassified as Assidui
> > by paying the current year's tax in full.
> >
> >
> > I. All persons obtaining citizenship
> after this lex takes
> > effect will have Capiti Censi status until and
> unless payment is
> > made.
> >
> > II. Any citizen of the Capiti Censi may
> become Assidui by paying
> > the appropriate amount, as defined by Senatus
> Consultum. If payment
> > is made during a contio or election, the change
> in status will take
> > place after the election concludes.
> >
> > III. Upon receipt of tax payment in full, the
> applicant is
> > considered to assume the rights and privileges
> of Assidui as defined
> > by the Lex Vedia de Assidui et Capiti Censi and
> the applicant will be
> > allocated to a rural tribe and appropriate
> century allocation.
>
> In my opinion, to approve this proposal would be a
> *big* mistake.
> The Lex Vedia de Assiduis et Capitibus Census
> established the principle
> that new citizens should not be asked to pay taxes
> in their first year.
> This was a wise decision, because it allowed new
> citizens to get some
> familiarity with the way in which Nova Roma works
> before they were
> asked to put money for its growth (they could
> always put money on the
> treasury before tax season if that was their
> decision).
>
> What is the purpose of this proposal? Is it to get
> more money? Right
> now, Nova Roma needs more active citizens far more
> than it needs money.
> Besides, I don't think that we will get much money
> from it. I think
> that new citizens will fall into one of these
> three categories:
>
> 1.- Those who discover that there is a required
> "entrance fee" and
> decide to pay rigth away. These citizens would
> probably pay as well in
> their due time under our current legislation, so
> there would be no
> gain.
>
> 2.- Those who discover that there is a required
> "entrance fee" and
> decide not to pay (or who decide to leave NR
> altogether). These
> citizens could have become tax payers in the
> regular tax season, after
> knowing more about Nova Roma. In my opinion, this
> proposal would make
> us loose many tax payers and many active citizens.
>
> 3.- Those who don't even discover that there is
> a required "entrance
> fee". These will seldom become really active
> citizens (not to mention
> tax payers), and this lex will not do much to
> improve their situation.
>
> I think that Nova Roma should strive to have as
> many citizens as
> possible counted among the , and not the
> other way round.
> Otherwise, we will be becoming a true oligarchy (I
> am not calling
> names, I am talking about Nova Roma's political
> system), with the
> *many* drawbacks that a government of a few, by a
> few and for a few has
> (believe me, I know a little bit about that kind
> of government).
>
> I will vote NO on this proposal. I do not see any
> benefits coming from
> it. I do not see any reason to approve it.
>
> =====
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Second Consular Proposal |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:39:16 -0000 |
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Earlier, I wrote:
> > I think a proxy could be specified to last for a given duration,
> > though I didn't see that specified in the proposed law.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla replied:
> Sulla: It is there, let me quote, "A Proxy vote would be the
> voluntary release of one's voter code (with or without instructions)
> to another individual for the express purpose to cast a vote in the
> immediate election."
Thank you Lucius Cornelius. I need to take some time to read
through these proposed laws with care. Unfortunately, this is a
very busy time of year for me. But I'll give them all a thorough,
careful reading before I vote.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Summoning the Comitia Centuriata and Comitia Populi |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:45:53 -0600 (CST) |
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Salve Consul,
> They should be. I am not aware that the Censors have changed them.
Right - the voter codes haven't been changed since before the start
of elections in november; the same ones used then are still good now.
Generally they only change about once a year.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Censor-Elect 2756
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Second Consular Proposal |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:58:39 -0000 |
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Salve,
If I may as a rogator designate for next year:
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Salix Astur
> You are right that the best thing would be to have "absentee
ballots".
> I would certainly support that. I wonder if it would be actually
> possible (certainly, our current technology would allow it). But
voting
> proxies? That raises many questions:
Absentee ballots that have to be mailed, especially from outside the
US would not arrive in time to be counted. The period from the start
of a contio until the close of balloting is a very narrow window and
the results must be reported to the presiding magistrate within 48
hours of the close of balloting. A voting proxy is really the only
viable way for a person to cast their vote in absence of computer
access. To forbid the practice of a voting proxy would be de facto
disenfranchisement of a person if due to circumstances beyond his/her
control computer access is unavailable.
> * How could you actually know that Paulina Gratidia has voted what
you
> wanted her to vote in your name? Votes are secret.
1) Citizen XYZ gave Citizen ABC the right to proxy vote for voter
code 123456.
2) Citizen XYZ could ask the Censor(s) for the result of the ballot
cast by voter code 123456. The Censors verify that citizen XYZ is
who he/she claims to be and forwards ONLY the voter code to the
Senior Rogator.
3) The Senior Rogator then forwards the ballot result for that Voter
Code to the Censor(s).
4) The Censor(s) then sends Citizen XYZ the results.
But, you say, "votes are secret and the Censor(s) will then
know...." If you have given someone the right to cast a proxy vote
you have told at least one person so you have given up that right to
total secrecy. Perhaps if this outlined scenario were adopted into
law or edict there would be an appropriate penalty for the Censor(s)
if they divuldge the information beyond the citizen requesting the
ballot results for his/her proxy ballot.
> * Imagine you have not returned yet and there is an additional
> votation. Is your proxy still valid? Can Paulina still vote in your
> name without you giving specific instructions? Can she vote whatever
> she wants in your name without you even knowing it? If the answer is
> "no", then an absentee ballot would prove both more simple and
secure.
> If your answer is "yes", then I'm afraid that our conceptions on the
> seriousness and importance of our democratic institutions are quite
> divergent (and I think that that is not the case) :-).
The duration and conditions of a proxy would have to be determined by
the parties involved before hand. If I were in a situation that I
had to vote by proxy I would make sure I gave that right to cast a
vote on my behalf to someone I trusted implicitely.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Second Consular Proposal |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:01:53 -0800 |
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Ave,
Not to mention the fact that the absentee ballot would have to be mailed to 4 separate Rogators, because all of our rogators do not live in the same residence.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Second Consular Proposal
Salve,
If I may as a rogator designate for next year:
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Salix Astur
> You are right that the best thing would be to have "absentee
ballots".
> I would certainly support that. I wonder if it would be actually
> possible (certainly, our current technology would allow it). But
voting
> proxies? That raises many questions:
Absentee ballots that have to be mailed, especially from outside the
US would not arrive in time to be counted. The period from the start
of a contio until the close of balloting is a very narrow window and
the results must be reported to the presiding magistrate within 48
hours of the close of balloting. A voting proxy is really the only
viable way for a person to cast their vote in absence of computer
access. To forbid the practice of a voting proxy would be de facto
disenfranchisement of a person if due to circumstances beyond his/her
control computer access is unavailable.
> * How could you actually know that Paulina Gratidia has voted what
you
> wanted her to vote in your name? Votes are secret.
1) Citizen XYZ gave Citizen ABC the right to proxy vote for voter
code 123456.
2) Citizen XYZ could ask the Censor(s) for the result of the ballot
cast by voter code 123456. The Censors verify that citizen XYZ is
who he/she claims to be and forwards ONLY the voter code to the
Senior Rogator.
3) The Senior Rogator then forwards the ballot result for that Voter
Code to the Censor(s).
4) The Censor(s) then sends Citizen XYZ the results.
But, you say, "votes are secret and the Censor(s) will then
know...." If you have given someone the right to cast a proxy vote
you have told at least one person so you have given up that right to
total secrecy. Perhaps if this outlined scenario were adopted into
law or edict there would be an appropriate penalty for the Censor(s)
if they divuldge the information beyond the citizen requesting the
ballot results for his/her proxy ballot.
> * Imagine you have not returned yet and there is an additional
> votation. Is your proxy still valid? Can Paulina still vote in your
> name without you giving specific instructions? Can she vote whatever
> she wants in your name without you even knowing it? If the answer is
> "no", then an absentee ballot would prove both more simple and
secure.
> If your answer is "yes", then I'm afraid that our conceptions on the
> seriousness and importance of our democratic institutions are quite
> divergent (and I think that that is not the case) :-).
The duration and conditions of a proxy would have to be determined by
the parties involved before hand. If I were in a situation that I
had to vote by proxy I would make sure I gave that right to cast a
vote on my behalf to someone I trusted implicitely.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Historical evidence of "Senate Open/Closed Door" |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:32:08 -0000 |
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Salve,
Since the subject of the Senate doors being opened to public view in
historical times, out of curiosity I've done a little research.
Andrew Lintott's observation cited by A. Apollonius Cordus is
partially correct. As near as I can tell The Senate doors were open
and the public could view the Senate in action from the doors at the
discretion of the presiding magistrate (usually the Consul with the
fasces that month). The same magistrate that one day would have the
doors open to the public would the next day order them shut. It
requires more research on my part to determine for my own curiosity
what the exact custom was. Personally I think based on what I have
found is that most of the time the doors were shut and only opened
during times of extreme crisis when it was best the people know first
hand what was happening. Despite the uproars that appear from time
to time on the ML I don't think one of them has really reached the
level of crisis warranting the opening of the "Senate Doors."
I did stumble upon something in the course of the research. The
original Senate doors have been preserved as the doors of the
Basilica of St. John The Lateran. Tehy can be seen at
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/classicalworld/senatedoors.html
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Upcoming Roman programs |
| From: |
"gaius117 <lanius117@aol.com>" <lanius117@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:43:09 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes,
For everyone interested, there are two programs coming this month on
TheHistoryChannel about Rome. First, on December 16, at 9:00 PM EST,
a documentary about Masada. Second, on December 30, also at 9:00 PM
EST, a show titled "The Emperor Who Saved Rome - Vespasian".
Get your VCR's ready and enjoy!
Valete,
Gaius Lanius Falco
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Election for Tribune |
| From: |
"rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@aol.com>" <RexMarcius@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:07:42 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "metamorphosis2003
<metamorphosis2003@y...>" <metamorphosis2003@y...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@a...>"
> <RexMarcius@a...> wrote:
> > Salve Pompeia!
>
> Well, Salve once again, O Rex!!!
MMR <scratches his head, not quite knowing what sort of metamorphosis
went wrong here>: "Well, I guess we will have to leave it at that!"
Marcus Marcius Rex
Candidate for Tribune
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The Proposed Leges |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:04:49 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete Quirites,
The Leges are package, so I'm discussing them all at
once instead of seperatly. You may wonder why these
leges are being promulgated. Right now it would be
legal for me to create 25 fictional people, apply for
citizenship for each of these 25 fictional people and
have control of 26 votes counting my own vote. If I
create my 25 fictional citizens after taxes are paid,
then it won't even cost me a single dollar to control
all these votes. Requiring that new citizens pay taxes
apon entry will make it expensive for someone to use
the easiest means of comitting fraud.
This law however isn't enough. It makes fraud more
expensive, but it would remain legal to pocess more
than one citizenship if you wanted an office or set of
offices badly enough to to pay the taxes for multiple
citizens so you could cast multiple votes. The lex on
holding multiple citizenships addresses this making it
illegal.
The other lex is to combat other frauds such as misuse
of a proxy, or obtaining other citizens codes by other
means.
Absentee ballots have been mentioned. I have some
experance with them. In 1984 I was in the Persian Gulf
when the US Presidental elections were being held.
Mail isn't very prompt in forward deployment areas,
andMy ballot arrived two day before election day. It
did not make it back to the USA in time to be counted.
In 1986 my ballot arrived the day after the election,
so again I was denied a chance to vote. I wasn't the
only person who had problems like this and US law not
prohibits certifying an election until 10 days after
it ends so the absentee ballots will have time to
reach the USA and be included in the count.
Many of our citizens are members of the US Military.
The current political situation means that these
citizens could be in some area where they have no
internet access, where it takes 3 weeks or longer for
a ballot to be mailed, marked and returned to Nova
Roma. These are the citizens most likely to need an
absentee ballot or a proxy vote. The logistics of
getting a ballot to these areas and back means we
would be faced with a choice of dragging our elections
out for longer time period, or disenfranchising
citizens who follow the very Roman profession of
Military service.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Election for Tribune |
| From: |
"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:15:43 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@a...>"
<RexMarcius@a...> wrote:
> Salve Pompeia!
Well, Salve once again, O Rex!!!
>
> >
> > Salve Fair Tribune Elect:
>
> MMR: Oh it is far too early for that. I did not even do that well
in
> the first round. But a nice thought nonetheless (Hint: Vote for
> Marcus Marcius Rex as Tribune :-))
POMPEIA: Oh, I believe you will in all likelihood, be elected, and I
hope divine guidance leads to a victory for Gai Poplitti as well. It
doesn't take a set of Tarrot Cards to predict that.
>
> > Pompeia: I am just sitting here at the computer worried to
death!
> > Grin....actually 'your' popularity never came into
> > question....frankly I never gave you a thought....but the
> Quaestors,
> > to my knowledge do not issue edictum regarding to whom the
reports
> > are filed, atleast in Nova Roma; they file them as per
established
> > edictum.
> >
> > And no, it is not too much to ask where your money goes, O
> > candidate...but since the Quaestors have no control over this,
the
> > Senate and Consuls of next year might be a good place to start.
> >
>
> MMR: Well, just to tell you how I came up with my request: I read
all
> the just praise about G. Popilias Laenas (not just from you) and
> simply wanted to see how good he (and Nova Roma) was doing. I went
to
> the Aerarium Saturni and what did I find? Not even a single report
> displayed this year.
POMPEIA: Imagine that. Well, I'll give him the squirt gun, is what
I'll do! And I am also pleased to see a report. The problem is,
these magistracies do not, with the exception of the Censor, come
with a handbook, and some policies slip through the cracks.
P. Cassia on the otherhand is an experienced and skilled Quaestor,
having done this job for a few terms now.
Maybe we could start a bookline: "Praetors, Quaestors and Consular
Guides for Dummies"......no?
>
> >
> > But.....you have to get over having a 'male menopause' everytime
> one
> > renders a compliment on someone else.....AND.....
>
> MMR: Well that is a bit over the top, would you not agree? ;-)
POMPEIA: Ok.....I'll try to look at things another way, dearest Rex,
my delectible plate of spatzel........you probably are *so* attracted
to the wisdom contained within my posts :), that you are 'compelled'
to answer them, right? Next time I'll be a little more confident.
Now, why didn't I think of that? Hmmm.....
>
> >
> > you have to come to terms with the fact that not all citizens of
a
> > given nomen are your mortal enemies.......some even like
> > you :)..because, in keeping with your oath of office, such
persons
> > are 'the Roman people' as well as the rest.....
> >
>
> MMR: Ahem, you once criticized me, when you were still Praetor that
I
> suppose too much in other people's postings (even though I phrased
it
> then with a lot of "ifs" and "guesses"). May I humbly return this
> advice to you now?
POMPEIA: Absolutely......and guess what? I 'knew' you were going to
point this out.....I remember that case in point.
But hey, why not take the time to clear away absolutely everything
that might possibly interfere with our relationship? And like usual,
I leave no stone unturned in my descriptions.....ahh, what got me
into trouble in the first place, I think! :)
Consider this neat play on words: If you have ears, hear!
The 'past' is becoming the 'present', and it is better if
the 'present' does not become the 'past', or even the 'past
present'....How's that for a rather subliminal 'presentation' of
events? Pretty good, huh? No wonder you flock to my posts!
>
> > AND on a personal note, aside from all of the above:
> >
> > (Let's just get this nonsense overwith, and quite possibly, you
and
> I
> > might just get along a little better ok?...consider it a group
> > therapy session of sorts)
> >
>
> Well I have no problem with you! When I thought about returning to
> Nova Roma I considered your election to the office of Praetor as a
> real plus! So I can just repeat my (your) advice above!
POMPEIA: You did? Really? ......Ohh, Pompeia puts her finger in her
cheek and blushes......gee, thanks Rex, really :)
>
> SNIP (contained all sort of old, outdated gossip)
POMPEIA: Great Mother Cornelia! Rex gets the squirt gun! I was
explaining my position.....venting as it were, sharing my
thoughts........and you call it gossip?.....Ahhh........
>
> >
> > AND DON'T TELL ME THAT YOU ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS
(Big
> > toothy grin)........I wager you do! You jump on me everytime I
> come
> > on line......if I gave a recipe for Brownies you would find a
> problem
> > with that too. So, I thought I would give you the 'whole'
story,
> > from Genesis to Revelation, Alpha to Omega, Homer to
Ovidius..take
> > your pick.
> >
>
> MMR: Even though you may have trouble believing it, I was NOT
> thinking about it! But I (as all other readers) have a fairly good
> picture now of what goes on in YOUR mind. Let the past be the past
> and please stop overreacting so much.
POMPEIA: Overreacting? Or informing? Do relax and unwind......you
will have all next year to 'get wound up' when you are in office.
>
> >
> > Pompeia: Oh, I know you suggested everything was in order :)
And
> I
> > was suggesting to you that this is good!
>
> MMR: Please, then consider phrasing it so that I have a chance to
> recognise it
POMPEIA: Alas, I sometimes expect too much of you.......dear me....
>
> Po scripsit: "With due respect, you'd best be suggesting
> that 'everything is in order' in the absence of any evidence to the
> contrary :) It would be better for your popularity."
>
> MMR: Why not say: "It was good that you did not suggest etc. etc."
if
> you really meant that.
POMPEIA: Ibid
>
> > I am pleased that you
> > are 'not' suggesting otherwise. You are, let's face it, 'zeroing
> in'
> > on the qualifications of another candidate which I have said nice
> > things about, so we want to make sure everything is on the 'up
and
> > up', right? Oh, once a Praetrix, 'always' a Praetrix.....alas...
> >
>
> MMR: If you consider pointing out that an old and useful custom
like
> the publication of Quaestor reports has indeed fallen into disuse
is
> a form of negative campaigning and should not be mentioned by
another
> candidate...well I guess then you should criticize L. Sicinius
Drusus
> even harder for making wrong allegations about another Tribunician
> Candidate's actions to the public. I do not remember you speaking
up
> then so fervently.
POMPEIA: Well, my dear one, there is a logical explanation for
that. I left this list for oh, about, pretty close to three weeks,
and I came back because I wanted to endorse some candidates, AND, one
poster was telling big fat fibs about me, and I wanted to clarify
them.
SO.....
I didn't follow all the threads. But if you show me the post in
question, I'll cheerfully provide you with yet another enlightening
and well written post for your intellectual digestion and literary
entertainment.
And you know.....Drusus just might get the squirt gun.....yah never
know.
>
> >
> > Pompeia: Well, before I had no choice but to take an exit from
my
> > magisterial villae, yes, I do recall, oh, 'some' mention of a
> budget,
> > yea.......BUT, it is not up to the Quaestors, as far as my
> knowledge
> > extends, to enact legislation governing where and to whom reports
> are
> > delivered.....that would be up to the Senate, Consuls, and maybe
> even
> > YOU. But do correct me if I am wrong, and I am sure you will.
>
> MMR: I believe the Aerarium Saturni inscription
> http://www.novaroma.org/aerarium_saturni/index.html says it best:
>
> "In ancient Rome, the Aerarium Saturni (so called because it was
> situated within the temple of Saturn beneath the Capitol) was the
> repository for all the official financial documents of the State.
It
> also served as the official treasury. In Nova Roma, this function
is
> revived, with all official documents and treasury reports of the
> quaestors available herein for the perusal of all at any time."
>
> MMR: This was done, I believe, as an extralegal custom but is what
I
> consider good governance nonetheless. Please ask Patricia Cassia,
who
> was most diligent in this respect, how it was done!
POMPEIA: Lovely and talented lady. On this we agree. Gaius is very
talented too. He is not lovely, though :)
>
> Finally IF I am elected Tribune I do not plan to engage in
> legislative activities. I personally believe the Consuls have the
> policysetting priority in Nova Roma and only when the cart is stuck
> in the mud (like when e.g. one Consul continually obstructs the
other
> against the perceived wishes of the wider political spectrum) the
> Tribunes are really entitled to intervene to put a question to the
> vote of the People and Senate of Nova Roma. Regarding the Budget
only
> the Senate can act.
POMPEIA: Sounds good to me.
>
> >
> > ALSO.....does all this mean that Gaius will make a lousy
tribune?
> I
> > think not. Careful my dear, you might come across as being a
> little
> > nitpicky.
> >
>
> Again, IF Iam elected and IF G. Popillius is elected I hope we can
> form excellent collegial relationships. What did you expect? It is
a
> collegium and no Tribune is an island! :-)
POMPEIA: I am sure you two will get on quite well. I know no trib is
an island. Sometimes, the potential for tribs to be so closely knit
is there too, and one can feel they are inapproachable. So if
something is wrong, please speak out you two.
Or you'll get the squirt gun!!!!
>
> > Now how is all the above for an endorsement, Marcus
Marcius.......I
> > said YOU....that's good, no?
> >
> > Cripes.........evening primose at bedtime helps a little.....
> >
> > Well, Marce.......it's been a 'real'.....slice......:)
> >
> > Pompeia
> >
> > (Who doesn't think Rex is all that bad......just needs to learn
> that
> > not all people hate him and his chums as much as he thinks they
> > do....they are just too darned busy.......I wouldn't 'not' vote
for
> > him......but he needs a strong cup of coffee and maybe a boom
boom
> > pillow in the head once in a while, or a squirt gun IMHO)
> >
> > >
>
> Where I live now (Philippines) coffee is terrible, bombs are a
> regular occurrence and people wear real guns all the time. So your
> suggestions would be a welcome change indeed!
POMPEIA; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Squirtzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> :-)
Vale.....Po
>
> Ave et Vale
>
> Marcus Marcius Rex
> Candidate for Tribune
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Historical evidence of "Senate Open/Closed Door" |
| From: |
"Christopher L. Wood" <xwood@usa.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:04:49 -0500 |
|
Do you think they could ever be persuaded to sell them back?
A rebuilt Curia could have the original doors on it.
I did stumble upon something in the course of the research. The
> original Senate doors have been preserved as the doors of the
> Basilica of St. John The Lateran. They can be seen at
> http://www.angelfire.com/ia/classicalworld/senatedoors.html
>
> Vale,
> Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Financial Reports (was Election for Tribune) |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:16:09 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete Gaius Popillius Laenas et Quirites,
> My thanks to Marcus Marcius Rex for pointing out that the practice
> of posting quarterly reports to the website, begun by Senatrix
> Patricia Cassia, had fallen into disuse. I am writing a "Quaestors
> Handbook" for the use of future magistrates and I will be sure to
> include this practice as an option for Quaestores to consider.
you have indeed made a very good job!! And your idea about the handbook is very nice and
useful ;O).
The Quaestorship is a very demanding duty and too little is known about it. I will try
next year to do as well as you have done.
Thank you again for the time you have spent for Nova Roma.
Valete,
=====
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Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Tagenelius/Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Titvs Cornelivs Romanvs <titan_242002@yahoo.com>" <titan_242002@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:21:54 -0000 |
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Salve!Hello. I might be speaking out of turn here but I agree with
Tagenelius on the rule concerning paying Taxes.I mean I am new to
Nova Roma and I am not familiar with everything yet.I personally need
to get to understand everything before I hand out money to anyone,I
dont even understand why we would be aquired to pay anything in the
first place at this time.Why are we,and what is it used for?
Vale!Titus
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[Nova-Roma] Upcoming elections: Endorsements |
| From: |
<3s@hsk-net.de> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:59:25 -0600 (CST) |
|
Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
Citizens, the runoff elections are approaching. Again, many able and dedicated citizens are standing before you, clad in the bleached toga, to ask for your trust and votes.
Again too, I want to ask for your kind attention for two of the most honourable and trustworthy candidates.
Candidate for Praetor: Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus.
A man of the first hour of Nova Roma now asks for your vote. He committed himself in the development of our legal system. Many laws has his name in the titles. As Praetor, his duty is to administer the law. His experience will be worthy for Nova Roma. I do not always agree with his political positions and opinions, but I trust in his abilities, his dedication, his experiences and his ability for agreements and compromises.
Canidate for Tribune: Marcus Marcius Rex.
I have the honour to know this gentleman since I joined Nova Roma. He was then Propraetor Germaniae, my predecessor in this office. He´s a lawyer and knows our system well. As Not to forget his intelligence and his fine sense for humor, making a debate with him both demanding and interesting. He earns your trust, Plebeians.
You may ask why - being myself a Patrician - I issue an endorsement for a candidate for a plebeian position. But the last days showed that some Patricians raised their voices in the debates, both in favour and against him, and I decided for me to join this voices.
It´s your turn now, citizens. Decide for yourself and cast your votes.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Senator, Censor
Propraetor Germaniae
Paterfamilias Gentis Flaviae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Regarding Endorsements |
| From: |
"rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@aol.com>" <RexMarcius@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:48:23 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes!
I would like to thank all those noble people who have come forward to
endorse my candidacy during this campaign! Ego vobis multas gratias
ago. I hope the Plebeians will feel that they can give me their
confidence now.
I wish all of you who are still campaigning best of luck in the
upcoming election and in particular
Gnaeus Salix Astur
who has put the civil procedures law in place and who would be a most
formidable Praetor!
Avete et Valete
Marcus Marcius Rex
Candidate for Tribune
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Historical evidence of "Senate Open/Closed Door" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:26:03 -0800 |
|
Ave,
Don't count on it.
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher L. Wood" <xwood@usa.net>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Historical evidence of "Senate Open/Closed Door"
> Do you think they could ever be persuaded to sell them back?
>
> A rebuilt Curia could have the original doors on it.
>
>
> I did stumble upon something in the course of the research. The
> > original Senate doors have been preserved as the doors of the
> > Basilica of St. John The Lateran. They can be seen at
> > http://www.angelfire.com/ia/classicalworld/senatedoors.html
> >
> > Vale,
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Contra Legem Corneliam Octaviam de Assiduis et Capitibus Census |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:27:18 +0100 (CET) |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, consul Sulla.
--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> escribió:
> Avete Omnes,
>
> In my opinion, to approve this proposal would be a *big* mistake.
> The Lex Vedia de Assiduis et Capitibus Census established the
> principle
> that new citizens should not be asked to pay taxes in their first
> year.
>
> Sulla: And they do not have to pay their tax their first year or any
> year after that. That is not the purpose of the revision. The
> purpose of the revision is to change the classification of new
> citizens from Assuidi to Capiti Censi. That is all. The remainder
> of the law spells out that if a new citizen WANTS (totally voluntary)
> become an Assuidi, they can pay the current year's tax (as we all
> have done, and must do to remain an Assuidi) and then they will be
> placed into the Assuidi class of citizenship. I think this is a very
> reasonable law.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Consul
I will try to explain myself better.
Currently, we have a group of second class citizens: the capita census.
It is most unfortunate for us to have such a group, but it seems a
necessary evil; we need to set a difference between tax payers and non
tax payers. We include in the capita census those of us who are not
compromised enough with Nova Roma to make a small yearly payment; most
of them are not what we consider "active citizens".
If we place new citizens in the capita census, we are not giving them
the benefit of doubt. We are telling them "We do not trust you, we want
your money in the bag before we even consider you worthy of attention".
We should strive to keep the number of citizens included in the capita
census at the lowest possible. If we don't, how are we supposed to give
our institutions the democratical legitimacy they need to work
properly? If we are going to consider new citizens as second class
citizens, how can we ask them to get involved, to work for Nova Roma?
What would *we* be giving to them?
I am in favour of limiting the possibility of duplicate citizenships.
But this is *not* a good way to do it. How would *I* do it? I would
involucrate our provincial governments in the check of the identity of
new citizens. Nothing like a face-to-face meeting (or a local phone
call) to check that someone is actually who he claims to be.
Besides, your solution, consul Sulla, does not address a different,
albeit related, problem. We have not heard about many cases of
duplicate citizenship, but we have heard about cases where incorrect
information has been included in an application form. We have had
minors who have posed as adults, for example.
What we need is ways to check our applicants' identities. We need an
integral solution, not a hastily thought patch that will result in the
aliention of a large part of our prospective citizens.
=====
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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] The Third Consular Proposal |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:30:06 +0100 (CET) |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, consul Sulla.
--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> escribió:
<<snipped>>
> Sulla: As a previous Censor let me comment on this. To have more
> than one citizenship application is very possible for the reasons
> stated by Tribune Salix and there are possible many reasons. But in
> those multiple applications there are similarities, email addresses,
> contact information and even IP information (if I recall correctly).
> It is unlikely that in that event multiple citizenships will be
> approved by our Censors. This law focuses on those citizens who
> might go out of their way to purposely create multiple email
> addresses and try to hide themselves and create new citizenships.
However unlikely, your proposal does not address that possibility.
We need an integral solution to check our citizens' identity, and not
this "patch".
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Contra Legem Corneliam Octaviam de Assiduis et Capitibus Census |
| From: |
"William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:56:46 -0000 |
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See below for my opnion/comment: (Forgive the snippage, but I
remember that we ARE limited on how much room we have here! :-) )
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Avete Omnes,
<SNIP!>
> Sulla: The remainder of the law spells out that if a new citizen
WANTS (totally voluntary) become an Assuidi, they can pay the current
year's tax (as we all have done, and must do to remain an Assuidi)
and then they will be placed into the Assuidi class of citizenship.
*****If I would have known that when I signed up, I would have paid
the taxes at that time myself. One possibility of making it more
known you MAY (if you choose to do so) pay your taxes at sign-up
during the registration page. I would place the address/pay pal
account information there for the person's information. Just a humble
idea.
Also, can a page be set up where the ONLY information on the page is
about the NR tax code and where we can send it? Just a small page
would be all we neeeded, as I want to send in my taxes.
On another item, while we are here...why not allow businesses
to "Sponsor" part of our expenses? We could develop several levels of
sponshoship, each level given to NR would allow them diffrent
types/levels of ads, mailings, ect....just an idea.
It is also VERY nice to see open, NON-angry discussion here on
this...VERY REFRESHING! YAHOO!
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Election for Tribune |
| From: |
"William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:06:18 -0000 |
|
POMPEIA,
Ever since I joined...I find that I LOVE reading your posts! :-) They
are an educationinto your person, and enjoyable to read all at the
same time! And not to mention...you have a VERY good sence of
humor! :-)
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
(VOTE FOR ME PLEASE!) Hee hee!
(This is NOT a political advertisement...wel, maybe just a little
bit! :-) )
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Upcoming Roman programs |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:55:01 +0000 (GMT) |
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>For everyone interested, there are two programs
>coming this month on TheHistoryChannel about Rome.
>First, on December 16, at 9:00 PM EST, a documentary
>about Masada. Second, on December 30, also at 9:00 PM
>EST, a show titled The Emperor Who Saved Rome -
>Vespasian.
The Vespasian documentary was recently aired on Ch4 in
the UK and was actually rather good. Much more
detailed and informative than your usual TV historical
documentary.
Well worth viewing.
Decimus Iunius Silanus.
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Upcoming elections: Endorsements |
| From: |
"William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:13:48 -0000 |
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I feel left out...he didn't speak about anyone in my campaign! :-)
I'm not sure if I should feel left out or not! Boo Hoo! (Just kidding)
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Second Consular Proposal |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:46:26 +0000 (GMT) |
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>>b) Why should we allow proxies?
>>
>Because sometimes citizens must be away from places
>where they have computer access, but still wish to
>vote in an election.
Not to forget of course that if these citizens are
unable to vote in the main elections they will be
placed in a urban tribe for the whole of the next
year.
Valete
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Contra Legem Corneliam Octaviam de Assiduis et Capitibus Census |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:30:07 +0000 (GMT) |
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Salvete
>In my opinion, to approve this proposal would be a
>*big* mistake. The Lex Vedia de Assiduis et Capitibus
>Census established the principle that new citizens
>should not be asked to pay taxes in their first year.
>This was a wise decision, because it allowed new
>citizens to get some familiarity with the way in
>which Nova Roma works before they were asked to put
>money for its growth (they could always put money on
>the treasury before tax season if that was their
>decision).
New citizens can still become familiar with NR before
contributing taxes. Tax contribution remains voluntary
under this proposal.
Let me state, as I have stated before, that I am
totally against a joining fee for NR. We should do
nothing that could potentially inhibit NR membership.
Placing new citizens within the capiti censi, unless
they voluntarily pay their taxes of course, is for me
a very sensible compromise that will make voter fraud
very expensive for those with a desire to commit it.
>What is the purpose of this proposal? Is it to get
>more money?
No. It is to restrict the possibility of voter fraud
occuring.
Valete
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Election for Tribune |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:58:49 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@a...>"
<RexMarcius@a...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "metamorphosis2003
> <metamorphosis2003@y...>" <metamorphosis2003@y...> wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rexmarciusnr
<RexMarcius@a...>"
> > <RexMarcius@a...> wrote:
> > > Salve Pompeia!
> >
> > Well, Salve once again, O Rex!!!
>
> MMR <scratches his head, not quite knowing what sort of
metamorphosis
> went wrong here>: "Well, I guess we will have to leave it at that!"
Po takes a moment to respond in kind:
It's those damned bee stings, Rex......!
Quit scratching!
((Po, who is also a Registered Nurse.....rushes to the aid of her
Tribune......by filling her squirt gun with calamine lotion and
applying it to the capitus of Marcius Rex.......
And you will not get a metamorphosis from scratching bee bites, no,
no....but you might make a bloody mess :) You must have been
listening to an old wive's tale.........
Rex, I know you are not above and beyond having a bit of fun, and I
appreciate your good humour.
************
Yunno, I haven't had a plate of spatzel in about two years. The only
Germanic Restaurant in our fair city closed down, and as it stands
I'll have to drive like 50 miles for a decent feed.
Where's the justice in that Rex? Sheesh........
I tried making it myself......and the experience really 'drove home'
just how against self mutilation I truly am :)
Po
>
> Marcus Marcius Rex
> Candidate for Tribune
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Germanic food for Pompeia |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:29:02 +0100 |
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Salve Pompeia,
> Yunno, I haven't had a plate of spatzel in about two years. The only
> Germanic Restaurant in our fair city closed down, and as it stands
> I'll have to drive like 50 miles for a decent feed.
Then you'll have to come visit us in Vlaanderen where there is Germanic
food aplenty and where the local Nova Roman would love to take you on a
tour!
Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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Re: [Nova-Roma] The Second Consular Proposal |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
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Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:50:10 +0000 (GMT) |
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>A certain measure might be difficult to enforce.
>However, we should not *encourage* this kind of
>practice, like this proposal will do.
This proposal does not encourage proxy voting. It
simply realises that proxy voting exists and it is
safeguarding those who may, through personal
circumstance, be required to use proxy voting, from
being unjustly prosecuted under the terms of the
proposed law.
Decimus Iunius Silanus.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: absent people |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:56:48 -0000 |
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Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus writes:
> I would like to suggest for the moment is that Inactive gens,
> paterfamilias or even citizens should be ereased from NR,
How would you define inactive? Posting here, or in any of the
Yahoo mailing lists, ought not to be the only kind of 'activity'
that is recognized. Many citizens are members of Nova Roma because
they do something that is roman themed, and joined because their
organization is involved with us.
Consider, my wife and both of my daughters are citizens. None
of them read this mainlist. They monitor the announcements in
NovaRoma-Announce to keep track of the political issues, and they
go to local Roman events. Why do you think their citizenship
ought to be any less valid than mine?
We have citizens who are members of reenactor legions, and
who only participate in the Sodalitas Militarium. You don't
ever see them posting here, and they may not pay the tax since
they don't care all that much who happens to be in office in
a given year. But they're out there spreading the idea of
Nova Roma around, and they do count. Please don't dismiss
them as contemptable because they don't want to participate in
a mailing list.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] The Second Consular Proposal |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:34:40 +0000 (GMT) |
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Salvete,
>a) Why do we have to be so lenient? Do we really want
>to allow someone to actually commit *three* voting
>frauds? To me, one voting fraud seems one too many.
>This is a very serious offence, because it is an
>attack against the legitimacy of the political system
>of Nova Roma.
I think we all agree that punishment should be
harsher, but as Consul Sulla has pointed out, degrees
of punishment can be ammended by next years elected
magistrates. Surely you do not advocate voting against
this proposal because it is too leniant.
Valete
Decimus Iunius Silanus.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Endorsement For Tribune |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:13:43 -0800 (PST) |
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Salve,
One last time, I would like to endorse G. Modius Athanasius for Tribune.
As I have said before, he is trustworthy, reliable and, I believe, would serve the republic well.
Short and sweet.
Vale,
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: absent people |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:23:16 -0000 |
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Salve
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, URCITANUS <urcitanus@t...> wrote:
>
> This message is for that who really cares about it:
> I am a citizen of NR. I have been enjoying this
> community for 7 days now...
Hopefully you will feel the same 7 months from now. A rule of thumb
I have learned this past year is that community tensions tend to last
but a few days and then blow over. Sometimes the ride gets a little
wild but is usually worth hanging on.
> It would be a way to "clean" NR off lazy citizens who are only
> parasites, or that they are not in this community but nominaly.
> Besides, it would give us a realistic idea of how many people there
are
> Would it be possible? Could it be done some day?
There is currently a Census Law the provides for the Censors to take
a census of Nova Roma every two years (I'm doing this off the top of
my head so if I'm wrong about that two years part someone feel free
to correct me). The law is written to give everyone ample
opportunity to respond before their citizenship is forcibly
terminated, unfortunately the costs of mailing/phone calls was deemed
prohibitive this past year. If I remember correctly Consul Sulla
mentioned he was placing a proposal before the Senate for $300 of the
treasury to be allocated to performing a census in the coming year.
At first I kind of blanched at the term "parasite" until I thought
about it as I was writing about the cost of a Census. In a way you
are correct in that observation. It is a drain on Nova Roma's
resources to remove them from the citizen rosters.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Historical evidence of "Senate Open/Closed Door" |
| From: |
"Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:54:58 -0000 |
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Salve,
The doors are on a Church. They are sacred space (templum) now. It
would be a sacrilegical proposal. And if they are so well saved there
for XIV centuries, they are on a safe place. I´m most pleased with
the Roman Church by having keeping these relics safe, I really didn´t
know that, what a good surprise!
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba Templi Concordiae
-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher L. Wood" <xwood@u...>
wrote:
> Do you think they could ever be persuaded to sell them back?
>
> A rebuilt Curia could have the original doors on it.
>
>
> I did stumble upon something in the course of the research. The
> > original Senate doors have been preserved as the doors of the
> > Basilica of St. John The Lateran. They can be seen at
> > http://www.angelfire.com/ia/classicalworld/senatedoors.html
> >
> > Vale,
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] absent people |
| From: |
URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:23:01 +0100 |
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This message is for that who really cares about it:
I am a citizen of NR. I have been enjoying this
community for 7 days now...and it is such a wonderful feeling as I
thoght. I have some proposals. Provided that I am a new citizen, I do
not know if it´s bold of me to suggest some changes, but I would really
like to express them. Since I do not know exactly whom to adress them,
I write to this list, hopefully thinking any of you will be able to
take action or, in any case, you´ll pay attention to them.
The most important thing I would like to suggest for the moment is that
Inactive gens, paterfamilias or even citizens should be ereased from
NR, since they are a real palgue for our community. There should be a
rule by which, every citizen who does not participate, should be
banned.
It would be a way to "clean" NR off lazy citizens who are only
parasites, or that they are not in this community but nominaly.
Besides, it would give us a realistic idea of how many people there are
in NR (I guess many of NR citizens are definitely absent) Example: In
my gens, there are 18 people....Only three are real, the rest never did
nothing, never wrote, never was in a mail list, never answer my poor
paterfamilias.
Would it be possible? Could it be done some day?
Vale
antonius adrianus urcitanus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Endorsements and suporting: Arminius for Praetor, Pompeius for Tribune |
| From: |
"Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:04:59 -0000 |
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Salve,
I want to support two of the NR best propraetores as candidates on
that elections, Marcus Arminius Maior for Praetor and Lucius Pompeius
Octavianus for Tribune.
Anyone can easyly testimony their dedication on growing of NR on the
provincial level, the best font of rebirth of our Res Publica. And
having strong provincial life is all we need to make NR aeterna.
Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus
Elected Aedile Plebis et Questor
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