| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:06:18 -0500 |
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Salve, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Please do not leave Nova Roma .
The debates on the Main list should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt. No one should take these debates too far or to serious. Yes we must debate , we must learn from each other but we must remain united in the belief that some day ,in the distant future Nova Roma will have a physical reality. When It does people will get to know each other as real people and not at a printed voice on the internet. I have been a citizen for almost one year and have been lucky enough to be elected to a very low (the lowest) but never the less important Magistrate. I and the other newly elected officers of Nova Roma need and want to hear ( ok see) EVERYBODYS input.
As the Curator Differium I have the responsibility and the honor of putting before the Citizens of Nova Roma THEIR official newsletter. If I do not provide them what they want I am sure they will tell me and we will make adjustments accordingly . If the Tributes of the Plebs want to write a monthly column telling of the on going debate in the Senate there will be more that enough space to include it in the Eagle. In my humble opinion you have NOT dishonored yourself here and have given no reason whatsoever for you to leave. The "Founders" of Nova Roma have done a good and decent thing in bringing us all together. But like strong parents they tend to see those that came after the founding as children who need on going supervision and oversight. Those of us who are over 18, ( and have been for some time) do not need supervision or oversight. What we need are Citizens and Magistrates who can debate each other strongly and then go and buy each other a round in the Taverna. If you stay the FIRST round is on me.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:45 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality
Senator:
I've tried to keep my comments lighthearted. Tone doesn't translate well over the internet, obviously, but your tone comes through loud and clear. I originally joined Nova Roma with great expectations, and with an eye towards creating a re-enactment legion here in the Midwest. I felt citizenship in NR would be a logical first step towards that end, and give me a feeling of legitimacy and historical grounding, as it were.
Your "love it or leave it" attitude is compelling. It is familiar to me. I deal with it everyday in the form of judges who used to be attorneys. Once elevated to the status of judges they go power mad, almost to a one. Some use their power for pure madness, some actually do some good. Your attitude is patrician, arrogant, and inflexible. I doubt you conduct your real world affairs as you conduct yourself in here. If you do, well, what can I say? Good luck.
I've offered a few olive branches in my comments, none of which have been accepted. "I believe
politeness and respect should go *both* ways." Not that I've seen. You're past seeing yourself with any perspective. As a founder and longtime mover and shaker in here, I'm sure your butt is kissed plenty and you're convinced you can do no wrong. Just like a judge. Until a higher court says you're wrong. Then you call them idiots.
Perhaps I've been wrong. I've visited your home page, reread the Constitution and other founding documents, and consider you to have more than an appearance of intelligence you so graciously accorded me. So, you could be right and I could have joined NR for the wrong reasons. I will discuss this with the true paterfamilias of Basilicatus, my father Flavius B. Furius. If I have dishonored myself here through misjudgment, I will resign my citizenship.
Vale
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
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----- Original Message -----
From: cassius622@aol.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
Methinks thou doth protest too much! Go and join a greek organization? angry,
suspicious and sarcastic comments? not to be a forum of entertainment for the
Citizens?
Cassius:
Exactly so.
>I think you misread your history, Senator. I didn't know republican
government
was defined by secret meetings of the senate, secret pre-aproval of
candidates,
and a represenative body so suspicious of its own citizens and lacking
confidence in its judicial system that it could not put every issue it
debates
before its citizenry. I stand re-edified and re-informed.
Cassius:
Excellent, then we can move on.
>Senator, you appear to be doing a great job. However, the vitriol with which
you lash out at those who dissent does you a great diservice, and our nation.
Cassius:
Ah, so I should have taken your allusion that I'm some sort of cigar-smoking,
sneaky criminal in the friendly, brotherly spirit in which it was offered,
and also happily acquiesced to your suggestion that I should dress up as a
woman and defile the rites of the Bona Dea?
>You certainly must feel above suspicion and above reproach considering the
arrogance of your comments. Imagine, if you will, a modern politician
replying
in a newspaper to a dissenting constituent the way you have to me. He
wouldn't
be buying any green bannanas in Washington, and no error.
Cassius:
I see. So it is fine for you to be as nasty as you wish to myself and the
institutions of Nova Roma, but you should be treated with kid gloves in
return. I'm afraid I do not agree with such a world view... I believe
politeness and respect should go *both* ways. That is one very good reason
why I am not in Washington.
>You're supposed to be better than me, Senator. That said, I apologize for
any
sarcastic, angry, or suspicious comments I may have said. As a criminal
defense
attorney, I am suspicious of all secret machinations of my government.
Cassius:
You seem like an educated individual. That means you must obviously read and
understood information regarding the structure of Nova Roma, yet you were
willing to join. This does not make your sudden suspicion terribly
compelling. If your grievances against Roman government were that serious it
is difficult to understand why you would have ever joined in the first
place.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:50:02 +0100 |
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Salve Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
Salvete citizens,
> If the Tributes of the Plebs want to write a monthly column telling of
the on going > debate in >><the Senate there will be more that enough space
to include it in the Eagle.
I see that you've replied to Gaius Basilicatus Agricola's comment that he
was thinking of resigning. I certainly hope that he does not.
In this Forum even when only a few words are said out of line, or there is
sarcasm from one person or another, someone quits or threatens to. Our Nova
Romans are a good deal more thinner skinned that the ancient Rmans ever
were. So don't you realize that an 'open Senate Door' will just lead to
more of the same?
And one thing that you are also forgetting: who says that the Tribune
writing the column will correctly convey what is happening in the Senate? An
adverb here, an inflection there, and an unintentional English mistake could
quite easily influence the citizens' opinions on what actually was said
during Senate discussions.
So with all due respect for your new position as Eagle Editor, you will not
be getting any 'scoops' on the Senate debates from this Tribune and I hope
that my future colleagues will agree with me on this.
In all other matters, I support the Eagle, commend you on your enthusiasm
and wish you the best of luck in this new endeavour.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Multiple Citizenships & Voter Fraud |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:29:26 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/15/02 6:36:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
haase@konoko.net writes:
> Actually, the three leges we'll soon be voting on are my colleague's work,
> not
> mine; my name appears on one only because I suggested better wording.
>
Ah sorry Consul. I saw your name and presumed you had imput in them. I
should have done better research.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Multiple Citizenships and Voter Fraud |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:38:43 EST |
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In a message dated 12/15/02 7:18:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cassius622@aol.com writes:
> Did I actually say that I had a problem with the proposed lex, Q. Fabius,
> and
> that I would not vote for it? I said nothing of the sort.
You are correct Marcus Cassius. I totally misunderstood your first post.
Calling someone a liar does that to me I guess. I see red. (No pun
intended.) The Praetor Urbanus and the Consuls or the Consul had discussed
the situation. I was informed second hand to get my imput. There was
apparently some concern in last years Consulship because it was discussed
early in this year among several of the Senators, one who is no longer with
us.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality (was Re: Senate Doors) |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:41:18 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/15/02 8:24:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:
> Wrong. The tribunes would listen, then pass along what was happening to
> those citizens who wanted to hear outside.
>
>
And you were there? Damn! Can I borrow your time machine?
Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:50:07 EST |
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In a message dated 12/15/02 9:13:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:
> You're supposed to be better than me, Senator. That said, I apologize for
> any sarcastic, angry, or suspicious comments I may have said. As a criminal
> defense attorney, I am suspicious of all secret machinations of my
> government.
>
>
I would think so. Since you operate under a great burden. You are bound by
law to assume that the scumbag you are defending is innocent. That must be a
great strain.
But it also means you are creative. You have to be. Your job must be harder
now that Ashcroft has made changes to the rules.
But why is your macronational position impacting on NR? Study your primary
sources.
Roman ways of doing things, differed from ol' Miss.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality (was Re: Senate Doors) |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:49:27 -0600 |
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Yes, I was there. Just like Patton.
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality (was Re: Senate Doors)
In a message dated 12/15/02 8:24:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:
> Wrong. The tribunes would listen, then pass along what was happening to
> those citizens who wanted to hear outside.
>
>
And you were there? Damn! Can I borrow your time machine?
Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:50:23 -0600 |
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Not thin skinned. Just dramatic
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----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality
Salve Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
Salvete citizens,
> If the Tributes of the Plebs want to write a monthly column telling of
the on going > debate in >><the Senate there will be more that enough space
to include it in the Eagle.
I see that you've replied to Gaius Basilicatus Agricola's comment that he
was thinking of resigning. I certainly hope that he does not.
In this Forum even when only a few words are said out of line, or there is
sarcasm from one person or another, someone quits or threatens to. Our Nova
Romans are a good deal more thinner skinned that the ancient Rmans ever
were. So don't you realize that an 'open Senate Door' will just lead to
more of the same?
And one thing that you are also forgetting: who says that the Tribune
writing the column will correctly convey what is happening in the Senate? An
adverb here, an inflection there, and an unintentional English mistake could
quite easily influence the citizens' opinions on what actually was said
during Senate discussions.
So with all due respect for your new position as Eagle Editor, you will not
be getting any 'scoops' on the Senate debates from this Tribune and I hope
that my future colleagues will agree with me on this.
In all other matters, I support the Eagle, commend you on your enthusiasm
and wish you the best of luck in this new endeavour.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Opinions |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:14:43 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/15/02 2:59:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jmath669642reng@webtv.net writes:
> My point, which you may have missed,
> is that I have stated that in this case your opinion is incorrect, and I
> have said it more than once.
>
>
Well, it good to know you are infallible Marcus Minucius. How do you know my
opinion is incorrect? Better you say in your judgment you believe my opinion
is incorrect. This is based on the fact that we see two visions for NR. And
you don't like my version. You have told me this many times. So of course
if I complain or state my opinion, I use it as a "club." But when you do,
its just a massage? I respect your abilities, Minucius, and you have much
more practical knowledge then I, because you are a seasoned vet much older
and experienced.
But I say that certain people are using this forum to spread disinformation
about individuals to new people who do not know the difference, because I
believe there should be balance.
Which was what I was attempting to do, when you stepped in with your
diatribe.
I do know one thing. We both love NR. We both believe in her. And that is
what is most important.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Confused:: |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:51:10 -0300 (ART) |
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Salvete
I.Right now, we have elections going in three
Comitiae:
- Comitia Plebis Tributa
Run-off elections for Tribunus Plebis and Aedilis
Plebis. Only plebeians can vote !!
Started at 09 dec., go until 17 dec., 20 hours (08:00
pm), ** Time of Rome **
- Comitia Centuriata
Run-off election of Praetor
Started at 15 dec., go until 21 dec., 18 hours (06:00
pm), ** Time of Rome **
- Comitia Populi Tributa
Run-off elections for Quaestor
And voting of three laws
Started at 15 dec., go until 21 dec., 18 hours (06:00
pm), ** Time of Rome **
II- To vote, you need to be a full citizen of Nova
Roma, that is, approved by the Censores, more than 18
years of age and enlisted in the Tribes and Centuries;
i didnt saw your name (Titus Cornelius Romanus ?) in
the Album Civium, perhaps you cannot vote in this
opportunity.
For specific doubts, you can contact the Censores or
your paterfamilias, L. Cornelius Sulla.
III- For more information, you can read our laws in
the Tabularium, and our Constitution too.
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
--- "T.Cornelivs <titan_242002@yahoo.com>"
<titan_242002@yahoo.com> escreveu: > Salvete!Everyone.
Would someone expalin to me the
> voting rights of
> Nova Roma and who votes and what for?I am still new
> here and haven't
> learned everything about NR and the politics of it
> or ancient Roma.
> Thanks T.Cornelivs Romanvs.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: absent people |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:01:53 -0800 (PST) |
|
Thank you Maximus...
G.Porticus Brutis
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/13/02 6:22:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
chrislino777@hotmail.com writes:
Salvete
> I agree with Q. Fabius Maximus.
A rare occurence :-)
for example am a new citizen, I love > everything about ancient Rome, and
> feel that Nova Roma can help connect me to them somehow by allowing me to
> participate in and learn about all things Roman.
However I have been in the process of moving for the last few weeks, > and
> still am not settled in...in the meantime I have had no time to be very
> "active" I still read the boards however, as you can see. To complicate my
> situation my Gens is actually on the other side of the country with a few
> members in my state. To further complicate that I have no idea how to get
> in touch with them to try and see what is going on etc. Because I just
> don't have much time to find out. In the end, every great nation has a mix
> of citizens from active to inactive to criminals to great senators etc. it
> is what makes a nation a nation.Do you think Rome cast it's citizens out
> who were not proving their "activity"?
Of course not. Which was my entire point, which you restated so eloquently,
Decimus Cornelius Romanus .
If this pool of people were taking our money, or refusing to join the levy,
or intriquing to overturn the republic, such an action would make sense.
Since they are not, leave them be.
>
>
> By the way, to my bros. and siters who might be reading this, please write
> me and let me know how I can get in touch with you :)
You are a member of a great gens. They have a mailing list which you should
be subscribed to.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Opinions |
| From: |
mark mannina <markmannina@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:24:23 -0800 (PST) |
|
PAX!
Hail Queen Victory
Hail Fathers
Hail Rome!
May Our Vestals continue to Guard our Liberty.
All Joy to You
Salve Saturn.
As Our Sun Grows; May we all be
SPQR.
M.Leco-Diannius
--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/15/02 2:59:50 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> jmath669642reng@webtv.net writes:
>
>
> > My point, which you may have missed,
> > is that I have stated that in this case your
> opinion is incorrect, and I
> > have said it more than once.
> >
> >
> Well, it good to know you are infallible Marcus
> Minucius. How do you know my
> opinion is incorrect? Better you say in your
> judgment you believe my opinion
> is incorrect. This is based on the fact that we see
> two visions for NR. And
> you don't like my version. You have told me this
> many times. So of course
> if I complain or state my opinion, I use it as a
> "club." But when you do,
> its just a massage? I respect your abilities,
> Minucius, and you have much
> more practical knowledge then I, because you are a
> seasoned vet much older
> and experienced.
> But I say that certain people are using this forum
> to spread disinformation
> about individuals to new people who do not know the
> difference, because I
> believe there should be balance.
> Which was what I was attempting to do, when you
> stepped in with your
> diatribe.
> I do know one thing. We both love NR. We both
> believe in her. And that is
> what is most important.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] my endorsements |
| From: |
Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@welho.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:37:30 +0200 |
|
Salvete omnes,
As I have been approached some citizens who would like to know which
candidates I would endorse, I hearby do that now.
I would like to endorse:
GNAEUS SALIX ASTUR for PRAETOR
CLAUDIUS SALIX DAVIANUS for QUAESTOR
LUCIUS DIDIUS GEMINUS SCEPTIUS for TRIBUNUS PLEBIS
MARCUS MARCIUS REX for TRIBUNUS PLEBIS
I have worked with all these people and I can assure you they deserve
your votes. They are honest, hard-working men who have the talents
and abilities to cope with the post they are candidating.
And lastly, regardless that if you agree or disagree these
endorsements, please remember to vote!
Valete,
--
Caius Curius Saturninus
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Concursus Primus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: was Senator Sulla but now I don't know what the subject should be.... |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:12:21 -0000 |
|
---Salve Diana:
Po gives all this a shake after her three twelve hour night
shifts.......ahh, I think I understand
Moreover.....after the three rather, uhh, 'eventful' shifts I've just
put in at the hospital, 'nobody', I mean 'nobody' would want to be
me :)
One nice thing, which has absolutely zilch to do with Nova Roma,
happened though. One of my people is quite ill, and the attending
family member wanted to go home for a while. The patient told her
privately that this was ok, to go ahead, that "I" (yep that's me) was
on, so he felt safe and well attended to.
That made it all worthwhile, to hear something so complimentary.
It is nice to hear such appreciative comments in one's career.
Not to brag, I am really just an average nurse, but just wanted to
share something very special with fellow Romans.
Now if I could only get used to this new keyboard.....uggh
Po
In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@p...>
wrote:
> Salve Pompeia,
>
> Huh? I was the person 'sucking up' and not you dear lady. It is my
modus
> operandi so to speak......
>
> Diana said: Pompeia, that was me blatantly 'sucking up' again. It
is often
> said that 'Flattery will get you nowhere' but I keep trying just
the same
> :-)
>
> Pompeia replied: Diana, I do believe that someone is impersonating
me :)!!!!
> Can Nova Roma handle two Pompeias???? Not two Pompeias.......no
> NOOOOOOOOO!!!! :)
>
> Diana now says:
>
> Maybe I should have wrote: "Hey Pompeia, look! Here I am (Diana)
and I
> (Diana) am blatantly sucking up again: this time to Maximus, just
like I
> (Diana) was sucking up yesterday to Pius, trying to throw in a bit
of
> flattery in my email so that no one responds to me too nastily
because I am
> sensitive and cry easily and don't like to cry because then my nose
turns
> red."
>
> So no one is impersonating you, just me (Diana) impersonating me
(Diana
> again), and hoping that the impersonated Diana comes across more
clever than
> the original Diana :-)
>
> And to make it clear :
> 1) Diana flatters everyone, every chance she gets. This is why she
is very
> popular at office parties, especially if the party attendees are
male.
> 2)We have one Pompeia in NR and not two.
> 3)No one was impersonating Pompeia. Diana must have just written
something
> weird and it was misunderstood by the one and only, original and
never, ever
> impersonated Pompeia.
> 4) Diana thinks that she writes clearly in English, but now she is
beginning
> to worder about that..
>
> Vale!
> Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Digest No 353 Multiple Citizenships & Voter Fraud |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:50:01 -0500 |
|
Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD
I don't have any evidence of Multiple Citizenships now, but there was a time
when I think there were a couple of people who had them. Those were
corrected years ago. This was at a time before we have the positive
acknowledgement of a person being admitted. We have a much better handle on
the data now, thanks to Marcus Octavius, and there would only be duplicate
citizenships of those who are deliberately misleading. Changing their name,
address and email, such as these. I don't believe that it is so very
difficult to print out a form and mail it in with a return self addresses
stamped envelope that it shouldn't be done.
Also the idea of each provincia having a representative is not really
necessary, but I see having a Scriba Censoribis in a region (N America, S
America, Europe, Asia, Australia) to verify the form and save everyone on
postage as a good idea.
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:44:57 EST
From: cassius622@aol.com
Subject: Multiple Citizenships & Voter Fraud
Salvete,
I have not had opportunity to comment on the 'voter fraud' issue before
this.
However, I must ask a basic question... exactly how do we know there IS
voter
fraud?
>From what I've seen, junior Consul Sulla has stated that he has proof that
there are many people who have gained multiple Citizenships in attempt to
gain undue voting powers. This has been mentioned many times as a real and
immediate problem that must be dealt with right now, etc. etc.
Perhaps it is. But, on the other hand, as a Senator I have not seen one
specific piece of evidence that this situation actually exists, or how bad
it
might be.
I confess I am reminded of the bluffs that Senator McCarthy used against
'communists' in the 50's here in the USA. ...
By this I am NOT accusing junior consul Sulla of being untruthful. What I AM
saying is that the exact details of who is known to have multiple
Citizenships should be shared with the Senate, ...
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:43:07 -0600
From: "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Senate Confidentiality (was Re: Senate Doors)
"The Senate reviews the actions of existing provincial
Praetors, and at times must remove existing Praetors and appoint new ones."
If they're public officials, then their actions are in the public eye,any
discussion of them must public in nature, I would imagine.
Senator Lucius Equitius: The Senate is not elected and for me it is a body
of citizens who hold the life of the republic sacred. Those Propraetores are
not elected officials, they are appointed by the Senate.
Also, the constitution gives the Senate the authority to set it's own rules.
"V. The Senate f. The Senate may, by Senatus consultum, enact rules
governing its own internal procedures (such Senatus consulta may not be
overruled by laws passed in the comitia)."
We have determined not to hold our discussion in a public forum. A couple of
other Senatores have explained the reasoning, and I agree with those
reasons.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] (unknown) |
| From: |
"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:55:55 -0000 |
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The cives with the following voter tracking codes have malformed or
inaccurate voter code:
#28086, #31045, #30045
Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is given, and if you
are unsure of your new code, follow my instructions posted previously
to obtain your current voter code by e-mail:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339
Or you may write the censors: censors @ novaroma.org
---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] German translations |
| From: |
TiAnO <tiberius_ann@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:43:36 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete omnes,
The following text will also be written in German.
Der folgende Text wird auch auf Deutsch geschrieben.
Here you will find a list of pages of the NR homepage, which are allready translated into German and uploaded for your use:
Hier finden Sie eine Liste von Seiten der NR Homepage, welche schon auf Deutsch übersetzt wurden und für Ihren Gebrauch bereit stehen:
www.novaroma.org/euro.html.de
www.novaroma.org/events.html.de
www.novaroma.org/faq.html.de
www.novaroma.org/index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/literature.html.de
www.novaroma.org/main.html.de
www.novaroma.org/master_index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/payment.html.de
www.novaroma.org/aerarium_saturni/budget2754c.html.de
www.novaroma.org/aerarium_saturni/budget2755.html.de
www.novaroma.org/aerarium_saturni/index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/aerarium_saturni including all the financial documents / inklusive aller finanzieller Dokumente.
www.novaroma.org/calendar/index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/camenaeum/master_index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/religio_romana including all the subpages / inklusive aller Unterseiten
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/articles.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/declaration_novaroma.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-05-20-i.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-05-20-iii.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-07-05-iii.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/index.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-ix.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-viii.html.de
www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/index.html.de
www.novarom.org/via_romana/index.html.de
www.novarom.org/via_romana/names.html.de
www.novarom.org/via_romana/names2.html.de
www.novarom.org/via_romana/philosophy.html.de
www.novarom.org/via_romana/reenactments/index.html.de
www.novarom.org/via_romana/reenactments/master_index.html.de
I very much enjoy working on the translations. However, I don't have the money to pay the tax and I would like to ask some of the financially more fluent citizens to step up and pay the tax. I would also like to say, that I don't really ask this only for myself. I think, that all the translators should not have to pay, in order to be able to do work for you. I hope you understand this and I hope that many of you step forward and pay the tax for one or the other translator, if he/she accepts that.
Ich arbeite gerne an den Übersetzungen. Ich habe allerdings nicht das Geld, um die Steuern zu bezahlen und darum möchte ich die finanziell stärkeren Bürger darum bitten, mir die Steuern zu bezahlen. Ich möchte auch festhalten, dass ich das nicht ganz nur für mich alleine beantrage. Ich denke, dass kein Übersetzer selbst zahlen sollte, damit wir für euch arbeiten dürfen. Ich hoffe, dass Ihr dies versteht und auch, dass Einige die Initiative ergreifen werden, und dem einen oder anderen Übersetzer die Steuern bezahlen werden, wenn er/sie da annehmen will.
Valete bene, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO)
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Digest No 354 |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:20:57 -0500 |
|
Message: 20
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:19:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Cato in print?
Censor L. Equitius Cincinnatus A. Apollonio Cordo SPD
The Censor wrote:
> And I disagree, it seems that some of you have
> opinions, yet Ironic to me is that while you have an
> opinion about the man you admit to not even knowing
> what he wrote!
I'm very sorry to see that I've roused your
irritation.
Lucius Equitius: Nope, you just made an ignorant (uninformed) statement and
I posted the correct information.
It's true that I wasn't aware that Cato's
'On Agriculture' was fully extant. I think it's
perhaps slightly unfair to construe from this that I
don't know what he wrote:
<SNIP>
I also wonder whether it's entirely fair to imply (at
least this seems to me the implication of your
comment) that one cannot hold a very well-founded
opinion of a historical person without being aware
that one of his books has survived in full.
L Equitius: "Not fair, not fair", Jeez, how is it fair for you to state an
opinion without having done the reading? and I'm not entitled to mine when I
own the book and read it?
The Censor also wrote:
> Perhaps one should investigate for oneself before
> parroting common dogma....,
> which is one of the reasons that Nova Roma exists I
> would dare say.
I quite agree with these sentiments. I stated that I
agreed with F. Galerius Aurelianus' statement that
Cato was grumpy, opinionated, xenophobic, and I forget
the rest. I do think that these were characteristics
of his.
L Equitius: Oh, and you base that on what? You met him in a former life?
Fama volat!
BTW "xenophobic", remember the word for stranger and enemy is the same in
Latin,
Hostis.
Again, I'm sorry to have upset the Censor, and I hope
that his anger is somewhat ameliorated by my further
comments...
Cordus
L Equitius: I wasn't angry, I was just challenging your asserted opinion
based on ignorance. Now you assert anger on my part to somehow place
yourself as an 'injured party'. I think that you are claiming that I'm
angry to make me look bad, is that fair? I guess this tool of rhetoric needs
a name, let's call it 'victimization'.
One needn't be angry to call someone on erroneous assertions and provide
information (that a book actually exists and how to find it).
Cordus, your a educated guy but there are many well educated people in the
world who have opinions, why does everyone feel it's their duty to post
opinion, especially when they haven't the *facts* first.? Then why do they
feel that anyone wants to hear their opinion?
De gustibus non disputatium
I think Cato was a great guy! He wrote a great book to help his friends and
family, so there's my opinion. Quite frankly I'm bored with opinions and
those who feel it is their divine right to express them on *every* subject.
So call me, "grumpy, opinionated, xenophobic, and I forget
the rest.", does anyone care? Not me.
PS, all 'questions' above are rhetorical, I really don't care for the
response, unless someone can provide a *primary* source, say Cato's family,
that attests to his character as grumpy, opinionated, xenophobic, et cetera.
Tomorrow is Saturnalia, but I wanted to get an early start. he he he
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Cato |
| From: |
"gaiuspopilliuslaenas <ksterne@bellsouth.net>" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:26:00 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
Even Colleen McCullough gives him some good press in her latest book.
Even if he was a drunken, obstinate, mos maiorum obsessed, civil war
causin' loser!
(Hee-hee, just kidding Cenosr)
Gaius popillius Laenas
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Nova Roma |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:42:14 -0500 (EST) |
|
Senator Maximus;
First let me thank you for your very kind and generous words. I too,
understand that you are as attached to Nova Roma as I. I also
understand that we stand apart on many smaller issues, but upon that one
major idea, we seem always to combine our skills and services to defend
NR. I am sure that Nova Roma will become some combinattion of our
views, and perhaps that will add a certain strength to her existance and
to her status in the world.
I am glad that it has finally come to you that I am not infallable, my
friend, because as I have said many times on this net, I make as many
mistakes as the average bird, and on occasion significantly more
(Grin!!!!!!!).
Yes, you are correct. I try to make my comments more like a "massage"
than a "clubbing" because, I believe that in the future each person with
whom I disagree in the here and now, will be a "comrade -in-arms" in
some coming matter or concern. It has happened many times in NR to
date, I would not suppose that the situation will change much in the
forseeable future. Regardless of what many say, it is always more
difficult to serve "in harness" for a common effort with someone that
you "dislike", rather than with someone with whom you have merely
disagreed. Our joint Consulship, I strongly believe, was an example of
that combnation of skills. For that reason I do not care for the term
(dislike) in a medium where people have not met face-to-face. You are
quite right, I do not "know" that there is a not a dislike for your
particular friend extant. But I do "know" something of the poster to
whom I was referring, and "in my humble opinion" niether he nor the vast
majority of the Citizens of NR are so shallow in thier personal views as
to "dislike" someone prior to meeting them. Such is only my feeling
backed, as you have indicated, by many years of reading people, and
working with them for thier benefit and for the benefit of my country.
Thank you for providing for me the opportunity to say such again,
perhaps this time in a more satisfying word combination.
There is no-one in NR that I disagree with all of the time, even as
there is no-one here with whom I agree with all the time. That, I
think, compliments your search for "balance" in NR, and I am pleased
that we both are striving for the same goals. It may well be that it is
simply our methods which differ and sometimes draw sparks Sparks I can
handle (grin!!!!!!), flames require a complete "fire company" to deal
with them effectively.
Again I thank you for your very kind words, and, I shall view your more
critical comments with great care as I always do in everything that you
write.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cato |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:19 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas
<ksterne@b...>" <ksterne@b...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Even Colleen McCullough gives him some good press in her latest
>book.
>
>
>
> Even if he was a drunken, obstinate, mos maiorum obsessed, civil
war
> causin' loser!
Actually, that's a completely different Cato. The one in McCullough's
book is Cato Uticensis. The Cato being discussed by Lucius Equitius
and others is Cato Censorius, the great-grandfather of Cato Uticensis.
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cato in print?-To Cordus & L. Equitius Cincinnatus |
| From: |
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:08:10 EST |
|
>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Cordus, L. Equitius Cincinnatus, and
SPQNR. Salvete.
To Cordus, I recommend that you look into the Penguin and Loeb Classics for
what Greek & Roman writers are currently in print. I would recommend that
you look into a subject before you jump the arcuballista.
To L. Equitius Cincinnatus, I do not believe I stated anything about Cato the
Censor that was not true in some way. I have read his work both for the
agricultural and religious information. He was highly opinionated (as were
many of the Roman writers were), xenophobic (he had an irrational hatred of
Carthage-"Carthago delenda est"), tight-fisted (his work shows that old
slaves and animals should be removed so as not to be a financial liability),
and (based on my experience with Mississippi, Tennessee, and Alabama farmers)
grumpy; if you have ever lived and worked on a farm for many years, you'd be
a little grumpy also.
I have read and continue to read many of the ancient authors. Some have a
tendency to hyperbole, others are vain & egocentric, some are pious, some are
truly entertaining. None of these characteristics may detract from my
enjoyment of reading them. I merely voiced an opinion concerning a single
ancient author within the context of a message urging my fellow citizens to
be moderate in response. If you take exception, I regret your problem but
will not reverse myself on the opinion.
Vale.
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Some Serious Comments on Senate Confidentiality |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:14:02 +0100 |
|
Salve Pompeia,
> The Tribunes could still do this. Diana, why not bring back this
< tradition? Just a general description of 'what is being
< discussed/proposed??? This is the historical way, as far as I can
< see.
Sounds find to me. I'll look in the archives to see what Lucius Sergius used
to post so that I have a guideline.
And I find that when the Tribunes reports are posted on the main list, it
usually just says 'here are the results of the Senate's votes on 'X' And I
admit, I read all of the emails posted here and 9 times out of 10, I can't
remember what 'x' is. So a few sentences of explanation would certainly go a
long way to make everyone a bit more aware of what has been voted on.
Change of Topic:
>Moreover.....after the three rather, uhh, 'eventful' shifts I've just
>put in at the hospital, 'nobody', I mean 'nobody' would want to be
<me :)
GOL! (giggling out loud)
>One of my people is quite ill, and the attending
>family member wanted to go home for a while. The patient told her
>privately that this was ok, to go ahead, that "I" (yep that's me) was
>on, so he felt safe and well attended to.
>That made it all worthwhile, to hear something so complimentary.
I am sure that you deserved the compliment! And if he said it out loud to
you, then there are scores of others who feel the same as he does but have
not expressed it to you.
>It is nice to hear such appreciative comments in one's career.
>Not to brag, I am really just an average nurse, but just wanted to
>share something very special with fellow Romans.
Nursing is such an honourable occupation and I'm sure that you are being
modest when you say that you are an 'average' nurse. Certainly the patient
that you mentioned above doesn't think so!
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Eagle European address |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:32:13 +0100 |
|
Salve Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
> You send your $12.00 (subscription not tax) to Nova Roma P.O. Box 1897
Wells, ME 04090
I've just noticed that the German pages that were uploaded give the
following address for the Eagle in Europe. Is that correct? And what is the
price in Euros by the way?
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Hier finden Sie eine Liste von Seiten der NR Homepage, welche schon auf
Deutsch |bersetzt wurden und f|r Ihren Gebrauch bereit stehen:
www.novaroma.org/euro.html.de
'The Eagle' in Europa
3, Abbey Walk,
Osney Lane,
Oxford,
OX1 1NN.
U.K.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality-On Cigars & Smoke-filled Rooms |
| From: |
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:37:56 EST |
|
If the Senate (or any other political, economic, or religiousn body of NR)
needs a smoke-filled room and some cigars, please come down to my little
place of business. The mead is cum gratis. Salve.
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
aka Patrick D. Owen, Prop.
Market St.Smoke Shop
Nashville, Tennessee
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality |
| From: |
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:48:02 EST |
|
>From F.Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Basilicatus Agricola. Salve.
We have never spoken directly, good citizen, but I have found many of your
posts most interesting and, at times, entertaining. I do not believe it is
in the best interests of the Republic for you to compare the actions of the
illustrious senator with those in the mundane/modern world nor to consider
resigning from NR. I have never found him to be a hard-core "love it or
leave it" patrician. I grant you that I have never been in total agreement
with him on many issues either. We are, however, entering a new
administrative period for the Republic with many fresh new magistrates who
are showing a zeal for reform and growth. Regardless of personal opinion of
another citizen, the Republic is more that one citizen, one gens, or one
macronation. We are stronger by your presence than without it. May the gods
grant you good fortune. Vale.
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality |
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Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:52:18 EST |
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Well said, my good cousin.
F.Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Confidentiality (was Re: Senate Doors) |
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PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com |
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Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:56:01 EST |
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>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Illustrus Q. Fabius Maximus.
Salve.
I am not sure the Republic would survive a bean in the [time] machine. That's
a latin pun, I say, I say, boy; a pun.
Vale.
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