| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Importance of Saturn |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:18:01 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, me-in-@d... wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a...
> >
> >The assumption that the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes are solely
responsible for the names of the days of the week is a common fallacy.
>
> And as said, it wasn't necessarily all Anglo-Saxons. Thorr is
Scandinavian, the AS is (rather obviously) Thunor, later Thunder. Yet
the weekday takes the shorter form, not something like Thundresday. I
understand that when Iceland went Christian they fixed it by renaming
the days First-day, Two-day, Midweek....
>
I wouldn't say that the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes were solely
responsible there are many factors, including the Vikings. But as
far as the modern English naming of the days of the week to say they
were not heavily responsible would be to say that the Egyptians were
not heavily responsible for the pyramids.
If I remember my world history correctly off the top of my head, in
Biblical times the Hebrews only had one day of the week that had a
name, that was of cousre, the Sabbath. The rest of the week was the
first day, second day, the third day, ect... Perhaps Sulla or
another member of the Jewish Sodality can confirm or refute that. If
my memory is correct it would seem the Icelandic Christians remained
a bit truer to Christianity's Jewish roots.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: New Seven Wonders |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:27:30 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
<bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> of what is on their list. And even if the Pyramids were on the old
> list, why not include them on the new as well since they are still
> standing? I wrote in my suggestions since they say they are still
> adding to their list. I'm going to hold off voting until they
declare
> the list closed for new candidates.
>
Indeed the Pyramids are the only remain structures in the original
list of the "seven wonders of the world." Not too shabby a feat.
Engineering structures aren't the only things I would consider
wonders of the world. What about penicillin? Even if I am allergic
the discovery of penicillin revolutionized medicine. Sure a
penicillin tablet isn't the grandest looking thing in the world but
the pyramids or the Hoover Dam won't do much for a person with TB.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: New Seven Wonders |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:23:24 EST |
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Actually this is just a clever scheme to gain mailing addresses to marketers.
Since I voted, I was hit by a whole new bunch of spam whose addresses were
not known to my spam zapper.
They won't accept your vote unless they can verify your e-mail address. The
reason seems obvious.
IO Saturnalia
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: New Seven Wonders |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:50:58 -0000 |
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That's why I always give them my boss's email address. And he
wonders why he's always getting so much spam <G>
Q. Cassius Calvus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> Actually this is just a clever scheme to gain mailing addresses to
marketers.
> Since I voted, I was hit by a whole new bunch of spam whose
addresses were
> not known to my spam zapper.
>
> They won't accept your vote unless they can verify your e-mail
address. The
> reason seems obvious.
>
> IO Saturnalia
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: New Seven Wonders |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) |
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I Keep a free web mail account for sites that demand
an adress. I just empty the spam in it every once in a
while.
I Didn't vote on the Wonders because I didn't care for
thier choices. The Panama Canal, the Pyramids, and the
Kennedy Space port are missing from the list, though I
would have also voted for the Great Wall of China.
--- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>"
<richmal@attbi.com> wrote:
> That's why I always give them my boss's email
> address. And he
> wonders why he's always getting so much spam <G>
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a...
> wrote:
> > Actually this is just a clever scheme to gain
> mailing addresses to
> marketers.
> > Since I voted, I was hit by a whole new bunch of
> spam whose
> addresses were
> > not known to my spam zapper.
> >
> > They won't accept your vote unless they can verify
> your e-mail
> address. The
> > reason seems obvious.
> >
> > IO Saturnalia
> >
> > Q. Fabius Maximus
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Fw: [romanbyzantineempire] Project 1453 - The Fall of Constantinople |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:49:23 -0800 |
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Avete Omnes,
I am forwarding this to our list for those of us who are enthusiasts of the Eastern Roman Empire.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: terry_1453 <orgcom1453@bigpond.com>
To: romanbyzantineempire@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 5:53 AM
Subject: [romanbyzantineempire] Project 1453 - The Fall of Constantinople
Hello Roman and Byzantine history enthusiasts,
My name is Terry Papadis and I am a member of the Organising
Committee for Project 1453. As you are no doubt aware, the 29th of
May 2003 will mark the 550 year anniversary of the Fall of
Constantinople by the Ottoman Turks. This landmark event brought to
a close the thousand year history of the Eastern Roman Empire, also
known as the Byzantine Empire. At the same time it provided a new
capital for the emerging Ottoman Empire, which was to survive for
nearly another 500 years.
It is a date with enormous historical, cultural, spiritual and
emotional significance to both Christians and Moslems, Hellenes and
Turks and to other peoples in Europe, the Middle East and a broadly
acknowledged turning point in world history. Furthermore both the
Byzantine and Ottoman Empires had significant cultural influence well
beyond their geographical borders.
Briefly, our Project 1453 will endeavour to mark the events of the
29th of May 1453. Although in the stages of planning, the event will
be launched on the 29th May 2003 at the Redmond Barry Reception
Centre on level 46, 55 Collins Street, followed by a two day
symposium on the following weekend at the Fitzroy Campus of the
Australian Catholic University in Melbourne Australia.
The keynote lecture will be dual presentation giving an historical
account of what took place on the 29th of May 1453; I will give the
Byzantine perspective and Dr. Susan Aykut the Ottoman version.
Beyond the keynote address, other speakers are being invited to
provide a multifaceted view on this subject, as it is expected that
these separate lectures will reflect on the implications and meaning
of 1453, not only for Hellenes and Turks, Christians and Muslims but
for Europe and world civilisation in general.
We envisage, for example, talks on the legacies of the Byzantine and
Ottoman empires in today's world; specialised lectures on Byzantine
and Ottoman art and architecture of the period, lectures on Islam and
Christianity and other perspectives on cultural, political, military
and social aspects. Our objective is to bring as many different
voices in this project as possible and allow participating audiences
to make up their own minds about the views presented, as long as
these views are presented from an academic, non-militant and balanced
manner.
Project 1453 has been accredited by the UNESCO programme 'Culture of
Peace'. Please refer to:
http://www3.unesco.org/iycp/uk/uk_visu_action.asp?CodeAction=1143
In brief, the event organisers have the following objectives in
regards to Project 1453:
* To mark this important historical event, involving the people on
whom it had the most impact.
* To further mutual understanding between the Greek and Turkish
communities in Melbourne and regional Victoria and engender a spirit
of goodwill and reconciliation. Already this traditionally sensitive
relationship is strengthening, not only between the Greek and Turkish
governments and people, but also amongst young Australians from these
and other backgrounds.
* To promote and popularise the study of history and expose audiences
to a variety of informed opinions and academic views.
* To explore the historical events, outcomes and implications of the
East Roman/ Byzantine and the Ottoman periods to the peoples of that
specific and broader regions.
We believe that this is the first time in Australia that individual
communities will co-operate in marking this special event. Given
this unique approach to this event, we are hopeful of attracting
considerable media coverage. Furthermore, a number of key community
organisations and high profile individuals have already promised
their support, these are listed below:
CONFIRMED SPEAKERS AND SUBJECT AREAS
* Dr Susan Aykut (Organising Committee),(University of Melbourne & La
Trobe University) on Parallel Women's Lives (Plutarch's concept but
based on Byzantine and Ottoman notable women)
* Mr. Terry Papadis (OrgCom) on Image and Faith, The Iconoclast Era
* the New Varangian Guard (an Australian historical re-enactment
group based on the Imperial Varangian Guard in Constantinople) for
authoritative and historically accurate visual displays and
performances
* Ms. Helen Harper on 'Popular Entertainment in Ottoman Istanbul'
* Dr Adrian Jones (La Trobe University) on (i) Sultan Fatih Mehmet II
and (ii) on Russia as Third Rome
* Mr. Dean Kalimniou (historian and journalist for Neos Kosmos,
largest circulation Greek language newspaper in Australia) on the
Legacy of the Last Roman Emperor and Project 1453 Arts Co-Ordinator
* the Romiosini Association on 'What, if anything, is Byzantine?'
(or 'The importance of being Roman')
* Dr Julia Kelly (Researcher in Art History and Archaeology La Trobe
University) on New Rome, Foundation of the Imperial Capital
* Mr. Phillip Constan on 'Living Byzantium, The Alpha to Omega of
Mount Athos' (travel commentary on a pilgrim's perspective of a
recent visit)
* Dr Tim Dawson (University of New England) on Byzantine & Ottoman
Imperial Costume
* The Mehter Band (Ottoman military band)
* Associate Professor Roger Scott, (University of Melbourne), on
Byzantine Chronicles, topic TBA
* Dr Peter Tilley, (Consulate General of San Marino) Jews in
Istanbul, topic TBA
* Dr Joan Barclay Lloyd, (La Trobe University) on Byzantine Art
* Mr Umit Ertürk, ('The Spear of Fame', fine hand-embroidered
ceremonial regalia). Ottoman Gold and Silk Embroideries
* Rev. Prof. Robert Gribben, (Uniting Church of Australia ) topic TBA
* Mr. Dmetri Kakmi, Publishing Editor, Project 1453 Arts Co-Ordinator
* Dr. Vrasidas Karalis from the Greek Orthodox Church Archdiocese of
Australia and the University of Sydney on 'Orthodoxy as the spiritual
ark of Byzantium' (TBC)
* The ABC Radio National 'The Europeans' programme
We would like to invite interested parties to participate in this
event. I can be contacted on 03 9523 1950 (AH), 0417012124 or e-
mail: orgcom1453@bigpond.com
Best regards,
Terry Papadis
Organising Committee Project 1453
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] ispwest |
| From: |
"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:57:07 +0000 |
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Salvete omnes:
Could anybody there, who knows, tell me what he thinks of ISPWEST.
I just got a 15 days free trial, and not being much of a computer
expert, I am still trying to figure it out. Presently, I have aol, and I am
not happy with their system.
I appreciate any input.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Saturn's Day |
| From: |
"Lilith <lillistcrow@earthlink.net>" <lillistcrow@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:20:59 -0000 |
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Hello everyone. I was under the perhaps-mistaken impression that
Saturn was generally related to Odin, in a sort of roundabout-you-
worship-your-gods-and-that's-OK-as-long-as-you-add-the-Augustus-to-
your-pantheon sort of way. Or that the people who put together the
days of the week adopted him as a deity because of social pressures
and related him to Odin. Is this wrong?
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Saturn's Day |
| From: |
"Brighn \(Paul Kershaw\)" <brighn@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:50:43 -0500 |
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It wouldn't make immediate sense, since Odin has his own day (Woden's Day
[Wednesday] vs. Saturn's Day [Saturday]). I don't know about the history
behind it, though. (It would make sense based on the days of the week alone
that the Norse had accepted Saturn into their pantheon as a separate Deity
at the time that the names of the week were finalized, but again, that's a
superficial linguistic observation, not based on any historical
documentation... my gut says that's wrong, though. *shrug*)
-- Festus
----- Original Message -----
From: Lilith <lillistcrow@earthlink.net>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Saturn's Day
Hello everyone. I was under the perhaps-mistaken impression that
Saturn was generally related to Odin, in a sort of roundabout-you-
worship-your-gods-and-that's-OK-as-long-as-you-add-the-Augustus-to-
your-pantheon sort of way. Or that the people who put together the
days of the week adopted him as a deity because of social pressures
and related him to Odin. Is this wrong?
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