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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] FYI Seven Wonders of the Modern World
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:12:19 -0600

Ave MOS:

"Discussing with you never ceases to amaze and amuse me!"

I try, brother.

"I am not "gonna cry". I just hate cynical sarcasm, that's all."

Okay. How do you like your lamb burger?:0)

"You know, I didn't call you an asshole"

Riiight.

"And besides, if you're such a tough guy you should be able to handle such comparisons."

I'm not a tough guy, Glen. I'm real sensitive. I cry when reading the "Apologia", when Socrates is killing himself. I also cryed during Forest Gump, when Bubba died right there by that river in Vietnam.
Bubba: Forest?
Forest:Yes, Bubba?
Bubba:I want to go home.

I am crying right now. I'm not joking.

"Sow sarcasm, harvest anger. It's pure logic."

Maybe your logic. Could be "Sow sarcasm, reap laughter, move on"

:-D

Vale,

GB Agricola

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From: M. Octavius Solaris
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] FYI Seven Wonders of the Modern World

Salve Gai Basilicate!

Discussing with you never ceases to amaze and amuse me! Offtopic it is, but who cares ;o).
Are you gonna cry cause of the little girl who thought human emotions more wonderous than the Great pyramids? Maybe she missed he point of the exercise. Would you like a little lamb burger and some french cries?

MOS: I am not "gonna cry". I just hate cynical sarcasm, that's all.

I guess she left out the ability of humans to lash out in blind anger; for example, calling a fellow citizen an "asshole" over a made up story. Truly a wonderous thing. Just like rain drops on roof tops and whiskers on kittens.

MOS: You know, I didn't call you an asshole (according to R. Ashcroft you may be one, though) ! And besides, if you're such a tough guy you should be able to handle such comparisons. Sow sarcasm, harvest anger. It's pure logic. What did you expect? "Hear hear Argicola, your sarcasm was really necessary, to the point and constructive!". Poor devil! How dare I attack you like that? Come on man ;o).

Okay okay, this message isn't the epitome of constructiveness either. I was just clarifying my point.

Vale bene!
M. Octavius Solaris

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Wonders on the ML: was FYI Seven Wonders of the Modern World
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:41:31 +0100

Dear Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,

In defense of my compatriot Octavius Solaris : In his email of vrijdag 27
december 2002 19:30, he definitely did not call anyone on this list an
'asshole'.

For someone who is sensitive to sarcasm or bluntness when it is directed at
you (re. a few weeks ago when you were thinking of leaving NR during the
'Open Door' discussions) you sure do dish out the one liners, one after the
other... So fast in fact, that you very very rarely 'snip' the part that you
are one-lining to, so that all of us have to scroll down through your long
law office signature and then reread the entire email that follows in order
to try and figure out what exactly your one-liner referred to.

'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' is a valid philosophy to
live by in Nova Roma, no matter what one's religious path may be.
Unfortunately 'I dish it out but I can't take it' seems to be a more popular
one.

Vale,
Diana

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis-elect 2756
Sacerdos Venus
http://www.gensmoravia.org
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Wonders on the ML: was FYI Seven Wonders of the Modern World
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:38:22 -0600

Lighten up, cupcake. Its all in good fun.

Dear Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,

In defense of my compatriot Octavius Solaris : In his email of vrijdag 27
december 2002 19:30, he definitely did not call anyone on this list an
'asshole'.

For someone who is sensitive to sarcasm or bluntness when it is directed at
you (re. a few weeks ago when you were thinking of leaving NR during the
'Open Door' discussions) you sure do dish out the one liners, one after the
other... So fast in fact, that you very very rarely 'snip' the part that you
are one-lining to, so that all of us have to scroll down through your long
law office signature and then reread the entire email that follows in order
to try and figure out what exactly your one-liner referred to.

'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' is a valid philosophy to
live by in Nova Roma, no matter what one's religious path may be.
Unfortunately 'I dish it out but I can't take it' seems to be a more popular
one.

Vale,
Diana

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis-elect 2756
Sacerdos Venus
http://www.gensmoravia.org
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] our own town
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:42:56 -0600

I bet our collective credit is not so bad we couldn't get our own town, hmm? Yo, check it out!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/851687.asp

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] our own town
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:58:51 -0500

Salve
That come to only 1618.18 U.S. Dollars a piece for the 1100 Nova Romans
Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] our own town

I bet our collective credit is not so bad we couldn't get our own town, hmm? Yo, check it out!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/851687.asp

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] our own town
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:59:12 -0600

woo hoo!

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From: Stephen Gallagher
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Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] our own town

Salve
That come to only 1618.18 U.S. Dollars a piece for the 1100 Nova Romans
Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] our own town

I bet our collective credit is not so bad we couldn't get our own town, hmm? Yo, check it out!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/851687.asp

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Wonders on the ML: was FYI Seven etc.
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:05:44 +0100

Salve Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,

>Lighten up, cupcake. Its all in good fun.
Now THAT is a funny one liner!

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] if you are interested, here is the address for a public website
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:04:17 -0600

if you are interested, here is the address for a public website
developed by the university of buffalo for the fbi to check computers.
it is pretty neat. after you download the program when you get an
e-mail you can actually read the last four e-mails of the person that
sent it to you has sent to other people. be nice with the information
you find.

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~kinho/youare.swf

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] FYI Seven Wonders of the Modern World
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:17:41 -0800

I just gotta say I laughed when I read this post. <g>

Vale,

Sulla
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From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
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Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] FYI Seven Wonders of the Modern World

Ave MOS:

"Discussing with you never ceases to amaze and amuse me!"

I try, brother.

"I am not "gonna cry". I just hate cynical sarcasm, that's all."

Okay. How do you like your lamb burger?:0)

"You know, I didn't call you an asshole"

Riiight.

"And besides, if you're such a tough guy you should be able to handle such comparisons."

I'm not a tough guy, Glen. I'm real sensitive. I cry when reading the "Apologia", when Socrates is killing himself. I also cryed during Forest Gump, when Bubba died right there by that river in Vietnam.
Bubba: Forest?
Forest:Yes, Bubba?
Bubba:I want to go home.

I am crying right now. I'm not joking.

"Sow sarcasm, harvest anger. It's pure logic."

Maybe your logic. Could be "Sow sarcasm, reap laughter, move on"

:-D

Vale,

GB Agricola

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----- Original Message -----
From: M. Octavius Solaris
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] FYI Seven Wonders of the Modern World

Salve Gai Basilicate!

Discussing with you never ceases to amaze and amuse me! Offtopic it is, but who cares ;o).
Are you gonna cry cause of the little girl who thought human emotions more wonderous than the Great pyramids? Maybe she missed he point of the exercise. Would you like a little lamb burger and some french cries?

MOS: I am not "gonna cry". I just hate cynical sarcasm, that's all.

I guess she left out the ability of humans to lash out in blind anger; for example, calling a fellow citizen an "asshole" over a made up story. Truly a wonderous thing. Just like rain drops on roof tops and whiskers on kittens.

MOS: You know, I didn't call you an asshole (according to R. Ashcroft you may be one, though) ! And besides, if you're such a tough guy you should be able to handle such comparisons. Sow sarcasm, harvest anger. It's pure logic. What did you expect? "Hear hear Argicola, your sarcasm was really necessary, to the point and constructive!". Poor devil! How dare I attack you like that? Come on man ;o).

Okay okay, this message isn't the epitome of constructiveness either. I was just clarifying my point.

Vale bene!
M. Octavius Solaris

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:19:11 -0600

Salve

I got this book. I've read all the others. They're pretty good, except for one thing. All the bad ass characters, like Sulla or Caesar, talk like a bunch of English momma's boys. An example:

"Mighty Caesar surveyed the devastation he had created. Neck deep in blood and gore of the defeated Alexandrians, he squealed "I'm so delighted !!" Caesar then began frantically clapping his hands before his face and giggling uncontrollably."

That's a direct quote, pretty much. See what I mean?

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book

Salvete Omnes,

For those who may be interested, the most recent (and last) "Masters
of Rome" novel by Colleen McCullough titled "The October Horse" has
been recently released in the US (and perhaps elsewhere???)

Here is a brief note from amazon.com:

>>From Publishers Weekly
Caesar may be the nominal protagonist of this last novel in a series
of six chronicling the demise of the Roman Republic, but the
presiding spirit is that of Octavian (later Augustus), Caesar's
successor and Rome's first emperor. McCullough's Octavian is as
complex and gifted as her Caesar, but far less moral, just or
merciful-a fitting ruler for a Rome grown too unwieldy for
republican government. McCullough's heady novel begins with Caesar
as dictator of Rome. Brilliant, ruthless, ascetic in his habits and
devoted to the welfare of Rome, he enacts a series of reforms while
consolidating his power and fathering a son with Cleopatra. The
Egyptian, here portrayed as spoiled and shortsighted but
passionately in love with Caesar, is just one in a panoply of richly
imagined characters: Cato, obdurate republican and traditionalist;
Mark Antony, a crass brute with a streak of animal cunning; decent
Brutus, batted between his mother, the poisonous Servilia, and
Porcia, his vengeful wife. Caesar is a bit too perfect in
McCullough's telling, and Antony too monstrous; the novel also
suffers from a sameness of voice throughout. But the skillfulness of
McCullough's portrait of Octavian will make readers wish more novels
were in the offing. Introduced as a guarded, talented youth, he is
transformed by Caesar's assassination into a merciless, retributive
man-or perhaps he simply shows his true colors. The book ends in a
dark blaze of vengeance with his pursuit and destruction of Caesar's
assassins.<<

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] oath as Dominus Factionis --Antiquo
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:45:41 EST

No, No NO!

What are you people taking an oath for? You are not magistrates, you are not
even accensii.
I think we are out of control when it comes to oaths. Do any of you know
what an oath means? It is not something you rattle off every time you get an
office, and you don't rattle it off when you feel like it. You take as you
become a magistrate of Nova Roma, and it establishes that you have certain
obligations to Nova Roma, while Nova Roma has obligations to you in return
for your service. It is a Patron/Client relationship.
An oath is a serious thing, and for breaking it, you could be expelled from
Nova Roma. For life. You can also be censured, and be issued a nota, if the
Censors feel that it is warranted.

The head of a gaming racing faction is not a magistrate. Nor has Nova Roma
any obligation to such a leader. If the leader wants to take a loyalty oath
to the Aediles, so they can fire his ass if he doesn't live up to his implied
obligation, that's fine. But it is not an oath to NR. Nor does it need to
be.

About the Edictum issued by my gensmate Caseo Fabius, it is unprecedented
that an Edictum that will last three days, is issued by a Curule magistrate.
Better that his successor issues it, when he takes office on the Kalends.
Much tidier that way. Otherwise the edictum expires on the Kalends and is
vacated.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] if you are interested, here is the address for a public website
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:46:37 -0600

Very FUNNY!:-)!!!!!!!!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:50:03 EST

In a message dated 12/28/02 5:27:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:

> "I'm so delighted !!"

Maybe he was. I don't like her later books. She loses her spark after her
third book.
As for giggling uncontrollably, maybe he was having a seizure.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:51:07 -0600

I'll bet he was. It just seems like an inaprriate response. Good one on the seizure.

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Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book

In a message dated 12/28/02 5:27:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:

> "I'm so delighted !!"

Maybe he was. I don't like her later books. She loses her spark after her
third book.
As for giggling uncontrollably, maybe he was having a seizure.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:54:55 -0800

OR as McCullough called it Hypoglacimia (sp). :)

Sulla
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book

I'll bet he was. It just seems like an inaprriate response. Good one on the seizure.

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest McCullough Book

In a message dated 12/28/02 5:27:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:

> "I'm so delighted !!"

Maybe he was. I don't like her later books. She loses her spark after her
third book.
As for giggling uncontrollably, maybe he was having a seizure.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Important questions: Form of government
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:07:23 +0000 (GMT)

A. Apollonius Cordus to "maximus33777" and all
citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> Govt type... What type of govt type will nova roma
> have once we have established land? Democracy or
> Republic? a mixture of both? will we do things the
> same as in the old rome? we need to start
> formulating opinions now atleast

Well, the idea is that the Constitution and the Laws
which currently govern our 'virtual' nation (see the
Tabularium on the website for the texts of these) will
become the laws of the land when there is land. Of
course, there are many adjustments that will need to
be made, but the outlines will remain the same. This
is one reason why I personally feel that we should be
careful not only to enlarge Nova Roma in the immediate
future, but also to *limit* its size in the
longer-term: I suspect we may find that the Roman
constitution is simply unable to cope with a
population much larger than a small city.

As for the interesting question about whether our
constitution is 'a democracy or a republic'. Well, of
course it's not a full democracy: the whole citizen
population is not fully empowered to legislate freely.
We are also not a 'representative democracy', as the
people we elect are not really representatives but
executive officers elected to do specific jobs. We are
in a sense more democratic than most modern 'liberal
democracies', in that the whole citizen population
votes on whether to pass laws.

On the other hand, in the election of our magistrates
we are perhaps somewhat less democratic, in that we
don't really have 'one man one vote': or rather, each
citizen does have a vote, but each vote is not of
equal weight, because we use a reconstructed version
of the elaborate and confusing Roman voting-system. I
think most citizens would agree that it would be nice
if we could do without this, but since it is a matter
of historical precedent we would need a very stong
argument to change the system. On the other hand, with
our voting-system as it is we might never be admitted
as a member of the U.N.! :)

I should also mention that our form of government
differs significantly from full democracy and from the
Roman Republic in that we have a Constitution which
can't be altered as easily as ordinary laws, and this
of course puts some limitation (though not an absolute
one) on the sovereignty of the People. Also, the
Senate occupies an important place in our government
which is not easily comparable to any other
institution I can think of in another country. I
suppose it is something like the House of Lords in the
U.K., though with somewhat more power in some
respects.

All in all, I'd say that since the People in their
various assemblies hold the ultimate power (subject to
the Constitution) to pass laws and to elect the
members of the executive, Nova Roma is as much a
'democracy' as almost any other nation in the modern
world. I expect other citizens will have their own
ideas...

I hope this is of some interest in answering your
question.

Cordus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman name?
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:03:30 -0000

Diana Moravia Aventina writes:

> With all due respect, perhaps everyone could add a signature to
> their emails with their full Roman name?

While I'm all for having good clear identification, I think
including the full name every time might be a bit too much.
Besides, I don't use a .sig file to post here.

-- Marinus

(who will identify himself more formally when acting
ex officio, but otherwise would as soon be known by
one easy to remember name)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: oath as Dominus Factionis --Antiquo
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:16:32 -0000

Quintus Fabius Maximus writes, in part:

> The head of a gaming racing faction is not a magistrate. Nor has
> Nova Roma any obligation to such a leader.

I must agree. Please, let's desist with the oaths for the domini
factionis.

> If the leader wants to take a loyalty oath to the Aediles, so they
> can fire his ass if he doesn't live up to his implied obligation,
> that's fine.

An interesting idea, Senator Fabius Maximus, but not one I think
we need. Franciscus Apulus Caesar and I are perfectly capable of
firing them without any such oath, should such ever be necessary.

> About the Edictum issued by my gensmate Caseo Fabius, it is
> unprecedented that an Edictum that will last three days,

Have no fear, we will be continuing Fabius Quintilianus' edicta
through next year.

--
ex officio
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile, and Curule Aedile elect

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:31:20 -0300

Salve Senator et quaestor Quinte Fabi Maxime

I know that a dominus factionis is an office not included in our constitution, so it cannot be considered neither a magistrate nor accensi. But on the other way the oath is clearly required by the edictum aedilicium XVIII, which by the way it is not the first edictum issued by the illustrus Senior aedile curule regarding domini factionum, requiring the oath. If you visit the Cohors aediles website you�ll find the previous one. It is curious for me that all this question have been raised only now. If this edictum is not compatible with the definitions given by our constitution, maybe the people of Nova Roma should debate where to include the office of dominus factionis. If it is included nowhere, then it is nothing.
So I took the oath bona fide in order to fullfill the requirements set by the edictum. I am absolutely sure that the other dominus factionis who already took the oath, he did it in good faith the same as me. We just obeyed an edictum, and we are not blame for this. But thanks to your warning be sure it won't happen again.
Before finishing my post, I wish to expres that I wrote my opinions respectfully without any intention to hurt anybody.

Respectfully
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis elect for 2756 a.u.c.
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:06:11 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:
> Salve Senator et quaestor Quinte Fabi Maxime
>
> I know that a dominus factionis is an office not included in our
>constitution, so it cannot be considered neither a magistrate nor
>accensi. But on the other way the oath is clearly required by the
>edictum aedilicium XVIII, which by the way it is not the first
>edictum issued by the illustrus Senior aedile curule regarding
>domini factionum, requiring the oath.

>If you visit the Cohors >aediles website you�ll find the previous
>one. It is curious for me >that all this question have been raised
>only now.

Interesting. Probably it was noticed because more people than usual
read the edict. Speaking for myself I have not read most of his
edicts as they either pertain to the games, or as Propraetor of
Thule, to his province. Thus they usually receive a cursory glance at
best. I, and it seems others as well, happened to read this edict
closely out of curiosity as to why it was being issued so close to
the end of his term of office.

As for the Magistrate's Oath, of course functionaries involved with
the games should not take it but accensi also should not take it, nor
should scribes as they are apparitores, clerks appointed by
magistrates. Does it cause harm for them to do so? Probably not but
it seems to water down the significance when an actual magistrate
takes the Oath.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:05:38 +0100

Salve Illustrus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus!

>I know that a dominus factionis is an office not included in our
>constitution, so it cannot be considered neither a magistrate nor
>accensi.

The Domini Factionum are not included in our Constitution, but on the
other hand they are offiocially appointed by the Senior Curule Aedile
in an official edictum according to his Constitutional rights to
appoint Scribae.

This kind of appointment is not historical as far as I know, but to
get the organisation of this office up and going it must be done this
way as I see it. By being officially appointed, these positions
become a kind of Aedilian Scriba. This is my argument for the
required oath.

Of course there are those who don't think that anybody that isn't
elected by the Populus, the Plebs or appointed by the Senate shall
take any oath, they are of course entitled to their opinion.

>But on the other way the oath is clearly required by the edictum
>aedilicium XVIII, which by the way it is not the first edictum
>issued by the illustrus Senior aedile curule regarding domini
>factionum, requiring the oath. If you visit the Cohors aediles
>website you�ll find the previous one. It is curious for me that all
>this question have been raised only now.

You are correct it was required for the first Domini Factionum too.

>If this edictum is not compatible with the definitions given by our
>constitution,

It is as far as I am concerned, but this next years Curule Aediles
are entitled to prolong any or none or even parts of my Edicta. I am
sure that this can be done in many ways. I assume that we need to see
Factiones who are much more active before the Curule Aediles may
leave this office "un-protected". ;-)

>maybe the people of Nova Roma should debate where to include the
>office of dominus factionis. If it is included nowhere, then it is
>nothing.

See above, my friend. I don't think that some citizens has the
monopoly of the interpretation of Nova Roman laws. ;-)

>So I took the oath bona fide in order to fullfill the requirements
>set by the edictum. I am absolutely sure that the other dominus
>factionis who already took the oath, he did it in good faith the
>same as me.

Yes and I honor You for it, I am sure that your Factio like that You
take your position seriously.

>We just obeyed an edictum, and we are not blame for this. But thanks
>to your warning be sure it won't happen again.

Well, I as far as I can see there are no rules written in stone about
oaths. We have had discussions about this subject before and I expect
them to continue as we all come from cultural backgrounds with
different interpretation of this question. I am among those who
usually require Scribae and Accensi to take the oath.

>Before finishing my post, I wish to expres that I wrote my opinions
>respectfully without any intention to hurt anybody.

The same kind of respect that I do have for You my friend, I am sure
no harm is done, even if some think that their interpretation always
is the correct one. In this case I think discussing is better then
debatting, but of course there could be other motives for these
questions than what meets the eye. ;-)

>Respectfully
>Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>Senator
>Tribunus Plebis elect for 2756 a.u.c.
>Dominus Factionis Veneta
>Propraetor provincialis Argentinae

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:08:00 EST

In a message dated 12/29/02 2:14:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
christer.edling@telia.com writes:

> I am sure no harm is done, even if some think that their interpretation
> always
> is the correct one

Our oaths become insignificant. And there in lies the harm.
I let you slide on the 15 minor offices, Fabius, because it was your
province, and as Provincial Praetor you have imperium. But we now enter into
the realm of the State itself, and oaths are for magistrates. We have lex to
that effect for a reason. I have already stated the reason for the oath, and
since the incoming Curule Aedile agrees, no more needs to be said.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman name?
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:05:30 +0000

Salve Moravia Aventina:

No, it is not a limited intelligence request, at all. It is a very
sensible request, and I'll clarify the way I use my name, specially that I
am frequently on the list.

I use my name in the Roman fashion or what's the use having a Roman name
in the first place.

I am a Galerius, and that's my name (nomen=name), Galerius Peregrinator.
My praenomen is Gaius, but I leave it out except in official contexts, in
which I'll abbreviate it or write it in full, since praenomen is not a name.

Vale

Galerius Peregrinator.

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman name?
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:37:52 +0100

Salvete maximus33777 grex37@aol.com & others,

With all due respect, perhaps everyone could add a signature to their emails
with their full Roman name? Maybe it is my limited intelligence :-) but
sometimes it is hard for me to figure out just who is writing what, and who
is replying to what and whom.

Valete,
Diana (new improved signature below :-)))

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis-elect 2756
Sacerdos Venus
http://www.gensmoravia.org
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Consular Proposals: My Final Comments too
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:48:08 -0500

On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 08:42:39PM +0100, Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:
> Salve Titus Octavius Pius,
>
> I think that we can agree to disagree on this one, especially since you are
> our next webmaster and can wreak havoc on me by adding a mustache to my
> photo in the Albium Gentium :-))
>
> > Please, credit where credit's due. My 4th grade teacher did a good job
> > of teaching me the basics, but since then I consider myself self-taught.
> Ahh, dear Pius, then you are just naturally brilliant <blatant sucking up> .
> In any case, self taught or learned in school, I think that no one could
> ever comment negatively on your use of English!

Psst, Diana -

I think I saw him misplace a comma, once...

<grin>

Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Amicus verus est rara avis.
A true friend is a rare bird.
-- N/A

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Multiple Citizenships & Voter Fraud
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:06:23 -0500

On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 11:44:57PM -0500, cassius622@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I have not had opportunity to comment on the 'voter fraud' issue before this.
> However, I must ask a basic question... exactly how do we know there IS voter
> fraud?
>
> From what I've seen, junior Consul Sulla has stated that he has proof that
> there are many people who have gained multiple Citizenships in attempt to
> gain undue voting powers. This has been mentioned many times as a real and
> immediate problem that must be dealt with right now, etc. etc.
>
> Perhaps it is. But, on the other hand, as a Senator I have not seen one
> specific piece of evidence that this situation actually exists, or how bad it
> might be.
>
> I confess I am reminded of the bluffs that Senator McCarthy used against
> 'communists' in the 50's here in the USA. Again and again he would stand up
> in the Senate and say: "I hold here in my hand a list of known Communists in
> such-and-such..." and this was his proof that there must be harsh laws
> dealing with the crisis.
>
> Finally, journalist Edward R. Murrow called Senator McCarthy's bluff. "Okay,
> Senator, show us that list. Right now. If the list is real, show us, and let
> us have a look."
>
> It turned out the paper was blank, and McCarthy had never had any lists of
> known Communists.

Salve, Marcus Cassius Julianus -

I hadn't thought to put an image to this particular debate, but if I
had, this would have been the exact one.

Thank you. This mirrors my take on it precisely.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat.
All of them wound, the last one kills.
-- In reference to the hours; old inscription found on clocks

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senator Sulla
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:11:52 -0500

On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 02:00:32PM -0000, pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Diana, I do believe that someone is impersonating me :)!!!!
>
> Can Nova Roma handle two Pompeias????
>
> Not two Pompeias.......no NOOOOOOOOO!!!! :)
>
> Tribuna, I do believe we have a problem!!! "Dangerous and
> Disruptive' comes to mind!
>
> What will we do?

Multiple Pompeias...

This is a *far* worse problem than multiple citizenships.

<grin> There oughta be a law.

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De gustibus non est disputandum.
That is a matter of taste.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality-On Cigars & Smoke-filled Rooms
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:48:13 -0500

On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 06:37:56PM -0500, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com wrote:
> If the Senate (or any other political, economic, or religiousn body of NR)
> needs a smoke-filled room and some cigars, please come down to my little
> place of business. The mead is cum gratis. Salve.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
> aka Patrick D. Owen, Prop.
> Market St.Smoke Shop
> Nashville, Tennessee

Reminds me of a sign I saw in a cigar shop in Santo Domingo (yes, this
one was in English; they also had Spanish, German, etc. versions):

"Smoking <strike>prohibited</strike> encouraged."

Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Dum inter homines sumus, colamus humanitatem.
As long as we are among humans, let us be humane.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality-On Cigars & Smoke-filled Rooms
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:11:19 -0600

Ave

You kknow, I hate to bring up old subjects. But I saw a deal on the History channel, so check this out: In Republican times,they'd post news where three roads met, or a tribuna. Hence the word tribune, and suggests that their main function is to let the rest of us know whats up with the Senate.

Its actually a burden to be right all the time.

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Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality-On Cigars & Smoke-filled Rooms

On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 06:37:56PM -0500, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com wrote:
> If the Senate (or any other political, economic, or religiousn body of NR)
> needs a smoke-filled room and some cigars, please come down to my little
> place of business. The mead is cum gratis. Salve.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
> aka Patrick D. Owen, Prop.
> Market St.Smoke Shop
> Nashville, Tennessee

Reminds me of a sign I saw in a cigar shop in Santo Domingo (yes, this
one was in English; they also had Spanish, German, etc. versions):

"Smoking <strike>prohibited</strike> encouraged."

Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Dum inter homines sumus, colamus humanitatem.
As long as we are among humans, let us be humane.
-- Seneca, "De ira"

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:24:33 -0500

Salve Nova Romans

If anybody has a poem or poems that are original, about Rome or Nova Roma and are clean, its a family paper, please sent to the Eagle I need one or two for the January issue.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( still hiding until the first)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:30:27 +0000 (GMT)

A. Apollonius Cordus to Ti. Galerius Paulinus and all
citizens and peregrines, greetings.

Paulinus wrote:
> If anybody has a poem or poems that are original,
> about Rome or Nova Roma and are clean, its a family
> paper, please sent to the Eagle I need one or two
> for the January issue.

Has M. Cassius Iulianus and Patricia Cassia's 'Roman
Republican' been published in the Eagle yet? If not,
it should be (with their permission, of course).

Cordus (no poet myself, I'm afraid)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:31:46 -0500

Salve
Not that I have seen
Tiberius

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:30 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle

A. Apollonius Cordus to Ti. Galerius Paulinus and all
citizens and peregrines, greetings.

Paulinus wrote:
> If anybody has a poem or poems that are original,
> about Rome or Nova Roma and are clean, its a family
> paper, please sent to the Eagle I need one or two
> for the January issue.

Has M. Cassius Iulianus and Patricia Cassia's 'Roman
Republican' been published in the Eagle yet? If not,
it should be (with their permission, of course).

Cordus (no poet myself, I'm afraid)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:32:31 -0600

Basilicata

Ho Basilicata!
Greatest family of Rome
Gold is our heart
as Golden as that of Rome

Members strong and pure
and straight
Inspiration God-sent
yet humble as really humble things

Persecuted
for our righteousness
Shunned
for our perfect Reason

May the light of Basilicata burn
like a Vestal bush
as a beacon
For those blinded by the Darkness

lest darkedness fall.

Salve Nova Romans

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Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( still hiding until the first)

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Roman name?
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:56:45 +0100

Salve Galerius Pereginator,

>I use my name in the Roman fashion or what's the use having a Roman name
>in the first place.
Yes, and it is always clear who you are! It is really pretty much only gets
confusing when it is an infrequent poster or if someone is using an
alternative email address.

It is when there is no clue in the email address and no name (like
maximus33777's email) that I can't figure out at all who it is. And I am a
bit 'picky' because I like to know who is writing :-)

Vale,
Diana

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis-elect 2756
Sacerdos Venus
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman name?
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:57:18 +0100

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis-elect 2756
Sacerdos Venus
http://www.gensmoravia.org
*******************************

Diana Aventina
Pagan Federation International
diana@be.paganfederation.org
http://www.be.paganfederation.org
Infolijn 0498 758352

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
[mailto:equitius_marinus@yahoo.com]
Verzonden: zondag 29 december 2002 4:04
Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman name?

Diana Moravia Aventina writes:

> With all due respect, perhaps everyone could add a signature to
> their emails with their full Roman name?

While I'm all for having good clear identification, I think
including the full name every time might be a bit too much.
Besides, I don't use a .sig file to post here.

-- Marinus

(who will identify himself more formally when acting
ex officio, but otherwise would as soon be known by
one easy to remember name)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Oath of Office as Quaestor
From:	"Cl. Salix Davianus" <salixdavianus@terra.es>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:03:22 +0100

Ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae
Populo atque Senatu agere.
Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David S�nchez
Molina), Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus
atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.
Ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), Romanam religionem
favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam
agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti
capiat.Praeterea ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina) IVRO
quam optime fungi officium muneris Quaestoris.
Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et
eorum voluntate et favore, munus Quaestoris ACCIPIO una cum iuribus,
privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, ante Kalendas Ianuarii 2756 ab Vrbe condita.

--------------------------
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David S�nchez
Molina), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina) further swear to fulfil
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best
of my abilities.
On my honour as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favour, do I accept the
position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, ante Kalendas Ianuarii 2756 ab Vrbe condita.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office as Quaestor
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:10:32 -0500

Salve Boy are you in trouble (GRIN)

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus (still hiding until the first but I will now have company)

----- Original Message -----
From: Cl. Salix Davianus
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:03 PM
To: NRHispania; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office as Quaestor

Ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae
Populo atque Senatu agere.
Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David S�nchez
Molina), Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus
atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.
Ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), Romanam religionem
favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam
agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti
capiat.Praeterea ego, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina) IVRO
quam optime fungi officium muneris Quaestoris.
Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et
eorum voluntate et favore, munus Quaestoris ACCIPIO una cum iuribus,
privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, ante Kalendas Ianuarii 2756 ab Vrbe condita.

--------------------------
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David S�nchez
Molina), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina), swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Claudius Salix Davianus (David Sanchez Molina) further swear to fulfil
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best
of my abilities.
On my honour as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favour, do I accept the
position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, ante Kalendas Ianuarii 2756 ab Vrbe condita.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:21:42 -0500

Is it true the original title of this was going to be "Ode to a cupcake"

Tiberius
( moving to a secret, secure location)

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:39 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle

Basilicata

Ho Basilicata!
Greatest family of Rome
Gold is our heart
as Golden as that of Rome

Members strong and pure
and straight
Inspiration God-sent
yet humble as really humble things

Persecuted
for our righteousness
Shunned
for our perfect Reason

May the light of Basilicata burn
like a Vestal bush
as a beacon
For those blinded by the Darkness

lest darkedness fall.

Salve Nova Romans

If anybody has a poem or poems that are original, about Rome or Nova Roma and are clean, its a family paper, please sent to the Eagle I need one or two for the January issue.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( still hiding until the first)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:26:34 -0600

No, brother, I didn't originally write it to you

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From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle

Is it true the original title of this was going to be "Ode to a cupcake"

Tiberius
( moving to a secret, secure location)

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:39 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle

Basilicata

Ho Basilicata!
Greatest family of Rome
Gold is our heart
as Golden as that of Rome

Members strong and pure
and straight
Inspiration God-sent
yet humble as really humble things

Persecuted
for our righteousness
Shunned
for our perfect Reason

May the light of Basilicata burn
like a Vestal bush
as a beacon
For those blinded by the Darkness

lest darkedness fall.

Salve Nova Romans

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Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( still hiding until the first)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:34:37 -0500

Oh so FUNNNNNNNY

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:34 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle

No, brother, I didn't originally write it to you

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle

Is it true the original title of this was going to be "Ode to a cupcake"

Tiberius
( moving to a secret, secure location)

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:39 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle

Basilicata

Ho Basilicata!
Greatest family of Rome
Gold is our heart
as Golden as that of Rome

Members strong and pure
and straight
Inspiration God-sent
yet humble as really humble things

Persecuted
for our righteousness
Shunned
for our perfect Reason

May the light of Basilicata burn
like a Vestal bush
as a beacon
For those blinded by the Darkness

lest darkedness fall.

Salve Nova Romans

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Vale

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Poems and the Eagle
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:37:15 +0100

Salvete gentlemen,

> Is it true the original title of this was going to be "Ode to a cupcake"
LOL!!

One more verse for Agricola's 'Basilicata'poem:

"We love Agricola
when he speaks
About his finely
musculatured physique" :-)))

<Diana tries to find Tiberius'secret, secure location)

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle
From:	"pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:00:22 -0000

---Salve Basilicatus:

Is this a rap song? If you like I can post it on a hiphop site I
occasion.

At any rate, I would 'keep' your law practise, ahh, yunno, just in
case you 'don't'(and I am in no way wishing you illwill here) make it
big in the notes industry....you know what I'm sayin?

Just trying to 'take care' of a fellow Roman. It's an ugly world out
there sometimes. Someone will have to protect you from Marshall
Mathers III, et al.

Po
(who loves the neologism 'darkedness'....cool!)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> Basilicata
>
> Ho Basilicata!
> Greatest family of Rome
> Gold is our heart
> as Golden as that of Rome
>
> Members strong and pure
> and straight
> Inspiration God-sent
> yet humble as really humble things
>
> Persecuted
> for our righteousness
> Shunned
> for our perfect Reason
>
> May the light of Basilicata burn
> like a Vestal bush
> as a beacon
> For those blinded by the Darkness
>
> lest darkedness fall.
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:36:00 -0300

Salve Senator et Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabi Quintiliane

|The Domini Factionum are not included in our |Constitution, but on the
|other hand they are offiocially appointed by the Senior |Curule Aedile
|in an official edictum according to his Constitutional rights |to
|appoint Scribae.
|
|This kind of appointment is not historical as far as I |know, but to
|get the organisation of this office up and going it must be |done this
|way as I see it. By being officially appointed, these |positions
|become a kind of Aedilian Scriba. This is my argument |for the
|required oath

LPO: Thank you for the above explanations.

|It is as far as I am concerned, but this next years Curule |Aediles
|are entitled to prolong any or none or even parts of my |Edicta. I am
|sure that this can be done in many ways. I assume that |we need to see
|Factiones who are much more active before the Curule |Aediles may
|leave this office "un-protected". ;-)

LPO : Factiones need much more activity indeed, particularly albata and Veneta, which need more players.
I'm sure the newly elected curule aedile will continue your excellent job.

|Yes and I honor You for it, I am sure that your Factio |like that You
|take your position seriously.

LPO : Thank you very much

|Well, I as far as I can see there are no rules written in |stone about
|oaths. We have had discussions about this subject before |and I expect
|them to continue as we all come from cultural |backgrounds with
|different interpretation of this question. I am among those |who
|usually require Scribae and Accensi to take the oath.

LPO : I agree. Maybe we need to explicitly specify which positions must be taken with an oath, which not, and in which cases should be optional. Just a suggestion.

|I am sure
|no harm is done, even if some think that their |interpretation always
|is the correct one.

LPO : I agree.

Habeas fortunam optimam mi amice

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis elect for 2756 a.u.c.
Dominus Factionis Veneta
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:37:28 -0300

Salve Senator et quaestor Q. Fabi Maxime

|--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, |qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
|I let you slide on the 15 minor offices, Fabius, because it |was your
|province, and as Provincial Praetor you have imperium.
|But we now
|enter into
|the realm of the State itself, and oaths are for |magistrates.

LPO: I must remind you Q. Fabi Maxime that according to our Constitution, point IV.A.4.a the Curules aediles hold Imperium. So he has Imperium at the State as well. If my interpretation is not wrong then he is empowered to require an oath to the domini foactionum.

|We
|have lex to
|that effect for a reason.

LPO: Would you tell me which one, please ?

Respectfully

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis elect for 2756 a.u.c.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office as Quaestor
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:44:18 EST

In a message dated 12/29/02 11:04:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
salixdavianus@terra.es writes:

> Claudius Salix Davianus,

Could you wait until the KAL. to do this....

Right now you are not in office, so this Oath is meaningless.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:05:21 EST

In a message dated 12/29/02 12:43:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
danielovi@ciudad.com.ar writes:

> I must remind you Q. Fabi Maxime that according to our Constitution, point
> IV.A.4.a the Curules aediles hold Imperium. So he has Imperium at the
> State as well. If my interpretation is not wrong then he is empowered to
> require an oath to the domini foactionum.
>

If he does, then he has overstepped his bounds as a Magistrate. He cannot
declare an obligation of a non existing position in the name of Nova Roma.
Besides, this falls more under the Byzantine Empire which we are not even
trying to approximate here.

The next question has to be, what exactly do you guys do? You oversee the
races? That's the Aedile's job. Your methodology makes no sense. I have
designed gaming systems for years now, and I never understood yours. When I
ran the races for the Ludi, I used a miniature game with actual players and
chariot models, then posted the account of the race. There was actually a
competition between the players. Since the citizens could not bet because we
cannot run a lotterly according the US government, the real point of the
chariot race was moot, and I stopped it. If I was going to redo this today,
I'd work on visual representation. We now have digital cameras and the
ability to stream video. That would be the starting point.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality-On Cigars & Smoke-filled Rooms
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:08:35 -0000

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
>
> ...In Republican times,they'd post news where three roads met,
> or a tribuna. Hence the word tribune,[...]

No, the word tribune means "tribal representative," having
to do with the original Roman tribes. (Called tribes because
there were three of them.)

-- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:24:07 -0000

Quintus Fabius Maximus writes:

> The next question has to be, what exactly do you guys do? You
> oversee the races? That's the Aedile's job.

First, Senator, I'll respectfully recommend that you tend to your
own rat killing, and let us tend to ours. The Constitutionally
enummerated duties of the Aediles say nothing about 'overseeing
races'. That we choose to have races as part of the Ludi is our
choice, and not yours to dictate. There's a lot more to the ludi
than the races, and there's a lot more to the Aedilean office than
managing ludi.

The specific implementation of the races will be managed by my
colleague Franciscus Apulus Caesar and me throughout next year.
The four factions will prepare and field teams, providing us in
advance with information about their teams, drivers, and tactics.

If you wish to recommend improvements to the method of conducting
the races, I will be pleased to accept them, and to discuss them
with Caesar as we plan next year's ludi.

--
ex officio
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile and Curule Aedile elect

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:54:08 -0600

Tell it like it is, horseman!

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis

Quintus Fabius Maximus writes:

> The next question has to be, what exactly do you guys do? You
> oversee the races? That's the Aedile's job.

First, Senator, I'll respectfully recommend that you tend to your
own rat killing, and let us tend to ours. The Constitutionally
enummerated duties of the Aediles say nothing about 'overseeing
races'. That we choose to have races as part of the Ludi is our
choice, and not yours to dictate. There's a lot more to the ludi
than the races, and there's a lot more to the Aedilean office than
managing ludi.

The specific implementation of the races will be managed by my
colleague Franciscus Apulus Caesar and me throughout next year.
The four factions will prepare and field teams, providing us in
advance with information about their teams, drivers, and tactics.

If you wish to recommend improvements to the method of conducting
the races, I will be pleased to accept them, and to discuss them
with Caesar as we plan next year's ludi.

--
ex officio
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile and Curule Aedile elect

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