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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:07:40 EST |
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In a message dated 12/29/02 2:25:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
equitius_marinus@yahoo.com writes:
> First, Senator, I'll respectfully recommend that you tend to your
> own rat killing, and let us tend to ours. The Constitutionally
> enummerated duties of the Aediles say nothing about 'overseeing
> races'.
I'd back off sea soldier if I was you. Historically the Aediles were in
charge of the Games.
If you read the our Constitution it says whenever the constitution is silent
on a subject, the historical precedent will apply, and unless that has been
changed without my knowledge,
it follows that in Nova Roma the charge of the games falls to the Aediles
since that is the old
Roman way. Since this is the case, it becomes the assignment of the Aediles
to gain sponsors for the games. Now unless the government is the sponsor,
the Aedile whose turn it is sponsors the games or finds a sponsor.
Traditionally in Nova Roma the Curule Aediles are the sponsors, which puts
the Curule Aediles in charge of the games.
Now since the race is part of the game, you become the overseer of the races.
Now that we have established legitimacy, again I ask, what does these ad hoc
appointments have to do with a magistracy that requires an oath? The answer?
None.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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[Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:00:27 +0100 |
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qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:
> Now since the race is part of the game, you become the
> overseer of the races.
> Now that we have established legitimacy, again I ask,
> what does these ad hoc appointments have to do with a
> magistracy that requires an oath? The answer? None.
Salve, Q. Fabi Maxime.
In a race which is part of a ludi, the Curule Aedile may indeed have the
authority to say what goes where. Other races? Good question. And just
'cause he has authority there, doesn't mean he can't delegate that
authority, but in fact precedent would make it that he can.
Now, regarding the oath for appointed positions. Having read a few of
the edicts in question, it seems to me that the appointing magistrates
have requested of their scribas to pledge their intention to fullfill
their duties in the same way elected magistrates are, by law, required
to do so.
Is it wrong of these magistrates to request this same display of
commitment by their "future employees"? Maybe, it might be a bit much to
expect the same degree of commitment from appointed officials as from
elected magistrates. But these citizens have been able to decline their
appointments by not taking the oath, yet none have chosen to do this.
However, these citizens, these appointed officials, willingly take an
oath to show the same commitment as elected magistrates. Through this,
they show how dedicated they are to both our republic, Nova Roma
herself, and to fulfilling duties which others might neglect without a
guilty conscience.
Should we condemn them for this dedication, and condemn the magistrates
asking them to display it, or should we commend them for it? Are they
lessening their dignitas, or are they investing it where it may grow
from their work for the republic? Think about it.
Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
P.S. Demagogery disclaimer: I'm tired. I often ramble a bit more than I
should when I'm tired. Sometimes I even use rethorics. Mea culpa. D.S.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:06:41 -0000 |
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In our last thrilling episode, Quintus Fabius Maximus and I were
exchanging pleasantries...
I'd written:
> > First, Senator, I'll respectfully recommend that you tend to your
> > own rat killing, and let us tend to ours. The Constitutionally
> > enummerated duties of the Aediles say nothing about 'overseeing
> > races'.
QFM:
> I'd back off sea soldier if I was you.
But you're not, and backing off is not a custom of Marines.
If you wish to advise me on the execution of my duties, I would
be pleased to accept you in my Aedilean staff.
> Historically the Aediles were in charge of the Games.
> If you read the our Constitution
I have Senator, more than once.
> it says whenever the constitution is silent
> on a subject, the historical precedent will apply, and unless that
> has been changed without my knowledge, it follows that in Nova Roma
> the charge of the games falls to the Aediles since that is the old
> Roman way.
Games could be put on by any citizen who cared to pay for them
Senator, as I'm sure you know. The Aedilean responsibility lies in
the maintenance of good order and public morality at the games.
The fact that the Aediles often paid for the games out of their
own funds is beside the point.
[...]
> Traditionally in Nova Roma the Curule Aediles are the sponsors,
True enough. That is the custom we seem to have established.
> Now since the race is part of the game, you become the overseer of
> the races.
If we choose to have races, that is.
> Now that we have established legitimacy, again I ask, what does
> these ad hoc appointments have to do with a magistracy that
> requires an oath?
Perhaps you missed my earlier post in which I agreed with you
that the domini factionis ought not to be swearing the magisterial
oath. However, my Curule Aedilean colleague Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus has a different opinion on the matter. He and I are
discussing the issue in private, and if he should have anything
further to say on the matter, I'm sure it will be forthcoming.
Whatever CFQ's ultimate decision on the matter, in a very few days
my colleague elect Franciscus Apulus Caesar and I will be deciding
which of the existing Aedilean edicta to continue, and if we wish to
let any portions of said edicta lapse with the changing of the year.
--
ex officio
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile, and Curule Aedile elect
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[Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:04:12 -0000 |
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Salve Senator L. Pompei,
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:
> LPO : I agree. Maybe we need to explicitly specify which positions
>must be taken with an oath, which not, and in which cases should be
>optional. Just a suggestion.
A quick definition is all magistrates elected by the people or
appointed by the Senate. The quickest way to find them is to go the
magistrates' page linked off the main Nova Roma page. There you will
find censors, consuls, praetors, Tribunes of the Plebs, Aediles,
quaestors, Curator Differum, Curator Araneum, rogators, interpreters.
All these should take the oath. On the provincial level the governors
and legates should take the oath as well.
If a magistrate feels some need for his assistants (accensi, scribes,
etc) to take an oath he is free I suppose to make one up for them,
but it shouldn't be the magistrate's oath. The purpose of the
magistrate's oath is primarily to protect the Religio Romana as the
state religion of Nova Roma and protect the Constitution; it helps
prevent magistrates from subverting them. It is a specific sacred
obligation placed on the oath taker on top of the obligations given
the magistrate by the People or the Senate. Apparitores are easy to
get out of office, they are personal assistants that serve at the
whim of their magistrate--who can release them at any time. A
magistracy is a more serious position that cannot be released at
whim.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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[Nova-Roma] Re: about Q.F. Maximus antiquo on the oath as dominus factionis |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:34:50 -0000 |
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Salve Consul-Elect,
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> The Domini Factionum are not included in our Constitution, but on
>the other hand they are offiocially appointed by the Senior Curule
>Aedile in an official edictum according to his Constitutional rights
>to appoint Scribae.
> This kind of appointment is not historical as far as I know, but to
> get the organisation of this office up and going it must be done
>this
> way as I see it. By being officially appointed, these positions
> become a kind of Aedilian Scriba. This is my argument for the
> required oath.
This is not a reason, it is a non sequitur. Scribae are apparitores,
not magistrates. No one, I would argue, can compel a scribe or an
accensus or the Domini Factionum to take a magistrate's oath since
they are not magistrates. The Constitution, Section IV.9.
states: "the apparitores shall not be considered magistrates."
> Of course there are those who don't think that anybody that isn't
> elected by the Populus, the Plebs or appointed by the Senate shall
> take any oath, they are of course entitled to their opinion.
> Well, I as far as I can see there are no rules written in stone
>about oaths. We have had discussions about this subject before and I
>expect them to continue as we all come from cultural backgrounds
>with different interpretation of this question. I am among those
>who usually require Scribae and Accensi to take the oath.
There are no rules written in stone but there are laws written in
bandwidth. ;-) Specifically, the Lex Iunia Iusiurando and the Lex
Cassia Iunia de Iusiurando. For the definition of apparitores, look
to the Constitution and the Lex Vedia Apparitoria. You may dismiss
those who disagree with you by saying they are merely "entitled to
their opinion," but I would please ask you to remember the same can
be said to you, especially when you are not careful about defending
your opinion, as on this occasion.
> The same kind of respect that I do have for You my friend, I am
>sure no harm is done, even if some think that their interpretation
>always is the correct one. In this case I think discussing is better
>then debatting, but of course there could be other motives for these
> questions than what meets the eye. ;-)
If you have another agenda, please don't be so so coy but instead
enlighten us. ;-) As for myself, I almost always speak up in defense
or explanation when the Oath is mentioned, since it is my baby so to
speak. I created it in an edict, promulgated it as law, and wrote the
amendment to that law last year. Nothing is perfect but it works
pretty well and its application and required use I believe to be
fairly straightforward.
Thank you for your time.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath on latin - Iuramenta |
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=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:33:10 -0300 (ART) |
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Salvete omnia,
Without entering on any complaining about oaths, this is just to remember that the Decuria of Interpreters (thanks a lot to C. Salix Davianus) has already translated the magistracy oath on LATIN!
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-1999-09-07.html.la
Ego, <praenomen nomen cognomen> (<macronational name>) hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae
Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego...............
Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque
Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi.
Ego......... Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae
Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae
religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego.......... IVRO quam
optime fungi officium muneris <magistrature (in genitve case)>.
Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et
eorum voluntate et favore, munus <magistrature (in genitve case)> ACCIPIO
una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus
comportat.
In [province] Provincia [date], anno [Roman year] A.V.C.
Sure the latin and mother language oath following the english one are optional, but it is very nice making a oath on the language of our gods as well.
Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Elected Senior Plebeian Aedile
(Make oaths, not war!)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Illustrus Decius Iunius Palladius and Illustrus Lucius Pompeius |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:29:02 +0100 |
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Salve Illustrus Decius Iunius Palladius!
First of all I want to tell You that I have no problems with
discussions that are constructive and friendly! You have always
behaved as a gentleman and You have my respect as a Roman. I also
freely admit that I may be wrong at times and I think it would be a
weakness for a Magistrate not to be able to listen to reason. Of
course You and I disagree at times, but that is no big problem, as
long as our discussions are constructive. I am sure that we also at
times will find ourselves fighting for the same cause. This said I
will comment shortly on your mail and the mail from Illustrus Lucius
Pompeius Octavianus..
>Salve Consul-Elect,
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
><christer.edling@t...> wrote:
>
>> The Domini Factionum are not included in our Constitution, but on
>>the other hand they are offiocially appointed by the Senior Curule
>>Aedile in an official edictum according to his Constitutional rights
>>to appoint Scribae.
>
>> This kind of appointment is not historical as far as I know, but to
>> get the organisation of this office up and going it must be done
>>this
>> way as I see it. By being officially appointed, these positions
>> become a kind of Aedilian Scriba. This is my argument for the
>> required oath.
>
>This is not a reason, it is a non sequitur. Scribae are apparitores,
>not magistrates. No one, I would argue, can compel a scribe or an
>accensus or the Domini Factionum to take a magistrate's oath since
>they are not magistrates. The Constitution, Section IV.9.
>states: "the apparitores shall not be considered magistrates."
I have understood that this is your "baby" and I admit that oaths are
not one of my areas of expertise. As You may remember there was a
debate about the oaths some time ago and we found out that there were
different approaches towards oaths according to which cultural
background each person had. I admit that I am one of those who have
no close relation to oaths. Still, in my own way, I take them very
seriously, and this is the reason that I ask my scribae to swear the
oath.
> > Of course there are those who don't think that anybody that isn't
>> elected by the Populus, the Plebs or appointed by the Senate shall
>> take any oath, they are of course entitled to their opinion.
>
>> Well, I as far as I can see there are no rules written in stone
>>about oaths. We have had discussions about this subject before and I
>>expect them to continue as we all come from cultural backgrounds
>>with different interpretation of this question. I am among those
>>who usually require Scribae and Accensi to take the oath.
>
>There are no rules written in stone but there are laws written in
>bandwidth. ;-) Specifically, the Lex Iunia Iusiurando and the Lex
>Cassia Iunia de Iusiurando. For the definition of apparitores, look
>to the Constitution and the Lex Vedia Apparitoria.
This is the way to discuss, thank You. I hear what You say and it
will result in a change of my opinion.
>You may dismiss
>those who disagree with you by saying they are merely "entitled to
>their opinion," but I would please ask you to remember the same can
>be said to you, especially when you are not careful about defending
>your opinion, as on this occasion.
This issue is not an big one to me, but when it is made clear to me
that there are citizens I respect for whom this issue is a very
important one, I think it is time for me to formulate a new
standpoint.
As Illustrus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus said:
At 17.36 -0300 02-12-29, Lucius Pompeius Octavianus wrote:
>LPO : I agree. Maybe we need to explicitly specify which positions
>must be taken with an oath, which not, and in which cases should be
>optional. Just a suggestion.
After listening to You and Illustrus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus I
have decided to provide the lower ranks of officials with an
alternate oath. Could I possibly ask You for a favour? I would like
to write an edict with an alternate oath for Scribae and Accensi, and
I would very much appreciate it if You would be so good as to write a
proposal and send it to me.
> > The same kind of respect that I do have for You my friend, I am
>>sure no harm is done, even if some think that their interpretation
>>always is the correct one. In this case I think discussing is better
>>then debatting, but of course there could be other motives for these
>> questions than what meets the eye. ;-)
>
>If you have another agenda, please don't be so so coy but instead
>enlighten us. ;-)
In this case I have no special agenda, so I am happy to listen to
good arguments.
>As for myself, I almost always speak up in defense
>or explanation when the Oath is mentioned, since it is my baby so to
>speak. I created it in an edict, promulgated it as law, and wrote the
>amendment to that law last year. Nothing is perfect but it works
>pretty well and its application and required use I believe to be
>fairly straightforward.
>
>Thank you for your time.
It should be I who thank You for your polite and constructive ways. I
am sure that we will have more chances to work together in the future.
>Vale,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
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************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces" |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:01:54 -0500 |
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Salve Nova Romans:
So far the Eagle Staff has received ONE yes ONE notice from any of the Nova Roma provinces to include in the January newsletter. This is 1 out of 26 provinces.
WE CAN DO BETTER, YES?
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differium-Elect
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Full Signature |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:06:14 -0500 (EST) |
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Diana Aventina;
During the early years of Nova Roma, I used to identify myself as Marcus
Audens. I assumed that such a signature was sufficient since I believe
I am the only Audens in NR to date.
For that "breach", I was very severely criticized, and my intelligence
called into question by one of the Senior Magitrates some time ago, for
not abbreviating my full name properly, even though I preferred the
above abbreviation. I would suppose from that exercise, one could draw
the conclusion that everyone has one or two small "sticking points" in
thier dealings with others, some important and some not so important.
However, the criticism hs actually been beneficial in that I have for so
long now stated my full name on the Main List and in those messages
where I felt a full name was necessary, that I no longer notice the
extra effort required. On those lists where I am assured of the
friendship of those to whom I am addressing, I use the name "Audens"
alone.
I find that such a solution seems to work well, and I have not recieved
any recent chastisement regarding my preference for how I name myself.
I certainly understand and agree that with the increasing number of NR
Citizens that using one's full name on the Main List is probably a very
good idea. I also have some problems in determing just who it is that
is posting, and in that case I have liitle choice except to ignore that
message and move on.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:16:22 -0500 (EST) |
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ProConsuls Palladius and Maximus;
ProConsul Palladius:
I am sorry that you read my message and suggestion as anything but what
is was meant to be. I thought that my message was just as polite and
softly spoken as it needed to be. I am not a very clever person, as you
well know from our past associations, so I believe that your comments
regarding hidden meanings in my messages may be somewhat overstated. My
suggestion was just that, a suggestion, and nothng more.
ProConsul Maximus;
As I have mentioned in other messages at other times, my determination
about the content of my messages is my own, and had I not believed "the
final paragraph" to have been necessary, I should not have written it.
You both have my apologies for the late reply, but I have been away from
the internet, enjoying the holidays with my family. I hope that this
follow-up message will serve to answer your concerns and question.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Illustrus Decius Iunius Palladius and Illustrus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus on the oath as dominus factionis |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:17:56 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salve Illustrus Decius Iunius Palladius!
Salve Consul Designate Q. Fabi Quintiliane,
> First of all I want to tell You that I have no problems with
> discussions that are constructive and friendly! You have always
> behaved as a gentleman and You have my respect as a Roman. I also
> freely admit that I may be wrong at times and I think it would be a
> weakness for a Magistrate not to be able to listen to reason. Of
> course You and I disagree at times, but that is no big problem, as
> long as our discussions are constructive. I am sure that we also at
> times will find ourselves fighting for the same cause. This said I
> will comment shortly on your mail and the mail from Illustrus
>Lucius Pompeius Octavianus..
Thank you for your kind words. I was trying to make my point politely
and firmly, yet sometimes that comes across as rude. I am glad it did
not. Thank you for reading it in the manner it was intended. This
medium makes misunderstanding possible.
I am sure there will be many times we will agree as well as disagree,
but be sure that what I say will be constructive and not obstructive.
Whether we agree and disagree on a particular issue, in the end we
are working for the same goal--Nova Roma.
> >There are no rules written in stone but there are laws written in
> >bandwidth. ;-) Specifically, the Lex Iunia Iusiurando and the Lex
> >Cassia Iunia de Iusiurando. For the definition of apparitores, look
> >to the Constitution and the Lex Vedia Apparitoria.
>
> This is the way to discuss, thank You. I hear what You say and it
> will result in a change of my opinion.
I am gratified then that my post was viewed constructively.
> >You may dismiss
> >those who disagree with you by saying they are merely "entitled to
> >their opinion," but I would please ask you to remember the same can
> >be said to you, especially when you are not careful about defending
> >your opinion, as on this occasion.
>
> This issue is not an big one to me, but when it is made clear to me
> that there are citizens I respect for whom this issue is a very
> important one, I think it is time for me to formulate a new
> standpoint.
Thank you for taking all points of view into consideration.
> As Illustrus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus said:
>
> At 17.36 -0300 02-12-29, Lucius Pompeius Octavianus wrote:
> >LPO : I agree. Maybe we need to explicitly specify which positions
> >must be taken with an oath, which not, and in which cases should
be
> >optional. Just a suggestion.
>
> After listening to You and Illustrus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus I
> have decided to provide the lower ranks of officials with an
> alternate oath. Could I possibly ask You for a favour? I would like
> to write an edict with an alternate oath for Scribae and Accensi,
>and I would very much appreciate it if You would be so good as to
>write a proposal and send it to me.
I would be pleased to do so and will get it to you as close to the
New Year as possible so that the scribae and accensi can take the
oath soon after taking their offices.
> >Thank you for your time.
>
> It should be I who thank You for your polite and constructive ways.
>I am sure that we will have more chances to work together in the
>future.
Thank you, I am sure you are right.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: All the fuss and furore |
| From: |
"Lilith <lillistcrow@earthlink.net>" <lillistcrow@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:13:36 -0000 |
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Dear Sirs and Ladies, Salve,
Isn't it wonderful that we can all discuss- and get quite pedantic-
about all these different points of order and Nova Roma law and still
all be in the same community, working for the same goals? Cicero
would have approved.
Pax,
Lilith
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[Nova-Roma] Bimonthly get togethers in Provincia Gallia!/Tweemaandelijks Samenkomst in Provincie Gallia !! |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:12:57 +0100 |
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(Nederlands volgt!)
Nova Roma Provincia Gallia in cooperation with Pagan Federatation Belgium
invite you to our :
Bimonthly PubMoots in Tongeren, Belgium!
When? Fourth Saturday of every odd numbered month so that's January 25th,
March 22, May 24, July 26, September 27 & Novemeber 22. Mark your calendars!
Organised by Diana Moravia Aventina
Meet the local Nova Roma citizens for a pleasant chat in a relaxed
atmosphere! Everyone is welcome!
Time: 14:00
If the weather is nice, and if anyone is interested, at around 15:30 we may
visit some of the local Roman acheological sites in Tongeren. So if you will
arrive after 15:30, please call Diana on 00 32 498 758352 so that we can
wait for you!
Price: Free! But you'll have to have a drink or two in the tavern!
Location: Cafe De Magistraat, Tongeren
For more information and directions mailto:diana@be.paganfederation.org
Or call Diana between 14:00 and 20:00 on GSM 00 32 498 758352
****************************
Nova Roma Provincie Gallia in samenwerking met Pagan Federatie Belgie nodigt
u uit naar onze:
Tweemaandelijks Samenkomst in Tongeren, Belgie !!
Wanneer? 4de zaterdag van iedere oneven maand, dus 25 januari, 22 maart, 24
mei, 26 juli, 27 september, & 22 november 2003
Ontmoet lokale inwoners van Nova Roma voor een gezellige babbel in een
ontspannen atmosfeer! Iedereen is welkom!
Georganiseerd door Diana Moravia Aventina
Uur: 14:00
Rond 15:30, als het weer het toelaat kunnen wij misshcien de Romeinse
archoelogical
sites bezoeken. Dus als je later dan 15:30 zal aankomen, gelieve Diana te
bellen
op 00 32 498 758352
Prijs: Gratis (maar je moet een paar consumpties in de taverne drinken !)
Plaats: Cafe De Magistraat, Tongeren
Voor meer informatie& wegbeschrijving: email
mailto:diana@be.paganfederation.org
Of bel Diana tussen 14u00 and 20u00 op GSM 00 32 498 758352
***********************************
groetjes!
Diana
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: All the fuss and furore |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:24:14 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lilith <lillistcrow@e...>"
<lillistcrow@e...> wrote:
> Dear Sirs and Ladies, Salve,
>
> Isn't it wonderful that we can all discuss- and get quite pedantic-
> about all these different points of order and Nova Roma law and
still
> all be in the same community, working for the same goals? Cicero
> would have approved.
Well, sure, isn't that the point? :-) We don't have legions to lead
or actual cities to administrate so we fight over nits and picks.
It's the like the saying about academia, the fights are so bitter
because the stakes are so small. Or put another way, we take
ourselves too seriously because we know no one else will! ;-)
("you're a senator in what?? Yeah, whatever.")
Discussions in Nova Roma quite regularly degenerate into acrimonious
scuffles, and people leave in a huff. Experience has shown that if
possible it is better to be overly cautious and polite in discussions
than otherwise.
Vale,
D. Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All the fuss and furore |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:55:17 EST |
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In a message dated 12/30/02 2:25:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bcatfd@together.net writes:
> We don't have legions to lead
>
LOL! Ah but I still do, albeit in miniature (25mm). I have an example of my
work posted on the SodalitasMilitarium site in files under V Alaudae.jpg
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] absentia |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:58:10 -0300 |
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Salvete omnes.
>From now I'll be off-line since I'll be with my relatives. I'll be back on the Kalendas Januarias evening to take my oath as tribunus plebis. I wish you all a very happy new year. Eventually I postpone any further discussions until that time.
Bene Valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis elect for 2756 a.u.c.
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: absentia |
| From: |
"Daniel <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:35:41 -0000 |
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Salvete iterum.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
>
. Eventually I postpone any further discussions until that time.
>
I mean I shall give my opinions and comments after then. Sorry for
expressing the wrong way.
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] absentia |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:36:08 -0500 |
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Salve and Happy New Year .
But before you go out , how about a provincial report for the Eagle PLEASE
Vale
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:32 PM
To: Nova Roma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] absentia
Salvete omnes.
>From now I'll be off-line since I'll be with my relatives. I'll be back on the Kalendas Januarias evening to take my oath as tribunus plebis. I wish you all a very happy new year. Eventually I postpone any further discussions until that time.
Bene Valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis elect for 2756 a.u.c.
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality-On Cigars & Smoke-filled Rooms |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:40:18 -0600 |
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No, it means three way road news guy.
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From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 4:08 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senate Confidentiality-On Cigars & Smoke-filled Rooms
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
>
> ...In Republican times,they'd post news where three roads met,
> or a tribuna. Hence the word tribune,[...]
No, the word tribune means "tribal representative," having
to do with the original Roman tribes. (Called tribes because
there were three of them.)
-- Marinus
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces" |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:42:04 -0600 |
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What about my poem?
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To: Nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:01 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
Salve Nova Romans:
So far the Eagle Staff has received ONE yes ONE notice from any of the Nova Roma provinces to include in the January newsletter. This is 1 out of 26 provinces.
WE CAN DO BETTER, YES?
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differium-Elect
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:44:39 -0600 |
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Well, thats one person's opinion. I think, one day, in some small way, my poetry will be recognized as the greatest works in the history of Mankind.
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From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle
---Salve Basilicatus:
Is this a rap song? If you like I can post it on a hiphop site I
occasion.
At any rate, I would 'keep' your law practise, ahh, yunno, just in
case you 'don't'(and I am in no way wishing you illwill here) make it
big in the notes industry....you know what I'm sayin?
Just trying to 'take care' of a fellow Roman. It's an ugly world out
there sometimes. Someone will have to protect you from Marshall
Mathers III, et al.
Po
(who loves the neologism 'darkedness'....cool!)
In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> Basilicata
>
> Ho Basilicata!
> Greatest family of Rome
> Gold is our heart
> as Golden as that of Rome
>
> Members strong and pure
> and straight
> Inspiration God-sent
> yet humble as really humble things
>
> Persecuted
> for our righteousness
> Shunned
> for our perfect Reason
>
> May the light of Basilicata burn
> like a Vestal bush
> as a beacon
> For those blinded by the Darkness
>
> lest darkedness fall.
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces" |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:51:57 -0500 |
|
Salve
Your poem has already been placed in the Poets Corner of the January Newsletter with the appropriate Editor's note.
Vale
Tiberius
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From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:48 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
What about my poem?
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To: Nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:01 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
Salve Nova Romans:
So far the Eagle Staff has received ONE yes ONE notice from any of the Nova Roma provinces to include in the January newsletter. This is 1 out of 26 provinces.
WE CAN DO BETTER, YES?
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differium-Elect
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:54:35 -0500 |
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Salve I AM PUBLISHING YOUR WORK !!!!!
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE NOTE SAYS
OR DO YOU?
TI
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From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:53 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle
Well, thats one person's opinion. I think, one day, in some small way, my poetry will be recognized as the greatest works in the history of Mankind.
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From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle
---Salve Basilicatus:
Is this a rap song? If you like I can post it on a hiphop site I
occasion.
At any rate, I would 'keep' your law practise, ahh, yunno, just in
case you 'don't'(and I am in no way wishing you illwill here) make it
big in the notes industry....you know what I'm sayin?
Just trying to 'take care' of a fellow Roman. It's an ugly world out
there sometimes. Someone will have to protect you from Marshall
Mathers III, et al.
Po
(who loves the neologism 'darkedness'....cool!)
In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> Basilicata
>
> Ho Basilicata!
> Greatest family of Rome
> Gold is our heart
> as Golden as that of Rome
>
> Members strong and pure
> and straight
> Inspiration God-sent
> yet humble as really humble things
>
> Persecuted
> for our righteousness
> Shunned
> for our perfect Reason
>
> May the light of Basilicata burn
> like a Vestal bush
> as a beacon
> For those blinded by the Darkness
>
> lest darkedness fall.
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:48:30 -0600 |
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Werd. This be not a rap song, sista. Are you down wid it? Dey poleecman done hits me in dey ass wid dey nightsticks, so I's down. Bof o dem.
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Poems and the Eagle
---Salve Basilicatus:
Is this a rap song? If you like I can post it on a hiphop site I
occasion.
At any rate, I would 'keep' your law practise, ahh, yunno, just in
case you 'don't'(and I am in no way wishing you illwill here) make it
big in the notes industry....you know what I'm sayin?
Just trying to 'take care' of a fellow Roman. It's an ugly world out
there sometimes. Someone will have to protect you from Marshall
Mathers III, et al.
Po
(who loves the neologism 'darkedness'....cool!)
In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> Basilicata
>
> Ho Basilicata!
> Greatest family of Rome
> Gold is our heart
> as Golden as that of Rome
>
> Members strong and pure
> and straight
> Inspiration God-sent
> yet humble as really humble things
>
> Persecuted
> for our righteousness
> Shunned
> for our perfect Reason
>
> May the light of Basilicata burn
> like a Vestal bush
> as a beacon
> For those blinded by the Darkness
>
> lest darkedness fall.
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces" |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:49:09 -0600 |
|
I'm published!!
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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
Salve
Your poem has already been placed in the Poets Corner of the January Newsletter with the appropriate Editor's note.
Vale
Tiberius
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From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:48 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
What about my poem?
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To: Nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:01 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
Salve Nova Romans:
So far the Eagle Staff has received ONE yes ONE notice from any of the Nova Roma provinces to include in the January newsletter. This is 1 out of 26 provinces.
WE CAN DO BETTER, YES?
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differium-Elect
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces" |
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"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
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Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:56:54 -0500 |
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Salve as of January 15 2756 a.u.c.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:56 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
I'm published!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
Salve
Your poem has already been placed in the Poets Corner of the January Newsletter with the appropriate Editor's note.
Vale
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:48 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
What about my poem?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:01 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Eagle " Letters from the Provinces"
Salve Nova Romans:
So far the Eagle Staff has received ONE yes ONE notice from any of the Nova Roma provinces to include in the January newsletter. This is 1 out of 26 provinces.
WE CAN DO BETTER, YES?
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differium-Elect
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