| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Birthday information , the Eagle and the Censors |
| From: |
"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 00:08:45 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> scripsit:
> Salvete,
> Personally I'm not worried if Nova Romans find out that my Birthday
is March 28th, but I can't speak for everyone.
Say! Mine's March 27. I have never worried about people knowing my
age, so I don't mind 'em knowing my birthday.
What a nice idea to recognise cives' birthdays in this manner!
---
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Birthday information , the Eagle and the Censors |
| From: |
aneaapollonia@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:30:48 EST |
|
Salve,
Wouldnt it be preferrable to keep the Birthday wishes in the Personal section
of The Eagle? Leaving it to the families and friends of those celebrating
their birthday the responsibility of extending their wishes. I would rather
it be a volluntary thing, I really loathe having personal information like
that distributed without my say, so I can only imagine how other people might
feel about the issue.
Vale,
I.A.A.Musa
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] birthday information |
| From: |
"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:18:22 +0000 |
|
Salvete omnes:
Back to what Senator Drusus brought up, the question of identity theft.
The magistrates, as you know, have to state their names when they do
oath of office, and now we'd post their birthdays. Professionals could have
a field day with that information. I think better we limit it to
birthmonths only. Identity theft is a real concern.
Galerius Peregrinator.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Any German speakers care to answer this? |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:18:53 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
The following was left in the chatroom today. If anyone fluent in
German would care to answer it...
The address is a hotmail address, Yahoo will cut that portio out of
the message below:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"If anyone can explain the real sense of this organisation and answer
some of my questions in GERMAN, please send a short mail to
versace81@hotmail.com - Thanks"
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Palladius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] birthday information |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:30:39 -0500 |
|
Salve
I sent am e-mail to the Censors asking for just a list of citizens born in a given month no days or year. We will see what that request brings. I do not belittle this concern but I am beginning to think that what should be easy (a birthday list) is the hardest to get done in NR . your next post came as I was typing this. yes the January issue is done except for a few things but that just means YOUR Feb article will be OUTSTANDING
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:24 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] birthday information
Salvete omnes:
Back to what Senator Drusus brought up, the question of identity theft.
The magistrates, as you know, have to state their names when they do
oath of office, and now we'd post their birthdays. Professionals could have
a field day with that information. I think better we limit it to
birthmonths only. Identity theft is a real concern.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] "It wasn't the end or even the beginning of the end it was the end of beginning" |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:35:22 -0500 |
|
Salve Nova Roman:
Well that time has come and gone . The end of the January issue of the Eagle is at hand ( a touch here a touch there. birthday list and few odds and ends. If you are working on something for the February Issue the deadline is Jan. 27 NO EXCEPTIONS ( but thanks for asking.) January goes to printer on T/W day If you did not do something for January you can write for the next issue. BIGGER & BETTER. if you build it they will come. We have eleven more issues keep sending you stuff. THANKS
As a final note it seems that I have been SPELLING my title incorrectly MY APOLOIGIES
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum et Quaestor
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Sicinius Drusus
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:03 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Birthday information , the Eagle and the Censors
Salvete,
Personally I'm not worried if Nova Romans find out
that my Birthday is March 28th, but I can't speak for
everyone. There are sites that use Date of Birth as
verifing information, and if a citizen has some sort
of account at one of these sites it could aid in
idenity theft. Some are more concerned about this than
others, so I think it would be better if you requested
that citizens who wish to have thier Birthday included
send the information to the Eagle themselves.
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:
> Salve
>
> We do not want to do ANYTHING illegal! But would
> anybody object, if the Censors gave the Eagle Staff
> a list of citizens names and Birth DAYS AND MONTHS
> but NOT YEARS we do not care how old you are. We
> just want to know when your birthday is for the
> Eagle.
>
>
> Vale
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> Fortunes Favet Fortibus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Appointment of Provincial Scribe. |
| From: |
"Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:18:44 -0000 |
|
Ex Officio Propraetoris Britanniae.
Edictum Propraetoricium concerning the provincial administration of Britannia.
I. Citizen Equestria Iunia Laeca is hereby appointed Scriba Propraetoris.
II. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given on January 5th, in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.
Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Thankyou Equestria! |
| From: |
"Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:21:55 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
I wish to thank Equestria Iunia Laeca who has ageed to assist me with establishing a provincial website for provincia Britannia.
Congratulations on your appointment as provincial scribe.
Valete
Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Any German speakers care to answer this? |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:31:46 +0100 |
|
Salve Palladius,
> The following was left in the chatroom today. If anyone fluent in
< German would care to answer it...
>"If anyone can explain the real sense of this organisation and answer
< some of my questions in GERMAN, please send a short mail to
< versace81@hotmail.com - Thanks"
Due to the hard work of our translators, the entire NR website is online and
in German. He should have just read the website. I'm sure that he would have
found all of the answers to his questions there.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath of office as Rogator |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:54:29 +0100 (CET) |
|
Aulus Hirtius Helveticus Quiritibus S.P.D.
After my safe return from my christmas holiday I am
now back online and able to start my duties as
Rogator.
****
I, Aulus Hirtius Helveticus (Michael Gisiger), do
hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova
Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Aulus Hirtius
Helveticus
(Michael Gisiger), swear to honor the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Aulus Hirtius Helveticus (Michael Gisiger),
swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the
State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.
I, Aulus Hirtius Helveticus (Michael Gisiger),
swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova
Roma.
I, Aulus Hirtius Helveticus (Michael Gisiger),
further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Rogator to the best
of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
of Rogator and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
In the province of Germania, Nonus Ianuarias MMDCCLVI
a.u.c. (January, 5th 2003)
****
Curate ut valeatis,
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Let's get organised guys.... |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:47:54 +0100 |
|
Salvete,
I've just found the following list on Yahoogroups, which recieved its last
message in December 2002 and so is still active:
ComitiaPlebisTributa · A list for the Plebians of Nova Roma moderated by the
Tribunes of the People
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ComitiaPlebisTributa/
Post message:ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com
I have just subscribed and now it needs to be approved by the moderator. But
shouldn't I be one of the moderators? I am after all the Senior Tribunis
Plebis.
On January 3rd, former Tribune Claudius Salix Davianus was kind enough to
inform me that there is a list that the Tribunes had been using to discuss
things amongst themselves: CollegiumTribunicium@yahoogroups.com .
I tried to subscribe to the list, but it bounced (being by invitation only).
Same comments as above.
Realizing that I am coming across as a Bit_ _ , can we maybe clean up our
administrative act? I am not clairvoyant and so did not know that we had the
above 2 lists. It would be much easier for the new magistrates to do their
jobs if we have all of the information that is available.
Being rather 'strong' with organising things, I am already in the process of
putting together a 'handbook' so that future Tribunes can get all of the
available information at once instead of getting bits and pieces in January
after their term has already began.
I am wondering if this administrative sloppiness is the same across the
board in Nova Roma.
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Let's get organised guys.... |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:01:17 -0500 |
|
Salve Diana
IT IS WORSE!!!!!!! the Eagle had nothing, except the institutional memory of three past editors. I was well into the January issue before I had EVEN seen an old issue. (Thanks to Senator Audens I aslo had a offerto see the others ) In the next month or two a web version of the Eagle will be up and running and the whole edifice will be turned over to my successor. BTW you article look great in the January Eagle thanks.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum et Quaestor
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 8:51 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Let's get organized guys....
Salvete,
I've just found the following list on Yahoogroups, which received its last
message in December 2002 and so is still active:
ComitiaPlebisTributa · A list for the Plebians of Nova Roma moderated by the
Tribunes of the People
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ComitiaPlebisTributa/
Post message:ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com
I have just subscribed and now it needs to be approved by the moderator. But
shouldn't I be one of the moderators? I am after all the Senior Tribunis
Plebis.
On January 3rd, former Tribune Claudius Salix Davianus was kind enough to
inform me that there is a list that the Tribunes had been using to discuss
things amongst themselves: CollegiumTribunicium@yahoogroups.com .
I tried to subscribe to the list, but it bounced (being by invitation only).
Same comments as above.
Realizing that I am coming across as a Bit_ _ , can we maybe clean up our
administrative act? I am not clairvoyant and so did not know that we had the
above 2 lists. It would be much easier for the new magistrates to do their
jobs if we have all of the information that is available.
Being rather 'strong' with organising things, I am already in the process of
putting together a 'handbook' so that future Tribunes can get all of the
available information at once instead of getting bits and pieces in January
after their term has already began.
I am wondering if this administrative sloppiness is the same across the
board in Nova Roma.
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Official email address for Tribunes |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:05:34 +0100 |
|
Salvete,
Anyone wishing to officially address Nova Roma's 3 Tribunes can do so by
emailing
Tribunes@yahoogroups.com
Please include that address in cc, when you are 'officially' addressing the
Tribunes via the main list or any other list.
This will enable us:
a) to see your email immediately rather than stumbling across it between
mainlist emails (which as everyone knows can be 75 per day).
b) to have your email as an official record for our archives.
The archives of the Tribunes list are not open to the public and this list
is closed (for Tribunes only).
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Let's get organised guys.... |
| From: |
AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:28:47 EST |
|
In a message dated 1/5/2003 8:49:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
diana@pandora.be writes:
> ComitiaPlebisTributa · A list for the Plebians of Nova Roma moderated by the
> Tribunes of the People
I just signed up. Waiting approval.
G. Modius Athanasius
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] To Lucius Pompeius Octavianus |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:28:08 +0100 |
|
Salve Pompeia Cornelia :
> We all 'hesitate' to deal with these matters (trust me, I know :)),
<but nonetheless the tribs have been petitioned, and the citizen
<issuing the petition is entitled to a duly lawful and official answer
<by the Tribunes. You have replied in a lawful, proper and objective
<manner. I commend you for formally answering Calvus as opposed to
<offering an unofficial and hypothetical opinion.
If you are referring to me, I'm sorry for my silence. I received a nasty
head injury on New Year's Eve and I am avoiding sending emails to the
mainlist unless I am feeling 100%. Yesterday I was a bit incoherent (or more
so than usual!). But Lucius Pompeius Octavianus and I discussed the
situation and then he posted his response to the mainlist. I didn't think an
official response from me was necessary, since his 'no' to an intercessio
pretty much closes the subject (our third Tribune being away on vacation).
Anyway, sorry again if I failed in my duties!
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunis Plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Let's get organised guys.... |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 06:43:03 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites,
Diana Moravia has bought up a long standing problem,
the mailing lists associated with Nova Roma are rather
chaotic. I Just did a search for "Nova Roma" on
yahoogroups and came up with 73 groups, one of them
for a RPG that isn't connected with Nova Roma. The
Search didn't return the "Back Alley" since Nova Roma
isn't mentioned in it's title or description, so there
may be more than 73 Nova Roma related groups on
yahoogroups.
Topica.com also has mail lists, so there may be some
Nova Roma related lists there, or on some other server
that I'm not aware of.
This situation is making it hard for citizens to keep
up with events in Nova Roma, and it's likely
increasing the volume of mail on this list by making
it hard for citizens to find a list that is better
suited for a posting.
Quirites, If you have started a Nova Roma related list
that has outlived it's usefulness please delete it so
others will be easier to find. I intend to check my
lists as soon as I finish this post.
We also need to have a page on the Nova Roma site that
has links to some of these lists, such as Provincial
mail lists.
--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I've just found the following list on Yahoogroups,
> which recieved its last
> message in December 2002 and so is still active:
> ComitiaPlebisTributa · A list for the Plebians of
> Nova Roma moderated by the
> Tribunes of the People
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ComitiaPlebisTributa/
> Post message:ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com
> I have just subscribed and now it needs to be
> approved by the moderator. But
> shouldn't I be one of the moderators? I am after all
> the Senior Tribunis
> Plebis.
>
> On January 3rd, former Tribune Claudius Salix
> Davianus was kind enough to
> inform me that there is a list that the Tribunes had
> been using to discuss
> things amongst themselves:
> CollegiumTribunicium@yahoogroups.com .
> I tried to subscribe to the list, but it bounced
> (being by invitation only).
> Same comments as above.
>
> Realizing that I am coming across as a Bit_ _ , can
> we maybe clean up our
> administrative act? I am not clairvoyant and so did
> not know that we had the
> above 2 lists. It would be much easier for the new
> magistrates to do their
> jobs if we have all of the information that is
> available.
>
> Being rather 'strong' with organising things, I am
> already in the process of
> putting together a 'handbook' so that future
> Tribunes can get all of the
> available information at once instead of getting
> bits and pieces in January
> after their term has already began.
>
> I am wondering if this administrative sloppiness is
> the same across the
> board in Nova Roma.
>
> Valete,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunis Plebis
>
>
>
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Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Birthday information , the Eagle and the Censors |
| From: |
"Barry Smith" <bsmith3121@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 09:55:05 -0500 |
|
I have no objections. Perhaps we can even develop a line of NR greeting
cards to include various NR holidays, birthdays, etc.
Caius Titinius Varus
Integrity is Paramount
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>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Birthday information , the Eagle and the Censors
>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:45:18 -0500
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] newsletter -- have editor yet? or backissues? |
| From: |
"morsepone7 <morsepone7@yahoo.com>" <morsepone7@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:51:45 -0000 |
|
dear Nova Roma, jan4, 2003:
I sent you a check in Summer 2002, and it was not yet
cashed, because of your lack of an editor as mentioned
on the website. do you have any back issues that I can
buy with that check? (MJ COSTA).
Thank you, pax.
Tiberias Calpurnians Rex
(MJ COSTA), morsepone7@yahoo.com
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re. Let's get organized guys... |
| From: |
cassius622@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:45:44 EST |
|
Salvete,
It seems to me that the difficulty with Nova Roma lists is not that there are
too many, but rather that there is no central listing of them on the NR
website.
Not all discussions can happen on the Main List these days. We've grown to
the point where there are many specialized topics of interest that would only
clutter and confuse general mainlist conversation. (The various Sodalitas
groups for instance, the NR Land Project, etc.) We often have citizens
complain, or even *quit* because of too much specialized conversation on the
main list... it really has benefited us to move some topics elsewhere for
those interested.
There is also an added benefit... the large number of NR lists gives us a
much more findable web presence. Each of those lists can be (or is already)
listed on the major search engines, so any of a wide variety of searches on
ancient topics leads one to Nova Roma. This seems to be some of the most
valuable free advertising we could possibly get.
A simple solution would be to organize the lists, rather than to delete lists
to the point where no organization is needed. All this would take would be a
page on the NR website, listing all the various online discussion groups,
direct links and clear instructions on how to subscribe.
I'm honestly sure what office might be in charge of such a project, but it
would be easy enough to post a call for URL submissions, and even to have
someone look for stray NR lists and contact them directly to see if they're
still active.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re. Let's get organized guys... |
| From: |
"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:14:46 +0000 |
|
----Original Message Follows----
From: cassius622@aol.com
Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re. Let's get organized guys...
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:45:44 EST
...Not all discussions can happen on the Main List these days. We've grown
to
the point where there are many specialized topics of interest that would
only
clutter and confuse general mainlist conversation. (The various Sodalitas
groups for instance, the NR Land Project, etc.) We often have citizens
complain, or even *quit* because of too much specialized conversation on the
main list... it really has benefited us to move some topics elsewhere for
those interested...
------------------------------------------------------------
Salvete:
I thought the reason people were quitting is the low level of discourse
that often gets going in the main list, and not because it becomes too
specialized. Speaking for myself, had I joined NR main list before I joined
NR I would have said goodby amigos and never joined NR. The specialized
conversations that happen often are good,
it is never above the average citizen's grasp, and without it wouldn't be
worth logging in.
I think there are too many websites, and that's why most of them (all of
them I dare say) are inactive.
Galerius Peregrinator.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points and the Roman work ethic |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:39:51 +0000 (GMT) |
|
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.
Senator & Consular Fabius Maximus wrote recently:
> Now if the rest of your tentmates will do the same,
> I'd have no objection to the Byzantine labyrinth
> Fabius created.
He was referring to Postumius Tubertus' disavowal of
any Century Points he gains for being Accensus.
If it would reassure the Senator and other citizens
who share his concerns, I should happily renounce my
claim to any additional Century Points resulting from
me service on the Senior Consul's staff. I didn't know
we would get them when I volunteered, and I shan't
miss them.
However, it seems to me that this is beginning to look
like the argument that only people who don't want
something should be given it. The Senator implies that
service to the state with no desire for reward is a
'Roman work ethic'. Well, he is a more eminent
historian than I, so I suspect that if he reflects for
a moment he will agree that in some respects it is
quite the opposite of the classical Roman work ethic.
It is certainly true that the Romans admired stories
like that of Cincinnatus, who was called from his
humble plough to defend the republic and then returned
again to his fields. But I'm sure the Senator will
agree that in the middle and late republic, and quite
possibly also in the early, Roman magistrates were
quite open and frank about their expectation that if,
for example, they won an important victory they should
be given a triumph. They even gave themselves rewards
by putting up statues of themselves to commemorate
their achievements. The system of clientship, too,
contains the implicit assumption that 'one good turn
deserves another'.
None of this is to say that the Romans thought that an
official who did no work ought to be rewarded, of
course, merely that a Roman who thought he had done
something worthy of reward would be quite unbashful
about saying so. Patriotism and the desire to serve
Rome were not considered incompatible with being
praised and rewarded for doing it.
So perhaps it would be appropriate to wait and see
whether, when elections are coming up and century
points can make an important difference, the Cohort
has earned its points or not. I've seen people in the
Cohort working hard enough that if they keep it up
they'll have earned their century points and their
titles before the year is half gone. But that's my
opinion: the proof is in the proverbial.
Cordus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Digest No 385 Thank you, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:45:12 -0500 |
|
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus SPD
I was truly humbled and honored when I finished reading such high praise
from someone who we all admire for his own virtues. Thank you, Palladius.
It has been an honor and privilege to have served Nova Roma. It has been a
pleasure to watch her grow and see so many new quirites take up the work.
I've been happy to see so many new, talented and professional people join us
and take up positions of leadership and responsibility.
Let us pray that our work continues to be favored by the Gods.
I would like to take this time to thank my colleagues Caius Flavius
Diocletianus, Marcus Octavius
Germanicus et Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix for bestowing the agnomen Augur
upon me.
Thanks guys, you're the best :-)
Mars nos protegas.
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 20
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 06:12:51 -0000
From: "deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Subject: Thank you, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Salvete,
The new year has passed and I discover I have made a glaring omission
in not marking a singular event. Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, the
most Roman of all Nova Romans, has quietly left the office of censor
with the swearing in of Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
In a quiet forthright manner, Lucius Equitius did great honor to this
office and to Nova Roma. He has more determination than anyone else
in our micronation, and rose to the office of censor after events
that would have made lesser men run for the door. While we have had
our differences, he will always have my admiration.
Characteristically, he quietly retired from public office at the end
of his term with just a brief message. Though he will still be active
as Augur, pontiff and Senator I don't think most Nova Romans realize
the loss to the Republic when his term ended, or the quality of the
service done on their behalf. Censor is the the most difficult job by
far in Nova Roma and is done away from the sight of the crowds. No
man has done greater honor to this position than he.
Gratias tibi ago, Luci Equiti Cincinnate. Ave!
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Comitia Curiata |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:45:38 -0500 |
|
I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur, Lictor Novae Romae and member of the Comitia Curiata, hereby witness and acknowledge the passing of Imperium to the Nova Roma Magistrates for the year MMDCCLVI ab urbe condita (2003)
May the Gods of Roma Antiqua watch over the Magistrates of Nova Roma, and grant them the guidance and wisdom to use their Imperium for the positive furtherance of Romanitas. May this sacred bond bring favor upon our Nation and our Citizens in this coming year.
Mars nos protegas, Valete
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] OBSERVE QUAESTOR ASSIGNMENT FOR MMDCCLVI - second time |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:44:13 +0100 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
This is the second time I send this, because I have just got _one_
answer, now I also send it to the different Magistrati personally.
EVERYBODY should contact me personally , I can't read minds. Observe
that if the Consuls don't get the possible existing agreements
between Aediles and Quaestores, we will according to the Constitution
just asign each Quaestor to an Aedile!
===============
Salvete Candidates for the Praetorship, elected Aediles and Quaestores!
The Consuls will soon assign Quaestores to this year's Aediles. This
is to be done by "mutual agreement" between all concerned according
to the Constitution.
The Consuls have already made an agreement with the following Quaestores:
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus with Sextus Appolonius Scipio as Consular Quaestor
Titus Labienus Fortunatus with Gnaeus Octavius Noricus as Consular Quaestor
This year we have two complications, both of the Praetores for this
year are still unknown and we need one more Quaestor to be elected.
The three candidates for the two positions as Praetores are Marcus
Arminius Maior, Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus and Gnaeus Salix
Astur. The Senior Consul will soon call for the election of the two
Praetores and one additional Quaestor (first asking for candidates).
Thus, we may not be able to make all of the Quaestor's assignments at
the same time; at least a few of them may be dependent on the outcome
of the 3rd-round Praetor's election. Nevertheless, where there is a
clear agreement between a Quaestor and an Aedile, we will attempt to
make that assignment.
This is a list of the five available Quaestores:
Decimus Iunius Silanus, Lucius Arminius Faustus, Claudius Salix
Davianus, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Manius Constantinus Serapio.
This is the list of the elected Aediles:
Curule Aedils: Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Plebeian Aedils; Lucius Arminius Faustus and Marcus Scribonius Curio
Britannicus
I hereby ask all newly-elected Quaestores and Aediles to review the
lists of elected magistrates, contacting those who you would like to
serve with, and then to contact me as the Consul holding the fasces
for this month to state your preference as soon as possible.
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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Vale
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Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
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http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re. Let's get organized guys... |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:57:16 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve,
I Was speaking of lists that are dead. I Deleated one
this morning that had 4 members and that hadn't had a
post other than some spam in 8 months. Lists like that
one only make it harder to find the active lists.
--- cassius622@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> It seems to me that the difficulty with Nova Roma
> lists is not that there are
> too many, but rather that there is no central
> listing of them on the NR
> website.
>
> Not all discussions can happen on the Main List
> these days. We've grown to
> the point where there are many specialized topics of
> interest that would only
> clutter and confuse general mainlist conversation.
> (The various Sodalitas
> groups for instance, the NR Land Project, etc.) We
> often have citizens
> complain, or even *quit* because of too much
> specialized conversation on the
> main list... it really has benefited us to move some
> topics elsewhere for
> those interested.
>
> There is also an added benefit... the large number
> of NR lists gives us a
> much more findable web presence. Each of those lists
> can be (or is already)
> listed on the major search engines, so any of a wide
> variety of searches on
> ancient topics leads one to Nova Roma. This seems to
> be some of the most
> valuable free advertising we could possibly get.
>
> A simple solution would be to organize the lists,
> rather than to delete lists
> to the point where no organization is needed. All
> this would take would be a
> page on the NR website, listing all the various
> online discussion groups,
> direct links and clear instructions on how to
> subscribe.
>
> I'm honestly sure what office might be in charge of
> such a project, but it
> would be easy enough to post a call for URL
> submissions, and even to have
> someone look for stray NR lists and contact them
> directly to see if they're
> still active.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] OBSERVE QUAESTOR ASSIGNMENT FOR MMDCCLVI - second time |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:58:49 -0800 |
|
Ave Consul,
You might want to give our new magistrates a couple more days. Its still the holiday season (until Monday) and people who might still be traveling.
I know that at Earthlink about 20% of our company's employees are still on their holiday leave.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 8:44 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] OBSERVE QUAESTOR ASSIGNMENT FOR MMDCCLVI - second time
Salvete Quirites!
This is the second time I send this, because I have just got _one_
answer, now I also send it to the different Magistrati personally.
EVERYBODY should contact me personally , I can't read minds. Observe
that if the Consuls don't get the possible existing agreements
between Aediles and Quaestores, we will according to the Constitution
just asign each Quaestor to an Aedile!
===============
Salvete Candidates for the Praetorship, elected Aediles and Quaestores!
The Consuls will soon assign Quaestores to this year's Aediles. This
is to be done by "mutual agreement" between all concerned according
to the Constitution.
The Consuls have already made an agreement with the following Quaestores:
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus with Sextus Appolonius Scipio as Consular Quaestor
Titus Labienus Fortunatus with Gnaeus Octavius Noricus as Consular Quaestor
This year we have two complications, both of the Praetores for this
year are still unknown and we need one more Quaestor to be elected.
The three candidates for the two positions as Praetores are Marcus
Arminius Maior, Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus and Gnaeus Salix
Astur. The Senior Consul will soon call for the election of the two
Praetores and one additional Quaestor (first asking for candidates).
Thus, we may not be able to make all of the Quaestor's assignments at
the same time; at least a few of them may be dependent on the outcome
of the 3rd-round Praetor's election. Nevertheless, where there is a
clear agreement between a Quaestor and an Aedile, we will attempt to
make that assignment.
This is a list of the five available Quaestores:
Decimus Iunius Silanus, Lucius Arminius Faustus, Claudius Salix
Davianus, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Manius Constantinus Serapio.
This is the list of the elected Aediles:
Curule Aedils: Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Plebeian Aedils; Lucius Arminius Faustus and Marcus Scribonius Curio
Britannicus
I hereby ask all newly-elected Quaestores and Aediles to review the
lists of elected magistrates, contacting those who you would like to
serve with, and then to contact me as the Consul holding the fasces
for this month to state your preference as soon as possible.
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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Vale
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Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Tribune LPO comments on the request of |intercessio |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:16:33 -0300 |
|
Salve rogator Q. Cassius Calvus
|Subject: Re: Tribune LPO comments on the request of |intercessio
|
|Salve Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
|
|
|I apologize for the major snippage of your ruling. Thank |you for
|taking the time to consider my petition and make a ruling |upon it. I
|do not take your denial of my petition personally and |harbor no ill
|will towards anyone no matter which side of this debate |they
|represented. I hope that you are indeed correct that the |possibility
|of macronational civil litigation would never come true.
|
|Vale,
|
|Q. Cassius Calvus
|Rogator
Thank you for understanding my reasoning. I am really happy that this matter ended peacefully :-) .
Vale bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Absentia |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:21:01 -0300 |
|
Salvete omnes.
Beginning on January 14th until the first days of February , I'll be away on vacation since it is Summer time here in the Southern Hemisphere. I'll be relaxing after a tough year.
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points and the Roman work ethic |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites,
I Shall start out by saying that I'm not making any
accusations about the intents of the Senior Consul.
>From the way he administered his Provincia I expected
a large number of apointments once he assumed office.
In his case it just seems to be his leadership style
and not any neferious intentions.
Why he made so many apointments dosen't change the
fact that a precedent has been set for a huge staff. A
Future Consul who's main intrest is building up a
power base could use this precedent to make a large
number of apointments solely for the purpose of
awarding Century points to members of his faction so
that his faction would have more power in the
Centuries. This could become a means by which a
faction could maintain it's grip on power.
Once we reach the stage where apointments are a means
of maintaining a faction in power it will be hard to
put an end to the system. Before we reach that stage
we should consider limits on the number of apointments
a magistrate can make that recieve Century Points. I
Don't think any of wants a "spoils system" where a
faction can use the power of apointment to insulate
itself from defeat at the polls.
--- "A. Apollonius Cordus" <cordus@strategikon.org>
wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> Senator & Consular Fabius Maximus wrote recently:
>
> > Now if the rest of your tentmates will do the
> same,
> > I'd have no objection to the Byzantine labyrinth
> > Fabius created.
>
> He was referring to Postumius Tubertus' disavowal of
> any Century Points he gains for being Accensus.
>
> If it would reassure the Senator and other citizens
> who share his concerns, I should happily renounce my
> claim to any additional Century Points resulting
> from
> me service on the Senior Consul's staff. I didn't
> know
> we would get them when I volunteered, and I shan't
> miss them.
>
> However, it seems to me that this is beginning to
> look
> like the argument that only people who don't want
> something should be given it. The Senator implies
> that
> service to the state with no desire for reward is a
> 'Roman work ethic'. Well, he is a more eminent
> historian than I, so I suspect that if he reflects
> for
> a moment he will agree that in some respects it is
> quite the opposite of the classical Roman work
> ethic.
> It is certainly true that the Romans admired stories
> like that of Cincinnatus, who was called from his
> humble plough to defend the republic and then
> returned
> again to his fields. But I'm sure the Senator will
> agree that in the middle and late republic, and
> quite
> possibly also in the early, Roman magistrates were
> quite open and frank about their expectation that
> if,
> for example, they won an important victory they
> should
> be given a triumph. They even gave themselves
> rewards
> by putting up statues of themselves to commemorate
> their achievements. The system of clientship, too,
> contains the implicit assumption that 'one good turn
> deserves another'.
>
> None of this is to say that the Romans thought that
> an
> official who did no work ought to be rewarded, of
> course, merely that a Roman who thought he had done
> something worthy of reward would be quite unbashful
> about saying so. Patriotism and the desire to serve
> Rome were not considered incompatible with being
> praised and rewarded for doing it.
>
> So perhaps it would be appropriate to wait and see
> whether, when elections are coming up and century
> points can make an important difference, the Cohort
> has earned its points or not. I've seen people in
> the
> Cohort working hard enough that if they keep it up
> they'll have earned their century points and their
> titles before the year is half gone. But that's my
> opinion: the proof is in the proverbial.
>
> Cordus
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] List Organization |
| From: |
"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:51:52 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes:
Referring to the organization of lists, and alluding to the remarks
of the Pontifex Maximus....
While I was Praetor I compiled a list of sodalitates and groups to
which each new subscriber receives, in an attempt to orientate
newcomers. I also put the URL to the website in same, hoping they
would navigate to respective provincia contact, etc.
Perhaps this greeting, and I believe it is still being used, could be
expanded to include the addresses of the magistrates to whom
questions could be directed, like the information on the website. The
editor of the Eagle could be included here.
I just found that alot of new people were subscribing thinking 'this
is all there is', the mainlist, here in NR. A few, it would seem,
didn't even know about the main website.
Just a suggestion
Po
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Quaestor Assignments for MMDCCLVI |
| From: |
"William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:53:06 -0000 |
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> This year we have two complications, both of the Praetores for this
> year are still unknown and we need one more Quaestor to be elected.
*****Sir, Once again, I shall gladly make myself available for the open
post, in the hope to serve Nova Roma. COnsidering I obtained 7
Centuries without actively campaigning, I hope to make the cut this
time around (If I am eligable to run, that is).
My reason to run is simple: I fully BELIEVE in the dream of making the
Republic real. Maybe not today, or tomorrow...but I believe we CAN
make it happen!
As I said in a letter to the Senior Consul when I made myself available
for service-> If he (or any other Magistrate for that matter) needs me to
do anything to assist, let me know, give me a goal, and I shall get this
done. It's not about a title, it's not about "what's in it for me", it's about
how can I SERVE the Republic...to make it a better place?
Please let me know If I amy stand. I do realize that if elected, I will
have to wait until my 6 months are up to take office, and I shall serve
until then.
I await ANY question, comments, concerns.
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: To Lucius Pompeius Octavianus |
| From: |
"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:56:45 -0000 |
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---
Salve:
Not to offend, but truthfully, L. Pompeius answered the petition
officially, and I think it was an example that should be pointed out
of how a legal petition should be answered, with legal rationale etc.
Unless one or all of you say it is ex officium, it really could just
be your personal opinion you are citing, and not a direct official
respondeo, with legal rationale, to the petitioner.
I am sorry about your health problems. I had a head injury on New
Year's Eve too......a magna 'head ache' from working one of the worst
nursing shifts in my career....uggh.
Po
In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@p...>
wrote:
> Salve Pompeia Cornelia :
>
> > We all 'hesitate' to deal with these matters (trust me, I
know :)),
> <but nonetheless the tribs have been petitioned, and the citizen
> <issuing the petition is entitled to a duly lawful and official
answer
> <by the Tribunes. You have replied in a lawful, proper and
objective
> <manner. I commend you for formally answering Calvus as opposed to
> <offering an unofficial and hypothetical opinion.
>
> If you are referring to me, I'm sorry for my silence. I received a
nasty
> head injury on New Year's Eve and I am avoiding sending emails to
the
> mainlist unless I am feeling 100%. Yesterday I was a bit incoherent
(or more
> so than usual!). But Lucius Pompeius Octavianus and I discussed the
> situation and then he posted his response to the mainlist. I didn't
think an
> official response from me was necessary, since his 'no' to an
intercessio
> pretty much closes the subject (our third Tribune being away on
vacation).
>
> Anyway, sorry again if I failed in my duties!
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunis Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Candidacy for Quaestorship |
| From: |
"William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 20:01:37 -0000 |
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I, Publius Tarquitius Rufus, make myself available as a candidate for
the open (8th) Quaestorship. I realize I would have to wait until my 6th
month to serve in office, and my term would end with everyone else's.
Publius Tarquitius Rufus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] My candidacy |
| From: |
"rabotnik@ <rabotnik@wp.pl>" <rabotnik@wp.pl> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 20:28:10 -0000 |
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Salvete!
I Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus propose my candidature for
office of Questor of Nova Roma
Valete!
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Formal refusal of Q. Cassius Calvus request |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:31:37 -0300 |
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Ex officio Tribuni Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
I. I do hereby take on civis Cornelia Pompelia Strabo 's request to formally answer Q. Cassius Calvus' petition.
II. Given the reasons I already informally posted at Nova Roma' s main mailing list:
II.a. I herein transcribe the above mentioned reasons posted :
"Regarding Q. Cassius Calvus' petition to exercisse intercessio Edictum Consulare CFQ II de Nominationibus in Cohorte Consulis CFQ (The Second Consular edict CFQ II on the appointments in the Cohors
Consulis CFQ), I must express that intercessio must be avoided as much as possible. It should be used only when no alternative is left. Otherwise it would lead to abuse of power.
In second place solid arguments should be given for a request of intercessio. In this case, instead, they seem to be just hypothetical.
Q. Cassius Calvus wrote : "... It is my duty to protect the Senate and People of Nova Roma from
potential litigation in macronational courts of law. Requiring
oaths and appointment of minors to positions of Apparitores as
defined in the Constitution of Nova Roma Article IV, section 9.
leaves Nova Roma vulnerable to potential litigation in macronational
courts of law... "
I consider a hypothetical argument like this one is not enough to exercise intercessio.Thus, I consider his request too excesive.
Besides, apparitores are asistants to magistrates. So these last ones are responsibles, not the first ones.Responsibility cannot be delegated. So I do not think that minors taking an oath as apparitores would ever arise any litigation.
I do not have a single piece of objective information to exercise intercessio. I cannot exercise it based only on hypothetical reasoning.
By the way, the text of oath for apparitores have nothing wrong, at least in my point of view. So I don't think Q.Cassius Calvus' arguments would ever become true.
Given the reasons above I cannot accept Q. Cassius Calvus' request"
II.b. By using my authority as Tribunus Plebis I do hereby formally refuse civis novaromanus Q. Cassius Calvus ' request to exercise intercessio against Edictum Consulare CFQ II de Nominationibus in Cohorte Consulis CFQ (The Second Consular edict CFQ II on the appointments in the Cohors Consulis CFQ)
Scribebam Bonariæ Non. Ian. MMDCCLVI A.V.C. in the year of the consulship of Senior Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Iunior Senior Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] In regards to the vesting of Imperium |
| From: |
Piparskeggr Ullarsson <piparskegg@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:38:57 -0800 (PST) |
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Avete Omnes,
Venator scripsit:
I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, Lictor Novae Romae and member of the Comitia
Curiata, hereby witness and acknowledge the passing of Imperium -- the power to
carry out elected duties and uphold the laws --to the duly elected Nova Roma
Magistrates for the year 2755 AUC. I acknowledge that this imperium will be
held both by elected and appointed magistrates in the coming year, both on the
National and Provincial level.
May the Gods and the Genius of Roma Antiqua (and the Holies of all our Cives)
watch over the Magistrates of Nova Roma, and grant them the guidance and wisdom
to use their Imperium for the positive furtherance of Romanitas. May one and
all of our magistrates be shining examples of every Good Virtue, Private and
Civic. May this sacred bond bring favor upon our Nation and our Citizens in
this coming year.
Benedictus et Bona Fortuna,
Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Paterfamilias, Cives et Lictor
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Candidacy for Quaestorship |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:40:51 +0100 |
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Salve Honorable Publius Tarquitius Rufus!
Here are the reguirements to become a Questor:
1. to be 21 years of age
2. to have been a citizen for 6 months.
Do You fullfil the first one? It has been known that candidates have
been allowed to stand for candidacy before their time. I will consult
with my colleague privately and then come back to You. Still if there
are one candidate or more that fullfil the requirements You may
expect that You will not be allowed to stand.
>I, Publius Tarquitius Rufus, make myself available as a candidate for
>the open (8th) Quaestorship. I realize I would have to wait until my 6th
>month to serve in office, and my term would end with everyone else's.
>
>Publius Tarquitius Rufus
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My candidacy |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:43:19 +0100 |
|
Salve Illustrus Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus!
You are welcome to candidate.
>Salvete!
>
>I Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus propose my candidature for
>office of Questor of Nova Roma
>
>Valete!
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Formal refusal of Q. Cassius Calvus request |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:12:40 -0000 |
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Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:
> Ex officio Tribuni Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> I. I do hereby take on civis Cornelia Pompelia Strabo 's request to
formally answer Q. Cassius Calvus' petition.
I do thank you again for making sure everything is tied up nice and
legal, leaving no doubt that an official ruling has been made.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Absentia |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:15:19 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
> Beginning on January 14th until the first days of February , I'll
be away on vacation since it is Summer time here in the Southern
Hemisphere. I'll be relaxing after a tough year.
Salve,
Rub it in, rub it in <GRIN>.
Vale
Q. Cassius Calvus (who's just got back inside from cleaning off the
car and the mess left by the latest winter storm to strike Nova
Britannia)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Investment of Imperium |
| From: |
"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:28:32 -0500 |
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Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus Salutem Plurimam Dictit,
I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus, Lictor Novae Romae and member of the
Comitia Curiata, hereby witness and acknowledge the passing of
Imperium--the power to carry out elected duties and uphold the laws--to
the duly elected Nova Roma magistrates for the year 2755 AUC. I
acknowledge that this Imperium will be held both by elected and
appointed magistrates in the coming year, both on the State and
Provincial level.
May the Gods and the spirit of Roma Antiqua watch over the Magistrates
of Nova Roma, and grant them the guidance and wisdom to use their
Imperium for the
positive furtherance of Romanitas. May this sacred bond bring favor upon
our Nation and our Citizens in this coming year.
As Minerva Templi Sacerdotes, I ask that the Lady of Wisdom grant Her
favor and guidance to our newly elected magistrates as they assume their
solemn duties to our great Res Publica.
Bene valete in pace Deorum,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Absentia |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:29:31 +0100 |
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"quintuscassiuscalvus " wrote:
>(who's just got back inside from cleaning off the
> car and the mess left by the latest winter storm
> to strike Nova Britannia)
Salve, Q. Cassi Calve.
Complain if and only if your temperature averages below -30 degrees.
(-21 Farenheit) There's a reason the Vikings were the scourge of
southern Europe, 'k? When winter was approaching, it was either that or
stay at home.
Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath of Office |
| From: |
"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:41:18 -0500 |
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Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus Salutem Plurimam Dictit,
I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian R. Gunn) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian R.
Gunn) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian R. Gunn) swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian R. Gunn) swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian R. Gunn) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor of Nova
Britannia to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Propaetor of Nova Britannia and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian R. Gunn) implore Minerva to look
propitiously upon my appointment, and grant me the wisdom to carry out
my duties to the Res Publica.
Bene valete in pace Deorum,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Let's get organized guys... |
| From: |
cassius622@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:47:18 EST |
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Galerius Peregrinator writes:
I thought the reason people were quitting is the low level of discourse
that often gets going in the main list, and not because it becomes too
specialized.
Cassius:
It's impossible to always please everyone at once of course. Yet I myself
don't believe that 'a low level of discourse' has been the major difficulty.
The most frequent complaints are 'too much politics", "too much arguing", and
"not enough cultural activities in NR as a whole". (Also, I think the issue
you refer to was about 'not enough *meaningful* content, as opposed to the
number of overall messages.)
> Speaking for myself, had I joined NR main list before I joined
NR I would have said goodby amigos and never joined NR. The specialized
conversations that happen often are good,
it is never above the average citizen's grasp, and without it wouldn't be
worth logging in.
Cassius:
The type of specialized conversation I was referring to was threads that go
on for days or even weeks, drowning out all other topics. The arguing over
Gens Structure in the latter part of last year was a good case in point. As
another example - should Citizens interested in Philosophy do *all* their
conversing on the main list, or should there be a list dedicated to
Philosophy so that not everyone has to wade through several philosophical
posts every day?
>I think there are too many websites, and that's why most of them (all of
them I dare say) are inactive.
Cassius:
I myself do not believe there are too many websites by any means, nor that
the lists are inactive. We have a good many Citizens that refuse to subscribe
to the main list but do participate on others.
And of course there are other benefits. Again, each list has it's own hompage
URL which can be linked to the major search engines, giving NR a great deal
of 'free advertising'. Not every search on Roman stuff turns up the one Nova
Roma main homepage, after all!
The various lists are simply part of our infrastructure. A main reason that a
bunch of folks left and founded the SVR was that they felt Nova Roma was 'all
politics and no cultural interest'. We DO have many cultural things
represented on the various NR lists now, giving us a wider scope of appeal.
The problem seems to be that we've never taken the time to provide the lists
as an organized resource. It really wouldn't be that hard to have the various
discussion lists linked on the NR homepage. This would make all lists
accessable to the Citizens all the time... and I dare say they'd be more
active for the increased availability to folks already in NR.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] A public thanks! |
| From: |
"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:51:52 -0500 |
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Salvete!
I would offer my public thanks to my Pater Familias, Senator Marcus
Minucius Audens, first for his excellent service as Proconsul of Nova
Britannia, and for allowing me the opportunity to serve as Propraetor of
Nova Britannia following his retirement. If I am able to do accomplish
half as much for Nova Britannia during my term of office, as Senator
Audens has done during his, I shall consider myself successful beyond
expectation. My chances of doing so are greatly improved by Senator
Audens decision to remain on as Legate of Connecticut, so good advice
and assistance will never be far off.
I would also like to thank the Senate for approving my nomination, and
shall do my best to live up to the honor you have bestowed upon me.
To the citizens of Nova Britannia, I promise to you that I shall do my
best to leave the Provincia a better place than I found it (no mean
trick) and I look forward to serving you in the coming year!
Bene valete in pace Deorum,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor of Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes
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