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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:13:47 -0000

---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:

The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.

If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
database from which they are getting this.

I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
information.

If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
they have a data base of some sort.

Bene valete,
Po

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
<danielovi@c...>" <danielovi@c...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
> Me too I received that spam.
> Valete bene
> L. Pompeius Octavianus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <equitius_marinus@y...>" <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> > I received an unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM) in my
> > yahoomail account today from Ancient Domains. Since the NovaRoma
> > mainlist is the only place in the entire net where I list this
> > e-mail address, I'm satisfied that someone is harvesting e-mail
> > addresses here.
> >
> > I know that Yahoo is a for-profit business, but I don't think
> > this sort of address harvesting falls under what's allowed
> > in their Terms of Service.
> >
> > Is there anything we can do to stop this?
> >
> > -- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM CONSULARE DE PRIMA INDICE CONTINUE MODERANDA
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:14:16 -0600

T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Quiritibus SPD

On behalf of my collega Caeso Fabius and myself, I issue the following
edictum:
_________

Consular Edict Regarding Continuous Main List Moderation

In the event that no praetor is elected during Nova Roma's yearly
elections for magistrates, the praetors of the preceding year, along
with any scribae they have appointed for the task, shall continue to act
as the moderators of the main list until a praetor is elected to take
their place.

Enacted on the 6th of January, in the year of the consulship of Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus
_________

EDICTUM CONSULARE DE PRIMA INDICE CONTINUE MODERANDA

Si comitia novoromana nullum annuis suffragiis praetorem eligant
praetores proximi anni cum scribis ad hoc designatis primae indici
moderabuntur quoad praetor novus eligatur in illorum locum succedendi gratia

Statutum viii Iduum Ianuariarum Caesone Fabio Quntiliano et Tito Labieno
Fortunato Consulibus
_________

Valete

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: SVR (judged etc)
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 02:02:24 +0100

Salve Postumius Tubertus,

<Ad Moraviam Aventinam: If I may, Ti. Apollonius has performed well in both
his roles here and <there. Why criticize others for doing well?

Hello! I never criticized anyone at all. You've copied and pasted that name
from Octavius Solaris' email not mine. Rule one: know what you are
commenting to before you start in with someone.

Some of your various remarks, while replying to Octavius Solaris' email:

<<<Diana if you say things, you have to prove them.
<Very much agreed, Solaris.

<<<<I can't believe you openly stab me in my back like this.
<And I can't believe it either.

<<<<What I read is just scandal-mongering without concrete names, clear-cut
cases or proven examples.
<Haven't we seen this before?

< Is this a showing of your own inadequacies?
<How much lower can this go?
<Would it make you happy to see my resignation from both, so that you could
pronounce me as a bad citizen? You can do that without my resignation,
because you'll never get it.

LOL! Between your inference to me being inadequate, your other comments and
the above 'threat' to me that you'll be here until you're old and gray (or
at least until your Mommy sends an email to the Censors to resign your
citizenship), you seem to be going out of your way to be antagonistic
towards me. I guess that you are sowing your wild Nova Roman oats at my
expense. Of course I do realize that you probably could not care less about
my email on the SVR, but are more annoyed because I don't think that anyone
under 18 should even BE in Nova Roma.

Vale,
Diana Moravia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:48:01 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia
<scriba_forum@h...>" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
>
> The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
>
> If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> database from which they are getting this.
>
> I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> information.
>
> If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> they have a data base of some sort.
>
> Bene valete,

I regret to correct illustra Pompeia Cornelia, but AncientDomains is
most definitely NOT the resurrection of AncientSites, which I was and
am now once again involved in resurrecting.

www.ancientworlds.net was founded by one of the co-creators of the
online mystery game SPQR and AncientSites, and we do not resort to e-
mailings of this type. The founder purchased the database and
graphics from the defunct CyberSites, and we have mailed to that list
only.

There have been several sites created devoted to ancient history in
the past two years, but only AncientWorlds has any direct connection
with the founders' vision which created AncientSites.

Gratias for the opportunity to clarify,

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Scriba Censoris, MMDCCLVI
Accensa Senior Tertia, Cohors Consularis, MMDCCLVI
America Boreoccidentalis
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Factio Praesina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nobody Loves a Centurion (g)
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:02:01 -0800 (PST)

Being uninvolved in the debate over SVR, I thought I'd
provide a dash of humor into the bubbling brew.

My husband Mark is reading a Roman mystery novel set
during the time of Julius Caesar when he was
Proconsul. The victim of the murder is a centurion
who is vasstly disliked, and the detective-type person
is a young patrician man in Caesar's employ. I had to
giggle at the following paraphrased exchange that Mark
read to me:

Det.: "Centurion so and so is dead? Wow! I'll
gladly give money for his funeral, but we'll have a
hard time finding professional mourners, way out
here."

Caesar: "Be serious. This is bad for morale."

Det.: "With respect, sir, I think this will do
WONDERS for morale..."

(snicker) I think I must read this book.

---
Renata Corva

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http://www.theranweyr.org

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Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nova Britannia Chat Room in Progress!
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:05:23 -0500

Salvete!

The weekly Nova Britannia chat is currently in progress (9:00-10:00 pm
EST) at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaBritannia/chat

All are welcome!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:37:28 -0000

Salve mi optima amica Po
I was a member of Ancientsites and now it resurrected as
Ancientworlds, not Ancient Domains. I am a member of Ancientworlds
because as I stated above I belonged to Ancientsites. Anyway the
email address I use at Ancientsites/Ancientworlds have nothing to do
with the email address where I received the spam.
So I think it is not related to Ancientsites (I suppose).
Besides, the staff of Ancientsites/Ancientworlds always send me an
official email whenever thay have an update or news to communicate.
I hope somebody could discover who sent that spam!

Habeas fortunam optimam
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia
<scriba_forum@h...>" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
>
> The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
>
> If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> database from which they are getting this.
>
> I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> information.
>
> If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> they have a data base of some sort.
>
> Bene valete,
> Po
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> <danielovi@c...>" <danielovi@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes.
> > Me too I received that spam.
> > Valete bene
> > L. Pompeius Octavianus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> > <equitius_marinus@y...>" <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> > > I received an unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM) in my
> > > yahoomail account today from Ancient Domains. Since the
NovaRoma
> > > mainlist is the only place in the entire net where I list this
> > > e-mail address, I'm satisfied that someone is harvesting e-mail
> > > addresses here.
> > >
> > > I know that Yahoo is a for-profit business, but I don't think
> > > this sort of address harvesting falls under what's allowed
> > > in their Terms of Service.
> > >
> > > Is there anything we can do to stop this?
> > >
> > > -- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] State of the Union
From:	"Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis" <pitrinius@mitdasein.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:37:42 +0100

ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI

PITRINIUS CUIQUE SALUTEM

What controversy mongering is this -- what rabid foaming of the mouth?

Have we then deprived Rome of pomp, only to neglect her inward dignitas?

Salve atque vale.

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR
From:	"Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis" <pitrinius@mitdasein.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:37:42 +0100

ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI

SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM

I'm asking for clarification on what appeared to be a belittlement of
the humanistic enterprise; as though politicians could ply their trade
without civilization.

Salve atque vale.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 19:44
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get
> organized guys...)
>
>
> Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,
>
> Sir, I do not know who you are. And, have never spoken to
> you. So, my response to you are at liberty to take whatever
> opinion you wish. I stand by my statement.
>
> If you would like to chat with me to get to know me I am
> available on AIM, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, and MSN Messenger.
> You can get my contact information from the IM database.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's
> get organized guys...)
>
>
> ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
>
> SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
>
>
> > Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> > attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> > individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.
>
> Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in
> favour of a
> blunt, uncouth politicastry?
>
> Vince igitur et vale.
>
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:43:11 -0000

Salve Julilla Sempronia Magna
I fully agree with you since as a member of Ancientworlds I receive
their emails using another email address, as I posted to mi amica Po.

Vale bene

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna
<curatrix@v...>" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia
> <scriba_forum@h...>" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
> >
> > The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
> >
> > If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> > resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely
the
> > database from which they are getting this.
> >
> > I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> > information.
> >
> > If this isn't the case and you have received a letter,
well....hmm,
> > they have a data base of some sort.
> >
> > Bene valete,
>
> I regret to correct illustra Pompeia Cornelia, but AncientDomains
is
> most definitely NOT the resurrection of AncientSites, which I was
and
> am now once again involved in resurrecting.
>
> www.ancientworlds.net was founded by one of the co-creators of the
> online mystery game SPQR and AncientSites, and we do not resort to
e-
> mailings of this type. The founder purchased the database and
> graphics from the defunct CyberSites, and we have mailed to that
list
> only.
>
> There have been several sites created devoted to ancient history in
> the past two years, but only AncientWorlds has any direct
connection
> with the founders' vision which created AncientSites.
>
> Gratias for the opportunity to clarify,
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Scriba Censoris, MMDCCLVI
> Accensa Senior Tertia, Cohors Consularis, MMDCCLVI
> America Boreoccidentalis
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Factio Praesina
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nobody Loves a Centurion (g)
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:33:10 -0600

Its a great book. Much better than Saylors' stuff. Not that Saylors stuff isn't good.

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chantal G. Whittington
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nobody Loves a Centurion (g)

Being uninvolved in the debate over SVR, I thought I'd
provide a dash of humor into the bubbling brew.

My husband Mark is reading a Roman mystery novel set
during the time of Julius Caesar when he was
Proconsul. The victim of the murder is a centurion
who is vasstly disliked, and the detective-type person
is a young patrician man in Caesar's employ. I had to
giggle at the following paraphrased exchange that Mark
read to me:

Det.: "Centurion so and so is dead? Wow! I'll
gladly give money for his funeral, but we'll have a
hard time finding professional mourners, way out
here."

Caesar: "Be serious. This is bad for morale."

Det.: "With respect, sir, I think this will do
WONDERS for morale..."

(snicker) I think I must read this book.

---
Renata Corva

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http://www.theranweyr.org

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:37:54 -0600

What?

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of
the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to
deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is
strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact
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message to the sender. Thank you.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:42:18 -0500

Read all about it in the January EAGLE coming to a home near you!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of
the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to
deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is
strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact
information in the "reply to" field above and return the original
message to the sender. Thank you.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:56:04 -0500

Salve You should join Roman history books@ yahoogroups I think that what it is called.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Novaroma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?

Salvete,

Has anyone in NR ever suggested creating a book discussion list along
the lines of a reading club? The members could take turns selecting a
Classical themed book (Roman or Greek literature, historical/scholarly
text, or historical fiction), set up a schedule (so many chapters or
pages a week) to keep everyone more or less in synch, and then discuss
the past weeks reading on the list. It seems to me that it would be an
excellent social and learning experience. Also, if individuals purchased
their books from Amazon.com (through Nova Roma's referral system) on
occasion, it would even help generate some revenue for the treasury.

Would anyone else be interested in doing something like this? Or is
anyone already doing it, and I've just missed the boat?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:53:54 -0600

You question my status as advocate, fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life?

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

Read all about it in the January EAGLE coming to a home near you!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?

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417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
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----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
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> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:57:36 -0500

salve the ROMAN WAY!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:57 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

You question my status as advocate, fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life?

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

Read all about it in the January EAGLE coming to a home near you!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
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> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of
the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:01:23 -0600

I'm not sure what I fight for in Nova Roma, or what my professional status is, if any. I liken myself to the 5th Century Roman nobleman, Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus. Cincinnatus was the world's first strategic consultant. In 458 B.C. Rome was in deep trouble. An enemy army was at its gate -- an enemy who had new weapons and new offensive tactics. Cincinnatus, who had retired to a small farm, was called in by the Senate to command Rome's army. Cincinnatus left his farm, led Rome's army to victory -- then returned to his plow.

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

salve the ROMAN WAY!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:57 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

You question my status as advocate, fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life?

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

Read all about it in the January EAGLE coming to a home near you!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of
the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Check out this freak's page
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:07:58 -0600

http://www.cyberspace.org/~omni/roman.htm

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum second try at spelling name RIGHT
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:19:21 -0500

EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum

E Domo Curatoris Differum
CAIUS MINIUS BELLATOR AND POMPEIUS MINIUS AQUILA PALLADIUS
are hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective today the
7th of Ianuarius MMDCCLVI auc 7 January 2003.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:49:09 -0800

Avete Omnes,

Yes, Gaius Cassius Nerva and myself both have tried to start similar projects. Nothing much came of it. I am still interested.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
To: Novaroma
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?

Salvete,

Has anyone in NR ever suggested creating a book discussion list along
the lines of a reading club? The members could take turns selecting a
Classical themed book (Roman or Greek literature, historical/scholarly
text, or historical fiction), set up a schedule (so many chapters or
pages a week) to keep everyone more or less in synch, and then discuss
the past weeks reading on the list. It seems to me that it would be an
excellent social and learning experience. Also, if individuals purchased
their books from Amazon.com (through Nova Roma's referral system) on
occasion, it would even help generate some revenue for the treasury.

Would anyone else be interested in doing something like this? Or is
anyone already doing it, and I've just missed the boat?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:53:30 -0800

I am on that list too.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?

Salve You should join Roman history books@ yahoogroups I think that what it is called.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Novaroma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?

Salvete,

Has anyone in NR ever suggested creating a book discussion list along
the lines of a reading club? The members could take turns selecting a
Classical themed book (Roman or Greek literature, historical/scholarly
text, or historical fiction), set up a schedule (so many chapters or
pages a week) to keep everyone more or less in synch, and then discuss
the past weeks reading on the list. It seems to me that it would be an
excellent social and learning experience. Also, if individuals purchased
their books from Amazon.com (through Nova Roma's referral system) on
occasion, it would even help generate some revenue for the treasury.

Would anyone else be interested in doing something like this? Or is
anyone already doing it, and I've just missed the boat?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:01:11 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes,

There are several ways that a Spammer could get
address of people on this list. They could have simply
subscribed to it and got the addresses from the
headers of the e-mail recived through the list. So far
the people who have mentioned getting spammed are all
regular posters to this list. (yes I got one too)

There is no need to direct accusations at some group
or indiviual without some kind of proof that they are
responsible.

=====
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Roman Citizen

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:58:37 -0800

Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,

Let me say this I am all for humanistic enterprise. But I do not see the reason to establish a separate and competing organization for the purpose of humanistic enterprise when Nova Roma has venues for such endeavors. Unless other motivations were at work.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR

ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI

SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM

I'm asking for clarification on what appeared to be a belittlement of
the humanistic enterprise; as though politicians could ply their trade
without civilization.

Salve atque vale.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 19:44
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get
> organized guys...)
>
>
> Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,
>
> Sir, I do not know who you are. And, have never spoken to
> you. So, my response to you are at liberty to take whatever
> opinion you wish. I stand by my statement.
>
> If you would like to chat with me to get to know me I am
> available on AIM, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, and MSN Messenger.
> You can get my contact information from the IM database.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's
> get organized guys...)
>
>
> ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
>
> SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
>
>
> > Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> > attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> > individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.
>
> Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in
> favour of a
> blunt, uncouth politicastry?
>
> Vince igitur et vale.
>
>
>


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum second try at spelling name RIGHT
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:04:57 -0600

Somebody enter this dream home giveaway for Novaa

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum second try at spelling name RIGHT

EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum

E Domo Curatoris Differum
CAIUS MINIUS BELLATOR AND POMPEIUS MINIUS AQUILA PALLADIUS
are hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective today the
7th of Ianuarius MMDCCLVI auc 7 January 2003.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:32:33 -0500

Salve Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,

You could do worse than model your self after Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus. I have always loved his story and I feel Rome's decline started the moment he became the exception and not the rule of civic behavior. have you ever read a book called
Cincinnatus: George Washington and the Enlightenment. If not, PLEASE read it!!! It is by Garry Wills. In the final pages of the book he says"

" It has been said that Washington was the last of the classical heroes as Napoleon was the first of the romantic heroes... The contrast is not so much between two eras as between two conceptions of the morality of power. And it was, after all, a romantic poet, Lord Byron, who ended his Ode to Napoleon this way"

There was a day-there was an hour
while earth was Gaul's-Gaul thine-
When that immeasurable power
Unstated to resign
had been an act of purer fame
Than gathers round Marengo's name,
and gilded thy decline
Through the long twilight of all time
Despite some passing clouds of crime.

But thou forsooth must be a King,
and don the purple vest
As if that foolish robe could wring,
Remembrance from thy breast.
Where is that faded garment? where
The gewgaws thou wert fond to wear,
The star-the string- the crest?
Vain froward child of empire! say,
Are all thy playthings snatch'd away?

Where may the wearied eye repose
When gazing on the Great:
Where neither guilty glory glows,
nor despicable state?
Yes-one-the first-the last-the-best:
The Cincinnatus of the West
Whom envy dared not hate.
Bequeath'd the name of WASHINGTON
TO MAKE MEN BLUSH THERE WAS BUT ONE

We should also remember that at one time in his career Napoleon yell at some one,
"What did the expect me to be, another Washington".

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen Nova Roma

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 05:46:40 -0000

Pompeia writes:

> The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
>
> If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> database from which they are getting this.
>
> I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> information.
>
> If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> they have a data base of some sort.

I'm quite sure they didn't get my yahoo address that way.
As you may recall, Po, I created the yahoo account solely for
use on this mailing list. The only way that anybody would see
it would be to somehow have access to Nova-Roma.

It's perhaps *as* significant that I did not get the spam at
the address I use for all other NR related mailing lists.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:46:25 -0000

---Salve Equitius:

Yes, I forgot about this. You did create this address solely for the
purposes of this mailing list...I remember you telling me some months
back when I was Praetor that you were having email problems. In all
fairness, I am not a computer myself and with all that I have had had
to 'remember' over the Christmas/Saturnalia season, I just 'up and
forgot'...no nastiness intended.

At any rate, I was not making excuses for Ancient Domains, I was only
trying to be helpful. It would seem that someone is a marketing addies.

I gave up my list moderation rights after the Agorius Religous
Campaign, and I will say (and I know you are not accusing), in case
anyone thinks the worst in this area, that I did not export any of my
list here at Yahoo Groups to Ancient Domains or anyone else while I
was Praetor.

Bene valete,
Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@y...>" <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> Pompeia writes:
>
> > The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
> >
> > If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> > resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> > database from which they are getting this.
> >
> > I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> > information.
> >
> > If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> > they have a data base of some sort.
>
> I'm quite sure they didn't get my yahoo address that way.
> As you may recall, Po, I created the yahoo account solely for
> use on this mailing list. The only way that anybody would see
> it would be to somehow have access to Nova-Roma.
>
> It's perhaps *as* significant that I did not get the spam at
> the address I use for all other NR related mailing lists.
>
> -- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:01:22 -0000

---

Salve Iulilla:

I am sorry. I rather concluded that it was. Because they addressed me
by my old handle "pompeia corneli'us', and they issued me my old
password to log into their site. So I figured it was a rebuild of the
former site.

Sorry for the misconclusion and misreporting, Amica.

Bene vale,
Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna
<curatrix@v...>" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia
> <scriba_forum@h...>" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
> >
> > The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
> >
> > If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> > resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> > database from which they are getting this.
> >
> > I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> > information.
> >
> > If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> > they have a data base of some sort.
> >
> > Bene valete,
>
> I regret to correct illustra Pompeia Cornelia, but AncientDomains is
> most definitely NOT the resurrection of AncientSites, which I was and
> am now once again involved in resurrecting.
>
> www.ancientworlds.net was founded by one of the co-creators of the
> online mystery game SPQR and AncientSites, and we do not resort to e-
> mailings of this type. The founder purchased the database and
> graphics from the defunct CyberSites, and we have mailed to that list
> only.
>
> There have been several sites created devoted to ancient history in
> the past two years, but only AncientWorlds has any direct connection
> with the founders' vision which created AncientSites.
>
> Gratias for the opportunity to clarify,
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Scriba Censoris, MMDCCLVI
> Accensa Senior Tertia, Cohors Consularis, MMDCCLVI
> America Boreoccidentalis
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Factio Praesina
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: SVR
From:	"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:05:51 -0000

---As though politicians could ply their trade without
civilization......to quote a phrase...

I am afraid I don't know you either yet Pritini, but you certainly
have a way with words.

Speaking of books and all that, ever consider taking up writing?

Seriously,
Po

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<pitrinius@m...> wrote:
> ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
>
> SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
>
>
> I'm asking for clarification on what appeared to be a belittlement of
> the humanistic enterprise; as though politicians could ply their trade
> without civilization.
>
> Salve atque vale.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@e...]
> > Sent: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 19:44
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get
> > organized guys...)
> >
> >
> > Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,
> >
> > Sir, I do not know who you are. And, have never spoken to
> > you. So, my response to you are at liberty to take whatever
> > opinion you wish. I stand by my statement.
> >
> > If you would like to chat with me to get to know me I am
> > available on AIM, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, and MSN Messenger.
> > You can get my contact information from the IM database.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's
> > get organized guys...)
> >
> >
> > ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
> >
> > SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> > > attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> > > individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.
> >
> > Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in
> > favour of a
> > blunt, uncouth politicastry?
> >
> > Vince igitur et vale.
> >
> >
> >
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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nobody Loves a Centurion (g)
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 04:37:55 EST

In a message dated 1/7/03 7:37:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@kc.rr.com writes:

> Its a great book. Much better than Saylors' stuff. Not that Saylors stuff
> isn't good.
>
>
>

Actually I enjoyed it. And I rarely enjoy pulp historical novels. The pros
like Renault, Green, Duggan, Graves, de Camp are more my speed.
However it was true. No one really liked a Centurion. We read of that
lament over and over again in soldiers' letters to home.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: SVR (very long)
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:28:32 EST

> Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in favour of a
> blunt, uncouth politicastry?
>
Ah, but such significance has to have redeeming value. You don't come into
someone else's house and start redecorating without their permission. This
project started as a political support to a state religion. As such it is an
interesting experiment in poly-sci in regards to history. And while the
politicastry was blunt it was never uncoth.

Our boy from Belgium makes several points in his rebuttal about the SVR.
However methinks he doth protests too much.
First off he believes that I'm singling him out for the creation of SVR.
Nope. "You" referred to the people that left NR to start it in the first
place since the majority here disagreed with their view. However, he was one
of them, though he came back inside before the nine days when his resignation
would have been accepted. Brave lad...
P. Cornelia takes me to task saying that not all SVR members are NR bashers
and actually some have good views. I'm sure that is true. The odds say that
some in the SVR are people with no ax to grind, while being knowledgeable
about Rome. I'm sure the SVR has done great things to advance Romanitas.
However the state's main exhibit is that there was a political movement that
stated that certain members of Nova Roma had to be suppressed for the good of
the people. That the people should have the vote, as individuals and not
blocs. That Senators had to elected, rather than appointed. Solarius, by
his own admission, said he was never involved in such things, but some of his
best friends were. It's public record.
As for S claim that I have to show proof, about these alleged trangressions,
I have say the speeches and the reason for them are public record, and not
one of these people who left to found the SVR are in NR today. Their last
card was an attempt to get the population to join them and forsake NR, which
they called "oppressive." And again those speeches are public record.
However the people were not fooled and these malcontents went off and founded
their own organization. And we the people thought we were rid of them.
So now some bleet about having the right to have a double citizenship. This
makes sense in Europe since the countries are tiny and right next to one
another. However, I daresay magistrates in any of these do not retain a
citizenship in another. To do so would make no sense at all. After all,
where would your loyalties lie?
So again I say, double, triple citizenships are fine until it comes to
magistracy in NR. At that point the person should have to make a choice.
So in closing I have to say, I'd hope that people here would put NR's welfare
first. It would be the Roman thing to do.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] SVR and NR
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:09:40 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes, Diana and Solaris,

Once again we talk about SVR and NR in terms that should not be used. The people I know
from both organisations are really good ones and I could call them my friends. Please
remind that SVR and NR have much in common, the Romanitas, and that we are all working
for it. Should SVR and NR fight instead of cooperate and both organisations will suffer.
Diana and Solaris, you are as well citizens of Gallia. As such, I ask you to talk to me
privately in order to come back to some more positive relationship. We all need
quietness, confidence and friendship to achieve our goals.

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Praetrix speaks
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:28:42 -0500

Having been re-empowered by the Consuls' edict, I hereby make of all of
you the following request:

PLEASE do your readers the courtesy of cutting back the quoted material
in any reply you send to this list. It is annoying in the extreme to
wade through masses of regurgitated disclaimers, Yahoo promotions, and
so forth to get to the meat of your message, and it also distracts from
your effectiveness as a communicator by distracting your audience.

When participating in an ongoing conversation, quote only a few lines
at most -- just enough so we know what you're talking about. As usual,
you are asked to enhance your own dignitas by offering information
rather than accusations, by using patience and civility with those who
disagree with you, and by respecting others' right to do so. Those of
you who've been in NR the longest have heard this most often, and
should have experience at it by now.

On another note, Caeso Fabius has asked me to investigate the
AncientDomains situation and determine whether NR citizens' privacy is
being violated.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] (unknown)
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:31:57 -0000

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] List Organization, & ideas to orientate new Citizens
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:58:28 -0500

This is an excellent idea. I hope that you and other interested parties can put it all together. May Mercurius and Juno grant you favor.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Praetrix speaks
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:00:56 -0600

I appreciate your comments. But I am dismayed at the number of behavioral suggestions made by our Conscript Fathers and other elected officials.

When I respond to an email, its like Motzart: neither too many notes, nor too few; just the right amount is included. I'm sure everybody else feels the same.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
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----- Original Message -----
From: Patricia Cassia
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:28 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Praetrix speaks

Having been re-empowered by the Consuls' edict, I hereby make of all of
you the following request:

PLEASE do your readers the courtesy of cutting back the quoted material
in any reply you send to this list. It is annoying in the extreme to
wade through masses of regurgitated disclaimers, Yahoo promotions, and
so forth to get to the meat of your message, and it also distracts from
your effectiveness as a communicator by distracting your audience.

When participating in an ongoing conversation, quote only a few lines
at most -- just enough so we know what you're talking about. As usual,
you are asked to enhance your own dignitas by offering information
rather than accusations, by using patience and civility with those who
disagree with you, and by respecting others' right to do so. Those of
you who've been in NR the longest have heard this most often, and
should have experience at it by now.

On another note, Caeso Fabius has asked me to investigate the
AncientDomains situation and determine whether NR citizens' privacy is
being violated.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CONSULARE DE PRIMA INDICE CONTINUE MODERANDA
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:15:44 -0000

Pretty good, consules!

Now another edictum is necessary to rule the using of the Annouce
List!

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Senior Plebeian Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fortunatus <labienus@n...> wrote:
> T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Quiritibus SPD
>
> On behalf of my collega Caeso Fabius and myself, I issue the
following
> edictum:
> _________
>
> Consular Edict Regarding Continuous Main List Moderation
>
> In the event that no praetor is elected during Nova Roma's yearly
> elections for magistrates, the praetors of the preceding year, along
> with any scribae they have appointed for the task, shall continue
to act
> as the moderators of the main list until a praetor is elected to
take
> their place.
>
> Enacted on the 6th of January, in the year of the consulship of
Caeso
> Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus
> _________
>
> EDICTUM CONSULARE DE PRIMA INDICE CONTINUE MODERANDA
>
> Si comitia novoromana nullum annuis suffragiis praetorem eligant
> praetores proximi anni cum scribis ad hoc designatis primae indici
> moderabuntur quoad praetor novus eligatur in illorum locum
succedendi gratia
>
> Statutum viii Iduum Ianuariarum Caesone Fabio Quntiliano et Tito
Labieno
> Fortunato Consulibus
> _________
>
> Valete


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR - An objective response
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:23:14 -0500

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to all concerned. Salvete.

For the love of the Gods, what does all this matter? Having been a historical reenactor and member of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. for over 25 years, I can state that the term "politics" in such groups merely translates as "differing opinions about how goals and plans should be implemented based on personal viewpoints and opinions." In historical reenactment, the goals are education, history, heritage, and fun. To a progressive or campaigner, this means authentic uniforms, equipment, "first person presentation", and doing all the tasks & duties of a Civil War soldier or civilian. To a mainstreamer, it means reasonable attempts at uniform and equipment, battles, historical demonstrations, etc.
To a farb, it means something different (having never been a farb I really don't know what).
In the SCA (37 years old now), some splinter groups want more authenticity; others want a closed historical period (Norselanders, Kingdom of Acre, Normans of the Sun); others want more fantasy (Marklander, Rangers, Vampires).
The important thing to remember is that all these groups have a common heritage and goal. They can agree to disagree and can have fun together at certain events--Pennsics for the SCA and 140th Anniversary Battle of Gettysburg for ACW--without eviscerating one another.
I know next to nothing about SVR and have no interest in such a group. My attention for micronationality are focused on NR. I also don't have interest in Ancient Sites or other such groups because it just doesn't matter to me but I have no ill feelings about it or them. Let Nova Romans devote themselves to growth and setting a fine example of the Virtues. If we are the shining example of Rome Reborn on the net, then those with intelligence, humility, piety, and dignity will know it by our works and deeds. They will see that ours is a group worth their time and service. Those that are disaffected may return but if not it doesn't matter. We are Nova Romans and that is a worthy thing to be!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:40:45 US/Central

Salve Gai Basilicate

> What?

I believe Pompeia Cornelia meant the following joke:

> Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
> ---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] apologies
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:50:55 +0100

Salve (Sextus Apollonius) Scipio,

> Should SVR and NR fight instead of cooperate and both organisations will
suffer.
< Diana and Solaris, you are as well citizens of Gallia. As such, I ask you
to talk to me
< privately in order to come back to some more positive relationship.

I really think that it is very sweet that you have volunteered to arbitrate
in this matter! Even though Solaris has publicly and directly verbally
attacked me, I am certainly not even slightly angry. Even when I disagree
with Solaris, I like him: a few emails wouldn't change that. However, if
Solaris wishes you to intervene, no problem for me. I will do whatever you
wish to make peace in Gallia.

I do not take back what I said about the SVR, because I did not lie when I
repeated what several SVR members have said to me. And I say again that my
email was not at all an attack on Solaris and I was pretty surprised at his
reaction. That said, whether I understand it or not, my email did make
Marcus Octavius Solaris upset and I am sorry. So in the spirit of peace and
friendship I offer this olive branch:

Solaris : Please accept my apology. I really didn't mean to make you upset.
I also apologize to anyone mentioned in Solaris' email in case they, like
Solaris, felt that my email referred to them. I also wish to publicly
apologize (as I did offlist last night) to Spurius Postumius Tubertus, for
my sarcastic comments about his age. I also apologize to anyone who was
upset by my 3 emails sent yesterday that referred to this subject.

If I've missed anyone, please let me know!

In any case, just to explain myself: I really love people but I do have very
much a Sicilian temper: I get annoyed, I speak my mind and then I forget it
about it. I hope that anyone annoyed at me over this has the same character
:-)

Vale,
Diana Moravia

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:57:40 -0500

Not a bad idea. I would be interested in something along these lines.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:45:39 -0600

Got it. A hahaha..ahem.

The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

Salve Gai Basilicate

> What?

I believe Pompeia Cornelia meant the following joke:

> Ruins of ancient Roman tower found
> ---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Domains spam?
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:01:58 -0000

Pompeia writes:

> ---Salve Equitius:

Salve Pompeia, mi amica,

> Yes, I forgot about this. [...] In all
> fairness, I am not a computer myself

A computer wouldn't be half so interesting.

> and with all that I have had had
> to 'remember' over the Christmas/Saturnalia season, I just 'up and
> forgot'...no nastiness intended.

I didn't imagine that there was any, Po. I know you've had a lot
on your mind of late.

Vale,

-- Marinus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:05:55 -0500

Salvete,

"Do not waste what remains of your life in speculating about your
neighbors, unless with a view to some mutual benefit. To wonder what
so-and-so is doing and why, or what he is saying, or thinking, or
scheming - in a word, anything that distracts you from the fidelity to
the Ruler within you - means a loss of opportunity for some other task.
See then that the flow of your thoughts is kept free from idle random
fancies, particularly those of an inquisitive or uncharitable nature."

-Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus

While it is just my two sestertii , I think we all have plenty to keep
our minds occupied here in Nova Roma without worrying about someone
else's affairs. Honestly I would rather have those people unhappy with
Nova Roma somewhere else, rather than here being miserable.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:59 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR

Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,

Let me say this I am all for humanistic enterprise. But I do not see
the reason to establish a separate and competing organization for the
purpose of humanistic enterprise when Nova Roma has venues for such
endeavors. Unless other motivations were at work.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nobody Loves a Centurion (g)
From:	"Barry Smith" <bsmith3121@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:16:36 -0500

What's the name of the book?

Caius Titinius Varus

Integrity is Paramount

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:29:49 -0500

Salve C. Minucius Hadrianus Well said Propraetor

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:06 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR

Salvete,

"Do not waste what remains of your life in speculating about your
neighbors, unless with a view to some mutual benefit. To wonder what
so-and-so is doing and why, or what he is saying, or thinking, or
scheming - in a word, anything that distracts you from the fidelity to
the Ruler within you - means a loss of opportunity for some other task.
See then that the flow of your thoughts is kept free from idle random
fancies, particularly those of an inquisitive or uncharitable nature."

-Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus

While it is just my two sestertii , I think we all have plenty to keep
our minds occupied here in Nova Roma without worrying about someone
else's affairs. Honestly I would rather have those people unhappy with
Nova Roma somewhere else, rather than here being miserable.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:59 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR

Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,

Let me say this I am all for humanistic enterprise. But I do not see
the reason to establish a separate and competing organization for the
purpose of humanistic enterprise when Nova Roma has venues for such
endeavors. Unless other motivations were at work.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?
From:	aneaapollonia@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:47:25 EST

I vote we "Vollundraft" whoever this idea belongs to, it sounds like
something I would like to be involved with as well.

I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Book Club!
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:51:03 -0500

Salvete,

I have just created the Nova Roma Book Club Yahoo! Group at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaromabookclub/

The plan is for club members to select works of literature, history,
anthropology, religion and modern fiction relating to Roman or Classical
civilization, and then read and discuss the texts according to a basic,
pre-determined schedule.

I suspect the first week or so will be spent getting organized and
determining exactly how the club will work (method of book selection,
scheduling, etc.) and (hopefully) getting sufficient membership to
begin.

I hope to see some of you there!

Thanks!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Musa's Questions
From:	"Ivlia A.A. Musa <aneaapollonia@aol.com>" <aneaapollonia@aol.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:02:38 -0000

Salvete,
I don't suppose it would be foolish of me to ask if there are any
public events going on this year in the whole of Mediatlantica?
Gatherings, religious festivals, a picnic would suffice...

And may I also ask if Nova Roma is recognized as a non profit
organization? Or a legally recognized religious organization of some
kind?

Iustitia guide your steps.

Valete,
I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Musa's Questions
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:07:18 -0500

Salve Yes we are a non-profit Maine Corporation but not yet Religious. There will be Roman Days in the Spring. Right now we have no Propraetor. I believe they will be two other annual events.

Vale
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Ivlia A.A. Musa
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Musa's Questions

Salvete,
I don't suppose it would be foolish of me to ask if there are any
public events going on this year in the whole of Mediatlantica?
Gatherings, religious festivals, a picnic would suffice...

And may I also ask if Nova Roma is recognized as a non profit
organization? Or a legally recognized religious organization of some
kind?

Iustitia guide your steps.

Valete,
I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] apologies
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:56:06 -0800 (PST)

Salve Diana,

my intention was not to ask for public apologies! You are of course entitled to have your
feelings and ideas. (BTW, my grandparents are Sicilian too...). It is my duty and my wish
to help out any problem that may arise between some of the citizens of Gallia.
I just feel regretable that two nice people like you and Solaris are getting that far in
a discussion that should not even have occured.

Vale,

> I really think that it is very sweet that you have volunteered to arbitrate
> in this matter! Even though Solaris has publicly and directly verbally
> attacked me, I am certainly not even slightly angry. Even when I disagree
> with Solaris, I like him: a few emails wouldn't change that. However, if
> Solaris wishes you to intervene, no problem for me. I will do whatever you
> wish to make peace in Gallia.

=====
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Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ancient Domains
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:16:30 -0500 (EST)

Marinus;

I got an invitation as well. However, I get anywhere from 5 to 10 such
SPAM notations on this list for this particular address each day.

Marcus Minucius Audens

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Book Club!
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:53:59 +0000

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>

I have just created the Nova Roma Book Club Yahoo! Group at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaromabookclub/

The plan is for club members to select works of literature, history,...

---------------------------------------------------------------

I wish you had kept it in the main list instead of creating a new list.

Galerius Peregrinator.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: SVR
From:	"c_cornelius_varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>" <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:49:54 -0000

Salvete,

Well said!
Personally I really don't care what SVR is or does as long as it
really doesn't threaten what I do here in NR. They may have a
different focus: great! Even if they have the same focus: goodie for
them! If they want to be separate then there is no way to force them
to be friends again...so leave them be. I'm still new here, but I
think there are larger issues that need attention than a bunch of
folks that don't want to be a part of us. If they want to participate
here, then they would be expected to abide by our laws, same goes in
reverse. Really, there is no reason for elitism.

Valete,

C. Cornelius Varus

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your
> neighbors, ...> -Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
> While it is just my two sestertii , I think we all have plenty to
keep
> our minds occupied here in Nova Roma without worrying about someone
> else's affairs. Honestly I would rather have those people unhappy
with
> Nova Roma somewhere else, rather than here being miserable.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Musa's Questions
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:29:20 -0000

Ivlia A.A. Musa writes:

> I don't suppose it would be foolish of me to ask if there are any
> public events going on this year in the whole of Mediatlantica?

It would not be at all foolish to ask. Indeed, the provincial
mailing list has been so quiet lately you might think we'd all
moved away.

> Gatherings, religious festivals, a picnic would suffice...

As Tiberius has already mentioned, we'll have Roman Days again
sometime in June. There's also going to be some kind of
activity happening in New Jersey in late February or March.
(You should check the archives of mediatlantica@yahoogroups.com)

> And may I also ask if Nova Roma is recognized as a non profit
> organization?

We are, yes.

> Or a legally recognized religious organization of some
> kind?

Well, the religio itself is as legal as any other religion
in the United States, but the status varies by macronation.
Nova Roma is not chartered as a religious organization per se.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] SVR
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:52:45 -0500 (EST)

Senator Q. Fabius Maximus;

While I fully agree with your ideas regarding the former citizen
Apollonius, in the aspect that he wished to change NR significantly, and
make it more like a Greek Democratic State, as well as his own "puddle"
to paddle around in, I am not sure that I can label others who belong to
his creation as seeking the same resut as he envisioned. Certainly, in
consideration of the fact that he was too much anti-Nova Roma for even
those of the organization which he founded, and that they had trouble in
"harnessing him in" as well, is a strong consideration for such a view.
There are several other aspects of his nature and comments which also
lead me to that conclusion, so I agree that Nova Roma is well rid of
such, and considering the words recently on the list perhaps those
members of SVR might feel some portion of the same relief.

The gentemen whom you name are to my knowledge young men of honor (not
boys) and whom I do not doubt the truthfullness of in thier objections
to your comments. They have all served Nova Roma well, and faithfully,
and I applaud them for that effort, just as much as I applaud you for
your efforts.

If I remember correctly, it was you who invited Appollonius to rejoin
Nova Roma after his first resignation. This was something I could not
understand until you revealed your reasoning behind the invitation.
Areasonig with which I personnally cannot agree, but which I understand
has served you in relation to it's integrity.

I belong to several organizations in which I have served as President
and Vice-Preident over the years, and still serve in most as a Board
Member. I have a Citizenship in the U.S. and have served as an Officer
in the Military of that country, and currently serve in a Magisterial
position in the service of the town in which I live. However, I trust
that such activities have not given the impression that I am any less
devoted to Nova Roma, than if I belonged to no other organization at
all.

I can well understand your suspicians of the man formerly known as
Appollonius, as I too in personal discussions with him ascertained his
unwelcome plans for NR and for certain Citizens threof. H however, I
must join others in cautioning you to have a care in what you say in
accusation here. You have made the same cautions to me in the past in
regard to certain individuals, and I would respond that your answer will
serve as a good response in this area as well "the evidence is included
in the archives of this net, or associated with this net" as well as in
the desires of the people who have left Nova Roma having no desire to
continue to associate with people whom they saw to be less than honest
and forthright, or whom they saw as a possible threat to thier integrity
in the eyes of thier sponsors or superiors. Now I am sure that you will
pooh-pooh this last, but in at least two such resignations this was
mentioned as a concern. and from my military experience as a Securrity
Officer, I can tell you that questionable alliances or friendships are
significantly considered in the applications for security positions or
for high level corporate positions where such aquaintance might possibly
come back to "haunt" the base organization. In any case most of those
who have left NR have responded to my question of why, with the response
that there were two or three people of such low integrity that they no
longer wished to be involved with them or an organization which
supported them. The fact that these accused "low integrity" people were
in a significant political office, only magnified the desire to leave.
Such were the cmments of those who responded.

I know that there are some here in Nova Roma who will never condone or
excuse a resignation from NR. However, I also know that many citizens
or ptential citizens are not willing to put up with a great deal of
insult and political wrangling unless there is something which also
fulfills thier individual needs. I personnally am aquainted with
several such people, whose integrity and outside participation is
exemplary, Even the Oath of Office is not proof against personal insult
or attack, real or imagined. Perhaps it is those needs which we should
concentrate upon rather than our political discussions, and our
extensive overuse of the list for the purposes of political discussion
and argument. I have been roundly criticized for such thoughts, as
though I did not know the value of this net as a political field of
discussion, however, I do not see it as necessary to use it as the basis
of namecalling, or insult, or a very large percentage of political
discussion, without relief. However, it is the fault of every person,
myself included, who makes a response to a political question, since
everyone feels that thier views are valuable to the furtherence of NR,
or that thier self-justificaions are needed and wanted, or that thier
personal arguments are of interest to others. I would very much like to
see a net where at least 50% of the messages are cultual, and not
political or argumentative. I would very much like to also see a net
where personal arguments over past concerns are regulated to a list
where only the interested are visited with these painful activities. I
understand about the "Delete" button, but a list where more than 50% or
so of the list is such material, it's a lot easier to delete the weblist
than to delete 50 or 100 such E-Mails, for those not yet totally devoted
to the ideals of NR.

However, I have noticed that when some citizens introduce cultural items
on this net, that very little response is generated whereas arguments
and political topics generate a seemingly never-ending set of responses
and counter-responses many of which contain personal attacks for no
verifiable reason.

I strongly feel that the above two items are the main reasons for those
who leave Nova Roma in disgust and in the dashed hopes of learning
anything of value regarding Rome that "meets the individual needs" of
the Citizens of Nova Roma. My feelings in that area are bolstered by
the many comments of those who have left NR, in responses to my
questions why.

I do not wish to fight with you, but I would ask that you recognize the
honesty of all NR Citizens until either you (or they) prove themselves
no longer unworthy of that trust, by word or deed or both, and that you
would honestly recognize these Citizens and Magistrates for what they
have given to Nova Roma, and on the basis of past service, what they are
capable of in the future.

Further, many of these gentlemen have served the Senior Consul
Quintillianus in the past, and are now his colleagues for the coming
year. Since I am well aquainted with the Senior Consul, (much as I am
aquainted with you), I am convinced that these gentlemen are
straghtforwad, honest, hardworking gentlemen who are just as interested
in the success of Nova Roma as either you or I. Were it not so, such a
breach of behavior would have been shared with me long ago. Of the two
of us, the Senior Consul and I, it would appear that I am much the more
suspicious, of the two, and I am pleased to applaud those who have done
so much for Nova Roma, whether they be members of SVR or not.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Musa's Questions
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:17:22 -0500 (EST)

The "Roman Days" Event will be the summer, June I believe in a small
town on the outskirts of Baltimore. Senator Cincinnatus or Commander of
the XXIV th Legion both of whom are on this net can provide more
information. The Sodalitas Miltarium also has a copy of the latest XXth
Legion (host for "Roman Days") newsletter with the details courtesy of
Militarium Beneficarius amd Tribunus Militum Popeia Stabo.

I have been given to understand that there will also be an event in
Philadelphia featuring the Gladiator Schools and Legio XXIV in March.
More info on it's way.

I also have been made aware of the SCA Event at "Settmore Swamp" in New
Jersey, where there is a separate encampment for Roman participants, to
which the XXIVth Legion has been invited.

More information may be gained at the XXIVth Legio's website

www.legionxxiv.org

If you are at all interested in Roman Miitary subjects you are invited
to join the Sodalitas Militarium. If you are interested in furtherin
Nova Roma in literature or in similar organizations you are invited to
join the Sodalitas Egressus. Contact Beneficarius Strabo at

trog99@homail.com

Respecfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ancient Domains
From:	"Titus Arminius Genialis" <tagenialis@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:41:07 -0200

Salvete.

I also received Ancient Domains' spam, and it is not the first time.

Valete.
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