| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An unlevel playing field. |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:04:15 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete Quirites,
I Concur with Decius Iunius that we should return to
use of a plurality to determine the outcome of an
election, though I would add that there needs to be a
threshold for a winning plurality.
If we have a large number of canidates in some future
Election the person who won the most Centuries might
have a low number of Centuries, say 25% of them. That
isn't a wide enough mandate.
I Would suggest that the threshold be set at 40% of
the Centuries. In most cases this would result in at
least one of the canidates being elected.
There also needs to be some limits on the number of
canidates who can take part in a runoff. If no Praetor
is elected then the top three canidates would be in
the runoff. If only one Praetor was elected then the
top two unelected canidates.
--- "deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>"
<bcatfd@together.net> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Octavius
> Germanicus
> <haase@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
>
> Salve Censor Octavi,
>
> > Today, we begin our third attempt to elect
> Praetores for this year.
> > Unless something changes, it is likely to end in
> failure, just as
> > the first two attempts did. Our election system,
> in spite of years
> > of refinements, is still imperfect.
>
> No system is perfect, censor. This one works well as
> it is. The
> problem is not the system, frankly as was confirmed
> in the second
> runoff, it is voter apathy. Not enough people in
> enough centuries
> voted.
> On a related topic, there were several laws voted on
> at the end of
> the year that won a majority of votes cast, but some
> tribes never
> voted at all, so the required number of tribes was
> not reached.
> No "paterfamilias vote" interfered with the passage
> of those laws but
> rather a lack of voter participation.
>
> > Why? Because the process is not equitable. Some
> candidates are
> > automatically discriminated against because of a
> status that has
> > nothing to do with their candidacy or
> qualifications for office.
>
> > The Lex Vedia de Ratione Centuriatorum Comitiorum,
> and its
> > subsequent derivations, state:
> >
> > This is not right. The candidate preferred by a
> majority of
> > centuries lost because the playing field was not
> level.
>
> There are many aspects of the Roman system that some
> could say are
> not "equitable." The century voting system, weighted
> classes within
> the centuries, etc. I think the paterfamilias tie
> vote is a Roman
> solution in keeping with the general framework of
> the system.
> I believe the simplest way to fix the problem is to
> go back to having
> a plurality decide the election. The two top
> candidates with the most
> votes are elected. I was opposed to the change when
> we stopped
> deciding elections by a plurality and would welcome
> a move back to
> that.
>
> > Of the four candidates in the initial run for
> Praetor, two were
> > Tribunes, one was a past Consul, one was a
> Propraetor. All were
> > very qualified. The voters should have been
> allowed to make their
> > own decisions as to whose past accomplishments
> qualified them for
> > that office - yet the will of the voters was
> nullified on a
> > technicality.
>
> A candidate can win now by winning the majority of
> centuries but not
> a majority of voters, if most of his or her voters
> were in the 1st
> class and 2nd classes and his opponent's more
> numerous voters were in
> the 4th and 5th classes. One could argue that the
> will of the voters
> was nullified there. There are peculiarities to the
> system from a
> modern's perspective, but that is the Roman system.
>
> > Citizens, today I ask you to vote for Gnaeus Salix
> Astur, even if
> > he is not your first choice. It is the only way
> to break this
> > stalemate; and in a fair system, he would have won
> already. We will
> > not be able to elect both Praetores right away - a
> fourth election
> > will be necessary.
>
> Marce Octavi, that is not a compelling reason to
> vote for someone. I
> would suggest voters vote for their first choice,
> whether it is
> Salix, Arminius or myself. Don't vote for a lesser
> choice for
> political expedience. Instead, encourage other
> voters to vote. If
> enough people participate, the system will work.
>
> If we go back to a plurality decision for elections,
> this problem
> would not arise again.
>
> Vale,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius
>
>
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Help password |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:37:56 +0100 |
|
Salve Honorable Gallus Solaris Alexander!
Write to the Censors <Censors@novaroma.org> to get your voter code!
Or go to your own page:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4650 and log in as Gallus
Solaris Alexander with your password.
If You don't have the Voter code You will not get into the Cista and
then You will not be able to vote. And this vote is very important as
we must get our two Praetores elected.
> > I realized I choose a password and an ID.
>Completely forgot them.
>What can I do?
>
>By the way, what do I need them for?
>
>Gallus Solaris Alexander
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] PLEASE VOTE! |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:44:21 +0100 |
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Salvete Quirites!
Yes, our election system in the Comitia Centuriata is problematic and
I _will_ put forward a proposal to the Populus to change it for the
better.
At this moment we will have to accept the existing system though.
But there is one thing that _every_ citizen may do, to VOTE in the
Praetorian elections in the Comitia Centuriata!
Please Quirites VOTE!
--
Valete
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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************************************************
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:48:22 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve,
Growth Caius Minucius?
The only growth we have seen for some time is a growth
in the size of signiture files containing a list of
titles some citizens hold and since the first of the
year a growth in Nova Roma's bureaucracy, neither of
which I find desirable.
For some time we have had around 300 active citizens.
That is the area where we need to grow, not in the
number of people managing those 300 citizens.
--- Caius Minucius Scaevola
<pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
SNIP
>
> Clearly, you and Sulla are determined to tear down
> anyone who does not
> belong to your faction and stands a chance of
> achieving anything useful;
> this might - oh horrors! - dim whatever you have
> achieved in the past.
> This would be laughably appropriate if you were
> trying to emulate... oh,
> several small-minded politicians come to mind, but
> I'll skip macronational
> commentary and invidious comparison - but it's out
> of place here, where it
> can be easily seen for precisely what it is. I
> suggest you give it up; if
> you persist in your attempts to stifle Nova Roma's
> growth due to jealousy,
> I warn you that the repercussions will be far beyond
> your expectations.
>
>
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Claris maiorum exemplis.
> After the forefathers' brilliant example.
> -- Part of the inscription on the House of Nobility
> in Stockholm
>
=====
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Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An unlevel playing field. |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:00:04 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salvete Senatores Luci Sicini et Deci Iuni,
> I Concur with Decius Iunius that we should return to
> use of a plurality to determine the outcome of an
> election, though I would add that there needs to be a
> threshold for a winning plurality.
For once, I agree with both of you.
The current system has been in place for about a year
and a half... and almost every major election with multiple
vacancies has had some problem since then. I think we
should consider the absolute majority rule to be a worthwhile
experiment that ultimately failed.
> I Would suggest that the threshold be set at 40% of
> the Centuries. In most cases this would result in at
> least one of the canidates being elected.
That's reasonable.
Valete, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Size of signature files (was Century Points) |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:50:53 -0000 |
|
L. Sicinius Drusus writes, in part:
> The only growth we have seen for some time is a growth
> in the size of signiture files containing a list of
> titles some citizens hold and since the first of the
> year a growth in Nova Roma's bureaucracy, neither of
> which I find desirable.
My dear Drusus,
There is no one here in NR whose Romanitas I hold in higher
regard than your own, and I do understand a preference for
simplicity in how we sign our posts. But really sir...,
I think it's unnecessary to give people a hard time for
identifying themselves in their .sig files as they've been
asked to do by others here. If sig files are an issue, I'd
much rather we first addressed the issue of sig files which
have nothing whatsoever to do with Nova Roma at all, and
which some people insist on appending with their every post.
But even that I prefer to leave to the Praetrix and her
able assistants.
I am, I realize, a part of that bureaucracy you dislike.
Perhaps you can take some small comfort in knowing that
yours is one of the names I bring to mind as I think about
each of my bureaucratic and magesterial actions.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Size of signature files (was Century Points) |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:21:07 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve,
My Problem with sig files stating titles is the legal
implications. In Macronational Court cases
organizations have been sued because a member of that
organization made a personal statement on
organizational letterhead or with an organzational
title attached to a posting on a public forum.
US Courts have ruled that this can be construed as
speaking on behalf of the organization, rather than
speaking as a private citizen.
That is the reason my sig file states nothing more
than my name and "Roman Citizen"
I Would like to see all magistrates and citizens cease
using titles in any posting other than offical
postings on behalf of Nova Roma. My personal rule is
if I post as a Propraetor or a Senator, then I'll use
the title, If I post my personal views I omit any
titles so that it is plain that it is nothing more
than a personal opinion.
--- "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>"
<equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> L. Sicinius Drusus writes, in part:
>
> > The only growth we have seen for some time is a
> growth
> > in the size of signiture files containing a list
> of
> > titles some citizens hold and since the first of
> the
> > year a growth in Nova Roma's bureaucracy, neither
> of
> > which I find desirable.
>
> My dear Drusus,
>
> There is no one here in NR whose Romanitas I hold in
> higher
> regard than your own, and I do understand a
> preference for
> simplicity in how we sign our posts. But really
> sir...,
> I think it's unnecessary to give people a hard time
> for
> identifying themselves in their .sig files as
> they've been
> asked to do by others here. If sig files are an
> issue, I'd
> much rather we first addressed the issue of sig
> files which
> have nothing whatsoever to do with Nova Roma at all,
> and
> which some people insist on appending with their
> every post.
> But even that I prefer to leave to the Praetrix and
> her
> able assistants.
>
> I am, I realize, a part of that bureaucracy you
> dislike.
> Perhaps you can take some small comfort in knowing
> that
> yours is one of the names I bring to mind as I think
> about
> each of my bureaucratic and magesterial actions.
>
> -- Marinus
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis" <pitrinius@mitdasein.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 05:50:43 +0100 |
|
ante diem III Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI. S. PITRINIUS TIBI SALUTEM:
> From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
> Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2003 02:41
> I suggest reading up on your Wilde, or perhaps
> Johnson, with a bit of Bierce thrown in for variety.
Hilarious.
Salve.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Invalid Voter Codes |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 05:30:41 -0000 |
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Salve
Invalid Voter Code Message:
The citizens with the following voter tracking codes
has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:
#142 and #143
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Vale,
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Praetoral Elections: Some Comments on the Candidates |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:41:38 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
<bcatfd@t...> wrote:
>
> Salve P. Corneli,
Responding to my own message. That should have been P. Cornelia in
the vocative, not Corneli. Sorry. :)
D. Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:29:27 +0100 |
|
Salve Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis ,
At the risk of you posting another 'I'll use so many flowery words that no
one will understand that I've insulted them' email, I am wondering why are
you so negative towards us ever since your very first post the other day on
the SVR? Unless you are a long lost citizen returned, you are new here (not
on the Albium Gentium) or not even a citizen. Would you like it if one of us
continually posted sarcasm to the http://www.mitdasein.com forum? Not
everyone would find that that forum interesting and well, I don't think that
anyone associated with that Forum would like it if we posted any sarcasm
there.
On the other hand, fresh ideas and citizens are always welcomed, even if
more 'humble' at their arrival than you have been, so why don't you suggest
practical improvements (that are do-able)?
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
[mailto:pitrinius@mitdasein.com]
Verzonden: zondag 12 januari 2003 5:51
Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius)
ante diem III Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI. S. PITRINIUS TIBI SALUTEM:
> From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
> Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2003 02:41
> I suggest reading up on your Wilde, or perhaps
> Johnson, with a bit of Bierce thrown in for variety.
Hilarious.
Salve.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:56:33 +0100 |
|
Salve Diana,
I think there's a mistake at play here...
<<...I am wondering why are you so negative towards us ever since your very first post the other day on the SVR? >>
MOS: Under what name? Of newer members only one Philippos Helios made a posting, and he's from Switzerland. My friend Lupus informed me that Atheniensis is indeed a member of SVR (since yesterday) but made no posting there. You must be confusing him with someone else ;).
Vale bene!
Solaris
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: appointments in the Cohors Consulis CFQ |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:21:21 -0500 (EST) |
|
Master Scaevola;
I think perhaps that you may consider sir, that Senator Sulla, was
simply not aware of the term "client" as an insult. He seems, over the
years. to have been very much tied up with the term, and has apparenty
been so involved with seeking out and collecting "clients" under his
banner to satisfy some unnamed need, that he has forgotten (or never
realized) that the term "client" might be insulting to some citizens
here in Nova Roma.
It may well be that there are those in Nova Roma, who pride themselves
upon being a "client" of Senator Sulla. There are a wide variety of
personalities, after all, in N R, and I understand that Senator Sulla
has a very pursuasive demeanor in one-on-one situations when he wishes
to turn on the charm. He even has the ability, I am told, to make the
term "client" sound positively attractive.
I am not sure why he chooses to accuse the Honorable Senior Consul of
something which he himself has been so involved with, however, like
yourself, I have long ago given up any attempt to understand Senator
Sulla's, to me, rather strange determinations and intents.
Suffice it to say that, I am in complete agreement with you, that for
me, the term "client," as might be applied to myself, is not a term of
pride, endearment or respect in my eyes, and I should, be just as
insulted and disgusted by that application, as it seems that you are.
Welcome back to the world of the ground-pounders and land-lovers. I
trust hat your cruise was a pleasant one, and that you are fully relaxed
from your adventure. My thanks for your very extreme generosity in the
item that you sent, and I will reply to your personaal message
immediately, now that your communication problems are in the light of
being resolved.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!
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[Nova-Roma] Attention Voters: Invalid Voter Code |
| From: |
"aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:33:22 -0000 |
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The citizen with the following voter tracking
code has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:
#165
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code, follow the instructions posted previously
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTVM AEDILICIVM I - COHORS CURULE AEDILIS FRANCISCI APULI CAESARI |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:08:27 +0100 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
EDICTVM AEDILICIVM I - COHORS CURULE AEDILIS FRANCISCI APULI CAESARI
January 12, 2755
Ex Officio Curule Aedile Franciscus Apulus Caesar
I. This edictum estabilishes the creation of a Cohors Aedilis, the personal
staff of the Senior Curule Aedile helping me about the duties of my Office.
II. The Cohors Aedilis is divided in Officinae, specialized groups of
competent assistants. The Officinae are:
- Officina Ludorum: about the organization of Ludi, games, sports, awards,
etc.)
- Officina Iuridicialis: about the juridical tasks of the Curule Aedile
during the Ludi and the investigations of commercial and market crimes
- Officina Concursus: about the organization of live meetings
- Officina Archeologiae: about the study and projectation of archeological
live projects
III. Each Officina will have a Caput, the first Scriba chief of the group,
and Scribae.
The Cohors Aedilis will be coordinated by an assisting Quaestor.
IV. This Cohors shall assist me as Senior Curule Aedile and deal only with
me and each other on a close Yahoo!! mailing list.
V. The Cohors Aedilis will have an official website as headquarter and
presentation of the jobs. The official website of the Senior Curule Aedile
F. Apulus Caesar is at http://italia.novaroma.org/apulus
Here the Cohors Aedilis will publish the calendar of events, the news about
Ludi, the archeological projects, the last legal issues, etc. and all the
informations to contact the Staff.
VI. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
VII. Given at 12th January, in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTVM AEDILICIVM II - DESIGNATIO COHORTIS AEDILIS F. APULI CAESARI |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:11:49 +0100 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
EDICTVM AEDILICIVM II - DESIGNATIO COHORTIS AEDILIS F. APULI CAESARI
January 12, 2756
Ex Officio Senior Curule Aedile Franciscus Apulus Caesar
I. In accordance with the Edictum Aedilicium I, this edictum appoints my
personal assistants, members of the Cohors Aedilis. They'll assist me
personally in my job as competent citizens. Each of their will belong of a
Officina.
II. I hereby appoint Illustrus Manius Constantinus Serapio my personal
assisting Quaestor as coordinator of the Cohors Aedilis F. Apulus Caesar and
Caput Officina Iuridicalis.
III. I hereby appoint Illustrus Gnaeus Salix Galaicus "Scriba Aedilis
Ludorum Primus" - Caput Officina Ludorum (Ludi and games).
VI. I hereby appoint Illustrus Marcus Iulius Perusianus "Scriba Aedilis
Historicus Primus" - Caput Officina Archeologiae (History and archeological
projects).
V. I hereby appoint Illustrus Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius "Scriba Aedilis
Ludorum Secundus" - Officina Ludorum (Ludi and Naumachiae).
VI. I hereby appoint Illustra Gaia Fabia Livia "Scriba Aedilis Historica
Secunda" - Officina Archeologiae (History and archeological project).
VII. I hereby appoint Illustrus Caius Curius Saturninus "Scriba Aedilis
Ludorum" - Officina Ludorum (Technical support about games).
VIII. As Apparitores of Nova Roma they are asked to, within one week of
their
appointment, swear the public oath for Apparitores as indicated by the
Consulis Edictum de Iusiurando
Apparitorum.
The Oath must be published on the Nova Roma Roma Main List!
IX. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
X. Given at 12th January, in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Ancient Domains spam |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:50:42AM -0500, Patricia Cassia wrote:
Salve, Patricia Cassia -
> As Praetrix I sent a letter to the Ancient Domains people last night,
> politely asking that the spam be stopped.
<wince> Praetrix, I know that it was well-meant, but it was probably a
mistake. It is _never_ a good idea to reply to spammers; all it does is
confirm that yours is a valid email address, which immediately raises
its value on the lists that they sell to each other.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Only Important to Me |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:52:29 -0500 |
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 01:07:50PM -0600, Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> Salve Iulia Aenea,
>
> > I would like a picture by my name on the NR site, is this a special
> > privilege? Do I have to bribe someone with homemade baklava to get
> > this accomplished?
>
> Send the picture to Titus Octavius Pius (from@darkeye.net), the new
> Curator. Send the baklava to me.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
<fume> That's what I get for being off the Net for a while; I lose out
on home-made baklava. Sheesh, a guy can't take his eyes off the ball for
_one_ minute around here... :)
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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The honours change the customs. (Power corrupts.)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Lecture presented today on Roman Religion |
| From: |
Iulia Vopisca <iulia_uopisca@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:01:45 -0800 (PST) |
|
http://www.aztriad.com/religio1.html
Above is a link to the text of a lecture I presented this morning, on traditional Roman religion, before the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Yuma. It was very difficult to cover many areas of interest in a short time frame, and yet retain some balance and general interest, so I apologize for limitations in the scope of the presentation.
PACEM VENIAMQVE DEORVM TIBI EXOPTET IVLIA VOPISCA
http://www.aztriad.com/cybeleix.html
* MATRIS DEVM MAGNAE IDEAEAE SACERDOS FILIAQVE *
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Digest No 400 |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:38:54 -0500 |
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Salvete, Omnibus
Just a couple of short comments. Sorry for leaving so much of the original
text but I felt it was needed for context.
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:00:04 -0600 (CST)
> From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: An unlevel playing field.
>
> Salvete Senatores Luci Sicini et Deci Iuni,
>
> > I Concur with Decius Iunius that we should return to
> > use of a plurality to determine the outcome of an
> > election, though I would add that there needs to be a
> > threshold for a winning plurality.
>
> For once, I agree with both of you.
>
> The current system has been in place for about a year
> and a half... and almost every major election with multiple
> vacancies has had some problem since then. I think we
> should consider the absolute majority rule to be a worthwhile
> experiment that ultimately failed.
>
> > I Would suggest that the threshold be set at 40% of
> > the Centuries. In most cases this would result in at
> > least one of the canidates being elected.
>
> That's reasonable.
>
> Valete, Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://konoko.net/~haase/
L Equitius: I'm very pleased to see that a problem that has been identified
can be debated without personal rancor.
I want to also add my name to the list as supporting a change to lower
threshold and having the winner determined by the recipient of the most
votes.
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:21:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Size of signature files (was Century Points)
>
> Salve,
> My Problem with sig files stating titles is the legal
> implications. In Macronational Court cases
> organizations have been sued because a member of that
> organization made a personal statement on
> organizational letterhead or with an organzational
> title attached to a posting on a public forum.
>
> US Courts have ruled that this can be construed as
> speaking on behalf of the organization, rather than
> speaking as a private citizen.
>
> That is the reason my sig file states nothing more
> than my name and "Roman Citizen"
>
> I Would like to see all magistrates and citizens cease
> using titles in any posting other than offical
> postings on behalf of Nova Roma. My personal rule is
> if I post as a Propraetor or a Senator, then I'll use
> the title, If I post my personal views I omit any
> titles so that it is plain that it is nothing more
> than a personal opinion.
>
> --- "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>"
> <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > L. Sicinius Drusus writes, in part:
> >
> > > The only growth we have seen for some time is a
> > growth
> > > in the size of signiture files containing a list
> > of
> > > titles some citizens hold and since the first of
> > the
> > > year a growth in Nova Roma's bureaucracy, neither
> > of
> > > which I find desirable.
> >
> > My dear Drusus,
> >
> > There is no one here in NR whose Romanitas I hold in
> > higher
> > regard than your own, and I do understand a
> > preference for
> > simplicity in how we sign our posts. But really
> > sir...,
> > Perhaps you can take some small comfort in knowing
> > that
> > yours is one of the names I bring to mind as I think
> > about
> > each of my bureaucratic and magesterial actions.
> >
> > -- Marinus
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> Roman Citizen
I've got to say that I have often been bemused by those 'sig lines' that
seem to require a printed page before the actual text is inserted. Also, in
case no one has noticed I have always made the effort to distinguish between
"official" posts and those where I write my own thoughts, opinions and
personal answers to requests for information. I have never included a "list
of accomplishments", I would only include the title of office that was
appropriate to the missive.
Valete, Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:41:04 -0500 |
|
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 05:48:22PM -0800, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
Salve,
> Salve,
> Growth Caius Minucius?
>
> The only growth we have seen for some time is a growth
Who, pray tell, are you trying to gather in under that broad royal "we"?
_You_ may be inclined to see only what you wish to see; I see growth and
positive change in Nova Roma. Please speak for yourself, or let people
who believe as you do explicitly state that you speak for them.
> in the size of signiture files containing a list of
> titles some citizens hold and since the first of the
> year a growth in Nova Roma's bureaucracy, neither of
> which I find desirable.
And - let me see if I follow your logic correctly - the fact that you do
not see the improvement that you would like to see is... what, an excuse
to attack people who are trying to improve Nova Roma?
Quirites, can *anyone* here follow this, or am I the only one who's
missing this man's point?
The issue at hand, in case it requires restatement, is that two sore
losers are trying to drag down a man who is doing his best for Nova
Roma, and throwing off scattershot chaff - completely uncaring of whom
else they might injure in the process. If you're trying to defend them,
please feel free to hold forth *on the issue at hand*, and I will be
more than glad to address any questions you have. As it is - and I'll be
plain here - you're throwing mud and trying to obscure the point. Truth
to tell, I expected better of you.
> For some time we have had around 300 active citizens.
> That is the area where we need to grow, not in the
> number of people managing those 300 citizens.
And what, exactly, are you doing to promote growth in that area? Or is
mud-slinging the limit of what you're willing to do?
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Never despair!
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:56:28 -0500 |
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 09:29:27AM +0100, Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:
> Salve Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis ,
>
> At the risk of you posting another 'I'll use so many flowery words that no
> one will understand that I've insulted them' email, I am wondering why are
> you so negative towards us ever since your very first post the other day on
> the SVR? Unless you are a long lost citizen returned, you are new here (not
> on the Albium Gentium) or not even a citizen. Would you like it if one of us
> continually posted sarcasm to the http://www.mitdasein.com forum? Not
> everyone would find that that forum interesting and well, I don't think that
> anyone associated with that Forum would like it if we posted any sarcasm
> there.
>
> On the other hand, fresh ideas and citizens are always welcomed, even if
> more 'humble' at their arrival than you have been, so why don't you suggest
> practical improvements (that are do-able)?
Salve, Diana Moravia Aventina:
To quote the bit you were referring to -
> > From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
> > Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2003 02:41
>
> > I suggest reading up on your Wilde, or perhaps
> > Johnson, with a bit of Bierce thrown in for variety.
>
> Hilarious.
>
> Salve.
I actually did not find this negative, or insulting. I realize that it
could be interpreted in several ways, and had several choices of
interpretation:
1) Positive (He found the implicit humor dry, piquant, and well worth
the $120 per bottle.)
2) Negative (He was making a statement about the writing rather than the
content.)
3) Subtly political (He was making an ambiguous statement in order to
have a way out later when accused of either being positive or
negative.)
I chose 1, because <shrug> hey, life's too short to go around _assuming_
malice. There are too many idiots who are perfectly willing to make it
overt, and there's no need to add to their number.
<smile> But I do appreciate your speaking up.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Man is man's wolf.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:06:55 -0800 |
|
Avete Omnes,
Of course you do Caius Minucius, of course you do.
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
To: Diana Moravia Aventina
Cc: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius)
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 09:29:27AM +0100, Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:
> Salve Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis ,
>
> At the risk of you posting another 'I'll use so many flowery words that no
> one will understand that I've insulted them' email, I am wondering why are
> you so negative towards us ever since your very first post the other day on
> the SVR? Unless you are a long lost citizen returned, you are new here (not
> on the Albium Gentium) or not even a citizen. Would you like it if one of us
> continually posted sarcasm to the http://www.mitdasein.com forum? Not
> everyone would find that that forum interesting and well, I don't think that
> anyone associated with that Forum would like it if we posted any sarcasm
> there.
>
> On the other hand, fresh ideas and citizens are always welcomed, even if
> more 'humble' at their arrival than you have been, so why don't you suggest
> practical improvements (that are do-able)?
Salve, Diana Moravia Aventina:
To quote the bit you were referring to -
> > From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
> > Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2003 02:41
>
> > I suggest reading up on your Wilde, or perhaps
> > Johnson, with a bit of Bierce thrown in for variety.
>
> Hilarious.
>
> Salve.
I actually did not find this negative, or insulting. I realize that it
could be interpreted in several ways, and had several choices of
interpretation:
1) Positive (He found the implicit humor dry, piquant, and well worth
the $120 per bottle.)
2) Negative (He was making a statement about the writing rather than the
content.)
3) Subtly political (He was making an ambiguous statement in order to
have a way out later when accused of either being positive or
negative.)
I chose 1, because <shrug> hey, life's too short to go around _assuming_
malice. There are too many idiots who are perfectly willing to make it
overt, and there's no need to add to their number.
<smile> But I do appreciate your speaking up.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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[Nova-Roma] Attention Voters! Invalid Voter Code |
| From: |
"aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:10:26 -0000 |
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:16:05 -0800 (PST) |
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--- Caius Minucius Scaevola
<pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> And what, exactly, are you doing to promote growth
> in that area? Or is
> mud-slinging the limit of what you're willing to do?
>
1) Pointing out that the growth you were bragging
about is so far limited to the size of the Consualr
staff is hardly mud slinging.
2) One of the things that is hurting our growth
overheated politics. When the Issue of the size of the
Consular staffs was growing heated I approached the
Senators you are complaining about off list and
offered my view that they had made thier point, and
that continuing the discussion would harm thier cause.
Caius Minucius,
They have refrained from offering thier views for the
time being. You are the one who choose to reopen this
topic, and who choose to frame the reopened argument
in personal tones rather attempting a rational
discussion on the size of the Consular staffs.
If the Senators that you are attacking choose to
reenter this debate with the same kind of personal
arguments you have chosen as the venue, then you have
no one other than yourself to blame for this turn of
events.
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?[Nova-Roma]_Help_password?= |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?Q?sa-mann@libero.it?=" <sa-mann@libero.it> |
| Date: |
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> Salve Honorable Gallus Solaris Alexander!
>
> Write to the Censors <Censors@novaroma.org> to get your voter code!
> Or go to your own page:
> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4650 and log in as Gallus
> Solaris Alexander with your password.
>
Honarable Consul
the point is I lost my password, I forgot it.
What can I do?
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:05:24 -0500 |
|
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 12:16:05PM -0800, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
>
> --- Caius Minucius Scaevola
> <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > And what, exactly, are you doing to promote growth
> > in that area? Or is
> > mud-slinging the limit of what you're willing to do?
> >
>
> 1) Pointing out that the growth you were bragging
> about is so far limited to the size of the Consualr
> staff is hardly mud slinging.
"Bragging". Do you have a problem with reading comprehension, L.
Sicinius Drusus, or is it simply your inability to choose words that
make sense? I'm afraid that's still unclear. Feel free to point out
where I was "bragging about growth". And don't forget to look up the
definition of the word as well.
Railing against minor issues like the size of someone's signature in
order to distract attention from the real issues is what I call
mud-slinging. Now do you understand what I meant, or do you require
further explanation?
> 2) One of the things that is hurting our growth
> overheated politics. When the Issue of the size of the
> Consular staffs was growing heated I approached the
> Senators you are complaining about off list and
> offered my view that they had made thier point, and
> that continuing the discussion would harm thier cause.
>
> Caius Minucius,
> They have refrained from offering thier views for the
> time being.
They have offered enough of their views to be personally unpleasant and
to attack individuals within a group of which I am part. It is not up to
you to determine when a discussion will end; you may offer your
viewpoint to whomever you choose, and they may choose to follow you, but
that is not a sufficient condition. I choose to state my viewpoint as
opposed to theirs; whether you like it or not is not an issue of moment
to me.
> You are the one who choose to reopen this
> topic, and who choose to frame the reopened argument
> in personal tones rather attempting a rational
> discussion on the size of the Consular staffs.
I suppose it would be against the list rules to say that the above is an
outright lie, so I won't. *They* framed their arguments in personal
tones by including an insult in one case and sarcasm in the other.
> If the Senators that you are attacking choose to
> reenter this debate with the same kind of personal
> arguments you have chosen as the venue, then you have
> no one other than yourself to blame for this turn of
> events.
<laugh> I live in terror of the event. Remind them to bring _far_ better
artillery than your own command of the language.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Art is long, life is short.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: appointments in the Cohors Consulis CFQ |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:32:53 -0500 |
|
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 10:21:21AM -0500, MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
Salve, Marcus Minucius Audens -
> Master Scaevola;
>
> I think perhaps that you may consider sir, that Senator Sulla, was
> simply not aware of the term "client" as an insult. He seems, over the
> years. to have been very much tied up with the term, and has apparenty
> been so involved with seeking out and collecting "clients" under his
> banner to satisfy some unnamed need, that he has forgotten (or never
> realized) that the term "client" might be insulting to some citizens
> here in Nova Roma.
Since I've heard a bit of Senator Sulla's reputation and history, I
suspected that it may be something of the sort, and actually gave it
fair consideration. However...
As a metaphorical example, if a strange drunk on the street was to
address me as "his good buddy" in a fit of good fellowship and without
any ill intent, I'd either ignore him completely or deny the title.
However, if that same drunk was to then start pawing at any of my
friends who happened to be along, I would certainly respond in whatever
manner I found necessary to make him stop.
Senator Sulla is welcome to use whatever terms he chooses to those who
are willing to accept them; that is between him and them, and I suppose
that the "consenting adults" and "safe and sane" rules apply. However,
he needs to remember that whatever terms he may use familiarly are not
necessarily ones he may use to people he doesn't know in the world at
large; if it becomes necessary - as it has - I'm willing to remind him.
> It may well be that there are those in Nova Roma, who pride themselves
> upon being a "client" of Senator Sulla. There are a wide variety of
> personalities, after all, in N R, and I understand that Senator Sulla
> has a very pursuasive demeanor in one-on-one situations when he wishes
> to turn on the charm. He even has the ability, I am told, to make the
> term "client" sound positively attractive.
>
> I am not sure why he chooses to accuse the Honorable Senior Consul of
> something which he himself has been so involved with, however, like
> yourself, I have long ago given up any attempt to understand Senator
> Sulla's, to me, rather strange determinations and intents.
>
> Suffice it to say that, I am in complete agreement with you, that for
> me, the term "client," as might be applied to myself, is not a term of
> pride, endearment or respect in my eyes, and I should, be just as
> insulted and disgusted by that application, as it seems that you are.
I find it rather repellent; I suspect a number of other people so
slandered do as well.
> Welcome back to the world of the ground-pounders and land-lovers. I
> trust hat your cruise was a pleasant one, and that you are fully relaxed
> from your adventure.
Indeed I am, and thank you for your good wishes! St. Augustine is
beautiful, the sun shines brightly, and I'm happy to be here after the
many miles at sea.
> My thanks for your very extreme generosity in the
> item that you sent, and I will reply to your personaal message
> immediately, now that your communication problems are in the light of
> being resolved.
<smile> You're more than welcome; I hope you find it of use.
> A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
> white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
> gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
> flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
> Seas!!!
A .sig I've always appreciated, for obvious reasons...
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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It is sweet and glorious to die for one's country.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) |
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It is rather obivious that you have no intention of
discussing any issues, but simply wish to use this
forum to launch personal attacks against anyone who
disagrees with your political agenda.
If you wish to continue to harm your facton's cause by
such tatics then that is your problem Caius Minucius,
not mine.
If anyone from your faction wishes to engage in a
rational debate over what some of us consider the
excessive size of the Consular staff, then I shall be
happy to talk with them. Otherwise I have more
important things to do than attempt a debate with
someone who's postion seems so weak that they can only
defend it with insults and threats.
--- Caius Minucius Scaevola
<pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 12:16:05PM -0800, L.
> Sicinius Drusus wrote:
> >
> > --- Caius Minucius Scaevola
> > <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And what, exactly, are you doing to promote
> growth
> > > in that area? Or is
> > > mud-slinging the limit of what you're willing to
> do?
> > >
> >
> > 1) Pointing out that the growth you were bragging
> > about is so far limited to the size of the
> Consualr
> > staff is hardly mud slinging.
>
> "Bragging". Do you have a problem with reading
> comprehension, L.
> Sicinius Drusus, or is it simply your inability to
> choose words that
> make sense? I'm afraid that's still unclear. Feel
> free to point out
> where I was "bragging about growth". And don't
> forget to look up the
> definition of the word as well.
>
> Railing against minor issues like the size of
> someone's signature in
> order to distract attention from the real issues is
> what I call
> mud-slinging. Now do you understand what I meant, or
> do you require
> further explanation?
>
> > 2) One of the things that is hurting our growth
> > overheated politics. When the Issue of the size of
> the
> > Consular staffs was growing heated I approached
> the
> > Senators you are complaining about off list and
> > offered my view that they had made thier point,
> and
> > that continuing the discussion would harm thier
> cause.
> >
> > Caius Minucius,
> > They have refrained from offering thier views for
> the
> > time being.
>
> They have offered enough of their views to be
> personally unpleasant and
> to attack individuals within a group of which I am
> part. It is not up to
> you to determine when a discussion will end; you may
> offer your
> viewpoint to whomever you choose, and they may
> choose to follow you, but
> that is not a sufficient condition. I choose to
> state my viewpoint as
> opposed to theirs; whether you like it or not is not
> an issue of moment
> to me.
>
> > You are the one who choose to reopen this
> > topic, and who choose to frame the reopened
> argument
> > in personal tones rather attempting a rational
> > discussion on the size of the Consular staffs.
>
> I suppose it would be against the list rules to say
> that the above is an
> outright lie, so I won't. *They* framed their
> arguments in personal
> tones by including an insult in one case and sarcasm
> in the other.
>
> > If the Senators that you are attacking choose to
> > reenter this debate with the same kind of personal
> > arguments you have chosen as the venue, then you
> have
> > no one other than yourself to blame for this turn
> of
> > events.
>
> <laugh> I live in terror of the event. Remind them
> to bring _far_ better
> artillery than your own command of the language.
>
>
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
>
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> Ars longa, vita brevis.
> Art is long, life is short.
> -- Seneca, "De brevitate vitae"
>
=====
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Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[Nova-Roma]_Help_password?= |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:35:24 -0600 (CST) |
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Salve Galle Solaris,
Just hit the "Get Voter Code" button on your personal profile
page; it'll be mailed to you. No password is necessary.
Vale, Octavius.
> the point is I lost my password, I forgot it.
> What can I do?
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
http://konoko.net/~haase/
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:17:11 -0500 |
|
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 01:32:35PM -0800, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
> It is rather obivious that you have no intention of
> discussing any issues, but simply wish to use this
> forum to launch personal attacks against anyone who
> disagrees with your political agenda.
You are welcome to try to disguise your failed attempt to defend your
friends when you knew they were in the wrong by whatever means you
prefer. I had no specific political agenda to support, despite your (yet
again) intentional misunderstanding; in my opinion, a large staff is
neither good nor bad, but is an experiment which may result in benefit
to Nova Roma. Railing against it before it's had a chance to work is
pointless; insulting and trying to discredit the people involved is
graceless.
> If you wish to continue to harm your facton's cause by
> such tatics then that is your problem Caius Minucius,
> not mine.
No indeed; your problem is that you tried to set yourself as a defender
of something that was, in truth, indefensible.
> If anyone from your faction wishes to engage in a
> rational debate over what some of us consider the
> excessive size of the Consular staff, then I shall be
> happy to talk with them. Otherwise I have more
> important things to do than attempt a debate with
> someone who's postion seems so weak that they can only
> defend it with insults and threats.
"Threats"? Can you back that accusation, or is that just more wind?
I would have been happy to engage in _rational_ debate on the above
topic (while noting that this thread had long ago degenerated away from
that original point.) However, given your friends' methods of
"discussion" and your own habit of throwing around terms which you can't
support and your attempts at misdirection, I seriously doubt that you
are able to engage in such a discussion. Perhaps later, after you've
calmed down... and perhaps not with me, since you seem to have a
penchant for misconstruing what I say here.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Audentes fortuna iuvat.
Fortune favours the brave.
-- Vergil, "Aenis"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re:***This*** Message Deci Iuni: |
| From: |
"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:56:50 -0000 |
|
---P. Cornelia Decio Iunio Palladio Senator S.P.D.:
(waiting for Senator Palladius to get up off the floor from laughing
so hard at my words of yesterday)
I don't know if I *should apologize* for the numerical mistyping
which accompanied a post I made yesterday regarding this discourse of
yours. It seems to have provided you with a good laugh, which in
itself, I guess, is good for you. I am replying to the post I refer
to remove any further obscurity. It is below this message.
You continue to focus on the issue of my resignation. Why? As I
requested yesterday,may we *please* focus on the 'issues' I presented
yesterday in debate, rather than making a joke of the whole matter?
Admittedly, my departure from office is not a big deal. I made the
decision and that is that. Nova Roma will carry on I am quite sure,
and I am the first to admit that, and did so yesterday. Stop eluding
the real issue, please.
Quirites, if a candidate of a key position counters a response to a
citizen's concerns with a smart alec attitude, this just reaffirms
that said candidate may not be as committed to the office of Praetor
as he so postulates.
If I can't talk to a founder about potentially serious long range
ramifications of a lopsided constitution concerning civil rights and
the condoning by magistrates/senators of hatemongering texts in this
forum against Wiccans and Xtians,et al, without him making a big
joke, and eluding the issues, this is indeed sad.
This is a far worse mistake than my mistyping a message number.
I have to say this again. *If* we condone *ex officium* the heaping
of abuse on our citizens, then we need to change the verbage on the
mail website regarding discrimination and welcome.
I think of the parents of impuberes who read the above verbage, and
allow their children to join us, thinking we are guiding their kids
in the steps of virtue. To some extent we do well, but subjecting
them to hate mongers without officially stating that we do not hold
to their tactics, is tacitly siding with a warfare of hate.
Nova Roma is too good for that...even if you think this is all a
great big joke. Strange, I do not.
But alas, I am talking to the wall, I believe. I can also accept
this.
Pompeia.....
In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> Many people have lamented the situation of recent days, culminating
> with the resignation of one of our praetors. Citizens have said
that
> something in our system is lacking to allow this to happen. The
> system as set up now with the praetors in charge CAN respond
> adequately to problems in the public forums. The praetors were
> adequately empowered to deal with this "crisis"--if there was a
> crisis. What I saw were citizens engaged in a argument on a
sensitive
> topic; I found some of it offensive on BOTH sides of the argument
but
> I'm sorry, I don't expect the praetors to interfere to protect my
> feelings or the feelings of others. I saw nothing in the discussion
> to threaten the state. The crisis was that one of the praetors
became
> offended by the discussion herself and instead of trying to
moderate
> the discussion, RESIGNED. I do not consider this a crisis, we have
> had people resign, we will again. If some of our more respected
> citizens wish to withhold taxes because of that, so be it. It is
> their right but I think they are wrong to do so. I agree people
> should be more sensitive to the feelings of others but can this be
> forced by the government? I do not believe so.
>
> Valete,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
> Senator Consularis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Lucius Sicinius |
| From: |
"metamorphosis2003 <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca>" <metamorphosis2003@yahoo.ca> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:07:36 -0000 |
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Salvete Omnes:
I have no comment about the debate about the sig lines, with respect
to all parties concerned. Regarding the issues I am concerned with,
and with respect to the qualifications of L. Sicinius Drusus to be
Praetor, and to apply the law for the benefit of growth of Nova Roma,
I mourn the day he withdrew his candidacy.
He doesn't make a big joke out of serious matters, for one thing.
Pompeia
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:20:22 -0800 (PST) |
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--- Caius Minucius Scaevola
<pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
SNIP
>
> No indeed; your problem is that you tried to set
> yourself as a defender
> of something that was, in truth, indefensible.
>
Indefensible, Caius Minucius?
Have we reached the point where two Consulars
questioning the need for a staff that is larger than
all the staffs of the last few consuls combined is now
labeled as indefensible?
Have we reached the point of having Imperial officals?
Ones who's actions no citizen or Senator can question
without a barrage of insults from a staff member?
Caius Minucius, your conduct is doing more to convince
me that ther might be some substance to the charges
that the apointments were made for political reasons
than any of the arguments presented by Lucius
Cornelius or Quintus Fabius.
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Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: appointments in the Cohors Consulis CFQ |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:43:38 -0500 |
|
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 08:29:40PM -0000, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Diana Moravia Aventina writes:
>
> > My congratulations also to the rest of the new appointees to the
> > Cohors Consulis of CFQ!
>
> Thank you, fair Tribuna.
>
> > I will admit that so many new positions confuse me a bit,
> > but I am sure that everyone's duties will become clearer to me as
> > the year progresses.
>
> It's not that difficult. The accensi ordinari will do all the work,
> and the accensi superior like myself will take all the credit -- or
> blame. While the three officina have nice official sounding names,
> they're really the Surprise Party Department, the Practical Joke
> Department, and the Fairy Godmother Department.[1]
>
>
> -- Marinus, with tongue firmly in cheek
>
> 1. A spelt cake for the first person to identify the reference.
<snicker> Fortunately, you and I are well acquainted with all three. I
can't compete for the spelt cake since I wouldn't be the first, but I
can see my copy of Heinlein's "Glory Road" right across from where I
sit.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
Let him who wishes for peace prepare for war.
-- Vegetius. Often quoted as "Si vis pacem, para bellum".
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Lecture presented today on Roman Religion |
| From: |
Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:55:08 -0500 |
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I like your introduction! How was the lecture received, and do you plan
to do more of them?
-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org
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