| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Recent list activity |
| From: |
Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:01:44 -0500 |
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As Praetrix, at least for the time being, I remind you all that
informative, respectful posts about specific issues, rather than
people's attitudes, are more likely to lend dignitas and authority to
your presence in Nova Roma, and to help us move forward with the many
valuable opportunities we have to help our organization become better,
stronger, and more useful.
Humor is certainly not banned, but it is most effective in an
atmosphere of trust and good fellowship.
If someone's behavior annoys you, I offer you a daring option for
responding: Don't. Let the person's "bragging" or "joking" or
"attitude" stand for itself, and let others judge his or her dignitas
accordingly. By responding critically, you sink to the other's level.
If, instead, you focus on providing information and energy for the
benefit of Nova Roma, you are acting in the best spirit of Citizenship.
-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points (A Reply to Postumius) |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:18:12 -0500 |
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 03:20:22PM -0800, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
>
> --- Caius Minucius Scaevola
> <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> SNIP
> >
> > No indeed; your problem is that you tried to set
> > yourself as a defender
> > of something that was, in truth, indefensible.
> >
> Indefensible, Caius Minucius?
>
> Have we reached the point where two Consulars
> questioning the need for a staff that is larger than
> all the staffs of the last few consuls combined is now
> labeled as indefensible?
I'm beginning to become convinced that you are simply incapable of
understanding the written word. That, or you have your own political
agenda so firmly fixed in your mind that you are incapable of seeing
anything else. I used to believe that you had some sort of integrity -
certainly at least one person I know is sure of it - and would use it in
communication; that belief is rapidly disappearing, as you continually
try to twist my words to suit your purposes. You have also made a number
of statements that you were unable to back; these are not the acts of an
honest man.
Your friends' insults and sarcasm are insupportable and indefensible.
You have been huffing and puffing while standing on your rapidly eroding
dignity and trying to steer away from that central point - and yet it
remains, scream how you will.
> Have we reached the point of having Imperial officals?
> Ones who's actions no citizen or Senator can question
> without a barrage of insults from a staff member?
"Oh, tempora! Oh mores! What have we come to? Horrors, horrors I say!"
Give it up, L. Sicinius Drusus. Drama is clearly not your strong suit.
Neither, I'm afraid, is the ability to make a mountain out of - not even
a molehill - just pure hot wind.
> Caius Minucius, your conduct is doing more to convince
> me that ther might be some substance to the charges
> that the apointments were made for political reasons
> than any of the arguments presented by Lucius
> Cornelius or Quintus Fabius.
Your opinion's value has suffered a recent downward trend in the market;
as a result, our brokers no longer rate it as a blue-chip (quite another
kind of chips, actually). Whatever you're convinced of is strictly
between you and your ability to read and understand... and that seems to
be a poor source of information indeed.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Qui statuit aliquid parte inaudita altera, aequum licet statuerit.
One who passes sentence on something without having heard the other part isn't
just, even if the sentence is just.
-- Seneca Philosophus, Medea. Cf. "audietur et altera pars."
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: The Praetoral Elections: Some Comments on the Candidates |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:26:27 -0000 |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, Pompeia.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia
<scriba_forum@h...>" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
<<snipped>>
> Gnaeus Salix Astur:
>
> I have read your request to the populace to be elected. Might I
> suggest that if you wish to be elected, answering the mails of your
> constituents,whether patrician or plebian, political 'friend'
> or 'foe' as you perceive them, should be on your priority list,
> nonne? "Selective" representation is not responsible political
> behaviour, IMHO.
>
> I penned you on December 17 expressing some concerns with the
> Praetoral election, and with some issues I thought you would address
> as Tribunus Plebis. I can understand the priorities of the
> Saturnalia Season, and that you were away for a few days. It is now
> January 11, and I am not holding my breath for a response. I
> didn't mistype the addie. I addressed both you and Arminius. He
> had the courtesy, caring and responsiblity to answer my queries.
I did receive your message, but it seemed to refer to my ex-colleague
Marcus Arminius Maior. I did not know that the message was meant for
me as well.
Very often, people write a message to several tribuni at once, even
if some times they just want to address one of them. I thought that
it was that kind of message.
I beg your pardon. I misunderstood your intention.
<<snipped>>
> I guess I shall be voting for Marcus Arminius Maior.
An excellent choice, if I may say so :-).
CN·SALIX·ASTVR
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Astur for Praetor |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:37:27 -0000 |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, Marce Minuci.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, MarcusAudens@w... wrote:
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I am very pleased to make the determination to place my vote for
> Praetor in the box marked Astur. You may ask why I would do so (if
> interested) and my reply would be something like this:
<<snipped>>
Thank you very much, sir, for your support. It is certainly an honour
to hear all those kind words from someone who is not only well
respected in our community, but who, in my humble opinon, truly
deserves all that respect.
You have spoken of my few strong points, and you have not mentioned
my many weaknesses. I will strive to be up to your high expectatives;
on that, you can rely.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Lecture presented today on Roman Religion |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:47:41 -0000 |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, Iulia Vopisca.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Iulia Vopisca <iulia_uopisca@y...>
wrote:
>
> http://www.aztriad.com/religio1.html
>
> Above is a link to the text of a lecture I presented this morning,
on traditional Roman religion, before the Unitarian Universalist
Fellowship of Yuma. It was very difficult to cover many areas of
interest in a short time frame, and yet retain some balance and
general interest, so I apologize for limitations in the scope of the
presentation.
An interesting, even if brief, presentation.
Thank you, Iulia Vopisca!
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re:***This*** Message P. Cornelia |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:10:55 -0000 |
|
Salve P. Cornelia,
-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "metamorphosis2003
<metamorphosis2003@y...>" <metamorphosis2003@y...> wrote:
> ---P. Cornelia Decio Iunio Palladio Senator S.P.D.:
>
>
> (waiting for Senator Palladius to get up off the floor from
>laughing
> so hard at my words of yesterday)
Perhaps you should go back and reread my message and not jump to
conclusions. A smile :) is a smile, not ROFL. Maybe I should have
prefaced the :) with the word "gentle." I was a little confused as to
which message you were referring to, and had to look for it. "Ah,
found it, 4083 <gentle> :)" Would that have been better? You respond
to a 2 1/2 month old message like it was yesterday and expect me to
reply off the top of my head without having read it? I'm sorry you
misconstrued my intention.
> You continue to focus on the issue of my resignation. Why? As I
> requested yesterday,may we *please* focus on the 'issues' I
>presented yesterday in debate, rather than making a joke of the
whole matter?
No joke was made about anything and I'm sorry you took it that way.
Your resignation was the issue at hand in the message of mine you
quoted and I simply clarified what I said with (quoting my email of
yesterday):
"That may be how you feel. However, My statement was not a legal
statement or a legal opinion, nor was it meant to be. It was a
general commentary in response to the dismay evident among some
citizens after your resignation. My essential point was that the
resignation of one magistrate, no matter how popular, was not a
crisis."
> If I can't talk to a founder about potentially serious long range
> ramifications of a lopsided constitution concerning civil rights
>and the condoning by magistrates/senators of hatemongering texts in
>this forum against Wiccans and Xtians,et al, without him making a
>big joke, and eluding the issues, this is indeed sad.
I am not eluding any issue, it wasn't the issue you raised and it
wasn't the topic of my original email you referenced. My main concern
at the time was the general reaction to your resignation, not why you
left. Until now you have never talked to me about "potentially
serious long range ramifications of a lopsided constitution
concerning civil rights...et al" and frankly I have no opinion yet on
how or if this issue should be addressed. I understand it is of
concern to you, and am of course willing to hear your views but I can
make no promises that I will agree with them.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: appointments in the Cohors Consulis CFQ |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:15:22 -0800 |
|
Avete Caius Minucius et Omnes,
I just wanted to point out that of course you are more than welcome to come to any conclusion about me that you desire. However, that conclusion will not be complete unless you take an opportunity to actually talk to me and we share correspondence.
If you do wish to take the time to contact me I am available via email, AIM, ICQ, MSN and Yahoo. All of my contact information is available via the IM database.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: appointments in the Cohors Consulis CFQ
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 10:21:21AM -0500, MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
Salve, Marcus Minucius Audens -
> Master Scaevola;
>
> I think perhaps that you may consider sir, that Senator Sulla, was
> simply not aware of the term "client" as an insult. He seems, over the
> years. to have been very much tied up with the term, and has apparenty
> been so involved with seeking out and collecting "clients" under his
> banner to satisfy some unnamed need, that he has forgotten (or never
> realized) that the term "client" might be insulting to some citizens
> here in Nova Roma.
Since I've heard a bit of Senator Sulla's reputation and history, I
suspected that it may be something of the sort, and actually gave it
fair consideration. However...
As a metaphorical example, if a strange drunk on the street was to
address me as "his good buddy" in a fit of good fellowship and without
any ill intent, I'd either ignore him completely or deny the title.
However, if that same drunk was to then start pawing at any of my
friends who happened to be along, I would certainly respond in whatever
manner I found necessary to make him stop.
Senator Sulla is welcome to use whatever terms he chooses to those who
are willing to accept them; that is between him and them, and I suppose
that the "consenting adults" and "safe and sane" rules apply. However,
he needs to remember that whatever terms he may use familiarly are not
necessarily ones he may use to people he doesn't know in the world at
large; if it becomes necessary - as it has - I'm willing to remind him.
> It may well be that there are those in Nova Roma, who pride themselves
> upon being a "client" of Senator Sulla. There are a wide variety of
> personalities, after all, in N R, and I understand that Senator Sulla
> has a very pursuasive demeanor in one-on-one situations when he wishes
> to turn on the charm. He even has the ability, I am told, to make the
> term "client" sound positively attractive.
>
> I am not sure why he chooses to accuse the Honorable Senior Consul of
> something which he himself has been so involved with, however, like
> yourself, I have long ago given up any attempt to understand Senator
> Sulla's, to me, rather strange determinations and intents.
>
> Suffice it to say that, I am in complete agreement with you, that for
> me, the term "client," as might be applied to myself, is not a term of
> pride, endearment or respect in my eyes, and I should, be just as
> insulted and disgusted by that application, as it seems that you are.
I find it rather repellent; I suspect a number of other people so
slandered do as well.
> Welcome back to the world of the ground-pounders and land-lovers. I
> trust hat your cruise was a pleasant one, and that you are fully relaxed
> from your adventure.
Indeed I am, and thank you for your good wishes! St. Augustine is
beautiful, the sun shines brightly, and I'm happy to be here after the
many miles at sea.
> My thanks for your very extreme generosity in the
> item that you sent, and I will reply to your personaal message
> immediately, now that your communication problems are in the light of
> being resolved.
<smile> You're more than welcome; I hope you find it of use.
> A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
> white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
> gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
> flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
> Seas!!!
A .sig I've always appreciated, for obvious reasons...
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.
It is sweet and glorious to die for one's country.
-- Horace, "Carmina"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???) |
| From: |
"Marilde Goliardi Perdomo" <gmarilde@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 05:14:23 -0300 |
|
Salvete amici,
Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my Roman
Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm furious),
the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and formerly
known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course for many
others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there were many
raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some mathematical
stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera have Hindu
roots, that's not a news.
But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate from
Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."
Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS NOT
ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!
Thank you very much.
Valeria Constatina Iuliana.
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Manusamhita Law (???) |
| From: |
"Scott <penggao2@yahoo.com>" <penggao2@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:13:04 -0000 |
|
As my first message here, I can tell you that that statement is not
true. I am currently in China and the Chinese will gladly tell you
that most things in the world are Chinese too. But what the Chinese
don't realize is that they borrowed a lot from the Arabs through the
Southern Silk Roads. We all borrow and learn from each other; but
here is a link to an OK translation of said book, please read for
yourself. http://oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk4.html#1
Secundus (Avisius) Apollinarius
PS: I am going on vacation and probably will not be able to read your
responces till I get back.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marilde Goliardi Perdomo"
<gmarilde@h...> wrote:
> Salvete amici,
>
> Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my
Roman
> Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm
furious),
> the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and
formerly
> known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course
for many
> others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there
were many
> raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some
mathematical
> stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera
have Hindu
> roots, that's not a news.
> But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate
from
> Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
> manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."
>
> Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS
NOT
> ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!
>
> Thank you very much.
> Valeria Constatina Iuliana.
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] signatures |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:16:31 +0100 |
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Salve L. Sicinius Drusus,
> I Would like to see all magistrates and citizens cease
< using titles in any posting other than offical
< postings on behalf of Nova Roma. My personal rule is
< if I post as a Propraetor or a Senator, then I'll use
< the title, If I post my personal views I omit any
< titles so that it is plain that it is nothing more
< than a personal opinion.
Actually, I think this is a good idea. I have often wondered how people
would tell if I were just posting to this list or posting something speaking
more as a Tribune (such as for example something simple like 'everyone
should vote'). In any case, I won't steal your 'Roman Citizen' line :-), but
I will leave off the title when I am posting a rather chatty email like this
one.
As an extra benefit, the lesser use of titles would certainly shorten most
messages and probably be appreciated by those who read these emails via the
daily digest.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Reply to MOS was: Century Points |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:29:04 +0100 |
|
Salve Solaris,
DMA to SPA: <<...I am wondering why are you so negative towards us ever
since your very first post the other day on the SVR? >>
< MOS to DMA:I think there's a mistake at play here...
< MOS to DMA: Under what name?
Umm, under the name Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis (the person that the
original email was addressed to).
>Of newer members only one Philippos Helios made a posting, and he's <from
Switzerland. My <friend Lupus informed me that Atheniensis is indeed a
member of SVR (since <yesterday) but made <no posting there. You must be
confusing him with someone else ;).
Honestly, I don't understand the above sentences. I think that you have
misunderstood my email, which is my fault. I've just noticed that my email
wasn't well-written and contained a redundant sentence (I forgot to delete
it before sending it :-(.
In any case, if you are still unsure of what I meant, just ask!
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Only Important to Me, Etc. |
| From: |
"aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:54:32 -0000 |
|
Well, since Yahoo isn't letting me into my mailboc this morning
(casts dignitas to the wind and sticks tongue out at Yahoo), I
thought I would drop a quick line to Musa...
Until I read your message, I thought I was incorruptible. Then you
mentioned homemade baklava.
Now THAT's what I call a bribe! (g) Money is so unimaginative, and
it tastes awful with filo pastry....
---
Renata
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points and the Roman work ethic |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:51:45 -0500 |
|
On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 02:35:34PM +0000, 3s@hsk-net.de wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> Are century points really a stimulation for the citizens to involve
> themselves in administrative positions? I don?t think so. As in all
> organizations based on voluntary membership, you have a larger
> proportion of inactive members and a minor proportion of dedicated and
> motivated ones.
>
> The last fraction will involve without further rewards, simply because
> they want become involved and dedicate themselves to the organization.
> This is, btw, laso roman sense. In ancient times, as today,
> magistracies are not paid.
Salve, Caius Flavius Diocletianus:
I agree. When I signed up to help Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, there was
no discussion of century points; it was somewhat of a surprise to me
when I saw it brought up here. I don't know whether I'm entitled to earn
any as an Accensus Ordinarius, and truth to tell, the issue doesn't
concern me overmuch. If it ever becomes a sticking point in the
discussion of the Cohors - why, I'll happily skip them if I am entitled
to any; despite random sarcastic comments, I enjoy doing this job for
its own sake and for the knowledge that I'm contributing to the growth
and improvement of Nova Roma.
As a parallel, let me point out that I've been a Contributing Editor and
a member of The Answer Gang at the Linux Gazette for a number of years
now, and have written many articles for publication in various Open
Source media; I have done all of this without payment - except in the
coin of the realm of Open Source, reputation and respect.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Mens agitat molem.
The mind moves the matter.
-- Vergil, "Aenis"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] ASTUR FOR PRAETOR !!!!! |
| From: |
"Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:57:03 -0000 |
|
AVETE NOVAROMANI
I strongly support Illustris Gnaeus Salix Astur as Praetor. I knew
him about two years ago and he has always been a great worker, not
only at an international level! He offered his help while Provincia
Italia was growing, and I really must thank him for this! ;-)
In addition you all know his strong work as Tribunus Plebis.
He is the right person for the position of Praetor! I know he will
keep his dedication!
OPTIME VALETE OMNES
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
--------------------------------
Qvaestor
Accensvs Senior Primvs Consvlis Senioris
Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Dominvs Factionvm Praesinae
Scriba Translationvm Academiae Thvles
Scriba Arenae et Sermonis Societatis Ivventvtis Romanae
--------------------------------
PROVINCIA ITALIA
http://italia.novaroma.org
--------------------------------
AFRICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
http://www.geocities.com/africa_septentrionalis/index.html
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Factions? Where? |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:38:37 +0000 (GMT) |
|
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.
I've noticed recently a number of references to
'factions' (also a few to 'alliances' - I'm not sure
if these are the same thing). As I'm relatively new
around here, I just wanted to make a couple of
requests.
First, could someone please tell me whether I'm in one
or more factions? This seems an important piece of
information, as when people refer to a particular
'faction' in an unfavourable manner, I'm never sure
whether I ought to be insulted or not; and likewise
when someone addresses a question to a faction,
whether I ought to answer. I'm not aware of having
signed anything, or made any alliances with anyone,
but perhaps these are groups one is automatically
assigned to, like tribes?
Second, for the benefit of those like me who are not
in the know, could people please specify, when
referring to a faction, which one they mean and what
its principal characteristics are, and perhaps also
how to join / leave it?
Many thanks,
Cordus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Have You Voted? |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:57 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete Quirites,
Praetor is one of the most important offices in Nova
Roma. If the Consuls are absent for some reason or
another the Praetors fullfil the duties of the
Consuls. They research and interpit our laws. They
modarate this list.
Last of all election to Praetor incurs elevation to
the Senate. Two of the Canidates are allready
Senators, one is not, so Quirites your choice of
Praetors will also decide if Nova Roma will add a new
member to the Senate.
Quirites, if you haven't allready voted please do so
today.
L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???) |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:50:03 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve,
In the present era the influances of western cultures
are being felt throughout the world. Proponants of non
western cultural traditions are becoming increasingly
strident about pointing out the contributions that
other cultures have made to the world. This sense of
cultural pride sometimes lapses into wishful thinking.
The smallest hint that something might have happened
suddenly becomes "proof" that it occured. The idea
that the Romans took thier law from the manusamhita is
an example of this kind of wishful thinking.
--- Marilde Goliardi Perdomo <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Salvete amici,
>
> Some days ago I read in a magazine something that
> hurt deeply my Roman
> Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist
> (yes, I'm furious),
> the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami,
> German born and formerly
> known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him,
> and of course for many
> others: everything comes from India. Well, we all
> know that there were many
> raports between the Classical World and India:
> numbers, some mathematical
> stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and
> thoughts et cetera have Hindu
> roots, that's not a news.
> But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said
> and I quotate from
> Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use
> come from the
> manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in
> Cyprus."
>
> Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell
> me THAT THIS IS NOT
> ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!
>
> Thank you very much.
> Valeria Constatina Iuliana.
>
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
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> Messenger:
> http://messenger.microsoft.com/es
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Century Points and the Roman work ethic |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:43:22 EST |
|
In a message dated 1/13/03 6:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com writes:
> why, I'll happily skip them if I am entitled
> to any; despite random sarcastic comments, I enjoy doing this job for
> its own sake and for the knowledge that I'm contributing to the growth
> and improvement of Nova Roma.
>
Which I believe should be reward enough in itself. If one wants to see this
thing of our succeed we must realize that a lot of hard work with little or
no reward is the likely prospect. Our reward will be from future NR
citizens, who will thank us for preserving and sacrificing for this project
in order for it to be a success.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Factions? Where? |
| From: |
"aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:46:45 -0000 |
|
Salve, Corde--I'm not entirely certain what the factiones are,
myself, but as a rogator, I would simply say that there are no such
things in Nova Roma as official voting factions that citizens are
pigeon-holed itno.
If there are unofficial factions, then you would only be a part of
one if you chose to be. If you do not choose to identify yourself as
belonging to any sort of faction, then you won't be part of one.
I know, clear like mud. But I hope it does help you a little. As
far as I'm concerned, 'factiones' are rival groups of chariot racing
fans. (g)
Vale,
---
Renata Corva
Rogatrix
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<cordus@s...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> I've noticed recently a number of references to
> 'factions' (also a few to 'alliances' - I'm not sure
> if these are the same thing). As I'm relatively new
> around here, I just wanted to make a couple of
> requests.
>
> First, could someone please tell me whether I'm in one
> or more factions? This seems an important piece of
> information, as when people refer to a particular
> 'faction' in an unfavourable manner, I'm never sure
> whether I ought to be insulted or not; and likewise
> when someone addresses a question to a faction,
> whether I ought to answer. I'm not aware of having
> signed anything, or made any alliances with anyone,
> but perhaps these are groups one is automatically
> assigned to, like tribes?
>
> Second, for the benefit of those like me who are not
> in the know, could people please specify, when
> referring to a faction, which one they mean and what
> its principal characteristics are, and perhaps also
> how to join / leave it?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Cordus
>
> =====
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Consular Staff |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:24:10 -0500 (EST) |
|
Citizens of Nova Roma;
In regard to the problems of the subject topic raised by some Senators,
I personnally cannot see a problem with any Consul having a Staff to
assist him in determining the answers to concerns of the micronation.
The Consuls were elected by the people, presumably with the trust of the
people, and how they manage thier office, it seems to me to be left up
to them,within reason. A staff to assist in making important
determinations seems to me to be extremely reasonable, in that there is
a large variety of people, views, aims, culture and beliefs to consider
in such actions in Nova Roma.
During my Consulship, I was pleased to have gathered around me a staff
of seven Accensi whom I was pleased to ask for both specialized and
generalized opinions, advice and comments. Specialized in the areas of
financial, political, religious, cultural, and administrative areas.
Generalized in the aspect that all of these people, at that time, were
very active in NR and were knowledgable in the general aspects of the
micronation, and were certainly expert in thier specialized
designations.
There was an Accensus Major appointed to collect information, and carry
out an administrative program, that would allow me to gain the comments
and advice of these Accensi, and to provide me with historical records
of thier responses and my subsequent decisions. I am both pleased and
proud to say that these Accensi included one Senator at the time, and
later 3 Senators, and two ProPraetors. I did not make any significat
announcement of my appointments in this area, nor did I list notation of
what each person was to do, how they were to do it and why. Nor did I
"award" any Century Points until the end of my Consulship. I required
of them only the informal pledge that they would do thier best for me,
in the position agreed upon, and that at the end of my Consulship, if
thier efforts lived up to thier agreement, I would speak in thier behalf
should they desire to undetake futher offices in Nova Roma. This
promise was carried out.
This staff was a great assistance to me, in that I was serving as
Consul, with Senator Maximus who is a very intelligent and world-wise
gentleman, much cleverer than I, and much more used to political
interplay. I did not wish to embarrass myself to this gentleman, and I
trust that I did not do so, thanks in goodly part to those of my staff.
Senior Consul Quintillianus, now comes before you to accomplish a
similar situation, in that he too is serving as Consul with a proven man
of integrity and wisdom. The difference here is that being basically an
honest man Senior Consul Quintillianus has announced his staff to you
the Citizens of Nova Roma, thus opening the way for criticism from those
who perhaps did not feel that they needed such assistance or that
perhaps they had not thought of such in thier turn, and were just a tad
jealous. Both a possibility, I suppose.
We all tend to learn our craft from experience, and Senior Consul
Quintillianus' experience has been as an Aedile. He has done a fine
job, and he did it with the assistance of several citizens who had some
great ideas, and the ability to carry them out. The factor here is not
totally what the individual Magistrate can do or think of, but rather
what can be accomplished by those who embrace the ideals of the leader
around whom they congregate. As Andrew Carnegie, a very successful
American industrialist, admitteed in the twilight of his life, "it is
not my intelligence which was so impressive, but rather that of those
with whom I surround myself", or words to that effect. Just as I was
proud to do, in my turn, in allowing people who had good ideas and great
ability to exercise those ideas for the benefit of Nova Roma, I believe
that such is also the idea in part for the Senior Consul's Staff, in
addition to providing him with a well-rounded view of each concern with
which he must deal as a Consul. I find no fault with wanting to view
all sides of a problem or opportunity before making a decision on such.
It is my belief that every country in the world has such a set of
advisors by whatever name they enjoy.
In the matter of Century Points, it has been pointed out previously,
that the whole idea needs to be looked at, since there have been both
very critical posts regarding such, as well as some very good ideas and
questions arising out of it's present administration. While I do not
serve as a member of the Senior Consul's Staff, it is my understanding
that the Century Point situation is under strong cnsideration, and a
possible overhaul, just as the equally long-promised Civil Law Code is
currently under consideration as well.
I have made suggestions to the Honored Senior Consul, and have been
honored by his promise to include these suggestions on his list of
concerns. Certainly those of his Staff who will look at these ideas,
will have the advantage of a new outlook, and new thoughts on these
concerns, as well as being able to politely inquire as to my views and
perhaps some of the history surrounding these ideas. This has already
happened to some extent, and I see no harm in this. Further, I see a
great advantage in having sharp, and clever young men and women review
these concerns in the light of thier knowledge and expertise before
taking an action which might make enemies of more people than it helps,
as has happened in the past.
I follow exacty the same administrative road in the two Sodalitas,which
I have had the honor to found, and while a Sodalitas is not to be
compared with a micronation's policies and administration, I certainly
am pleased to be on occasion reminded, cautioned, made aware, and
recieve various concerns, which I have not considered. This, as well
as, ideas, and a great deal of work, beyond what I can personnally bring
to Nova Roma, which is ultimately beneficial to both the Sodalitas, and
in the long run, to Nova Roma.
In closing, I do not think that Nova Roma has yet entered the "Imperial
Aspect" as our continuous efforts at making fair elections occur
certainly shows. Further, there is now and has been for the length of
NR's history, a strong factor of argument on this List, which would
indicate that each Citizen and those who are visiting even, have the
right o enter thier views. Again certainly not an "Imperial" view by
any means. It is also recognized that there are those in Nova Roma who
are skilled at political innuendo, and manuvering, and whose life seems
to be incomplete without having some political office in which to wield
an influence. Just as remarkably, there are the new Citizens who have
proven themselves, in a variety of areas, and who wish to have a chance
to make a difference in Nova Roma as the micornation grows.
I am all for criticism of a situation, if it is to my mind, warranted.
I have proven that over the years, and I am not likely to change now.
However, I like to offer my criticisms to the one or two or three
persons privately, as the case may be, before criticizing someone's
ideas or actions before the whole micronation. The Senior Consul has
been most responsive to both my ideas and my criticisms, and has
responded to my communications politely and explained his views
concisely and plainly. I am sure that he would be willing to do so,
with other critics if given the courtesy to do so.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Toga Question |
| From: |
"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:24:06 -0500 |
|
Salvete,
I have a question regarding the adornment of togas and Nova Roman
protocol. Would only Senators wear the broad striped Toga Praetexta,
while other magistrates wear the narrow stripe? Or would any magistrate
with holding Imperium wear the broad stripe? What about provincial
magistrates? I realize the historical model probably isn't a perfect fit
for NR. Has anyone come up with the official line on this?
Valete,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes
Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Please VOTE! |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:39:45 +0100 |
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Salvete Quirites!
The on going election is very important and I can only hope that most
of You my fellow-citizens will vote so that we may get this _second_
run-off election to an end with at least one Praetor elected. I have
listened to the suggestions that have been made and will put forward
a proposal for a change of the election law of the Comitia Centuriata
as soon as both of the Praetors are elected. I choose to not do it
before this election is completed so that all candidates would get
the same chance.
To all citizens - please VOTE!
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Toga Question |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:48:34 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@s...>
wrote:
> Salvete,
Salve,
> I have a question regarding the adornment of togas and Nova Roman
> protocol. Would only Senators wear the broad striped Toga Praetexta,
> while other magistrates wear the narrow stripe? Or would any
>magistrate with holding Imperium wear the broad stripe? What about
>provincial magistrates? I realize the historical model probably
>isn't a perfect fit for NR. Has anyone come up with the official
>line on this?
As I recall, generally the toga praetexta was worn by consuls and
praetors; senators who previously held those offices continued to
wear the toga praetexta after they left those offices. Other senators
who had never held either office did not wear it but had the latus
clavus on their tunics and a plain toga over it.
There has been no official line put forth on this about provincial
officers who have not previously been either a praetor or consul. A
reasonable rule I would say is that while you are a propraetor, you
are entitled to wear it since within your province you have
praetorian rank. After stepping down you probably would not be
entitled to wear it. Just my opinion.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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