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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Factions?
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:05:36 -0500 (EST)

Cordus;

>From time to time in any organization, there will emerge a person or
persons of such a personality, as to have people rally to them and
generally espouse thier cause or style. In Nova Roma as in other
soceties, we have had our "factions" who were a collection of like
people who all wanted something close to the same thing. In time, these
factions can and have in other governments turned into political
parties, or into political causes to insure a certain standard or in
many cases to support some kind of a change. Generally speaking these
are political, cultural, or religious changes. One could say that the
Protestant Movement came about as a "faction" of those who supported
Martin Luther's questioning theses,

In ancient Rome as in Italy today there are competitive "factions,"
which are very like sporting factions in other countries. The faction
to which I am partial is the "Greens." I asked the same question as you
have when I first involved myself with the "greens" and in races and
games, and the like, the faction is a color, and in some cases in the
later empire, I am given to understand, the "color" factions also had
something to do with political desires or ideas as well. However,
generally these "color" factions are very much like rooting for your
favorite Soccor or Baseball, or other sports team. When next I appear
in a Roman reenactment, I hope to fly my "green" flag, so that All will
know that I am a "Green!!!!!"

The term "faction" as applied to politics, generally centers around a
persons or persons who espouse a certain cause or idea. Those who
support that idea with discussion, votes, financial support, etc. are
normally labeled as member of that "faction" usually by thier opponents.
In the political history of the U.S. were the "Know Nothings," "Whigs,"
"Copperheads," "Ku Klux Klan," all of whom started as a "faction" and
which grew into a political entity, encompassing many people, and
changed the history of our country by so doing. Each nation in thier
history will have sucj situations and people. The idea of being a
member of a "faction (political)" can be seen as negative, because it
pigeon-holes a person as one who cannot think for him / herself, in some
cases. This is generally considered to be of a lesser stature than one
who joins a faction. The truth of that consideration is still to be
proven.

People who throw the term "faction" around in a political sense,
sometimes do so as an insult to another person whom they see as an
opponent.
or as someone over whom they hope to gain some accendancy by indicating
that the opponent does not have the ability to think independently. It
is a difficult thing to pick out, as to what is being determined at any
individual conversation, and to me at least, is usually dependent upon
the person who is taliking to or about me.

I hope this helps. Thank you for the opportunity to get my ideas
straight in my head. I am not much of a political animal, as many will
be more than pleased to inform you (Grin!!!!!!!!!!).

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Already away
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:24:00 -0300

Salvete omnes
>From now on, I am away. Most probably I'll be back about February 5th or 6th.
Bene valete

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:12:34 -0600

I read somewhere that Jesus went to India, where he studied Buddhism

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salvete amici,

Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my Roman
Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm furious),
the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and formerly
known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course for many
others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there were many
raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some mathematical
stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera have Hindu
roots, that's not a news.
But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate from
Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."

Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS NOT
ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!

Thank you very much.
Valeria Constatina Iuliana.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:17:48 -0500

Salve Oh how drool Basilicatus
Tiberius
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From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

I read somewhere that Jesus went to India, where he studied Buddhism

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From: Marilde Goliardi Perdomo
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:14 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salvete amici,

Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my Roman
Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm furious),
the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and formerly
known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course for many
others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there were many
raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some mathematical
stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera have Hindu
roots, that's not a news.
But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate from
Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."

Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS NOT
ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!

Thank you very much.
Valeria Constatina Iuliana.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:21:07 -0600

"drool"?

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From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salve Oh how drool Basilicatus
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

I read somewhere that Jesus went to India, where he studied Buddhism

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----- Original Message -----
From: Marilde Goliardi Perdomo
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:14 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salvete amici,

Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my Roman
Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm furious),
the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and formerly
known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course for many
others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there were many
raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some mathematical
stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera have Hindu
roots, that's not a news.
But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate from
Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."

Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS NOT
ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!

Thank you very much.
Valeria Constatina Iuliana.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:21:57 -0600

The word "drool" has 4 different senses:
Noun:
1.. communication: Pretentious or silly talk or writing.
2.. body: Saliva spilling from the mouth.
Verb:
1.. emotion: Be envious, desirous, eager for, or extremely happy about something.
2.. body: Let saliva drivel from the mouth.
Pronunciation:
a.. d r uw1 l
drool > Senses > noun (communication) > 1
Meaning:
Pretentious or silly talk or writing.
Broader:
a.. nonsense
b.. nonsensicality
c.. meaninglessness
d.. hokum
Synonyms:
a.. baloney
b.. boloney
c.. bilgewater
d.. bosh
e.. humbug
f.. taradiddle
g.. tarradiddle
h.. tommyrot
i.. tosh
j.. twaddle
drool > Senses > noun (body) > 2
Meaning:
Saliva spilling from the mouth.
Broader:
a.. saliva
b.. spit
c.. spittle
Synonyms:
a.. dribble
b.. drivel
c.. slobber
drool > Senses > verb (emotion) > 1
Meaning:
Be envious, desirous, eager for, or extremely happy about something.
Generic frame:
a.. Somebody ----s PP
Typical use:
a.. Sam and Sue drool over the results of the experiment
Broader:
a.. covet
Synonyms:
a.. salivate
drool > Senses > verb (body) > 2
Meaning:
Let saliva drivel from the mouth.
Generic frame:
a.. Somebody ----s
Examples:
a.. "The baby drooled"
Broader:
a.. salivate
Synonyms:
a.. drivel
b.. slabber
c.. slaver
d.. slobber
e.. dribble
See also:
a.. drool over
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salve Oh how drool Basilicatus
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

I read somewhere that Jesus went to India, where he studied Buddhism

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----- Original Message -----
From: Marilde Goliardi Perdomo
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:14 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salvete amici,

Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my Roman
Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm furious),
the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and formerly
known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course for many
others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there were many
raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some mathematical
stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera have Hindu
roots, that's not a news.
But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate from
Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."

Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS NOT
ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!

Thank you very much.
Valeria Constatina Iuliana.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:49:06 -0500

Salve a British term almost funny

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From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:25 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

"drool"?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salve Oh how drool Basilicatus
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

I read somewhere that Jesus went to India, where he studied Buddhism

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From: Marilde Goliardi Perdomo
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:14 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salvete amici,

Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my Roman
Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm furious),
the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and formerly
known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course for many
others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there were many
raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some mathematical
stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera have Hindu
roots, that's not a news.
But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate from
Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."

Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS NOT
ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!

Thank you very much.
Valeria Constatina Iuliana.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:51:45 -0500

See and they said you never know what you are talking about GRIN
tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:24 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

The word "drool" has 4 different senses:
Noun:
1.. communication: Pretentious or silly talk or writing.
2.. body: Saliva spilling from the mouth.
Verb:
1.. emotion: Be envious, desirous, eager for, or extremely happy about something.
2.. body: Let saliva drivel from the mouth.
Pronunciation:
a.. d r uw1 l
drool > Senses > noun (communication) > 1
Meaning:
Pretentious or silly talk or writing.
Broader:
a.. nonsense
b.. nonsensicality
c.. meaninglessness
d.. hokum
Synonyms:
a.. baloney
b.. boloney
c.. bilgewater
d.. bosh
e.. humbug
f.. taradiddle
g.. tarradiddle
h.. tommyrot
i.. tosh
j.. twaddle
drool > Senses > noun (body) > 2
Meaning:
Saliva spilling from the mouth.
Broader:
a.. saliva
b.. spit
c.. spittle
Synonyms:
a.. dribble
b.. drivel
c.. slobber
drool > Senses > verb (emotion) > 1
Meaning:
Be envious, desirous, eager for, or extremely happy about something.
Generic frame:
a.. Somebody ----s PP
Typical use:
a.. Sam and Sue drool over the results of the experiment
Broader:
a.. covet
Synonyms:
a.. salivate
drool > Senses > verb (body) > 2
Meaning:
Let saliva drivel from the mouth.
Generic frame:
a.. Somebody ----s
Examples:
a.. "The baby drooled"
Broader:
a.. salivate
Synonyms:
a.. drivel
b.. slabber
c.. slaver
d.. slobber
e.. dribble
See also:
a.. drool over
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salve Oh how drool Basilicatus
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

I read somewhere that Jesus went to India, where he studied Buddhism

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From: Marilde Goliardi Perdomo
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:14 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Manusamhita Law (???)

Salvete amici,

Some days ago I read in a magazine something that hurt deeply my Roman
Pride. It was an article by another freaky hinduist (yes, I'm furious),
the Guru Maharajá Bhaki Aloka Paramadvaiti Swami, German born and formerly
known as Ulrich Harlan. One thing is sure for him, and of course for many
others: everything comes from India. Well, we all know that there were many
raports between the Classical World and India: numbers, some mathematical
stuff, musical notes, some religious ways and thoughts et cetera have Hindu
roots, that's not a news.
But this man, in the middle of his enthusiasm, said and I quotate from
Spanish " All the Law Codes that the countries use come from the
manusamhita, which was found by the Romans in Cyprus."

Please Romani, the only thing I ask you is to tell me THAT THIS IS NOT
ENTIRELY TRUE!!!!

Thank you very much.
Valeria Constatina Iuliana.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:15:54 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> I read somewhere that Jesus went to India, where he studied Buddhism
>

I've also read cases where people pick 6 numbers correctly and win
millions of dollars. However, that's not my retirement plan. I'm
investing in jackalope ranches and fur bearing trout farms. The
prospectus looks really good. <G>

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Only Important to Me, Etc.
From:	aneaapollonia@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:29:02 EST

Salve,
Now now... I will be bringing plenty of my homemade Baklava to Roman Days.
But careful, its addictive. *smiles*

Vale bene,
I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Eagle: Compliments
From:	StarVVreck@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:45:15 EST

Salve,

I've just received the first issue of the "new" Eagle. Its much more
magazine like where the old Eagle was more newspaper like. My compliments to
the authors and the Eagle Staff.

Vale,

Iulius Titinius Antonius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Only Important to me (Baklava)
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:02:45 -0800 (PST)

Musa--Don't I know that! (g) We used to have a Greek
neighbor who made baklava for Houston's annual Greek
Festival. I could never get enough of the stuff.

I've been waiting for Emeril to make some on his show,
but I haven't seen him do it, yet.

---
Renata

Musa said:

Salve,
Now now... I will be bringing plenty of my homemade
Baklava to Roman
Days.
But careful, its addictive. *smiles*

Vale bene,
I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Jesus Went To India - Twice
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:30:53 -0600

http://www.hknet.org.nz/Jesus-Went-To-India.htm

http://www.alislam.org/books/jesus-in-india/preface.html

http://home.swbell.net/maurylee/

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1652/BuddhaChrist.html

T. W. Doane, Nineteenth Century:

...nothing now remains for the honest man to do but acknowledge the truth, which is that the history of Jesus of Nazareth[,] as related in the books of the New Testament, is simply a copy of that of Buddha, with a mixture of mythology borrowed from other nations." (T.W. Doane, "Bible Myths" (New York, 1882), p. 286)

Now for the really interesting part...the similarities between Buddha and Jesus...

1.. Both Buddha and Jesus were baptized in the presence of the "spirit" of G--d. (De Bunsen, p. 45; Matthew 3:16.)
2.. Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. (Ibid., p. 37; Luke 2:41--48.)
3.. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty--seven days and Jesus for forty. (Arthur Lillie, Buddha and Early Buddhism (London, 1881), p. 100, Matthew 4:2.)
4.. At the conclusion of their fasts, they both wandered to a fig tree. (Hans Joachim Schoeps, An Intelligent Person's Guide to the Religions of Mankind (London, 1967), p. 167; Matthew 21:18--19.)
5.. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:
a.. "When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self--possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty--nine years of age...". (Encyclopedia Americana (New York: Rand McNally and Co., 1963), vol. 4, p. 672.)
b.. "Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age" (Luke 3:23).
6.. Both were tempted by the "devil" at the beginning of their ministry:
a.. To Buddha, he said: "Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents." (Moncure D. Conway, The Sacred Anthology (London, 1874), p. 173.)
b.. To Jesus, he said: "All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me" (Matthew 4:9).
7.. Buddha answered the "devil": "Get you away from me." (De Bunsen, p.38)
a.. Jesus responded: "...begone, Satan!" (Matthew 4:10).
8.. Both experienced the "supernatural" after the "devil" left:
a.. For Buddha: "The skies rained flowers, and delicious odors prevailed [in] the air." (Ibid.)
b.. For Jesus: "angels came and ministered to him" (Matthew 4:11).
9.. The multitudes required a sign from both in order that they might believe. (Muller, Science, p. 27; Matthew 16:1.)
10.. Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. (Beal, p. x; Matthew 4:17.)
a.. Buddha "represented himself as a mere link in a long chain of enlightened teachers." (Muller, Science, p. 140.)
11.. Jesus said: "Think not that I have come to abolish the law, and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17).
12.. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic's eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. (Ibid., p. 245)
a.. Jesus said: "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;" (Matthew 5:29).
13.. "Buddha taught that the motive of all our actions should be pity or love of our neighbor." (Ibid., p. 249)
a.. Jesus taught: "...love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44).
14.. Buddha said: "Hide your good deeds, and confess before the world the sins you have committed." (Ibid., p.28)
a.. Jesus said: "Beware of practicing your piety before men to be seen by them;" (Matthew 6:1) and "Therefore confess your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed..." (James 5:16).
15.. Both are said to have known the thoughts of others:
a.. "By directing his mind to the thoughts of others, [Buddha] can know the thoughts of all beings." (R. Spence Hardy, The Legends and Theories of the Buddhists Compared with History and Science (London, 1866), p. 181.)
b.. "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said: `Why do you think evil in your hearts?' " (Matthew 9:4).
16.. After "healing" a man born blind, Buddha said: "The disease of this man originates in his sinful actions in former times." (Prof. Max Muller, ed., Sacred Books of the East (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1879--1910), vol. 21, p. 129f.)
a.. "As [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man blind from his birth. And his disciples said to him: `Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' " (John 9:1--2).
17.. Both were itinerant preachers with a close group of trustees within a larger group of disciples. (James Hastings, ed., Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (New York: Edinburgh T. & T. Clark, 1918), vol. 6, p. 883; Matthew 26:20.)
18.. Both demanded that their disciples renounce all worldly possessions. (Hardy, Monachism, p. 6; Luke 14:33.)
a.. "The number of the disciples rapidly increased, and Gautama sent forth his monks on missionary tours hither and thither, bidding them wander everywhere, preaching the doctrine, and teaching men to order their lives with self--restraint, simplicity, and charity." (Hastings, vol. 6, p.883)
b.. "And [Jesus] called to him the twelve [apostles], and began to send them out two by two.So they went out and preached that men should repent" (Mark 6:7, 12).
19.. Both had a disciple who "walked" on water:
a.. To convert skeptical villagers, Buddha showed them his disciple walking across a river without sinking. (Lillie, p. 140)
b.. "He said: `Come.' So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus, but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out: `Lord, save me!' " (Matthew 14:29--30).
20.. "One day Ananda, the disciple of Buddha, after a long walk in the country, meets with Matangi, a woman of the low caste of the Kandalas, near a well, and asks her for some water. She tells him what she is, and that she must not come near him. But he replies: `My sister, I ask not for your caste or your family, I ask only for a drought of water. She afterwards became a disciple of Buddha." (Muller, Science, p. 243)
a.. "There came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus said to her: `Give me a drink.' For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. The Samaritan woman said to him: `How is it that you, a Jew, ask a drink of me, a woman of Samaria?' For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans" (John 4:7--9).
21.. Each repeated a question three times:
a.. "The Buddha next addressed the bhikkhus and requested them three times to ask him if they had any doubt or question that they wished clarified, but they all remained silent." (Encyclopedia Britannica (New York: William and Helen Benton, 1974), vol. 2, p. 373.)
b.. "[Jesus] said to him the third time: `Simon, son of John, do you love me?' Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time: `Do you love me?'" (John 21:17).
22.. Both received similar receptions:
a.. "The people swept the pathway, the gods strewed flowers on the pathway and branches of the coral tree, the men bore branches of all manner of trees, and the Bodhisattva Sumedha spread his garments in the mire, [and] men and gods shouted: `All hail.' " (Hardy, Legends, p.134)
b.. "And they brought the colt to Jesus, and threw their garments on it; and he sat on it. And many spread their garments on the road, and others spread leafy branches which they had cut from the fields" (Mark 11:7--8).
23.. Both had an archival:
a.. "[Buddha's] chief rival was Devadatta, a cousin of the Buddha, who is represented as being jealous of his influence and popularity, and as repeatedly seeking to compass his death." (Hastings, vol. 6, p.883)
b.. "While [Jesus] was still speaking, Judas came, one of the twelve, and with him a great crowd with swords and clubs, from the chief priests and the elders of the people. Now the betrayer had given them a sign, saying: `The one I shall kiss is the man; seize him!' And he came up to Jesus at once, and said: `Hail, Master!' And he kissed him" (Matthew 26:47--49).
24.. Before his death, Buddha said to his disciple: "Ananda, when I am gone, you must not think there is no Buddha; the discourses I have delivered, and the precepts I have enjoined, must be my successors, or representatives, and be to you as Buddha." (Hardy, Eastern Monachism (London, 1860), p. 230.)
a.. Before his "ascension," Jesus said to his disciples: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age" (Matthew 28:19--20).
25.. When Buddha died: "The coverings of [his] body unrolled themselves, and the lid of his coffin was opened by supernatural powers." (De Bunsen, p. 49.)
a.. When Jesus died: "And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the L--rd descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone, and sat upon it" (Matthew 28:2).
26.. "In the year 217 B.C. Buddhist missionaries were imprisoned for preaching; but an angel, genie or spirit came and opened the prison door, and liberated them." (Thomas Thornton, A History of China from the Earliest Records to the Treaty with Great Britain in 1842 (London, 1844), vol. 1, p. 341.)
a.. "They arrested the apostles and put them in the common prison. But at night an angel of the L--rd opened the prison doors and brought them out" (Acts 5:18--19).
27.. Both men's disciples are said to have been miracle workers. (Maria L. Child, The Progress of Religious Ideas Through Successive Ages (New York, 1855)vol. 1, p. 229, Acts 3:6--8.)
So...what do you all think? Pretty interesting...you've got to admit. Now please understand that I am NOT making any claims here...I'm just pointing it out and putting it up for discussion...

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Buddha and Jesus
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:36:57 -0600

Here are some more fascinating similarities:

1.. Buddha and Jesus all claimed to be of royal descent:
a.. "The ancestry of Gautama Buddha is traced from his father, Sodhodana, through various individuals and races, all of royal dignity, to Maha Sammata, the first monarch of the world...." (Doane, p. 291.)
b.. Jesus' genealogy consists mostly of kings (Matthew 1:6--16), and he is traced back to Adam, the first man (Luke 3:38).
2.. Both are said to have been born of a virgin, and through the holy spirit. (Thomas Maurice, History of Hindostan (London 1798), vol. 2, p. 310; Matthew 1:18.)
3.. Both were declared divine at birth:
a.. Following the Buddhist tradition, (Godfred Higgins, Anacalypsis: An Enquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions (London, 1836) vol. 1, p. 157.), Matthew records that wise men proclaimed the infant Jesus divine. (Matthew 2:1, 11).
4.. "Celestial bodies" announced both men's births. (De Bunsen, pp. 22--23, 33; Matthew 2:2.)
5.. When each was born, "angels" sang in heaven:
a.. For Buddha, they sang: "Today, Bodhisattva is born on earth, to give joy and peace to men and Devas [angels], to shed light on the dark places, and to give sight to the blind." (Beal, p. 56.)
b.. For Jesus, they sang: "Glory to G--d in the highest, and on earth peace, goodwill among men" (Luke 2:14).
6.. Upon their births, they were supposedly presented with gifts:
a.. Buddha received gold, frankincense, and myrrh. (De Bunsen, p. 36; Amberly Viscount, An Analysis of Religious Belief (New York, 1879), p. 231.)
b.. Jesus received costly jewels and precious substances (Matthew 2:11).
7.. Both were supposedly miracle workers. (Muller, Science, p. 27; Matthew 4:23.)
8.. Both were "transfigured" before witnesses:
a.. For Buddha and Jesus, this occurred on a mountain: "A flame of light encircled Buddha's head and shone as the sun or moon." (De Bunsen, p. 45; Beal, p. 177.)
b.. "And [Jesus] was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light" (Matthew 17:2).
9.. Both are said to be part of a trinity. (John Francis Davis, The Chinese (New York, 1836), vol. 2, p. 104; Matthew 28:19.)
10.. They all "relieved" others of sins.
a.. Buddha said: "Let all the sins that were committed in this world fall on me, that the world may be delivered." (Prof. Max Muller, History of Sanskrit Literature (London, 1872), p. 80.)
b.. Of Jesus it was said: "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace which he lavished upon us" (Ephesians 1:7--8).
11.. Both were acclaimed as the Creator:
12.. "Buddha, the Angel messiah, was regarded as the divinely chosen and incarnate messenger, the vicar of G--d, and God Himself on earth." (De Bunsen, p. 33.)
13.. "[Jesus] is the image of the invisible G--d, the first born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers, all things were created through him and for him" (Colossians 1:15--16).
14.. Both will "judge" the dead. (Mons Dupuis, trans., The Origin of All Religious Worship (New Orleans, 1872) p. 366; II Timothy 4:1.)
15.. Buddha's titles were:
a.. Savior of the World (Child, vol. 1, p. 247.)
b.. God of Gods (Samuel Johnson, Oriental Religions and Their Relation to Universal Religion (India) (Boston, 1872), p. 604.)
c.. Anointed/Christ (De Bunsen, p. 18.)
d.. Messiah (Ibid.)
e.. and Only Begotten (Ibid.)
16.. Jesus' titles were:
a.. Christ (Matthew 11:2)
b.. Messiah (John 4:26)
c.. Son of G--d (Mark 1:1)
d.. Only Begotten (John 3:18)
e.. Lord (John 14:5).
17.. Personally...I think the similarities are kinda freaky...

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nova Britannia Chat Room Tonight - All Welcome!
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:20:33 -0500

Salvete!

The weekly Nova Britannia chat will be held tonight from 9:00 pm to10:00
pm EST at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaBritannia/chat

All are welcome!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nova Britannia Edictum Propraetoricium IV - ante diem XIX Kal. FEBRVARIAS MMDCCLVI A.U.C.
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:28:07 -0500

Nova Britannia Edictum Propraetoricium IV regarding the appointment of
Provincial officers.

I. The following citizen is prorogued in his office of Legatus
Regionis:

Senator Gaius Marius Merullus: Legatus Regionis New
Hampshire.

II. This edictum is effective immediately. Given ante diem XIX
Kal. FEBRVARIAS, in the year of the Consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, MMDCCLVI A.U.C.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

Propraetor Nova Britannia

Lictor

Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.

"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Buddha and Jesus
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:53:29 EST

Salve

I immediately went to my Roman library and found a novel by Paul Park titled
The Gospel of Corax. The jacket notes say "And when they reach the foothills
of the Himalayas, Jesus receives the life-altering revelation that will
change the world." I suppose one more link with India.

Vale,

Gaius Lanius Falco

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 403
From:	Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@welho.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:06:35 +0200

>Second, for the benefit of those like me who are not
>in the know, could people please specify, when
>referring to a faction, which one they mean and what
>its principal characteristics are, and perhaps also
>how to join / leave it?

Salve,

The only factions I'm aware of are the Ludi Circenses factions. The
best of them is the GREEN one, you don't have to worry about the rest!

Joining it is simple:
discussion group home: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina
discussion group malinlig list: factiopraesina@yahoogroups.com

This years Aediles are more knowledgeable about this years races etc,
so you can ask about them for more information.

Vale,
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Buddha and Jesus
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:58:07 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, lanius117@a... wrote:
> The jacket notes say "And when they reach the foothills
> of the Himalayas, Jesus receives the life-altering revelation that
will
> change the world."

Salve,

I could also write a story that Jesus flew to the moon and had tea
and crumpets with emmisaries from Beta Centauri who imparted upon him
great wisdom and knowledge.... Doesn't mean its true but since it
can't be proven false either....

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Buddha and Jesus
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:03:53 +0100 (CET)

Salvete!

--- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" wrote:
> I could also write a story that Jesus flew to the
> moon and had tea
> and crumpets with emmisaries from Beta Centauri who
> imparted upon him
> great wisdom and knowledge.... Doesn't mean its
> true but since it
> can't be proven false either....

And don't forget to mention the big part Elvis played
in this! ;o))

Valete bene,

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Buddha and Jesus
From:	"Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus <vergil@starpower.net>" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:56:08 -0000

Salvete,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Hirtius Helveticus"
<hirtius75ch@y...> wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>" wrote:
> > I could also write a story that Jesus flew to the
> > moon and had tea
> > and crumpets with emmisaries from Beta Centauri

Seriously, what are 'crumpets'?

Does anyone have an image? I'm assuming that they are some sort of
cookie or cracker. Do they come in different flavors, sizes?

Not that this as anything to do with Roman things, unless the receipe
is from antiqua....

Thanks for your time,

Valete, Lucius Equitius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Buddha and Jesus
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:22:28 US/Central

Salve Luci Equiti

> Seriously, what are 'crumpets'?

Dictionary.com:
A small flat round of bread, baked on a griddle and usually served toasted.

You might know them as English muffins.

> Does anyone have an image?

http://www.raspberryworld.com/thoughts/crumpet.jpg

> I'm assuming that they are some sort of cookie or cracker. Do they come in
> different flavors, sizes?

Yes. Like bagels, there are varieties of crumpets.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Jesus Went To India - Twice
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:26:33 +0000

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
...
Now for the really interesting part...the similarities between Buddha and
Jesus...

1.. Both Buddha and Jesus were...

-------------------------------------------------------------

I don't want to get into the discussion because anytime religion is
brought in many people will be offended. But I can tell you this: Most, if
not all, of those things this list attributes to Buddha or things
supposedly he said are either invention or presented out of context. In
fact most of what's in that list do not even exist in Buddhist lexicon. He
must've been talking about some other Christian sect.

Galerius Peregrinator.

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>

Now for the really interesting part...the similarities between Buddha and
Jesus...

1.. Both Buddha and Jesus were...

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Buddha and Jesus
From:	"Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus <vergil@starpower.net>" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:44:21 -0000

Salve, Titi Labeine

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, labienus@n... wrote:
> Salve Luci Equiti
>
> > Seriously, what are 'crumpets'?
>
> Dictionary.com:
> A small flat round of bread, baked on a griddle and usually served
toasted.
>
> You might know them as English muffins.

Of course, I love "English muffins"! I don't eat them anymore because
they are realy the best with lots o' butter, and I must stay away
from that :-)

> > Does anyone have an image?
>
> http://www.raspberryworld.com/thoughts/crumpet.jpg
>
> > I'm assuming that they are some sort of cookie or cracker. Do
they come in
> > different flavors, sizes?
>
> Yes. Like bagels, there are varieties of crumpets.

Maybe I should just use some preserves or jelly and leave out the
butter? I need a little variety in my diet.

Thanks, Consul! (no job too small :-)

Vale, Lucius Equitius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Buddha and Jesus
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:55:38 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus
> Seriously, what are 'crumpets'?
>
Salve,

Crumpets are a small flat round of bread, baked on a griddle and
usually served toasted with jam/jelly. It's an English thing though
unlike kidney pie doesn't involve organs of the urinary tract.

Vale,

Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] crumpets and bagels
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:45:14 +0100

> You might know them as English muffins.
> Yes. Like bagels, there are varieties of crumpets.

Prolonging the bagel and crumpet thread.....

Ahhh, cream cheese and English muffins dripping with butter.... *Now* I am
getting homesick... But never fear, I am making sure that my cholesterol
level doesn't get *too* low by eating lots of chocolate eclairs ;-)

Vale,
Diana Moravia

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Buddha and Jesus
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:07:18 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : lanius117@aol.com
>
>I immediately went to my Roman library and found a novel by Paul Park titled
>The Gospel of Corax. The jacket notes say “And when they reach the foothills
>of the Himalayas, Jesus receives the life-altering revelation that will
>change the world.“ I suppose one more link with India.
>
It's not impossible but not necessary either. The authentic gospels send the family to Egypt and do not say when they returned except for the incident at the Temple. Egypt had trade with India and no doubt two such strong religious traditions exchanged devotees so Indian thought would have been known. Then too, Ashoka sent missionaries to the West around 250BCE. Since there is no record of their arrival, chances are that their influence if any at all is known by some other name.
The actual similarities between Jesus and Gautama probably come from 'hero-land', that is that neither of them existed in any form like the scriptural. There may have been one or more preachers to hang a Jewish version of the Dying Redeemer God onto and there were and are certainly sadhus to fit the Buddha's description but when the mythical elements are removed from Buddhism, Gautama's story sounds remarkably like a parable of Everyman. In another way, so does that of Jesus: sacrifice the apparant life in order to LIVE (as in Egyptian/Tibetan 'Book of the Dead' are actually Book of {real} Living, or of 'Coming forth into/by Day/Light').
The Enlightened grows up protected from the ills of life, as do all children. As the rich can and all try to emotionally, he retains this childhood protection into adulthood with a nice uninvolved life, but then he comes into contact with sickness, hunger, death and starts asking why and why it should bother him. He tries the orthodox route
of rejecting materiality and realises that 'mortifying the flesh' is in itself obsession with the flesh.{I've just done the New Year Smoking Thing. This time it seems to be working because instead of making an effort to Not Smoke, I am keeping myself too busy doing other things and not bothering to shift myself to go out and buy any - same principle, you stop smoking by noot smoking, not by winding yourself up seeing how hard you can want a cigarette in order to fight the urge}. By our standards the Middle Way may seem extreme but not by those of Yoga or even the Stylite and Desert saints, most of whom must have been pathological masochists - today they'd be anorexic teenagers giggling while they slash their arms.
Of the two, I prefer Buddhism as the less mystical and more responsible but that has more to do with development than scripture.

Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] About centuries
From:	"Laureatus Armoricus" <laureatusarmoricus@tiscali.co.uk>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:26:07 -0000

Salvete omnes,

Further to a recent discussion on the subject I have tried to find a listing
of all centuries with their respective citizens but couldn't find one
central single file to look at.
Can our officials direct me to the relevant legislation and let me know if
there is such a thing as a public statement of registered citizens and the
centuries they belong to. I would like, in particular, understand the basis
on which one citizen is placed in one century or the other.
I am also curious to know where and when the taxes can be paid : If I am not
mistaken, paying your taxes gives you the rank of assidui ?

Thank you very much for your help in clearing the matter in my confused
head.

Moravius Laureatus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] About centuries
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:20:49 US/Central

Salvete Moravi Laureate Quiritesque

> Further to a recent discussion on the subject I have tried to find a listing
> of all centuries with their respective citizens but couldn't find one
> central single file to look at.

To my knowledge, there isn't such a thing. However, you can use the Web site
to see who belongs to each centuria individually.

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/century?century=1

The link above will show you the members of the first centuria. Simply replace
the number at the end of the URL with the number of the centuria you want to
examine. At the current time, there are 88 centuriae.

> Can our officials direct me to the relevant legislation and let me know if
> there is such a thing as a public statement of registered citizens and the
> centuries they belong to. I would like, in particular, understand the basis
> on which one citizen is placed in one century or the other.

Currently, the leges which determine how the centuriae are filled are:

Lex Vedia Centuriata
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-07-30-ix.html

Lex Iunia Centuriata
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-iii.html

Lex Iunia Centuriata II
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-11-21-iv.html

Lex Vedia de Assidui et Capiti Censi
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-05-20-i.html

Lex Octavia de Centuriata
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-06-05-iii.html

Lex Secunda Octavia de Centuriata
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-08-01-i.html

Lex Cornelia Octavia de Assidui et Capiti Censi
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-12-24-i.html

The leges listed above are in chronological order, with the most recent placed
last. Note that a more recent lex is the authority when two leges disagree.
That said, I still recommend that you read them in order, as many of them exist
purely to modify a previous lex.

> I am also curious to know where and when the taxes can be paid : If I am not
> mistaken, paying your taxes gives you the rank of assidui ?

Yes, paying your taxes grants you the rank of assiduus (assidui is plural).
Taxes are due by the end of Februarius, after which there is a 50% penalty for
those who pay late.

Later this month, I will issue an edictum defining the tax rate for each
provincia and detailing how cives may pay. I'll do this as soon as I possibly
can. Currently my collega and I are working out all the details.

> Thank you very much for your help in clearing the matter in my confused
> head.

I hope this makes the subject a little clearer than mud for you.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] About centuries
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:40:01 US/Central

Salvete iterum Moravi Laureate Quiritesque

> I am also curious to know where and when the taxes can be paid : If I am not
> mistaken, paying your taxes gives you the rank of assidui ?

I forgot to note that you are, I believe, exempt from taxation this year.

The senatusconsultum which establishes taxes (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-viii.html ) states, among
other things, the following:

"III.C. Cives whose applications for Citizenship were approved between the
first day of December of the previous year and the last day of February of the
current year shall have their tax burden waived for the current year, and shall
automatically be considered assidui."

This has been modified by the Lex Cornelia Octavia de Assidui et Capiti Censi (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-12-24-i.html ), in the following
paragraph:

"I. All persons obtaining citizenship after this lex takes effect will have
Capiti Censi status until and unless payment is made."

The Lex Cornelia Octavia became law on the 24th of December last year.
Therefore, any civis whose application was approved between the first and the
24th of December is an assiduus and is exempt from taxation for the current
year. (If you're unsure of the date of your civitas, check your page on the
Nova Roma site.)

That said, nobody will mind at all if you choose to make a donation to the
treasury anyway.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] About centuries
From:	"Laureatus Armoricus" <laureatusarmoricus@tiscali.co.uk>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:56:14 -0000

Salve Consul Tite Labiene et quirites,

Thank you very much for you prompt response ! I shall employ my week-end in
studying our leges in details and bring some more light on your already
enlightened response.

Respectfully,

Moravius Laureatus
-----Original Message-----
From: labienus@novaroma.org [mailto:labienus@novaroma.org]
Sent: 14 January 2003 13:40
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] About centuries

Salvete iterum Moravi Laureate Quiritesque

> I am also curious to know where and when the taxes can be paid : If I am
not
> mistaken, paying your taxes gives you the rank of assidui ?

I forgot to note that you are, I believe, exempt from taxation this year.

The senatusconsultum which establishes taxes (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-viii.html ) states,
among
other things, the following:

"III.C. Cives whose applications for Citizenship were approved between the
first day of December of the previous year and the last day of February of
the
current year shall have their tax burden waived for the current year, and
shall
automatically be considered assidui."

This has been modified by the Lex Cornelia Octavia de Assidui et Capiti
Censi (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-12-24-i.html ), in the
following
paragraph:

"I. All persons obtaining citizenship after this lex takes effect will
have
Capiti Censi status until and unless payment is made."

The Lex Cornelia Octavia became law on the 24th of December last year.
Therefore, any civis whose application was approved between the first and
the
24th of December is an assiduus and is exempt from taxation for the
current
year. (If you're unsure of the date of your civitas, check your page on
the
Nova Roma site.)

That said, nobody will mind at all if you choose to make a donation to the
treasury anyway.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

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Subject:	RES: [Nova-Roma] Re: Manusamhita Law (???)
From:	"Titus Arminius Genialis" <tagenialis@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:58:18 -0200

> I've also read cases where people pick 6 numbers correctly and win
> millions of dollars. However, that's not my retirement plan. I'm
> investing in jackalope ranches and fur bearing trout farms. The
> prospectus looks really good. <G>

Ranches and farms? In Brazil it would hardly make you a successful
retired.... hehe

> Vale,

> Q. Cassius Calvus

Vale.
T. Genialis.
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