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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: question from a potential citizen
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:49:12 +0000 (GMT)

A. Apollonius Cordus to "gabal@net.hr", greetings.

You wrote:
> I have read some of Gibbon but I was mostly forming
> my opinions from Suetonie and authors of the
> Historia Augusta. Maybe I was wrong to judge the
> whole society only upon their rulers and your reply
> helped me to realize that.

You're not necessarily wrong to judge a society by its
rulers, but there are a couple of things worth bearing
in mind.

First, the culture of the Roman republic was in some
ways different from Roman culture under the emperors.
Although Suetonius was writing *about* events that
happened fairly soon after the end of the republic, he
himself lived rather later, when the empire had been
ruled by emperors for several generations. So his
perspective is bound to be a bit different. The
Historia Augusta biographies were written even later,
so the same applies. Nova Roma is modelled primarily
on the republic. Gibbon, too, was writing about
post-republican times.

The other thing is that Suetonius and the writers of
the Historia Augusta were aiming at a book-buying
audience who liked to read about gossip and scandal.
These subjects were popular even in the late empire,
when Ammianus Marcellinus complained that everyone
preferred to read gossip than his 'serious' history.
So the sort of impression Suetonius and the Historia
Augusta give is bound to be more 'sensational' than
most people's everyday lives really were.

It's also worth pointing out that the Historia Augusta
are considered generally not very reliable, and it's
quite likely that their biographies of some emperors
contain stories which were originally about completely
different people.

I hope this is of some interest.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Can someone put up a Web site about ancient Rome
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:04:22 -0000

Can anyone put up a Web site about ancient Rome? Or do you have to
join Nova Roma and pay taxes? What if you already have a country and
just want a Web site?

I'm interested only in reading novels about ancient Rome,
particularly women's fiction such as adventure historical romance
novels that take place in ancient Rome or are time-travel novels.
Would I be required to join Nova Roma? Or should I include other
ancient cultures such as Grecian or Egyptian, Nubian, Brittania, etc?

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] (unknown)
From:	cfd@diocletian.de
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:21:07 +0100 (CET)

Ex Officio Censores Caius Flavius Diocletianus et Marcus Octavius
Germanicus Quiritibus SPD

In accordance with article II.c.3. Ordo equester Constitution Novae Romae,
it is our pleasure to announce the inclusion of ROMA ETERNA
(www.tarquitii.com) into the Macellum.

Citizen Caius Tarquitius Saturninus is given status of Ordo equester.

Given January 23 in the year of the Consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus et Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Censores

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: question from a potential citizen
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:43:52 +0100

Hi Gabal505@net.hr

And since the citizens of Nova Roma have been so kind as to reply to you,
maybe you could sign your name (any name) to your emails so that we know who
we are speaking with?

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Can someone put up a Web site about ancient Rome
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:58:10 +0100

Salve biojournalism@

If you surf the web, you will find many sites on Ancient Rome that are not
associated with Nova Roma. So the answer is no: Nova Roma does not have the
monopoly on Rome, ancient or otherwise (I wish we did). As a non-citizen,
you can make whatever website that you want, *but* you can't use anything
from the Nova Roma website and you can't use our logo.

And I know that I really have a bit of a bitchy streak when it comes to this
and it's nothing personal: but could you sign your emails? Any name will do,
it is just that I really prefer having some sort of name to refer to someone
by.

Vale,

Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Mailing List for all Plebeian citizens
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:35:24 +0100

Salvete!

There is a mailing list that all Plebeian citizens should be subscribed to.
This is a very low volume list, so don't worry that your inbox will be
flooded with emails! At the moment, there are no discussions going on, but
in the event that there is a Plebeian issue that needs to be addressed, all
of the Plebeian citizens of Nova Roma should be there so that their voice
can be heard!

Send a blank email to the address below and I will approve it right away.

ComitiaPlebisTributa-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

If you don't know whether you are a Plebeian, look up your gens on
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes and click the name of your
Paterfamilias.

Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribuna Plebis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: question from a potential citizen
From:	"William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:06:44 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gabal505 <gabal@n...>"
<gabal@n...> wrote:
> I am thankful for your reply,
> I haven't based my opinion solely on 20th century movies and
> literature. I am a history studenr and I was more likely refering
to
> Suetonie and number of other historians who contributed in the
> Historia Augusta. Your reply was very helpful and some things are
> much more clear to me now.

I am a new member here at Nova Roma (I joined about 2 1/2 months
ago). While not everyone gets along all of the time (Right Mr.
Audens ;-)), I have come to truly love the opportunity to learn and
grow here. This organization has MANY opportunities for one to learn,
grow, and meet great people from all over the world! Literally! My
pater Caius Tarquitius, is from Germany, and while he is here at
Emory University, we get together about every 10 days as a gens just
to fellowship and learn from one another (mostly from him, to be
sure!) I have learned quite abit about his home in Bavaria, and about
Rome also! Heck, this friday we are having a "meeting" to invite
everyone to sit and eat Roman dishes!

Nova Roma is an excellent opportunity to have some truly brilliant
minds across many, many disciplines to bounce ideas off, ask
questions of, and to learn from.

I hope you decide to join (sign up for the coolest gens, of
course...the TARQUITIUS! --Not that I'm plugging my gens or
anything), and wait for that long gens list to load and look at each
gens, then "move on in!" I believe that I can speak for many here
when I say we would LOVE to have you!

In Humility and Friendship,

Publius Tarquitius Rufus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: question from a potential citizen
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:05:23 +0100 (MET)

Sure we would welcome you. :) I am student myself. Always good to have
brothers in mind around.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Reminder of Bonus Eventus
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:12:44 -0500

Just a reminder of the Bonus Eventus column in the Eagle. Please send any important positive events that have taken place in your life .
You know ie , books published, weddings, births, awards at work, school, Degrees conferred , retirements ,promotions, both civilian and military , elections to public office etc.
You get the idea

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Plebeians--why you need to vote in the election for Tribunus Plebis!
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:33:53 +0100

Salvete,

This is just a friendly reminder to all Plebeian citizens to vote for your
favorite candidate for one of the 2 vacant positions of Tribunus Plebis
(Tribune of the Plebs).
Why is this important? Because the Tribunes represent you in the government
of Nova Roma!

What does a Tribune do? Very simply put:

1)The Tribunes need to know the Constitution of Nova Roma and her laws to
make sure that no new laws are passed that are unconstitutional. The
Tribunes keep an eye on the big boys (the Senate, the Consuls, or any other
magistrate :-))), so that the rights of the people are not compromised. The
Tribunes have the right of vetoing the actions of any other magistrate, but
in order to actually veto something, the majority of the Tribunes have to be
in agreement. This is why 5 Tribunes are necessary: we also need a 'balance
of power' within the Tribunate itself.

2) The Tribunes can also propose new laws, which will then be voted upon by
all of the citizens of Nova Roma. Two of last year's Tribunes, Gnaeus Salix
Astur and Marcus Arminius Maior were quite active in this area.

3) The Tribunes also report what is being discussed in the Senate. Tribune
Marcus Marcius Rex will be posting the first Senate report of 2756 within a
week or so.

4) The Tribunes also organize the elections for the Plebeian offices
(Plebeian Aediles and Tribunes of the Plebs), which is why I am sending you
this email :-) It's time to vote!

5) And if any of the citizens are having any Nova Roma troubles, the
Tribunes are always available to help.

And lastly, on behalf of this year's current Tribunes, the best of luck to
the 4 candidates in this run-off election. We look forward to welcoming 2 of
you to the team!

Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribuna Plebis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: question from a potential citizen
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:51:32 +0100

Salve, oh carissimus Publius Tarquitius Rufus

I very much share your feelings about being involved in Nova Roma. In
fact, I can read that we entered this community almost at the same
time. Nevertheless I strongly disagree with your statement about the
best gens. We all know ADRIANUS gens is actually the most active and
brilliant gens in Nova Roma, and our paterfamilias, Sarus, one of the
best men here. =)

vale bene

antonius adrianus urcitanus

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: "William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Fecha: Jueves, Enero 23, 2003 2:06 pm
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: question from a potential citizen

> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gabal505
> <gabal@n...>"
>
> <gabal@n...> wrote:
>
> > I am thankful for your reply,
>
> > I haven't based my opinion solely on 20th century movies and
>
> > literature. I am a history studenr and I was more likely
> refering
>
> to
>
> > Suetonie and number of other historians who contributed in
> the
>
> > Historia Augusta. Your reply was very helpful and some things
> are
>
> > much more clear to me now.
>
>
>
> I am a new member here at Nova Roma (I joined about 2 1/2 months
>
> ago). While not everyone gets along all of the time (Right Mr.
>
> Audens ;-)), I have come to truly love the opportunity to learn
> and
>
> grow here. This organization has MANY opportunities for one to
> learn,
>
> grow, and meet great people from all over the world! Literally! My
>
> pater Caius Tarquitius, is from Germany, and while he is here at
>
> Emory University, we get together about every 10 days as a gens
> just
>
> to fellowship and learn from one another (mostly from him, to be
>
> sure!) I have learned quite abit about his home in Bavaria, and
> about
>
> Rome also! Heck, this friday we are having a "meeting"
> to invite
>
> everyone to sit and eat Roman dishes!
>
>
>
> Nova Roma is an excellent opportunity to have some truly brilliant
>
> minds across many, many disciplines to bounce ideas off, ask
>
> questions of, and to learn from.
>
>
>
> I hope you decide to join (sign up for the coolest gens, of
>
> course...the TARQUITIUS! --Not that I'm plugging my gens or
>
> anything), and wait for that long gens list to load and look at
> each
>
> gens, then "move on in!" I believe that I can speak for
> many here
>
> when I say we would LOVE to have you!
>
>
>
> In Humility and Friendship,
>
>
>
> Publius Tarquitius Rufus
>
>
>
> </tt>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Age Difference
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:02:25 -0500 (EST)

Mistress Aventina;

Now that is a surprise!!!!!!!! I have seen pictures of both yourself
and Senator Sulla. My thoughts were that your were quite a young and
very lovely young lady! I guess that I must now revise my sadly lacking
views in this area, and finally come to realize that you are instead a
very lovely and mature lady. I just can't seem to get anything right
any more!!!!

All the best my dear, and I look forward to the day when we may all meet
face to face. My wife is workng on such together with my oft-mentioned
desire to take a Danube River cruise through the Iron Gates and so to
the River's mouth on the Black Sea.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Your Offer
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:51:43 -0500 (EST)

Honored Senior Consul;

Respected and Esteemed Sir;

I must most humbly apologize for the long delay in my response to your
very kind and generous offer to join your Advisory Group, and to take
charge of it. I am humbled by your faith that I could deal with such
wide and detailed task, and I am much grieved to respond that I will not
be able to accept your proffered position.

The reason for my delay in replying has been that I had been nominated
for an advanced position within my Civil War Reenactment Brigade. That
appointment to the rank of Brevet-Lt. Colonel has been decided upon, and
I have just recieved notification of such within the last few days. The
appointment necessarily carries with it a considerable increase in staff
and command responsibility within the Brigade, and the requirement for
attendance at more events than I had planned for this season. This then
will cut into my available time to work with Nova Roma. Additionally, I
have been approached to undertake an old effort in the Sodalitas
Egressus, which will involve a new program, new goals, and new
appointments within the Egressus. As you are aware, it was for that
reason

(to spend more time with the Militarium and Egressus)

that I did not choose to stand for re-election to an NR Magistry and why
I chose to step down from my post as Provincial ProConsul. There were
other reasons, to be sure, but those are the principal ones.

I am very sorry to be forced to make this last minute refusal of your
offered position, but I am faced with the offer of tasks to which I have
devoted much of my avocational life since I have retired from my second
vocational career, and this appointment is made in the twilight of my
active involvement with the New England Federal Brigade, an organization
that I had a large part in creating. I make this refusal with great
regret, simply from the lack of time needed for such an effort rather
than from any disagreement with yourself or your staff / policies. The
timing of this appointment was frankly unexpected, and hinged upon a
much larger involvement in historical reenactment activities and
involvement than had previously been planned for this year, back in
November of last year when last we met with potential Event Corrdinators
/ Sponsors.

I hope that this message will not endanger our personal friendship in
any way, and further hope that you will understand my dedication to this
reenactment hobby, which has turned into an unpaid third "career." I am
pleased at your Consular victory, and believe that Nova Roma is in good
hands with our present Consular Officers. I do not intend, of course,
to leave Nova Roma, nor to diminish my duties as a Senator, and I do not
intend to take a leave of absence. However, I find with this new
appointment and with my other numerous commitments, I have reached a
point where I cannot accept any further responsibilities for fear of not
being able to devote sufficient time an effort to those commitments
already made.

Respectfully and With Regret;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Your Offer
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:01:23 +0100

Salve Illustrus Marcus Minucius Audens!

I too have hobbies that take a lot of time. Although I would have
needed You at the appointed position, rest assured that You still
have my respect and understanding. I accept your resignment from the
"Consilium Accensorum Magnorum" (CAM), (Council of Major
Assistants/Advisors). If this in any way give You the opportunity to
still give part of your valiuable time to Nova Roma I can only wish
You Good Luck!

>Honored Senior Consul;
>
>Respected and Esteemed Sir;
>
>I must most humbly apologize for the long delay in my response to your
>very kind and generous offer to join your Advisory Group, and to take
>charge of it. I am humbled by your faith that I could deal with such
>wide and detailed task, and I am much grieved to respond that I will not
>be able to accept your proffered position.

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--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] test
From:	Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius <romalist2@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:57:06 -0500 (EST)

ahem...

test

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Mailing List for all Plebeian citizens
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:06:38 -0500

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Diana Moravia Aventina, Tribuna Plebis. Salve, oh kind and gentle lady.

Pray tell, why do the plebeians need their own list. Since we represent the majority of NR citizens, shouldn't we just use the main list? Please enlighten me so that I may know the answer to this puzzle. Vale.

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