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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Total War Rome
From:	"John Morgan <fulminata@earthlink.net>" <fulminata@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sat, 25 Jan 2003 01:07:51 -0000

Well I must agree, for us RTS games, it does look great. I have
played Shogun, and medieval, and was truly impressed. The supposed
release date is going to be early summer, so keep your fingers
crossed that it makes it.

Pontius Sejanus Marius
Propraetor, AAO

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Rudius Inscription
From:	"John Morgan <fulminata@earthlink.net>" <fulminata@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:12:51 -0000

Can anyone tell me what the inscription carved ito a rudius said.

Pontius Sejanus Marius

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Rudius Inscription
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:52:40 -0600

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rudius Inscription

Can anyone tell me what the inscription carved ito a rudius said.

Pontius Sejanus Marius


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Mailing List for all Plebeian citizens
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:50:13 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites,
At the time the list was formed the Tribunes weren't
allowed to promulgate leges before the Comitia Populi
Tributa. They were under the same limits as the
ancient Tribunes of only being able to promulgate in
the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

The Comitia Plebis Tributa wasn't being used because
our ahistoric ratio of Patricians to Plebians made it
far more undemocratic than the Comitia Plebis Tributa
of Antiquita. In Antiquita the Plebs were well over
99% of the citizens so barring Patricians wasn't as
unfair as it would be in our nation where Patricians
are a far larger percentage of the population.

One facton, which couldn't get a Consul to introduce
legislation they favored, was intent on using the
Tribunes to pass that legislation through the Comitia
Plebis Tributa. The list was started in preparation
for the effort to introduce a legislative program
before Comitia Plebis Tributa.

This list will become more important when the ratio of
Plebians becomes high enough so that the Tribunes can
promulgate before the Comitia Plebis Tributa. In the
meantime it is important to keep the Plebian
traditions alive, and I urge that all Plebs to
subscribe to the list.

--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:
> Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus,
>
> < Pray tell, why do the plebeians need their own
> list. Since we represent
> the majority of NR < <citizens, shouldn't we just
> use the main list?
> Please enlighten me so that I may know < the
> <answer to this puzzle. Vale.
>
> Good question. Unfortunately, Yahoogroups is
> treating me very badly today
> and won't let me look into the archives of the list
> to see if there was any
> mention of why the list was made.
>
> Looking to the constitution for the answers, I can
> see 2 reasons why the
> Plebeians would want to have their own list: III.c &
> III.c.3.
>
> 1) Only the comitia plebis tributa shall pass laws
> governing the rules by
> which it shall operate internally.
> 2) To try legal cases solely involving members of
> the plebeian order that do
> not involve permanent removal of citizenship.
> In 2, a private list would be better for the
> Plebeian in question rather
> than having his/her case tried on the main list
> amongst non-citizens and
> Patrician citizens whose opinion may influence the
> proceedings.
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
>

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Plebs really the majority? (WAS: Mailing List for all Plebeian citizens)
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@novaroma.org>
Date:	Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:58:05 -0500

Salvete A Apolloni et alii

I really don't know the answer to your question but can say, based on NR
statistics available on the website (the citizen count on the homepage and
the album gentium), plebeians do form the majority of the population,
apparently about 2/3. Of course these figures do not address the "active"
question. In the absence of any hard data, I would guess that the patrician
order may have a slightly higher proportion of people voting and running for
office (given that the patrician order consists of both NR's longest-running
citizens and some elevated from the plebeian order in recognition of
contribution or commitment), and that in light of this the absolute number
of really active people, in those terms, is probably about evenly divided
between the two orders. Plebeians, to my observation, are the majority of
active contributors to this forum.

The good news for me, since we're on the subject of demographics, is that
the plebeian order is in the majority and growing in a more cohesive fashion
than it was 3 years ago. That is, going back that far in the past, the
plebeian order consisted almost exclusivley of single and couple gentes;
whereas it now has several larger, even 10+ member gentes.

Valete

C Marius Merullus
patrician

:A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
:greetings.
:
:
:I'd be interested to know, actually, whether active
:plebeians actually do outnumber active patricians by
:any substantial margin, or indeed at all.
:
:No doubt we'll have to wait for the census to tell us
:definitively, but has anyone any indicative evidence
:or experience?
:

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