Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Reminder to Vote!
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:26:38 -0800 (PST)

Salvete omnes--If you are a PLEBEIAN who has not yet
cast your vote for Tribunus Plebis, this is an
invitation for you to please do so at the Nova Roma
website! Tim is a'running out. :) Voting ends
January 30 at 1800 hours Roman Time. That's 1200
hours EST in the States.

NR Website:
http://www.novaroma.org/main.html

Renata Corva Cantrix
Rogatrix

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate & Plebs (WAS: Patricians Out)
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:03:16 EST

In a message dated 1/29/03 5:58:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cordus@strategikon.org writes:


> I think we may safely agree to disagree on the
> historical argument. I do not entirely accept or agree
> with the idea that the Roman constitution was 'mixed'
> or 'balanced', and that the Assemblies were the
> democratic element while the Senate was the
> aristocratic. This derives from Polybius, who was
> importing Greek political theory into his description
> of the constitution in order to make it easier for
> Greek readers to understand. Moreover, it is not
> altogether clear that even Polybius regarded the Roma
> state as 'mixed' or 'balanced'.


If you read the Greek and not the translation you will find that Polybios
felt the Roman government was far superior to either the Democracies of the
Polis or the Monarchy of the Successors. He also correctly predicts that the
balance will change in the future, which would lead to the Dynamists. He
accurately predicts the downfall of the Republic, and the rise of the
Principate although he did not use those terms.

>
> The central point is this: in the ancient republic,
> though it was in practice easier to overhear the
> proceedings of the Assemblies than those of the
> Senate, it was also the case that the Plebeian
> Assembly was a legislative body, while the Senate was
> not. Senatus consulta had no force of law.
>

Yet the people accept them as binding in the early and middle republic. But
consider,
they were stuck with their Senate, while here in NR the people are not. So
it is hard for anything to be binding here. It can be ignored, and except
for peer pressure, un enforceable.

> Here, on the other hand, both are legislative bodies.
> Senatus consulta are passed by a relatively small
> group of people but are binding upon the whole
> populace until overruled by edict, law or plebiscite.
> The Senate also has ultimate control of changes to the
> constitution, and even of the measures of a dictator,
> and can pass the senatus consultum ultimum. The
> constitution specifies that these three are the
> highest laws in the state, overriding ordinary laws
> and edicts. I'll just repeat that, because I don't
> think many people really appreciate it: the Senate can
> veto any measure of any assembly, magistrate or
> dictator, and can pass senatus consula ultima creating
> positive legislation which overrules everyone but a
> dictator.
>
As they could in antiquity. However NR is a VOLUNTARY organization.
You are here because you want to be. I wish we could all swear an oath
to listen to the Senate, magistrates, etc. when one first joins, so there
could
be some control over actions here. Excellent case in point, we should have
had
a census last year. We PASSED a lex to that effect. What has been done so
far? Nothing. What can we do about it? Nothing.


> Yes, I know that the Senate would only do these things
> in emergencies, and that there are constitutional
> provisions preventing the abuse of these powers. But
> the constitutional provisions can themselves be
> overruled by the Senate, and the argument that abuse
> does not occur is not a proof that it cannot.
>

Apollonius you remind me of a student I once had. He too always saw
the cup as half empty.
If the Senate became abusive, there would be 17 old men and
one woman sitting around talking about the glory days of
Nova Roma.
Everybody else would be long gone to other endeavors.

> I don't want this discussion to turn into a debate
> about whether it's good or bad for the Senate to have
> these powers. I'm happy to have that debate, and I
> think it should be had, but anyone wanting to have it
> please start a new thread. The point is this: while
> our Senate has these vast and overriding powers that
> the ancient Senate never had,
>

What are you talking about? The old had the power to modify the
constitution, levy
taxes, and control Rome's religio and politics. And if the people let them,
they did. Infact Livius makes it very clear the Senate ran things in the
early Republic. As the Plebeians demanded more control the Senate's iron
control slipped. But in time of war it was very powerful, and continued to
be so up until the post Sullian period.

> If the Senate had only its historical powers, then I
> would be ready to engage with the historical argument
> about its openness. Otherwise, however, history is
> beside the point.
>

Vedius never gave the Senate late Republic sensibilities. He instead went
for a more early republic power, since Nova Roma is a fledging entity, and we
need a sting senate. Second since for our corporate status the Senate is the
BoD of Nova Roma, those powers must be interchangeable as well.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Off Topic Fw: Prayer Request
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:59:54 -0800

Avete Omnes,

I know its not very often I come and ask for a prayer request...but today I feel I must ask. Yesterday Earthlink announced that they are laying off 25% of their staff, that equals about 1300 jobs. I know about 80 people who are going to lose their jobs during this corporate restructuring.

The individuals who are being terminated are in E-support, Technical Support and Customer Service.

Our centers in Dallas, Seattle, and Sacramento are closing. One of the three buildings in Pasadena (this is where I work) are being closed as well.

Vale,

Sulla

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] mugs
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:11:47 -0500

Salve Spurius Postumius Tubertus

I have tried to send you two e-mails in response to your request but they can back not delivered


Vale

Tiberius



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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Web Banners & html text for Save Alburnus Maior !
From:	Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:08:18 -0800 (PST)

Thank you Diana! I will use them!
Arnamentia

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:25:49 +0100
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Subject: Web Banners & html text for Save Alburnus
Maior !

Salvete webmasters,

<Web Masters of Nova Roma: would it be possible to put
<a link in your website to advertize this campaign?
<Have this petition signed by your relatives and your
<friends! Propagate the news!
<http://www.petitiononline.com/apuseni/petition.html

Anyone linking to the Save Alburnus Maior website can
use the banners
that I
have made (one in English and one in French) . I have
just uploaded
them to
the files section of the
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/

I've already put the text and links to the petition in
html format.
Everyone
is free to copy-paste it to their websites.
http://www.gensmoravia.org/AlburnusMaior.htm
(English)
http://www.gensmoravia.org/Alburnusfr.htm (French
translation by S.
Apollonius Scipio)


Valete,
Diana Moravia


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Senate & Plebs (WAS: Patricians Out)
From:	"Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:23:28 -0000

Salve, consul, Salve Aule Apoloni


> I certainly agree that the lines between the (theoretically)
balanced elements
> of the ancient Roman constitution were quite blurry, and that
Polybius'
> monarchic-aristocratic-democratic division is primarily a tool of
convenience
> which should be taken cum grano salis. I also agree that, most
likely, very
> few Romans would have thought of their government in Polybius'
terms. However,
> I do think that the Concilium Plebis was created and run in a
generally
> democratic spirit, while the Senate was maintained in a decidedly
aristocratic
> spirit.

I cannot resist that subject!

According to Machiavelli (Discourse about the books of Titus Livius),
the success of the roman government was that it mixed the three
perfect forms of government of Aristoteles and Polibius: Monarch,
Aristocracy and Democracy, having bodies modelled as that governments
forms gathering its advantages, the consulship, the Senate and the
Comitia Populis.

This form was not thought, but developed on the centuries of Republic.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Plebian List (was Patricians Out)
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:29:07 -0500 (EST)

Master G. Modius Athanasius;

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. Perhaps when you are
a Senator, you will see things in a slightly different light.

In answer to your questions:

--I sent the request publicly and not pivately because I wised to see if
others felt the same way as I. Apparently that question in my mind was
answered by numerous replies similar to my own as the Senior Tribune has
already mentioned on this list. She has changed her mind and revised
the list, so that all in Nova Roma will have an idea about what is being
decided and discussed. Apparently you have disregarded my comments
relating to ideas and working together;

--Yes, there are some relifious lists in Nova Roma which are closed to
me. I am not sure what you imply by the term "----even to you," but I
pass that by in explaining that while I respect the Religio Romana, I am
not of the Religio. Since I trust the Pontifex Maximus Julianus as a
colleague and as the spokesman for the Religio in Nova Roma, any
political or administrative ideas, changes or comments in those areas
from the College of Pontiffs I leave in his capable hands.

--I too support the Senior Tribune in her actions to date. She has
indicated a strong realization in her activiries with the list in
question and I am pleased to see those changes. I have not challenged
her authority but simply asked a question, apparently one which others
in Nova Roma also asked.

--I do not agree with you in regard to the comment that Patricians have
no busness on the Plebian List. Any ideas put forth by a Plebian
Assembly, and any laws resulting therefrom, must be obeyed by Patricians
and Plebians alike. Therefore I see no problem in having Patricians
working with Plebians to hammer out ideas, and activities which are the
best for all citizens of Nova Roma. My anchestor and I com from Plebian
stock and I have not forgotten that, as you seem to believe. My present
Patrcian standing is one of honor and recognition, and has no part in
attempting to bridle or determine for any Plebian his / her ideas, but
rather to work with them. This is my goal irrespective of what you
might think of my efforts.

--You are apparently new to Nova Roma. It was in my mind that there
possibly may be on or two items that have been previously discussed
during my tenure as Magistrate and active Nova Roma Citizen, and Senator
that perhaps has been discussed in the previous years of Nova Roma's
existance, that might be of interest to the newerr Plebians and
Patricians in Nova Roma. I will continue to think along those lines as
long as thre is significant support for those ideas, as I have seen in
this case.

--I have no desire to drive a wedge between th two classes. Since it
serves no purpose and inhibits the actions of working together to build
a stronger micronation. One sure way to creating a separate opposing
class in actual practice, is to begin to isolate the two from one
another. I view Patrician Status as a great honor, and to my knowledge
so do all those in the Gens Minucia. It is NOT, to my mind, a status
standing above anyone, it is NOT a title allowing anything but an honor
awarded, and it should NOT in any way inhbit the development of Nova
Roma. I have said such many times in many ways, and I shall continue to
say it to the new citizens of Nva Roma as tey are accepted here. I have
argued strongly in the Senate and the Main List, against anyone who
feels that Patrician Status in NR is a license to block or inhibit
Plebian actions, and I shall also continue to unertake that
responsibility.

Such is my reply to your message, and to anyone else who believes that I
have overstepped my responsibility.

Respectfully;

Marcus Mincius Audens

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ursus in tabernam... (from the archives)
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:42:38 -0500

Ursus in tabernam introit et cereversiam imperavit. Tabernarius ex taberna ad dominum curcurrum dicens, "O, domine! domine! Ursus in taberna est et cerevesiam desiderat!" Dominus tabernario respondit, "Stulte, utrum cerevisiam an mala vendimus in taberna? Urso cerevisiam venders potes et, quia ursi stulti sunt, dicere potes etiam: 'Pretium sestertium.'"

Tabernarius rediit in taberna et ursum dedit cerevisiam dicens, "Pretium sestertium." Ursus non respondit, sed cerevisiam recipit. Dixit tabernarius, fabulans in modo tabernariorium, "Nonne ursi rarae aves in tabernia?" "Vero," repondit ursus, "rari sumus certe propter cerevisia caritatem immmoderatam."

l
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V




















A bear went into a bar and orders a beer. The barkeep runs from the bar to his employer saying, "Boss! Boss! There's a bear in the bar and he wants a beer!" The owner answers him, "Idiot, do we sell beer, or do we sell apples in the bar? You can sell the bear a beer, and because bears are stupid animals you can tell him the price is a sestertium."

The bartender went back in the bar and gave the bear a beer saying, " The price is a sestertium." The bear didn't answer, but took the beer. The bartender, speaking in the way bartenders do, said, "Bears are rare birds in a bar, huh?" "True!," said the bear, "we are rare, doubtlessly because of the outrageous price of the beer."

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Earthlink Layoffs
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:47:46 -0500 (EST)

Senator Sulla Felix;

While I am sorry to hear of the loss of so many jobs in th e subject
organization, Iguess that I am not clear on what particular target you
ask for in the request for prayers. If you yourself are losing your
job, then you have my sympath and my prayers, I have been in that
situation once in my life and it is no fun at all!!!!!!

If the target are those others who are being laid off, then they have my
condolences as well, however they are not known to me, and so I will
make a general prayer for thier quick return to another job or vocation.

If your request is for a prayer to the reduction of Eathlink itself,
which I don't suppose that you would ask for, perhaps a better Customer
Service Program would be more in order. My personal experience with
Earthlink has been such that I would not again involve myself with them,
and several of my local friends agree with me.

So, you have my prayers for yourself, and for those who have been laid
off, and my hoes for a quick recovery and new job opportunities.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate & Plebs (WAS: Patricians Out)
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:33:52 +0000 (GMT)

A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator & Consular Q. Fabius
Maximus, greetings.

I must offer my apologies: it seems I have once again
failed to make myself sufficiently clear, and the
result is that you have mistaken my argument for a
different one.

I have not previously been discussing the question of
whether the Senate's powers in Nova Roma are
excessive. I suggested in my last message that anyone
who did want to engage with this important question do
so under a different subject-line; as you have not
changed the subject-line, I presume you are still
responding to my points about the relationship between
transparency and power.

You argue that the powers our Senate holds are
historical. I disagree. As I have said before,
however, this is a matter of historical interpretation
for which evidence can be adduced on both sides. I am
content to leave the argument where it is.

You then produce an argument which puzzles me. I'll
give a couple of quotations and then see if I can
summarize it correctly.

> However NR is a VOLUNTARY organization. You are here
> because you want to be. I wish we could all swear
> an oath to listen to the Senate, magistrates, etc.
> when one first joins, so there could be some control
> over actions here. Excellent case in point, we
> should have had a census last year. We PASSED a lex
> to that effect. What has been done so far?
> Nothing. What can we do about it? Nothing.
...
> If the Senate became abusive, there would be 17 old
> men and one woman sitting around talking about the
> glory days of Nova Roma. Everybody else would be
> long gone to other endeavors.

Your argument seems (correct me if I'm wrong) to be
that it doesn't matter whether the Senate's powers are
too great or not, because if they were and if the
Senate abused them, all the citizens would leave.

This seems to me a very strange way to justify the
current state of affairs. Do you mean that we should
be indifferent to the potential departure of all but
18 (the website says 20, but I am not a Senator so I
shall trust your figures) citizens? Surely it is
desirable that such a situation not occur in the first
place, and therefore that the conditions which you
suggest might create it also not occur? If the Senate
could legally bring about a state of affairs which
would cause the departure of the entire non-Senatorial
population, as in your hypothetical scenario, you seem
to be saying 'that would be okay, because everyone
would just leave', whereas I would tend to say 'that
would be bad, because everyone would just leave'.

If what you mean is that the Senate would never do it
because they wouldn't want everyone to leave, well,
perhaps we disagree, but I tend to think that laws and
constitutions are there to stop people and groups
having powers they shouldn't use. I do not take the
view that a constitution can give a body large powers
and then rely on that body not to use them - if it
does this, why not simply not give it the powers in
the first place?

And a final aspect of your case which confuses me is
this: I was under the impression that Nova Roma
intends at some stage in the future to be an
independent nation-state. If this aim were achieved,
your argument would no longer apply. Do you suggest
that it's fine for the Senate to be able to do things
now which it shouldn't be allowed to do later? I
struggle to understand the reasoning behind this.

And incidentally, I don't see how your example of the
census law is relevant. It was a law enacted by the
Tribal Assembly, and it was therefore the authority of
the People, and not the Senate, which was defied by
the failure to obey the law.

With respect, I must point out that you have twice
responded to messages in which I put forward the
argument that the extensive and overriding powers of
the Senate demand a proportional measure of
transparency. In neither of your responses have you,
as far as I can see, attempted to discuss the central
point of that argument, which is the relationship
between the powers and the transparency. In your first
message you discussed the need for the Senate to be
closed to spectators, but did not address the issue of
its powers. In your second message you defended the
powers of the Senate but did not say anything about
whether it should or should not be proportionally
transparent. So much as I enjoy discussing these
issues with you, and much as I agree they are
important and worthy of discussion, I'm afraid that
unless your next reply attempts to answer the central
point of my argument I shall find little motivation to
continue this non-debate.

Cordus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM I from the PLEBEIAN AEDILSHIP - DE SCRIBA DESIGNATIONE
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:19:32 -0300 (ART)

EDICTUM I FROM THE PLEBEAIN AEDILSHIP

DE SCRIBA DESIGNATIONE



The Plebeians Aediles, L. Arminius Faustus and M. Scribonius Curius Britannicus, in accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, issue together on full agreement, this edictum nominating the following citizens as their scriba:


M. Arminius Maior: Scriba Ludorum Senior
G. Galerius Peregrinator: Scriba Historicus
T. Arminius Genialis: Scriba Ludorum Retiarius (webmaster)

P. Tarquitius Rufus: Scriba Maximus



M. Arminius Maior, G Galerius Peregrinator, T. Arminius Genialis are assigned to L. Arminius while P. Tarquitius Rufus to M. Scribonius.







Datum a.d. III Kal. FEBRVARIAS MMDCCLVI a.u.c



L. Arminius Faustus

M. Scribonius Curio Britannicus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Provincia Hispania annual report and propraetorial resign
From:	laietanus <laietanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:36:11 +0100

Lucius Minicius Laietanus Senato S.P.D.

Ex officio propraetoris Hispaniae

Salvete Patres et Conscripti.

The following intends to be a brief report on the present status of the
province, as well as a formal communication to the Senate of my resign as
Propraetor, once accomplished a year of my appointment and according with
my commitment with the people and the internal regulations of Provincia
Hispania concerning to the annual renewal of all provincial offices and
magistrates.

On this matter, I would like to ask you to consider the candidature of
Caius Iulius Barcinus Circonius as my successor. He is in my opinion
qualified enough to afford this honour with responsibility and his
candidature has been supported by a wide majority of the citizens of
Hispania. He will submit it to you in the following days.

Hispania currently registers 90 citizens, 75% of whom appear as Assidui in
the Album Civium of Novaroma. The provincial mailing list has at the
moment 70 members, mainly citizens of Hispania, with a monthly average of
about 470 messages crossed. The administration of the province is under the
responsibility of the provincial Consilium, formed by the Propraetor, two
Legati and seven Scribae. The Curia Hispanica is the consultative body in
the heart of which the proposals of the citizens concerning the provincial
organisation are debated; the Curia is currently made up of 10
elected Decuriones, the two Legati and the Propraetor, and it is chaired
by the Princeps Curiae.

In the last year we have made an important effort to set the basis of our
provincial organisation promoting the participation in a common
project. Among the main goals it is well worth mentioning our two
provincial meetings in July and December, our regular local meetings, the
starting of the Legio Hispania project, the starting of our legal
registration as a non profit cultural association, the new monthly
provincial bulletin "Acta Diurna", the development of our weekly
provincial ludi, the constant improvements of our provincial web site or
our first annual comitia provincialia to choose the elected members of the
Curia and to decide the new candidate to the provincial propraetorship to
be submitted to the Senate.

We still have fortunately many other projects to develop and I think you
can be confident that the new Provincial Propraetor working together with
the Consilium and the local Curia will carry them on successfully.

My intention is of course to continue involved with Novaroma and specially
with our provincial development. I'll be at your disposal for any further
information you may require.

Thank-you all for your confidence and your support.

Lucius Minicius Laietanus
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Scheduled Events for Nova Britannia Feb. 03
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:08:43 -0500

Salvete,

There will be two Provincial events scheduled for February 2003. Both
are gallery talks at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts (www.mfa.org):

Title: GALLERY TALK - Portraits of the Ancient World
Date: Sunday, February 9, 2003
Time: 2 p.m.
Calendar: Talks, Courses, and Lectures
By: Heather Cotter
Meet at the Sharf Information Center.

Title: GALLERY TALK - Celebrating "Lupercalia," the ancient precursor of
Valentine's Day
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003
Time: 2 p.m.
Calendar: Talks, Courses, and Lectures
By: Henry Augustine Tate
Meet at the Sharf Information Center.

I would like to meet at the Sharf Information Center inside the MFA at
1:00pm for both events. This will give everyone time to get organized
and acquainted prior to the start of the tour. Admission is $15.00 for
adults, $13.00 for seniors and college students, and youths (7-17)
admitted free (on Sundays). One ticket is good for 2 visits within 30
days, so both events are covered. If you need directions, they are
available at: http://www.mfa.org/visit/directions.htm After the gallery
talk we can always check out other portions of the Museum or grab
something to eat. If you are interested in attending either event,
please R.S.V.P. on list - I'll be at both.

Thanks, and I hope to see you all there!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM DE MODERATIONE
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:10:12 +0100 (CET)

Ex Officio Praetorium

EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM DE MODERATIONE

The praetores of Nova Roma hereby define the guidelines for
appropriate usage of Nova Roma's public communication forum, currently
located at:
Nova_Roma@yahoogroups.com

These guidelines are based on the guidelines previously issued by
our predecessors (Pompeia Cornelia and Patricia Cassia). As praetores
of Nova Roma, though, we keep the right to change these guidelines in
the future.

I. The Nova Roma forum (herein referred to as 'the list') is set up
so that replies will automatically be sent to the entire list. Please
keep this in mind when you are replying. You are not issuing a
private email. If your reply is intended for only one member, and has
no benefit to the rest of the list subscribers, consider sending it
privately.

II. Posts that merely voice agreement with a previous post without
expanding on an issue in any way are discouraged.

III. Please trim your posts. When replying to a thread, snip
unnecessary sections of the original post for brevity, and indicate
where you have done so by printing <snipped> at the appropriate space.
Correct usage of snipping prevents large posts that can quickly fill
subscribers mailboxes

IV. If you feel you must dispute or criticize another person's post,
consider doing so in private.
Sometimes a person makes a genuine mistake, and your gentle correction
via private email means much more to them than potentially
embarrassing them in the forum over what is an innocent error. We know
that during political debates, private exchanges are impractical.
Please use discretion in this area.

V. It is entirely appropriate to disagree publicly with another's
stated views or another's actions as they report such, or with the
actions of Nova Roma's Magistrates, Senate or otherwise appointed
officials.
Nova Roma is an organization of individuals from a wide variety of
nations, religions, cultural backgrounds and political viewpoints, and
it is only reasonable that our views should differ.

Please consider the following when expressing disagreement of opposing
viewpoints:

* Express respect for the person and the entitlement to his opinion,
and faith in his or her good intentions.

* Point out any themes in which you do not agree.

* If in the criticism of a person's actions, perhaps in the capacity
of a magistrate or senator, point out specifically which actions you
are referring to. Quote the message number of the post in
which you base your account and opinions. This makes things more
objective and often helpful to the person in question, as to what,
specifically, you are referring to, and your issues with same.

* In an academic debate, endeavor to offer references to back up your
assertions.

* At all times maintain politeness in the expression of your opinion
and endeavour to respect the rights and opinions of others.

Inappropriate behaviour includes:

the use of profane language; misrepresentation of the truth for the
purpose of making another person look foolish; calling others names;
criticizing a poster's personal character as opposed to criticizing his
ideas; making derrogatory, belittling, subjective statements about the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome (quoting from a myth does not apply) or
belittling deities of other religions for entertainment. Further, in
the interests of those under 18, sexual references must be strictly
within the context of an historical discussion. Otherwise, they are to
be made in private.

The arbitrary advertisment of goods and services (SPAM) is not
permitted on the Nova Roma mainlist, unless the advertiser is a member
of Nova Roma's marketplace, the Macellum. Macellum merchants are
welcome to advertise from time to time in a low-key fashion. This
entails a signature line/file, a one-time announcement of initial
affiliation with the Macellum, advertising in response to a post of
inquiry made in the forum, or an ad once every three months or so
advertising your presence in the Macellum.

VI. If you feel that a post is inappropriate in any way, consider
mailing the individual concerned privately, explaining your rationale
for grievance and asking for clarification"

If you would like to talk to us confidentially about a particular
post, please contact us at praetors@novaroma.org .

VII: During the time leading up to elections (held each November and
occasionally at other times if offices become vacant) this list is one
of the forums where candidates express their views and present their
qualifications to the populace. All of the strictures governing
appropriate behaviour mentioned hereto, shall remain in place and
apply to all candidates and their supporters.

VIII: Please do not give out personal information (i.e., address or
phone number) to the list. While it would be pleasant to believe we
are all good-hearted and sane, we are not; you cannot trust in that.

IX: Due to the influxes of SPAM and past incidents of posts from
those who wish nothing but to cause disruption and insult to the list,
or particular subscribers of the list, to wit, TROLLS, it has become
necessary to place all new list members on Moderated Status, just
until we are satisfied that such persons are indeed here to celebrate
aspects of Roma Antiquita and Nova Roma, as opposed to being here for
unjustifiable reasons. This is unfortunate, but it has proved
necessary.

X: Language Policies

The forum of Roma Antiquita was a large venue, with people of
different languages conversing, a few in this corner, a few in that
corner.
Rome was a very mulicultured place in her glory. Mind you official
information was in Latin, and in some cases Greek, but people were
free to speak informally as they wished in the language of their
choice.
Our constitution mandates freedom of communication provided it is not
dangerous or disruptive.

Currently, the praetores can understand Latin, Spanish, French,
Italian and Portuguese, so messages in those languages are most
welcome. For other languages, help can be obtained from the decuria of
interpreters of Nova Roma.

Thanks to the decuria of interpreters and to several magistrates or
legates who are willing to assist with list moderation, 'informal'
communication in the forum is open to most main languages. Feel free
to post in English, Latin, Italian, Portugese, Spanish, Fench, German,
Russian, Norwegian, Finnish, Swedish or any Slavik language. The
Praetors have many to thank for efforts in this regard.

***Exception: This does not contravene the Lex Cornelia de Linguis
Publicus
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lege/index/html
which stipulates, though comitial mandate, that any offical government
legislation or priestly decrees must be issued in English or Latin
where applicable, so they can be translated verbatim into other
languages to be more easily understood by the entirety of the
populace.

XI. Topics of Discussion

The main focus of this list is Nova Roma and Roma Antiqua. However,
as members of a diverse international community we all have lives and
interests outside of Nova Roma. It is perfectly acceptable to discuss
non-Roman topics here, though keep in mind that not everyone may
share your interest in these topics.

XII: The Praetors have the imperium to govern the list, but prefer to
encourage positive interaction as opposed to punishing negative
behaviour. In the case of a poster whose actions violate these
guidelines aforementioned, the following escalated courses of
action shall be taken:

1.- A private memo from the Praetors' office or a Scribal designate,
stating the incident of infarction, and a reminder to review the
guidelines. Often people who are new to the list are not intentionally
trying to upset anybody.

2.- Another private memo as above.

3.- Moderated status (the poster may post but all posts
they issue are first reviewed by the Praetors or their designate).
The length of moderation shall be determined by the number of offences
in the past, the severity of the violation, and the intent to violate.
No citizen shall be kept in moderate status for more than 2 (two)
months
without a firm sentence issued by a legal court as described by the
Lex Salicia Iudiciaria:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-11-24-iii.html

(For example: Nobody is going to be placed on moderated status for an
extended time for failure to trim posts or for saying 'me too')

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Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR·ET·SENATOR
TRIVMVIR·ACADEMIAE
LICTOR·CVRIATVS

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