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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Goals and a Plan (Was: Quo Vadis?)
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:02:15 -0500

Sp. Postumius Quiritibus et Marco Cassio Juliano Patri S.P.D.

Salvete,

I took notes on what you said, Marce Cassi, while my educational processes were continuing by exploding chemicals today, and, after
a long day, I can finally reply to your wise words.

I should like to simply comment only on the points you made regarding the goals set at the Founding. I think your other words speak
for themself. (I would like to offer to put my money where C. Basilicatus has his mouth regarding what you replied to (not preserved
herein for the sake of brevity), but I do not have any money to put there!)

> I. INDIVIDUALS - (....) Our most basic ideal is
> that Romanitas is worth exploring, learning and preserving, and that a life
> which includes Romanitas is more interesting and meaningful.

Agreed. Romanitas is indeed worh exploring, and more, and I must say that my life has become more meaningful since I have added what
Romanitas I may to my life.

> Thoughts on overall achievement: Most things in Nova Roma are hoped to lead
> toward this goal. List discussion, Sodalitas groups, Provincial community,
> festivals and events, participation in the Religio, political participation,
> etc. can help bring a greater sense of Romanitas - if we allow them to.

As stupid or antagonistic as this may seem to be, I must ask: How might we 'allow them to'? I have no answers to this, but I hope
you do.

> Specifics: Additional sodalitas groups (and supporting the ones we have)
> might be helpful. There are many aspects of Roman life and culture that have
> no official 'place' for focus and gaining more Citizen interests, and the
> places we do have, such as the cooking and poetry sodalitiae, are not given
> much official attention/encouragement. This is a place where we could learn
> from the "guilds" in the SCA, even if our intent is somewhat 'deeper' as far
> as incorporation into daily life.

And again, how might we support the ones we have? Let me just say, before I do seem antagonistic, that I am most certainly all for
these ideas, I just am not exactly sure of how to make them work, or even how they hypothetically could work.

> II. FAMILIAE & HOUSEHOLDS
(...)
> Thoughts on overall achievement: As with individuals, many of the aspects of
> Nova Roma are intended to encourage Romanitas within the household and
> family. Here local participation and group involvement becomes even more
> important, as they are more easily shared than email.

I believe C. Modius (though I may be wrong) brought up the idea of colonies, municipia, poloi, etc. Perhaps we should take a second
look at this, and figure out how to make it work for this purpose.

> Specifics: Roman commerce can also a part here as well
> - the more Roman goods are available, the more 'Roman' a household can seem.
> Encouraging the Ordo Equester might be a helpful thing.

I most certainly agree. Unfortunately, I have neither the funds nor the knowledge to start up my own business. But if Nova Roma inc.
can raise up the funds, would it be possible for her to engage upon some business enterprises as well? Also, I realize that the
current minimum for contribution from the Ordo Equester is five percent gross or ten percent of the total profit margin. Would it be
more adventageous to set a conditional statement rather than a percentage (e.g. either $1000 US or ten percent of the total profit
margin? (maybe not $1000, but the idea is apparent))? I am not a businessman, so I could not say one way or the other on this. It
just happens to be an idea.

> III. PROVINCIAE
(...)
> Thoughts on overall achievement: Our Provincial Praetors, and their Legates,
> are intended first and foremost to be 'contact people' and local
> coordinators. It is in them that the trust is put that local events will
> happen whenever there are enough people to allow it, that information gets
> disseminated on the local level, citizens become encouraged locally, etc.
> Local organization and participation is critical. Consuls, Senators, etc. can
> only do so much on the state level... folks have to be out there organizing
> and hosting local events, putting out flyers, and much more.

Again, would it be advantageous for us to set a minimum activity level for the governors to uphold (e.g. one formal gathering per
year) to encourage an increased activity level. I know that there are some governors who already try for this, some that even exceed
this, and I also realize that putting on an event is not always easy, but participation and face-to-face atmospheric gatherings are
necessitated for the growth of Nova Roma. If we are not here for Her growth, what are we here for? To role-play?

> Specifics: There may be many more things that the 'State' could do to assist
> growth of and participation within the Provinciae. Closer support of Praetors
> and Legates, providing more resources (such as flyers, websites, etc.)
> assistance with gatherings and more are possible. All of our Citizens are
> more likely to be active if they have the chance to participate in live
> events, local groups, etc. This is another place where we could learn from
> the SCA. Their local Provinces have scheduled meetings, public classes,
> events, etc. Local leadership might even be better coordinated. For instance,
> there is a Provincial Praetors list which not all Praetors belong to, no
> provincial legates belong to, and no one else in government belongs to. The
> only communication between the state and local branches are by individual
> emails, or on the main list.

Fully agreed to. Only one comment, on the phrase regarding public classes. Perhaps we should put this in with the idea of local
groups, that a minimum meeting limit must be maintained, and it is within the duty of the governor to ensure this minimum is met by
all local groups. Again, an idea.

> IV: THE 'STATE' GOVERNMENT
(...)
> Thoughts on overall achievement: Many duties are expected of magisterial
> offices, yet there seem to be few resources to support them. As yet Nova Roma
> has put little into either training or support, leaving our officers to sink
> or swim. (Much the same problems as our Provincial officers face.) It is
> little wonder that it is not unusual for our volunteer officers to 'burn out'
> or fade away. We might benefit from more direction toward good service, and
> more reward for service well done.

Any ideas on the training and support section?

> Specifics: Nova Roma might well benefit from returning to the idea of
> 'magisterial handbooks' available online for our officers, and from our
> magistrates using the "NR Magistrates list" to discuss problems and find
> common solutions. Also, we should have a way of recognizing work well done by
> *anyone*, both magistrates and private Citizens, on behalf of Nova Roma.

Though I realize that not every Censor may care to read it, Sulla has made a Censor's Handbook. As you say, Pater Juliane, perhaps
we would benefit from more of this sort of thing. They may not always be the best material for success in an office, but at worst it
will always give officers something to work with.

> V. LAND AND PROPERTY
(...)
> Thoughts on overall achievement:
(...)
> (And, to be honest, the founding documents do not say that
> our 108 acres should be our first, or even only land holding.)

So, let me go back to something Senator Drusus said. He mentioned getting a larger plot of land, and selling what is left from our
forum plans to citizens (I would like to expand this to businessmen (foreign and domestic)). Perhaps we should look into this as
well. Or perhaps buying land one acre at a time. Or even, (bad idea, I realize) being that we are international, buying space
wherever we can get it, and putting whatever the Senate decides upon in those places.

> Specifics: The Senate should approach the issue of land, much as it was
> finally forced to approach the issue of taxation.

YES! Full agreement again here!

> Land will continue to be a
> divisive issue until we set a firm goal as to if we really want land or not,
> and if so, exactly what type we're looking for. Then Nova Roma can work
> toward a goal. Perhaps this could begin with an official call for specific
> 'plans' to be submitted for voting, the Senate could then choose the best few
> for voting by the Comitiae.

I like this. Perhaps the Senate, whenever they are ready, could begin with an official call for specific 'plans' to be submitted
for, at least, review, and perhaps even voting. But I think the People should at least get to look at all the proposals, even if
they do not get to vote on all of them. If nothing else, a group of citizens can take the pros of a group of plans and put them
together to submit a new 'plan' to the Senate for review. Again, an idea.

> VI. SOVEREIGN STATUS
(...)
> Specifics: We can certainly make plans to build our culture and
> infrastructure, and we can plan toward an administrative and religious world
> capital.

Precisely! I think we should start with the culture and infrastructure, then move to the administrative and religious. This way, we
don't have a capital with no infrastructure. We can have infrastructure without a capital, but it is almost (if not entirely)
necessary for us to have infrastructure before a capital.

> VI. THE RELIGIO ROMANA
(...)
> The second was to restore the worship of the Roman Gods as a living faith,
> meaningful and growing, among individuals through private spirituality and
> worship.

I realize that some of our sacerdotes are charged with this duty, but how about having some people who would otherwise not like to
be a sacerdos work as scribes (or something, I am unsure what to call them) with the duty of researching the worship of a specific
diety or cults of the Ancients, etc. Perhaps, again, requiring a minimum limit of literature that must come from each priesthood?

> Specifics: The Religio Romana in Nova Roma has reached a point where the
> basic foundations have been laid, and further growth is needed. More teaching
> materials, more opportunities for public ritual, and additional activity
> overall have been common requests. To this end, the Collegium Pontificum has
> recently been presented with a list of the tasks that need to be done, and an
> opportunity for each Pontiff to choose what they prefer to work on. Once that
> is done the rest of the Priesthood will get a similar opportunity.

I think this goes back to the point I made before, that perhaps a minimum literary publication should be instituted to remain in a
position of religious authority.

----

To end, I would like to say that this is all my opinion, but I have indeed been sincere and serious in all that I have said, and I
hope you all will consider it deeply. Also, I would like to thank you, Pater Marce Cassi, for your infinite wisdom and guidance, and
to thank both yourself and Fl. Vedius for founding this nation which I so love.

Optime Valete in Pace Sui Aeterna,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

Retiarius, Scriba, Citizen, Accensus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Latin Dictionary Software
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:36:06 -0600

Salve,
If anyone is interested in a Latin Dictionary go to
http://www.ultralingua.com they have that and other
Languages available in Mac/Windows/Palm formats. I
have downloaded a demo version. The non-demo one
will cost $29.95(for my Mac iBook).

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] America Medioccidentalis Superior Announcement's
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:32:26 -0600

Salvete Omnes,
I find I am going to need a new Provincial Webmaster and will need a
new Legate Major for
Regio Silvestris. Drusus Aeneas Apollonius Cygnus
has stepped down as Legate Major for Regio Silvestris
and as Provincial webmaster. Any Citizen living in
the Regio who is interested in either position can
e-mail me privately.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:33:03 +0000

...With respect to the oft repeated claim that we need a plan, I
commend to you all

http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/index.html

------------------------------------------------------------
Salvete

Can anybody explain to me, when I click the above web site from the post
it opens it, but if I type it in my search space it does not find the site.
And I could only log into it by clicking it from the post.

Gaius Galerius Peregrinator.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] How To Get Free Media/Press Coverage for Your Nova Roma Project
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:14:45 -0000

How To Get Free Media/Press Coverage for Your Nova Roma Project

By: Octavia Fabia Scriba

Perhaps you have a project or product about ancient Rome that's
educational and you'd like to make people aware of, but need wide
media coverage. How can you easily launch your project or product in
the media without cost to you? Do you write frequently about ancient
Rome or similar subjects and want to launch your project in the
media and attract the attention of the press? Here are some media
techniques that worked immediately for me with my mystery novels and
nonfiction books and can work for your Nova Roma project or novel on
ancient Rome.
Normally the media wouldn't ask the time of day from a print-
on-demand paperback author who didn't spend a dime on promotion or
have any income. As a home-based nearly blind senior citizen,
there's no way I could do public speaking or book signings and talk
to the public, but I needed free media coverage on my novels. For
you, this could be your novels on ancient Rome or any other project
or product.
First I interviewed experts who wanted free publicity for
their products and made myself available as a customer interested in
being interviewed by the press about what I thought of the products.
It's done in marketing research all the time, and if the press
wanted my opinion of any company's product I'd used, I volunteered
to tell the media what I thought of the product�that I found it
satisfactory and would buy it again, that is, if it lived up to its
promises, which it did in the products I purchased.
I found it easier to work with the media to publicize someone
else's product or project in order to mention to the media that I
just happened to write books myself and pointed out the title of my
book and how it was related to the product I had enjoyed.
In the last two years, 30 books I wrote were published all
paperback print on demand. So there was no chance the media would
have the slightest interest in my books unless I mentioned it as a
side thing to the real story for which they interviewed me to get�
which was why I liked a particular company's product on the cutting
edge of technology.
You, too can use this to get free press coverage for almost
anything you're working on for Nova Roma. I began my quest to find a
suitable project or product to publicize for free by interviewing
various experts, scientists, historians, genealogists, authors, and
owners of companies who eagerly wanted free press attention and good
publicity at no cost to them or to me. I volunteered to write an
article about their product for their Web site after I used it and
was happy with it, and let them know the article would be available
to the press. I made sure to let them know that I'd be available for
an email interview by the media anytime.
The deal I made with the companies is that I'd use their
product and then tell the media what I really thought of it as a
customer. Then when the press asked me what I did or who I was, I
mentioned that I'm an author and showed them my latest books.
This strategy works well with disseminating history
education materials to the public or to educators. The owners of the
companies also put my article on their Web site in exchange for me
agreeing to be interviewed by the press regarding my experience as a
customer for their company.
I use this strategy and similar techniques to obtain free
media coverage for any book I write. It's combined with
volunteerism. It works this way. I tell the press good things about
the product of a company when I've used the product and believe the
product is great. And in turn, they refer the press to me for an
interview about their product.
During the interview, I can when asked what I do, then inform
the press I write books and show them the cover of any or all of my
books. The press mentions my book in the interview, and I get free
coverage for various titles relevant to the product being discussed.
So in Nova Roma, if you have a project or product, a video, art
work, historical materials for education, or whatever, it can work
the same with individuals or with a group.
So in order to get the media to contact me instead of me
always asking the media for attention here's my strategy. First I
contacted three companies and purchased their products. I chose the
one company that best fulfilled my requirements and highly praised
also the other three who also did a great job. I wrote them that I
highly recommended the three test products that I purchased from
three different companies. Of the three, usually there was one
company that had exactly what I required.
I wrote to that company that its product is the best, of the
three I've tested, and it is--because it answered the question I
wanted answered, or it provided the results I wanted, or solved the
problem I needed solved. This could be done with almost any product,
project, learning materials, plays, or books. It could be done with
anything offered in Nova Roma from education to publications,
products to projects. You might even try an audio play online.
Then I asked the company's owner to contact its marketing
manager in order to send the press to me whenever the corporation
needed a satisfied customer to tell the press why I was satisfied
with the company's merchandise. The company's owner and marketing
manager both liked the idea.
I went to the owner first, and he contacted his marketing
manager who dealt with me next. I agreed to tell the press my
experiences. I made sure the press knows that the reason why I
tested the three companies by purchasing their products was to find
out more background for my two books, one a mystery novel, and the
other, a sequel nonfiction how-to book based on some of the
background plot of my novel.
When I settled on working with the company that gave me the
most pertinent information to help me write my novel and my
nonfiction book, I also managed to get a good quote from that
company for my nonfiction book. In any case, it resulted in the
marketing manager of the selected company emailing me whether it
would be okay to send a CBS reporter to me, among other press people
over a span of time. I said yes, have the reporter email me to
discuss details of my experiences with the product.
I said, of course I wanted to give email interviews to the
media. I told the marketing manager to have the media contact email
me to discuss details and experiences.
Had I contacted the press myself to review or write about my
book or me, I would most likely have been ignored, being a print on
demand paperback author of 30 books without funds to pay for
promotions or publicity from a book publicist. Most reporters who
might have responded would have asked for a press review copy of the
book, and I can't afford to buy copies of my book from the print on
demand publisher as I have no income and am a senior citizen based
at home in and out of my wheelchair and with sight only in one eye.
Also, being speech impaired somewhat, I'm not going to give lectures
or attract a live audience to hear the plays I write.
Many print-on-demand publishers do not send out free press
review copies. An author pays for each copy. I had to find a way to
get my book into the media without it costing me to buy copies of my
own book and give them away to reporters who might toss them,
ignored. I also couldn't afford to hire a publicist. There had to be
a way to get free media coverage up front as I wrote about my actual
experiences with a product I discussed in my nonfiction book where
scientists and others comment on the subject of the book as a tool,
which was based in part on my novel.
I had to find a way to get free media coverage with credible
backing, and there's power in numbers. So if numbers mean so much,
Nova Roma should have a field day with the media and the various
societies of professional journalists. The numbers consisted of the
three companies which I highly praised as they deserved. All did a
great job. I picked the last company because the CEO invented a
certain test that the other companies use successfully.
In any case, the outcome was free publicity from the media
on a continuing basis as the marketing manager of that one selected
company for the time being sends me reporters to discuss my
experiences with that company's product offering. Experiences would
include why I chose to deal with the company, what I purchased, and
why.
Each time I expressed my satisfaction with the company and
highly praise it, as it well deserves for a good product, I also get
to mention to the press the last two of my books, fiction and
nonfiction. My nonfiction book is based on the premise of my mystery
novel, but with facts to help people understand the topic of my book
and other help topics.
This is one way I can think of today to get wide media
attention with the effort of the marketing manager of another
company, since there would be no way I could afford to pay a
publicist to do the same for me. So to help other writers or
historians out there, find some product related to mentioning Roman
history. Make sure you're really happy with the product and find out
why you're satisfied.
Contact a company. Be happy with the product and tell them
why it worked best for you. Perhaps you can suggest to the owner to
let his/her marketing manager refer the press/media to you for
interviews on that Nova Roma-related product. Mention your project
or book if it's related to the product as my two books are. I've
never earned any money with all this publicizing, but at least I got
a color photo of my book cover in a major daily newspaper and a
summary of what the thing is about.
This also works well for writers with books or educational
materials about or set in ancient Rome who mention a lot of food
items and cooking. It also works for projects involving ancient
recipes, clothing, animals, antiques, investments, sports products,
or other tangible items related to re-creation of ancient Rome's
history, laws, ideas, architecture, politics, or other projects.
This works best for me with my contemporary and historical
mystery novels that deal with the tangible item, such as a recipe,
and not too well with projects dealing with abstract items such as
ideas or advertising. You publicize a company for free and they
refer reporters to you to publicize them, but then you mention your
own project or book and get press coverage too. Maybe this strategy
will be useful for anybody creating art or educational materials,
novels, or whatever related to Nova Roma or ancient Rome as an
educational tool for the public
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Why Are The Ancient Roman Provinces of the South Missing?
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:29:49 -0000

Just wondering why are the ancient Roman provinces of the South end
of the Mediterranean missing? We have Panonia/Poland, Spain,
Romania,Portugal, Sarmatia Italy, Turkey, Thule Germania,
etc.....How come there's no Greece, Armenia (except in Brazil)
Carthage, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Syria, Babylonia, Persia, or Egypt or
Lebanon (Phoenecia) or Cyprus? I don't see any Assyrians or Greeks
in the Nova Roma provinces, or didn't I look close enough? The whole
south half of the Mediterranean that once were under ancient Rome as
colonies are missing. Anyone from these countries or former colonies
a Nova Roman? How come?

Re: Sarmatia: Russia. The Roman army brought hundreds of Sarmatian
soldiers into Britain and settled them there. These peoples came
from the south part of Russia, but spoke an Iranic language.

Also, Aren't there any Middle Eastern countries in Nova Roma? Just
wondering. Also, the Roman way of life has been picked up by
Silhoutte Romances. My favorite author, Merline Lovelace has a great
romance novel that just came out again--it was brought back into
publication from the first edition of 1994, about a Roman Centurion
and his Air Force pilotlady brought by time travel to the world of
ancient Romans. In demand now by publishers--romance novels set in
ancient Rome and time-travel novels that take place mostly in
ancient Rome. So you people who write romance novels, not only
mystery novels like my favorite Steven Saylor novels such as Arms of
Nemisis, now a screenplay (seeking production), but the theme of
ancient Rome crosses genres.

In any case, now that I'm retired as a former English/journalism
university educator, I've lined up a half dozen novels on ancient
Rome to read. I looked forward to this retirement for a long time so
I can read all these books, including Tacitus and Plutarch. Anyone
suggest any other books? I have almost the entire ancient Roman
world in my own ancestry--Roman, Greek, Armenian, Sicilian,
Karelian, and who knows what else. Thanks.

Octavia Fabia Scriba

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Caesar's Palace in Reno?
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:37:41 -0000

Why not consider a convention also in Caesar's Palace in Reno? It
might get more people who don't like the traffic and smog in Vegas.
Just a thought. It's right next to Tahoe ski country or lake.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Appointment of Legate Major
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:51:50 -0600

Salvete Omnes,
With pleasure I announce the appointment of Gaius
Basilicatus Agricola as Legate Major for Regio Campus
of America Medioccidentalis Superior Province. I am
sure he will serve the Province and Nova Roma well.

Valete,

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Why Are The Ancient Roman Provinces of the South Missing?
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:53:06 +0100 (MET)

Salve!
I highly recommend Petronius and Apuleius. It is a lot of fun to read them,
and you are closer to the majority of the romans.
Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
Paterfamilias, Eques.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Public Dioscuri Ritual, Monday, Jan 27th
From:	Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:52:56 -0800 (PST)

How does a Nova ROman learn how to be a priest/follower of the Dioscuri
cassius622@aol.com wrote:Salvete,

It has been a while since a ritual has been publicly posted to the lists for
Citizens to share in. It is my hope that this year it can be done on a
regular basis, so that all those interested in the Religio may practice
together even while separated geographically.

Some members of the priesthood and myself intend to do a ritual to the
Dioscuri, Castor and Pollux, tomorrow - Monday, January 27th. The rite may be
done at any time of the day or evening, so hopefully others can join in even
with this short notice! :)

The Dioscuri are divine twins, sons of Iuppiter, who are thought to be Savior
deities, and who are also patrons of the Equestrian order, cavalry units in
the Legions, athletes, and sailors. Castor and Pollux are said to be friends
of humanity who bring salvation in times of trouble or crisis.

The short prayer and offering to follow is to be done at the home Lararium,
and is a simple rite to ask the Dioscuri for their blessings on our community
and ourselves. I will be posting the instructions to the rite itself directly
after this, and invite all Citizens who practice the Religio to join in by
doing the rite tomorrow!

This ritual has been brought together from a number of sources including two
great websites set up by Pontiff Marcus Cornelius Scriptor: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Sparta/7249/Ritual.html">
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Sparta/7249/Ritual.html</A>

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Sparta/7249/Cult.html">http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Sparta/7249/Cult.html</A>

A fine web page put up by Sacerdos Iulia Vopisca, with a rite by Flamen Gaius
Iulius Iulanus:
<A HREF="http://www.aztriad.com/dioscuri.html">http://www.aztriad.com/dioscuri.html</A>

And material by Citizen Ovidia Luna and Pontiff Antonius Gryllus Graecus. I
am afraid the prayer is in English, but perhaps there is enough time for
others to find comparable prayers in Latin or other languages.

There are a few important festivals coming up next month, including the
Lupercalia (Feb 15), the Quirinalia (Feb 17), the Terminalia (Feb. 23), the
Regifugium (Feb. 24), and the Equirria (Feb 27). I am hoping for another
public rite for at least the Lupercalia, but if any Citizen or member of the
Priesthood would like to offer text for any of the other rites, more can be
available. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Why Are The Ancient Roman Provinces of the South Missing?
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 05:08:26 EST

In a message dated 2/3/03 9:40:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
biojournalism@hotmail.com writes:

> Anyone
> suggest any other books?

Livius History of Rome. The Loeb is the best. The Penguins are abridged.
Polybios "Histories" Again Loeb is the best. Since Penguin leaves out some
important
info in "The Rise of Rome."
Q Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Why Are The Ancient Roman Provinces of the South Missing?
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 05:09:45 EST

In a message dated 2/3/03 9:54:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
caiustarquitius@gmx.de writes:

> Petronius and Apuleius.

Except these are Principate writers, and not Republican.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Why Are The Ancient Roman Provinces of the South
From:	Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com>
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:33:15 -0700

Salvete,

Octavia Fabia, welcome to Nova Roma! You may want to look into Alice
Borchardt's " The Wolf King" and "Night of The Wolf",
It's a blend of Ancient Rome and Celtic/Druidic orgins. I highly recommend
this Author to everyone.

Bene Vale,
R. Cornelia Aeternia

-----Original Message-----
From: biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
[mailto:biojournalism@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:30 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Why Are The Ancient Roman
Provinces of the South Missing?

Just wondering why are the ancient Roman provinces of the
South end
of the Mediterranean missing? We have Panonia/Poland, Spain,

Romania,Portugal, Sarmatia Italy, Turkey, Thule Germania,
etc.....How come there's no Greece, Armenia (except in
Brazil)
Carthage, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Syria, Babylonia, Persia, or
Egypt or
Lebanon (Phoenecia) or Cyprus? I don't see any Assyrians or
Greeks
in the Nova Roma provinces, or didn't I look close enough?
The whole
south half of the Mediterranean that once were under ancient
Rome as
colonies are missing. Anyone from these countries or former
colonies
a Nova Roman? How come?

Re: Sarmatia: Russia. The Roman army brought hundreds of
Sarmatian
soldiers into Britain and settled them there. These peoples
came
from the south part of Russia, but spoke an Iranic language.

Also, Aren't there any Middle Eastern countries in Nova
Roma? Just
wondering. Also, the Roman way of life has been picked up by

Silhoutte Romances. My favorite author, Merline Lovelace has
a great
romance novel that just came out again--it was brought back
into
publication from the first edition of 1994, about a Roman
Centurion
and his Air Force pilotlady brought by time travel to the
world of
ancient Romans. In demand now by publishers--romance novels
set in
ancient Rome and time-travel novels that take place mostly
in
ancient Rome. So you people who write romance novels, not
only
mystery novels like my favorite Steven Saylor novels such as
Arms of
Nemisis, now a screenplay (seeking production), but the
theme of
ancient Rome crosses genres.

In any case, now that I'm retired as a former
English/journalism
university educator, I've lined up a half dozen novels on
ancient
Rome to read. I looked forward to this retirement for a long
time so
I can read all these books, including Tacitus and Plutarch.
Anyone
suggest any other books? I have almost the entire ancient
Roman
world in my own ancestry--Roman, Greek, Armenian, Sicilian,
Karelian, and who knows what else. Thanks.

Octavia Fabia Scriba

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Times Article by Julilla
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:11:36 +0100

Salvete,

I just want to thank Julilla Sempronia Magna for how-to article on Roman
Women's Costume
which is in this month's Roman Times. I'll let you know how mine comes out!

Julilla, next you need to write an article on how to make Roman men's
clothing so that *all* the male citizens who attend the next NR Rally in
Europe can be in Roman clothes (right Serapio? :-)) And at least I'll have
proper clothing rather than wearing belly-dancing type clothes and trying to
make believe that it is Roman :-)

Vale and thanks again Julilla!
Diana Moravia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Public Dioscuri Ritual, Monday, Jan 27th
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus <cassius622@aol.com>" <cassius622@aol.com>
Date:	Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:02:38 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@y...>
wrote:
> How does a Nova ROman learn how to be a priest/follower of the
Dioscuri?

Salve,

Thanks for asking this question, it's always great to see someone
interested in working publicly on behalf of the Gods. :)

Firstly, and most importantly, one would need to be an experienced
practitioner of the home Lararium. One needs to have a good practical
understanding of the Religio Romana before being able to practice on
behalf of the entire Roman community. If you haven't already been
doing Roman rituals for some time, I do recommend visiting the
Religio Romana section of the NR website. There you will find
information on how to set up a home Lararium, the basic daily rites,
etc. If you have questions about any of that you can always post to
the ReligioRomana list, or email any of the Pontiffs.

Doing the household rites (and other rituals as desired) at the home
Lararium gives good practical 'hands on' experience. However, that is
only part of what's needed. Study and learning about the Religio
Romana is crucial. There are some excellent books recommended in
the "bookstore" section of the Macellum that can help you get
started, and again feel free to ask questions when you're ready for
more.

I beleive a priesthood position dedicated to Castor and Pollux would
be a "Sacerdos" position, so the office would be "Sacerdos Dioscuri"
or perhaps "Sacerdos Castores". This priestly office would require
both regular private rites to Castor and Pollux, and also presiding
over public rituals. In other words, a "Sacerdos Dioscuri" should be
presenting public rituals as I made an attempt at on January 27.

Definitely good knowledge of the Dioscuri would be needed. This would
take some real research on your part, but you'd have the benefit of
in a sense being able to build your priesthood from the 'ground up'.

Eventually, when you felt ready, you would need to make an
application to the Collegium Pontificum for your desired priesthood.
The length of time you'd want to spend before making such an
application would vary. If you were already a long-time practitioner
of the Religio, maybe only a few months of specific research would be
needed. If you're starting as a new beginner, more time to learn and
practice would be a good idea.

The Collegium Pontificum would then evaluate your application, and
ask questions, request further information if needed, etc. A vote
would be taken. If you were approved, you would be given instructions
on how to proceed from there... if not, you would recieve info on
what you'd need to learn before you could apply again.

Hope that helps. If you have any further questions, please feel free
to email me in private. :)

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Times Article by Julilla
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:07:58 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> scripsit:
> Salvete,
>
> I just want to thank Julilla Sempronia Magna for how-to article on
Roman
> Women's Costume which is in this month's Roman Times. I'll let you
know how mine comes out!
>
> Julilla, next you need to write an article on how to make Roman
men's clothing so that *all* the male citizens who attend the next NR
Rally in Europe can be in Roman clothes (right Serapio? :-)) And at
least I'll have proper clothing rather than wearing belly-dancing
type clothes and trying to make believe that it is Roman :-)

Multas gratias, Diana, for your kind words and the recommendation!
Nothing could be easier than making amictus for the average Roman
dominus (Serapio's was perfect); I'll get right on that!

seamstress Julilla Sempronia Magna

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Times Article by Julilla
From:	aneaapollonia@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:13:00 EST

In a message dated 2/4/2003 12:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
curatrix@villaivlilla.com writes:

> And at
> least I'll have proper clothing rather than wearing belly-dancing
> type clothes and trying to make believe that it is Roman :-)
>

Julilla,
I think you should wear the dance attire anyway ... that way I don't have to
be the only one.

Vale,
I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Fashion
From:	aneaapollonia@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:21:49 EST

Salve,
Whoops! That was Diana who posted the dance clothing referrance! Thats
alright Julilla, I'm sure you look lovely in dance attire too. :o) But while
this is on my mind, how is NR fashion doing right now? What is acceptable
stylish dress for the get togethers held throughout the year?

Vale,
The Fashion Impaired I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Columbia- I thought you would like to see this
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:54:14 -0500

Salve Romans this is from one of the web site I subscribe too and thought you might like to read this one.

Vale Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

COLUMBIA

Columbia gone - seven brave souls
Who each took on incredible roles
In the frontiers of space,
With �lan and with grace,
Accepting risk in pursuit of our goals.

Columbia gone - and now we mourn.
It's a time when emotions are torn.
As we grieve for the dead
We must still look ahead -
Honor them with a program reborn.

Columbia gone, incredibly,
We feel like they're our own family -
Each a permanent part
Of our collective heart.
To those brave astronauts - RIP.

Copyright, 2003
KLDD Telecom
(http://www.KLDD-Telecom.com)

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