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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:11:07 -0800 (PST)

Salve,
The death of a Hero is always news, and to a great
many people (including myself) those who are exploring
the fronteer of space are heros. There is a heroic
aspect in a sory of seven explorers meeting an
untimely death that is totaly lacking in a story of
people dying because they happened to be in the wrong
place at the wrong time.

Space exploration is the great adventure of our times.
In the future the onset of space exploration is what
our times will be remebered for, just as the onset of
European exploration is what the later 15th and 16th
Centuries are remembered for.

--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:
> Salve Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus,
>
> > Please, I keep on wondering why are we discussing
> this topic in this
> > forum. Is it just because it happened in US?
> In a word: yes.
> Other countries don't have the high drama media &
> propoganda machine at work
> for them like the US does. These 7 deaths are indeed
> sad, but they've
> received about 50,000 times more media attention
> here in Europe than the
> 14000 people who died in Turkey in the earthquake of
> 1999.... And if I see
> one more grammatically incorrect, pseudo-sensitive,
> teary eyed speech from
> George W. Bush, I think I'll puke.(Hate mail can be
> sent direct to
> diana@pandora.be..... )
>
> Vale!
> Diana Moravia
>
>

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Space Shuttle Columbia (Off-toic)
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 01:49:40 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, me-in-@d... wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> By the way, are you aware that the conspiracy theories are flying
>already even worse than the usual kind because they're theories of
>failed conspiracy - trying to put the blame on Al-Quida
>unsuccessfully. Not much to worry about useless conspirators then!

Salve,

I've heard a few of the conspiracy theories. It would be easier to
hide an elephant behind a mouse than to smuggle a bomb onto the
shuttle. As for missles, either terrorists or a domestic military
oops, considering the shuttle was moving 12 times the speed of sound
it would be akin to taking down the elephant hiding behind the mouse
using a paper clip and a rubber band while standing two miles away.
The wilder theories I've seen circulate the net is of the "they found
proof of alien life, and the aliens (and/or NASA) decided that the
shuttle had to be sacrificed because mankind isn't ready for that
knowledge" variety. I'm afraid that when the investigation concludes
the most probable cause will be found to be rather mundane and most
likely be several causes that compounding upon one another that
doomed the re-entry.

There are those pundits calling to end to the shuttle program and put
NASA's resources into robotic exploration and denounce the
International Space Station as a make work program for the shuttles.
In 1519, 27 years after Columbus' first voyage, Magellan set out from
Spain with 250 men and five ships to circumnavigate the globe. In
1522, one ship and 18 men made it back to Spain. Magellan wasn't one
of them. In 40 years of manned space exploration between the US and
Russia we've lost a total of 22 people in the process. We will never
reach 100% safety in space exploration, but we don't have 100% safety
in our own automobiles and I hear not one of the Luddite pundits
saying we should go back to the days of horse and buggy.

To those Luddite pundits I say that we owe it to all those that have
lost their lives in the process of exploring our own world to
continue to reach out to pull back the curtain of the unknown. Human
beings may be violent, cruel, and savage animals. We are also a
highly intelligent, curious, and gentle animals as well. In the
process of reaching out to pull back the curtain we may find the way
to save us from ourselves. By drawing the curtain back we give in to
our darker natures and risk bringing our own extinction unto
ourselves.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 01:59:27 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina" <
> one more grammatically incorrect, pseudo-sensitive, teary eyed
speech from
> George W. Bush, I think I'll puke

Personally I prefer a grammatically incorrect George W. Bush speech
compared to an over rehearsed Clintonian tell them what they want to
hear speech. He's not being pseudo-sensitive, he's teary-eyed
because he's a human being and is being called upon to be the bearer
of bad news in a time of tragedy as well as keep the flames of hope
for a better tommorow and the quest for knowledge alive. He's doing
far better than I, for I'd likely be a blubbering idiot on national
television having to make the speeches he is called upon to make.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Back again
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:33:40 -0300

Salvete omnes
I have just returned from my vacations. So I'm again on line
Valete bene

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:36:46 -0500

"Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence. Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off pretty lightly."

Well said

Tiberius

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

> the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and violence

Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence. Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off pretty lightly.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	"M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:41:26 +1100

This obsession that some New Romans have with turning the major forum into a
US-European slagging fest bores those of us in the other regions......

M. Flavius Aurelius
Australia

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To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

> "Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly."
>
> Well said
>
> Tiberius
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
> > the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and
violence
>
> Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus.
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] 2 poems, was A quest . for Venator
From:	"Marilde Goliardi Perdomo" <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 02:33:49 -0300

Salve Skald!

It is difficult for me to say how I thank you. Let me do it this way:

I thank the Gods and the Vaner and then I thank the wise Kvasir and his
death by the hands of the two Dwarfs, I thank the sweet sweet hydromel that
rested in their large caldron Odr�rir and in the tubs S�n and Bodn. I thank
the murdered Giants and Suttungr's wrath. I thank Odin, His sagacity and the
love He sowed in Gunnl�d. (His behaviour sounds familiar, is He Prometheus'
Brother?) I must thank again Suttung's wrath. And I thank you once more,
adventurous Odin.
Through many elevated names and lives all the paths lead to the Gods.
Thanks to Them and thank you, Venator, for being in Nova Roma.

P.S.: I hope the sacred names are correctly written!

Di te bene ament.
Valeria Constantina Iuliana

>From: Pipar - Steven <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Forum Nova Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] 2 poems, was A quest . for Venator
>Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:33:23 -0600
>
>Salve Valeria Constantina,
>
>I was greatly saddened to read your news of the trees being sacrificed to
>expand the airport.
>
>While not specifically about trees, this is a poem I wrote for a ritual
>Honoring Holy Mother Earth
>(Nerthus). The first stanza is repeated as the Chorus of the song.
>
>Green Folk Speak
>
>Mother Nerthus send us life;
>In growing things upon Midgard;
>Fruitful Bounty of Your Kindness;
>Which we must earn, though Gift of Work
>
>Listen closely and hear the sounds,
>Of root and branch, of stem and leaf,
>The small, still voice of all plant life,
>Surrounding us, bespeaking us
>- Chorus -
>
> >From earth and sun, from wind and rain,
>With helping hand and on their own
>Plants grow from seed, make wide world bloom,
>Produce their fruits, become our Weal
>- Burden -
>
>In kitchen plot, in vasty fields,
>We sow and reap, we till and wet,
>We scrape and scratch, we dig and hoe,
>Our labors hard, our rewards good
>- Chorus -
>
>In beauty's form, they please the eye,
>And odors sweet, do tickle nose,
>In blossoms bright, do honeybees,
>Find the stuff which, may become mead
>- Chorus -
>
>In plainer form, there is good use,
>Not only food, but healing, too,
>In fruit and nut, in pulp and seed,
>In stem and leaf, in rind and root
>- Chorus -
>
> >From stem and boll, we fibers gain,
>To spin out yarns for weaving cloth
>To form the threads which become rope,
>To cover us and bind things tight
>- Chorus -
>
>Without plant life, we would be not,
>They are the stuff, of all being,
>Sustaining us, sustaining world,
>So hear them well, give rightful thanks
>- Chorus -
>
>Listen closely and hear the sounds,
>Of root and branch, of stem and leaf,
>The small, still voice of all plant life,
>Surrounding us, bespeaking us
>- Chorus -
>- Chorus -
>
>This next poem I wrote about a day out in the woods last hunting season.
>
>A Morning's View - To The Honored Prey
>
>Acorns and Death, wait in the woods
>Amongst the trees, old dance goes on
>Hunter seeks prey, larder to fill
>Deer seeks only, fodder to chew
>
>Birds flutter past, singing their songs
>Chirping, calling, tumble through air
>Scratching the dirt, peck seeds and bugs
>Living their lives, hunter means naught
>
>Black water mere, ruffled by breeze
>Leaf and twig dance, tossing, turning
>Hunter's thoughts flow, hoping to see
>Branch antlered stag, death-thorn to cast
>
>Sunna shines bright, o'ertopping trees
>Swamp meadow grass, golden and tall
>Hiding the byre, of prey he seeks
>Luck of the Hunt, wily and Wyrd
>
>Small muddy brook, flows from the pond
>Seeking to join, swift creek close by
>Water birds bright, float on the top
>Chuckling, calling, Life of the Land
>
>Kestrel flies by, seeking its prey
>Field mouse or vole, hidden in weeds
>Lights on a branch, observes domain
>Swoops down right quick, strikes and makes kill
>
>Rustle of leaves, hunter peers round
>Glint of ivory, within the shade
>Crackling hoof steps, one, two, three, four
>Big buck ambles, without concern
>
>Deer treads slowly, straight at the man
>Brown eyes gleaming, nose in the wind
>But Luck is good, on hunter's side
>Death-fang is cast, pierces stag-heart
>
>Uller's Ur-beast, stumbles, then runs
>Out of the woods, onto crop-field
>Pauses to look, then slowly sinks
>Into the verge, his final bed
>
>Hunter watches, respectfully
>Waits a little, then slowly goes
>To the Buck's side, sees it is dead
>Pulls out a flask, pours mead in thanks
>
>Life comes from Life, Earth's eldest Law
>Whether by Tooth, Talon or Hand
>Always is Prey, and the Preyer
>Cycle of All, Within, Without
>
>Acorns and Death, wait in the woods
>Amongst the trees, old dance goes on
>Hunter seeks prey, larder to fill
>Deer seeks only, fodder to chew
>
>I am in process of writing a poem specifically about my feelings for the
>woodlands themselves, apart
>from hunting forays (which are of great sacredness to me).
>
>I hope my words bring you some comfort.
>
>In amicus sub fidelis - Venator
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:32:28 +0100

Ok, let�s talk about XXI century politics (Sad but true, Roman topics
seem to be really boring for some people to discuss recurrently about
them).
Do you really believe that G.W Bush�s tears were authentic? In this
case, I start to understand some misteries about people voting Bush!

antonius adrianus urcitanus

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De: "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Fecha: Jueves, Febrero 6, 2003 2:59 am
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Columbia- (offtopic)

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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia
> Aventina" <
>
> > one more grammatically incorrect, pseudo-sensitive, teary
> eyed
>
> speech from
>
> > George W. Bush, I think I'll puke
>
>
>
> Personally I prefer a grammatically incorrect George W. Bush
> speech
>
> compared to an over rehearsed Clintonian tell them what they want
> to
>
> hear speech. He's not being pseudo-sensitive, he's teary-eyed
>
> because he's a human being and is being called upon to be the
> bearer
>
> of bad news in a time of tragedy as well as keep the flames of
> hope
>
> for a better tommorow and the quest for knowledge alive. He's
> doing
>
> far better than I, for I'd likely be a blubbering idiot on
> national
>
> television having to make the speeches he is called upon to make.
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
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>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Don't overlook a vast international market of senior citizens lifelong learning
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 05:07:48 -0000

The vast, international market of senior citizens lifetime learning
programs from the Renaissance Society of classes in ancient
civilizations taught by volunteer senior to other seniors at CSUS,
for example, to elderhostel worldwide and nationally....The untapped
source of every senior citizen center that offers courses, is all
waiting eagerly to hear about Nova Roma.

If you all knew how many book clubs, classes in Roman and other
ancient civilization classes are taught in universities and
apartment complexes, in senior centers and community centers,
schools, and societies for lifelong learning, it's amazing.

One example. I pay $60 a year to belong to the Renaissance Society
at CSUS. We take free classes all year round on subjects like Roman
history, ancient civilizations, Asian civilizations, medieval
Europe, Ice Age art, oral history, drama, book reading clubs, and
more....We meet at the campus in classrooms on Fridays or in public
library conference rooms (rented free of charge), in people's homes
to view videos on ancient Rome (or Egypt or other civilizations),
and in many other places. We are a group of many people who are
retired or over age 60, active for learning, and very interested in
Roman history, literature, and the arts, language, faiths, sciences,
crafts, and cultures of ancient civilizations, including
archaeology. In San Diego we met at the Museum of Man, and here in
Sacramento, we meet at CSUS or off campus, or even in art museums.

So, if you need more citizens, tap into the retired folk interested
in learning about history. To contact the Renaissance Society, you
can email one of the teachers, or come to the first meeeting of the
Spring semester if in N. California and talk about Nova Roma with
the people there if you like: Or contact their Web site:
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/h/lenhom/proj1/ren1.html or email them
at:rensoc@csus.edu <rensoc@csus.edu>

Renaissance Society Rendezvous
Spring Semester
Friday, February 7, 2003
The Redwood Room
CSUS University Union
1:00 - 3:00 p.m.

Good luck. A large number of people who are retired and have time to
volunteer for Nova Roma are out there. I write serialized short
stories set in ancient Rome circa 184-148 BCE. The stories are
posted on my Web site as I write them. Anyone is free to reprint
them with my byline.

Octava Fabia Scriba
http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	Michael Loughlin <quintusmeridius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:16:21 -0800 (PST)

"This obsession that some New Romans have with turning the major forum into a US-European slagging fest bores those of us in the other regions......"

--My apologies to those whom I bored with the string which antagonized the "US-European slagging fest" that was not my intention by making those comments which I wrote nor boring you with the second longer statement which I wrote.

Quintus Meridius Brutus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Cornett=20Polanco?= <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:17:01 +0100 (CET)

Ave Aurelius!
I completely agree with you. Can we not all simply be Romans? I for one would prefer to immerse myself in Roman culture than argue about about inter-continental opinions! I thought we were one and the same?? I reside in America Austroccidentalis but am tired of the sensationalism of the media here. I wholeheartedly agree with Diana Moravia Aventina! I would like to meet other Romans who are interested in the promotion of the Latin language and Roman culture! Is that not why we are here?? My Materfamilias Iulia Vopisca whom I admire, is an active part of Roman religion! I know this is not everone's fort�, but it is another aspect of the richness of Roman culture! Why not spend time discussing all realms of Roman life? I realize we are part of a modern world and must accept and dictate our fate within it, but what about the essential values of being Roman? I want to learn as much as I can. All of you have something spectacular to contribute! Of this I am quite certain!
Pues, para todos que hablan castellano o catalan, os deseo buena suerte y espero leer alguna cosa de vosotros! QUE VIVA ROMA ETERNA!
Doncs, per a tots que parlen castell� o catal�, us desitjo bona sort i espero llegir alguna cosa de vosaltres! QUE VISCA ROMA ETERNA!
Sextus Iulius Serranus
"M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com> wrote:This obsession that some New Romans have with turning the major forum into a
US-European slagging fest bores those of us in the other regions......

M. Flavius Aurelius
Australia

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From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

> "Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly."
>
> Well said
>
> Tiberius
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
> > the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and
violence
>
> Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus.
>
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Subject:	FW: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma interaction and the Macro-world a modest proposal
From:	"Christine Schofield" <pompeii@tiscali.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:51:22 -0000

Salvete Romani

As a new citizen, I have been fascinated by the diversity and passion of
the exchanges in this group.

I particularly like the idea of donating books on Rome to local schools
or libraries. These days anything relating to the study of the Classics
is so often dismissed as being irrelevant, when in fact the very
opposite is true.

My own interest in Greece and Rome started when my father gave gave me a
copy of Kingsley's "Heroes" to read as a relatively young child. That
interest has stayed with me all my life. It is sad to think that many
youngsters today do not know of the book or its author.

I agree that a little research into what is acceptable to the libraries
will pay dividends. I have found that local librarians and teachers can
be most helpful and enthusiastic when asked for advice.

Vale

Gaia Flavia Aureliana
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From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@msn.com]
Sent: 05 February 2003 04:11
To: Nova-Roma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma interaction and the Macro-world a modest
proposal

Salve Romans

I would like to make a modest proposal to increase our public
interaction with the macro-world. As most, if not all of you are aware
Nova Roma now has it's own book club. Most Citizens have their favorite
books both fiction and no-fiction on Rome, so I propose that each of us
( if financially able) buy four of our favorite books on Rome, and
donate them to a local school , college or public library. We can fill
the NR treasury at the same time by buying them through Amazon .com on
the main NR web site. If a good size number of citizens lives near each
other this could add up to hundreds of books on Rome being placed in
local libraries. A special Nova Roma book plate could be printed and
place in each book prior to donation to the library. One person per
province could keep track of who was buying which books to keep the
duplication to a minimum. If only half the stated population bought
books that would be 3200 books, no small number. We might even be able
to expand this to include a " ;Roman night at the Library" book reading.
So what do you think?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Overlooked sourceRe: Nova Roma interaction and the Macro-world a modest proposal
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:02:36 -0000

I've donated many books on Rome to various senior citizens book
clubs. It's very important that you visit and speak to a variety of
senior citizens groups. We have the whole afternoon available on
most weekdays to sit in our book clubs at senior centers and in
classrooms for lifelong learning and read these books or discuss
them. Same for the public library groups that meet at noon on
weekdays or weekends. Please don't overlook the many senior citizen
centers, groups, library book clubs, and lifelong learning clubs at
universities.

We have the time and the wherewithall to read these books. Also, I
write detective novels set in ancient Rome and short stories as well
as radio plays. So don't forget the women's clubs. We're all
interested in studying and reading about ancient civilizations. We
do have the time now that we're retired to read this material. The
first place to start is with the public libraries, university
programs for the over 60 clubs, senior centers, adult education
centers, book clubs, and women's book clubs and even civic and
discussion group-related history book clubs.

I'm currently taking a course in ancient civilizations in the clubs
for life long learning, Renaissance Society. Also there's
elderhostel. I used to belong to Mensa, and we had a history book
discussion special interest group. So include us retirees also. My
retirement is being spent writing fiction set in ancient Rome and so
are many other authors. As a member of Mystery Writers of America
and other Author's groups, this too is a good source to tap, the
writer's associations.

Octavia
http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Archaeogenetics YahooGroup?
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:26:17 -0000

> Octavia Fabia Scriba--What is the name of this YahooGroup that you
> referred to? I would be interested in at least giving it a look.

My favorite is:
Previous Next | Close

>From :
GENEALOGY-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com

Reply-To :
GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com

To :
GENEALOGY-DNA-D@rootsweb.com

Ask them any DNA questions you have. The book Archaeogenetics has
studies of ancient Italian ancestry mtDNA and Y chromosome DNA
research. Good luck.

Octavia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?EDICTUM_PROPRAETORICIUM_XV_-_DESIGNATIO_SCRIBAE_PROPRAETORIS_CURATORIS_ARENAE?=
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franciscus_Apulus_Caesar?=" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:06:34 +0100

EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM XV
DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE PROPRAETORIS CURATORIS ARENAE
6th February 2003

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

The current Provincia Italia main site needs a renewal. Considering
the high number of contents, the treated subjects, the services offered,
the high number of citizens who daily contact our site
http://italia.novaroma.org, I've decided the creation of a new
informative main site about the Provincia Italia.
For this reason an italic citizen, being expert in development and
programming, has been chosen.

I. I hereby appoint Aelius Solaris Marullinus "Scriba Propraetoris Curator
Araneum".
His task will be the development and the management of the site
infrastructure (database). Also he will help me in the development and
maintenance of the Provincia Italia's new main site.

II. As Nova Roma Apparitor Aelius Solaris Marullinus, within ten days,
has to make the Apparitores public oath, as mentioned in the Edictum
Consulare de Iusiurando Apparitorum.

III. This edictum has immediate effect. Given on a.d. VIII Idus Februarias 2756 (6th February 2003), in the year of
Consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

IV. This Edictum has the approval of Curia Italica (28/01/2003,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r28012003.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

------- italian translation --------

EDICTUM PROPRAETORICUM XV
DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE PROPRAETORIS CURATORIS ARENAE
6 Febbraio 2002

Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae

L'attuale sito di presentazione della Provincia Italia necessita di un
rinnovo. Considerata la mole di contenuti, gli argomenti trattati, i
servizi
offerti e l'alto numero di cittadini e non che giornalmente visitano il
sito
http://italia.novaroma.org, ritengo necessario la creazione di un nuovo
portale informativo sulla Provincia Italia.
Per tale motivo viene individuato un cittadino italico, esperto in
sviluppo
e programmazione e di comprovata esperienza.

I. Nomino l'Illustre Aelius Solaris Marullinus "Scriba Propraetoris
Curator Araneum".
Egli si occuper� dello sviluppo e della gestione dell'infrastruttura del

sito (data base) e mi assister� nello sviluppo e nel mantenimento del
nuovo
portale della Provincia Italia.

II. Come Apparitor di Nova Roma Aelius Solaris Marullinus � tenuto,
entro dieci giorni dalla nomina, a sostenere il giuramento pubblico degli
Apparitores, come indicato dall'Edictum Consulare de Iusiurando
Apparitorum.

III. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato il a.d. VIII Idus Februarias 2756 (6 Febbraio 2003), nell'anno
del consolato di Caeso Fabius Quintilianus e Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

IV. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (28/01/2003,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r28012003.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?EDICTUM_PROPRAETORICIUM_XV_-_DESIGNATIO_SCRIBAE_PROPRAETORIS_CURATORIS_ARENAE?=
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franciscus_Apulus_Caesar?=" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:06:36 +0100


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?EDICTVM_PROPRAETORIVM_XVI_-_EMENDATIO_AEDICTI_PROPRAETORII_I_DE_REGULA_PROVINCIAE_ITALIAE?=
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franciscus_Apulus_Caesar?=" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:07:25 +0100

EDICTVM PROPRAETORIVM XVI
EMENDATIO AEDICTI PROPRAETORII I DE REGULA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
6th February 2003

I.The third article of the Edictum Propraetorium I de REGULA PROVINCIAE
ITALIAE is changed as follows:

<<The Curia Italica will be composed by:

1. the Proprateor Provinciae Italiae in office
2. the Consiliarii Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae, considered
Administri upon the hierarchy ruled by the Curia itself.
3. The citizens elected by the Curia by its own decision, considering
the skills, merits and favors which might be useful to Provincia Italia
and to the Res Publica Novae
Romae.>>

II. This edictum has immediate effect. Given on a.d. VIII Idus Februarias 2756 (6th February 2003), in the year of
Consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

III. This Edictum has the approval of Curia Italica (28/01/2003,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r28012003.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

-------- italian translation --------

EDICTVM PROPRAETORIVM XVI
EMENDATIO AEDICTI PROPRAETORII I DE REGULA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
6 Febbraio 2003

I. L'articolo III dell'Edictum Propraetorium I de REGULA PROVINCIAE
ITALIAE. � emendato per essere letto come segue:

<<III. La Curia Italica sar� composta da:

1. il Proprateor Provinciae Italiae in carica
2. i Consiliarii Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae, considerati
Administri secondo la gerarchia regolamentata dalla Curia stessa.
3. i cittadini nominati dalla Curia attraverso i meccanismi che la
stessa Curia decider�, in base a competenze, vantaggi e meriti che
possono apportare alla Provincia Italia e alla Res Publica Novae
Romae.>>

II. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato il a.d. VIII Idus Februarias 2756 (6 Febbraio 2003), nell'anno
del consolato di Caeso Fabius Quintilianus e Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

III. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (28/01/2003,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r28012003.txt)

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Spanish list
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:46:47 +0100

Dear Sextus Iulius Serranus,
If you want to argue in Spanish, you can enter NRHispania list. Althogh
we do not speak Castillian anymore, but Spanish, I am pretty sure you
will be able to make yoursealf clear. (Besides, there will probably be
some Catalonian speaking citizen there)

antonius adrianus urcitanus

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: William Cornett Polanco <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es>
Fecha: Jueves, Febrero 6, 2003 6:17 am
Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

> <html><body>
>
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> <tt>
>
>
> Ave Aurelius!
>
> I completely agree with you. Can we not all simply be Romans? I
> for one would prefer to immerse myself in Roman culture than argue
> about about inter-continental opinions! I thought we were one and
> the same?? I reside in America Austroccidentalis but am tired of
> the sensationalism of the media here. I wholeheartedly agree with
> Diana Moravia Aventina! I would like to meet other Romans who are
> interested in the promotion of the Latin language and Roman
> culture! Is that not why we are here?? My Materfamilias Iulia
> Vopisca whom I admire, is an active part of Roman religion! I know
> this is not everone's fort�, but it is another aspect of the
> richness of Roman culture! Why not spend time discussing all
> realms of Roman life? I realize we are part of a modern world and
> must accept and dictate our fate within it, but what about the
> essential values of being Roman? I want to learn as much as I can.
> All of you have something spectacular to contribute! Of this I am
> quite certain!
>
> Pues, para todos que hablan castellano o catalan, os deseo buena
> suerte y espero leer alguna cosa de vosotros! QUE VIVA ROMA ETERNA!
>
> Doncs, per a tots que parlen castell� o catal�, us desitjo bona
> sort i espero llegir alguna cosa de vosaltres! QUE VISCA ROMA ETERNA!
>
> Sextus Iulius Serranus
>
> "M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com>
> wrote:This obsession that some New Romans have with turning the
> major forum into a
>
> US-European slagging fest bores those of us in the other regions......
>
>
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> M. Flavius Aurelius
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> Australia
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
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> > "Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death
> and violence.
>
> Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US
> gets off
>
> pretty lightly."
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> > Well said
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> > Tiberius
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> > > the United States is a nation whose history is filled
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> > Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and
> violence.
> Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 12:59:28 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, URCITANUS <urcitanus@t...> wrote:
> Do you really believe that G.W Bush�s tears were authentic? In this
> case, I start to understand some misteries about people voting Bush!
>
> antonius adrianus urcitanus

He's not that good of an actor.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Media sensationalism
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:07:05 -0800 (PST)

Quintus Meridius--

In answer to your question:

"...What is the absolute need to priortize death and
violence in the news over issues such as civil rights,

civil liberties, Supreme Court decisions or current
affairs that don't involve death and violence?"

I respond:

Very simple--Ratings. On LiveJournal just this week,
I had a conversation with someone who is a news media
technician who was working on the Laci Peterson
coverage in Modesto, California. For those of you
unfamiliar with this story, it is a case of a missing
pregnant woman who disappeared on Christmas Eve.

The news tech told me that, when stories such as the
Chandra Levy case or instances of missing children,
etc. go on the air, ratings _skyrocket._ This is why
we (and the poor news anchors) had to sit through
wall-to-wall coverage of Chandra Levy's disappearance
from May 1 to Sept. 11, in 2001.

I agree, I would rather see more intelligent
discussion of important issues of the day in the news
media. But they don't generate much interest in the
vast majority of television news viewers--and I
suspect the same is true for any country, not just the
US. Most viewers would rather watch Geraldo than
George Will.

I think that's a crying shame, but there it is.

As for why there is so much coverage of Columbia--I
think we are talking about it so much, not simply
because it's a tragedy, but also because it's a
mystery. Most of us were not acquainted with those
astronauts, and grief is not what's holding our
interest. We don't know what really happened. Rumors
abound, but no one has a definitive answer yet. And
so, because there is interest, and because the 24-hour
news stations have air time that they must fill, That
is what they talk about.

If you ask me, the invention of the 24-hour news
channel has been the worst thing ever to befall the
quality of American news coverage. Now, when people
have no more genuine news to report, they don't simply
stop speaking. They keep on saying inane things and
making inane speculations, because they MUST fill that
air time, even if all they have to fill it with is
nonsense.

---
Renata Corva

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Today, it is not working.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Topics
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:24:52 -0500 (EST)

Master M. Flavius Aurelius;

I suspect that one of the reasons that there is so much discussion
regarding unrelated Macroworld topics is the simple fact that regardless
of what we say about our Roman interests, our real world opinions are so
valuable to ourslves that we must share them with others, regardless of
the fact that such a sharing may well be undesirable to some other
segment of the population to which we communicate.

I have on several occasions seen others (and have done so myself) who
have contributed carefully researched and developed treatises or stories
about some aspect of ancient Rome, shared them with the Main List, or
other Nova Roman Lists, only to have them ignored by all.

However, let someone make a highly individualized comment about some
national leader in our macroworld, and the Main List is filled with
opinions, comments, and the back and forth that you comment upon,
sometimes lasting for days.

My personal feelings are that perhaps we as a group are not quite as
dedicated to the history of the ancient Roman Culture as we would have
others believe, and the combination of the "delight" seen by ourselves
in our own opinions, and comments in the modern world, far outwieghs the
interest that we have in directing our opinions, and efforts (which to
be worth very much has to be backed with significant research) toward
the historical era of ancent Rome.

Perhaps I am being too harsh a judge in this matter, but when I see the
talent of a poet, or story teller lie before the Main List unremarlable
in it's ability to generate comment or argument, but see a blizzard of
modern macroword comment, argument, and debate regarding something as
mundane as the presentation attributes of a world leader, or the
oft-repeated opinions and comments of those relating thier ideas
regarding modern-day off-topic subjects, I am supported in my own
conclusions, as radical as they may seem.

In that, I am just as bad as the rest of those who exercise thier right
to comment on this list, and share thier opinions with others who
niether agree nor particularly value the comments laid before the Main
List in such a venue.

It is for this and related reasons that many have drifted away from Nova
Roma, having expected "someone else" to provide the material that they
were searching for, never realizing that it was and is, the individual
input of each of our citizens, in the individual interest areas of that
single Citizen, that must raise this Main List to the expectations of
those who come to Nova Roma to "listen" and to possibly learn. Many who
do so, also find that the utterances of an orator dead 2000+ years, the
technical advance of the arch in architectural construction, or the
miracle of a successful political republic, in a world of Monararcial
determination, perhaps does not hold the personal interest, nearly so
well as a Columbia disaster, or a U.S. vs, Europe argument / debate.

It is difficult to place oneself in the distant past, to feel and to
"live" the life of those of another time, other pressures, and other
values, and then having done so, investigate the interests of that
ancient world, in military, art, politics, medical, agriculture,
industry, etc. and maintain oneself in that "world" for a significant
period necessary to determine the information needed to bring new data
to the attention of this micronation.

I have been a historical reenactor for over twenty years, and these
efforts are routnely undertaken each and every time I attend an event.
It is difficult to do, and the real rewards are few and far between.
However, we here in Nova Roma are not reenactors but rather Citizens of
a micronation, dedicated to bringing the best of ancient Roman Culture
into the modern day. This effort with some 1600+ differing opinions on
how, what, where, why and when that is to be done, and what aspects are
important and which are best left behind. Add to all that a developing
difference of opinion and dissention in the political views of those who
are now, and have been charged with the direction of this "ship of
state" and you have a rather involved situation, one which can be
alarming when the size of the concerns and virtual efforts are
considered. This is another reason to tend toward an exchange of modern
ideas, and opinons, in an attempt to communicate intelligently on a
given topic, without the need for a deal of research, against the
consideration of an alien background and society.

I am sympathetic sir, to your views, and to your comments on this topic.
However, I am afraid that until each Citizen both new and old is able to
maintain themselves in the historical interests of our stated
microworld, and until the realization is reached that all must
contribute to this stated design, and effort, the macronational
concerns, views, and opinions will be with us, for not only are we
Citizens of Nova Roma, but we are also citizens of a moderen world in
which we must every day, meet the needs of our individual selves in our
vocations, family, friends, and avocations as reflected in the needs and
occurances of the modern society in which we find ourselves.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] donating books in the name of NR
From:	Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:03:46 -0800 (PST)

For those of you who like the idea of donating books
to promote Nova Roma, I have another idea for you.
Check out the website www.bookcrossing.com. The goal
of this site is to turn the entire world into a free
library, by "releasing" books. You can do this with
books off your own bookshelf that you would like to
donate.

I have done this many times. All it requires is that
you register the book at the site, and then put the ID
number it generates for you somewhere on the book. I
usually put the ID number and the URL, and a note that
says "Free Book - Please Read Me!" I also put a note
on the inside, and if it is a book about Rome, this is
where you can add information about Nova Roma like the
website address, etc.

Then just leave the book somewhere. Someone will find
it, and hopefully make comments on the site about how
they liked it. I've only had two books discovered and
commented upon, but it's loads of fun for me all the
same.

Arnamentia

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Accensa Ordinaria Cohors Consulis CFQ
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Spanish list
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Cornett=20Polanco?= <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:34:26 +0100 (CET)

Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus,

Thank you so much for giving me the NRHispania list. I appreciate it very much. I wouldn't like to limit myself to just English here considering this is a forum open to all of us. Si vosotros no hablais castellano, pues que hablais???? Me parece un poco raro lo que has dicho. Bueno ya ves! Para mi es igual el Espa�ol o el Castellano. Suelo usar la palabra Castellano cuando refiero a este idioma. Well, look forward to speaking to you soon.
Sextus Iulius Serranus
URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es> wrote:
Dear Sextus Iulius Serranus,
If you want to argue in Spanish, you can enter NRHispania list. Althogh
we do not speak Castillian anymore, but Spanish, I am pretty sure you
will be able to make yoursealf clear. (Besides, there will probably be
some Catalonian speaking citizen there)

antonius adrianus urcitanus

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De: William Cornett Polanco <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es>
Fecha: Jueves, Febrero 6, 2003 6:17 am
Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

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> Ave Aurelius!
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> I completely agree with you. Can we not all simply be Romans? I
> for one would prefer to immerse myself in Roman culture than argue
> about about inter-continental opinions! I thought we were one and
> the same?? I reside in America Austroccidentalis but am tired of
> the sensationalism of the media here. I wholeheartedly agree with
> Diana Moravia Aventina! I would like to meet other Romans who are
> interested in the promotion of the Latin language and Roman
> culture! Is that not why we are here?? My Materfamilias Iulia
> Vopisca whom I admire, is an active part of Roman religion! I know
> this is not everone's fort�, but it is another aspect of the
> richness of Roman culture! Why not spend time discussing all
> realms of Roman life? I realize we are part of a modern world and
> must accept and dictate our fate within it, but what about the
> essential values of being Roman? I want to learn as much as I can.
> All of you have something spectacular to contribute! Of this I am
> quite certain!
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> Pues, para todos que hablan castellano o catalan, os deseo buena
> suerte y espero leer alguna cosa de vosotros! QUE VIVA ROMA ETERNA!
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> Doncs, per a tots que parlen castell� o catal�, us desitjo bona
> sort i espero llegir alguna cosa de vosaltres! QUE VISCA ROMA ETERNA!
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> "M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com>
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> M. Flavius Aurelius
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Topics
From:	Michael Loughlin <quintusmeridius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:42:25 -0800 (PST)

You have those who do not wish topics outside the macro-world to be discussed here yet it is those topics or issues as I'd rather refer to them that directly affect us most. The decision of the United States to possibly go to war with Iraq affects citizens more directly than decisions involving Nova Roma. That is not to say any one decision is any lesser than another. However, all citizens are impacted by the decisions made by the political leaders of the regions in which we reside. As the United States will no doubtedly seek allies to combat Iraq dragging other regions into the conflict. Then you will have those who will oppose military action and either refuse aid to the United States resulting in possible political, not military, retaliation or something that will down the road hurt that nation. Then you have those who just may our right take a military stance against United States aggression. All these possibilities impact us more directly than Nova Roma decisions. Whether these possibilities would ever happen and to what extent is another debate.

If a non-macro world issue is discussed on the main list it doesn't necessarily mean citizens have no interest, lost interest, or aren't as interested as thought in Nova Roma. That is part of a community. Another part of a community is to be accepting of others, their views/opinions, and who they are, no matter how different they maybe. I certainly don't wake up everyday and live and breathe for the United States and will not do so for Nova Roma. I am an American and proud to be. That doesn't mean I don't love my country for good and bad. The same applies for Nova Roma. But aren't there also different lists from the main list that are more concentrated on what they are about. This is the Main List and being the Main List is subject to a broader array of topics/issues to be discussed. This also includes non-macro world topics. Looked at all the various groups on Yahoo available to Nova Roma citizens to discuss more concentrated Roman issues. You have Religio Romana for religion, Sodalitas Militarium for military issues, Laws to discuss Nova Roma laws and even ancient laws that existed in Rome. All these issues don't necessarily have to be for the Main List. I highly doubt Romans from thousands of years ago were discussing solely issues of their Republic and later on their Empire. So it is not worth heckling those for engaging in issues that may not necessarily apply to Nova Roma directly.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Roman Forum then and now
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:29:37 -0000

Salve,

Having read some not totally unjustified comments about macro-world
issues being discussed within the main Nova Roma forum, I wondered to
myself what did the ancients talk about when they met in the public
forum? I suspect that their conversations centered around the issues
that effected their lives and interests. In my moment of fanciful
imagination I pictured people discussing whether the price of grain
was going to rise, the rhetorical ability (or lack there of) of
various political figures, taxes, various military threats be they
Carthage, the dreaded Germans, the loyalty or suspected disloyalties
of those that were deemed Friend and Ally, a snatch or two from some
discussing the celebrities of their day (aka gladiators).

Is our Nova Roman forum so really different than theirs?

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Topics
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:36:49 -0500

On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:24:52PM -0500, Marcus Minucus Audens/Jim Mathews wrote:

Ave, Marcus Minucus Audens -

> Perhaps I am being too harsh a judge in this matter, but when I see the
> talent of a poet, or story teller lie before the Main List unremarlable
> in it's ability to generate comment or argument, but see a blizzard of
> modern macroword comment, argument, and debate regarding something as
> mundane as the presentation attributes of a world leader, or the
> oft-repeated opinions and comments of those relating thier ideas
> regarding modern-day off-topic subjects, I am supported in my own
> conclusions, as radical as they may seem.

There are also a few other factors involved, ones that perhaps some
people fail to consider or don't care to acknowledge. For one thing,
it's simply not possible to be as involved in ancient history as in a
hammer that's been dropped on your foot. Incidentally, I find the
attitude of "it's not my foot, what's the big deal?" crass, swinish, and
insensitive; were, say, the Louvre or the /Museo del Prado/ to be
destroyed by an explosion, I imagine that many of the citizens of
NovaRoma would be stricken with shock and grief - as I would be. Those
things take time to pass; quietly accepting the expressions of this by
the people closest to the disaster is usually considered a basic
courtesy, an act of a decent person.

For another thing, American-baiting seems to be a regular practice on
this list. I would suggest that the people concerned with the topic of
what drives away possible new citizens consider this point carefully;
few people enjoy an environment where they are a target by default.

The last point - actually, the reason I responded to this post - is in
regard to the appreciation of a poet or a story teller. I agree with
this, strongly... but here's a point to consider: most people don't know
how to respond to powerful art, or beauty that evokes strong reactions.
A poem I saw just recently says it well:

'Music'

My friend went to the piano; spun the stool
A little higher; left his pipe to cool;
Picked up a fat green volume from the chest;
And propped it open.
Whitely without rest,
His fingers swept the keys that flashed like swords,
...And to the brute drums of barbarian hordes,
Roaring and thunderous and weapon-bare,
An army stormed the bastions of the air!
Dreadful with banners, fire to slay and parch,
Marching together as the lightnings march,
And swift as storm-clouds. Brazen helms and cars
Clanged to a fierce resurgence of old wars
Above the screaming horns. In state they passed,
Trampling and splendid on and sought the vast
Rending the darkness like a leaping knife,
The flame, the noble pageant of our life!
The burning seal that stamps man's high indenture
To vain attempt and most forlorn adventure;
Romance, and purple seas, and toppling towns,
And the wind's valiance crying o'er the downs;
That nerves the silly hand, the feeble brain,
From the loose net of words to deeds again
And to all courage! Perilous and sharp
The last chord shook me as wind shakes a harp!
...And my friend swung round on his stool, and from gods we were men,
"How pretty!" we said; and went on with our talk again.

-- Stephen Vincent Benet

"How pretty", indeed. It may be that you need to be a poet, or a
storyteller, or a brilliant musician to properly acknowledge that sort
of talent. Given all those times when I have found myself too stunned,
too affected by beautiful art to acknowledge the painter, the poet, the
storyteller, I admit to being guilty of the above, in deed if most
certainly not in desire.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The Roman Forum then and now
From:	"M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com>
Date:	Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:00:18 +1100

And funnily enough, what the ancients discussed was Roman, not American.
Because they knew where they lived.

I don't object to people in this list discussing what interests them. I just
get sick of seeing people express their prejudices on issues that are
totally irrelevant to the purpose of the list - the promotion of New Rome.

While I do not hold with a lot of what the SCA do, I do know that one of the
most lethal insults one can receive in a SCA context is to call someone's
attitudes or actions "mundane" (meaning out of the medieval context, and
stuck in the 21st century).
If you wish to discuss macronational politics, I believe you should be able
to. But do so in a forum for macronational politics. I don't bring my non-NR
topics here. Or perhaps you would like me to start discussing my day to day
job in this forum. I don't do that because I respect this list and its
purpose.

MFA

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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:29 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Roman Forum then and now

> Salve,
>
> Having read some not totally unjustified comments about macro-world
> issues being discussed within the main Nova Roma forum, I wondered to
> myself what did the ancients talk about when they met in the public
> forum? I suspect that their conversations centered around the issues
> that effected their lives and interests. In my moment of fanciful
> imagination I pictured people discussing whether the price of grain
> was going to rise, the rhetorical ability (or lack there of) of
> various political figures, taxes, various military threats be they
> Carthage, the dreaded Germans, the loyalty or suspected disloyalties
> of those that were deemed Friend and Ally, a snatch or two from some
> discussing the celebrities of their day (aka gladiators).
>
> Is our Nova Roman forum so really different than theirs?
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Roman Forum then and now
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 06 Feb 2003 23:41:00 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Flavius Aurelius"
<marcus.flavius@b...> wrote:
> And funnily enough, what the ancients discussed was Roman, not
American.
> Because they knew where they lived.

Indeed they discussed what effected their lives in the there and then
in which they lived. I do not live in Rome circa 450 BCE, I live in
what is the Province of Nova Brittania in what we call 2003 CE. I
suspect that others in our global community do not live in Rome circa
450 BCE either.

If I may be permitted to quote the EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM DE
MODERATIONE:

"XI. Topics of Discussion

The main focus of this list is Nova Roma and Roma Antiqua. However,
as members of a diverse international community we all have lives and
interests outside of Nova Roma. It is perfectly acceptable to discuss
non-Roman topics here, though keep in mind that not everyone may
share your interest in these topics."

Part of being in a community is learning from and about one another.
I'm afraid that if we did not go off on our various tangents on non-
Roman subjects we'd never develop the glue for strong relationships
that are needed in the long haul.

>
> I don't object to people in this list discussing what interests
them. I just
> get sick of seeing people express their prejudices on issues that
are
> totally irrelevant to the purpose of the list - the promotion of
New Rome.

On that point we both agree. It does not one ounce of good to spew
anti-(whatever country that's done something to irk you today) venom.

> While I do not hold with a lot of what the SCA do, I do know that
one of the
> most lethal insults one can receive in a SCA context is to call
someone's
> attitudes or actions "mundane" (meaning out of the medieval
context, and
> stuck in the 21st century).

I wouldn't be all that insulted. I tend to live in the here and now
not the then and the dead. Part of the study of history is not just
the knowledge of what happened back then, but as a guide to where we
are going.

>I don't bring my non-NR
> topics here. Or perhaps you would like me to start discussing my
day to day
> job in this forum. I don't do that because I respect this list and
its
> purpose.

I see part of the purpose of the list as to build a community. If we
never discuss the "mundane" of our lives, we will have a community of
complete strangers.

Vale,

Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM SECVNDVM DE SCRIBAE DESIGNATIONE
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:56:13 +0100 (CET)

Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

Ex officio praetoris

EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM SECVNDVM DE SCRIBAE DESIGNATIONE

In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Salix
Astur, praetor, appoint the citizen Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia as
Scriba with the duty to aid the praetores in the moderation of the
main list of Nova Roma.

Datum a.d. VIII Idus Februarii anno MMDCCLVI a.U.C.

Cn. Salix Astur, praetor.

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