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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Mediatlantica Call
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 00:16:01 -0000

To all Nova Roman citizens living in New York, New Jersey, Delaware,
Maryland, Pennsylvania, or Virginia -- that being the Province of
American Mediatlantica -- greetings!

If you are not already a member of the mediatlanticaprovincia
mailing list, please join it. You can join by sending an e-mail
to mediatlanticaprovincia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or by going
to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mediatlanticaprovincia and pushing
the "join this group" button.

My citizenship rolls indicate 191 citizens within the province, and
I have 17 people in the mailing list. Let's bring that number up.

--
ex officio
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Provincial Praetor, America Mediatlantica Provincia

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] viruses
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:18:44 +0000 (GMT)

A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

C. Minucius Scaevola wrote:

> Note: most of the modern viruses cannot be tracked
> this way; they grab
> two random addresses from an addressbook, and send
> the mail to one while
> using the other for the "From" line.

Perhaps that explains the intriguing message I
received today from the Nova-Roma yahoogroups address!
It must be a malfunction of some kind, because
presumably a yahoogroups list can't send messages of
its own accord.

Then again, perhaps it's not the same virus - the
message I received contained no text at all, no
reference to the 'funny game'. Oh well, it was an
interesting experience.

Cordus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Governors' List?
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 8 Feb 2003 19:19:13 EST

In a message dated 2/8/03 2:42:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
equitius_marinus@yahoo.com writes:

> How many provincial governors would be interested in having a
> separate list where we can discuss the business of provincial
> government? Share the wealth of our collective experience?
> Warn one another about potential pitfalls?
>
>

Actually we have one. However I have not seen any thing posted there since
Vedius and Cassius' Consulship.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] viruses
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 8 Feb 2003 16:57:53 -0800 (PST)

Unless the virus can forge headers in addition to
forging to and from data the latest one I got
originated from a RoadRunner Cable customer in
Cincinnatti Ohio. If your Internet service is from
AroundCinci you may have the infected computer that is
sending out the Viruses.

--- "A. Apollonius Cordus" <cordus@strategikon.org>
wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> C. Minucius Scaevola wrote:
>
> > Note: most of the modern viruses cannot be tracked
> > this way; they grab
> > two random addresses from an addressbook, and send
> > the mail to one while
> > using the other for the "From" line.
>
> Perhaps that explains the intriguing message I
> received today from the Nova-Roma yahoogroups
> address!
> It must be a malfunction of some kind, because
> presumably a yahoogroups list can't send messages of
> its own accord.
>
> Then again, perhaps it's not the same virus - the
> message I received contained no text at all, no
> reference to the 'funny game'. Oh well, it was an
> interesting experience.
>
> Cordus
>
> =====
>
>
> www.strategikon.org
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] George Washington was a fan of Ancient Roman Drama
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 01:18:25 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

Anyone have the name of a book in English on the Third Punic War? Or
the life of Cato the Edler? I'm writing a scene set in Numidia
between Cato the Elder and Scipio Africanus with the King of
Numidia, Masinissa, in the scene for the serialized novel that will
be appearing monthly in Nova Roman Times magazine. I wanted to put
in some accurate military terms of what it was like for Romans
battling in Numidia/Carthage just before 150 BCE during the 3rd
Punic War. Also at the same time I believe a slave uprising took
place in Setia, near Rome, involving Carthaginian POWs and their own
slaves who banded together and wreaked havoc on the countryside
between Setia and Rome. Anyone who's a historian know of anything in
English I can read to check the facts as far as accurate history?
Thanks.

Also:

Here's a great Roman play for anyone to perform for Internet
broadcast audio theatre at:
http://www.geocities.com/stoicvoice/journal/0101/ja0101d0.htm

According to the Web site:
"George Washington was so taken with the character of Cato the
younger in Joseph Addison's 1713 play Cato that he made the Roman
republican his role model. He went to see Cato numerous times from
early manhood into maturity and even had it performed for his troops
at Valley Forge despite a congressional resolution that plays were
inimical to republican virtue. Washington included lines from the
play in his private correspondence and even in his farewell
address." (Thoughts of a Philosophical Fighter Pilot, Hoover Press,
1995, p.75.)

Now, it the series of short stories I'm writing for Nova Roma Times
and also which will be a novel, I don't focus on the younger Cato as
in the play. My emphasis is on Cato, the Elder. This character had
an attitude from pinching sesterces to expelling senators for
holding their wife's hand in public and so on. But if anyone is
interested in teaching how George Washington was a great fan of
ancient Roman drama, here's one key....George Washington made the
Roman Republic is role model. A writer of his times, Joseph Addison,
wrote a play in 1713 that Washington liked so much, he put lines
from the play about Cato's life into his farewell address.

Suddenly, I realized when I was writing this new novel based on the
older Cato, that most US and European college campuses are laid out
according to the directions on how to plan a Roman military
campsite, all square angles and vertical lines, no curves or mazes.
Take a look around your local railroad stations. They are designed,
particularly the defunct Pennsylvania railroad station in NY, like
the Baths of Caracalla in Rome....And university campuses are laid
out like a Roman military camp. Fascinating.

Vale,
Octavia Fabia Scriba

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Does anyone know whether the area today of Moldova was under ancient Roman Rule?
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 01:31:02 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I'm wondering whether the town of Bessarabia in Moldova was ever
under Rome in ancient times, and if so, what was it called? I'm
researching this area for my novel that takes place in ancient Rome.
Thanks.

Octavia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Sources? De Officiis
From:	"Sp. Postumius Tubertus <postumius@gmx.net>" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 01:39:49 -0000

Sp. Postumius Tubertus Sapientibus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete,

In an effort to both add to the repository of knowledge of the
Ancient World and to further prominate Nova Roma as an organization,
I've decided to write a researched essay about the various political
offices of the Roman Republic (I'll get to the religious ones later).
To do this, I'm obviously going to need a lot of sources (both for
research and to give credit to the work, as my lack of a degree in
anything at this point would severely discredit my work). Does anyone
have any thoughts on which primary and/or secondary resources would
be good for this?

Thank you very much, Amici, for your assistance, in advance.

Valete Optime in Sapientia,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Classics majors are back in fashion
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 02:19:58 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

Do you need a list of films or videos as a teaching tool on ancient
Rome or Greece? Many of these films or videos may be rented or
loaned in inter-library loans. Ask at your nearest university
library or public library.

The study of Classics of Rome and Greece is growing and is back in
fashion again at some colleges and universities. This is due in part
to new technology in archaeology such as archaeogenetics and other
archeology and classics interdisciplinary studies. Various
interdisciplinary programs such as art history, archaeology,
classics, and comparative literature are combining interest and
specialties to bring back the study of classics--the literature,
art, and culture of ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt, Celtic Rome, and
related areas.

These films are at the office of media and technology at
The University of Charleston at:
http://www.cofc.edu/languages/lang.html

Roman Literature: Drama
� A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. 1966 (100
min.). Zero Mostel, Phil Silvers, Jack Gilford, Buster Keaton. Score
by Ken Thorne. #2694.
� Aristophanes. Women in Power. Plautus. The Braggart Warrior.
c. 1988 (58 min.) #2445.
� Roman Civilization and History
� I, Claudius. c. 1991. Parts 1-13 (60 min. ea.). #2612.
� The Roman Arena. c. 1993 (50 min.) #2318.
� The Western Tradition. Tapes 5-7 (= Parts 9-14). (30 min.
ea.) #1728.
The Rise of Rome, The Roman Empire, Early Christianity, The Rise of
the Church, The Decline of Rome, The Fall of Rome
� Art of the Western World Series. Tape 1, Part 2. c. 1989 (30
min. ea.) #1707.
The Classical Ideal: Rome.
� The Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition
Series. Part 1, Lessons 10-11. Part 2, Lesson 1. #2034.
Paul and the New Testament, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations,
Augustine's City of God.
� Trajan's Column. c. 1989 (50 min.) #1756.

Roman Civilization and History: Cinema
� Ben-Hur. A Tale of the Christ. 1926 (148 min., silent).
Ramon Navarro. #2690.
� Ben-Hur. 1959 (212 min.). Charlton Heston, Hugh Griffith,
Dir. William Wyler. #2689.
� Caesar and Cleopatra. c. 1946 (129 min.). Based on the play
by George Bernard Shaw. #2791.
� Cleopatra. 1963 (246 min.). Elizabeth Taylor, Rex Harrison,
Richard Burton, Roddy McDowall, Martin Landau, Corroll O'Connor.
Dir. Joseph L. Mankiewicz. #2697.
� The Life of Brian. 1979 (94 min.). Monty Python. #2028.

Roman Civilization and History: Shakespeare
� Antony and Cleopatra. c. 1972 (160 min.). Charlton Heston,
Hildegard Neil. #1799.
� Julius Caesar. c. 1970 (116 min.). John Gielgud, Charlton
Heston, Jason Robards. #1291.
� Titus Andronicus. c. 1984 (120 min.). Eileen Atkins, Tervor
Peacock. BBC Production. #2089.
� Coriolanus. (145 min.). #2328.

Ancient Manuscripts
� Scribes, Scholars, and Saints. Pt. 1-3. 1993 (26 min. each).
#2509.
Pt. 1. The Art of Celtic Manuscripts.
Pt. 2. The Art of Celtic Manuscripts. The Book of Durrow.
Pt. 3. The Art of Celtic Manuscripts. The Book of Kells.
� The Lindisfarne Gospels. A Masterpiece of Anglo-Saxon Book
Painting. 1995 (35 min.) #2569.
Ancient Greek Literature: Epic
� Akropolis. 1988 (60 min.). Synthesis of Homer and the Bible
in a contemporary setting. #2844. (originally in Polish)
� Homer. The Iliad (Classics on cassette). Narr. Derek Jacobi,
Maria Tucci. Tr. R. Fagels. #914. (Some tapes missing/damaged as of
6/97.)

Ancient Greek Literature: Drama
� Sophocles. Oedipus the King. c. 1975 (45 min., in an ancient
theatre, with masks). #1023.
� Sophocles. Oedipus Rex (= Edipo Re). c. 1990 (110 min., in
Italian, with English subtitles) Dir. Pasolini. #2651.
� Sophocles. Antigone. c. 1988. (88 min., in Greek, with
English subtitles). #2476.
� Sophocles. Antigone. Rights of Passion. 1990 (85 min.).
#2833.
� Sophocles. Electra. c. 1987 (101 min.). #1752.
� Euripides. Medea. (100 min., in ancient Greek with English
subtitles). #1326.
� Euripides. Iphigenia. c. 1977 (127 min.). Dir. M.
Cacoyannis. #1299.
� Greek Fire Series. Part 5. Tragedy. (26 min.) #2165.
� Aristophanes. Women in Power. Plautus. The Braggart Warrior.
c. 1988 (58 min.) #2445.

Ancient Greek Myth and Religion
� Greek Fire Series. Part 2. Myth. (26 min.) #2165.
� Mythos: The Shaping of Our Western Tradition. Psyche and
Symbol. 1996 (55 min.) #0000 (we have only Part I, of five parts).
� Also see Greek Literature: Epic, Drama
� Also see Greek Culture and History (e.g. The Greek Temple)

Ancient Greek Myth: Modern Adaptations
� Black Orpheus. c. 1959 (103 min., in Portuguese, with
English subtitles) #1627.
� Desire under the Elms. c. 1958 (114 min.) #1433.
� Jean Cocteau's Orpheus. c. 1949 (86 min., French with
English subtitles). Jean Marais, dir. Jean Cocteau.
� Phedre. c. 1985 (90 min., in French, with English
subtitles.) #1635. (recording of very poor quality)

Ancient Greek Culture and History: Cinema
� The Name of the Rose. c. 1986 (128 min.) #1454.

Ancient Greek Culture and History
� Minoan Civilization. c. 1993 (60 min.) #2624.
� Crete and Mycenae. c. 1986 (54 min.) #1240.
� The Greek Temple. c. 1982 (54 min.) #1239.
� The Ancient Olympics: Athletes, Games, & Heroes. c. 1996 (55
min.) #2880.
� Greek Fire Series. 10 Parts (26 min. each) #2165.
Source, Myth, Politics, Sex, Tragedy, Architecture, Science, Art,
Ideas, War.
� The Trial of Socrates. Man adn the State. c. 1982 (29 min.)
#2741. (we have only part VI)
� The Western Tradition. Tapes 3-4 and 8 (=Parts 5-8 and 15-
16). #1728.
The Rise of Greek Civilization, Greek Thought, Alexander the Great,
The Hellenistic Age, The Byzantine Empire, The Fall of Byzantium.
� Art of the Western World Series. Tape 1, Part 1. c. 1989 (30
min.) #1707.
The Classical Ideal: Greece.
� The Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition
Series. Part 1, Lessons 1-7, 10-11. Part 2, Lesson 1. #2034.
Introduction to Philosophy, Presocratics, Plato's Republic, Plato's
Symposium, Aristotle's Metaphysics, Aristotle's Politics, Paul and
the New Testament, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, Augustine's City of
God.
� The Day the Universe Changed. Part 1. It Started with the
Greeks. c. 1986 (26 min.) #2623.

Octavia Fabia Scriba
http://reminisicencemedia.tripod.com
or
http://dnanovels.tripod.com/novels.html/

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Market Day is ON!
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:29:42 -0500

Nova Britannia's own Roman event has been confirmed for this year! The
dates are Sept. 13 and 14, and we have a much larger space, more
vendors, and maybe even a chariot! I'll update the
www.romanmarketday.com Web site with the new information within the
next few days, but I wanted to make sure the word got out so everyone
could save the dates. We'll still be in southern Maine, about 40
minutes from the New Hampshire border.

If you'd like to vend at the event, get in touch with Laurentius
Cassius and Varia Cassia (Lawrence and Julie Brooks) at
lbrroks@sbcglobal.net -- they're the vendor coordinators. Last year's
event drew a crowd of more than 550, and we hope to do as well or
better this year.

We're also very interested in inviting military and civilian
re-enactors to join us and help make Rome come to life. If you can come
in costume, great! And if you can't, but would like to volunteer, we'd
also love to hear from you. Especially, we need Nova Romans to staff
the Nova Roma table, sell T-shirts and so forth, and talk about the
organization with interested visitors. Volunteers get free admission
and the undying gratitude of the Cassii. Let me know if you can make it!

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Baths when houses ran 56,000 square feet
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 02:28:51 -0000

The ritual of the public Roman bath consisted of the
1. Frigidarium...The cold tub
2. Tepidarim...The lukewarm tub
3. Caldarium....The hot tub symphony.

The ritual began with olive oil instead of soap and scrapers instead
of a wash cloth. The bather first had to soak in the cold tub, then
go on to the tepid water bath and finally to the caldarium, the hot
tub. Scrapers included wooden sythes and other curved ivory
scrapers, even pumice and volcanic ash stone.
Since soap was invented by the Phoenicians, chamomile flowers and
leaves were used for the hair. The final pool was open to the sky
and called the natatio.

Then the bather had to wash in the small plunge baths. After the
bath, separate areas for men and women, there was a choice between
gymnastics or the library and garden. The public bathhouse was
large, the size of a large urban railway station. Penn Station in NY
(now torn down) was built to imitate the Baths of Caracalla in Rome.
The public baths were built on a scale of 1,076 x 1,315 feet.
Some private villas had 56 rooms and ran 56,000 square feet of house
with indoor and outdoor pools. After gymnastics the ritual started
all over again. Think about the grand scale some villas were built
on in ancient Rome.

Octavia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] here's a great fund raising idea
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 02:36:30 -0000

Salvete,

Several years ago when I lived in San Diego, the Bedouin Bazaar was
run by two women who arranged it this way, and Nova Roma could raise
money doing something similar.

First, they rented the auditorium of the Shriner's grand temple that
has these huge Egyptian statues out front so it looks like an
ancient temple in Egypt or Rome. Some similar place where you are
could be rented likewise.

Second, they sold booths to dozens of vendors who sold imported
jewelry, ancient Roman costumes, bellydance costumes, Egyptian
imported caftans, jewelry, incense, and the like. Same could be done
with a Roman theme, especially with the costumes, even ancient Roman
wedding gowns. The vendors sold mostly imports, scarves, costumes,
dancers costumes, CDs, tapes, and other things from food in the
ancient Roman style, mostly vegetarian, the fruit juices.

Third, the musicians, There was a Greek band. (You could offer
ancient Roman music).

Fourth, there was a bellydance contest that lasted on Sat and Sun
from 10 am to 7pm without a break, one dancer after the other all
day, with their own taped music and a live band in the last hour or
two. A dance contest. A music contest.

You could have a type of toga party with similar ancient
Mediterranean entertainment and food from the vendors. The family
atmosphere was wonderful. The place was packed with moms and kids
and dancers and musicians, vendors, and people buying the Med. food.

A lot of CDs, videos, and tapes sold, costumes, jewelry, etc. The
charge was $10 a person. So you could have an ancient Roman day
instead of this ancient Egyptian bellydance pageant. A similar thing
is done here in N. Calif. with the Renaissance faire with medieval
costuming, vendors, and music/performers.

So, to raise funds, why not have an ancient Roman bazaar? Just a
thought.

Vale,
Octavia

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
From:	"James LaSalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:54:45 -0600

I got the janruary issue. You do an AWSOME job! What was the footnote on my
poem?
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:47 PM
To: Nova-Roma; Novaromaeagle; aurelia iulia pulchra
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum

EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
E Domo Curatoris Differum Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
is hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective Today the
7th of Februarius MMDCCLVI auc 7 February 2003.
In the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
and Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From:	"James LaSalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:55:36 -0600

Did you hear what Mandela said about the US to NOW?
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:37 PM
To: Nova-Roma
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

"Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly."

Well said

Tiberius

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

> the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and
violence

Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Sources? De Officiis
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 03:09:05 -0000

Sp. Postumius Tubertus writes:

[...]
> I've decided to write a researched essay about the various political
> offices of the Roman Republic [...]

> [...] Does anyone
> have any thoughts on which primary and/or secondary resources would
> be good for this?

Livy explains the magesterial offices in considerable detail.
You can find much of his work online at http://classics.mit.edu

I've also found Jo-Ann Shelton's book _As The Romans Did_
published by Oxford Press to be quite useful in understanding
Roman social history. It includes extensive footnotes which
reference the various primary sources.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Does anyone know whether the area today of Moldova was under ancient Roman Rule?
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 03:12:43 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "biojournalism
<biojournalism@h...>" <biojournalism@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I'm wondering whether the town of Bessarabia in Moldova was ever
> under Rome in ancient times, and if so, what was it called? I'm
> researching this area for my novel that takes place in ancient
Rome.

Salve,

I'm not exactly sure where the town of Bessarabia is located in
Moldovia. Searching on the term Bessarabia lends me to believe that
Bessarabia is not a town but a geographic region that encompasses
modern Moldavia and Ukraine. A complete side note, but if I remember
correctly in the play "Fiddler On The Roof", the village of Anatevka
was in this area of the Ukraine.

The answer to your question is maybe. Areas of the geographic region
of Bessarabia were under Roman rule (called Dacia) from 106-270 CE.
If your town of Bessarabia was in the province of Dacia and the novel
set in that time frame, you could probably say that is was under
Roman rule.

Good luck on your novel.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Cassii going to Rome!
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 03:26:12 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Fr. Apulus Caesar Q. Cassio Calvo et Guests in Italy S.P.D.
>
> What a tragical suggestions!
> How many far you're went in Italy? Several things are changed and
you
> describe Rome like a "impossible" city. Maybe youy have to see
cities like
> Athen or the spanish. :-)
> Of course we live in a different way from the american or the north-
european
> style. We're more chaotic and we have personal easy and
wonderfulidea of the
> daily life ;-)
> Please, take my little corrections.

Salve,

I apologize if it seems if I was given your wonderful city a bad
reputation. Those "rules" tend to be common sense in any urban
setting be it Rome, Tokyo, or New York. I've never had the
opportunity to go to Athens. Besides Rome and Naples, I've been to
Barcelona, Marsailles, Venice, Trieste, Algers, Tunis, Haifi,
Jerusalem, Lisbon, Cannes, London, Amsterdam, Den Helder, Izmir, and
a few other places. Someday I hope to be able to make it to Germany,
Ireland, and Iceland. However global travels aren't in my budget for
the forseeable future.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Sources? De Officiis
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:50:21 -0500

Sp. Postumius Cn. Equitio Marino Aedili Curuli S.P.D.

Salve,

Thank you for the resources. I'll certainly be using Livy and Cicero, as well as some Greek authors such as Plutarch and Polybius.
Also, I anticipate using _Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities_ if I can come up with the funds to buy a printed
version (I'm trying to keep away from Internet materials). I'll certainly look into your literary suggestion as well, and anything
else the people have to contribute.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

Retiarius, Scriba, Citizen, Accensus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Call to Cives in America Boreoccidentalis
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 04:23:01 -0000

To all Nova Roman citizens living in Idaho, Oregon, Washington and
Alaska, which together comprise Provincia America Boreoccidentalis,
salvete!

I'd like to follow the lead of my fellow new governor and invite all
cives living in the US northwest to subscribe to the provincial
mailing list at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/

If you are not already a member of the America Boreoccidentalis
mailing list, please do join, either by sending an e-mail
to AmBor_Waves-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or by going
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/ and press the big
blue "join this group" button.

Once you're a member, you can set your preferences for receiving e-
mail (either individual e-mails sent to your box, a daily digest or
do as I do and read everything on-line).

We have grown to 54 cives these past two years, but only 12
individuals subscribe to our local list, and two of those twelve live
abroad!

We have some wonderful new opportunities to meet and plan some live
events here in the northwest, but we need to work on these exciting
events together.

Carpe diem! Reach out and connect or reconnect with your friendly
neighbourhood Romans today!

---
ex officio
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Provincial Praetrix,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.novaroma.org

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] George Washington was a fan of Ancient Roman Drama
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:06:56 -0500

Salve

Try Scipio Africanus: Greater than Napoleon by B.H. Liddell Hart De Capo Press, Inc
c 1994

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] George Washington was a fan of Ancient Roman Drama

Salvete Omnes,

Anyone have the name of a book in English on the Third Punic War? Or
the life of Cato the Edler? I'm writing a scene set in Numidia
between Cato the Elder and Scipio Africanus with the King of
Numidia, Masinissa, in the scene for the serialized novel that will
be appearing monthly in Nova Roman Times magazine. I wanted to put
in some accurate military terms of what it was like for Romans
battling in Numidia/Carthage just before 150 BCE during the 3rd
Punic War. Also at the same time I believe a slave uprising took
place in Setia, near Rome, involving Carthaginian POWs and their own
slaves who banded together and wreaked havoc on the countryside
between Setia and Rome. Anyone who's a historian know of anything in
English I can read to check the facts as far as accurate history?
Thanks.

Also:

Here's a great Roman play for anyone to perform for Internet
broadcast audio theatre at:
http://www.geocities.com/stoicvoice/journal/0101/ja0101d0.htm

According to the Web site:
"George Washington was so taken with the character of Cato the
younger in Joseph Addison's 1713 play Cato that he made the Roman
republican his role model. He went to see Cato numerous times from
early manhood into maturity and even had it performed for his troops
at Valley Forge despite a congressional resolution that plays were
inimical to republican virtue. Washington included lines from the
play in his private correspondence and even in his farewell
address." (Thoughts of a Philosophical Fighter Pilot, Hoover Press,
1995, p.75.)

Now, it the series of short stories I'm writing for Nova Roma Times
and also which will be a novel, I don't focus on the younger Cato as
in the play. My emphasis is on Cato, the Elder. This character had
an attitude from pinching sesterces to expelling senators for
holding their wife's hand in public and so on. But if anyone is
interested in teaching how George Washington was a great fan of
ancient Roman drama, here's one key....George Washington made the
Roman Republic is role model. A writer of his times, Joseph Addison,
wrote a play in 1713 that Washington liked so much, he put lines
from the play about Cato's life into his farewell address.

Suddenly, I realized when I was writing this new novel based on the
older Cato, that most US and European college campuses are laid out
according to the directions on how to plan a Roman military
campsite, all square angles and vertical lines, no curves or mazes.
Take a look around your local railroad stations. They are designed,
particularly the defunct Pennsylvania railroad station in NY, like
the Baths of Caracalla in Rome....And university campuses are laid
out like a Roman military camp. Fascinating.

Vale,
Octavia Fabia Scriba

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Results from the Senate Vote
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:54:20 -0500

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 04:49:43PM -0000, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Caius Minucius Scaevola writes:
>
> > Congratulations, Marinus amice! I'm delighted to see your abilities
> > and your service to Nova Roma recognized in this way, and wish you
> > the best of luck in this office.
>
> You're most kindly welcome. As I mentioned over in the mediatlantica
> mailing list, no governor governs alone. I'll be looking to you and
> many others for help in getting things done.

And you're welcome to the help I can provide. In the past couple of
days, I've been testing a new wireless connection; it's slow (around
15-20kb/s) but much faster and more reliable than what I've had. Things
are looking up!

> How're things down there in the balmy reaches of Florida? And
> when do you think you'll be sailing back this way?

Well, they're only balmy occasionally: we had 75-degree weather a few
days ago, and low 60s since then. Spring is still a week or two away. :)
As for sailing to the Frozen North, I'm looking at taking off in early
to mid-April, depending on the weather.

Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dubitando ad veritatem venimus.
We arrive at the truth being sceptical.
-- Pierre AbИlard, "Sic et non?"

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Call to Cives in America Boreoccidentalis
From:	"Caius Cornelius Varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>" <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 06:53:00 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna
<curatrix@v...>" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> If you are not already a member of the America Boreoccidentalis
> mailing list, please do join, either by sending an e-mail
> to AmBor_Waves-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or by going
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/ and press the big
> blue "join this group" button.<snip>

As an addendum to Praetor Julilla Sempronia Magna's request for
activity, i'd like to add that whether you are already a member or new
to the list, an introduction to the listmembers is a great way to
break ice and get the activity going.

It's been quiet lately and there are new faces around who may not know
you (including myself).

Stop in and say Ave!

C. Cornelius Varus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New file uploaded to Nova-Roma
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Governors' List?
From:	"Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:57:00 -0000

Salve Gnae Equiti, Propraetor,

>I think we need to have a standard "package" of information that
>each new governor gets from the Senate upon appointment, including
>useful little tidbits like this knowledge. Those who come after
>me may not have the benefit of an eagle-eyed Quintilianus to help
>them.

I have worked on a 'Governors Handbook' with Caius Flavius Diocletianus - a document that does just as you describe. At the moment he has a draft copy that he is checking over but it should be ready for publication soon.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] George Washington was a fan of Ancient Roman Drama
From:	"Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:59:54 -0000

Salve

>Anyone have the name of a book in English on the Third Punic War?

Try 'The Punic Wars' by Brian Caven. ISBN 0-88029-892-8

Hope this helps.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Oath
From:	"marullinus <marullinus@libero.it>" <marullinus@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:33:33 -0000

I, Aelius Solaris Marullinus do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of Franciscus Apulus Caesar while I hold this office,
except when
such action would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Aelius Solaris Marullinus, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and
Responsibilities of the office of Scriba Propraetoris Curator
Araneum to the best of my Abilities while following the Roman virtues
and ideals.

I, Aelius Solaris Marullinus, swear to give faithful service to my
magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris Curator
Araneum with all the privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto

Aelius Solaris Marullinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: fund raising idea
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:14:15 -0500

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 06:42 AM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

> So, to raise funds, why not have an ancient Roman bazaar? Just a
> thought.
>

That's what Roman Market Day was meant to do! (See
www.romanmarketday.com for details.) It didn't raise any funds -- the
goal, which we didn't achieve in the first year, is simply to break
even while encouraging people to learn about ancient Rome and possibly
join Nova Roma. We gained several Citizens at the event, and
entertained hundreds of people.

There are many plans for Nova Roma to raise money, and I'm sure that if
you wanted to put on an event, you could work with your provincial
Praetor to get something going. Your province is entitled to a share of
tax revenues raised from its citizens, and while this doesn't amount to
much, it might be enough to get your started.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Summer Camp
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:43:24 -0500

Salve Romans

As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area that I thinks we should give serious thought to.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Summer Camp
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:51:08 -0000

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

> As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has
> given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp?

I don't know if anybody has taken a serious look at doing this in
the US anywhere, but earlier last year I was involved in discussions
with some of our European colleagues about the creation of one or
more "Campus Novae Romae" which would be something like what you
describe. They would be open spaces available to Nova Roman citizens
for camping, and could be used for organized camping activities too.

Do you have an idea for a location of such a thing? (Anybody else
with a good possible location is welcome to speak up too! There's
no reason we can't have several of these.)

While I'm mentioning the Campus Novae Romae, I should also mention
the Domus Novae Romae (Nova Roma House) idea which goes with it.
Houses in various places which would be something like the YMCA/YWCA
in the US. To begin with, they'd have to be the private homes of
citizens who were willing to offer hospitality to visiting citizens
comparable to European youth hostels.

But over time it might be possible to purchase properties explicitly
for the purpose of being Nova Roma Houses. Likewise with the camps.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Summer Camp
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:15:27 +0100

Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!

I have taken up the idea of a "Roman House"/"Roman Camp" movement
during last years election campaign. Camps have also been loosly
discussed in the "Societas Iuventutis Romanae" Society of Roman Youth
(SIR) as a way to develop that organisation. The idea was to have two
camps, one for grown ups and as neighbours the Youth Camp.

The Roman House idea is meant to range from small apartments to real
Houses centered on Roman Culture, but which could be open to the
public as often as possible. There are such House in the Nordic
countries (Thule) owned by the labour movement called "People's
Houses". These houses has changed into Houses owned by the towns and
cities and by doing so leaving some room for the Roman House idea.

Both the Houses and Camps are meant to be both a PR tool, giving us a
public face and a meeting place for Romans.

The Camps could be built as Roman military Camps, or at least be
similar to a certain extent. The activities there could be based in
Roman, art, smithery, handicraft and so on. The Scout movement could
be used as a model. There is no real limit to the development of such
a Camps. By later on buying the land the Camp is situated on we would
come much closer to owning land. Yes, I admit I really like the idea!
;-)

If You want to start such a Camp You would have my wholehearted
support. But I think that giving all such Camps a common name, like
"Roman Camps", would have great advantages.

>Salve Romans
>
>As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has
>given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area that
>I thinks we should give serious thought to.
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ATTN: New Provincial Government List
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:30:46 EST

Salvete,

As an older "Nova Roma Praetors" list has gone defunct, a new list for all
levels of Nova Roma Provincial Government has been created at:

<A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaProvinciae/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaProvinciae/</A>

This list is restricted to official Provincial Praetors, Provincial
Proconsuls, Provincial Legates and Scribae (who sometimes at need must carry
out the duties of the Praetors) and the Consuls and members of the Senate.
(who are historically responsible for overseeing all the Provinciae
together.)

An attempt has been made to directly subscribe all Provincial officials to
this list. A few Provincial officers could not be directly subscribed, and an
invitation letter has been sent to them. Senators and the Consuls have *not*
been subscribed directly, but are very much invited to join this list.

There may be a few Legates or Scribae who where incorrectly listed on the NR
website. If anyone has been subscribed to the Nova Roma Provinciae in error,
you can be unsubscribed again quickly and with sincere apologies. (Also,
anyone wishing to change their mode of subscription can go to "digest mode"
or "read on web only" by visiting the group home page listed above.

Every effort will be made to make membership on this list worth everyone's
time. There is great potential in the Provinciae, and much that needs to be
done; and this will be the place where information is shared and resources
provided. Topics will include a lot of "How To" material, including the
organizing of gatherings and events, keeping up Provincial resources,
contacting local Citizens, etc.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Proconsul, Senator, Provincial Legate
(On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Summer Camp
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:04:57 -0500

Salve Romans

As this idea has the support of our new Governor and our Senior Consul I would like to suggest that we form a working group to put together a plan to start a summer camp for this year. The camp could be one week or two and can be placed late in August so we can have from now until then to plan and get our act together.

These and other questions need to be addressed

1. Where will the camp be held?

2. How much will it cost to hold the camp a make a little money for the Treasury?

3. What would the program be?

4 Who should we invite and how?

5. How many campers should we plan for.

6. How do we staff the camp?

7 .How is the food prepared and what is the menu?

8. What age group would the camp be for?

9. How long one week or two? more or less?

10. Do we try and pay the staff or is everybody a volunteer?

11. If volunteer, how much time can they give, who is available to staff the camp.

12. What are the heath and safety concerns that we need to address?

13 All the other questions we need to ask.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Cassii going to Rome!
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:05:40 +0100

Fr. Apulus Caesar Q. Cassio Calvo S.P.D.

> I apologize if it seems if I was given your wonderful city a bad
> reputation. Those "rules" tend to be common sense in any urban
> setting be it Rome, Tokyo, or New York.

Don't worry, I understand you :-)
We are usual to create "fixed ideas" about something and they come from how
we have "live" their.
Maybe you have seen Rome (it's not my city, I live in Bari, 200 km far to
Naples) in a special time and status, maybe you come from a different
society and I know the Italy is not so quite and orderly (Naples especially)
;-)
My corrections to your rules are not critics, only funny words to "destroy"
this fixed ideas. Maybe someone could read their in a wrong way and avoid to
come in Italy. :-) (or build Nova Roma here? ;-)
I have the same "fixed ideas" about Los Angeles, a very very very violent
city for me. Or I thing London and english cities are too "perfect",
Amsterdam too "extreme", Barcallona too "crazy", Berlin too "sad", Paris too
"romantic". But I come from a strange and funny land where everything is
possible and everything not. ;-)
So at the end, don't worry, I'm hot hurted. :-)

> I've never had the
> opportunity to go to Athens.

My "fixed ideas" about it: too chatic, too traffic, too hot :-)
But it's wonderful!!!

> Besides Rome and Naples, I've been to
> Barcelona, Marsailles, Venice, Trieste, Algers, Tunis, Haifi,
> Jerusalem, Lisbon, Cannes, London, Amsterdam, Den Helder, Izmir, and
> a few other places. Someday I hope to be able to make it to Germany,
> Ireland, and Iceland. However global travels aren't in my budget for
> the forseeable future.

You have seen several places and I love it. This knowledge create more
experiences and more experience liek this create an open mind :-)
In Italy I suggest you to visit the wonderful Sicily, the Sardegna and
Puglia for the sea, Bologna for the meals :-), the North for the Alpes.
And I suggest you to visit Austria, the Cote Azur, Madrid, the Andalusia,
Paris, the greek islands, etc.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Call for Ludi writers
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:49:22 +0100

Fr. Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

My Cohors Aedilis is organizing new and biggest Ludi for the 2756 with the
help of each Aedile.
My Office is specializing in the sport games, the most exciting events
during a festival, like the famous Ludi Circenses, the Munera Gladiatores,
the Venationes and the new Naumachiae.
We are almoust ready to start in the first Ludi, Megalesia from 4th to 10th
April. However we need help to accomplish their, we need english writers for
the each games.

They must have:
- good knowledge of english language
- "exciting" tone and language
- full disponibility for one week (or more) in April, May, September and
October (the dates of Ludi)

You can send your candidacy to me at sacro_barese_impero@libero.it as soon
as possible.
We're waiting for you.

valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] R: Cassii going to Rome!
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:29:58 +0100

Fr. Apulus Caesar marco Cassio Juliano S.P.D.

> I am very pleased, (and a little surprised) to announce that Patricia
Cassia
> and myself will be travelling to Rome on vacation at the end of this
month!
> We'll be leaving the US on Feb 28, and will be returning on March 9. :)

> We're staying in a hotel right near the Forum, and are planning day trips
to
> Ostia, Pompeii, etc. This will be our first trip to Rome and I can't wait
to
> visit the ancient sites, make some surreptitius offerings at some of the
> Temples, etc.

Have a nice trip, Marce! I'm sure you'll have wonderful time!

> If anyone has any trips about travel to Rome, we'd be happy to hear them.
> Also, if any of our Italian Citizens would like to meet somewhere, we're
up
> for it!

Of course, I'll talk with the other italian Nova Romans hoping to find
someone able to go in Rome.
However maybe I'll can be in Rome in this period, I have to work! :-(

> I can bring NR coins and flags with us if anyone wants any.

Yes, please, I need their. I'll contact you privately.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Thanks
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:28:25 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

Thanks for the information. The province was recommended to me by my
son's medical school friend, but my novel takes place 150 BCE. I
thought that was the remote outpost/place where the Carthaginian
prisoners of war and their slaves were sent to so they'd have little
chance of getting back anytime soon to Carthage. My novel takes
place in Rome and in Numidia in Africa when the king of Numidia
allies with Rome against Carthage in the 3rd Punic War around 150
BCE. I was told Rome exiled hundreds of Berbers in the little known
and probably sparsely inhabited country north of Dacia, but my
historical research has Rome not visiting that area yet in 150 BCE.

Vale,
Octavia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Thanks
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:29:53 -0000