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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Website of the Quaestors of Nova Roma
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:20:14 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio
<mcserapio@y...>" <mcserapio@y...> scripsit:
> Citizens of Nova Roma,
>
> I announce you that it is now available the website of the
Quaestors of Nova Roma.

... and a really fine site it is! Excellent design work, and it's
really nice seeing everyone's picture.

Bene fecit!

Julilla Sempronia Magna

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Worcester Art Museum Pompeii lecture
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:00:57 EST

Gaivs Lanivs Falco Qviritibvs S.P.D.

I cordially invite all interested cives to join me at the Worcester Art
Museum, Worcester, Massachusetts, for a lecture concerning the Imperial Cult
Building (Sanctuary of the Public Lares). The following notice can be found
on the website of WAM (www.worcesterart.org/Events/)

AIA Lecture: Pompeii's Most Important Building
March 2, 2:30 p.m.
Free

The Imperial Cult Building, sometimes called the Sanctuary of the
Public Lares,
with its highly articulated walls, and bold treatment of interior
space, is one of a
kind in Pompeii. Guest lecturer John J. Dobbins, Associate Professor
of
Classical Art & Archaeology at the University of Virginia, is director
of the
Pompeii Forum Project. Presented by the Archaeological Institute of
America.

Before and after the lecture we can view the magnificent Antioch mosiacs on
display, along with a room full of additional examples of ancient Roman art
such as glassware, bronzes, marble sculpture, and mummy portraits. After
that, we will play it by ear.

We can meet just inside the Salisbury Street entrance and make our way to the
lecture room. Plan to arrive at 1:30 p.m. The museum admission cost is
adults - $8; full-time students w/current ID, seniors - $6; anyone 17 or
under, and members - FREE. For directions to the museum check
www.worcesterart.org/directions.html.

Hope to see you there!

Valete, respectfully

GAIVS LANIVS FALCO
Legatus Provincia Nova Britannia
Acting Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus, Provincia Britannia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:31:45 -0500

Sp. Postumius Quiritibus S.P.D

Salvete,

Earlier, while that infamous virus, that it appears I was not the only one to have, was taking over my computer, I stated that I
would not be sending any personal e-mails until further notice. Well, I finally got some new virus scanning software (about three
days ago), and it appears that my virus problems have left me, for now. That said, I think it would now be safe to open any mailing
that has my full name in the "From:" (or appropriate, with regards to language and other differences) header. Those without the
(dare I say) luxury of seeing names for a sender, still be cautious, please.

Optime Valete in Pace et Amicitia et Clementia inter Civibus,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

Citizen

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] FACTIO VENETA BLUE BLEU AZUL AZZURRO
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:46:57 -0800

Factio Veneta et omnibus SPD
I have been active in the past and am ready to participate with Factio
Veneta. Do I still own the charioteer Flavius Iaculator? When is the next
Ludi? I've also developed some Veneta graphics for possible use as icons and
backgrounds for future Veneta related web projects.
Also, I'll be out there in the Circus Maximus haranguing the mobs of the
Factio Veneta.

G*CORNELIVS*AHENOBARBVS

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Quo vadis?
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 05:24:15 -0000

Agricola writes:

[about Caeso Fabius' website]

> I read his website. I agree with his goals, but there are no
> nuts and bolts plans for ACTION. They are mainly just goals.
> And they are just one man's vision.

What Caeso Fabius has there is representative of the vision, the
goals, and the plan that he shares with many of us who convinced
him to run for Consul and who campaigned for him.

> As to your response:
>
> "I guess you weren't paying attention the last time."
>
> No need for insults.

In your case it's hard to be sure. You post your snippy little
one-liners followed by kilobytes of re-quoted material and the
ever present legal office disclaimer which makes the absurd
claim that a mailing list post is a privileged communication
worthy of client-attourney privilege. What are we supposed to
think, other than that you're a trouble maker sniping from the
sidelines?

> Nothing in my original e-mail required the tone you used.

The post I replied to was one in which you brought up an issue
that we'd discussed just a week ago. It was like hearing a broken
record. Furthermore, it was yet another example of you acting
to undermine the dignity and authority of the magistrates and
the Senate.

> I didn't know the senior consul's politcal platform was the
> last word on the subject.

It's a plan. That's what you asked for. If you want to discuss
points in that plan, or to propose alternative ideas, then do so.
But don't continue acting as if no plan exists.

> "Go read about his plan for Nova Roma."
>
> I don't like the tone of this comment, either.

Agricola, there is so much that I don't like about your posts in
general that it would take me hours to write about it. Whether or
not you like my tone would seem to be of the least possible
interest to you, given the way you come across in your posts.

> Its like a command, or an order.

Ya think? Consider the word "arrogatio" and then consider that
I'm an elected curule magistrate.

> I seriously doubt you'd use that tone in person.

If I ever have the misfortune, I may not be as polite as I am here.

> So don't do it here.

In general, I don't. But in your case, every once in a while,
I make a special exception.

We all earn our reputations here. Present yourself as a jerk, and
people will see you as a jerk. You've done that admirably.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:56:06 -0500

Salvete -

On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:31:45PM -0500, Spurius Postumius Tubertus
wrote:
>
> Earlier, while that infamous virus, that it appears I was not the only
> one to have, was taking over my computer, I stated that I would not be
> sending any personal e-mails until further notice. Well, I finally got
> some new virus scanning software (about three days ago), and it
> appears that my virus problems have left me, for now. That said, I
> think it would now be safe to open any mailing that has my full name
> in the "From:" (or appropriate, with regards to language and other
> differences) header. Those without the (dare I say) luxury of seeing
> names for a sender, still be cautious, please.

Once again: the sender's name in the "From:" line is *not* definitive.
Anyone can put anything they wish in there; as an example, take a look
at an address on a piece of spam - they're almost universally faked.

Your address may very well show up in the "From:" line of an email sent
by a virus from another computer; all that's necessary is for it to be
in the address book of the person whose computer is infected.

Three methods that will greatly decrease or even eliminate the chance of
infecting your machine:

1) GOOD: Disable automatic execution of attachments in Outlook.
2) BETTER: get rid of Outlook and use a decent mail client (Pegasus
Mail for Windows is free, solidly written, and void of stupid
default behaviors.)
3) BEST: install Linux, and forget about viruses.

(For a totally painless way to check out Linux - no installation
required, runs from a CD - see <http://knoppix.com>.)

Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Nil desperandum!
Never despair!
-- Horace, "Carmina"

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:54:51 -0600

Salve,

You can add a #4 Buy a Mac w/OSX.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:11:42 -0500

Salve,

Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..

Drastically limited software availability. Especially games, which we
all know is what computers are REALLY for.

OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4 different Adobe
applications at the same time! Yay!")

Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever crashes! Yay!")

Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are left
with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software section at
Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")

Valve,

A not so much enthusiastic as resigned Windows user,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Collins [mailto:cotta@spamcop.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:55 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails

Salve,

You can add a #4 Buy a Mac w/OSX.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: NR Demographics, was:(Plebs really the majority?)
From:	"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:34:28 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...>
wrote:
> --- "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
> <bcatfd@t...> escreveu: >
> > Salve,
> [..] other plebeian to hold the office of consul was
> > Consul Suffectus
> > Quintus Caecilius Metellus, who replaced Flavius
> > Vedius in Sept. 1998
> > after his resignation. Incidently, Metellus was a
> > founding senator of
> > Nova Roma, one of the 4 original senators--and chose
> > to be a plebeian
> > (he was also Plebeian Aedile for that year though
> > the annals
> > incorrectly show the position as vacant).
>
> M.ARMINIUS: I find this information extremely
> interesting. Do you (or somebody else) have a idea
> about when he became Aedilis Plebis (01/march, or
> later)? And when he resigned from Nova Roma (1999,
> 2000)?.
> Apparently, this data is too old to be at the
> censorial databanks...

Yes, unfortunately much early information is not in the databanks.
The first mailing list of Nova Roma, which operated for our first 5
or 6 months did not store information, so much of that is lost. I do
have a lot of it saved--one of these days I will organize it for
public access.

There are other gaps in our records: Lucina Iunia Cypria was Curule
Aedile in 1998, appointed in April (our other one, Silvanus was
appointed in March).

It is hard for this information to be collected since there is no
single repository of infomation and history.

Anyway, yes Metellus was Senator and Plebeian Aedile from day one,
March 1. He wanted to have the Plebeian institutions operating from
the beginning, which is why he did not ask for another magistracy. He
could have been praetor if he desired. When Nova Roma started there
were 4 magistrates, they were also senators: 2 Consuls, 1 praetor,
and 1 Plebeian Aedile--Metellus. There were 5 gentes when we opened
for business: Vedia, Cassia, Iunia, Maria and Caecilia Metella, the
latter deliberately plebeian.

After quite a bit of searching last night I cannot find exactly when
he resigned. He was active until at least Fall of 1999, I have a
message from him threatening a veto in Sept of 99 while he was
Tribune of the Plebs. Tonight I found the text of an IM chat from
March of 2000 in which he was considering resigning. I believe he
left not long after, perhaps during the gender edict controversy. If
I find something more specific, I will let you know.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: NR Demographics, was:(Plebs really the majority?)
From:	"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:42:01 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
<bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...>
> wrote:
> > --- "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
> > <bcatfd@t...> escreveu: >
> > > Salve,
> There are other gaps in our records: Lucina Iunia Cypria was Curule
> Aedile in 1998, appointed in April (our other one, Silvanus was
> appointed in March).
>
> It is hard for this information to be collected since there is no
> single repository of infomation and history.

Responding to my own message:

Another gap is that the first Propraetor of Canada Orientalis--me--
is missing. I was Praetor remotely (I lived 45 miles from its borders)
until someone local--Cicero--could take the position.

No doubt there are other gaps, obviously I am most familiar with my
own history though I have decent overall records of other people as
well. Others should review the archives and annals to ensure their
information is correct while these events are not too far in the
past.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Land Project --- Please help!!
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:52:57 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

there is a lot of new citizens and the list being rather quiet, it would be a good time
to give your ideas about the Land Project. We have received so far more than 30 answers,
but still not enough to have a good idea of what our citizens want!
It will take you only a few minutes to fill up the form at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Land_Project/public/submission.html

Nova Roma needs your input!!

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
NRLand Project

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:41:53 -0800 (PST)

It is possible to set up a dual boot computer that can
boot up either Linux or Windows. Both Red Hat and
Mandrake Linux have installers that detect a Windows
installation, and offer to set you coumputer up for
Dual boot. With a dual boot computer when you turn it
on you are offered a choice of booting into Linux or
Windows, so you can use Linux for safety from Viruses
and other security problems and still play games on
Windows.

--- Adrian Gunn <shinjikun@shinjikun.com> wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..
>
>
>
> Drastically limited software availability.
> Especially games, which we
> all know is what computers are REALLY for.
>
>
>
> OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4
> different Adobe
> applications at the same time! Yay!")
>
> Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever,
> ever, ever, ever,
> ever crashes! Yay!")
>
> Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the
> rest of us are left
> with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a
> myriad of other
> inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my
> software section at
> Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")
>
>
>
> Valve,
>
>
>
> A not so much enthusiastic as resigned Windows user,
>
>
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Collins [mailto:cotta@spamcop.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
>
>
>
> Salve,
>
> You can add a #4 Buy a Mac w/OSX.
>
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
>
> --
> Mac OSX iChat/AIM: WyrdCharlie
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Summer Camp
From:	"William Rogers <wlr107@yahoo.com>" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:10:32 -0000

VERY GOOD IDEA! :-) Me like MUCHO GRANDE! :-)

Publius Tarquitius Rufus
Citizen

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has
given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area that I
thinks we should give serious thought to.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] CHARIOT RACE NOW!!!! Join Factio Praesina!!!!!
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:38:00 -0000

Citizens of Nova Roma,

That's really the first chariot race of the year! And it is available
to members of the Factio Praesina only, the GREEN team, the stronger
team of Nova Roma! (just look at last year's results!)

You all are invited to join the Chariot Race of Factio Praesina! Just
become a member of our victorious factio subscribing our mailing list
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina

The green race on the Circus wait for yours teams! It�s the GREEN
show!
The public waits for your chariots on the sand! You will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship!

After you joined our Mailing List you can finally send your
inscription to mcserapio@yahoo.it saying:

- Your Novaroman name
- Chariot name
- Driver Name
- Your Tactics. Choose among:
1 To hurry in the last laps
2 To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
3 To support a constant pace
4 To lash the rivals
5 To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6 To hurry in the straight lines

Remember to write in subject line "Ludi Praesina"!!!

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory!! Who will
be the green champion in 2756 AUC?

Be hurry! Inscriptions end on February 18th, next week!!!!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Summer Camp
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:41:09 +0100

Me like MUCHO GRANDE! :-)

> Was This intended to be a joke?
Learn Spanish, fellow citizen Publius Tarquitius Rufus!
>
antonius adrianus urcitanus

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"
> <spqr753@m...>
>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve Romans
>
> >
>
> > As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody
> has
>
> given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area
> that I
>
> thinks we should give serious thought to.
>
> >
>
> > Vale
>
> >
>
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: FACTIO VENETA BLUE BLEU AZUL AZZURRO
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:58:02 +0100

Fr. Apulus Caesar G. Cornelio Ahenobarbo S.P.D.

> I have been active in the past and am ready to participate with Factio
> Veneta.

Salve Amice, I'l happy to read you again.

> Do I still own the charioteer Flavius Iaculator?

Of course.

> When is the next Ludi?

Megalesia Ludi, from 4th to 10th April. As Senior Curule Aedile I'll be the
organizer.

> I've also developed some Veneta graphics for possible use as icons and
> backgrounds for future Veneta related web projects.

Please, send me their too.

> Also, I'll be out there in the Circus Maximus haranguing the mobs of the
> Factio Veneta.

Good luck!

Vale
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Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Quo Vadis?
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:03:18 -0800 (PST)

Marinus et omnes--Okay, having looked at Caseo Fabius
Quintillianus' website now, I think I might have an
idea of what Agricola was trying to say.

I looked at the part of the website designated as the
'Financial Plan.' What I saw there was much talk of
global recognition and international participation,
but I saw no numbers, at all.

I may not have been looking in the right place, but
still, I can't seriously regard something as a
financial plan if I see no numbers describing what the
current situation is and how Caseo (or anyone) hopes
to improve those numbers.

Is there a place where one can look at the numbers to
see what is the current financial standing and what is
the minimum amount of funding needed to maintain even
a small plot of land--say 10 acres?

Granted, that figure will vary from country to country
and from place to place within any given country. So,
for the sake of argument, it would help to know
approximately what it would cost in purchase price and
taxes to maintain 10 acres in, say the US or Europe.

---
Renata Corva

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"Yesterday, it worked.
Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"Brighn $Paul Kershaw$" <brighn@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:03:39 -0500

Not to add more fuel to the geek wars, but...

Win 98 crashed several times a week for me. I had to try three or four times each time I wanted to upload pics from my digital camera. My Internet connection was unreliable. I couldn't get a network to work.

Win XP has crashed maybe twice in the year-plus since I've had it, and never in recent memory. It reliably uploads pics on the first try, every time. My Internet connection was reliable. The network works fine with a cable modem and a Win ME laptop.

It's still not perfect, and I did have to discard a scanner (which was pretty junky anyway) because I couldn't get XP drivers for it. And yada yada about Outlook's security issues. But it's definitely improving.

-- Festus
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are left
with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software section at
Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] viruses all over the place!
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:07:53 -0800

Ave Consul,

You should, most viruses are made for PC machines.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] viruses all over the place!

Salve Illustrus Senator!

The same is happening to me now. I hope that I will survive as I use
a Macintosh.

>Ave,
>
>I received three today. One from C. Flavius on the Nova Roma Laws
>list. One from Palladius, and one from Scipio Apollonius. However,
>it is my estimation that none of them actually sent it. The new
>virus's are technologically advanced enough to hide the true
>infector.
>
>But I must say that this is nothing compared to the virus's and spam
>I received when I was Consul and Censor. I would get at least 10 a
>day when my email address was tagged with the generic Nova Roma
>addresses.
>
>Vale,
>
>Sulla

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo vadis?
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:34:09 -0600

Ave

I'm the jerk. Thats a good one.

And I do hope someday to meet you in person. You'll be polite, and no error.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
[mailto:equitius_marinus@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:24 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo vadis?

Agricola writes:

[about Caeso Fabius' website]

> I read his website. I agree with his goals, but there are no
> nuts and bolts plans for ACTION. They are mainly just goals.
> And they are just one man's vision.

What Caeso Fabius has there is representative of the vision, the
goals, and the plan that he shares with many of us who convinced
him to run for Consul and who campaigned for him.

> As to your response:
>
> "I guess you weren't paying attention the last time."
>
> No need for insults.

In your case it's hard to be sure. You post your snippy little
one-liners followed by kilobytes of re-quoted material and the
ever present legal office disclaimer which makes the absurd
claim that a mailing list post is a privileged communication
worthy of client-attourney privilege. What are we supposed to
think, other than that you're a trouble maker sniping from the
sidelines?

> Nothing in my original e-mail required the tone you used.

The post I replied to was one in which you brought up an issue
that we'd discussed just a week ago. It was like hearing a broken
record. Furthermore, it was yet another example of you acting
to undermine the dignity and authority of the magistrates and
the Senate.

> I didn't know the senior consul's politcal platform was the
> last word on the subject.

It's a plan. That's what you asked for. If you want to discuss
points in that plan, or to propose alternative ideas, then do so.
But don't continue acting as if no plan exists.

> "Go read about his plan for Nova Roma."
>
> I don't like the tone of this comment, either.

Agricola, there is so much that I don't like about your posts in
general that it would take me hours to write about it. Whether or
not you like my tone would seem to be of the least possible
interest to you, given the way you come across in your posts.

> Its like a command, or an order.

Ya think? Consider the word "arrogatio" and then consider that
I'm an elected curule magistrate.

> I seriously doubt you'd use that tone in person.

If I ever have the misfortune, I may not be as polite as I am here.

> So don't do it here.

In general, I don't. But in your case, every once in a while,
I make a special exception.

We all earn our reputations here. Present yourself as a jerk, and
people will see you as a jerk. You've done that admirably.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Quo Vadis?
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:42:30 -0800 (PST)

Salve Renata Omnesque,

thank you for your interest in the NRLandProject.
Answering your question is difficult at this time, even so, I will try my best!!
At this stage, it is simply impossible to give any figures. Before giving figures, costs
and profits, we need to delimit the project in order to limit the needed and unavoidable
legal search concerning taxation, accordances of NR regulation etc.. This task is time,
energy and money consuming.
I have asked our citizens to kindly participate to the poll at:
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Land_Project/public/submission.html
This is the very beginning of the project. When a majority of citizens will have answered
the poll, we will be able to limit the legal search to the country and to the type of
Land wanted by NR. When the results of the poll will be available and after some
research, it will be possible to give figures about this project . So Citizens, once
again, please participate!!
I hope this will answer your questions and please do not hesitate to contact me for
further informations.

> I looked at the part of the website designated as the
> 'Financial Plan.' What I saw there was much talk of
> global recognition and international participation,
> but I saw no numbers, at all.

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New
From:	"thurinius <linda.davidson@history.org.uk>" <linda.davidson@history.org.uk>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:28:03 -0000

Hello I am new to all this.
Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: New
From:	"aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:53:27 -0000

Linda--Hello, and welcome to Nova-Roma! :)

The main list can be quite confusing, with a lot of cnversations
going on that might seem baffling to you, at first. What sort of
Roman topics interest you? We have mailing lists which deal with a
variety of Roman subjects, from cooking, to arts, to the military,
and so on.

If you have questions, please feel free to ask, and someone here will
try to help you--probably several someones. (g)

---
Renata Corva
Rogatrix
Scriba Praetoris

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> Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New
From:	"Gnaeus Octavius Noricus" <cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:59:53 +0100

<<Hello I am new to all this.
Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.>>

Welcome to Nova Roma!

Some useful hints for new citizens can be found at http://www.novaroma.org/newcitizens/

And, as Renata Corvix said, feel free to ask any questions!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New
From:	"Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:58:17 -0000

Salve,

By you email address it seems that you reside in the UK. As governor of this province, I will gladly help you out on any queries or questions you may have pertaining to Nova Roma. Please contact me privately with what you want to know and I will do my best to help.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New

Hello I am new to all this.
Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
From:	"aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:07:16 -0000

Sextus Apollonius Scipio--Hello, and thank you for your response. :)

::Nods:: Yes, figures for land and maintenance of it are impossible
to know without knowihg where the land would be bought, etc. I guess
what I'm interested in learning (if possible) is what percentage of
our annual budget goes to the Land Fund and whether or not we are
trying to put that money to work.

I read from Caseo's site that he advises against trying to fund the
Land Project primarily through taxation, as most sensible countries
try to minimize taxation as much as they can manage. I have to agree
with him that keeping taxes low and not depending first on them for
the raising of land money is desirable (even though I recently wrote
a post exhorting the payment of taxes to aid with this). But I don't
know how profitable other fund-raising ventures are.

Anyway, I did comment in the poll. Thanks for creating that!

---
Renata Corva

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] reminder: SAVE ALBURNUS MAIOR!!!!!
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:20:58 -0000

�A gold mine threatens a great archaeological site�

A Canadian firm, Gabriel Resources, will open a gold, silver and
uranium mine which will destroy several important archaeological
sites in Romania. The choosen place for what will be the biggest
European opencast mine is Rosia Montana, the Roman Alburnus Maior, on
the Apuseni mountains.

The mining activity in this area is thousands of years old. Several
mines of the II century B.C. can still be partly travelled over.

Besides iron ores, Rosia Montana is famous in European archaeology
because of epigraphical evidence found there. Just two year ago, a
Frech-German team discovered funeral steles and a large number of
Roman altars with votive inscriptions.

The Canadian project even provides for the complete destruction of
the actual center (which will be re-built elsewhere...) with its
monuments (eight churches and nine graveyards) and its archaeological
strata.
Here they will settle one of the four shafts provided for.

The Rosia Montana valley is part of the national protected Property.
An international campaign is underway to save the ancient evidences
of that area. This campaign involves Rumanian archaeologists like
Gheorghe Lazarovici (Univesrity of Cluj), Marius Ciuta (University of
Alba Iulia), Sabin Luca (University of Sibiu). The mobilization
culminated with an appeal to the highest national authorities by 83
academics of the Academy of Economic Studies of the University of
Bucarest, in order to stop this operation. In fact, according to a
close examination, this project would not even provide the populace
with relevant economic advantages.

The World Bank has already announced, through the International
Finance Corporation (IFC), that they will not finance the project of
the Gabriel Resources: James Wohfensohn, the president of the World
Bank, intervened directly to block the loan.

The gold of this area of the Carpathians has been mined and traded in
the whole of Europe since prehistory. Trajan's column shows the Roman
occupation of the Apuseni mountains. It was a conquest which led to
Rome so much gold that its price was depressed for decades. Even with
this depreciated price the sheer amount of gold provided for the
financing of ambitious projects like the construction of the
amphitheatre in Verona.

The project of Gabriel Resources provides for the forced transfer of
2,000 people: most of them are actually employed in more than 700
farms. Production processes using cyanide, which has already
caused a lot of ecological disasters, and which are illegal in the
rest of Europe, are proposed. Just consider that about 196.4 million
tons of cyanide waste will be created. A real ecological predicament
is
looming, and unfortunately it would not be something new in Romania.
In fact, with the same mining process in another mine in Baia Mare,
water for 2,500,000 people was contaminated.

For further information go to http://www.rosiamontana.org

What we ask you is to simply sign this petition to the Government of
Romania: http://www.petitiononline.com/apuseni/petition.html

Please do that! It's very important! We must try to do our best to
assist in saving Alburnus Maior and avoiding this ecological
catastrophe!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New
From:	DrRavenNiteShade@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:24:15 EST

Hi Linda and everyone,

My husband and I are both new also. I am pagan and I love and worship
Minerva, Vulcan, Diana, and Poseidon. My husband and I LOVE Latin and are
grateful for a place to use it.

Salve,

Minervina Varia Rutila

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:49:46 -0500

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 12:54:51AM -0600, Charlie Collins wrote:

Salve -

> Salve,
>
> You can add a #4 Buy a Mac w/OSX.

<grin> Unix is Unix is Unix. You're right - OSX is a good #4.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Illi robur et aes triplex circa pectus erat, qui fragilem truci commisit pelago
ratem primus.
As hard as oak and three times bronze was the heart of him who first committed a
fragile vessel to the keeping of wild waves.
-- Horace, "Carmina"

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:10:33 -0500

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 02:11:42AM -0500, Adrian Gunn wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..
>
> Drastically limited software availability. Especially games, which we
> all know is what computers are REALLY for.

I don't know about that "we all know", especially since I use my
computers mostly for business - as do most people I know except for
young kids - but you MUST be kidding. You haven't looked at Linux
lately, have you?

Just as a quick test, I ran a search on the word "game" in the available
packages for Debian Linux, and got back 518 hits. This doesn't even
include the commercial games - all the stuff from id software, Myst,
etc. Linuxgames.org has the links to the latest commercial stuff, and
there's a lot.

> OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4 different Adobe
> applications at the same time! Yay!")
>
> Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever, ever, ever, ever,
> ever crashes! Yay!")

<laugh> You _haven't_ looked at it lately; you're just repeating
something you've heard. I suggest you take a look and _then_ make
definitive statements rather than go from 10-year-old data.

> Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are left
> with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
> inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software section at
> Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")

<blink> My software doesn't _go_ on a shelf. I just have almost *9,000*
complete software packages available for free download, and thousands
more if I want to compile them myself. Any shelf you'd care to name
looks awfully sorry by comparison.

(You: get in your car, drive down the road, shoulder your way into a
busy store, find (maybe, if it hasn't been bought up) a copy of the
latest bugware, pay through the nose at the cash register, drive back,
peel the CD out of the package, install, agree to various legal
impossibilities, curse when it doesn't work, go on the Internet,
download updated drivers, and find out that you don't really like the
software because it doesn't do what it promised. Micr*s*ft laughs at you
when you complain, after waiting for a half an hour on a $9/minute tech
support line. /Finita la commedia/, until the next act.)

(Me: type "apt-get install <software>". If I don't like it, I install
several similar programs and choose what I like.)

Shelf? Shelf??? We don' need no steenkin' shelf. :)

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Magna vis veritatis quae facile se per se ipsa defendat.
Great is the power of truth that can easily defend itself with its own force.
-- N/A

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:41 -0500

Salve,

You take my joke a bit too seriously methinks. ~_^ And the vast majority
of people I know aged 20-30 who own computers spend quite a bit of time
gaming. Maybe I just have immature friends. *shrugs*

Vale,

Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 02:11:42AM -0500, Adrian Gunn wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..
>
> Drastically limited software availability. Especially games, which we
> all know is what computers are REALLY for.

I don't know about that "we all know", especially since I use my
computers mostly for business - as do most people I know except for
young kids - but you MUST be kidding. You haven't looked at Linux
lately, have you?

Just as a quick test, I ran a search on the word "game" in the available
packages for Debian Linux, and got back 518 hits. This doesn't even
include the commercial games - all the stuff from id software, Myst,
etc. Linuxgames.org has the links to the latest commercial stuff, and
there's a lot.

> OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4 different Adobe
> applications at the same time! Yay!")
>
> Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever, ever, ever, ever,
> ever crashes! Yay!")

<laugh> You _haven't_ looked at it lately; you're just repeating
something you've heard. I suggest you take a look and _then_ make
definitive statements rather than go from 10-year-old data.

> Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are
left
> with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
> inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software section
at
> Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")

<blink> My software doesn't _go_ on a shelf. I just have almost *9,000*
complete software packages available for free download, and thousands
more if I want to compile them myself. Any shelf you'd care to name
looks awfully sorry by comparison.

(You: get in your car, drive down the road, shoulder your way into a
busy store, find (maybe, if it hasn't been bought up) a copy of the
latest bugware, pay through the nose at the cash register, drive back,
peel the CD out of the package, install, agree to various legal
impossibilities, curse when it doesn't work, go on the Internet,
download updated drivers, and find out that you don't really like the
software because it doesn't do what it promised. Micr*s*ft laughs at you
when you complain, after waiting for a half an hour on a $9/minute tech
support line. /Finita la commedia/, until the next act.)

(Me: type "apt-get install <software>". If I don't like it, I install
several similar programs and choose what I like.)

Shelf? Shelf??? We don' need no steenkin' shelf. :)

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Magna vis veritatis quae facile se per se ipsa defendat.
Great is the power of truth that can easily defend itself with its own
force.
-- N/A

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:59:55 -0000

Eeek...does that mean I have to stop and grow up now that I've hit the big three O!

Silanus.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails

Salve,

You take my joke a bit too seriously methinks. ~_^ And the vast majority
of people I know aged 20-30 who own computers spend quite a bit of time
gaming. Maybe I just have immature friends. *shrugs*

Vale,

Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 02:11:42AM -0500, Adrian Gunn wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..
>
> Drastically limited software availability. Especially games, which we
> all know is what computers are REALLY for.

I don't know about that "we all know", especially since I use my
computers mostly for business - as do most people I know except for
young kids - but you MUST be kidding. You haven't looked at Linux
lately, have you?

Just as a quick test, I ran a search on the word "game" in the available
packages for Debian Linux, and got back 518 hits. This doesn't even
include the commercial games - all the stuff from id software, Myst,
etc. Linuxgames.org has the links to the latest commercial stuff, and
there's a lot.

> OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4 different Adobe
> applications at the same time! Yay!")
>
> Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever, ever, ever, ever,
> ever crashes! Yay!")

<laugh> You _haven't_ looked at it lately; you're just repeating
something you've heard. I suggest you take a look and _then_ make
definitive statements rather than go from 10-year-old data.

> Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are
left
> with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
> inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software section
at
> Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")

<blink> My software doesn't _go_ on a shelf. I just have almost *9,000*
complete software packages available for free download, and thousands
more if I want to compile them myself. Any shelf you'd care to name
looks awfully sorry by comparison.

(You: get in your car, drive down the road, shoulder your way into a
busy store, find (maybe, if it hasn't been bought up) a copy of the
latest bugware, pay through the nose at the cash register, drive back,
peel the CD out of the package, install, agree to various legal
impossibilities, curse when it doesn't work, go on the Internet,
download updated drivers, and find out that you don't really like the
software because it doesn't do what it promised. Micr*s*ft laughs at you
when you complain, after waiting for a half an hour on a $9/minute tech
support line. /Finita la commedia/, until the next act.)

(Me: type "apt-get install <software>". If I don't like it, I install
several similar programs and choose what I like.)

Shelf? Shelf??? We don' need no steenkin' shelf. :)

Vale,
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:02:52 -0500

I didn't - I'm 31 going on 12.

Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus [mailto:danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:00 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails

Eeek...does that mean I have to stop and grow up now that I've hit the
big three O!

Silanus.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails

Salve,

You take my joke a bit too seriously methinks. ~_^ And the vast
majority
of people I know aged 20-30 who own computers spend quite a bit of
time
gaming. Maybe I just have immature friends. *shrugs*

Vale,

Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 02:11:42AM -0500, Adrian Gunn wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..
>
> Drastically limited software availability. Especially games, which
we
> all know is what computers are REALLY for.

I don't know about that "we all know", especially since I use my
computers mostly for business - as do most people I know except for
young kids - but you MUST be kidding. You haven't looked at Linux
lately, have you?

Just as a quick test, I ran a search on the word "game" in the
available
packages for Debian Linux, and got back 518 hits. This doesn't even
include the commercial games - all the stuff from id software, Myst,
etc. Linuxgames.org has the links to the latest commercial stuff, and
there's a lot.

> OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4 different Adobe
> applications at the same time! Yay!")
>
> Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever, ever, ever, ever,
> ever crashes! Yay!")

<laugh> You _haven't_ looked at it lately; you're just repeating
something you've heard. I suggest you take a look and _then_ make
definitive statements rather than go from 10-year-old data.

> Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are
left
> with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
> inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software
section
at
> Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")

<blink> My software doesn't _go_ on a shelf. I just have almost
*9,000*
complete software packages available for free download, and thousands
more if I want to compile them myself. Any shelf you'd care to name
looks awfully sorry by comparison.

(You: get in your car, drive down the road, shoulder your way into a
busy store, find (maybe, if it hasn't been bought up) a copy of the
latest bugware, pay through the nose at the cash register, drive back,
peel the CD out of the package, install, agree to various legal
impossibilities, curse when it doesn't work, go on the Internet,
download updated drivers, and find out that you don't really like the
software because it doesn't do what it promised. Micr*s*ft laughs at
you
when you complain, after waiting for a half an hour on a $9/minute
tech
support line. /Finita la commedia/, until the next act.)

(Me: type "apt-get install <software>". If I don't like it, I install
several similar programs and choose what I like.)

Shelf? Shelf??? We don' need no steenkin' shelf. :)

Vale,
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:22:05 -0500

Salve -

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 12:54:41PM -0500, Adrian Gunn wrote:
>
> You take my joke a bit too seriously methinks. ~_^ And the vast majority
> of people I know aged 20-30 who own computers spend quite a bit of time
> gaming. Maybe I just have immature friends. *shrugs*

<grin> Nope - I just used it as a jump-off point to shill for my
favorite OS. Most people I know - including me - play games on their
computers; that doesn't mean that's all they do, or even mostly. And the
gaming world under Linux is pretty exciting these days: the developers
have found out about the capabilities of framebuffer and being able to
write to the hardware without huge, slow drivers in the way, and they're
jumping on it like mad. DirectX and all that other stuff doesn't even
come close; back when I had a 233MHz Pentium, I could play DVDs without
any skips or artefacts.

Vale,
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:23:05 -0500

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 05:59:55PM -0000, Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:
>
> Eeek...does that mean I have to stop and grow up now that I've hit the
> big three O!

Nope - just means the games get that much more interesting. :)

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Rest without reading is like dying and being buried alive.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:55:43 -0800 (PST)

Salve Renata,

there is no rules concerning the way the money goes to the funds. It is a proposal made
by the Consules to the Senate. Thank you for participating to the poll. I have to say
that the names will be kept secret.

Vale,

Scipio

--- "aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio--Hello, and thank you for your response. :)
>
> ::Nods:: Yes, figures for land and maintenance of it are impossible
> to know without knowihg where the land would be bought, etc. I guess
> what I'm interested in learning (if possible) is what percentage of
> our annual budget goes to the Land Fund and whether or not we are
> trying to put that money to work.
>
> I read from Caseo's site that he advises against trying to fund the
> Land Project primarily through taxation, as most sensible countries
> try to minimize taxation as much as they can manage. I have to agree
> with him that keeping taxes low and not depending first on them for
> the raising of land money is desirable (even though I recently wrote
> a post exhorting the payment of taxes to aid with this). But I don't
> know how profitable other fund-raising ventures are.
>
> Anyway, I did comment in the poll. Thanks for creating that!
>
> ---
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>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Indo-European Languages
From:	"H Minucia Caesar <theladysabine@hotmail.com>" <theladysabine@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:44:28 -0000

Salvete! Just a question for all you linguists and/or anthropologists
out there...

I just got a call from my boyfriend, who is taking a course in
Cultural Anthropology this semestre at his university. He wanted to
tell me what his professor, a Ph.D. and author of at least one text
on anthropology, said in class this morning:

"Indo-European language groups evolved into Proto-Slavic and Proto-
Germanic dialects. The Proto-Slavics include Norwegian and
Scandinavian, from which Latin and eventually the Romance Languages
were derived."

She went on to say that French is modern day "street Latin" whereas
Italian is a much lesser derivative of the original Classical tongue.

One or more things sound wrong here, but I just want to toss it out
among you and see what you have to say about it...

-Horatia Minucia Caesar

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Reappointment of Legate Merlina Ambrosia Artori
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:04:19 -0000

Edictum Praetorium Americum Mediatlanticum I Praetoris Equiti Marini:
Reappointment of Legate

Gn. Equitius Marinus Praetoris Quiritibus salutem plurimam dixit:

Merlina Ambrosia Artori, having served America Mediatlantica Provincia
as Legata since the Kalends of Februarius, MMDCCLIV a.u.c., and having
in these two years carried out her duties as Legata faithfully and
well, is hereby reappointed as Legata for America Mediatlantica
Provincia.

Legata Merlina Ambrosia Artori shall have principle authority for
provincial matters within regio Nova Caesaria (the state of New
Jersey). However, her authority extends throughout the entire
province.

Given under my hand in America Mediatlantica Provincia, pridie Id.
Februarias, MMDCCLVI a.u.c., this year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

(12 Feb 2003 c.e.)

--
ex officio
Gn. Equitius Marinus
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:37:20 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Adrian Gunn <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
>
>Linux - great for geeks (�My computer never, ever, ever, ever, ever,
>ever crashes! Yay!�)
>
Great fun setting all the window managers and the desktop managers and XWindow to look as little like Widdly-U-no-wot as possible! Wood effect window frames - now there's class! Unfortunately I haven't found a way to get it to reduce window to actual screen size.

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:41:42 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : �L. Sicinius Drusus� <lsicinius@yahoo.com>

It is possible to set up a dual boot computer that can
>boot up either Linux or Windows. Both Red Hat and
>Mandrake Linux have installers that detect a Windows
>installation, and offer to set you coumputer up for
>Dual boot. With a dual boot computer when you turn it
>
A warning though. If you set all-Linux first, you can't go back. Windows is unforgiving (or stupid) so won't rewrite the boot tracks to suit itself. Likewise, a dual system really means a W*s subpartition inside Unix/Linux.

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:52:08 -0800 (PST)

--- me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : �L. Sicinius Drusus� <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
>
> It is possible to set up a dual boot computer that
> can
> >boot up either Linux or Windows. Both Red Hat and
> >Mandrake Linux have installers that detect a
> Windows
> >installation, and offer to set you coumputer up for
> >Dual boot. With a dual boot computer when you turn
> it
> >
> A warning though. If you set all-Linux first, you
> can't go back. Windows is unforgiving (or stupid) so
> won't rewrite the boot tracks to suit itself.
> Likewise, a dual system really means a W*s
> subpartition inside Unix/Linux.
>
> Caesariensis.
>
Usually someone who wants to Dualboot allready has a
Windows Box. I've set these up for people by simply
adding a second harddrive and installing Linux on it.
That way the only thing affected on the Windows hard
drive is the boot partition.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Land Grant tax...
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:58:04 -0800 (PST)

Salve L Porticus Brutus,

you will find yor information at:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/98031702.html

Vale,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

>Hey I have a question... I think I remember seeing somewhere on the
>website something about NR being non-profit. Where is it stated on
>the site, because I'm having trouble finding it and I would like to
>have the specific place to point to when I ask my tax person whether
>or not I should write off the "tax" payments to NR.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:20:29 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
>>
>>Just as a quick test, I ran a search on the word �game� in the available
>>packages for Debian Linux, and got back 518 hits. This doesn't even
>>include the commercial games - all the stuff from id software, Myst,
>>etc. Linuxgames.org has the links to the latest commercial stuff, and
>>there's a lot.
>>
>On the side here, would you happen to know if Red Hat includes a de-Debianiser and what it's called? I've been trying to hack my way back into real computing (not the same since the demise of RSX-11) via setting some RH up. It happens, that I have an Algol-68 to C translator but as a Debian package. I was hoping to look at how things equate.
>
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:37:08 -0600

Ave

Ultimately, all our problems, and all our solutions, will come down to
money. I'm involved with several charities in Kansas City. The first line
of fundraising comes in the form of membership dues. Dues that are absolute,
unwavering, and increase with time. Many organizations have different levels
of membership that have graduated amounts for dues. Its my understanding
that there are no membership fees or dues here, only voluntary taxes. That
needs to change. $20.00 to $30.00 a year should not be a problem for an
organization that has set goals as high as what Nova Roma has set. I
understand some citizens could have a problem with paying that kind of
money. However, without citizens willing to pay something in that range, the
whole scheme is simply a pipe dream. It leads to wishful thinking, like
someone will donate land to an organization that cannot even collect a
minimal amount of operating capital from its own members. In the loose plan
I'm forming in my mind, thats step number one: mandatory dues or "taxes".

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?

Salve Renata,

there is no rules concerning the way the money goes to the funds. It is a
proposal made
by the Consules to the Senate. Thank you for participating to the poll. I
have to say
that the names will be kept secret.

Vale,

Scipio

--- "aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio--Hello, and thank you for your response. :)
>
> ::Nods:: Yes, figures for land and maintenance of it are impossible
> to know without knowihg where the land would be bought, etc. I guess
> what I'm interested in learning (if possible) is what percentage of
> our annual budget goes to the Land Fund and whether or not we are
> trying to put that money to work.
>
> I read from Caseo's site that he advises against trying to fund the
> Land Project primarily through taxation, as most sensible countries
> try to minimize taxation as much as they can manage. I have to agree
> with him that keeping taxes low and not depending first on them for
> the raising of land money is desirable (even though I recently wrote
> a post exhorting the payment of taxes to aid with this). But I don't
> know how profitable other fund-raising ventures are.
>
> Anyway, I did comment in the poll. Thanks for creating that!
>
> ---
> Renata Corva
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
From:	"Gnaeus Octavius Noricus" <cn.octavius.noricus@gmx.at>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:55:39 +0100

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola wrote:

<<In the loose plan I'm forming in my mind, thats step number one: mandatory dues or "taxes".>>

I wish we could do that... But general discussion a year ago has shown that Nova Roma does not want to throw non-paying citizens out.

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
Treasury Quaestor

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Closed Gens?
From:	"Caius Cornelius Varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>" <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:49:13 -0000

Salve Civibus!

Just a quick question:
Is there some way to re-open the numerous closed Gens out there?

I did a search on the archives here and didn't find anything about
this. If there is an existing thread I can go to, please let me know.

vale,
Caius Cornelius Varus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:10:20 -0800 (PST)

Salve,
There are two problems with the idea of manditory
taxes of 20 to 30 dollars. The first is if we start
tossing people who don't pay taxes out, we are likely
to see a lot of resignations from people who would
have paid taxes under the present system. We have a
lot of citizens who think it's unfair to revoke the
citizenship of people who don't pay taxes. I wish it
was otherwise, but that is the reality.

Second we are an international organization. 30
dollars isn't that much in the United States, but for
many citizens living outside the USA it is a far
higher percentage of thier income than it is for
Americans. That is the reason we instituted indexed
taxes last year.

One thing that I would like to see is a 5 tier tax
system with the first class paying the highest rate,
and the fifth class paying the lowest rate.

--- jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Ave
>
> Ultimately, all our problems, and all our solutions,
> will come down to
> money. I'm involved with several charities in
> Kansas City. The first line
> of fundraising comes in the form of membership dues.
> Dues that are absolute,
> unwavering, and increase with time. Many
> organizations have different levels
> of membership that have graduated amounts for dues.
> Its my understanding
> that there are no membership fees or dues here, only
> voluntary taxes. That
> needs to change. $20.00 to $30.00 a year should not
> be a problem for an
> organization that has set goals as high as what Nova
> Roma has set. I
> understand some citizens could have a problem with
> paying that kind of
> money. However, without citizens willing to pay
> something in that range, the
> whole scheme is simply a pipe dream. It leads to
> wishful thinking, like
> someone will donate land to an organization that
> cannot even collect a
> minimal amount of operating capital from its own
> members. In the loose plan
> I'm forming in my mind, thats step number one:
> mandatory dues or "taxes".
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio
> [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
>
>
> Salve Renata,
>
> there is no rules concerning the way the money
> goes to the funds. It is a
> proposal made
> by the Consules to the Senate. Thank you for
> participating to the poll. I
> have to say
> that the names will be kept secret.
>
> Vale,
>
> Scipio
>
> --- "aerdensrw <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>"
> <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sextus Apollonius Scipio--Hello, and thank you
> for your response. :)
> >
> > ::Nods:: Yes, figures for land and maintenance
> of it are impossible
> > to know without knowihg where the land would be
> bought, etc. I guess
> > what I'm interested in learning (if possible) is
> what percentage of
> > our annual budget goes to the Land Fund and
> whether or not we are
> > trying to put that money to work.
> >
> > I read from Caseo's site that he advises against
> trying to fund the
> > Land Project primarily through taxation, as most
> sensible countries
> > try to minimize taxation as much as they can
> manage. I have to agree
> > with him that keeping taxes low and not
> depending first on them for
> > the raising of land money is desirable (even
> though I recently wrote
> > a post exhorting the payment of taxes to aid
> with this). But I don't
> > know how profitable other fund-raising ventures
> are.
> >
> > Anyway, I did comment in the poll. Thanks for
> creating that!
> >
> > ---
> > Renata Corva
> >
> >
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Closed Gens?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:10:08 -0800

Well there isnt yet, if you want to go about it honorably (IMHO of course)....but after the Census most closed gentes will be available.

But if you really want to you can request the Praetors to intervene...though personally I do not care for that way. I would suggest to wait for the Census to be conducted which SHOULD happen in about 3 months.

I am curious what gens are you looking at?

Vale,

Sulla

----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Cornelius Varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Closed Gens?

Salve Civibus!

Just a quick question:
Is there some way to re-open the numerous closed Gens out there?

I did a search on the archives here and didn't find anything about
this. If there is an existing thread I can go to, please let me know.

vale,
Caius Cornelius Varus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Closed Gens?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:26:05 -0800

Ave,

I gotcha. <g>

Well its not the first time that I have gotten gens members because other gentes were closed. Hopefully, we (NR) would have finally found a way to resolve closed gentes....(If NR implements the laws that are on the books).

I have stated before that I wont stop anyone from leaving Cornelia to another gens....and there is an edict allowing that very thing from happening. I just have sentimental ties to the ancient Cornelians who were the most promient gens in ancient Rome. :)

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Cornelius Varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Closed Gens?

Hullo Pater...
LOL, Just possibly looking to reconcile my SCAdian persona (Caius
Livius Varus Germanicus) with my NR self. Maybe I can combine the two
somehow since the Cornelii have been pretty cool thus far.

C. Cornelius Varus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Well there isnt yet, if you want to go about it honorably (IMHO of
course)....but after the Census most closed gentes will be available.
>
> But if you really want to you can request the Praetors to
intervene...though personally I do not care for that way. I would
suggest to wait for the Census to be conducted which SHOULD happen in
about 3 months.
>
> I am curious what gens are you looking at?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla]

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Closed Gens?
From:	"Caius Cornelius Varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>" <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:20:39 -0000

Hullo Pater...
LOL, Just possibly looking to reconcile my SCAdian persona (Caius
Livius Varus Germanicus) with my NR self. Maybe I can combine the two
somehow since the Cornelii have been pretty cool thus far.

C. Cornelius Varus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Well there isnt yet, if you want to go about it honorably (IMHO of
course)....but after the Census most closed gentes will be available.
>
> But if you really want to you can request the Praetors to
intervene...though personally I do not care for that way. I would
suggest to wait for the Census to be conducted which SHOULD happen in
about 3 months.
>
> I am curious what gens are you looking at?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla]

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Closed Gens?
From:	"Caius Cornelius Varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>" <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:30:46 -0000

I still haven't decided either way. I just suddenly have the guilty
conscience ("You are SO busted") feeling all of a sudden...<g>
We'll see.

C. Cornelius Varus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> I gotcha. <g>
>
> Well its not the first time that I have gotten gens members because
other gentes were closed. Hopefully, we (NR) would have finally
found a way to resolve closed gentes....(If NR implements the laws
that are on the books).
>
> I have stated before that I wont stop anyone from leaving Cornelia
to another gens....and there is an edict allowing that very thing
from happening. I just have sentimental ties to the ancient
Cornelians who were the most promient gens in ancient Rome. :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Closed Gens?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:44:04 -0800

Dont worry about it.... :)

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Cornelius Varus <eq_germanicus@yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Closed Gens?

I still haven't decided either way. I just suddenly have the guilty
conscience ("You are SO busted") feeling all of a sudden...<g>
We'll see.

C. Cornelius Varus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> I gotcha. <g>
>
> Well its not the first time that I have gotten gens members because
other gentes were closed. Hopefully, we (NR) would have finally
found a way to resolve closed gentes....(If NR implements the laws
that are on the books).
>
> I have stated before that I wont stop anyone from leaving Cornelia
to another gens....and there is an edict allowing that very thing
from happening. I just have sentimental ties to the ancient
Cornelians who were the most promient gens in ancient Rome. :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

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