| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Thanks to all the writer's group is building up fast |
| From: |
"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:46:57 -0000 |
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Thanks to Nova Roma, in one hour I had found 12 new members of the
group, Roman Scribes, a yahoo group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RomanScribes/
for people interested in writing fiction set in ancient Rome.
So thank you all. We scribes also write novels and stories about
real characters of history who lived in ancient Rome. So far I've
had two major authors with popular published novels about ancient
Rome join to discuss writing fiction. All are welcome.
Octavia.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Spam moderation |
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| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:26:44 +0100 (CET) |
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Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
Ex Officio Praetoricio.
Following the instructions of the praetores, the scriba Decius Iunius
Silanus has spotted three spam files directed to this mailing list (at
least one of them was of pornographic nature). The following files have
been erased from the main list:
File: / Live Webcam Feeds.
File: / Free Pics in Your Email.
File: / Net Dating Service.
The address from which these three files were uploaded
( veto9iasera@yahoo.com ) has been erased from this list. Should the
owner of this address have any complaint about this action, he is
invited to contact the praetores at:
salixastur@yahoo.es
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or he can contact the tribuni plebis at:
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] a question to Pontiffex Maximus |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:36:05 -0300 |
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Ex Officio Tribuni Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Salvete omnes.
Regarding the Edictum Aedilicium V de Ludorum Dignitate [Dignitasof the Ludi] of the Curules aediles, I think that the Ludi have not the merits to be considered sancrosancts. But since it is a religious matter, I would like to kindly ask to honorable Pontifex Maximus for advice.
Thank you in advance.
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus [Investigations] |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:24:46 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> Actually the Republic did have "Secrect Police" for
> some brief periods in it's decline. They were quite
> active under the Dictator L. Cornelius Sulla Felix and
> the Second Triumvirate when proscriptions were being
> enforced. Beyond that they were a feature of the
> Imperial era.
> L. Sicinius Drusus
Salve,
None of which being a segment of Roman history that we'd do well to
emulate.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] I have lost something |
| From: |
"Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>" <optio456@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 04:10:14 -0000 |
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Salvete,
Going through my emails I have realised that I accidentally deleted
that email from Nova Roma that had all my gens information and my
roman name...can anyone help?
Thanks,
Anthony
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The Eagle |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:07:26 -0500 |
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Salve Romans !
The Eagle is YOUR newsletter!!!
and a great multitude of your fellow Romans toil for Hours, if not for days to bring
you
all the news that will fit.
So please take a moment out of your busy day a buy your self a subscription to the EAGLE !!! YOUR EAGLE!!!!!
Send $20.00 to Nova Roma Eagle
5496 Ross Court
New Market, Maryland 21774
We are also selling mugs and mouse pads with the NR flag on them to help pay for the Eagle.
Mugs are $ 7.00 plus $1.50 p/h Same address as above
Mouse pads are $15.00 plus 1.5p/h Same address as above
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
P.S. the mugs and pads will be ordered when we have enough orders to have them made and so NR does not have to put out money in the "hope" of getting it back.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The Eagle and The Legacy of Rome |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:42:19 -0500 |
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Salve Romans
I would like to ask the staff of the Eagle and any other interested citizens for written contributions to a future special Eagle on the topic of
The Legacy of Rome
What do we in the modern world owe to Rome?
This question can be answered in any manner of your choosing and is not limited in any way , but these fields might want to be covered.
Overall Legacy from Rome
Art
Architecture
History
Drama
Law and Justice
Political Science
Language
Literature
Poetry
Science
Military Affairs
The Legacy as it affects your Modern Nation
or anything else you care to write on. Send me a proposal ASAP
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Summer Camp? |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 02:11:54 -0500 |
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Salve Romans
In an effort to put some flesh on the ideal of a summer camp I would like ask for volunteers to start a NR summer camp working group. This group would work to pull some information together and write a plan of action.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
PS are there any citizens that live in the Rome, NY area of New York State?
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Statement on Aedilian Edicts |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:15:36 -0000 |
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Salvete Cives,
Much concern has been raised by the recent edicts issued by the
Curule Aediles. The possibility has been raised that some of the
edicts could interfere with praetorian list moderation, or create a
secret police force to investigate Nova Romans.
The Praetors and their staffs are investigating the edicts and their
ramifications on Nova Roma, and are in discussion with the Aediles
regarding these issues.
Further discussion and input on these topics by the citizenry is of
course welcome.
In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Praetor
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: edicts |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:41:49 -0000 |
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Tribuna Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina writes:
> Ok, I've just finished reading through all of the replies and
> now I see that you meant your edicts only to apply in the
> marketplace.
In the marketplaces of Nova Roma, yes. That, of course, includes
web based commerce which uses NR as a source of customers.
> If that is what you meant, then I'd like to suggest that
> Marinus as an English speaker amend the edicts to make it clear.
I appreciate your confidence in my clarity. As you've probably
guessed, these edicta were iterated between FAC, his Quaestor,
and myself several times. They were published earlier this
weekend because we felt that time was slipping away from us
to get this done. Last year's Aedilean edicta must be either
continued or replaced within, I think, six weeks of our assumption
of office. That limit was upon us.
> In their present state, parts of the 4 edicts make
> it sound as if you 2 gentlemen want to have your own secret
> detectives and become a police force ready to punish the citizenry
> at a moments notice.
With, no doubt, a Tarpean Rock from which we could toss our
poor miscreants after we'd tortured them for a while in the Carcer.
Of course, if we really had such wicked intent, I doubt we'd have
published edicta about it. The idea is that if we're to be able
to look into complaints from citizens who buy stuff from NR sponsored
merchants, we have to be able to make private and discreet inquiries.
As there are only two of us, we need assistants.
> I'm glad this isn't what you intend because that certainly sounds
> unconstitutional to me!
Well sure! Having an official goon squad would be alarming even
if we dressed them up in red and called them lictors. But we'd
also be naive if we weren't prepared to carry out our duties to
the people.
> As far as the maketplace goes and the Ludi go, that is certainly
> your jurisdiction! But since there is no real marketplace
If by that you mean there's no single physical location called
"Nova Roma marketplace" you're correct. But we do have several
commercial activities doing business through and with Nova Roma.
> and a very slight
But we hope to see it grow, and providing the people with the
guarantee of magesterial oversight answers concerns about folks
being cheated in transactions.
> amount of commerce going on in the name of Nova Roma, I still
> have my doubts as to whether such strict rules are necessary
> to govern it.
Perhaps they're not. But I'd rather that we be proactive in the
way we provide protections for our citizens rather than waiting for
a case to occur and then finding ourselves hamstrung by a lack of
authority and the sense of frustration which has been a problem for
other magistrates in the past.
> And I think that you made so many rules to the Ludi that you'll
> scare/have scared everyone away.
You may recall that last year during the Ludi Romani we had
a particularly nasty exchange here. I don't want to scare
anybody away, but I do want to be able to conduct Ludi with
the same authority enjoyed by Curule Aediles in antiquity.
> Looking forward to your response,
The bottom line is that Caesar and I will definitely be rewriting
some of what's in the four edicta he published early Saturday.
I think that you can expect to see a partial retraction from him
of the paragraphs dealing with the investigators sometime later
today.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum Aedilicium |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:49:55 -0000 |
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Lucius Cornelius Sulla writes:
> Ave Aedile Gn. Equitius,
Ave consular. Thank you for commenting.
> I understand your comments, but I certainly hope that either the
> Praetors or the Consuls excerise their veto in regards to these
> uncomplete and precedent setting edicts.
I don't think it'll come to that. As you're no doubt aware,
there's a lot of off-list discussion going on, and some portions
of the edicta are going to be withdrawn and rewritten.
In the longer term, I intend to work with the Praetors and the
Consuls to encode the authority of the Curule Aediles more
fully into our laws.
[...]
> Respectfully,
Thank you.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] NO reason to join the GREENs |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:10:23 +0000 (GMT) |
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Salvete!
RUSSATA RUSSATA RUSSATA RUSSATA
To end the numerous but not very powerful Greens,
JOIN FACTIO RUSSATA
Russata welcomes all new drivers, just send me an
email if you want to race for Russata:
consulromanus @ yahoo.com
RUSSATA WILL BEAT ALL OPPOSITION
(especially the Green opposition)
--- "M. Octavius Solaris"
<scorpioinvictus@hotmail.com> wrote: > Salvete Romani!
> Romans! Will we tolerate this arrogance? Will we
> helplessy watch how the Greens win by sheer force
> and numbers rather than strategy and tactics? Will
> we stand by and see all the excitement drained from
> the circus by a massive moloch, corrupted in spirit
> and excessive in size?
>
> Let's make a clean start: it is time to rise up
> against the tyranny of the Greens. Who is with us?
RUSSATA FOREVER!
Valete bene
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus [Investigations] |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:30:07 +0000 (GMT) |
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Salve Franciscus Apulus Caesar,
With respect, it is not the results of the
investigation that is my concern, but rather the
process.
Anyway, I see from the posts on the main list this
morning that things have moved on and the edicts are
to be reviewed, so at this juncture it is probably
best if we agree to disagree.
Vale
Decimus Iunius Silanus.
Salve Decimus Iunius Silanus,
I don't agree with you, your comments to my answers
show you aren't
reading their and my edicta and I'm sad for this.
As I have said, the results of the Investigationis
will be archives
in a web data base. The results will be open and
accountable to teh
follow Istitutions and Magistrates:
- Senate
- Consuls
- Prateors
- Curulis Aedilis
I thing this Istitutions and Magistrates rapresent
Nova Roma and the
population.
How I can abuse to the job of the Investigatores if
the results are
open to the higher Offices of teh Res Publica? Do you
not thing this
Offices will check if I have abused?
Please, explain me.
Vale
F. Apulsu Caesar
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Decimus Iunius
Silanus"
<danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:
> Salve Francisce Apule, Curule Aedile.
>
> I can assure you that I read your edicts, most
thoroughly. I should
not venture to voice my concerns had I not done so.
You are
implementing secret investigative procedures with
little or no
accountability to the senate or people of Nova Roma. I
believe that
it is inappropriate that the accountability trail of
such a secretive
process ends with the Curule Aediles. You are
instituting a system
that is most certainly open to abuse.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Travel to Lugdunum and Lusitania |
| From: |
"alexprobus1 <alexprobus1@hotmail.com>" <alexprobus1@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:31:01 -0000 |
|
Salvete Qvirites,
I would like to announce that I shall travel on business to Lugdunum
in Gallia on February 19 to 23. I shall be accomodated in the hotel
Elisee, tel. 78 42 03 15 and will appreciate to meet with Lugdunian
Romans if any available there. Generally, I am leaving Lugdunum on 23
February early morning. My schedule there is busy on day houres of 20
and 21, but the rest of time I am available.
Another trip I shall have on February 26 to March 2 to Lisabon in
Lusitania. I shall be accomodated in hotel Vila da Gale-Opera /tel
No: 21/360 54 00/ and will be busy just on day hours of 27 and
morning of 28 February. I am leaving on early morning of March the
2nd.
Looking forward for meeting some you eye to eye :-)
Bene valete
Alexander Probus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus [Investigations] |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:03:09 -0800 |
|
Unless your the Curule Aediles that is.
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus [Investigations]
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> Actually the Republic did have "Secrect Police" for
> some brief periods in it's decline. They were quite
> active under the Dictator L. Cornelius Sulla Felix and
> the Second Triumvirate when proscriptions were being
> enforced. Beyond that they were a feature of the
> Imperial era.
> L. Sicinius Drusus
Salve,
None of which being a segment of Roman history that we'd do well to
emulate.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] I have lost something |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:04:06 -0800 |
|
Ave,
Email the Censors @ censors@novaroma.org. They will have your information for you.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 8:10 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] I have lost something
Salvete,
Going through my emails I have realised that I accidentally deleted
that email from Nova Roma that had all my gens information and my
roman name...can anyone help?
Thanks,
Anthony
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:27:37 -0600 |
|
Ave Scipio
Thanks for your comments.
I would be curious to know what people are exmpt from income tax in France.
Are they exempt from sales tax? Gas tax? Estate tax? Surely France is not a
tax free society. I lived in Rome for 3 months, and the gas tax there was
crushing, and that was in 1991.
Our community should be no different. We need a plan to raise money, and we
need to tax. I think there is some precedence for it in Roman Repuplican
Society. This opposition to even the minimal amount of taxation is
discouraging. Why? Because it evidences a serious lack of commitment on
behalf of our citizenry. What were we Romans ever able to accomplish without
money? Did roads, temples, legions, warships etc just materialize from
nowhere? I've encountered some dedicated sociopathic cheapskates in my
charitable work, but I have never been involved with a group that has set
such lofty goals combined with the complete unwillingness to finance them as
Nova Roma. You know, "No va" means "no go" in Spanish. NoGo Roma.
If some serious steps aren't made towards raising money, and there is no
major attitudinal shift in our leaders in creating some fundraising ideas, I
see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
Vale
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:38 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
Salve Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,
I agree with you when you say that increasing the membership would be a
solution. But in
the present state of NR, we will face a tremendous problem. In much
macronations, the
taxes are lowered to such an extent that for exemple, in France, a lot of
people are
exempt of any income tax. What would be then our credibility to ask $30 to
our citizens?
My point of view is that we should first of all gain some recognition from
the
macroworld.
Without it, we are in no position to ask for more taxes or even to hope
for any donation.
Recognition is the main goal of the platform of Honored Consul Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus.
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Consular Quaestor
> Ultimately, all our problems, and all our solutions, will come down to
> money. I'm involved with several charities in Kansas City. The first
line
> of fundraising comes in the form of membership dues. Dues that are
absolute,
> unwavering, and increase with time. Many organizations have different
levels
> of membership that have graduated amounts for dues. Its my understanding
> that there are no membership fees or dues here, only voluntary taxes.
That
> needs to change. $20.00 to $30.00 a year should not be a problem for an
> organization that has set goals as high as what Nova Roma has set.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:09:33 -0500 |
|
Salve Romans
If some people are exempt from MACRO taxes then they have the money to pay $12 to Nova Roma!!! If not they have bigger problems.
Nova Roma should impose a MANDATORY tax with a one year notice. If at the end of that time a person CHOOSES not to pay the tax, they are placed in an inactive list from where they can watch what goes on but can not participate in the debates on the ML. No organization can go forever without dues paying members. The intro on the main web site should state that a person gets to join for free but after one year, in order to continue the MUST pay the $12. In order to make things easier Nova Roma Should open a second banking account in Europe and when justified in other places as well.
The time has come to end the debate on taxes and JUST DO IT.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the USA or the EU
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Ave Scipio
Thanks for your comments.
I would be curious to know what people are exmpt from income tax in France.
Are they exempt from sales tax? Gas tax? Estate tax? Surely France is not a
tax free society. I lived in Rome for 3 months, and the gas tax there was
crushing, and that was in 1991.
Our community should be no different. We need a plan to raise money, and we
need to tax. I think there is some precedence for it in Roman Repuplican
Society. This opposition to even the minimal amount of taxation is
discouraging. Why? Because it evidences a serious lack of commitment on
behalf of our citizenry. What were we Romans ever able to accomplish without
money? Did roads, temples, legions, warships etc just materialize from
nowhere? I've encountered some dedicated sociopathic cheapskates in my
charitable work, but I have never been involved with a group that has set
such lofty goals combined with the complete unwillingness to finance them as
Nova Roma. You know, "No va" means "no go" in Spanish. NoGo Roma.
If some serious steps aren't made towards raising money, and there is no
major attitudinal shift in our leaders in creating some fundraising ideas, I
see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
Vale
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:38 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
Salve Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,
I agree with you when you say that increasing the membership would be a
solution. But in
the present state of NR, we will face a tremendous problem. In much
macronations, the
taxes are lowered to such an extent that for exemple, in France, a lot of
people are
exempt of any income tax. What would be then our credibility to ask $30 to
our citizens?
My point of view is that we should first of all gain some recognition from
the
macroworld.
Without it, we are in no position to ask for more taxes or even to hope
for any donation.
Recognition is the main goal of the platform of Honored Consul Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus.
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Consular Quaestor
> Ultimately, all our problems, and all our solutions, will come down to
> money. I'm involved with several charities in Kansas City. The first
line
> of fundraising comes in the form of membership dues. Dues that are
absolute,
> unwavering, and increase with time. Many organizations have different
levels
> of membership that have graduated amounts for dues. Its my understanding
> that there are no membership fees or dues here, only voluntary taxes.
That
> needs to change. $20.00 to $30.00 a year should not be a problem for an
> organization that has set goals as high as what Nova Roma has set.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:12:50 -0800 |
|
Ave,
I have some grant writing experience.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Salve Romans
If some people are exempt from MACRO taxes then they have the money to pay $12 to Nova Roma!!! If not they have bigger problems.
Nova Roma should impose a MANDATORY tax with a one year notice. If at the end of that time a person CHOOSES not to pay the tax, they are placed in an inactive list from where they can watch what goes on but can not participate in the debates on the ML. No organization can go forever without dues paying members. The intro on the main web site should state that a person gets to join for free but after one year, in order to continue the MUST pay the $12. In order to make things easier Nova Roma Should open a second banking account in Europe and when justified in other places as well.
The time has come to end the debate on taxes and JUST DO IT.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the USA or the EU
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Ave Scipio
Thanks for your comments.
I would be curious to know what people are exmpt from income tax in France.
Are they exempt from sales tax? Gas tax? Estate tax? Surely France is not a
tax free society. I lived in Rome for 3 months, and the gas tax there was
crushing, and that was in 1991.
Our community should be no different. We need a plan to raise money, and we
need to tax. I think there is some precedence for it in Roman Repuplican
Society. This opposition to even the minimal amount of taxation is
discouraging. Why? Because it evidences a serious lack of commitment on
behalf of our citizenry. What were we Romans ever able to accomplish without
money? Did roads, temples, legions, warships etc just materialize from
nowhere? I've encountered some dedicated sociopathic cheapskates in my
charitable work, but I have never been involved with a group that has set
such lofty goals combined with the complete unwillingness to finance them as
Nova Roma. You know, "No va" means "no go" in Spanish. NoGo Roma.
If some serious steps aren't made towards raising money, and there is no
major attitudinal shift in our leaders in creating some fundraising ideas, I
see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
Vale
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:38 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
Salve Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,
I agree with you when you say that increasing the membership would be a
solution. But in
the present state of NR, we will face a tremendous problem. In much
macronations, the
taxes are lowered to such an extent that for exemple, in France, a lot of
people are
exempt of any income tax. What would be then our credibility to ask $30 to
our citizens?
My point of view is that we should first of all gain some recognition from
the
macroworld.
Without it, we are in no position to ask for more taxes or even to hope
for any donation.
Recognition is the main goal of the platform of Honored Consul Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus.
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Consular Quaestor
> Ultimately, all our problems, and all our solutions, will come down to
> money. I'm involved with several charities in Kansas City. The first
line
> of fundraising comes in the form of membership dues. Dues that are
absolute,
> unwavering, and increase with time. Many organizations have different
levels
> of membership that have graduated amounts for dues. Its my understanding
> that there are no membership fees or dues here, only voluntary taxes.
That
> needs to change. $20.00 to $30.00 a year should not be a problem for an
> organization that has set goals as high as what Nova Roma has set.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:21:17 -0500 |
|
Salve Senator that is good to know. Has NR look at the thousands of web sites for grand making organizations ?
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:18 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Ave,
I have some grant writing experience.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Salve Romans
If some people are exempt from MACRO taxes then they have the money to pay $12 to Nova Roma!!! If not they have bigger problems.
Nova Roma should impose a MANDATORY tax with a one year notice. If at the end of that time a person CHOOSES not to pay the tax, they are placed in an inactive list from where they can watch what goes on but can not participate in the debates on the ML. No organization can go forever without dues paying members. The intro on the main web site should state that a person gets to join for free but after one year, in order to continue the MUST pay the $12. In order to make things easier Nova Roma Should open a second banking account in Europe and when justified in other places as well.
The time has come to end the debate on taxes and JUST DO IT.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the USA or the EU
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Ave Scipio
Thanks for your comments.
I would be curious to know what people are exmpt from income tax in France.
Are they exempt from sales tax? Gas tax? Estate tax? Surely France is not a
tax free society. I lived in Rome for 3 months, and the gas tax there was
crushing, and that was in 1991.
Our community should be no different. We need a plan to raise money, and we
need to tax. I think there is some precedence for it in Roman Repuplican
Society. This opposition to even the minimal amount of taxation is
discouraging. Why? Because it evidences a serious lack of commitment on
behalf of our citizenry. What were we Romans ever able to accomplish without
money? Did roads, temples, legions, warships etc just materialize from
nowhere? I've encountered some dedicated sociopathic cheapskates in my
charitable work, but I have never been involved with a group that has set
such lofty goals combined with the complete unwillingness to finance them as
Nova Roma. You know, "No va" means "no go" in Spanish. NoGo Roma.
If some serious steps aren't made towards raising money, and there is no
major attitudinal shift in our leaders in creating some fundraising ideas, I
see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
Vale
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:38 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
Salve Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,
I agree with you when you say that increasing the membership would be a
solution. But in
the present state of NR, we will face a tremendous problem. In much
macronations, the
taxes are lowered to such an extent that for exemple, in France, a lot of
people are
exempt of any income tax. What would be then our credibility to ask $30 to
our citizens?
My point of view is that we should first of all gain some recognition from
the
macroworld.
Without it, we are in no position to ask for more taxes or even to hope
for any donation.
Recognition is the main goal of the platform of Honored Consul Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus.
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Consular Quaestor
> Ultimately, all our problems, and all our solutions, will come down to
> money. I'm involved with several charities in Kansas City. The first
line
> of fundraising comes in the form of membership dues. Dues that are
absolute,
> unwavering, and increase with time. Many organizations have different
levels
> of membership that have graduated amounts for dues. Its my understanding
> that there are no membership fees or dues here, only voluntary taxes.
That
> needs to change. $20.00 to $30.00 a year should not be a problem for an
> organization that has set goals as high as what Nova Roma has set.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:27:02 -0800 |
|
In regards to that answer, I do not have an answer to that. I recall that Q. Fabius was working on a couple of projects, one that was rejected if I recall correctly because we are not a true reconstructionist project. His other project, I do not recall the status.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Salve Senator that is good to know. Has NR look at the thousands of web sites for grand making organizations ?
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:18 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Ave,
I have some grant writing experience.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Salve Romans
If some people are exempt from MACRO taxes then they have the money to pay $12 to Nova Roma!!! If not they have bigger problems.
Nova Roma should impose a MANDATORY tax with a one year notice. If at the end of that time a person CHOOSES not to pay the tax, they are placed in an inactive list from where they can watch what goes on but can not participate in the debates on the ML. No organization can go forever without dues paying members. The intro on the main web site should state that a person gets to join for free but after one year, in order to continue the MUST pay the $12. In order to make things easier Nova Roma Should open a second banking account in Europe and when justified in other places as well.
The time has come to end the debate on taxes and JUST DO IT.
Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the USA or the EU
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
Ave Scipio
Thanks for your comments.
I would be curious to know what people are exmpt from income tax in France.
Are they exempt from sales tax? Gas tax? Estate tax? Surely France is not a
tax free society. I lived in Rome for 3 months, and the gas tax there was
crushing, and that was in 1991.
Our community should be no different. We need a plan to raise money, and we
need to tax. I think there is some precedence for it in Roman Repuplican
Society. This opposition to even the minimal amount of taxation is
discouraging. Why? Because it evidences a serious lack of commitment on
behalf of our citizenry. What were we Romans ever able to accomplish without
money? Did roads, temples, legions, warships etc just materialize from
nowhere? I've encountered some dedicated sociopathic cheapskates in my
charitable work, but I have never been involved with a group that has set
such lofty goals combined with the complete unwillingness to finance them as
Nova Roma. You know, "No va" means "no go" in Spanish. NoGo Roma.
If some serious steps aren't made towards raising money, and there is no
major attitudinal shift in our leaders in creating some fundraising ideas, I
see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
Vale
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:38 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo Vadis?
Salve Gaius Basilicatus Agricola,
I agree with you when you say that increasing the membership would be a
solution. But in
the present state of NR, we will face a tremendous problem. In much
macronations, the
taxes are lowered to such an extent that for exemple, in France, a lot of
people are
exempt of any income tax. What would be then our credibility to ask $30 to
our citizens?
My point of view is that we should first of all gain some recognition from
the
macroworld.
Without it, we are in no position to ask for more taxes or even to hope
for any donation.
Recognition is the main goal of the platform of Honored Consul Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus.
Vale,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Consular Quaestor
> Ultimately, all our problems, and all our solutions, will come down to
> money. I'm involved with several charities in Kansas City. The first
line
> of fundraising comes in the form of membership dues. Dues that are
absolute,
> unwavering, and increase with time. Many organizations have different
levels
> of membership that have graduated amounts for dues. Its my understanding
> that there are no membership fees or dues here, only voluntary taxes.
That
> needs to change. $20.00 to $30.00 a year should not be a problem for an
> organization that has set goals as high as what Nova Roma has set.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Intercessio |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:53:33 -0300 |
|
Ex officio Tribuni plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Omnibus S.P.D.
Due to the controversy aroused by the . Edictum Aedilicium V de Ludorum Dignitate , Edictum Aedilicium VII de Actionibus Aediliciis , and the Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus , I do hereby issue intercessio against them.
Scribebam Bonariae a.d. XIII Kal. Mar. MMDCCLVI A.V.C. (A.D. 2003)
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Intercessio |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:00:56 -0800 |
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Avete Tribune Lucius Pompeius et Omnes,
Thank you very much for your prompt action and response.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
To: Tribunes@yahoogroups.com ; NovaRoma-Announce ; Nova Roma
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Intercessio
Ex officio Tribuni plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Omnibus S.P.D.
Due to the controversy aroused by the . Edictum Aedilicium V de Ludorum Dignitate , Edictum Aedilicium VII de Actionibus Aediliciis , and the Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus , I do hereby issue intercessio against them.
Scribebam Bonariae a.d. XIII Kal. Mar. MMDCCLVI A.V.C. (A.D. 2003)
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:50:36 +0000 (GMT) |
|
A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.
You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?
With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'
The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.
Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.
It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.
Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,
Cordus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Japenese Heraldry |
| From: |
"R. McCullough" <wiscodizard@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:06:11 -0600 |
|
Salve,
Though I didn't track down any info about your first question on the word "regina" I can contribute to the second inquiry.
Japanese heraldry is quite different from European heraldry (obviously). Firstly, noble class names. Members of the noble class in period Japan had three names, the family name, the yobina, and the nanori. The nanori was your given name; the yobina a second given name used by those intimate with you. Everyone else would address you by your nanori and/or family name.
As for the heraldric symbol or "ka-mon" ("ka" meaning family with tracable roots and "mon" meaning crest or emblem) they were usually composed of a single charge or a group of identical charges, always arranged in radial symmetry if there were three or more charges. This was usually surrounded by a ring. Also, originally kamon were not designed with specific color in mind, though in later periods I believe it came into consideration. At first it was merely a matter of having differentiation between dark and light.
Originally the mon was concieved for use by courtiers, but latter (circa 13th century I think) came into use as an identifier during battle. It then was adopted by the samurai and the leaders, the Daimyo.
I'm afraid I don't know of any texts about the subject, though I'm sure there are some lurking around out there. Most of this is dredged up from personal knowledge.
Good luck finding more information!
----- Original Message -----
From: Titus Arminius Genialis
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:50 PM
To: NR Main List
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Regina
Salvete omnes!
Please could anyone tell me how and when the word "regina" started to be
used as a female name?
Besides, does anyone here know something about Japanese surnames and
heraldry?
Valete.
________________________________________
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Accensus Junior Petitor Cohortis Consulis CFQ
Scriba Curatoris Differum
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Intercessio |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:43:13 +0100 |
|
Ex officio Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina
Salvete citizens of Nova Roma,
In support of the intercessio pronounced by Tribunus Plebis Lucius Pompeius
Octavianus, by the authority vested in me by paragraph IV.A.7.a. of the
Constitution and in accordance with the procedures set forth therein, I
hereby pronounce intercessio against the following edicta:
Edictum Aedilicium V de Ludorum Dignitate,
Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus,
& Edictum Aedilicium VII de Actionibus Aediliciis
I do believe that our honorable Aediles Curules, whom I have the utmost
admiration and respect for, deserve an explanation of my actions. Please
find my comments below:
Edictum Aedilicium V : According to IV.A.4.a-e of the Constitution**, it is
neither within the jurisdiction of the Curule Aediles to declare the Ludi
sacrosanct, nor to exact punishment in the Forum should the Ludi in their
opinion be disturbed by a citizen or by a citizen having what in their
opinion is a harsh discussion. List moderation is under the jurisdiction of
our Praetores.
Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus,
The Curule Aediles have explained that these investigations refer only to
the marketplace. This is not stated in the Edict and left as is, this Edict
sets a dangerous precedent in Nova Roma of unilateral investigations and
secret detectives. Again, according to IV.A.4.a-e of the Constitution**
investigating citizens is not within the jurisdiction of the whereas 'to see
to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings, to ensure
order at public religious events, to see to the maintenance of any real
public facilities that the State should acquire' is.
Edictum Aedilicium VII de Actionibus Aediliciis
Again referring to IV.A.4.a-e of the Constitution**, I do not believe that
list moderation and penalizing citizens for inappropriate behavior in one of
our Forums are under the jurisdiction of the Curule Aediles. This is within
the powers of the Praetores.
I am happy that these Edicts will be rewritten and presented to us again.
The Tribunes have not waited for the promised rewrite and have interceded
before the 3 day time limit due to the possible misuse of power that these
edicts would ensure in the event that they became law.
I do realize that these edicts were very similar to those presented by Caeso
Fabius Quintillianus last year. That said, I will be honest in saying that
if I had the power then, I would have vetoed them last year as well, again
hoping for something that sounds a bit less militant.
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis
**IV.A.4.a-e of the Constitution
Aediles Curules (Curule Aedile). Two curule aediles shall be elected by the
comitia populi tributa to serve a term lasting one-year. They shall have the
following honors, powers, and obligations:
To hold Imperium;
To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to the conduct of public
games and other festivals and gatherings, to ensure order at public
religious events, to see to the maintenance of any real public facilities
that the State should acquire, and to administer the law (such edicts being
binding upon themselves as well as others);
To pronounce intercessio against another aedile (curule or plebeian) or
magistrate of lesser authority;
To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks,
as he shall see fit.
To maintain the venues where the Ordo Equester are engaged in commerce,
within Nova Roma property. It is the responsibility of the Curule Aediles to
report any changes of the Ordo Equaestor to the Censors.
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Intercessio |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:59:56 EST |
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In a message dated 2/17/03 9:56:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
danielovi@ciudad.com.ar writes:
> I do hereby issue intercessio against them.
>
Very well. Do the other Tribunes concur?
Q. Fabius Maximus
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[Nova-Roma] $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:56:41 +0100 |
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Salve A. Apollonius Cordus ,
<Nova Roma has no precedent for setting up special committees or other
bodies to look
<into particular issues and come back with their recommendations - it's up
to the initiative of private <individuals or of magistrates.
What you say is very true. Any citizen can take the initiative in forming a
plan, starting a new email list in order to discuss it and then presenting
it to the Senate and citizenship in order for it to be discussed & possibly
implemented. Magistrates are not the only ones who have to come up with all
of the ideas! The ideas of each and every citizen are valuable, no matter
how long they have been with Nova Roma. As for me, I don't have a plan.... I
am leaving that in the very able hands of our Consuls, the Praetores and the
Senate, all of whom who have guided Nova Roma forward during her short
existence.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis? |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:58:36 EST |
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In a message dated 2/17/03 9:28:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
alexious@earthlink.net writes:
> His other project, I do not recall the status.
>
>
Still refining it. I will have something to report to the senate in several
months.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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Re: [Nova-Roma] My Oath to Praetor D. Iunius Palladius in the Forum |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:26:19 EST |
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My oath as scribus
> I, Quintus Fabius Maximus, do hereby solemnly swear to
> uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
> interests of Praetor Decius Iunius Palladius while I hold this
> office, except when such an action would be illegal or
> unconstitutional to the government of Nova Roma.
>
> I, Quintus Fabius Maximus, swear to fulfill the
> obligations and Responsibilities of the office of
Scriba Praetoris to > the best of my
> abilities while following the Roman virtues and
> ideals.
>
> I, Quintus Fabius Maximus, swear to give faithful
> service and advice to my magistrate,
> and not to divulge any information discussed in
> confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
> magistrate and may be dismissed for failure to give service.
>
> On my honor as Proconsul of CAL and Senator of Nova Roma, and in the
> presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will
> I do accept the position of Scriba Praetoris with all the privileges,
> obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereof.
>
(signed)
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Concerning the Aediles Edicta |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:15:56 EST |
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Salvete.
After reading the Edicta carefully, I have come to the conclusion they are
unconstitutional in several sections, and must be rewritten. Since I started
writing this I understand that the have been vetoed by a Tribune, supported
by another, Diana Moravia.
I believe that part of the problem with these Edicta is the non English into
English translation. If the Aedile would send me his original text in
Italiano I would be glad to
look it over and advise him in the correct phrasing in English so this
doesn't happen again.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] intercessio2 |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:31:23 +0100 |
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Salve Q. Fabius Maximus
<Very well. Do the other Tribunes concur?
You must have sent your email before you saw my posting.
You know this but our newer citizens may not:
At the moment, we only have 3 Tribunes. Tribune Marcus Marcius Rex has not
replied to us as yet.
IV.A.7.a.i.3. of the Constitution states that the majority of the Tribunes
must be in agreement in order for a veto to be upheld. Therefore, 2 Tribunes
being the majority and both of us being in agreement, the intercessio that
my colleague Lucius Pompeius Octavianus and I have pronounced will be
upheld.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus?Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] An Agreement Between Aediles and Praetores |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:48:56 -0000 |
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Salvete Quirites.
We (the praetores) have spent the last couple of days talking with
the aediles about their latest edicta. At the same time at which the
tribuni plebis issued their intercessio, we had reached an agreement.
We had agreed to do the following:
1.- The aediles would withdraw their latest four edicta in their
current form. Instead of those, they would re-issue last year's
aedilician edicta. This is now unnecessary, given that the tribuni
plebis have issued an intercessio.
2.- The praetores agree to help the aediles to write a *legislative
draft* that brings the aedilitas closer to its historical
counterpart. A consensum draft will then be presented to the consules
and the tribuni plebis, who will, if such is their will, present it
to the People through a vote on the Comitia.
3.- The aediles and the praetores will define a strict timeline to
draft this legislative proposal. In this way, we will ensure that a
timely solution is *reached*.
4.- Our objective will be to increase the meaning of the aedilician
office, always within the limits set by the Constitution of Nova Roma
and the Mos Maiorum.
By involving the Praetores in the drafting of such a law, the limits
between the functions of the aediles and the praetores will be agreed
upon once and for all. By presenting the legislative proposal through
the tribuni plebis and the consules, we will ensure that our
citizens' rights will be enforced.
I would like to thank our two aediles curules, Apulus Caesar and
Equitius Marinus, for their good will and the efforts they have made
to reach a compromise. It is always a hard think to accept the
intervention of others into your own affairs; they have behaved like
true Romans in this aspect during our dealings.
In a few weeks time, you, Quirites, will have the final word on the
future of the aedilician office.
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] intercessio3 |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:49:59 -0000 |
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Diana Moravia Aventina writes:
> At the moment, we only have 3 Tribunes. Tribune Marcus Marcius
> Rex has not replied to us as yet.
> IV.A.7.a.i.3. of the Constitution states that the majority of
> the Tribunes must be in agreement in order for a veto to be
> upheld. Therefore, 2 Tribunes being the majority and both of
> us being in agreement, the intercessio that my colleague Lucius
> Pompeius Octavianus and I have pronounced will be upheld.
And I'm going to make it even easier for you Diana.
Some number of hours ago, in private e-mail conversations among
several other concerned parties, I offered to withdraw my
endorsement and to impose my own intercessio against my Curule
Aedilean colleague. I'll make it official in just a moment.
I apologise to you and your Tribunician colleague for having to
go to this length. I respect your concern for the matters at
hand, and I give you my word right now that whatever we intend
to offer next we will send you in advance for vetting.
--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Intercessio Aedilis Curalis |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:58:28 -0000 |
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Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus SPD:
I hereby withdraw my endorsement from and impose my Curule Aedilean
intercession against:
Edictum Aedilicium IV de Iusta Mercatura [Fair Business Practices]
15th February, 2756
Edictum Aedilicium V de Ludorum Dignitate [Dignitasof the Ludi]
15th February, 2756
Edictum Aedilicium VI de Investigationibus [Investigations]
15th February, 2756
Edictum Aedilicium VII de Actionibus Aediliciis [Aedilian Actions]
15th February, 2756
All four of these edicta are withdrawn.
My intercessio is imposed in accordance with the Constitution of
Nova Roma, paragraph IV.A.4.c.
--
ex officio
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
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[Nova-Roma] Re: An Agreement Between Aediles and Praetores |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:06:25 -0000 |
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Gnaeus Salix Astur writes:
> We (the praetores) have spent the last couple of days talking with
> the aediles about their latest edicta. At the same time at which the
> tribuni plebis issued their intercessio, we had reached an
> agreement.
[Text of agreement snipped]
I am fully committed to the agreement that the Praetors and I
made earlier this afternoon. I expect that once my Curule
Aedilean colleague can be reached that he will agree to it
as well.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An Agreement Between Aediles and Praetores |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:10:40 -0800 |
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Ave,
That is good news. I hope the new edicts will not include temples that dont exist and secret police forces. I hope the edicts will be properly defined and objective with clear and concise language that will be enforceable without prejudice.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: An Agreement Between Aediles and Praetores
Gnaeus Salix Astur writes:
> We (the praetores) have spent the last couple of days talking with
> the aediles about their latest edicta. At the same time at which the
> tribuni plebis issued their intercessio, we had reached an
> agreement.
[Text of agreement snipped]
I am fully committed to the agreement that the Praetors and I
made earlier this afternoon. I expect that once my Curule
Aedilean colleague can be reached that he will agree to it
as well.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] (unknown) |
| From: |
"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:50:56 -0000 |
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My short stories about Cleopatra's daughter by Marc Antony,
Cleopatra Selene, will soon be exapanded into a novel and audio play
as soon as I complete the present novel on private eye Petronious,
the ransomer. But here's some facts that were never part of
Hollywood that would make an interesting script. Most people have
seen or read about Cleopatra's son from Julius Caesar, Caesarion.
The little boy was hunted down by Octavius shortly after the demise
of Cleopatra and Marc Antony, and before her slaves could get him on
the galley bound for India, he was done away with so there would be
no son of Caesar to claim his Roman heritage.....
But everybody overlooked Cleopatra's baby girl, as girls weren't
written much into history. So here's the story, in case writers want
to have a field day with this warrior woman of the Sahara. Soon
after Marc Antony's and Cleopatra's death, Octavius hunted all her
children, but he favored the daughters and did away with the boy.
Little was known about the young daughter Cleopatra had with Marc
Antony, as he wasn't an heir in line for the power that be in Rome.
So, the little girl, Cleopatra Selene, daughter of Cleopatra and
Antony, was hurried away to Africa where she was married in
childhood to an African king. The king's name was Juba II of
Numidia. Now my present novel focuses on Masinissa of Numidia who
lived more than 100 years before Cleopatra, but my stories target
Juba II and his marriage to Cleopatra's little girl who looked like
Marc Antony. She had a reputation as a warrior women out to save her
people, and once married to the king of Numidia (modern Algeria) she
had a very different relationship with Rome than her mother.
JUBA II., son of Juba I was a young man when he married Cleopatra
Selene. Her fate was much luckier than her Macedonian Queen of
Eygpt, mother. Said to have flaming red hair like Macedonian
Alexander the Great, Cleopatra Selene was known as the Roman-
Alexandran wife of an African king. She was compared to Queen Bodica
of the Celts in Britain in looks--a tall, willowy redhead whose
mother was the Queen of Eygpt, but who had the looks of a Macedonian
woman warrior.
On the death of his father in 46 B.C. Juba was carried to Rome to
grace Caesar's triumph. He seems to have received a good education
under the care of Augustus (Octavian) who, in 29, after Mark
Antony's death, gave him the hand of Cleopatra Selene, daughter of
Antony and Cleopatra, and placed him on his father's throne. Later,
however, he transferred him from Numidia to Mauretania, to which was
added a part of Gaetulia (see NUMIDIA).
Most of the people at Cleopatra Selen's court were Mauretanians and
other West Africans as well as the native Berbers of Numidia which
is modern Algeria, and some Cartheginian colonists of Phoenician
origin. Juba reigned in prosperity.
By the year 6 of the common era, the Gaetulians rose in a revolt of
importance to afford the surname Gaetulicus to Cornelius Lentulus
Cossus, the Roman general who helped to suppress it. The date of
Juba's death occurred between A.D. 19 and 24 (Strabo, xvii. 828; Dio
Cassius, Ii. 15; liii. 26; Plutarch, Ant. 87; Caesar, 55).
Juba, according to Pliny, who constantly refers to him, is mainly
memorable for his' writings. He has been called the African Varro.
So what a wonderful novel, story or play would follow Cleopatra's
daughter and how she became a heroine in Africa and a wife of honor
to her husband, Juba, the African king of Numidia. She had a happy
life in Africa and remained far from the Roman connections that her
mother incurred. Interestingly, she may have come in contact with
Jesus during his early years on the chance they met in Egypt around
25 CE, or on her journeys after Juba's death when she was left a
young widow fond of traveling to discover her roots and beyond.
Now, my question: Cleopatra had four daughters. All four were
married to different African kings. Anyone know who married which
king? I know about Cleopatra Selene, but what about the others? The
four were daughters of Marc Antony and Cleopatra and all were sent
to different parts of Africa to live with four different kings.
Anyone know the actual fates of these four sisters?
Octavia Fabia Scriba
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