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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] An Agreement Between Aediles and Praetores
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 01:00:35 +0100

Salve Quirites!

I have also been a party to these discussions during a couple of days
and just waited for one or two of the edicta to be withdrawn.

I share the ambition of the Praetores to "increase the meaning" of
the aedilician office. Because of the discussions that have been held
I offer to present a possible proposal to the people in the name of
our two Curule Aediles, as long as the Consuls, Praetores and
Tribunes have had their say and the proposal is good enough.

I know that our Curule Aediles are honorable and hard working men, I
think that their work will end up with an excellent proposal and all
this will prove to have been for the betterment of Nova Roma and the
rights of the Populus Romanus!

>2.- The praetores agree to help the aediles to write a *legislative
>draft* that brings the aedilitas closer to its historical
>counterpart. A consensum draft will then be presented to the consules
>and the tribuni plebis, who will, if such is their will, present it
>to the People through a vote on the Comitia.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
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http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re:grant writing
From:	"william wheeler" <holyconelia@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:06 +0000

Salve

I do have over 25 years experience in writing grant proposals in the USA.

Re:
PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the USA or
the
EU

Marcus Cornelius Felix

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 01:43:22 +0100

Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>
>Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
>Legate Major for Regio Campus
>America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:59:08 -0600

Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@strategikon.org]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

=====

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:02:54 -0600

Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] (unknown)
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:04:46 -0600

It sounds great, Scriba!

Ever give any thought to donating any of the proceeds of your books to Nova
Roma?

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
[mailto:biojournalism@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] (unknown)

My short stories about Cleopatra's daughter by Marc Antony,
Cleopatra Selene, will soon be exapanded into a novel and audio play
as soon as I complete the present novel on private eye Petronious,
the ransomer. But here's some facts that were never part of
Hollywood that would make an interesting script. Most people have
seen or read about Cleopatra's son from Julius Caesar, Caesarion.
The little boy was hunted down by Octavius shortly after the demise
of Cleopatra and Marc Antony, and before her slaves could get him on
the galley bound for India, he was done away with so there would be
no son of Caesar to claim his Roman heritage.....

But everybody overlooked Cleopatra's baby girl, as girls weren't
written much into history. So here's the story, in case writers want
to have a field day with this warrior woman of the Sahara. Soon
after Marc Antony's and Cleopatra's death, Octavius hunted all her
children, but he favored the daughters and did away with the boy.
Little was known about the young daughter Cleopatra had with Marc
Antony, as he wasn't an heir in line for the power that be in Rome.

So, the little girl, Cleopatra Selene, daughter of Cleopatra and
Antony, was hurried away to Africa where she was married in
childhood to an African king. The king's name was Juba II of
Numidia. Now my present novel focuses on Masinissa of Numidia who
lived more than 100 years before Cleopatra, but my stories target
Juba II and his marriage to Cleopatra's little girl who looked like
Marc Antony. She had a reputation as a warrior women out to save her
people, and once married to the king of Numidia (modern Algeria) she
had a very different relationship with Rome than her mother.

JUBA II., son of Juba I was a young man when he married Cleopatra
Selene. Her fate was much luckier than her Macedonian Queen of
Eygpt, mother. Said to have flaming red hair like Macedonian
Alexander the Great, Cleopatra Selene was known as the Roman-
Alexandran wife of an African king. She was compared to Queen Bodica
of the Celts in Britain in looks--a tall, willowy redhead whose
mother was the Queen of Eygpt, but who had the looks of a Macedonian
woman warrior.

On the death of his father in 46 B.C. Juba was carried to Rome to
grace Caesar's triumph. He seems to have received a good education
under the care of Augustus (Octavian) who, in 29, after Mark
Antony's death, gave him the hand of Cleopatra Selene, daughter of
Antony and Cleopatra, and placed him on his father's throne. Later,
however, he transferred him from Numidia to Mauretania, to which was
added a part of Gaetulia (see NUMIDIA).

Most of the people at Cleopatra Selen's court were Mauretanians and
other West Africans as well as the native Berbers of Numidia which
is modern Algeria, and some Cartheginian colonists of Phoenician
origin. Juba reigned in prosperity.

By the year 6 of the common era, the Gaetulians rose in a revolt of
importance to afford the surname Gaetulicus to Cornelius Lentulus
Cossus, the Roman general who helped to suppress it. The date of
Juba's death occurred between A.D. 19 and 24 (Strabo, xvii. 828; Dio
Cassius, Ii. 15; liii. 26; Plutarch, Ant. 87; Caesar, 55).

Juba, according to Pliny, who constantly refers to him, is mainly
memorable for his' writings. He has been called the African Varro.
So what a wonderful novel, story or play would follow Cleopatra's
daughter and how she became a heroine in Africa and a wife of honor
to her husband, Juba, the African king of Numidia. She had a happy
life in Africa and remained far from the Roman connections that her
mother incurred. Interestingly, she may have come in contact with
Jesus during his early years on the chance they met in Egypt around
25 CE, or on her journeys after Juba's death when she was left a
young widow fond of traveling to discover her roots and beyond.

Now, my question: Cleopatra had four daughters. All four were
married to different African kings. Anyone know who married which
king? I know about Cleopatra Selene, but what about the others? The
four were daughters of Marc Antony and Cleopatra and all were sent
to different parts of Africa to live with four different kings.
Anyone know the actual fates of these four sisters?

Octavia Fabia Scriba
http://reminsicencemedia.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RomanScribes/


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:05:18 -0800

Ave,

Why dont you email a few citizens who you think would be willing to assist you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of you...you could formulate your objectives and an agenda to accomplish your objectives. Then when that rough draft is complete...you could then send it to the Consuls for their input and consideration?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@strategikon.org]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

=====

www.strategikon.org

__________________________________________________
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:08:39 -0600

Deal.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:05 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave,

Why dont you email a few citizens who you think would be willing to assist
you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of you...you could
formulate your objectives and an agenda to accomplish your objectives. Then
when that rough draft is complete...you could then send it to the Consuls
for their input and consideration?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind
it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@strategikon.org]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

=====

www.strategikon.org

__________________________________________________
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:07:00 -0800

Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just adds to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted out..then send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:13:17 -0800

Excellent. If there is anything I can do to assist you please feel free to contact me @ alexious@earthlink.net or at my work addy @ robertcw@corp.earthlink.net.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Deal.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:05 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave,

Why dont you email a few citizens who you think would be willing to assist
you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of you...you could
formulate your objectives and an agenda to accomplish your objectives. Then
when that rough draft is complete...you could then send it to the Consuls
for their input and consideration?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind
it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@strategikon.org]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:18:31 -0600

damnit.
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just adds
to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as
citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted out..then
send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan
to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re:grant writing
From:	"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 01:20:50 -0000

Marcus Cornelius Felix writes:

> PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals
> in the USA or the EU

I do, but not in the humanities. Since Nova Roma isn't going
to be proposing any space-based astronomy any time soon, I think
my experience wouldn't be especially useful.

-- Marinus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:26:10 -0800

Ave Consul,

Just a slight correction to your post. You worked on a budget addendum. The official budget was completed last year during the Consulship of M. Octavius and myself.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>
>Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
>Legate Major for Regio Campus
>America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:27:50 -0800

Ave,

I apologize for bursting your bubble...but look at the problems we are now encountering with so many titles...

Our Senior Consul had difficulties with his first Senate call.

Now our two Curule Aediles who are also serving as subordinate magistrates tried to draft 4 very poorly written edicts.

Just do what you can with the gifts that the Gods have given you and do not give yourself so much responsibility that you cannot get anything done...or cannot do anything well.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

damnit.
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just adds
to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as
citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted out..then
send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan
to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:45:39 -0800 (PST)

To get this started I have set up a Yahoo Group for
discussing fundraising.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sestertius/

Once this group comes up with a plan I will personally
bring it to the attention of the Consuls and the
Senate. I'm not promising I'll support the plan, I'll
have to see it before I decide that, but regardless of
my views I will present it.

Gaius Basilicatus, as soon as you join the group I'll
appoint you as it's modarator.

L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator

--- jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Deal.
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla
> [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:05 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
>
>
> Ave,
>
> Why dont you email a few citizens who you think
> would be willing to assist
> you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of
> you...you could
> formulate your objectives and an agenda to
> accomplish your objectives. Then
> when that rough draft is complete...you could then
> send it to the Consuls
> for their input and consideration?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jlasalle
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
>
>
> Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the
> weight of citizens behind
> it. A
> poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Apollonius Cordus
> [mailto:cordus@strategikon.org]
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
>
>
> A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus
> Agricola Scribe
> & Legate, greetings.
>
> You asked:
> > Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> > is the Senate? The tribunes?
>
> With respect, sir, I would respond by asking,
> 'have
> you made any formal petition or representation
> to the
> Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have
> you even
> asked any of these people or groups informally
> but
> directly in such a way that might allow them
> to know
> they are being asked?'
>
> The forum is a public gathering-place where
> anyone can
> say anything they like, and standing on an
> orange-box
> repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however
> accurate it
> may be, a formal petition to any competent
> authority
> to do anything. This is a forum where you can
> persuade
> other ordinary citizens of your point of view,
> and
> many have been persuaded. But it isn't a
> mechanism for
> filing formal requests for governmental
> action.
>
> Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely
> to get
> very far if one's only request is that there
> be a
> plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get
> a formal
> acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the
> need for
> a plan. But it's true here as in most
> democratic
> states that nothing much will happen until
> people have
> definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent
> for
> setting up special committees or other bodies
> to look
> into particular issues and come back with
> their
> recommendations - it's up to the initiative of
> private
> individuals or of magistrates.
>
> It is difficult for someone in the situation
> of
> yourself or mine to achieve what you are
> trying to
> achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm
> afraid, are
> that you put a formal petition to whoever you
> think
> appropriate to get at least a formal
> recognition of
> the need for a plan of some kind, and that you
> could
> perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if
> you
> like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting
> of
> yourself and other interested citizens who
> could
> discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals
> to
> submit to the Senate or the Consuls for
> consideration.
>
> Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,
>
> Cordus
>
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>
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>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] New and Prospective NR Citizens
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:59:20 -0500 (EST)

I come before you to give you a most sincere welcome to Nova Roma. My
apologies for not greeting each of you individually, but I am often away
on other commitments when new citizens announce themselves. However, I
assure you that does not make my welcome to you any less sincere.

Many people who discover Nova Roma wonder what it really is and after
joining still have many questions. The purpose of this message is to
attempt to answer some of those questions, and provide for those who
have the questions a kind of path to follow to find the answers.

To begin with, in order to understand Nova Roma (NR) you must think of
the organization not as a club or a reenactment unit (we have both) but
rather as a nation currently without land. We have no physical
structures and we meet face-to-face at odd and periodic times and
places, as meetings and events are arranged. These not as often as we
would like perhaps, but we are doing better.

NR is a micronation as opposed to a Macronation and it has it's own
Constitution and Laws. It has an Academia, and it has a variety of
clubs (Sodalitas) for people of given and specific interests.

Our Main Line of Communication is the Main List, but there are also
other lists which are used for a more specific kind of communication
such as between those of a given Province or a given language /
philosophy. These clubs are all related to NR In some way either as
having Senate approval, awaiting Senate approval, or in the process of
organizing for Senate approval. There are a number of Roman Reenactment
Legions and Units which are sponsored by NR.

We hold Annual elections for our Senior Magistrates (Consuls Tribunes,
Censors, Praetors, Quaestors and Aediles, as well as some specialized
Magistrates. The Lesser Magistrates are appointed or continued in their
positions (Provincial ProPraetors. Praetors and Proconsuls) by the
decision of the Senate.

The Senate is a body of men and women who have shown a more than average
interest in Nova Roma or have been placed in the Senate by election to a
Senior Magistrate's Position. The Senate receives petitions and
proposals for change and / or betterment and discusses them, then vote
for them on a Consular agenda. These votes set the policies which
decide upon the direction in which the micronation will go. Senate
deliberations normally take place anywhere from four to ten times per
year, and the Tribunes announce to the Citizens the Agenda Items before
the Senate and the results of the Senate vote.

Consuls, Tribunes and Praetors have Imperium. other Magistrates do not.
We also have a set of laws which have been drawn up and voted on by the
NR Citizens as they have been seen to be necessary.

On the NR Website (NovaRoma.org) you will finds references to all of the
above points. I have provided for you a basic skeleton of NR. It is
now for you to "flesh out" by reading the Constitution and the Lex List
(Laws), and to pursue you interests in this micronation, as they are
provided for, or as you wish to establish them. When you have done so,
then I welcome your further questions, and I shall endeavor to answer
them, as I can, or failing that; I will refer you to someone who can.

Another important item is that NR is a place which recognizes Pagan
Religion. The Religio Romano is practised here, and the Magistrates are
pledged to respect such. They do not have to take part in this set of
beliefs, but they MUST respect it. The Religio has a College of
Pontiffs and a Pontifex Maximus which speaks for the College.

Now it is your turn to do some reading and research into this new
micronation and perhaps formulate some questions from that study to have
an been clearer understanding of this micronation that you have entered.

Enjoy yourself, and keep foremost in your mind that you are a Citizen or
a soon-to-be Citizen, and a very important person, since you have the
power to elect your Magitrates, and have a say who will serve in the
Senate. The second thing to remember, is that this is YOUR micronation,
and you have the right to express your opinion about the direction in
which it will go.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Senator -- Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re:grant writing
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:57:50 -0800

Ave,

For the record my grant writing experience has been in the venue of humanities and public policy. I do know for certain that the public policy grants were successful in receiving funds. I was only involved in the humanities grant writing for a short while because I granduated.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re:grant writing

Marcus Cornelius Felix writes:

> PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals
> in the USA or the EU

I do, but not in the humanities. Since Nova Roma isn't going
to be proposing any space-based astronomy any time soon, I think
my experience wouldn't be especially useful.

-- Marinus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Grant info - National Endowment for the Humanities.
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:03:17 -0800

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/challenge.html

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/collaborative.html - geared toward scholars.

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/public-consult.html

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/eep-hfg.html

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/fellowships.html

Hope this helps. There is alot more at the National Endowment for the Humanities.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Grants and Grant Writing
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:52:03 -0500 (EST)

There is a Grant Catalog listing many of the grants available in the
U.S. which is, I am told, in every U.S. municpal library of any size. I
have found it in the four local libraries. The catalog lists:

--each grant,

--who to contact,

--the specific purpose of the grant,

-- and the grant limitations (which can be quite extensive).

There is a detailed set of directions in the catalog for writing grants
as well. I would assume that there are similar grant organizations /
prospects in other countries.

In addition to this particular catalog, there are any number of local
State and City organizations which offer grants, as well as private
foundations and businesses. Many of these (a large percentage) require
"matching funds," or they are only interested in local concerns which
beneffit local people, in areas of endeavor related to thier city or
business.(Example telephone company grants to those who are contracted
to that company. They provide a very small percentage of every call
made from your telephone, An average user might get a $10.00 check
every quarter for enrolling. However, the recieving organization must
be recognized by the grantor, and supported by a third person.

I serve on the Restoration Commttee of an American Civil War
Fortification / City Park in New Haven, Ct where we have on the
Committee a staff Grant Writer. In reviewing the above mentioned Grant
Catalog, as a member of her committee, I found just five grants out of a
listing of several thousand that pertained in any aspect to Historical
Military Restoration, that was not under some restriction of location,
matching funds, approved plans, and a detailed organization.

Another Historical House in nearby Scotland, Ct
pays a fee of $300 per year for an audit of the grant funds of something
like $5,000 which can only be spent over a period of five years with a
maximum draw-out of so much each month, again matchng approved and
planned projects.

The Fort Restoration Committee, maintains a modest budget for special
projects from private organizational grants in the New Haven Area,
virtually al of these grant organizations enjoy the fact that one or
more members of the Restoration Committee also belong to the granting
organization, and we are currently struggling to work around attaining
matching funds for a $20,000 grant which is nearing it's 2 year
expiration date. These smaller local grant societies are those who are
aware of the above Committee's efforts and who are aquainted with the
requesting organizations and individuals. Personal politics is often a
large contributor to a successful Grant Award. Just as often, success
comes only after a wait of one to five years of annual applications,
when those who have entered requests before you are dealt with first.
We also have on the books a $50.00o dollar grant from the State of
Connecticut which was engieered by a lady on the Rstoration Committee
whose husband is a State Senator.

Often grant organizations require that the grant recievers hire and
submit the contracts to the approval of a Historical Advisor to insure
that the grant money is spent on historically accurate materials and
procedures.

Fort Adams in Newport, Rhode Island has a promise of a 1 million dollar
grant from the U.S. government which was arranged by three Congressional
Reps in the Newport area of Rhode Island. All three are ex-officio
members of the Friends of Fort Adams. Fort Adams also has a Fort
Curator and Asst. Curator who is qualified to oversee the fort
restoration. These peopl wrot thier own grant requests for their
salaries, which are significant.

Lastly, most of these organizations are closely monitored as to the
funding that they award, and they want to be sure that the funds are
directed to a specific use, following a profssional plan, under the
watchful eye of an independent monitoring organization. Often these
professonal plans must be drawn up at an cost of thousands of dollars,
which also must be achieved by requesting grants. An example is that
Fort Hale has currently spent $4700 for plans to effect the
reconstruction of a structure within the park. We have as a result of
that set of plans and three years of requests, recieved a grant of
$20,000 which requires "matching funds" before any money changes hands.
There is a deadline of 24 months for the fulfillment of the grant
requirements, and the whole $40,000 must be paid over to the City of New
Haven to be paid out only when the final plans are approved by the city,
and then only as requested by requisition based on the construction
contracts. This has taken over 18 months to accomplish (matching funds,
contracts, city approval, and professional plans), and none of the
$40,000 is earning interest for the Fort Funds because of the
requirement for deposit to a city depatment as opposed to a bank. One
of the committee members has been pleased to donate $20,000 as the
necessary matching funds, and has been waiting for 18 months to be able
to get her $20,000 from the loan.

These are the kind of things that Praefectus Scipio of the Sodaitas
Egressus has been working quietly on in France, and which he indicates
may have some promise in that country, Yes, there are those who have
considered, written for and supported grant requests in Nova Roma.
However, as I have indicated it takes a deal of effort and patience,
unless there is some other attribute which will bring you to the
favorable attention of a granting organization.

While I have less than three years of practical experience in writing
for grants on this committee, I am told by others who have been on the
committee for 20+ years that the above situatons are pretty much the
rule for those kinds of grants and grant applications.

I am pleased to see that there are many of you
who have experience in Grant Writing as the last time that I mentioned
the possiblity of such an approach, the only person who admitted such
was Senator Maximus, who in turn requested my written support of his
grant request. I recieved no other response indicating that those who
are experienced in such have joined since my earlier inquiry.

Best of luck in this endeavor. It can be a long road, with lots of
work, but there can be a significant reward for those who have the time,
patience and the ability to work at this endeavor with the diligence
that it demands, in the areas of historical funding after the
determination of what NR decides that it wants, needs and is capable of
doing to utilize any grants that it may recieve. I am sure that with
those who have resonded, we can soon expect a report of many grant
applications being written to fulfill the needs of Nova Roma, just as
soon as they are decided upon.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edicta Praetoricum 2756-I -- Dismissal of Legatus Oppius Flaccus Severus
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:29:19 -0000

Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edicta Praetoricum 2756-I regarding the dismissal of Legatus Regionis
America Boreoccidentalis Maior Oppius Flaccus Severus.

I. I Hereby publically and officially dismiss illustrus Oppius
Flaccus Severus as Legatus Regionis America Boreoccidentalis Maior. I
thank former legatus Oppius Flaccus Severus most sincerely for his
service to the provincia. I wish both Oppius and his wife all health
and happiness and sincerely hope that they will both consider
remaining as cives NovaRomani, for they will indeed be missed!

II. This edicta becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Ex Officio

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum Praetoricum 2756-II --dismissal of provincial scriba
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:30:47 -0000

Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edictum Praetoricum 2756-II regarding the dismissal of scriba
Regionis America Boreoccidentalis Livia Mauricia Sabina.

I. I hereby publically and officially dismiss illustra Livia
Mauricia Sabina as scriba America Boreoccidentalis. I thank former
scriba Livia Mauricia Sabina most sincerely for her service to the
provincia and recognise her devotion to her familia.

II. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Ex Officio

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] musica romana
From:	"civvsromanvs <ben.fuertsch@vminternational.com>" <ben.fuertsch@vminternational.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:18:22 -0000

Salvete,

Could anyone tell me where I could either find, or find information
on roman music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edicta Praetoricum 2756-III reaffirming participation in the Limes Cooperation
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:34:35 -0000

Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edicta Praetoricum 2756-III reaffirming the participation of
Provincia America Boreoccidentalis in the Limes Cooperation.

I. Recognising the worth of cooperative planning between the
provinciae of Nova Roma, I hereby reaffirm Provincial Edictum 2754-2
drafted by my predecessor, the illustrus Lucius Mauricius Procopius,
validating our participation in the Limes Cooperation.

II. This edicta becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edicta Praetoricum 2756-IV -- reaffirming guidelines for the Sodalitas Munerum
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:36:08 -0000

Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edicta praetoricium 2756-IV reaffirming guidelines for the Sodalitas
Munerum.

I. Recognising that guidelines must be set for live combat
demonstrations, I hereby reaffirm Provincial Provincial Edicta 2754-4
drafted by my predecessor, the illustrus Lucius Mauricius Procopius,
establishing guidelines for the Sodalitas Munerum.

II. This edicta becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] musica romana
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:56:30 -0500

Salve Cousin Try these

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/OM/music.html

http://www.ancestral.co.uk/romanmusic.htm

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/muse/

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] musica romana

Salvete,

Could anyone tell me where I could either find, or find information
on roman music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Musica Romana
From:	"civvsromanvs <ben.fuertsch@vminternational.com>" <ben.fuertsch@vminternational.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:32:54 -0000

Salvete,

Does anyone know where I can find, or find information on roman
music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"Livia Cornelia Hibernia <lindaw@san.rr.com>" <lindaw@san.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:31:18 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

This is a really great idea; to try getting an arts/humanities grant
for Nova Roma.

I have had some experience with scientific grants and am familiar
with some of the grants that are let each year in various other
areas. The trully amazing thing about grants is how many tens of
millions of dollars (US) go BEGGING every year because not enough
people or groups even apply for them!

It is most definately worth a try or two or three. All it really
costs is the time (yes, as a former consultant, I know that can be an
expensive commodity) of the grant writer and a few stamps. Nobody
gets penalized for being rejected and you never know, it just might
work.

Valete,

Hibernia

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> Salve Romans
>...[Lots of stuff snipped]...
> PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the
>USA or the EU

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Withdraw_Edicta_Aediliacia?=
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franciscus_Apulus_Caesar?=" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:01:11 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

Ex Officio Aedilis Curulis Francisci Apuli Caesaris

At 15th Febraury I have published four (4) Edicta about the powers of investigation and trial of the Curules Aediles in the commercial fields and about the maintaining the order during the official Ludi of Nova Roma. This Edicta had created harsh discussions and critics more than I could imagine.
I have to admit that the language of this Edicta is not so clear, I have used not right words and several parts must be re-viewed.
In a special way I must thing again about the Indagatores, the secret agents that many of you have called "secret police force". It's logical I don't want create a secret police or a "status of suspect" in Nova Roma because it's not democratic. And my friends know that often I'm too democratic.
I want you understand that this Edicta hadn't been written by flung people without sense, This are the results of a long (1 year) job started by Illustrus Quintilianus. We're working seriously about this issues and we're not playing.
I want to underline that this is a hard step for me because I must admit to have mistaken and this days (within attacks, eplanation, discussions, suggestions, etc.) maybe have attacked my Dignitas. But I thing thinging about own faults and correcting their is the right thing that a Magistrate should do and it's very Roman!

So, I withdraw the following Edicta:
- EDICTA IV DE IUSTA MERCATURA [Fair Business Practices]
- EDICTA V DE LUDORUM DIGNITATE [Dignitasof the Ludi]
- EDICTA VI DE INVESTIGATIONIBUS [Investigations]
- EDICTA VII DE ACTIONIBUS AEDILICIIS [Aedilian Actions]

This action is supported by Illustrus Curule Aedile Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

However, I'm sure that our Res Publica have the duty to re-view the Office of Aedile following the history, to re-view the commercial business of Nova Roma and to re-view the position and powers of Aediles during the Ludi.
We all, I, Illustrus Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Illustrus Manius Constantinus Serapio, are already working about their. But I invite the higest Magistrates of Nova Roma, the illustris Consules, the Praetores, the Tribunes, the Pontiffs and the Plebeian Aediles, to work with us in a public place (like the NovaRomaLaws mailing list) to find a solution as soon as possible.
And I ask to Senators and Consules and Praetores to thing about a national Law re-creating the Office of Curule Aedile as close as possible to the history and clarifying the actual Magistracy.

Thank you all and take my apologies.

Valete bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] musica romana
From:	John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:20:34 -0500

>
> Could someone tell me where I could find information on Roman music?
>

Salve Laecus:

The problem with ancient Roman music is that we know more about the instruments of the period than the music itself. Volume 2 of the New Oxford History of Music has an excellent chapter on the subject. A group called SYNAULIA has made several CD's of music newly composed but played on reconstructed versions of the Roman instruments. Unfortunately, although I have heard these CD's and found them fascinating, they were out of stock at Amazon, last time I checked, though they may be available from other sources. The subject of Roman music was one I had to familiarize myself with after college, as back when I was pursuing my degrees in Musicology, any coverage of ancient music focused on Greece, since there was more information on their theory and practice, and even some brief scores extant in "parasemantics," the musical script system used. Again, recordings of some of this music have been made, one by Christodoulos Halaris.

As far as I know there are no surviving musical "scores" from Republican or Imperial Rome, so that most articles on the subject are couched in generalization and drenched in the subjunctive, though none the less interesting for that. Hope this was of some help - ancient music was not my field of expertise so I am still learning about this intriguing topic.

Vale

L. Suetonius Nerva
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] musica romana

Salvete,

Could anyone tell me where I could either find, or find information
on roman music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Oath as Scriba Propraetoris
From:	"H Minucia Caesar <theladysabine@hotmail.com>" <theladysabine@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:34:50 -0000

I, Horatia Minucia Caesar do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of Gaius
Minucius Hadrianus while I hold this office, except when such action
would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Horatia Minucia Caesar further swear to fulfill the obligations
and Responsibilities of the office of Scriba Propraetoris to the best
of my Abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I, Horatia Minucia Caesar swear to give faithful service to my
magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris with all the
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Ego, Horatia Minucia Caesar, sollemniter iuro ex hoc honorem Novae
Romae servare et agere semper in usu commodissimi G. Minucii Hadriani
dum hoc officium gero, nisi quod factum tale illicitum aut contra
reipublicas leges sit.

Ego, Horatia Minucia Caesar, praeterea iuro praestare officia
curasque officii Scriba Propraetoris pro viribus dum instans
Romanibus virtutibus exemplaribusque.

Ego, Horatia Minucia Caesar, iuro dare magistrato ministerium fidele,
et non divulgare ullas reres disputas in fiducia. Intellego me
servare solum ad arbitrium magistrati.

In honore meo me esse civem Novae Romae, et coram deis deisque populi
Romani et per voluntatem gratiamque eorum, accipio officium Scribae
Propraetoris et omnia privelegia et officia et curas annumerata.

--------------------
hoc in sermonem Latinam per Horatiam Minuciam Caesarem conversum erat.

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Subject:	About Aedilship - Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 464
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:59:23 -0300 (ART)

Salve,

I feel the same need for the Plebeian Aediles.

Vale,

L. Arminius Faustus

FAC wrote:

And I ask to Senators and Consules and Praetores to thing about a national Law re-creating the Office of Curule Aedile as close as possible to the history and clarifying the actual Magistracy.

Thank you all and take my apologies.

Valete bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

Valete bene in pacem deorum,

L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

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Iliad, Homer, book XX

The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Withdraw Edicta Aediliacia
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:23:10 +0100

Salve Franciscus Apulus Caesar,

<Thank you all and take my apologies.

Don't be so hard on yourself dear! And just because a few of us were
critical of the edicts does not mean that we don't appreciate all the work
you are doing! And from what I've read, *everyone* is 100% behind you in
wanting to make the office of the Curules Aediles as close to possible to
ancient times and clarifying your role here. This will also help to define
the role of the Plebian Aediles as L. Arminius Faustus has mentioned. This
is all *good* news.

Writing an edict is difficult work. Everything has to be worded just
perfectly because everyone here will be reading it very carefully. For the
Tribunes, it is our jobs to examine every word and phrase. I know that make
us (or me!) unpopular, but a good Tribune has to do what we feel is right
and just hope that no one hates us (her!) afterwards... Goddess knows, I
haven't the nerve yet to write an edict. To write one in my second language
is totally impossible. So don't feel bad or embarrassed,or that any of us
are against you, because you've done well!

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: musica romana
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:38:15 -0000

AVE LAECE GALERI FELIX

> The problem with ancient Roman music is that we know more about
the instruments of the period than the music itself. Volume 2 of the
New Oxford History of Music has an excellent chapter on the subject.
A group called SYNAULIA has made several CD's of music newly composed
but played on reconstructed versions of the Roman instruments.
Unfortunately, although I have heard these CD's and found them
fascinating, they were out of stock at Amazon, last time I checked,
though they may be available from other sources. The subject of
Roman music was one I had to familiarize myself with after college,
as back when I was pursuing my degrees in Musicology, any coverage of
ancient music focused on Greece, since there was more information on
their theory and practice, and even some brief scores extant
in "parasemantics," the musical script system used. Again,
recordings of some of this music have been made, one by Christodoulos
Halaris.
>
> As far as I know there are no surviving musical "scores" from
>Republican or Imperial Rome, so that most articles on the subject
>are couched in generalization and drenched in the subjunctive,
>though none the less interesting for that. Hope this was of some
>help - ancient music was not my field of expertise so I am still
>learning about this intriguing topic.

I must agree with Lucius Suetonius. However, I am writing on this
very topic for next issues of "Roman Times".
Anyway, just to add something, even though we know much more on Greek
music than on the Roman one, we can assume that they were not so
different. In fact, Latin music theoritecians like Varro and
Martianus Capella don't add anything to the Greek musical theory, but
just report what Greeks said.

BENE VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] GREEN CHARIOT RACE - LAST DAY!!!
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:54:10 -0000

Citizens of Nova Roma,

That's really the first chariot race of the year! And you can take
part to it if you join the GREEN team, the factio Praesina!.
Just become a member of our victorious factio subscribing our mailing
list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina

The green race on the Circus wait for yours teams! It�s the GREEN
show!
The public waits for your chariots on the sand! You will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship!

After you joined our Mailing List you can finally send your
inscription to mcserapio@yahoo.it saying:

- Your Novaroman name
- Chariot name
- Driver Name
- Your Tactics. Choose among:
1 To hurry in the last laps
2 To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
3 To support a constant pace
4 To lash the rivals
5 To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6 To hurry in the straight lines

Remember to write in subject line "Ludi Praesina"!!!

BE HURRY!!! TODAY IS THE LAST DAY!!!

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory!! Who will
be the green champion in 2756 AUC?

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Well done all
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:35:34 +0000 (GMT)

A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I just wanted to applaud everyone who has been
involved in the recent discussions about the
Aedilician edicts. The debate was about important and
controversial issues, but without exception the
discussion was thoughtful, polite and constructive.

Furthermore, the Aediles, the Praetors, the Tribunes
and others seem to me to have gone beyond the minimum
required of them to resolve the issue and to work out
guidelines for further progress.

Finally, this mini-controversy was exemplary of our
constitution working under optimum conditions, and
shows that criticism and even veto can be constructive
and not just obstructive, and shows everyone including
new and prospective citizens a better side of the
political process to the one we sometimes see.

No apologies to anyone who feels that this is a
message full of superfluous gushing cluttering up
their inbox: I tend to think that praise is a greater
motivator than blame, and that no praise of good
conduct is superfluous.

Cordus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: musica romana
From:	"Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:06:55 -0000

We'll have an excellent article on Roman music in the next issue of
the Roman Times! I'll be sure to let you know when it is published!

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

> >
> > Could someone tell me where I could find information on Roman
music?
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gratias
From:	"civvsromanvs <ben.fuertsch@vminternational.com>" <ben.fuertsch@vminternational.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:27:39 -0000

Thank you to everyone who responded to my Roman music post, you have
all been very helpful. How can I get ahold of a copy of the Roman
Times? And on that note, does anyone know how I can get ahold of a
copy of the Eagle?

Thanks again,

Laecus Galerius Felix

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Gratias
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:08:50 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "civvsromanvs <ben.fuertsch@v...>"
<ben.fuertsch@v...> wrote:
> Thank you to everyone who responded to my Roman music post, you
have
> all been very helpful. How can I get ahold of a copy of the Roman
> Times?

Here you are, dominus!

http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/romantimes/romantimes.h
tml

Bene vale!

Julilla Sempronia Magna

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:11:48 -0600

Ave

true sagacity. I'm just going to make my accountant do it, anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:28 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave,

I apologize for bursting your bubble...but look at the problems we are now
encountering with so many titles...

Our Senior Consul had difficulties with his first Senate call.

Now our two Curule Aediles who are also serving as subordinate magistrates
tried to draft 4 very poorly written edicts.

Just do what you can with the gifts that the Gods have given you and do
not give yourself so much responsibility that you cannot get anything
done...or cannot do anything well.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

damnit.
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just
adds
to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as
citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted
out..then
send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma.
All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year
plan
to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?

Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the
Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and
is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I
am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation.
I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we
have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There
are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about
when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen
too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this
debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached
its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] (unknown)
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:27:57 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : �biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>�
>
>
>Now, my question: Cleopatra had four daughters. All four were
>married to different African kings. Anyone know who married which
>king? I know about Cleopatra Selene, but what about the others? The
>four were daughters of Marc Antony and Cleopatra and all were sent
>to different parts of Africa to live with four different kings.
>Anyone know the actual fates of these four sisters?
>
Are you certain of four or is this just legend? Whatever the boy meant to Octavian, Cleopatra herself would have known that to the Egyptians, divine blood ran through the mother, hence the need of Pharoah to marry his sister, maintaining the old maternal and later legalistic paternal line - but then again whom else could the sister of God incarnate marry without disgracing herself?
Cleopatra seems to have been one of the few Makedonian rulers to be consecrated Pharoah. Any of her daughters then would have been far more important to maintaining the real heritage than any son in no position to take over. I didn't know there were as many as four. So what did happen to them? Is it possible that some of the alleged Jesus Christ bloodline secret societies that probably were around in the Dark Ages in reality go back to protecting the divine Egyptian heritage and nothing to do with Christianity at all?

Caesariensis.

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