| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:14:03 -0300 (ART) |
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Salve
Oh yes, those things happen. You know, when isnt your
mother tongue ...
I remember that i wrote horrible mistakes in the past,
in the old "novaroma" ML. I learned to re-re-re-read
my letters to be sure that everything is more or less
readable.
Hopefully, the old archives will remain buried for all
the eternity.
:)
Vale
Marcus Arminius
--- jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> escreveu: > The
Senate is at the moment discussing a decision
> that involves a decison
> that involves a decision that The Senate is at the
> moment discussing.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
>
> "It is indeed a desirable thing to be
> well-descended, but the glory belongs
> to our ancestors."
> -Plutarch (46-120AD)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:18 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The
> Eagle and your Patronage"
>
>
> Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
[..]
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision
> that involves a
> decison about such longtime undertakings and it
> would be to
> anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow
> such a project on your
> part.
[..]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath as Accensus |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:35:57 -0300 (ART) |
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Oath as Accensus
I, Marcus Arminius Maior, do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in
the best interests of the Consul Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus while I hold this office, except when
such action would be illegal or unconstitutional.
I, Marcus Arminius Maior, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and Responsibilities of the office of the
Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus to the best of my
Abilities while following the Roman virtues and
ideals.
I, Marcus Arminius Maior, swear to give faithful
service to my magistrate, and not to divulge any
information discussed in confidence. I understand that
I serve solely at the discretion of my magistrate.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
of Accensus with all the privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16 |
| From: |
Legion XXIV <legionxxiv@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:33:49 -0500 |
|
Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org
Avete et Salutatio Commilitones
Hello and Greetings from your new Legatus for the
Provincia Pennsylvaniensis - NovaRoma - Media-Atlantica
I have been appointed by our Praetor, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
(William Gawne) to act as a liaison for the 40 Citizens of NovaRoma,
who reside in Pennsylvaniensis.
One of my duties will be to try and have our citizens get together from
time to time. There is an event coming up that will provide an ideal
and impressive venue for such a gathering.
The University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
will be re-opening their Classical Galleries on March 16th after a nearly
10 year, multi-million dollar renovation. The new displays entitled
"Etruscans - Greeks - Romans - Worlds Intertwined" will be opened to
the public on Sunday, March 16, 2003.
The Museum will conduct a Gala Dinner, Saturday Evening, March 15;
and a Roman Legionary and Gladiatorial Encampment, all-day Sunday,
March 16. The Gala is a private event for the UPM at which Legion XXIV
will be providing atmosphere. Therefore, there will be little for NovaRoma
to do on Saturday Evening. Although we may be able to accompany and provide appropriate atmosphere during the Grand March to the Exhibits.
However, the Encampment on Sunday, 11AM to 4PM, when the Galleries
will be opened to the public, will be like a late winter "Roman Days" Event
and could also be a great place for NovaRomans to gather and get to know
each other. Period attire would be in order and most encouraged.
If there is sufficient interest and response, I may be able to secure a room
or gallery in the Museum for NovaRoma to meet.
The Museum is playing this weekend up BIG with the news media
expected to be in attendance. In other words, we could expect that
"There will be film at Eleven" and probably at "Six" as well.
A great time for Romans to be seen and appreciated, not to mention
the opportunity to gather and meet in the environment of a prestigious
museum of classical history! I realize that time is a little short on this;
but if the will is there, it can happen. Originally, this was to be just a
military encampment and I admit I did not think of the possibilities for
a NovaRoma gathering. Now with my new duties as Legate, this has
come to mind and I hope we can take advantage of the opportunity.
Please let me know if you are interested in coming so we can plan
and advise the Museum Staff accordingly and make the necessary
arrangements for a meeting venue for NovaRoma.
I need to hear from you on this ASAP!
The Museum is located in West Philadelphia at 3230 South Street.
The City is promoting its "Philly is More Fun when you Stay Over"
campaign with a second night free at many hotels on weekends.
This could reduce the cost of overnight accommodations by half!
For directions: consult www.mapquest.com using "3230 South Street,
Phila, 19104". Use South Street exit, west off of I-76, Schuylkill
Expressway, right or left toward large stadium and under RR trestle,
left at first "light", then right into garage.
The BLACK GRYPHON INN, sponsored by the Canton of Gryphonwald,
at the Edison, NJ Moose Lodge was a fun time, with good food,
challenging games and lots of NovaRoma and SCA hospitality.
The theme for 2003 was a "Roman Tavern of Britannia".
Head cook Merlinia served up a feast of Ostrich Balls, Marinated Pork,
Wheat Polenta and Kale Brouse with barley (for the Celts).
(Disclaimer - No Ostriches were de-balled or otherwise harmed.)
The balls were actually beef balls, and although that may seem like a
"lot of bull" - likewise - no bulls were deprived of their manhood.
Lord Ragnarr developed a challenging and exciting board game.
Termed the "Circus Minimus", six charioteers proceed around the Circus
by count of dice. After three rounds of dice throws, four lions are
let loose to pursue the chariots. The lions likewise move by count of the
dice and upon catching-up to a chariot, the rider had to cast a "five" or
higher to survive or have a drawn "Get Out of Lion, Free" card allowing
him to escape. Other cards caused you to "crash" (unless you had an
"Un-Crash" card), allowed you "whip" an opponent, sending him back,
or advance or fall-back, depending on whether the Gods, Emperor or
Crowds were pleased or displeased. It was a well thought out contest
and your Commander crashed or was whipped or attacked several times
by the lions and finally devoured in the three rounds of play in which he participated.
A number of Latin-English skits were also presented. In all, it was a
pleasant way to pass a Saturday and commune with our NovaRoma and
SCA friends.
ROMAN WAR GAME - On the Horizon.
Ted Massad, from Oklahoma, has a start-up Game company,
known commonly as Underground Style Games (US).
They have nearly finished a 15 year project culminating in the
creation of the most comprehensive military and commercial
strategy board game perhaps ever in the history.
Known as 'Civis Romanus'. It is their intention that both novice
as well as historically knowledgeable individuals could use a
board game platform to model and simulate the historically
significant events unvolving political, military, and commercial
reasoning that evolved from 323 B.C. from the death of
Alexander the Great of Macedonia to the fall of Rome (and further
how ancient Western history relates to Modern European Society
and Demographics today).
The board game conceivably can be played to simulate 5 distinct
epochs from 323 B.C. to 1880 AD or played as a campaign game
over 2100 years of history, that could prove how history at one
moment or another could have been changed or very well prove
why all of the events in history lead to the foundation of Western
Civilization exactly the very way that it did.
They are desperately seeking ancient history and board game
enthusiasts (even novices that might just be interested) to contact
them about being Play Testers for Civis Romanus.
Play Testing is planned to begin in Summer of this year 2003.
And we are in need of 100 Play Testers from around the world.
The game consists of a large map board, army playing pieces,
trading posts, commodity cards, technology cards, and marker
tokens. For those that love Roman and Hellenistic History and
would be interested in helping their editing team fine tune the rules
and efficiency of the structure of the game, please contact
Teodor Massad c/o Underground Style Games.
style_jet7@yahoo.com for more information. Please include
'Civis Romanus' Play Testers in Subject field. Thank You !
MARCH EVENTS in Philadelphia
You are reminded of the Events at the University of Pennsylvania,
3200 South Street, during March.
Mar 15 Roman atmosphere for Univ.-PA Museum Gala and
Grand March to Exhibit, 5PM - 9PM, Philadelphia
Mar 16 Legion and Gladiatorial Encampment and Demonstrations,
UPM, with Legion XX. 11AM - 4PM
Mar 19 or 20 Roman atmosphere for UPM Member's Opening Party,
6 - 9PM, Philadelphia No details yet.
UPCOMING EVENTS
April 19-20 "Marching Through Time" Marietta Mansion,
Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD
May 3-4 "Universal Soldier" encampment, Fort Washington Park, MD - south of Wash-DC. The Commander will probably not be able to make this event; but I am sure Matt Amt & Legion XX would welcome any of us who could turn-out for this easy and laid-back encampment.
May 24-25 "Quest" SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, Neshanic Station, near Flemington, NJ. A fun time with a SCA group who welcomes Romans. Melinia's cooking and hospitality is also another inducement to be there.
June 7 - 8 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD. All Rome! - All Day!
Roman Market Days - Hollis Maine - September 13 & 14 (corrected date)
Details to come.
Looking forward to meeting and working with you all in the future
to promote Provincia Pennsylvaniensis and NovaRoma,
I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Gallio / George
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16 |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:49:00 -0600 |
|
I wish I could go. Check out their website at:
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/exhibits/online_exhibits/online_exhibits.sht
ml
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Legion XXIV [mailto:legionxxiv@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:34 PM
To: Gregoire, Joseph - NR-MA; Katyansky, Helen - NR-MA; Shupp, Michelle -
NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA; Miller, Tammy - NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA;
Brewster, Roy - NR-MA; Shandruk, Walter - NR-MA; Fenton, Robert - NR-MA;
Ruiz, Denis - NR-MA; Petrozza, Michael - NR-MA; Ferretti, Vincent - NR-MA;
Bompadre, Adam - NR-MA; DiBaggio, John - NR-MA; Collier, Paul - NR-MA;
Gawne, William - NR-Praetor; Gilberti, Frank - NR-MA; Johnson, James -
NR-MA; Fiore, Vincent - NR-MA; Todd, Matthew - NR-MA; Schlegel, Fred -
NR-MA; Caliguri, Megan - NR-MA; Metz, George - NR-MA-Legate; Swank,
Douglas - NR-MA; Cirinione, C.R. - NR-MA; Graham, Jeffrey - NR-MA; Levin,
PhD, Joshua - NR-MA; Gable, Delia - NR-MA; Gallant, Diane - NR-MA; Landan,
Laura - NR-MA; Helt, Brian - NR-MA; Altemus, Krystine - NR-MA; Ferragame,
Joseph - NR-MA; Sharo, David - NR-MA; Peabody, Emma - NR-MA; Stoudt-Bidwell,
Catherine - NR-MA; Bowers, Scott - NR-MA; Weiderhold, Dana - NR-MA
Cc: NovaRoma List Yahoo Groups
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March
16
Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org
Avete et Salutatio Commilitones
Hello and Greetings from your new Legatus for the
Provincia Pennsylvaniensis - NovaRoma - Media-Atlantica
I have been appointed by our Praetor, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
(William Gawne) to act as a liaison for the 40 Citizens of NovaRoma,
who reside in Pennsylvaniensis.
One of my duties will be to try and have our citizens get together from
time to time. There is an event coming up that will provide an ideal
and impressive venue for such a gathering.
The University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
will be re-opening their Classical Galleries on March 16th after a nearly
10 year, multi-million dollar renovation. The new displays entitled
"Etruscans - Greeks - Romans - Worlds Intertwined" will be opened to
the public on Sunday, March 16, 2003.
The Museum will conduct a Gala Dinner, Saturday Evening, March 15;
and a Roman Legionary and Gladiatorial Encampment, all-day Sunday,
March 16. The Gala is a private event for the UPM at which Legion XXIV
will be providing atmosphere. Therefore, there will be little for
NovaRoma
to do on Saturday Evening. Although we may be able to accompany and
provide appropriate atmosphere during the Grand March to the Exhibits.
However, the Encampment on Sunday, 11AM to 4PM, when the Galleries
will be opened to the public, will be like a late winter "Roman Days"
Event
and could also be a great place for NovaRomans to gather and get to know
each other. Period attire would be in order and most encouraged.
If there is sufficient interest and response, I may be able to secure a
room
or gallery in the Museum for NovaRoma to meet.
The Museum is playing this weekend up BIG with the news media
expected to be in attendance. In other words, we could expect that
"There will be film at Eleven" and probably at "Six" as well.
A great time for Romans to be seen and appreciated, not to mention
the opportunity to gather and meet in the environment of a prestigious
museum of classical history! I realize that time is a little short on
this;
but if the will is there, it can happen. Originally, this was to be just
a
military encampment and I admit I did not think of the possibilities for
a NovaRoma gathering. Now with my new duties as Legate, this has
come to mind and I hope we can take advantage of the opportunity.
Please let me know if you are interested in coming so we can plan
and advise the Museum Staff accordingly and make the necessary
arrangements for a meeting venue for NovaRoma.
I need to hear from you on this ASAP!
The Museum is located in West Philadelphia at 3230 South Street.
The City is promoting its "Philly is More Fun when you Stay Over"
campaign with a second night free at many hotels on weekends.
This could reduce the cost of overnight accommodations by half!
For directions: consult www.mapquest.com using "3230 South Street,
Phila, 19104". Use South Street exit, west off of I-76, Schuylkill
Expressway, right or left toward large stadium and under RR trestle,
left at first "light", then right into garage.
The BLACK GRYPHON INN, sponsored by the Canton of Gryphonwald,
at the Edison, NJ Moose Lodge was a fun time, with good food,
challenging games and lots of NovaRoma and SCA hospitality.
The theme for 2003 was a "Roman Tavern of Britannia".
Head cook Merlinia served up a feast of Ostrich Balls, Marinated Pork,
Wheat Polenta and Kale Brouse with barley (for the Celts).
(Disclaimer - No Ostriches were de-balled or otherwise harmed.)
The balls were actually beef balls, and although that may seem like a
"lot of bull" - likewise - no bulls were deprived of their manhood.
Lord Ragnarr developed a challenging and exciting board game.
Termed the "Circus Minimus", six charioteers proceed around the Circus
by count of dice. After three rounds of dice throws, four lions are
let loose to pursue the chariots. The lions likewise move by count of the
dice and upon catching-up to a chariot, the rider had to cast a "five" or
higher to survive or have a drawn "Get Out of Lion, Free" card allowing
him to escape. Other cards caused you to "crash" (unless you had an
"Un-Crash" card), allowed you "whip" an opponent, sending him back,
or advance or fall-back, depending on whether the Gods, Emperor or
Crowds were pleased or displeased. It was a well thought out contest
and your Commander crashed or was whipped or attacked several times
by the lions and finally devoured in the three rounds of play in which he
participated.
A number of Latin-English skits were also presented. In all, it was a
pleasant way to pass a Saturday and commune with our NovaRoma and
SCA friends.
ROMAN WAR GAME - On the Horizon.
Ted Massad, from Oklahoma, has a start-up Game company,
known commonly as Underground Style Games (US).
They have nearly finished a 15 year project culminating in the
creation of the most comprehensive military and commercial
strategy board game perhaps ever in the history.
Known as 'Civis Romanus'. It is their intention that both novice
as well as historically knowledgeable individuals could use a
board game platform to model and simulate the historically
significant events unvolving political, military, and commercial
reasoning that evolved from 323 B.C. from the death of
Alexander the Great of Macedonia to the fall of Rome (and further
how ancient Western history relates to Modern European Society
and Demographics today).
The board game conceivably can be played to simulate 5 distinct
epochs from 323 B.C. to 1880 AD or played as a campaign game
over 2100 years of history, that could prove how history at one
moment or another could have been changed or very well prove
why all of the events in history lead to the foundation of Western
Civilization exactly the very way that it did.
They are desperately seeking ancient history and board game
enthusiasts (even novices that might just be interested) to contact
them about being Play Testers for Civis Romanus.
Play Testing is planned to begin in Summer of this year 2003.
And we are in need of 100 Play Testers from around the world.
The game consists of a large map board, army playing pieces,
trading posts, commodity cards, technology cards, and marker
tokens. For those that love Roman and Hellenistic History and
would be interested in helping their editing team fine tune the rules
and efficiency of the structure of the game, please contact
Teodor Massad c/o Underground Style Games.
style_jet7@yahoo.com for more information. Please include
'Civis Romanus' Play Testers in Subject field. Thank You !
MARCH EVENTS in Philadelphia
You are reminded of the Events at the University of Pennsylvania,
3200 South Street, during March.
Mar 15 Roman atmosphere for Univ.-PA Museum Gala and
Grand March to Exhibit, 5PM - 9PM, Philadelphia
Mar 16 Legion and Gladiatorial Encampment and Demonstrations,
UPM, with Legion XX. 11AM - 4PM
Mar 19 or 20 Roman atmosphere for UPM Member's Opening Party,
6 - 9PM, Philadelphia No details yet.
UPCOMING EVENTS
April 19-20 "Marching Through Time" Marietta Mansion,
Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD
May 3-4 "Universal Soldier" encampment, Fort Washington Park, MD -
south of Wash-DC. The Commander will probably not be able to make this
event; but I am sure Matt Amt & Legion XX would welcome any of us who could
turn-out for this easy and laid-back encampment.
May 24-25 "Quest" SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, Neshanic Station,
near Flemington, NJ. A fun time with a SCA group who welcomes Romans.
Melinia's cooking and hospitality is also another inducement to be there.
June 7 - 8 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt
450, Glen Dale, MD. All Rome! - All Day!
Roman Market Days - Hollis Maine - September 13 & 14 (corrected date)
Details to come.
Looking forward to meeting and working with you all in the future
to promote Provincia Pennsylvaniensis and NovaRoma,
I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Gallio / George
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:57:11 EST |
|
In a message dated 2/24/03 3:49:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@sbcglobal.net writes:
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a decison
> that involves a decision that The Senate is at the moment discussing.
>
It is not as hard as that. The Senate is voting on giving the Eagle more
money.
The Curator took it on himself to come up with an idea to raise more money
for the
Eagle, which was admirable, was illegal under the Roman constitution. Had he
approached
the Senate first with his idea, which I like by the way, he wouldn't have
suffered that veto to his announcement.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16 |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:57:54 -0500 |
|
You can !!!! You get on a plane in KC and get off one in Phili
I will pick you up at the airport in my chariot!!!!
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:56 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16
I wish I could go. Check out their website at:
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/exhibits/online_exhibits/online_exhibits.sht
ml
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Legion XXIV [mailto:legionxxiv@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:34 PM
To: Gregoire, Joseph - NR-MA; Katyansky, Helen - NR-MA; Shupp, Michelle -
NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA; Miller, Tammy - NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA;
Brewster, Roy - NR-MA; Shandruk, Walter - NR-MA; Fenton, Robert - NR-MA;
Ruiz, Denis - NR-MA; Petrozza, Michael - NR-MA; Ferretti, Vincent - NR-MA;
Bompadre, Adam - NR-MA; DiBaggio, John - NR-MA; Collier, Paul - NR-MA;
Gawne, William - NR-Praetor; Gilberti, Frank - NR-MA; Johnson, James -
NR-MA; Fiore, Vincent - NR-MA; Todd, Matthew - NR-MA; Schlegel, Fred -
NR-MA; Caliguri, Megan - NR-MA; Metz, George - NR-MA-Legate; Swank,
Douglas - NR-MA; Cirinione, C.R. - NR-MA; Graham, Jeffrey - NR-MA; Levin,
PhD, Joshua - NR-MA; Gable, Delia - NR-MA; Gallant, Diane - NR-MA; Landan,
Laura - NR-MA; Helt, Brian - NR-MA; Altemus, Krystine - NR-MA; Ferragame,
Joseph - NR-MA; Sharo, David - NR-MA; Peabody, Emma - NR-MA; Stoudt-Bidwell,
Catherine - NR-MA; Bowers, Scott - NR-MA; Weiderhold, Dana - NR-MA
Cc: NovaRoma List Yahoo Groups
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March
16
Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org
Avete et Salutatio Commilitones
Hello and Greetings from your new Legatus for the
Provincia Pennsylvaniensis - NovaRoma - Media-Atlantica
I have been appointed by our Praetor, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
(William Gawne) to act as a liaison for the 40 Citizens of NovaRoma,
who reside in Pennsylvaniensis.
One of my duties will be to try and have our citizens get together from
time to time. There is an event coming up that will provide an ideal
and impressive venue for such a gathering.
The University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
will be re-opening their Classical Galleries on March 16th after a nearly
10 year, multi-million dollar renovation. The new displays entitled
"Etruscans - Greeks - Romans - Worlds Intertwined" will be opened to
the public on Sunday, March 16, 2003.
The Museum will conduct a Gala Dinner, Saturday Evening, March 15;
and a Roman Legionary and Gladiatorial Encampment, all-day Sunday,
March 16. The Gala is a private event for the UPM at which Legion XXIV
will be providing atmosphere. Therefore, there will be little for
NovaRoma
to do on Saturday Evening. Although we may be able to accompany and
provide appropriate atmosphere during the Grand March to the Exhibits.
However, the Encampment on Sunday, 11AM to 4PM, when the Galleries
will be opened to the public, will be like a late winter "Roman Days"
Event
and could also be a great place for NovaRomans to gather and get to know
each other. Period attire would be in order and most encouraged.
If there is sufficient interest and response, I may be able to secure a
room
or gallery in the Museum for NovaRoma to meet.
The Museum is playing this weekend up BIG with the news media
expected to be in attendance. In other words, we could expect that
"There will be film at Eleven" and probably at "Six" as well.
A great time for Romans to be seen and appreciated, not to mention
the opportunity to gather and meet in the environment of a prestigious
museum of classical history! I realize that time is a little short on
this;
but if the will is there, it can happen. Originally, this was to be just
a
military encampment and I admit I did not think of the possibilities for
a NovaRoma gathering. Now with my new duties as Legate, this has
come to mind and I hope we can take advantage of the opportunity.
Please let me know if you are interested in coming so we can plan
and advise the Museum Staff accordingly and make the necessary
arrangements for a meeting venue for NovaRoma.
I need to hear from you on this ASAP!
The Museum is located in West Philadelphia at 3230 South Street.
The City is promoting its "Philly is More Fun when you Stay Over"
campaign with a second night free at many hotels on weekends.
This could reduce the cost of overnight accommodations by half!
For directions: consult www.mapquest.com using "3230 South Street,
Phila, 19104". Use South Street exit, west off of I-76, Schuylkill
Expressway, right or left toward large stadium and under RR trestle,
left at first "light", then right into garage.
The BLACK GRYPHON INN, sponsored by the Canton of Gryphonwald,
at the Edison, NJ Moose Lodge was a fun time, with good food,
challenging games and lots of NovaRoma and SCA hospitality.
The theme for 2003 was a "Roman Tavern of Britannia".
Head cook Merlinia served up a feast of Ostrich Balls, Marinated Pork,
Wheat Polenta and Kale Brouse with barley (for the Celts).
(Disclaimer - No Ostriches were de-balled or otherwise harmed.)
The balls were actually beef balls, and although that may seem like a
"lot of bull" - likewise - no bulls were deprived of their manhood.
Lord Ragnarr developed a challenging and exciting board game.
Termed the "Circus Minimus", six charioteers proceed around the Circus
by count of dice. After three rounds of dice throws, four lions are
let loose to pursue the chariots. The lions likewise move by count of the
dice and upon catching-up to a chariot, the rider had to cast a "five" or
higher to survive or have a drawn "Get Out of Lion, Free" card allowing
him to escape. Other cards caused you to "crash" (unless you had an
"Un-Crash" card), allowed you "whip" an opponent, sending him back,
or advance or fall-back, depending on whether the Gods, Emperor or
Crowds were pleased or displeased. It was a well thought out contest
and your Commander crashed or was whipped or attacked several times
by the lions and finally devoured in the three rounds of play in which he
participated.
A number of Latin-English skits were also presented. In all, it was a
pleasant way to pass a Saturday and commune with our NovaRoma and
SCA friends.
ROMAN WAR GAME - On the Horizon.
Ted Massad, from Oklahoma, has a start-up Game company,
known commonly as Underground Style Games (US).
They have nearly finished a 15 year project culminating in the
creation of the most comprehensive military and commercial
strategy board game perhaps ever in the history.
Known as 'Civis Romanus'. It is their intention that both novice
as well as historically knowledgeable individuals could use a
board game platform to model and simulate the historically
significant events unvolving political, military, and commercial
reasoning that evolved from 323 B.C. from the death of
Alexander the Great of Macedonia to the fall of Rome (and further
how ancient Western history relates to Modern European Society
and Demographics today).
The board game conceivably can be played to simulate 5 distinct
epochs from 323 B.C. to 1880 AD or played as a campaign game
over 2100 years of history, that could prove how history at one
moment or another could have been changed or very well prove
why all of the events in history lead to the foundation of Western
Civilization exactly the very way that it did.
They are desperately seeking ancient history and board game
enthusiasts (even novices that might just be interested) to contact
them about being Play Testers for Civis Romanus.
Play Testing is planned to begin in Summer of this year 2003.
And we are in need of 100 Play Testers from around the world.
The game consists of a large map board, army playing pieces,
trading posts, commodity cards, technology cards, and marker
tokens. For those that love Roman and Hellenistic History and
would be interested in helping their editing team fine tune the rules
and efficiency of the structure of the game, please contact
Teodor Massad c/o Underground Style Games.
style_jet7@yahoo.com for more information. Please include
'Civis Romanus' Play Testers in Subject field. Thank You !
MARCH EVENTS in Philadelphia
You are reminded of the Events at the University of Pennsylvania,
3200 South Street, during March.
Mar 15 Roman atmosphere for Univ.-PA Museum Gala and
Grand March to Exhibit, 5PM - 9PM, Philadelphia
Mar 16 Legion and Gladiatorial Encampment and Demonstrations,
UPM, with Legion XX. 11AM - 4PM
Mar 19 or 20 Roman atmosphere for UPM Member's Opening Party,
6 - 9PM, Philadelphia No details yet.
UPCOMING EVENTS
April 19-20 "Marching Through Time" Marietta Mansion,
Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD
May 3-4 "Universal Soldier" encampment, Fort Washington Park, MD -
south of Wash-DC. The Commander will probably not be able to make this
event; but I am sure Matt Amt & Legion XX would welcome any of us who could
turn-out for this easy and laid-back encampment.
May 24-25 "Quest" SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, Neshanic Station,
near Flemington, NJ. A fun time with a SCA group who welcomes Romans.
Melinia's cooking and hospitality is also another inducement to be there.
June 7 - 8 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt
450, Glen Dale, MD. All Rome! - All Day!
Roman Market Days - Hollis Maine - September 13 & 14 (corrected date)
Details to come.
Looking forward to meeting and working with you all in the future
to promote Provincia Pennsylvaniensis and NovaRoma,
I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Gallio / George
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Questions for the Tribune candidates |
| From: |
AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:02:53 EST |
|
In a message dated 2/24/2003 6:46:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
diana@pandora.be writes:
> 1) What are you doing currently to promote Nova Roma in your area? If you
> are not currently promoting NR, what are your ideas regarding how to
> promote
> NR in the future?
>
I am a Procurator (Senior Legate) within Lacus Magni Province. I
participated in last years Roman event in September (in Columbus, OH), and
will help organize the event this year. Currently the Propraetor and I are
working on getting the Province more active locally, but all things take
time. We hope to start, initially, informal get togethers and hope that they
evolve into something more formal.
> 2) Which of the following duties of a Tribune do you find are most
> important?
> a) senate reporting?
> b) organizing Plebeian elections?
> c) writing new laws?
> d) having the right of intercessio (veto) over the edicts made by other
> magistrates?
>
I think running run-off elections are by far the most important, and
rewarding experience <G>. Seriously....I would say the right of intercessio
is the most important. It is something that requires a great deal of
maturity and sense of responsibility. It is an important balancing tool, and
should only be exercised when absolutely necessary. The other duties are
important as well, but the primary purpose of the Tribune is the right of
intercessio.
> 3) If you have previously held or now hold an office in NR, what have been
> the most rewarding parts of your duties? And what have been the most
> difficult parts of your office?
>
I must say the most rewarding duty within Nova Roma is the priesthood of
Flamen Pomonalis. I love the Gods, and especially Pomona. So service to her
is by far THE most rewarding task within Nova Roma I perform. However, it is
also a difficult role as well. While I consider myself a Reconstructionist I
consider myself a moderate, I believe that several of the priesthood holders
are a little more conservative than I. The most difficult part is seeking
balance. Difficult...(sometimes) yes, but definitely essential.
> 4) What do you think would be the most personally rewarding part of being a
> Tribune? What do you think would be the worst part?
The most rewarding part, IMO, would be to serve the Republic and watch Nova
Roma grow and mature. This can be done with any post I occupy. The worst
part about being a Tribune would be if I would ever have to invoke
intercessio on the edict of a friend. I would do whatever my conscience
dictated in the fulfillment of my duties, but that doesn't mean the decisions
would be easy to make. I acknowledge that, but am prepared to do if
necessary.
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to answer.
In Fellowship:
G. Modius Athanasius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:03:08 -0500 |
|
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 02:13:19PM -0600, jlasalle wrote:
> "'Something like that' is in the general area, yes. I presume this is an
> indication of your extensive education that you keep telling us about?"
>
> Thats off the top of my head. I learned latin in college and I don't
> speak it everyday. Stop presuming anything about me.
And the reason you think I would listen to your maunderings phrased as
orders is?... You have no influence on what I do, and no way to gain
any. Feel free to puff and blow, though; you can't make yourself look
any more foolish than you already have - it's simply not possible.
> Evidently you must be off
> moderated status, judging from your long, welcome silence.
Your preoccupation with moderated status seems quite apropos. Did your
Nursey tell you to go stand in the corner this past week for being a bad
boy and give you a complex? In fact, I would have expected the list
moderators to kick you off a long time ago, but I suspect they don't
want to soil their shoes.
> Ordinarily you
> are sane, but it appears you have lucid moments when you are only stupid.
Why, thank you; it must be lucidity indeed if even a gormless wad of
pseudo-sentient protoplasm like you manages to recognize it. You,
unfortunately, have *no* lucid moments: the regurgitated vomitus you
spout is, without doubt, the most uniformly boringly senseless droning
I've ever heard (although it _is_ highly reminiscent of cow flatus in
tone and content.) Is there some Git-to-English dictionary people should
use to read you, or is it a lost cause (as I firmly believe) from the
start?
> "Why don't you first give us all an example by donating 10% of all your
> profits to Nova Roma, and stop badgering others until you do?"
>
> I don't need NR or any of its citizens
Believe me, neither NR nor any of its citizens need you any more than
they need septicemia. Oh, wait - I'm being unkind to virulent
microorganisms by comparing them with you: they poison their host system
*quietly*...
> , least of all your rotten malice, to
<smile> Try not to project your own attitudes onto other people. The
twisting psychedelic fog of your drug haze will still remain, but there
will be at least _one_ tiny clear window onto the world in the loony bin
of what you laughably term your mind.
> practice law. Therefore, I owe nothing to NR from my private life, except
> what the SPQR asks. Citizens, whose only purpose here, is to leech
> information for use in private endeavors and personal profit should have the
> courtesy to offer compensation, instead of acting the shamless parasite.
Ah - so now you're going to rate cives by your own scale, and you're
going to enforce your rating by attacking those who don't pass your
inspection. Is there a magistrate here who would care to speak to this
issue - to this criminal practice of prejudice-driven violence?
> So, I ask you real nice, to lay off.
<laugh> Your understanding of "nice" must be fascinating to
xenobiologists. Feel free to post again when you've learned to speak a
human language; until then, go play in your sandpile.
> I'm sure biojournalism can answer my
> "badgering" herself.
The point is, why should anyone here have to? Nova Roma is not a place
where cives should have to defend themselves from badgering and whining
demands for money by random self-inflated windbags.
> Your incessant inanities are tiresome. I'd call you a
> sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse.
<Yawn> Did you have to search the Internet for a long time to find that?
Good grief, you couldn't find anyone better to steal from than Woody
Allen... that's _really_ scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Poor thing, whatever shred of originality you may have once had has
rotted away in your leech-like, blood-sucking pursuits. Go on - I _dare_
you to come up with an original insult. Take a year; take several.
HINT: It takes *wit*, which you do not possess and have no way to steal
from your poor deluded clients' wallets. It may be possible to fake
intelligence for a time - you did for a bit, even though the level has
consistently been abysmally low - but you can't fake wit. Keep trying,
though - you're half-way there.
> I look foreward to your next e-mail, as they are always good for a laugh. I
> might even read it.
Whether or not you read it - or, more precisely, have it read to you,
since your loose-lipped vacuity precludes the possibility of your being
able to read - is of no concern to me. All I'm interested in is warning
other Nova Romani that a pile of you is lying in the road so they don't
step in it.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Caelum, non animum mutant, qui trans mare currunt.
The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
-- Horace, "Epistulae"
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:44:02 -0500 |
|
Salvete:
Although I acknowledge your authority in this area, there is no excuse for your not making your position known sooner. Such a decision has caused unconscionable embarrasment to the Honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
In accordance with Section V. B. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, I propose that the Senate clarify and, once and for all, codify, in a manner understandable to the citizenry of Nova Roma, the vital issue of taxation: how and in what manner it should be assesed and collected. This a grey area that needs to be addressed if we are ever to be a viable entity.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it comes to the Eagle,
this is well and good, but it is the Senate that takes all decisons
about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
Because of the present discussion in the Senate about a modification
of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main issues I must VETO
item 3. (below) in your latest message according to the power given
to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decison about such longtime undertakings and it would be to
anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow such a project on your
part.
>3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff and I have
>rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF PATRONS
>
>If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
>to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.
>
>Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
>Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
>Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
>Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
>Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation
>
>"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question
>
>If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
>One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.
>
>If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a two years
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level.
>
>If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
>naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"
>
>If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
>resident artist.
>
>If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a three
>year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
>dedicated to YOU
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:34 -0800 |
|
Avete L. Seutonius et Omnes,
This issue has been clarified. It is located in the Tabularium, under Senatus Consulta. Specifically its this link: http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-viii.html Its even simply called Taxiation.
Soon, hopefully our consuls will address the nation about this years tax collection season. Some of my gens members are already paying it via paypal to the payments@novaroma.org addy.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: John Walzer
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Stephen Gallagher
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salvete:
Although I acknowledge your authority in this area, there is no excuse for your not making your position known sooner. Such a decision has caused unconscionable embarrasment to the Honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
In accordance with Section V. B. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, I propose that the Senate clarify and, once and for all, codify, in a manner understandable to the citizenry of Nova Roma, the vital issue of taxation: how and in what manner it should be assesed and collected. This a grey area that needs to be addressed if we are ever to be a viable entity.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it comes to the Eagle,
this is well and good, but it is the Senate that takes all decisons
about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
Because of the present discussion in the Senate about a modification
of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main issues I must VETO
item 3. (below) in your latest message according to the power given
to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decison about such longtime undertakings and it would be to
anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow such a project on your
part.
>3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff and I have
>rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF PATRONS
>
>If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
>to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.
>
>Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
>Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
>Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
>Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
>Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation
>
>"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question
>
>If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
>One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.
>
>If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a two years
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level.
>
>If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
>naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"
>
>If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
>resident artist.
>
>If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a three
>year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
>dedicated to YOU
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>" <gawne@cesmail.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:30:04 -0000 |
|
L. Suetonius Nerva writes:
[addressing the Senior Consul]
> Although I acknowledge your authority in this area, there is
> no excuse for your not making your position known sooner. Such
> a decision has caused unconscionable embarrasment to the Honorable
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
While I'm not pleased to see my able and ambitious Quaestor
placed in this awkward position either, I would advise both you
and him that the proper procedure with any such effort is to present
it to those magistrates in a position to veto it first. If that
presentation occurs in the public forum, then vetos will occur here
too. My Aedilean colleague discovered this difficult political truth
just a bit over a week ago.
I'd also have advised the Senior Consul, had he asked me, to send
a note to Quaestor Galerius Paulinus in private, asking him to
withdraw the proposal until the Senate could act on the matter.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:56:45 -0500 |
|
Salve Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and the Citizens of Nova Roma
To be as honest as I know how ,I am at a loss for words!!!! The notice I posted on the main list, on patronage, was FIRST sent ,in draft form, to the Novaromaeagle staff site at yahoogroups on January 12 message number 30 out of 93 and again in modified form on January 24 message number 62 of 93 . Members of the Eagle staff who also serve as members of your staff received these posts and said NOT ONE WORD about them that would indicate that you or your colleague had any problem with the Eagle paying its way in the world and relying less on the NR treasury.
The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUE , BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A WORD THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be vetoed
I am told time and time again that the Eagle MUST pay its own way and EVERYTIME we put one step forward to make this happen somebody does something to push us back five steps in the opposite direction The Patronage program has nothing to do with the budget other than freeing up funds for other uses. I am sure that this patronage plan is in the best Roman tradition. Until last year NR ONLY had money that was donated. NR is almost 5 years old and for the first four years only had money people were willing to give. Nothing in the patronage program costs the treasury a DIME.
The patronage program that I announced on Sunday has already received a pledge from a person who became a citizen on February 5th, L. Suetonius Nerva and he has already sent a check , for $250.00 to help pay for the Eagle. In less than a day we have raised almost 10% of the money in the current NR treasury that some have said took 5 years to raise. In less that a day!!!!
With all do respect to you and your colleague, and knowing how much you must have on your plate, a word before I posted on the ML would have cause me less embarrassment and less work for you. It would also have saved the generous L. Suetonius Nerva from writing a check that will now have to be sent back.
If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel that I am not the person to serve as Curator Differum please have the decency to ask for my resignation.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum et Quaestor
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:20 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it comes to the Eagle,
this is well and good, but it is the Senate that takes all decisions
about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
Because of the present discussion in the Senate about a modification
of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main issues I must VETO
item 3. (below) in your latest message according to the power given
to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decision about such longtime undertakings and it would be to
anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow such a project on your
part.
>3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff and I have
>rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF PATRONS
>
>If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
>to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.
>
>Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
>Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
>Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
>Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
>Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation
>
>"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question
>
>If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
>One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.
>
>If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a two years
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level.
>
>If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
>naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"
>
>If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
>resident artist.
>
>If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a three
>year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
>dedicated to YOU
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
"malkhos <malkhos@yahoo.com>" <malkhos@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:54:13 -0000 |
|
The answer to the immediate question in libera; and it is not
surprising that it has caused some uncertianity, althought it must
have been a common word and has well known Romances descendents
(livre in French; the stylized 'L' monogram used to denoted the
British pound) it was not a common literary word: it does not, I
beleive occur in Lewis' Elementary, but is the first defintion given
in the OLD.
More widely, however, I have just discovered Nova Roma and am greatly
intersted in joining, but I have been for a few days monitoring the
posts here and on some of the other lists. The string of replies to
this rather innocent question contians appaling bitterness; and I
have seen simialr bad manners elsewhere. Is this sort of thing common
here? If so, why is it tolerated?
Malkhos
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "biojournalism
<biojournalism@h...>" <biojournalism@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> Can someone tell me the Roman (Latin) word for measuring by the
> pound? Sample sentence, "Masinissa wants 5,000 pounds of gold,
3,000
> pounds of pepper, 30,000 pounds of silver and 4,000 tunics of silk."
> What word can I substitute for pound to mean a similar unit of
> measurement such as a pound of silver or a pound of beans? My novel
> takes place 150 BCE in Rome and with Cato and Scipio in Numidia.
>
>
> Octavia
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:43:29 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:
SNIP
>
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
Tiberius Galerius,
I for one would hate to see you leave your office. You
have been the most energetic Curator we have had in
some time. We need more people like you. I really did
like your idea to finance the Eagle, and I will do
what I can in assisting you in bringing it about.
L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:58:32 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/24/03 3:49:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> jlasalle@s... writes:
>
>
> > The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decison
> > that involves a decision that The Senate is at the moment
discussing.
> >
>
> It is not as hard as that. The Senate is voting on giving the
>Eagle more money.
> The Curator took it on himself to come up with an idea to raise
>more money for the Eagle, which was admirable, was illegal under
>the Roman constitution. Had he approached
> the Senate first with his idea, which I like by the way, he
>wouldn't have suffered that veto to his announcement.
It may be illegal at the moment but in a few days it likely will be.
The Tribunes have posted the items for the Senate vote. One of them
is the item about the Eagle voted on a few weeks ago (it did not pass
because not enough senators voted within the specified time period).
That item will allow the Curator to seek means to finance the Eagle,
such as this proposed system that would be perfectly acceptable.
It would have been better for the Consul to quietly ask the Curator
Differum to withdraw his edict and postpone the project for a week
rather than publicly embarass him. Sometimes it is suitable to
publicly rebuke someone but generally it is not. This was one of
those times when it was not necessary I believe.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
Fw: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:01:07 -0500 |
|
I second the opinion of L. Sicinius Drusus. You are obviously sincere in the execution of your duties, as indicated by the passionate defense of your actions, posted to this group, and Nova Roma would be much the poorer for your loss.
Vale, Lucius
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Sicinius Drusus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:
SNIP
>
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
Tiberius Galerius,
I for one would hate to see you leave your office. You
have been the most energetic Curator we have had in
some time. We need more people like you. I really did
like your idea to finance the Eagle, and I will do
what I can in assisting you in bringing it about.
L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:42:50 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salve, Illustrissimus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
Curator Differum
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> escreveu: >
Salve Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and the
> Citizens of Nova Roma
[..]
> The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND
> YOUR COLLEAGUE , BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO
> THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A WORD THAT WE
> SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be
> vetoed
> I am told time and time again that the Eagle MUST
> pay its own way and EVERYTIME we put one step
> forward to make this happen somebody does something
> to push us back five steps in the opposite direction
> The Patronage program has nothing to do with the
> budget other than freeing up funds for other uses.
[..]
M.ARMINIUS: I believe that the consules and their
staff didnt disagree with your initiative, but with
minor technical details. The big problem is that, when
someone donates money to you, or to the Eagle, Nova
Roma is responsible for the procedure, since you is a
novaroman magistrate.
So, i believe that the money needs to be directed to
the NR treasure, and then redirected (by the
Quaestores, who recognize thet the money is related to
the Eagle) to you, the Curator Differum.
Seems to be a bit "bureaucratic", but this is
necessary (please, correct me if i am wrong).
[..]
> The patronage program that I announced on Sunday
> has already received a pledge from a person who
> became a citizen on February 5th, L. Suetonius
> Nerva and he has already sent a check , for $250.00
> to help pay for the Eagle. In less than a day we
> have raised almost 10% of the money in the current
> NR treasury that some have said took 5 years to
> raise. In less that a day!!!!
>
> With all do respect to you and your colleague, and
> knowing how much you must have on your plate, a word
> before I posted on the ML would have cause me less
> embarrassment and less work for you. It would also
> have saved the generous L. Suetonius Nerva from
> writing a check that will now have to be sent back.
M.ARMINIUS: Whoa! Please, Tiberius Galerius, hold the
check a bit more! We can solve the situation with more
dialogue.
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
M.ARMINIUS: Tiberius Galerius, i recognize your
efforts to the better of Nova Roma. Please, understand
that this is about a minor, technical detail, and not
towards you personally; a magistrate has only three
days to veto a magisterial edict, and the Senatus
Consulta can take more time. Perhaps the consul
thought that your edict can be vetoed now and rewrited
shortly later.
And, I am sure that the consules want you to remain
our Curator Differum.
Thank you, and Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Senator, Accensus.
-----
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum et Quaestor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle
> and your Patronage"
>
> Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
>
> I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it
> comes to the Eagle,
> this is well and good, but it is the Senate that
> takes all decisions
> about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
>
> Because of the present discussion in the Senate
> about a modification
> of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main
> issues I must VETO
> item 3. (below) in your latest message according to
> the power given
> to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
[..]
> >3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff
> and I have
> >rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF
> PATRONS
> >
> >If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a
> Patron all you have
> >to do is pick from the following Levels and send in
> your check.
> >
> >Clines (client) Level I
> 50.00 Donation
> >Cultor (fosterner) Level II
> 125.00 Donation
> >Amicus (friend) Level III
> 250.00 Donation
> >Comes (partner) Level IV
> 400.00 Donation
> >Patronus (patron) Level V
> 500.00 Donation
[..]
> >Vale
> >
> >Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >Curator Differum
>
> --
>
> Vale
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:36:05 -0500 |
|
Salve, Marci:
You are correct, technically speaking Marcus, as per the Constitution of Nova Roma, but let's get real, guys (and gals):
Tiberius was simply acting in what he considered to be the best interests of Nova Roma. A publication, such as the Eagle purports to be, must be a going concern, grounded on a sound financial base. His efforts to establish the paper as such is simple common sense - and while effusive musings about the "bureaucracy" and the "treasury" are all very well, they are beside the point. The definitive issue is, who's paying the bills?
I think that's the issue the honorable Tiberius was addressing with his notion of a "Patron's List," and it deserves serious consideration.
Vale.
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: M Arminius Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve, Illustrissimus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
Curator Differum
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> escreveu: >
Salve Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and the
> Citizens of Nova Roma
[..]
> The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND
> YOUR COLLEAGUE , BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO
> THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A WORD THAT WE
> SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be
> vetoed
> I am told time and time again that the Eagle MUST
> pay its own way and EVERYTIME we put one step
> forward to make this happen somebody does something
> to push us back five steps in the opposite direction
> The Patronage program has nothing to do with the
> budget other than freeing up funds for other uses.
[..]
M.ARMINIUS: I believe that the consules and their
staff didnt disagree with your initiative, but with
minor technical details. The big problem is that, when
someone donates money to you, or to the Eagle, Nova
Roma is responsible for the procedure, since you is a
novaroman magistrate.
So, i believe that the money needs to be directed to
the NR treasure, and then redirected (by the
Quaestores, who recognize thet the money is related to
the Eagle) to you, the Curator Differum.
Seems to be a bit "bureaucratic", but this is
necessary (please, correct me if i am wrong).
[..]
> The patronage program that I announced on Sunday
> has already received a pledge from a person who
> became a citizen on February 5th, L. Suetonius
> Nerva and he has already sent a check , for $250.00
> to help pay for the Eagle. In less than a day we
> have raised almost 10% of the money in the current
> NR treasury that some have said took 5 years to
> raise. In less that a day!!!!
>
> With all do respect to you and your colleague, and
> knowing how much you must have on your plate, a word
> before I posted on the ML would have cause me less
> embarrassment and less work for you. It would also
> have saved the generous L. Suetonius Nerva from
> writing a check that will now have to be sent back.
M.ARMINIUS: Whoa! Please, Tiberius Galerius, hold the
check a bit more! We can solve the situation with more
dialogue.
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
M.ARMINIUS: Tiberius Galerius, i recognize your
efforts to the better of Nova Roma. Please, understand
that this is about a minor, technical detail, and not
towards you personally; a magistrate has only three
days to veto a magisterial edict, and the Senatus
Consulta can take more time. Perhaps the consul
thought that your edict can be vetoed now and rewrited
shortly later.
And, I am sure that the consules want you to remain
our Curator Differum.
Thank you, and Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Senator, Accensus.
-----
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum et Quaestor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle
> and your Patronage"
>
> Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
>
> I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it
> comes to the Eagle,
> this is well and good, but it is the Senate that
> takes all decisions
> about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
>
> Because of the present discussion in the Senate
> about a modification
> of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main
> issues I must VETO
> item 3. (below) in your latest message according to
> the power given
> to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
[..]
> >3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff
> and I have
> >rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF
> PATRONS
> >
> >If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a
> Patron all you have
> >to do is pick from the following Levels and send in
> your check.
> >
> >Clines (client) Level I
> 50.00 Donation
> >Cultor (fosterner) Level II
> 125.00 Donation
> >Amicus (friend) Level III
> 250.00 Donation
> >Comes (partner) Level IV
> 400.00 Donation
> >Patronus (patron) Level V
> 500.00 Donation
[..]
> >Vale
> >
> >Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >Curator Differum
>
> --
>
> Vale
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Provincia Gallia -- New Citizens, Nouveaux Citoyens |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:11:55 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete,
I would like to invite all the new citizens of Provincia Gallia to subscribe to the
official list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Gallia/
We have a lot to discuss and particularly the future organisation of our Province.
Come along!!
Tous les nouveaux citoyens de la Provincia Gallia sont invités à s'inscrire à la liste
officielle afin de participer à la future organisation de notre Province à:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Gallia/
Nous vous attendons!!
Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:01:58 +0100 |
|
Salvete citizens,
I think that everyone has made good points all around regarding our Eagle
editor's proposal and our Senior Consul's veto.
Anyone who is in this Forum knows that we have a wonderful and enthusiastic
editor! He took the initiative for reviving the Eagle and no one is
forgetting that! But it is true that we do have a bureaucracy here and we
need to follow procedures (as annoying as that sometimes is), which
unfortunately also includes the cold hard fact that we may sometimes need to
veto a proposal by someone that we like and respect. It is not an enjoyable
thing to do, which I can say from recent experience!
In any case, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus has a few excellent ideas, which I
am sure will be approved by the Senate, but these things do take a bit of
time. They are already voting on certain things regarding the Eagle and so
this is a priority in the Senate. This was mentioned in both the report of
the last month's Senate meeting, and the agenda for this month's Senate
meeting where the voting is going on as I write this.
Everyone including Caeso Fabius Quintilianus is 100% behind our editor! So
let's not blurry that fact when we get upset because we see that a good
idea has been vetoed. Just sit tight and everything will be ok!
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Questions for the Tribune candidates |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:05:01 +0100 |
|
Salve Laenas,
<I see Diana, not that you are safely elected, you start quizzes for
< the rest of us ;-).
Ha ha ha!! I knew someone would notice! But just in case anyone asked, I
made sure that I would only ask questions that I could answer myself :-)
And to both you and Gaius Modius Athanasius: thank you for answering! I am
sure that you would both make fine Tribunes!
Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:13:54 -0000 |
|
Salve,
> To be as honest as I know how ,I am at a loss for words!!!! The
notice I posted on the main list, on patronage, was FIRST sent ,in
draft form, to the Novaromaeagle staff site at yahoogroups on January
12 message number 30 out of 93 and again in modified form on January
24 message number 62 of 93 . Members of the Eagle staff who also
serve as members of your staff received these posts and said NOT ONE
WORD about them that would indicate that you or your colleague had
any problem with the Eagle paying its way in the world and relying
less on the NR treasury.
>
> The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUE ,
BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A
WORD THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be vetoed
Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should have an independent
press that is not subject to the political whimsy of various
magistrates and the financial influence of the Senate.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:43:43 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>"
<richmal@attbi.com> wrote:
> Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> have an independent
> press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> various
> magistrates and the financial influence of the
> Senate.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
Salve,
Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
"Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
side of the "Eagle"
If You, or any other citizen wishes to start up a
rival newspaper where you assume the Macronational
Legal Liabilities that Nova Roma Inc has with the
"Eagle" you are free to do so.
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>" <gawne@cesmail.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:17:06 -0000 |
|
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves
> a decison that involves a decision that The Senate is at the
> moment discussing.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
I remind you of your oath of office sir. You have chosen to mock
a Consular veto. You knew full well from the subject line that it
was a Consular veto when you did so.
Would you, if arguing before the Supreme Court, make a mockery of
some awkward wording by the Chief Justice? Or make a mockery of
the President of the United States when he is speaking in his
official capacity? Our Consuls are our highest magistrates vested
with Imperium, and you have chosen to mock a Consular veto.
By your oath as Legatus you are sworn to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma. Your mockery of the Senior Consul
is an insult not only to our republic, but to your word as a
magistrate, and as a Roman citizen.
I deplore you sir.
-- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:27:43 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:53:28 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>"
<richmal@attbi.com> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius
> Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> > <richmal@a...> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > > have an independent
> > > press that is not subject to the political
> whimsy of
> > > various
> > > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > > Senate.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Q. Cassius Calvus
> > >
> > Salve,
> > Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is
> currenty
> > liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> > "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible
> suits,
> > Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> > Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver
> the
> > product. As long as that is the situation the
> Board of
> > Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> > Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates)
> would be
> > remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> > Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> > side of the "Eagle"
>
> I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood
> me. This veto
> shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the
> treasury. The Eagle
> should be either breaking even or adding to the
> treasury not a slow
> bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The
> Eagle remains
> virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such
> as it is) of the
> treasury its existance remains problematic. All it
> takes is one
> article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like
> (ie a historical
> article that undermines a political position) and
> voila one
> intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its
> source of operating
> funds.
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
If a magistrate attempted that he would need a
majority of the Tribunes of the Plebs at his beck and
call because that action would be a clear violation of
Section II B 4 of the Constitution.
"The right to participate in all public forums and
discussions, and the right to reasonably expect such
forums to be supported by the State. Such
communications, regardless of their content, may not
be restricted by the State, except where they
represent an imminent and clear danger to the
Republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be
expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests
of maintaining order and civility"
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:21:10 -0800 |
|
Avete Q. Cassius et Omnes,
I do not think it would be that easy, for moneys are set aside to the Eagle once a year. That happens to be done at the budgetary hearing which happens around Oct/Nov. every year. I do not think any magistrate would take such drastic action to prevent funds from being sent to the Eagle, but I do view it as a possibility which should be looked into.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:23:59 -0800 |
|
Ave Propraetor,
If you wanted to help your boss help him with his language skills in drafting items of importance like Vetos.
Do not get upset at a citizen voicing satire at the expense of the Consul. This type of thing has happened every year since NR has been founded and will continue long after Consul Fabius is no longer in office.
So instead of putting a citizen down, use your role as a staff member of Consul Fabius and proof his posts before he sends them out to the ML.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:17 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves
> a decison that involves a decision that The Senate is at the
> moment discussing.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
I remind you of your oath of office sir. You have chosen to mock
a Consular veto. You knew full well from the subject line that it
was a Consular veto when you did so.
Would you, if arguing before the Supreme Court, make a mockery of
some awkward wording by the Chief Justice? Or make a mockery of
the President of the United States when he is speaking in his
official capacity? Our Consuls are our highest magistrates vested
with Imperium, and you have chosen to mock a Consular veto.
By your oath as Legatus you are sworn to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma. Your mockery of the Senior Consul
is an insult not only to our republic, but to your word as a
magistrate, and as a Roman citizen.
I deplore you sir.
-- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:18:01 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> If a magistrate attempted that he would need a
> majority of the Tribunes of the Plebs at his beck and
> call because that action would be a clear violation of
> Section II B 4 of the Constitution.
>
Salve,
You're correct, but I don't see a Tribunal "override" of another
magistrate's intercesso being likely to happen unless it were a
matter of grave importance.
Reason one: Given the nature of politic climates where the dominant
political view of the moment tends to be shared by a majority of
elected magistrates (this is true macro nationally as well as Nova
Roma) its likely as not a majority of the Tribunes would be of the
same political persuasion as the official issuing the intercesso.
Reason two: Given the precedent during the Gens Reform flap of
Tribunes NOT overriding another magistrate's intercesso, I would
hardly be assured that the Tribunes would override another
magistrate's intercesso in a matter of far less importance and
divisiveness such as funding The Eagle.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:34:42 -0800 |
|
Avete Omnes,
Just let me state that I also agree with the sentiments of Senator Lucius Sicinius Drusus. There is no reason to resign. You cannot win every battle. Don't let the actions of a few higher magistrates damage your dignitas by resigning. Show the People that you will continue to abide by your Oath.
Continue developing the Eagle, the People will appreciate it and respect you more and in the end your dignitas will increase!
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: John Walzer
To: Stephen Gallagher
Cc: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:01 PM
Subject: Fw: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
I second the opinion of L. Sicinius Drusus. You are obviously sincere in the execution of your duties, as indicated by the passionate defense of your actions, posted to this group, and Nova Roma would be much the poorer for your loss.
Vale, Lucius
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Sicinius Drusus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:
SNIP
>
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
Tiberius Galerius,
I for one would hate to see you leave your office. You
have been the most energetic Curator we have had in
some time. We need more people like you. I really did
like your idea to finance the Eagle, and I will do
what I can in assisting you in bringing it about.
L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:43:23 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>"
<richmal@attbi.com> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius
> Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> > If a magistrate attempted that he would need a
> > majority of the Tribunes of the Plebs at his beck
> and
> > call because that action would be a clear
> violation of
> > Section II B 4 of the Constitution.
> >
> Salve,
>
> You're correct, but I don't see a Tribunal
> "override" of another
> magistrate's intercesso being likely to happen
> unless it were a
> matter of grave importance.
>
> Reason one: Given the nature of politic climates
> where the dominant
> political view of the moment tends to be shared by a
> majority of
> elected magistrates (this is true macro nationally
> as well as Nova
> Roma) its likely as not a majority of the Tribunes
> would be of the
> same political persuasion as the official issuing
> the intercesso.
>
> Reason two: Given the precedent during the Gens
> Reform flap of
> Tribunes NOT overriding another magistrate's
> intercesso, I would
> hardly be assured that the Tribunes would override
> another
> magistrate's intercesso in a matter of far less
> importance and
> divisiveness such as funding The Eagle.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
The Veto during the Gens debate was Legal. The Consuls
have the right to Veto based on policy. The Tribunes
Veto is different. They are charged with looking at
the legality of an action, not at the question of
agreeing or dis agreeing with the policy. As long as a
Consular action dosen't violate the law or the
Constitution the Tribunes are powerless to veto it no
matter how strongly they disagree with it.
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>" <gawne@cesmail.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:54:28 -0000 |
|
L. Cornelius Sulla writes:
[concerning my rebuke addressed to Legatus Agricola]
> Ave Propraetor,
>
> If you wanted to help your boss help him with his language skills
> in drafting items of importance like Vetos.
Had the Senior Consul asked his advisors for any help or assistance
in drafting that veto, I'd gladly have provided such, Consular.
As I mentioned last night, I'd have offered certain other advice had
it been asked too. But as far as I know the Senior Consul acted
entirely on his own in this matter, as is his perogative.
> Do not get upset at a citizen voicing satire at the expense of the
> Consul.
A privatus citizen is welcome to voice all the satire he may wish.
In this case I took issue with an oath sworn magistrate clearly
disregarding his oath "to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma." While it's entirely
appropriate for another magistrate to question a veto, mockery
falls outside the bounds of supporting our republic.
That oath binds me, it binds you, and it binds the Legatus, though
he seems to have forgotten.
> So instead of putting a citizen down, use your role as a staff
> member of Consul Fabius and proof his posts before he sends them
> out to the ML.
That's not how Consul Fabius uses his staff, Consular. We don't
preapprove his posts to this or any other list.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Get ready to vote in the election! |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:14:06 +0100 |
|
Salvete Plebeian citizens!
Just a quick reminder that the voting for the 2 open positions of Tribune
will begin within the hour at 18:01 Roman time, 12:01 noon EST and 9:00 am
Pacific Time. To the people in other time zones: sorry that I didn't include
yours!
Below is an email I wrote before the last run-off. New citizens should read
it!
Why is this vote important? Because the Tribunes represent you in the
government of Nova Roma!
What does a Tribune do? Very simply put:
1)The Tribunes need to know the Constitution of Nova Roma and her laws to
make sure that no new laws are passed that are unconstitutional. The
Tribunes keep an eye on the big boys (the Senate, the Consuls, or any other
magistrate :-))), so that the rights of the people are not compromised. The
Tribunes have the right of vetoing the actions of any other magistrate, but
in order to actually veto something, the majority of the Tribunes have to be
in agreement. This is why 5 Tribunes are necessary: we also need a 'balance
of power' within the Tribunate itself.
2) The Tribunes can also propose new laws, which will then be voted upon by
all of the citizens of Nova Roma. Two of last year's Tribunes, Gnaeus Salix
Astur and Marcus Arminius Maior were quite active in this area.
3) The Tribunes also report what is being discussed in the Senate. Tribune
Marcus Marcius Rex will be posting the second Senate report of 2756 within
a week or so.
4) The Tribunes also organize the elections for the Plebeian offices
(Plebeian Aediles and Tribunes of the Plebs), which is why I am sending you
this email :-) It's time to vote for your favorite Tribune candidate!
5) And if any of the citizens are having any Nova Roma troubles, the
Tribunes are always available to help.
And lastly, on behalf of this year's current Tribunes, the best of luck to
the 4 candidates in this run-off election. We look forward to welcoming 2 of
you to the team!
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:16:34 -0800 |
|
Avete Omnes,
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:54 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
L. Cornelius Sulla writes:
[concerning my rebuke addressed to Legatus Agricola]
> Ave Propraetor,
>
> If you wanted to help your boss help him with his language skills
> in drafting items of importance like Vetos.
Had the Senior Consul asked his advisors for any help or assistance
in drafting that veto, I'd gladly have provided such, Consular.
As I mentioned last night, I'd have offered certain other advice had
it been asked too. But as far as I know the Senior Consul acted
entirely on his own in this matter, as is his perogative.
Sulla: Then the blame lies soley with the Senior Consul. Doesn't it?
> Do not get upset at a citizen voicing satire at the expense of the
> Consul.
A privatus citizen is welcome to voice all the satire he may wish.
In this case I took issue with an oath sworn magistrate clearly
disregarding his oath "to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma." While it's entirely
appropriate for another magistrate to question a veto, mockery
falls outside the bounds of supporting our republic.
That oath binds me, it binds you, and it binds the Legatus, though
he seems to have forgotten.
Sulla: I have taken an Oath too, many times....and it has never precluded me from speaking my mind in the event that I disagree with a magistrate. Just as in the examples you have posted above, our ex-Presidents are willing to criticize the current sitting President. Beyond that fact, our constitution allows Legatus Agricola the ability to speak his mind, and he chose to do so. Consul Fabius is not the State. He is a representative of the State, not immune from criticism or satire.
> So instead of putting a citizen down, use your role as a staff
> member of Consul Fabius and proof his posts before he sends them
> out to the ML.
That's not how Consul Fabius uses his staff, Consular. We don't
preapprove his posts to this or any other list.
Sulla: Then maybe he should re-evaulate the needs and responsibilities of his staff in an effort to prevent more criticisms of his posts.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:51:46 -0500 |
|
Salvete Romani:
The honorable Quintus raises a valid point. May I make a suggestion? Would the establishment of an editorial board, similar to that of most major newspapers, resolve this issue to the satisfaction of the honorable Quintus? Such a board would ensure that the conservatives/liberals would not use the Eagle as a vehicle for partisan propaganda and we could stop wallowing in trifles and make the paper a going concern.
Would such a proposition find support in the Senate? Please, Senators, I welcome your input. Also, I would most certainly welcome the opinions of the honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:47:17 -0500 |
|
Salvete Romani!
May I make a suggestion? Re: the Eagle, could we establish an editorial board, similar to that of most major newspapers? This would address the honorable Quintus' concerns that the paper could become a vehicle for conservative/liberal views. C'mon, guys (gals), let's set pretension aside, be practical, and make this a going concern!
I'd appreciate the views of the honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
Valete
(as unpretentiously as possible) L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:43:02 -0800 |
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Avete Omnes,
I think in the future this will be a good idea. But if I recall correctly the Eagle only has about 60 subscribers and it just simply would not be neccessary to create additional bureaucracy.
Remember we have yet to do the Census. That will probably drop our Roles to somewhere around 300-400 true citizens.
I think that we should add this into the "plan" that Legatus Agricola and others are discussing on the Sesterius list as a possible objective to achieve.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: John Walzer
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salvete Romani:
The honorable Quintus raises a valid point. May I make a suggestion? Would the establishment of an editorial board, similar to that of most major newspapers, resolve this issue to the satisfaction of the honorable Quintus? Such a board would ensure that the conservatives/liberals would not use the Eagle as a vehicle for partisan propaganda and we could stop wallowing in trifles and make the paper a going concern.
Would such a proposition find support in the Senate? Please, Senators, I welcome your input. Also, I would most certainly welcome the opinions of the honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:01:48 -0600 (CST) |
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Salve Senator Corneli,
> Had the Senior Consul asked his advisors for any help or assistance
> in drafting that veto, I'd gladly have provided such, Consular.
> Sulla: Then the blame lies soley with the Senior Consul. Doesn't it?
"blame"? An odd choice of words, considering that Consul Fabius has
done absolutely nothing wrong, shameful, undignified, or inappropriate.
It would be more appropriate to say that the "credit" for the veto
belongs solely to the Senior Consul.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Return |
| From: |
"Lucius Mauricius Procopious <lespeterson@yahoo.com>" <lespeterson@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:24:17 -0000 |
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Salvete Omnes!
I have my affairs in order to the point that I am now prepared to re-
appear here in Nova Roma. I hope that you will allow me to apologize
for my lack of participation the last few months of my terms as
Propraetor and Tribune. I kept my eye on the Tribunes list and the
Provincial list in case of emergency but did not participate. Please
accept my assurance that my personal life was in disorder to the
point that I was no longer a functional asset for Nova Roma. I have
been able to restore enough order to my life that I have the
resources to continue my participation in our great nation. I have
been honored by my propraetrix beyond what I deserve in her offer of
a legate-ship. I accept and hope this is an oportunity for me to make
amends for "dropping the ball" at the end of my service. Thank you
for this chance to serve.
I, Lucius Mauricius Procopious (M.L.Peterson) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of Julilla Sempronia Magna while I hold this office, except
when such action would be illegal or unconstitutional.
I, Lucius Mauricius Procopious (M.L.Peterson) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and Rresponsibilities of the office of
Legatus, America Boreoccidentalis Maior:Regio I - Vasintonia
Boreoccidentalis to the best of my abilities while following the
Roman virtues and ideals.
I, Lucius Mauricius Procopious (M.L.Peterson) swear to give faithful
service to my magistrate, and not to divulge any information
discussed in confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the
discretion of my magistrate. On my honor as a Citizen of Nova
Roma,and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman
people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of
Legatus, America Boreoccidentalis Maior: Regio I - Vasintonia
Boreoccidentalis with all the privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Given under my hand A.D. X Kal. Martias MMDCCLVI
AUC in the
Consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus
Labienus Fortunatus.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Legatus, America Boreoccidentalis Maior
Regio I - Vasintonia Boreoccidentalis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Testament of Malkhos |
| From: |
bradley Skene <malkhos@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:47:58 -0800 (PST) |
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I was raised in some vague offshoot of the Protestant sect founded by John Calvin. My parents rarely attended the services, certianly did not beleive in it, but sent me for some years to the Sunday School, where I was taught pathetic theology and philosophy by pathetic men and women.
By the time I was 9 years old I had determined that the proper course to follow was that of materialist atheism. But at the same time I was filled with curiosity to find out the truth, the truth that lay behind what little I had been shown of the spiritual world (I seemd to know by some instinct that there was something more), the truth that would expose the falseness and insufficency of those who had failedto teach me.
In college I set out to take the courses for chemical engineering, since that seemed an advantageous profession, and one suited to a scientifically mindied atheist. But I also took history courses becuase I was intersted in them. I soon found that I had such a monomania for historical research that I was reading historical texts even while actually attending the chemistry lectures. I changed the course of my studies to conform to the new my new view of reality. I determined to fix on the Renaissance since the kindly and jovial personality of my teacher in that field, Willaim Maltby, had made a tremendous impression on me. Also the figures that I studied, the Kings and Generals of the Catholic Renaissance--Charles V, Philip II, Don Juan of Austria, The Dukes of Alba and Parma--seemed admirable to me because of their unswavering devotion to purity of doctrine; however much in error I beleived them to be: their faith impressed me.
Then I read Plato.
On his teaching he seemed as if he were showing my own thoughts to me, thoughts which were nobler and finer than any I had ever had, but which were living unkown within me. And the substance of his teaching explained why this was so: he was merely revealing the substance our own divine natures, which the prison house of the body kept us form seeing. I still did not yet believe him, but I recognized that here at last was what lay beneath Christianity and everything else I had been seeking after--I still took this not in a spiritual sense, but in the sense of historical causation.
I knew that Plato was what I had to study, but in the Renaissance, his philosophy had become very fractured: Hermeticism, Kabbalah of various sorts, sufism, magic. The life's work (and he had a very short life) of the greatest philosopher of the period, Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, Prince of Concord, was to attempt to call together a Grand council of Christian, Jewish, and Islamic theologians, to create a new faith unifying all three on the basis of their common Neoplatonic theology. I determined that I would write as my Ph.D. dissertaion a translation and commentary of the program he had prepared for the conference (never called becuase the Pope put him under house arrest rather than permit it)--900 theses for debate and a plenary address: The Oration on the Dignity of Man (a poject which I did not then, but will someday, complete). Obviously I would haveto know Latin, and as I had started my historical studies quite late, I took an MA in Classics.
Once I could read Greek, and had read Plato, and the New Testament, and Sophocles, and Homer, and many other works in Greek, it was farewell to the Renaissance.
It was also farwell to atheism. It slowly dawned on me that to think and believe as Plato had done increased rather than lessened my dignity, so I did so, but as a philosophy only, not yet as a faith, except as a pose in debate with my fellow Ph.D. candidates, either atheists, Christians so far lapsed into hedonism and indiffernce that they were nothing Augustine or Paul would have recognized, or Fundamentalists preachers, gaining a real degree in Greek so that they could teach at their sectarian seminaries.
My sympathies veered toward Gnosticism at this time. The translation of Plato's teachings into a more mythic form, a form expressed in the myths of the semitic peoples (and I do not mean only Judaism--once one becomes acainted with the mytholgoiesof Babylon and Ugarit everything about judiam is seen in a new light and takes on a new meaning) seemed perilously beautiful. Here at last, knowledge began to transform into belief. It will come as no suprise to anyone reading this that every human life is filled with suffering, and all the more so those lives cut off from spiritual refreshment. I certainly had my share--I mean the interior pain of lonliness, isolation and exile, too dull and pervasive for most to percieve under its proper name. It finally occured to me that the Grace of the Wisdom of God was meant heal this, and as best as I am able to tell, even now many years later, that is what happened to me in a moment of revelation. I can still recall the exact instant it happened. I seemed to be filled up with a new life, infinitely greater and more spelndid than the one I had known. It is a cliche to say the experince cannot be expailned in words, but I can offer you this much idea of it: go and listen to the Pilgrim's Chorus from Wagner's Tannhauser and imagine feeling the way that sounds. I happend to have been in a coffe house talking to a girl at the time, and I mistakenly thought that I had fallen in love with her! It was the same kind of experience. I no longer recognize in memories from before that time the person I was.
Shortly before this I had undergone a surgery which was badly botched and almost died. I realized then that I had to go and pour a libation of thanksgiving to the Gods for having preserved my life for that moment, the moment when I realized I was of the same religion as Plato, Iamblichus, Julian and Proclus.
I have never encountered anyone else who shares this faith, certianly not in the profession of Classics, the very people who are trained to best udnerstand these matters, at least outwardly. That is why I met with honest joy the Nova Roma movement, of which I became aware only a few days ago now. When I read on the Julian Society list that someone in the world is planning to make a temple to Hekate, and already has a cult statue, I quite literally wept, and became excited and exhilirated at the thought of perfoming sacrifice there, something I have never done, and which I never thought it would be possible to do. I still, obviously have much to learn about you, and hopefully in dialog with you, but I thought the best wat to proceed would be to introduce myself in the way that I have, especially in view of the fact that when the Gods save us, they also command us to leave testimony to the fact in their houses. This list is not a temple, but it may be a start.
I have one more thing to testify to.
I am married to a woman named Rita (not the girl mentioned above), who is a Roman Catholic, of extremly traditonal tastes and orthodox leanings--a position I once toyed with, but know now I can never assume. Last year she concieved our daughter Sophia, who died in the womb one day before labor was going to be induced (a fatal blood-clot formed in the placenta--the poor thing was perfectly well up until the last moment and then died, probably in the space of only a minute). You can imagine how shattering this was, especially for Rita--I have prepared myself for suffering through the intensive study of philosophy, but this tested my indiffernce and reserve, Rita, however, is possessed of an innocence that is indescribably beautiful, but left her terrbily vulnerable. I feared for her sanity. Rita went through all the rituals of aid and comfort presrcibed by her Church. I prayed to Apollo that he might save my wife and child, and vowed to repay him as best I could. Now just over a year later Rita seems restored (and she is pregnant again with a boy I hope to name Julian) and I have every faith that Sophia is in as blessed a state as she may be. It would be easy to say that time heals all wounds, I have decided (and I do not decive myself that faith is not in some sense and existential decision--asfter all we do live in the modern world) that the proposition that I and my family expereince the Grace of Apollo is a more meaningful description. Since that time I honoured the God with libations, and have done and will libate and leave a offering of flowers on Sophia's grave each year on the Rosalia (last year the first day that Rita could bear to return to the cemetary after the funeral).
This brings up some ciritcal problems that I feel I have to address, not by dogmatic statements that I have no authority to make, but in discussion with the members of this list whom i hope believe as I do.
The proper recompense I owe to Apollo is sacrifice. The reasons I have not yet done so are deeply troubling to me, and I think must be considered seriously by anyone who loves the gods.
First let me say something further about my studies. I have completed all of the course work for a Ph.D. in classics, and am a specialist in Neoplatonism and Greek magic. For personal reasons that have been partly alluded to above, I am on hiatus from a formal degree program, but have been working as a Greek instructor. I have published articles and reviews in these fields in peer-reviewd journals, and will have a spate of new articles published at the end of next summer. I have a draft of a dissertation dealing with Iamblichus' dialog with Christianity in his Pythagorean Life (the on-line name I use, Malkhos, was the given name of the Neoplatonist Porphyry, a man of Semitic cultural origin). I do not think of myself in any way as a hemicaust crack-pot, but I know that if most classicists read what I have written here, they would be dismissive.
I am now going to raise a series of objections that I feel have to be answered, and which, if the answers are going to be meaningful have to be answered together, not just by me and my own reason. I do not mean to be a smart ass or to offend anyone's beleifs. But the Socratic method of finding the truth employs discussion, and I feel strongly that the points I will make are the ones that are going to have to be discussed if any kind of resurrection of ancient religion is to be made, as I fervently hope it can. I know that some 'pagan' lists I have looked at go so far as to say that if you criticize anyone's beliefs you will be banned from the list. I never said anything about it but just left, because I took it as a signal that the people were not serious. If you seriously believe something, your belief can sustain criticism. There also seemed little point in believing in soemthing that you either did not care to defend, or tacitly admitted was indefensible.
1. In Antiquity religion was a communal act: the very word means 'binding together' and it was the force that bound the city into a sacred whole. Corespondingly, the exercise of religion depended on the common practice of all citizens together. Anyone who purseued a strange religion or practiced reilgious ritual for private inscrutible ends was liable to charges of superstition and magic. The very indictment agianst Socrates charged him with worshipping Gods other than the city's. If you had approached someone in antiquity, even a priest or philsopher, and asked him how his religion could be sustained in a state that was secular and atheistic, he would have told you it could not. A specific cult had been established by the Gods, wither in prehsitory or through divination or revelation and its existence depended on its communal suport nad its continuous operation. If it ever ceased to exist or operate, this was a further sign from the gods that that cult should end. For example, the cult of Jupiter Dolinecheas was in late antiquity almost as popular throughout the Roman Empire as the worship of Mithras, but, once the Persians sacked and burned the temple at Dolinecheum, it was abandoned everywhere else on the grounds that if a God was too weak to defend his own temple, what good was he. This kind of reasoning applied to individual cults; no ancient person could have imagined all cults ceasing silmultaneously (until it happened), or how the whole aparatus could be revived after 1500 years of lapse of worhsip. At one time I considered converting to Parsism, the last remnant of the ancient Zoroastrian religion (still surviving among Iranian emingrants in India and spread from there recetly to a few other places around the world) and the last trace of any ancient religin not related to Judeo-Christianity. But they don't accept converts; they want to protect the purity of their unbroken tradition by limiting it to ethnic Iranians, and I can't blame them. But, and here is the question, how can we say we follow a religion based in tradition after so long a cesation of tradition? Obviously we must find some way. I trust that it can be some way other than to invent a buch of fraudulent nonsense offensive to reason, as the Wiccans, Theosophists, Druids, and others have done. I feel strongly that only way is to revive the ancient cults in the purest possible form (which is why I felt also trememdous relief when I saw the photos of the cult image of Hekate posted here--it looks like a real cult image, not like a hollywood or kitsch idea of a cult image). The revival of cultic practice per se, is not really so diffcult, though it would take much work, the problem is finding a theological justification or explanation to bridge those lost 15 centuries. The best hope I can see comes from Iamblichus, whose theurgic doctrines form a link between ordianry cultic practice and the essentially private religious practices that we would be forced to today. I expect I will have rather more to say about that later, if my contributions turn out to be welcome here. Indeed the only reason I am writing now, is becuase reading the De mysteriis has recently made my own thinking on this subject much more flexible.
As I find out more about Nova Roma, it seems as if it is attempting to provide a viable platform for sacrifice.
2. I don't know what the attitude here is toward the word 'pagan', but I will venture to offer my own opinion. In antiquity paganus was someone from the countryside, someone likely to be unsophsiticated, ignornat, old-fashioned: a hill-billy or red-neck. The church fathers had the brillant idea of applying this term to anyone they suppsoed lacked the wisdom and sophsitication to convert ot Christinaity, who insisted on adhereing to what Christians considered an out-moded form of religion. Becuase of this historical etymology, classicsits have not for a long time now not refered to Graeco-Roman religion as 'paganism.' I certianly will never use this term to refer to myself, and think any one else who wanted to revivie non-Judaeo-Christian reigion would be wise to do likewise. In my view we should use the same kind of formualtions found in Julian and other ancient writers who were first faced with defining as particular what had been universal. In controversy with Christians, Julian most often refered to himself as a Greek; probably we would more like say Roman. We should say that we follow the faith of our ancestors, that we worship the Gods, or that we are pious.
3. The revival of ancient religion is always going to seem mad and pointless to the mass of soceity, whther they are Christians, Atheists, or whatever. For example, I have already seen the Julian Society ridiculed on an American Philogoical Association list, supposedly for the lack of learning displayed in some Web article or annoucnement the author had seen, although it was clear he had not invenstigated the matter clsoely enough to form an accurate judgement; the derision was reflexive. For this reason, I think anyone attempting such a revival has to be absolutely beyond reproach in terms of intellectual, aesthetic, and moral legitimacy--as one would be any way who followed the ancient traditions. There are a few obvious errors that could easily be avoided. a. Anyone who has read Plato knows that the creation myth in the Timaeus and his various allusions to Atlantis are what we would call today thought experiments--he never intended them to become dogmatic articles of faith. So there would be no reason, for example, for any follower of Plato to act in a manner similar to many American Indians and Christian fundamentialsits and deny Evolution--one should also bear in mind all of the damage done to the popualr opinion of Americna Indian religion by the interfernce by some Indians in the name of that religion in archaeological and other scientific research. b.Thomas Taylor seems to have a good reputation here, and I can see why, since his aim is the same as ours; personally I have a great deal of affection and sympathy for him. But he made himself look ridiculous by, for example, denying the validity even of Newtonian phyiscs, even of Galileo's observations of craters on the moon and the moons of Jupiter (see previous item). Also his Greek was very bad, and his translations give a very imperfect idea of the texts he was dealing with. Since all of the important books he translated have been given modern schoalrly versions, some of them quite recently (I may well post a bibliographical list here, if anyone is intrested). There is absolutely no need to rely for our knwoledge of ancient religious texts on Taylor's translations, nor for our interpretation and understanding of them on figures of nebulous learning, and possesed of mtoives and agendas that have nothing to do with ancient traditions: e.g. G.R.S. Meade, MacGregor Mathers, A.E. Waite; Mme. Blavatsky, Alester Crowley. Jung, Kerenyi, and von Franz, Joseph Campbell, etc. We should instead read: Plato, Plutarch, Pausanius, Julian, Homer, Sophocles, etc. with as little imtermediation as possible.
4. Many modern people have been loyal to the Gods wither more or less openly or in their hearts, but lacking any integrated structure of traditional worship, remained isolated and alienated in this regard. If these persons have also attained the greatest intellectual and artistic acheivements, they are the ones whose examples we should follow and make known to others. Good examples of this sort of person would be: Goethe, Keats, Wagner.
I hope I have seemed too overbearing or bombastic. I have merely set forth what I believe, and how I intend to act. I hope to find here at least a few of similar mind. If you find what I have said provocative, I hope you are stimualted to discussion.
I have for a long time now considered myself a Roman rather than an American or anything else, and so am disposed to join Nova Roma, but would appreciate some response from civites or magistrates, or memebers of the Julian list, whethery they consider my motives and intentions compatible with theirs.
warmest regards,
Malkhos
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[Nova-Roma] My first vote |
| From: |
Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:22:00 -0800 (PST) |
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I wish to announce that I have just cast my first vote
as a citizen of Nova Roma.
L. Metellus Berkeliensis
=====
Chris. Mortimer
"OM AH HUNG BEZAR GURU PEMA SIDDHI HUNG"
The Vajra Guru Mantra
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RE: [Nova-Roma] What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:34:57 -0600 |
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Your typical 2 cents worth. Go back to attending your website of self
glorification, fuzzy bear.
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:03 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What Latin word can I use for pound that was used
in ancient Rome?
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 02:13:19PM -0600, jlasalle wrote:
> "'Something like that' is in the general area, yes. I presume this is an
> indication of your extensive education that you keep telling us about?"
>
> Thats off the top of my head. I learned latin in college and I don't
> speak it everyday. Stop presuming anything about me.
And the reason you think I would listen to your maunderings phrased as
orders is?... You have no influence on what I do, and no way to gain
any. Feel free to puff and blow, though; you can't make yourself look
any more foolish than you already have - it's simply not possible.
> Evidently you must be off
> moderated status, judging from your long, welcome silence.
Your preoccupation with moderated status seems quite apropos. Did your
Nursey tell you to go stand in the corner this past week for being a bad
boy and give you a complex? In fact, I would have expected the list
moderators to kick you off a long time ago, but I suspect they don't
want to soil their shoes.
> Ordinarily you
> are sane, but it appears you have lucid moments when you are only
stupid.
Why, thank you; it must be lucidity indeed if even a gormless wad of
pseudo-sentient protoplasm like you manages to recognize it. You,
unfortunately, have *no* lucid moments: the regurgitated vomitus you
spout is, without doubt, the most uniformly boringly senseless droning
I've ever heard (although it _is_ highly reminiscent of cow flatus in
tone and content.) Is there some Git-to-English dictionary people should
use to read you, or is it a lost cause (as I firmly believe) from the
start?
> "Why don't you first give us all an example by donating 10% of all your
> profits to Nova Roma, and stop badgering others until you do?"
>
> I don't need NR or any of its citizens
Believe me, neither NR nor any of its citizens need you any more than
they need septicemia. Oh, wait - I'm being unkind to virulent
microorganisms by comparing them with you: they poison their host system
*quietly*...
> , least of all your rotten malice, to
<smile> Try not to project your own attitudes onto other people. The
twisting psychedelic fog of your drug haze will still remain, but there
will be at least _one_ tiny clear window onto the world in the loony bin
of what you laughably term your mind.
> practice law. Therefore, I owe nothing to NR from my private life,
except
> what the SPQR asks. Citizens, whose only purpose here, is to leech
> information for use in private endeavors and personal profit should have
the
> courtesy to offer compensation, instead of acting the shamless parasite.
Ah - so now you're going to rate cives by your own scale, and you're
going to enforce your rating by attacking those who don't pass your
inspection. Is there a magistrate here who would care to speak to this
issue - to this criminal practice of prejudice-driven violence?
> So, I ask you real nice, to lay off.
<laugh> Your understanding of "nice" must be fascinating to
xenobiologists. Feel free to post again when you've learned to speak a
human language; until then, go play in your sandpile.
> I'm sure biojournalism can answer my
> "badgering" herself.
The point is, why should anyone here have to? Nova Roma is not a place
where cives should have to defend themselves from badgering and whining
demands for money by random self-inflated windbags.
> Your incessant inanities are tiresome. I'd call you a
> sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead
horse.
<Yawn> Did you have to search the Internet for a long time to find that?
Good grief, you couldn't find anyone better to steal from than Woody
Allen... that's _really_ scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Poor thing, whatever shred of originality you may have once had has
rotted away in your leech-like, blood-sucking pursuits. Go on - I _dare_
you to come up with an original insult. Take a year; take several.
HINT: It takes *wit*, which you do not possess and have no way to steal
from your poor deluded clients' wallets. It may be possible to fake
intelligence for a time - you did for a bit, even though the level has
consistently been abysmally low - but you can't fake wit. Keep trying,
though - you're half-way there.
> I look foreward to your next e-mail, as they are always good for a
laugh. I
> might even read it.
Whether or not you read it - or, more precisely, have it read to you,
since your loose-lipped vacuity precludes the possibility of your being
able to read - is of no concern to me. All I'm interested in is warning
other Nova Romani that a pile of you is lying in the road so they don't
step in it.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Caelum, non animum mutant, qui trans mare currunt.
The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
-- Horace, "Epistulae"
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:41:01 -0500 |
|
Salvete Romani!
May I make a suggestion re: the Eagle? Would it be possible to establish an editorial board, similar to that of most major newspapers? This would address the concerns of Quintus Cassius that the Eagle, if properly financed, would become a partisan vehicle. C'mon guys (and gals), if we want to make the paper a going concern, we've got to get past all the pretension, and get on with it.
I'd certainly welcome the views of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus on this issue.
Valete
(as unpretentiously as possible), L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:37:40 -0600 |
|
Ave
Nerva has summed it up nicely. It appears as if Tiberius was sandbagged.
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Walzer [mailto:jwalzer5@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:44 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Stephen Gallagher
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your
Patronage"
Salvete:
Although I acknowledge your authority in this area, there is no excuse
for your not making your position known sooner. Such a decision has caused
unconscionable embarrasment to the Honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
In accordance with Section V. B. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, I
propose that the Senate clarify and, once and for all, codify, in a manner
understandable to the citizenry of Nova Roma, the vital issue of taxation:
how and in what manner it should be assesed and collected. This a grey area
that needs to be addressed if we are ever to be a viable entity.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it comes to the Eagle,
this is well and good, but it is the Senate that takes all decisons
about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
Because of the present discussion in the Senate about a modification
of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main issues I must VETO
item 3. (below) in your latest message according to the power given
to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decison about such longtime undertakings and it would be to
anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow such a project on your
part.
>3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff and I have
>rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF PATRONS
>
>If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
>to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.
>
>Clines (client) Level I 50.00
Donation
>Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00
Donation
>Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00
Donation
>Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
>Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation
>
>"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question
>
>If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
>One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.
>
>If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a two years
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level.
>
>If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
>naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"
>
>If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
>resident artist.
>
>If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a three
>year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
>dedicated to YOU
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:46:52 -0600 |
|
It shouldn't be tolerated. Don't let that scare you off. If you voice a
strong opinion here, you're likely to draw out some psychotic shut-in
linux-hermit who has nothing better to do than write vitriolic e-mails. It
just goes with the internet. The vast majority of citizens are intelligent,
kind, and truly good at heart.
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: malkhos <malkhos@yahoo.com> [mailto:malkhos@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:54 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used
in ancient Rome?
The answer to the immediate question in libera; and it is not
surprising that it has caused some uncertianity, althought it must
have been a common word and has well known Romances descendents
(livre in French; the stylized 'L' monogram used to denoted the
British pound) it was not a common literary word: it does not, I
beleive occur in Lewis' Elementary, but is the first defintion given
in the OLD.
More widely, however, I have just discovered Nova Roma and am greatly
intersted in joining, but I have been for a few days monitoring the
posts here and on some of the other lists. The string of replies to
this rather innocent question contians appaling bitterness; and I
have seen simialr bad manners elsewhere. Is this sort of thing common
here? If so, why is it tolerated?
Malkhos
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "biojournalism
<biojournalism@h...>" <biojournalism@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> Can someone tell me the Roman (Latin) word for measuring by the
> pound? Sample sentence, "Masinissa wants 5,000 pounds of gold,
3,000
> pounds of pepper, 30,000 pounds of silver and 4,000 tunics of silk."
> What word can I substitute for pound to mean a similar unit of
> measurement such as a pound of silver or a pound of beans? My novel
> takes place 150 BCE in Rome and with Cato and Scipio in Numidia.
>
>
> Octavia
|
| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Testament of Malkhos |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:04:12 -0600 |
|
An interesting journey. My condolences to you for your lost daughter. I've
always considered the pantheon of Greco_Roman Gods to represent the full
spectrum of human existence, emotion, logic, and experience. And much more
sensible than Christianity.
to gar autou noien estin te kai enai
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: bradley Skene [mailto:malkhos@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:48 AM
To: JulianSociety@yahoogroups.com; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Testament of Malkhos
I was raised in some vague offshoot of the Protestant sect founded by John
Calvin. My parents rarely attended the services, certianly did not beleive
in it, but sent me for some years to the Sunday School, where I was taught
pathetic theology and philosophy by pathetic men and women.
By the time I was 9 years old I had determined that the proper course to
follow was that of materialist atheism. But at the same time I was filled
with curiosity to find out the truth, the truth that lay behind what little
I had been shown of the spiritual world (I seemd to know by some instinct
that there was something more), the truth that would expose the falseness
and insufficency of those who had failedto teach me.
In college I set out to take the courses for chemical engineering, since
that seemed an advantageous profession, and one suited to a scientifically
mindied atheist. But I also took history courses becuase I was intersted in
them. I soon found that I had such a monomania for historical research that
I was reading historical texts even while actually attending the chemistry
lectures. I changed the course of my studies to conform to the new my new
view of reality. I determined to fix on the Renaissance since the kindly and
jovial personality of my teacher in that field, Willaim Maltby, had made a
tremendous impression on me. Also the figures that I studied, the Kings and
Generals of the Catholic Renaissance--Charles V, Philip II, Don Juan of
Austria, The Dukes of Alba and Parma--seemed admirable to me because of
their unswavering devotion to purity of doctrine; however much in error I
beleived them to be: their faith impressed me.
Then I read Plato.
On his teaching he seemed as if he were showing my own thoughts to me,
thoughts which were nobler and finer than any I had ever had, but which were
living unkown within me. And the substance of his teaching explained why
this was so: he was merely revealing the substance our own divine natures,
which the prison house of the body kept us form seeing. I still did not yet
believe him, but I recognized that here at last was what lay beneath
Christianity and everything else I had been seeking after--I still took this
not in a spiritual sense, but in the sense of historical causation.
I knew that Plato was what I had to study, but in the Renaissance, his
philosophy had become very fractured: Hermeticism, Kabbalah of various
sorts, sufism, magic. The life's work (and he had a very short life) of the
greatest philosopher of the period, Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, Prince of
Concord, was to attempt to call together a Grand council of Christian,
Jewish, and Islamic theologians, to create a new faith unifying all three on
the basis of their common Neoplatonic theology. I determined that I would
write as my Ph.D. dissertaion a translation and commentary of the program he
had prepared for the conference (never called becuase the Pope put him under
house arrest rather than permit it)--900 theses for debate and a plenary
address: The Oration on the Dignity of Man (a poject which I did not then,
but will someday, complete). Obviously I would haveto know Latin, and as I
had started my historical studies quite late, I took an MA in Classics.
Once I could read Greek, and had read Plato, and the New Testament, and
Sophocles, and Homer, and many other works in Greek, it was farewell to the
Renaissance.
It was also farwell to atheism. It slowly dawned on me that to think and
believe as Plato had done increased rather than lessened my dignity, so I
did so, but as a philosophy only, not yet as a faith, except as a pose in
debate with my fellow Ph.D. candidates, either atheists, Christians so far
lapsed into hedonism and indiffernce that they were nothing Augustine or
Paul would have recognized, or Fundamentalists preachers, gaining a real
degree in Greek so that they could teach at their sectarian seminaries.
My sympathies veered toward Gnosticism at this time. The translation of
Plato's teachings into a more mythic form, a form expressed in the myths of
the semitic peoples (and I do not mean only Judaism--once one becomes
acainted with the mytholgoiesof Babylon and Ugarit everything about judiam
is seen in a new light and takes on a new meaning) seemed perilously
beautiful. Here at last, knowledge began to transform into belief. It will
come as no suprise to anyone reading this that every human life is filled
with suffering, and all the more so those lives cut off from spiritual
refreshment. I certainly had my share--I mean the interior pain of
lonliness, isolation and exile, too dull and pervasive for most to percieve
under its proper name. It finally occured to me that the Grace of the Wisdom
of God was meant heal this, and as best as I am able to tell, even now many
years later, that is what happened to me in a moment of revelation. I can
still recall the exact instant it happened. I seemed to be filled up with a
new life, infinitely greater and more spelndid than the one I had known. It
is a cliche to say the experince cannot be expailned in words, but I can
offer you this much idea of it: go and listen to the Pilgrim's Chorus from
Wagner's Tannhauser and imagine feeling the way that sounds. I happend to
have been in a coffe house talking to a girl at the time, and I mistakenly
thought that I had fallen in love with her! It was the same kind of
experience. I no longer recognize in memories from before that time the
person I was.
Shortly before this I had undergone a surgery which was badly botched and
almost died. I realized then that I had to go and pour a libation of
thanksgiving to the Gods for having preserved my life for that moment, the
moment when I realized I was of the same religion as Plato, Iamblichus,
Julian and Proclus.
I have never encountered anyone else who shares this faith, certianly not
in the profession of Classics, the very people who are trained to best
udnerstand these matters, at least outwardly. That is why I met with honest
joy the Nova Roma movement, of which I became aware only a few days ago now.
When I read on the Julian Society list that someone in the world is planning
to make a temple to Hekate, and already has a cult statue, I quite literally
wept, and became excited and exhilirated at the thought of perfoming
sacrifice there, something I have never done, and which I never thought it
would be possible to do. I still, obviously have much to learn about you,
and hopefully in dialog with you, but I thought the best wat to proceed
would be to introduce myself in the way that I have, especially in view of
the fact that when the Gods save us, they also command us to leave testimony
to the fact in their houses. This list is not a temple, but it may be a
start.
I have one more thing to testify to.
I am married to a woman named Rita (not the girl mentioned above), who is
a Roman Catholic, of extremly traditonal tastes and orthodox leanings--a
position I once toyed with, but know now I can never assume. Last year she
concieved our daughter Sophia, who died in the womb one day before labor was
going to be induced (a fatal blood-clot formed in the placenta--the poor
thing was perfectly well up until the last moment and then died, probably in
the space of only a minute). You can imagine how shattering this was,
especially for Rita--I have prepared myself for suffering through the
intensive study of philosophy, but this tested my indiffernce and reserve,
Rita, however, is possessed of an innocence that is indescribably beautiful,
but left her terrbily vulnerable. I feared for her sanity. Rita went through
all the rituals of aid and comfort presrcibed by her Church. I prayed to
Apollo that he might save my wife and child, and vowed to repay him as best
I could. Now just over a year later Rita seems restored (and she is pregnant
again with a boy I hope to name Julian) and I have every faith that Sophia
is in as blessed a state as she may be. It would be easy to say that time
heals all wounds, I have decided (and I do not decive myself that faith is
not in some sense and existential decision--asfter all we do live in the
modern world) that the proposition that I and my family expereince the Grace
of Apollo is a more meaningful description. Since that time I honoured the
God with libations, and have done and will libate and leave a offering of
flowers on Sophia's grave each year on the Rosalia (last year the first day
that Rita could bear to return to the cemetary after the funeral).
This brings up some ciritcal problems that I feel I have to address, not
by dogmatic statements that I have no authority to make, but in discussion
with the members of this list whom i hope believe as I do.
The proper recompense I owe to Apollo is sacrifice. The reasons I have not
yet done so are deeply troubling to me, and I think must be considered
seriously by anyone who loves the gods.
First let me say something further about my studies. I have completed all
of the course work for a Ph.D. in classics, and am a specialist in
Neoplatonism and Greek magic. For personal reasons that have been partly
alluded to above, I am on hiatus from a formal degree program, but have been
working as a Greek instructor. I have published articles and reviews in
these fields in peer-reviewd journals, and will have a spate of new articles
published at the end of next summer. I have a draft of a dissertation
dealing with Iamblichus' dialog with Christianity in his Pythagorean Life
(the on-line name I use, Malkhos, was the given name of the Neoplatonist
Porphyry, a man of Semitic cultural origin). I do not think of myself in any
way as a hemicaust crack-pot, but I know that if most classicists read what
I have written here, they would be dismissive.
I am now going to raise a series of objections that I feel have to be
answered, and which, if the answers are going to be meaningful have to be
answered together, not just by me and my own reason. I do not mean to be a
smart ass or to offend anyone's beleifs. But the Socratic method of finding
the truth employs discussion, and I feel strongly that the points I will
make are the ones that are going to have to be discussed if any kind of
resurrection of ancient religion is to be made, as I fervently hope it can.
I know that some 'pagan' lists I have looked at go so far as to say that if
you criticize anyone's beliefs you will be banned from the list. I never
said anything about it but just left, because I took it as a signal that the
people were not serious. If you seriously believe something, your belief can
sustain criticism. There also seemed little point in believing in soemthing
that you either did not care to defend, or tacitly admitted was
indefensible.
1. In Antiquity religion was a communal act: the very word means 'binding
together' and it was the force that bound the city into a sacred whole.
Corespondingly, the exercise of religion depended on the common practice of
all citizens together. Anyone who purseued a strange religion or practiced
reilgious ritual for private inscrutible ends was liable to charges of
superstition and magic. The very indictment agianst Socrates charged him
with worshipping Gods other than the city's. If you had approached someone
in antiquity, even a priest or philsopher, and asked him how his religion
could be sustained in a state that was secular and atheistic, he would have
told you it could not. A specific cult had been established by the Gods,
wither in prehsitory or through divination or revelation and its existence
depended on its communal suport nad its continuous operation. If it ever
ceased to exist or operate, this was a further sign from the gods that that
cult should end. For example, the cult of Jupiter Dolinecheas was in late
antiquity almost as popular throughout the Roman Empire as the worship of
Mithras, but, once the Persians sacked and burned the temple at Dolinecheum,
it was abandoned everywhere else on the grounds that if a God was too weak
to defend his own temple, what good was he. This kind of reasoning applied
to individual cults; no ancient person could have imagined all cults ceasing
silmultaneously (until it happened), or how the whole aparatus could be
revived after 1500 years of lapse of worhsip. At one time I considered
converting to Parsism, the last remnant of the ancient Zoroastrian religion
(still surviving among Iranian emingrants in India and spread from there
recetly to a few other places around the world) and the last trace of any
ancient religin not related to Judeo-Christianity. But they don't accept
converts; they want to protect the purity of their unbroken tradition by
limiting it to ethnic Iranians, and I can't blame them. But, and here is the
question, how can we say we f! ollow a religion based in tradition after so
long a cesation of tradition? Obviously we must find some way. I trust that
it can be some way other than to invent a buch of fraudulent nonsense
offensive to reason, as the Wiccans, Theosophists, Druids, and others have
done. I feel strongly that only way is to revive the ancient cults in the
purest possible form (which is why I felt also trememdous relief when I saw
the photos of the cult image of Hekate posted here--it looks like a real
cult image, not like a hollywood or kitsch idea of a cult image). The
revival of cultic practice per se, is not really so diffcult, though it
would take much work, the problem is finding a theological justification or
explanation to bridge those lost 15 centuries. The best hope I can see comes
from Iamblichus, whose theurgic doctrines form a link between ordianry
cultic practice and the essentially private religious practices that we
would be forced to today. I expect I will have rather more to say about that
later, if my contributions turn out to be welcome here. Indeed the only
reason I am writing now, is becuase reading the De mysteriis has recently
made my own thinking on this subject much more flexible.
As I find out more about Nova Roma, it seems as if it is attempting to
provide a viable platform for sacrifice.
2. I don't know what the attitude here is toward the word 'pagan', but I
will venture to offer my own opinion. In antiquity paganus was someone from
the countryside, someone likely to be unsophsiticated, ignornat,
old-fashioned: a hill-billy or red-neck. The church fathers had the brillant
idea of applying this term to anyone they suppsoed lacked the wisdom and
sophsitication to convert ot Christinaity, who insisted on adhereing to what
Christians considered an out-moded form of religion. Becuase of this
historical etymology, classicsits have not for a long time now not refered
to Graeco-Roman religion as 'paganism.' I certianly will never use this term
to refer to myself, and think any one else who wanted to revivie
non-Judaeo-Christian reigion would be wise to do likewise. In my view we
should use the same kind of formualtions found in Julian and other ancient
writers who were first faced with defining as particular what had been
universal. In controversy with Christians, Julian most often refered to
himself as a Greek; probably we would more like say Roman. We should say
that we follow the faith of our ancestors, that we worship the Gods, or that
we are pious.
3. The revival of ancient religion is always going to seem mad and
pointless to the mass of soceity, whther they are Christians, Atheists, or
whatever. For example, I have already seen the Julian Society ridiculed on
an American Philogoical Association list, supposedly for the lack of
learning displayed in some Web article or annoucnement the author had seen,
although it was clear he had not invenstigated the matter clsoely enough to
form an accurate judgement; the derision was reflexive. For this reason, I
think anyone attempting such a revival has to be absolutely beyond reproach
in terms of intellectual, aesthetic, and moral legitimacy--as one would be
any way who followed the ancient traditions. There are a few obvious errors
that could easily be avoided. a. Anyone who has read Plato knows that the
creation myth in the Timaeus and his various allusions to Atlantis are what
we would call today thought experiments--he never intended them to become
dogmatic articles of faith. So there would be no reason, for example, for
any follower of Plato to act in a manner similar to many American Indians
and Christian fundamentialsits and deny Evolution--one should also bear in
mind all of the damage done to the popualr opinion of Americna Indian
religion by the interfernce by some Indians in the name of that religion in
archaeological and other scientific research. b.Thomas Taylor seems to have
a good reputation here, and I can see why, since his aim is the same as
ours; personally I have a great deal of affection and sympathy for him. But
he made himself look ridiculous by, for example, denying the validity even
of Newtonian phyiscs, even of Galileo's observations of craters on the moon
and the moons of Jupiter (see previous item). Also his Greek was very bad,
and his translations give a very imperfect idea of the texts he was dealing
with. Since all of the important books he translated have been given modern
schoalrly versions, some of them quite recently (I may well post a
bibliographical list here, if anyone ! is intrested). There is absolutely no
need to rely for our knwoledge of ancient religious texts on Taylor's
translations, nor for our interpretation and understanding of them on
figures of nebulous learning, and possesed of mtoives and agendas that have
nothing to do with ancient traditions: e.g. G.R.S. Meade, MacGregor Mathers,
A.E. Waite; Mme. Blavatsky, Alester Crowley. Jung, Kerenyi, and von Franz,
Joseph Campbell, etc. We should instead read: Plato, Plutarch, Pausanius,
Julian, Homer, Sophocles, etc. with as little imtermediation as possible.
4. Many modern people have been loyal to the Gods wither more or less
openly or in their hearts, but lacking any integrated structure of
traditional worship, remained isolated and alienated in this regard. If
these persons have also attained the greatest intellectual and artistic
acheivements, they are the ones whose examples we should follow and make
known to others. Good examples of this sort of person would be: Goethe,
Keats, Wagner.
I hope I have seemed too overbearing or bombastic. I have merely set forth
what I believe, and how I intend to act. I hope to find here at least a few
of similar mind. If you find what I have said provocative, I hope you are
stimualted to discussion.
I have for a long time now considered myself a Roman rather than an
American or anything else, and so am disposed to join Nova Roma, but would
appreciate some response from civites or magistrates, or memebers of the
Julian list, whethery they consider my motives and intentions compatible
with theirs.
warmest regards,
Malkhos
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Pray for Faustus |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:16:11 -0300 (ART) |
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Salve,
Oh, gods, mother Salus, how I´m sick! Ache around!
Friends, put your gods on charge because I really fell bad. I always has a health of a bull, but now I see the Furies around me.
Uff...
Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,
Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Pray for Faustus |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:19:56 -0600 |
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Did you fall somewhere? Could someone be...liable?
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus [mailto:lafaustus@yahoo.com.br]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:16 PM
To: LISTONA
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Pray for Faustus
Salve,
Oh, gods, mother Salus, how I´m sick! Ache around!
Friends, put your gods on charge because I really fell bad. I always has a
health of a bull, but now I see the Furies around me.
Uff...
Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,
Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.
Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Pray for Faustus |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:23:49 -0800 |
|
A true lawyer. LOL!
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Pray for Faustus
Did you fall somewhere? Could someone be...liable?
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus [mailto:lafaustus@yahoo.com.br]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:16 PM
To: LISTONA
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Pray for Faustus
Salve,
Oh, gods, mother Salus, how I´m sick! Ache around!
Friends, put your gods on charge because I really fell bad. I always has a
health of a bull, but now I see the Furies around me.
Uff...
Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,
Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.
Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:39:07 -0600 |
|
Ave Marinus
I found the consul's original vague and cryptic reasons for his veto to be,
well, vague and cryptic. No malice could be inferred from my statement
unless you're hypersensitive, paranoid, or looking for a fight. Tone doesn't
translate well here, and his statement was funny. So I made fun of it,
trying to inject some levity in a tense situation. I am guilty.
I've never known any of the bombs I've thrown to slide without comment, and
usually that comment appears in the form of a personal attack. But I can
take it. Bring it on. Politics is about mixing it up, and I won't be cowed
by the likes of you or Audens.
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
[mailto:gawne@cesmail.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:54 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your
Patronage"
L. Cornelius Sulla writes:
[concerning my rebuke addressed to Legatus Agricola]
> Ave Propraetor,
>
> If you wanted to help your boss help him with his language skills
> in drafting items of importance like Vetos.
Had the Senior Consul asked his advisors for any help or assistance
in drafting that veto, I'd gladly have provided such, Consular.
As I mentioned last night, I'd have offered certain other advice had
it been asked too. But as far as I know the Senior Consul acted
entirely on his own in this matter, as is his perogative.
> Do not get upset at a citizen voicing satire at the expense of the
> Consul.
A privatus citizen is welcome to voice all the satire he may wish.
In this case I took issue with an oath sworn magistrate clearly
disregarding his oath "to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma." While it's entirely
appropriate for another magistrate to question a veto, mockery
falls outside the bounds of supporting our republic.
That oath binds me, it binds you, and it binds the Legatus, though
he seems to have forgotten.
> So instead of putting a citizen down, use your role as a staff
> member of Consul Fabius and proof his posts before he sends them
> out to the ML.
That's not how Consul Fabius uses his staff, Consular. We don't
preapprove his posts to this or any other list.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Testament of Malkhos |
| From: |
Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:43:50 -0800 (PST) |
|
The same for me,as I am also contemplating the nearing
loss of my own beloved daughter, albeit an adopted one
the pain is nevertheless there. I too have chosen to
rediscover my pagan past and in doing so have found
new sources of strength that help me in the daily
struggle of caring for a child that was brought into
this world with the cards very much against her.
I may write what you have written, as it is tradional
to write a poem for the departed, at least according
to Roman tradition. I too have been raised in a
Fundamentalist home, discovering on my own through
Caesar's and Cocero's writings the pagan heritage that
was long denied me.
Thank you for you story. In a little while it will
be my turn!
Anthony
--- jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> An interesting journey. My condolences to you for
> your lost daughter. I've
> always considered the pantheon of Greco_Roman Gods
> to represent the full
> spectrum of human existence, emotion, logic, and
> experience. And much more
> sensible than Christianity.
>
> to gar autou noien estin te kai enai
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
>
> "It is indeed a desirable thing to be
> well-descended, but the glory belongs
> to our ancestors."
> -Plutarch (46-120AD)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bradley Skene [mailto:malkhos@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: JulianSociety@yahoogroups.com;
> Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Testament of Malkhos
>
>
>
> I was raised in some vague offshoot of the
> Protestant sect founded by John
> Calvin. My parents rarely attended the services,
> certianly did not beleive
> in it, but sent me for some years to the Sunday
> School, where I was taught
> pathetic theology and philosophy by pathetic men and
> women.
>
> By the time I was 9 years old I had determined
> that the proper course to
> follow was that of materialist atheism. But at the
> same time I was filled
> with curiosity to find out the truth, the truth that
> lay behind what little
> I had been shown of the spiritual world (I seemd to
> know by some instinct
> that there was something more), the truth that would
> expose the falseness
> and insufficency of those who had failedto teach me.
>
> In college I set out to take the courses for
> chemical engineering, since
> that seemed an advantageous profession, and one
> suited to a scientifically
> mindied atheist. But I also took history courses
> becuase I was intersted in
> them. I soon found that I had such a monomania for
> historical research that
> I was reading historical texts even while actually
> attending the chemistry
> lectures. I changed the course of my studies to
> conform to the new my new
> view of reality. I determined to fix on the
> Renaissance since the kindly and
> jovial personality of my teacher in that field,
> Willaim Maltby, had made a
> tremendous impression on me. Also the figures that I
> studied, the Kings and
> Generals of the Catholic Renaissance--Charles V,
> Philip II, Don Juan of
> Austria, The Dukes of Alba and Parma--seemed
> admirable to me because of
> their unswavering devotion to purity of doctrine;
> however much in error I
> beleived them to be: their faith impressed me.
>
> Then I read Plato.
>
> On his teaching he seemed as if he were showing my
> own thoughts to me,
> thoughts which were nobler and finer than any I had
> ever had, but which were
> living unkown within me. And the substance of his
> teaching explained why
> this was so: he was merely revealing the substance
> our own divine natures,
> which the prison house of the body kept us form
> seeing. I still did not yet
> believe him, but I recognized that here at last was
> what lay beneath
> Christianity and everything else I had been seeking
> after--I still took this
> not in a spiritual sense, but in the sense of
> historical causation.
>
> I knew that Plato was what I had to study, but in
> the Renaissance, his
> philosophy had become very fractured: Hermeticism,
> Kabbalah of various
> sorts, sufism, magic. The life's work (and he had a
> very short life) of the
> greatest philosopher of the period, Giovanni Pico
> della Mirandola, Prince of
> Concord, was to attempt to call together a Grand
> council of Christian,
> Jewish, and Islamic theologians, to create a new
> faith unifying all three on
> the basis of their common Neoplatonic theology. I
> determined that I would
> write as my Ph.D. dissertaion a translation and
> commentary of the program he
> had prepared for the conference (never called
> becuase the Pope put him under
> house arrest rather than permit it)--900 theses for
> debate and a plenary
> address: The Oration on the Dignity of Man (a poject
> which I did not then,
> but will someday, complete). Obviously I would
> haveto know Latin, and as I
> had started my historical studies quite late, I took
> an MA in Classics.
>
> Once I could read Greek, and had read Plato, and
> the New Testament, and
> Sophocles, and Homer, and many other works in Greek,
> it was farewell to the
> Renaissance.
>
> It was also farwell to atheism. It slowly dawned
> on me that to think and
> believe as Plato had done increased rather than
> lessened my dignity, so I
> did so, but as a philosophy only, not yet as a
> faith, except as a pose in
> debate with my fellow Ph.D. candidates, either
> atheists, Christians so far
> lapsed into hedonism and indiffernce that they were
> nothing Augustine or
> Paul would have recognized, or Fundamentalists
> preachers, gaining a real
> degree in Greek so that they could teach at their
> sectarian seminaries.
>
> My sympathies veered toward Gnosticism at this
> time. The translation of
> Plato's teachings into a more mythic form, a form
> expressed in the myths of
> the semitic peoples (and I do not mean only
> Judaism--once one becomes
> acainted with the mytholgoiesof Babylon and Ugarit
> everything about judiam
> is seen in a new light and takes on a new meaning)
> seemed perilously
> beautiful. Here at last, knowledge began to
> transform into belief. It will
> come as no suprise to anyone reading this that every
> human life is filled
> with suffering, and all the more so those lives cut
> off from spiritual
> refreshment. I certainly had my share--I mean the
> interior pain of
> lonliness, isolation and exile, too dull and
> pervasive for most to percieve
> under its proper name. It finally occured to me that
> the Grace of the Wisdom
> of God was meant heal this, and as best as I am able
> to tell, even now many
> years later, that is what happened to me in a moment
> of revelation. I can
> still recall the exact instant it happened. I seemed
> to be filled up with a
> new life, infinitely greater and more spelndid than
> the one I had known. It
> is a cliche to say the experince cannot be expailned
> in words, but I can
> offer you this much idea of it: go and listen to the
> Pilgrim's Chorus from
> Wagner's Tannhauser and imagine feeling the way that
> sounds. I happend to
> have been in a coffe house talking to a girl at the
> time, and I mistakenly
> thought that I had fallen in love with her! It was
> the same kind of
> experience. I no longer recognize in memories from
> before that time the
> person I was.
>
> Shortly before this I had undergone a surgery
> which was badly botched and
> almost died. I realized then that I had to go and
> pour a libation of
> thanksgiving to the Gods for having preserved my
> life for that moment, the
> moment when I realized I was of the same religion as
> Plato, Iamblichus,
> Julian and Proclus.
>
> I have never encountered anyone else who shares
> this faith, certianly not
> in the profession of Classics, the very people who
> are trained to best
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:54:11 -0600 |
|
"You have chosen to mock "a Consular veto."
No I didn't.
"if arguing before the Supreme Court, make a mockery of some awkward wording
by the Chief Justice?
If it was that ackward? maybe.
"By your oath as Legatus you are sworn to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and
to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
Roma. Your mockery of the Senior Consul is an insult not only to our
republic, but to your word as a magistrate, and as a Roman citizen."
Ok. But it was still pretty funny.
"I deplore you sir."
Get in line. And don't call me "sir". My father is still alive and I work
for a living.
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message----
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves
> a decison that involves a decision that The Senate is at the
> moment discussing.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
I remind you of your oath of office sir. You have chosen to mock
a Consular veto. You knew full well from the subject line that it
was a Consular veto when you did so.
Would you, if arguing before the Supreme Court, make a mockery of
some awkward wording by the Chief Justice? Or make a mockery of
the President of the United States when he is speaking in his
official capacity? Our Consuls are our highest magistrates vested
with Imperium, and you have chosen to mock a Consular veto.
By your oath as Legatus you are sworn to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma. Your mockery of the Senior Consul
is an insult not only to our republic, but to your word as a
magistrate, and as a Roman citizen.
I deplore you sir.
-- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:50:23 -0800 (PST) |
|
That's the spririt we like to see! If s/he growls,
growl back, hold your ground, and never flinch!
Nothing annoys me more than someone's curiosity being
shot down.
Anthony
--- jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> It shouldn't be tolerated. Don't let that scare you
> off. If you voice a
> strong opinion here, you're likely to draw out some
> psychotic shut-in
> linux-hermit who has nothing better to do than write
> vitriolic e-mails. It
> just goes with the internet. The vast majority of
> citizens are intelligent,
> kind, and truly good at heart.
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
>
> "It is indeed a desirable thing to be
> well-descended, but the glory belongs
> to our ancestors."
> -Plutarch (46-120AD)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: malkhos <malkhos@yahoo.com>
> [mailto:malkhos@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:54 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use
> for pound that was used
> in ancient Rome?
>
>
> The answer to the immediate question in libera;
> and it is not
> surprising that it has caused some uncertianity,
> althought it must
> have been a common word and has well known
> Romances descendents
> (livre in French; the stylized 'L' monogram used
> to denoted the
> British pound) it was not a common literary word:
> it does not, I
> beleive occur in Lewis' Elementary, but is the
> first defintion given
> in the OLD.
>
> More widely, however, I have just discovered Nova
> Roma and am greatly
> intersted in joining, but I have been for a few
> days monitoring the
> posts here and on some of the other lists. The
> string of replies to
> this rather innocent question contians appaling
> bitterness; and I
> have seen simialr bad manners elsewhere. Is this
> sort of thing common
> here? If so, why is it tolerated?
>
> Malkhos
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "biojournalism
> <biojournalism@h...>" <biojournalism@h...> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes:
> >
> > Can someone tell me the Roman (Latin) word for
> measuring by the
> > pound? Sample sentence, "Masinissa wants 5,000
> pounds of gold,
> 3,000
> > pounds of pepper, 30,000 pounds of silver and
> 4,000 tunics of silk."
> > What word can I substitute for pound to mean a
> similar unit of
> > measurement such as a pound of silver or a pound
> of beans? My novel
> > takes place 150 BCE in Rome and with Cato and
> Scipio in Numidia.
> >
> >
> > Octavia
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:16:43 -0600 |
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T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Ti Galerio Paulino Curatori SPD
I understand that you must feel "sandbagged" right now. My collega or I
should have said something at the time when we first saw your patronage
draft on the Novaromaeagle list. As it is, we are both working on a
variety of projects; my own time has been spent mostly preparing for the
collection of taxes. This doesn't excuse the lack of feedback you
received from us, but I hope that it does explain it to you. Hindsight,
as they say, is perfect. It most certainly was not our intent to
embarass you.
There are several reasons why I support my collega's veto. First and
foremost, the Senate is currently voting on a measure that directly
concerns the Eagle's funding. As the Senate is the sole authority over
Nova Roma's purse strings, it does seem improper to create a policy
regarding fundraising for an official Nova Roman organ without first
waiting for the Senate to reach its decision on that measure.
Second, as the Senate is the sole authority over Nova Roma's treasury,
and as your patronage idea sets treasury policy, it is technically
illegal. This doesn't stop it from being a good idea. In my opinion,
it is an *excellent* idea, and one which will obviously net results.
Should the Eagle funding measure pass the Senate, you will have both the
authority necessary to create such a policy and my enthusiastic support
for doing so.
Third, the patronage idea obligates Nova Roma to produce the Eagle for
up to three years in the future. To date, we have had difficulties
providing the publication to those who have subscribed for a single
year. Therefore, my collega and I are somewhat leery of allowing Nova
Roma to incur such an obligation without the express agreement of the
Senate. If the measure before the Senate passes, your patronage idea
would therefore still need to be approved by the Senate. I, for one,
would be happy to place it on the agenda and argue for it.
Beyond the issue currently at hand, I also understand how terribly
frustrating it can be to attempt such initiatives in Nova Roma. The Res
Publica is extremely young and has never enjoyed a consistent,
professional government with which to establish firm and reasonable
ground rules for the collection and spending of money. After all, last
year was the first year in which we actually had an income. I hope that
you can understand that this makes things difficult for all of us, and
how it leads to an environment in which the government is both
tight-fisted and unwilling to incur obligations without a lot of
deliberation.
I also want to make it clear that I think you are the best curator
differum that Nova Roma has had to date. You have approached the
position with enthusiasm and energy, and have so far produced a superior
product. The patronage idea is, as I said, excellent. I sincerely hope
that we can get past the challenges that the early part of this year has
presented and move on to a smoother relationship. With luck, the
measure the Senate is currently voting on will both better define what
you need to get Senate approval for and give you the freedom necessary
to successfully carry out your job.
Vale
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:27:55 +0000 (GMT) |
|
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.
I'm joining in with this discussion in the hope of
bringing some calm. Many emotive issues have got mixed
up here, and people are beginning to be perhaps unduly
upset. I'm going to try to separate out some of the
different strands of the issue, with the idea that
this will help us to think clearly.
First, there was Curator Galerius Paulinus' patronage
initiative. I believe everyone who has so far entered
this discussion is agreed that this is an excellent
idea, put forward with admirable intent.
The Curator put the idea forward in a forum other than
the main list first, in the earnest belief that any
objections to it would be picked up at this stage.
Since there is no clearly defined procedure by which a
magistrate can submit edicts for checking before he
publishes them, this was a perfectly sound course of
action, and it is admirable that he took such a
precaution.
The Senior Consul evidently by some or other mischance
did not spot the problem at that stage, and so was
able to bring up his objection only after the edict
had been formally published. This is indeed
regrettable. However, it is not the duty of the
Consuls to monitor closely the activity of every list
to which they subscribe, nor to check the edicts of
other magistrates before they are published. Moreover,
unless a petition was explicitly and formally
addressed to the consuls to check the edict, no duty
was upon them to do so. It is generally considered, I
think, the place of each magistrate to check his own
edicts.
It is, however, the duty of the Consuls to ensure the
observance of the law, and therefore it was
appropriate for Consul Quintilianus to veto this
particular item, as it was unconstitutional.
Up to this point, therefore, we can see that though
there have been some small deviations on both sides
from what would have been ideal, neither magistrate
has done anything other than his duty, and certainly
nothing reprehensible.
>From this point, the debate has taken a number of
directions. In one, we have the issue of whether it is
appropriate for a media publication such as the Eagle
to be subject to government control. There is a danger
(though I must stress that Cassius Calvus, the
originator of this line of thinking, has made no such
claim at all) that some will see the Consul's veto in
this light as some sort of censorship. We should all
be quite clear: this veto in no way intereferes with
the content of the Eagle, nor does it in any way
disparage the Curator or his actions. There is a case
to be made for an independent press, and I would
certainly welcome the publication of a third NR
newspaper (the second being the on-line monthly Roman
Times). This, however, is some way off the main point.
Another issue which has come up is that of speed and
flexibility: some say, could the Consul not have been
lenient and let this item go past, seeing that it was
a good idea and might well have been perfectly legal
had it been delayed for a few days or weeks? Well,
sadly not.
Firstly, the law is the law, and the constitution even
more so (if you'll pardon my using an expression which
is in strict logical terms nonsense). Trespasses on
the constitution really cannot be allowed, however
admirable they may be in intent or effect, because the
constitution is the foundation of the state and the
basis of law and order in our society.
Secondly, when financial matters are at stake, there
is the added dimension of macronational law. As
Senator Sinicius Drusus and others have mentioned,
Nova Roma corporation is legally and financially
liable for the Eagle, and any expenditure or revenue
associated with it must be supervised by the Board of
Directors, i.e. the Senate. We should also consider
the individuals involved. A cheque has been sent and
received - though luckily not yet cashed. Had a veto
not been pronounced at this stage, the cheque might
have been cashed and even the money spent before the
edict was found to be unconstitutional, and then a
citizen would be out of pocket.
Thirdly, we should remember that the Roman system of
government is designed to be slow, and to err on the
side of caution. A veto is not a condemnation of an
action or of the person who made the action. It is
merely a safeguard. The Curator should not be at all
ashamed or embarrassed to have had part of an edict
vetoed - no one thinks any less of him as a result.
Many present and past magistrates have had actions
vetoed, and I can't think of any whose reputations
have suffered from it.
We had recently a episode which demonstrated how a
veto can be a constructive tool to improve a situation
and to address a problem. I'm thinking of the
Aedilician edicts. There is no reason why this cannot
happen again here. A good idea has been put forward:
there is a technical problem which means it can't be
put into effect immediately. A veto was used to make
sure nothing went wrong. Now, as is appropriate, the
veto can be the starting-point for further
constructive discussions, and can perhaps prompt
everyone involved - the Curator with his idea, the
Consul with his legal concerns, the Senate with their
motion on the table - to talk to one another and work
together, as happened after the veto of the Aedilician
edicts.
Sorry to go on at such length, but I hope that those
of you who have read this far have found at least some
of what I've said helpful or at least calming.
Cordus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:18:19 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete,
As a Quaestor, I had the opportunity to know quite well what is going on with the Eagle.
First of all, I have to say that the Eagle is a wonderful project and that the work being
done by our Curator is amazing. Simply put, an exemple of dedication and work for all of
us.
The Eagle is as well a rather big project especially in terms of financing for our young
Republic. And more projects are being actually implemented. We are now officially more
than 1770 citizens, so an increase of around 50% in only one year. A lot of these
citizens come with ideas and projects that deserve to be heard and helped. All this
activity needs the required organisation, otherwise we might face an incredible chaos.
Imho, our Republic not only needs to adjust but as well prepare the future by setting up
standards and procedures and, as in any organisation, this may take some time.
So the veto our our Honored Consul should not be seen as a sanction toward our Curator
but a request to "slow down the pace a bit" so that our Honored Senate will have the time
to decide its policy and agenda.
I can then only imagine a prosperous future for the Eagle.
Valete,
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Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:20:22 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<cordus@s...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
<snippage>
> From this point, the debate has taken a number of
> directions. In one, we have the issue of whether it is
> appropriate for a media publication such as the Eagle
> to be subject to government control. There is a danger
> (though I must stress that Cassius Calvus, the
> originator of this line of thinking, has made no such
> claim at all) that some will see the Consul's veto in
> this light as some sort of censorship
<even more snippage>
You are correct. In this case the intercesso is appropriate as the
Edict in question sets Treasury policy which is purely the balliwick
of the Senate and has nothing to do with the content of The Eagle. I
think the Patronage idea is a good one, much akin to PBS. For those
outside the U.S. and Canada PBS is a semi non-commercial broadcast
network that relys on funding from private donations from both people
and corporation (which is why I say semi-non-commercial because you
will here at the start and end of a program, "made possible in part
by.....") as well as some governmental financial aid. Currently with
the Eagle being dependent upon the Treasury as its primary source of
capital outlay (if I understand correctly the current subscriptions
do not cover the expenses) it makes The Eagle susceptible to having
its funding cut off if something printed within ruffles a few
political feathers.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Endorsement For Athanasius |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:26:31 -0800 (PST) |
|
Hello all,
I would ask that everyone please vote so we can stop voting! PLEASE!
Also, I ask for your vote to be cast for Gaius Modius Athanasius. I believe he would make a great tribune. I have been working with him for a little less than a year now and find him to be an honest man who would serve Rome well.
Thank you,
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Cornett=20Polanco?= <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:28:19 +0100 (CET) |
|
Can anyone tell me how i go about voting? Thank you.
Sextus Iulius Serranus
Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com> wrote:I wish to announce that I have just cast my first vote
as a citizen of Nova Roma.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:34:50 -0800 |
|
Avete Sex. Iulius,
If your a Patrician you do not vote in this election because its for the Tribune of the Plebs. Only Plebians can vote in the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Can anyone tell me how i go about voting? Thank you.
Sextus Iulius Serranus
Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com> wrote:I wish to announce that I have just cast my first vote
as a citizen of Nova Roma.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:50:11 -0800 |
|
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:50:23AM -0800, Anthony Scott wrote:
> That's the spririt we like to see! If s/he growls,
> growl back, hold your ground, and never flinch!
> Nothing annoys me more than someone's curiosity being
> shot down.
<mildly> You've lost your referent in the confusion of emails, all
alike. Agricola was the one attacking Octavia Fabia Scriba for asking a
question; if you read any of his previous emails, you'll see that it's a
habit of his. He's also the one who's currently slavering, drooling, and
frothing at the mouth because he can't find anything intelligent to say
in his own defense. The purpose of my response to him was to show that
his behavior is an aberration on this list.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mea mihi conscientia pluris est quam omnium sermo.
My conscience means more to me than all speech.
-- Cicero, "Epistulae ad Atticum"
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:06:52 -0600 |
|
Go sail around the world.
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:50 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was
used in ancient Rome?
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:50:23AM -0800, Anthony Scott wrote:
> That's the spririt we like to see! If s/he growls,
> growl back, hold your ground, and never flinch!
> Nothing annoys me more than someone's curiosity being
> shot down.
<mildly> You've lost your referent in the confusion of emails, all
alike. Agricola was the one attacking Octavia Fabia Scriba for asking a
question; if you read any of his previous emails, you'll see that it's a
habit of his. He's also the one who's currently slavering, drooling, and
frothing at the mouth because he can't find anything intelligent to say
in his own defense. The purpose of my response to him was to show that
his behavior is an aberration on this list.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mea mihi conscientia pluris est quam omnium sermo.
My conscience means more to me than all speech.
-- Cicero, "Epistulae ad Atticum"
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] How I solved my search for the appropriate Latin word. |
| From: |
"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:54:12 -0000 |
|
Isn't research fun? After trying a medley of English to Latin
dictionaries online, none of which answered my question simply
(which is difficult to do because of grammar considerations), I
finally contacted the classical studies division of a university
that teaches Latin and simply asked the instructor what is the
correct way to write "Three thousand pounds of pepper." That is the
only time I'd be using Latin in my novel.
I had to find out whether 'pounds' was a concept of weight in
ancient Rome and how I would write it or use it in the
sentence, "three thousand pounds of pepper" so that my English
language readers wouldn't be distracted from the story. Before that,
other writers of romance, historical, and mystery novels set in
ancient Rome from my writer's groups suggested I use "pondus" or
pondere/pondera, but no one could tell me what form of pondus, a
measure of weight, was correct. (I'm a retired English teacher.)
Also, the answer I received in the UK from The Society for the
Advancement of Roman Studies at: http://www.sas.ac.uk/icls/Roman/
was prompt, courteous, and very helpful. When I think about ancient
cultures it has a special meaning for me when pondering my roots,
being 75% Greek (Mikonos and Crete)and 25% Italian. My stories in
ancient settings have multicultural characters such as the Armenian
prince Vatchekan, Egyptian children of 150 BCE adopted by Romans,
the Roman attitude towards dogs versus cats as house pets (not too
good outside of Gaul or Britain for dogs, okay in Egypt for cats),
Numidians as Phoenician colonists, Carthaginians, and others. So it
takes a lot of research, all of which is light-spirited and fun
while learning some pretty fascinating customs about other shades of
time, let along other lands. Thanks again for your efforts,
especially to the food group on ancient recipes.
Kali Orexi (bon appetit)
Octavia Fabia Scriba
Thanks all.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Cornett=20Polanco?= <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:45:26 +0100 (CET) |
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Thank you Lucius Cornelius for clarifying this. How does one receive voter codes in general?
Sextus Iulius Serranus
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:Avete Sex. Iulius,
If your a Patrician you do not vote in this election because its for the Tribune of the Plebs. Only Plebians can vote in the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Can anyone tell me how i go about voting? Thank you.
Sextus Iulius Serranus
Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com> wrote:I wish to announce that I have just cast my first vote
as a citizen of Nova Roma.
L. Metellus Berkeliensis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:15:49 -0800 |
|
Ave Sex. Iulius,
To receive your voter code you can go to the Album Gentium, locate your gens, then click on your name. There is a button there called Get Voter Code. It will email it to your address that you have on file with the Censors office. Or you can just email the Censors and they can give it to you manually.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Thank you Lucius Cornelius for clarifying this. How does one receive voter codes in general?
Sextus Iulius Serranus
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:Avete Sex. Iulius,
If your a Patrician you do not vote in this election because its for the Tribune of the Plebs. Only Plebians can vote in the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Can anyone tell me how i go about voting? Thank you.
Sextus Iulius Serranus
Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com> wrote:I wish to announce that I have just cast my first vote
as a citizen of Nova Roma.
L. Metellus Berkeliensis
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Cornett=20Polanco?= <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:17:27 +0100 (CET) |
|
thank you lucius cornelius!
Sextus Iulius Serranus
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:Ave Sex. Iulius,
To receive your voter code you can go to the Album Gentium, locate your gens, then click on your name. There is a button there called Get Voter Code. It will email it to your address that you have on file with the Censors office. Or you can just email the Censors and they can give it to you manually.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Thank you Lucius Cornelius for clarifying this. How does one receive voter codes in general?
Sextus Iulius Serranus
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:Avete Sex. Iulius,
If your a Patrician you do not vote in this election because its for the Tribune of the Plebs. Only Plebians can vote in the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Can anyone tell me how i go about voting? Thank you.
Sextus Iulius Serranus
Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com> wrote:I wish to announce that I have just cast my first vote
as a citizen of Nova Roma.
L. Metellus Berkeliensis
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:25:49 -0600 |
|
Your characterization of my inquests to her as "attacking" is pregnant with
mythological hyperbole.
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:50 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was
used in ancient Rome?
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:50:23AM -0800, Anthony Scott wrote:
> That's the spririt we like to see! If s/he growls,
> growl back, hold your ground, and never flinch!
> Nothing annoys me more than someone's curiosity being
> shot down.
<mildly> You've lost your referent in the confusion of emails, all
alike. Agricola was the one attacking Octavia Fabia Scriba for asking a
question; if you read any of his previous emails, you'll see that it's a
habit of his. He's also the one who's currently slavering, drooling, and
frothing at the mouth because he can't find anything intelligent to say
in his own defense. The purpose of my response to him was to show that
his behavior is an aberration on this list.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mea mihi conscientia pluris est quam omnium sermo.
My conscience means more to me than all speech.
-- Cicero, "Epistulae ad Atticum"
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:26:42 -0800 |
|
Ave Sex. Iulius,
It was no problem. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
thank you lucius cornelius!
Sextus Iulius Serranus
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:Ave Sex. Iulius,
To receive your voter code you can go to the Album Gentium, locate your gens, then click on your name. There is a button there called Get Voter Code. It will email it to your address that you have on file with the Censors office. Or you can just email the Censors and they can give it to you manually.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: William Cornett Polanco
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Thank you Lucius Cornelius for clarifying this. How does one receive voter codes in general?
Sextus Iulius Serranus
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:Avete Sex. Iulius,
If your a Patrician you do not vote in this election because its for the Tribune of the Plebs. Only Plebians can vote in the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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From: William Cornett Polanco
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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My first vote
Can anyone tell me how i go about voting? Thank you.
Sextus Iulius Serranus
Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com> wrote:I wish to announce that I have just cast my first vote
as a citizen of Nova Roma.
L. Metellus Berkeliensis
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[Nova-Roma] An update from the Senior Consul |
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"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:00:06 -0000 |
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Julilla Sempronia Magna omnibus SPD
Consul Caeso Fabius Quintillianus is not able to be here at present,
as he is aiding a student at his school who is in the midst of a
crisis. Caeso Fabius wishes to more fully address his consular veto
presently, when he has been able to resolve his student's problems.
He hopes that you will understand where his duties now lie and rest
confident in the knowledge that as soon as he can, he will speak to
the issue.
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cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
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@____@ Caeso Fabius Quintillianus
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[Nova-Roma] FACTIO VENETA AZUL BLUE BLEU AZZURRO |
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"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
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Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:41:02 -0300 |
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Salvete omnes quirites.
Factio Veneta continues recruiting members for the next Ludi. The month of Aprilis is approaching!!!. Prepare your chariots and aurigae!!!!!!!.We must be the biggest factio of Nova Roma!!!. Factio Veneta needs a champion!!!.
Please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta and subscribe!!!. Once you applied, you'll receive a message concerning the membership, and I'll approve you .
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta
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[Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question |
| From: |
"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:47:33 -0000 |
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Why would anyone attack a 62-year old legally blind Greek-American
writer of historical romance novels for asking how to say a word in
Latin? I have no thoughts of disharmony toward anyone, ever. This is
a loving, fun group, and all of you get one big hug. I am fascinated
by Roman history because I was reared in Greek American culture and
religion, and really never had the time until now to find out what
life was like in ancient Rome. So I'm learning, and it's a joy."
I can't imagine whose toes I stepped on by asking. I remember when I
first joined Nova Roma I also asked to take a poll on whether the
main character in my historical romance novel should be a physician
or some other, and I got back in jest, I imagined, an answer that I
should include a pimp, a lawyer, and a drunk. (In a family-oriented
young teen novel?)
Well, I thought if my novels for young adults are to remain sweet
and family-oriented, a physician might make a better hero image as a
man who heals. Anyway, as a granny of seven and long-retired and
very unemployed English teacher, my only mission in life is to make
life sweeter for everyone around me.
So whatever you say, you still get one big hug, all of you. You know
guys, I've been blind from glaucoma and macular degeneration for
nearly a decade. I have multiple sclerosis and am in and out of my
wheelchair. With only a little vision left, not much, magnification
systems help me read this message board or put up my Web site and
write poetry or stories or a novel now and then so I can keep in
touch with the world as a mostly homebased person.
I write fiction for the joy of knowledge and research, and I had
first gone to the dictionary to find out how to say pound in Latin,
but so far, it hasn't been specific. Do you know how many ways the
dictionary says to write 'pound'? Pondera, pondere, pondus, libera,
and so on. I've written a 60,000 word novel set in ancient Rome that
I have given to Nova Roma absolutely free, no royalty or
compensation, which is being serialized in Nova Roma Times, starting
in the March issue.
This is my act of volunteerism as a nearly blind homebased senior
citizen. What more can I do? I'm not employed or earning money. So
this is the only way I can do my part of public service as I have no
income and am dependent on family charity. So why someone has to
single me out for simply asking a question merely on how to say one
word....Well....you go figure the Internet. Yet the Internet is my
prime connection to the outside world. What else is there to go to--
another eye surgery appointment? Life should be more than pain. And
I joined Nova Roma to learn what life was like in ancient times,
especially the foods.
So regardless of whatever anyone says, I only offer sweetness and a
hug to the world. This is Granny Theodakis, here, apple pie and
baklava. I can't please everybody, but at least I smile and feed
anyone who's hungry. What more can I do for you to be of service?
You can have almost anything, but the one thing I don't have is
money or income. It's hard to find a job at 62 when you're blind and
have been wheelchair bound with MS for 18 years. So, what do you
say, my friends, should I not ask any more questions by posting here
as a way of making friends? Or did I reach the wrong number, here?
My gut feeling is that if I want information, I should look it up
online or call most any university professor. A teacher would be
more likely to answer my questions. I thought journalists are
supposed to interview people to get information. In the future, to
be more professional, I'd be better off interviewing experts on what
I want answered and rewarding them by an article that offers free
publicity benefits to them, if they so desire. What do you people
think? In the meantime, the enthusiam I received came only from
emailing randomly the classics dept. of a university and asking the
question--anyone know how to write three thousand pounds of pepper
in Latin? Teachers were pleased someone cared to ask and answered
readily. And I made a new friend. That's the whole idea why I joined
Nova Roma...to make a new friend.
Harmony to all,
Octavia Fabia Scriba
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[Nova-Roma] About recent events concerning "The Eagle" |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:14:23 -0000 |
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Salvete Quirites.
I think that I can speak in the name of everyone in Nova Roma when I
say that we are very happy to have such an active editor. Our
Republic relies on enthusiasm, so a person who is willing to devote
time an energy to Nova Roma is always most than welcome.
However, we must keep one thing in mind. We all have different
interests. We all try to improve Nova Roma in different aspects. I,
for instance, am working in a legislative draft to further advance
Nova Roma's judicial system, even if most of you do not know it :-).
When so many different ideas and perspectives get into play,
collisions are a natural occurrence. In the past, I have presented
proposals on this very same list that were surprisingly (to me, at
least) *not* received with unanimous support and constant comments on
my brilliance :-). I have had to retire some of them, in order to
improve them after receiving feedback. But I have managed to
*convince* most of you of the goodness of my proposals in more than
one occasion.
The key to success is patience. We must accept criticism with an open
mind, and we must be ready to hear the opinions expressed by others.
I am sure that these proposals about "The Eagle" will be reviewed by
the Senate in due time. After some discussion, I think that at least
most of them will be approved. This will take a few weeks, though,
because we all have many other projects and ideas, and there is just
one Senate and two Consuls.
So bear on with us. Take things with a grain of salt. Breath deeply
and smile :-). After all, isn't it nice to be part of such a
brilliant, active, struggling and entertaining Roman community?
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR
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[Nova-Roma] Here's the answer I received from Carleton University Classics Dept. |
| From: |
"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:05:44 -0000 |
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From: "Roland Jeffreys" <rjeffrey@ccs.carleton.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: query
Dear Octavia,
The Latin word for "pound" is "libra".
However, it weighed 0.721 of the modern pound.
If you're talking Roman pounds, "3000 pounds of pepper"
would be "tria milia librarum piperis".
Best wishes,
Roland Jeffreys
http://www.carleton.ca/classics/
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[Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question |
| From: |
"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:48:54 -0000 |
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Why would anyone attack a 62-year old legally blind Greek-American
writer of historical romance novels for asking how to say a word in
Latin? I have no thoughts of disharmony toward anyone, ever. This is
a loving, fun group, and all of you get one big hug. I am fascinated
by Roman history because I was reared in Greek American culture and
religion, and really never had the time until now to find out what
life was like in ancient Rome. So I'm learning, and it's a joy."
I can't imagine whose toes I stepped on by asking. I remember when I
first joined Nova Roma I also asked to take a poll on whether the
main character in my historical romance novel should be a physician
or some other, and I got back in jest, I imagined, an answer that I
should include a pimp, a lawyer, and a drunk. (In a family-oriented
young teen novel?)
Well, I thought if my novels for young adults are to remain sweet
and family-oriented, a physician might make a better hero image as a
man who heals. Anyway, as a granny of seven and long-retired and
very unemployed English teacher, my only mission in life is to make
life sweeter for everyone around me.
So whatever you say, you still get one big hug, all of you. You know
guys, I've been blind from glaucoma and macular degeneration for
nearly a decade. I have multiple sclerosis and am in and out of my
wheelchair. With only a little vision left, not much, magnification
systems help me read this message board or put up my Web site and
write poetry or stories or a novel now and then so I can keep in
touch with the world as a mostly homebased person.
I write fiction for the joy of knowledge and research, and I had
first gone to the dictionary to find out how to say pound in Latin,
but so far, it hasn't been specific. Do you know how many ways the
dictionary says to write 'pound'? Pondera, pondere, pondus, libera,
and so on. I've written a 60,000 word novel set in ancient Rome that
I have given to Nova Roma absolutely free, no royalty or
compensation, which is being serialized in Nova Roma Times, starting
in the March issue.
This is my act of volunteerism as a nearly blind homebased senior
citizen. What more can I do? I'm not employed or earning money. So
this is the only way I can do my part of public service as I have no
income and am dependent on family charity. So why someone has to
single me out for simply asking a question merely on how to say one
word....Well....you go figure the Internet. Yet the Internet is my
prime connection to the outside world. What else is there to go to--
another eye surgery appointment? Life should be more than pain. And
I joined Nova Roma to learn what life was like in ancient times,
especially the foods.
So regardless of whatever anyone says, I only offer sweetness and a
hug to the world. This is Granny Theodakis, here, apple pie and
baklava. I can't please everybody, but at least I smile and feed
anyone who's hungry. What more can I do for you to be of service?
You can have almost anything, but the one thing I don't have is
money or income. It's hard to find a job at 62 when you're blind and
have been wheelchair bound with MS for 18 years. So, what do you
say, my friends, should I not ask any more questions by posting here
as a way of making friends? Or did I reach the wrong number, here?
My gut feeling is that if I want information, I should look it up
online or call most any university professor. A teacher would be
more likely to answer my questions. I thought journalists are
supposed to interview people to get information. In the future, to
be more professional, I'd be better off interviewing experts on what
I want answered and rewarding them by an article that offers free
publicity benefits to them, if they so desire. What do you people
think? In the meantime, the enthusiam I received came only from
emailing randomly the classics dept. of a university and asking the
question--anyone know how to write three thousand pounds of pepper
in Latin? Teachers were pleased someone cared to ask and answered
readily. And I made a new friend. That's the whole idea why I joined
Nova Roma...to make a new friend.
Harmony to all,
Octavia Fabia Scriba
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[Nova-Roma] A question re: ancient Roman cuisine |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:22:25 -0500 |
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Salvete Omnes:
Could any citizen point me in the right direction on the topic of ancient Roman cuisine?
I have copies of A Taste of Ancient Rome by Ilaria Gozzini Giacosa (translated by Anna Herklotz) and there's an extremely informative chapter in Florence Dupont's Daily Life in Ancient Rome, and some interesting information on "dinner" in Jerome Carcopino's Daily Life in Ancient Rome. I'm also aware that there are passing references to food in the classical authors, but are there any websites that might provide additional information on this topic (let's call it "ancient gastronomy")? I'd certainly appreciate the input of potential authors at biojournalism. Have any of you done any historical fact-finding on this issue as background when researching your fiction?
I have only recently become interested in this topic. I realized, in my reading, that food tells us a lot about a civilization - and that our ignorance of the diets of antiquity is fairly common, even among the educated who should certainly know better. I'm reminded of a comment by Gore Vidal in his book of essays, United States, when he observes that, as one of the many writers who worked on the script of the film, "Ben Hur," he was horrified to note that the set decorator had placed tomatoes in "Mrs. Hur's kitchen," and he had to enlighten the individual in question, to wit: a first century Judean kitchen should not be cluttered with New World vegetables. He goes on to note, with typical Vidalian sarcasm, "maybe Mrs. Hur was expected to use the tomatoes to prepare BLT's for her Jewish guests...".
Anyway, if anyone has any information on this intriguing topic, I would certainly appreciate hearing from you.
Valete.
L. Suetonius Nerva
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