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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A question re: ancient Roman cuisine
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:24:33 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, John Walzer <jwalzer5@c...> wrote:
> Salvete scripsit:
>
> Could any citizen point me in the right direction on the topic
of ancient Roman cuisine?

Aaah my FAVOURITE topic, and how pleasant to "cook up" some answers
for a new palate....

I also have "A Taste of Ancient Rome," however it is not my favourite
volume on my cookery and reference shelf. That place of honour goes
to Mark Grant's "Roman Cookery," followed by the works of Andrew
Dalby's "The Classical Cookbook," paired with "Empire of Pleasures"
for a wonderful rundown of foods, wines, clothing and more.

I cook in the Roman style quite regularly (my family's good natured
about the experimentation) with excellent results from the unusual
combination of spices; in fact, I have got to whip up several things
for a provincial gathering this weekend!

While it hasn't been terribly active of late, I certainly recommend
you join the Sodalis pro Coqueror et Coquus

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

Calen Orexin (bon appetit!)

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Rosia Montana
From:	"Titus Arminius Genialis" <tagenialis@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:27:40 -0300

Salvete.

I think that we all are concerned about the problems mining actions will
lead to Romanian people and environmental and also to local archaeological
sites, and I disagree with this action.
It was L. Faustus who made me remember that, we haven't even heard what
Gabriel Resources has to say as defense, though.
So, I entered on Gabriel Resources Ltd. website (www.gabrielresources.com)
and found out that it is represented in Romania by an enterprise called
Rosia Montana Gold Corp. S.A. (http://www.rosiamontanagoldcorp.com/).
There is a huge PDF format text with more than 6.5MB explaining about this
project.
I think it would be good for all those who signed the petition and who
supportted Alburnus Maior antiproject to read what Gabriel Resources has to
say.

Valete.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nova Britannia Chat Room Tonight - All Welcome!
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:54:59 -0500

Salvete!

The weekly Nova Britannia chat will be held tonight from 9:00 pm to
10:00 pm EST at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaBritannia/chat

All are welcome!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] About recent events concerning "The Eagle"
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:35:19 EST

In a message dated 2/25/03 3:16:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
salixastur@yahoo.es writes:

> I,
> for instance, am working in a legislative draft to further advance
> Nova Roma's judicial system, even if most of you do not know it :-).
>

Hopefully you will show it to us all, before implementing it.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:13:51 -0500

Salve
I love the ideal of an editorial Board that is why I first suggested one in late December or Early January. (Nerva, great mind do think alike, thanks)

Here is an idea not an edict, anybody who sends into the NR Eagle (1897 Wells Maine )at least $200.00 to the NR treasury for the use of the Eagle will get a seat on the Editorial board.

Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: John Walzer
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:42 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"

Salvete Romani!

May I make a suggestion re: the Eagle? Would it be possible to establish an editorial board, similar to that of most major newspapers? This would address the concerns of Quintus Cassius that the Eagle, if properly financed, would become a partisan vehicle. C'mon guys (and gals), if we want to make the paper a going concern, we've got to get past all the pretension, and get on with it.

I'd certainly welcome the views of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus on this issue.

Valete

(as unpretentiously as possible), L. Suetonius Nerva

----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"

I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.

Q. Cassius Calvus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome?
From:	Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:22:52 -0800 (PST)

<equally mildly> I had not lost the gist of whom was
saying what to whom, merely voicing my support for
those amongst us who ask the seemingly "stupid"
question and end up getting to the answer that others
could not see because of the trees.....However, if my
comments were taken the wrong way,then I apologise to
anyone's who fur I ruffled-Anthony
--- Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:50:23AM -0800, Anthony
> Scott wrote:
> > That's the spririt we like to see! If s/he growls,
> > growl back, hold your ground, and never flinch!
> > Nothing annoys me more than someone's curiosity
> being
> > shot down.
>
> <mildly> You've lost your referent in the confusion
> of emails, all
> alike. Agricola was the one attacking Octavia Fabia
> Scriba for asking a
> question; if you read any of his previous emails,
> you'll see that it's a
> habit of his. He's also the one who's currently
> slavering, drooling, and
> frothing at the mouth because he can't find anything
> intelligent to say
> in his own defense. The purpose of my response to
> him was to show that
> his behavior is an aberration on this list.
>
>
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
>
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> My conscience means more to me than all speech.
> -- Cicero, "Epistulae ad Atticum"
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:04:29 -0500

Salve T Labienus Fortunatus Consul

I know that both you and your esteemed colleague are very busy and are working, on a hundred fronts, for the benefit of Nova Roma citizens. I very much appreciate your post to the main list which I think clears up a great deal of misunderstanding that we have been experiencing of late. I also want to thank you for the kind words on the quality of the Eagle. This is solely the result of hard work and talent on the part of an incredible (international/Roman) staff. We have been very fortunate in the citizens who have come forward to loan their talents to the Eagle and Nova Roma. As always I look forward to working with you, your colleague and the Senate to keep the Eagle flying for years to come.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
----- Original Message -----
From: Fortunatus
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:23 PM
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"

T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Ti Galerio Paulino Curatori SPD

I understand that you must feel "sandbagged" right now. My collega or I
should have said something at the time when we first saw your patronage
draft on the Novaromaeagle list. As it is, we are both working on a
variety of projects; my own time has been spent mostly preparing for the
collection of taxes. This doesn't excuse the lack of feedback you
received from us, but I hope that it does explain it to you. Hindsight,
as they say, is perfect. It most certainly was not our intent to
embarrass you.

There are several reasons why I support my collega's veto. First and
foremost, the Senate is currently voting on a measure that directly
concerns the Eagle's funding. As the Senate is the sole authority over
Nova Roma's purse strings, it does seem improper to create a policy
regarding fundraising for an official Nova Roman organ without first
waiting for the Senate to reach its decision on that measure.

Second, as the Senate is the sole authority over Nova Roma's treasury,
and as your patronage idea sets treasury policy, it is technically
illegal. This doesn't stop it from being a good idea. In my opinion,
it is an *excellent* idea, and one which will obviously net results.
Should the Eagle funding measure pass the Senate, you will have both the
authority necessary to create such a policy and my enthusiastic support
for doing so.

Third, the patronage idea obligates Nova Roma to produce the Eagle for
up to three years in the future. To date, we have had difficulties
providing the publication to those who have subscribed for a single
year. Therefore, my collega and I are somewhat leery of allowing Nova
Roma to incur such an obligation without the express agreement of the
Senate. If the measure before the Senate passes, your patronage idea
would therefore still need to be approved by the Senate. I, for one,
would be happy to place it on the agenda and argue for it.

Beyond the issue currently at hand, I also understand how terribly
frustrating it can be to attempt such initiatives in Nova Roma. The Res
Publica is extremely young and has never enjoyed a consistent,
professional government with which to establish firm and reasonable
ground rules for the collection and spending of money. After all, last
year was the first year in which we actually had an income. I hope that
you can understand that this makes things difficult for all of us, and
how it leads to an environment in which the government is both
tight-fisted and unwilling to incur obligations without a lot of
deliberation.

I also want to make it clear that I think you are the best curator
differum that Nova Roma has had to date. You have approached the
position with enthusiasm and energy, and have so far produced a superior
product. The patronage idea is, as I said, excellent. I sincerely hope
that we can get past the challenges that the early part of this year has
presented and move on to a smoother relationship. With luck, the
measure the Senate is currently voting on will both better define what
you need to get Senate approval for and give you the freedom necessary
to successfully carry out your job.

Vale
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:18:06 -0500

Salve A. Apollonius Cordus

Thank you for your clear and clam words in a time of heated debate. My own post in response to the veto was a bit emotional, (as I have been told by others) as I was upset. While I stand by what I said , I might have revised it given the fullness of time. Again thank you for your very appropriate words.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:29 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"

A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I'm joining in with this discussion in the hope of
bringing some calm. Many emotive issues have got mixed
up here, and people are beginning to be perhaps unduly
upset. I'm going to try to separate out some of the
different strands of the issue, with the idea that
this will help us to think clearly.

First, there was Curator Galerius Paulinus' patronage
initiative. I believe everyone who has so far entered
this discussion is agreed that this is an excellent
idea, put forward with admirable intent.

The Curator put the idea forward in a forum other than
the main list first, in the earnest belief that any
objections to it would be picked up at this stage.
Since there is no clearly defined procedure by which a
magistrate can submit edicts for checking before he
publishes them, this was a perfectly sound course of
action, and it is admirable that he took such a
precaution.

The Senior Consul evidently by some or other mischance
did not spot the problem at that stage, and so was
able to bring up his objection only after the edict
had been formally published. This is indeed
regrettable. However, it is not the duty of the
Consuls to monitor closely the activity of every list
to which they subscribe, nor to check the edicts of
other magistrates before they are published. Moreover,
unless a petition was explicitly and formally
addressed to the consuls to check the edict, no duty
was upon them to do so. It is generally considered, I
think, the place of each magistrate to check his own
edicts.

It is, however, the duty of the Consuls to ensure the
observance of the law, and therefore it was
appropriate for Consul Quintilianus to veto this
particular item, as it was unconstitutional.

Up to this point, therefore, we can see that though
there have been some small deviations on both sides
from what would have been ideal, neither magistrate
has done anything other than his duty, and certainly
nothing reprehensible.

>From this point, the debate has taken a number of
directions. In one, we have the issue of whether it is
appropriate for a media publication such as the Eagle
to be subject to government control. There is a danger
(though I must stress that Cassius Calvus, the
originator of this line of thinking, has made no such
claim at all) that some will see the Consul's veto in
this light as some sort of censorship. We should all
be quite clear: this veto in no way intereferes with
the content of the Eagle, nor does it in any way
disparage the Curator or his actions. There is a case
to be made for an independent press, and I would
certainly welcome the publication of a third NR
newspaper (the second being the on-line monthly Roman
Times). This, however, is some way off the main point.

Another issue which has come up is that of speed and
flexibility: some say, could the Consul not have been
lenient and let this item go past, seeing that it was
a good idea and might well have been perfectly legal
had it been delayed for a few days or weeks? Well,
sadly not.

Firstly, the law is the law, and the constitution even
more so (if you'll pardon my using an expression which
is in strict logical terms nonsense). Trespasses on
the constitution really cannot be allowed, however
admirable they may be in intent or effect, because the
constitution is the foundation of the state and the
basis of law and order in our society.

Secondly, when financial matters are at stake, there
is the added dimension of macronational law. As
Senator Sinicius Drusus and others have mentioned,
Nova Roma corporation is legally and financially
liable for the Eagle, and any expenditure or revenue
associated with it must be supervised by the Board of
Directors, i.e. the Senate. We should also consider
the individuals involved. A cheque has been sent and
received - though luckily not yet cashed. Had a veto
not been pronounced at this stage, the cheque might
have been cashed and even the money spent before the
edict was found to be unconstitutional, and then a
citizen would be out of pocket.

Thirdly, we should remember that the Roman system of
government is designed to be slow, and to err on the
side of caution. A veto is not a condemnation of an
action or of the person who made the action. It is
merely a safeguard. The Curator should not be at all
ashamed or embarrassed to have had part of an edict
vetoed - no one thinks any less of him as a result.
Many present and past magistrates have had actions
vetoed, and I can't think of any whose reputations
have suffered from it.

We had recently a episode which demonstrated how a
veto can be a constructive tool to improve a situation
and to address a problem. I'm thinking of the
Aedilician edicts. There is no reason why this cannot
happen again here. A good idea has been put forward:
there is a technical problem which means it can't be
put into effect immediately. A veto was used to make
sure nothing went wrong. Now, as is appropriate, the
veto can be the starting-point for further
constructive discussions, and can perhaps prompt
everyone involved - the Curator with his idea, the
Consul with his legal concerns, the Senate with their
motion on the table - to talk to one another and work
together, as happened after the veto of the Aedilician
edicts.

Sorry to go on at such length, but I hope that those
of you who have read this far have found at least some
of what I've said helpful or at least calming.

Cordus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] About recent events concerning "The Eagle"
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:39:45 -0500

Salve Praetor Thank you for your kind words.

However I would like to make one small point. You said in part that

"The key to success is patience. We must accept criticism with an open
mind, and we must be ready to hear the opinions expressed by others.

I agree completely but my ideal was not criticized with the ability to come back and debate and win over converts to my view, my idea was VETOED, killed at that moment and yes it may come back latter but it was killed, VETOED with what I felt was slim justification as no feedback had come to me when the information in my idea was a month old and known to both Consuls.

Having said this the Junior Consul has send a post that I believe helps to clear up some of the misunderstanding and as Roman do we move on.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
Fortuna Favet Fortibus

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] About recent events concerning "The Eagle"

Salvete Quirites.

I think that I can speak in the name of everyone in Nova Roma when I
say that we are very happy to have such an active editor. Our
Republic relies on enthusiasm, so a person who is willing to devote
time an energy to Nova Roma is always most than welcome.

However, we must keep one thing in mind. We all have different
interests. We all try to improve Nova Roma in different aspects. I,
for instance, am working in a legislative draft to further advance
Nova Roma's judicial system, even if most of you do not know it :-).

When so many different ideas and perspectives get into play,
collisions are a natural occurrence. In the past, I have presented
proposals on this very same list that were surprisingly (to me, at
least) *not* received with unanimous support and constant comments on
my brilliance :-). I have had to retire some of them, in order to
improve them after receiving feedback. But I have managed to
*convince* most of you of the goodness of my proposals in more than
one occasion.

The key to success is patience. We must accept criticism with an open
mind, and we must be ready to hear the opinions expressed by others.

I am sure that these proposals about "The Eagle" will be reviewed by
the Senate in due time. After some discussion, I think that at least
most of them will be approved. This will take a few weeks, though,
because we all have many other projects and ideas, and there is just
one Senate and two Consuls.

So bear on with us. Take things with a grain of salt. Breath deeply
and smile :-). After all, isn't it nice to be part of such a
brilliant, active, struggling and entertaining Roman community?

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:51:33 -0800

Salve, Octavia Fabia Scriba:

On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:47:33PM -0000, biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Why would anyone attack a 62-year old legally blind Greek-American
> writer of historical romance novels for asking how to say a word in
> Latin?

That was one of the reasons that I found Agricola's posts
unconscionable. I've enjoyed reading most of what you've had to say
here, found quite a lot of it thought-provoking, interesting, and
entertaining; in my estimation, you return far more than you ask for.

> I can't imagine whose toes I stepped on by asking.

I don't think you stepped on anyone's toes; you did, however, run into
an irrational individual bent on pushing his agenda no matter the cost
to anyone else. Please, ignore it - it's far from normal behavior on
this list, and I'm sorry that you had to experience it.

> I write fiction for the joy of knowledge and research, and I had
> first gone to the dictionary to find out how to say pound in Latin,
> but so far, it hasn't been specific. Do you know how many ways the
> dictionary says to write 'pound'? Pondera, pondere, pondus, libera,
> and so on. I've written a 60,000 word novel set in ancient Rome that
> I have given to Nova Roma absolutely free, no royalty or
> compensation, which is being serialized in Nova Roma Times, starting
> in the March issue.

I have not yet had a chance to read it; I'll be certain to take the time
to do so. I believe that I'm not alone in saying "thank you" for your
contribution.

> So, what do you
> say, my friends, should I not ask any more questions by posting here
> as a way of making friends? Or did I reach the wrong number, here?

I most sincerely hope that you continue to do just what you have been
doing; I also hope that you find many friends and much enjoyment here.
Please note that it's only one aberrant individual who has so singled
you out - and note that his ranting was not allowed to pass without
opposition.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A question re: ancient Roman cuisine
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:06:09 -0800

Salve,

On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 06:22:25PM -0500, John Walzer wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> Could any citizen point me in the right direction on the topic of
> ancient Roman cuisine?

Take a look at this Google results page:

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Roman+cookery&num=100&as_oq=apicus+apicius>

Over 900 hits on recipes from a rather famous book by an AR gourmet.

Vale,
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question
From:	Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:40:20 -0800 (PST)

My point exactly! My best science teacher ever
encouraged his students to think creatively and with
child-like wonder, with no question ever being
considered dumd or too unimportant.
Well put, maestro!(used in the context of teacher,
just for clarification.) As for these personal
attacks, well, no comment...
-Anthony
--- "biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>"
<biojournalism@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Why would anyone attack a 62-year old legally blind
> Greek-American
> writer of historical romance novels for asking how
> to say a word in
> Latin? I have no thoughts of disharmony toward
> anyone, ever. This is
> a loving, fun group, and all of you get one big hug.
> I am fascinated
> by Roman history because I was reared in Greek
> American culture and
> religion, and really never had the time until now to
> find out what
> life was like in ancient Rome. So I'm learning, and
> it's a joy."
>
> I can't imagine whose toes I stepped on by asking. I
> remember when I
> first joined Nova Roma I also asked to take a poll
> on whether the
> main character in my historical romance novel should
> be a physician
> or some other, and I got back in jest, I imagined,
> an answer that I
> should include a pimp, a lawyer, and a drunk. (In a
> family-oriented
> young teen novel?)
>
> Well, I thought if my novels for young adults are to
> remain sweet
> and family-oriented, a physician might make a better
> hero image as a
> man who heals. Anyway, as a granny of seven and
> long-retired and
> very unemployed English teacher, my only mission in
> life is to make
> life sweeter for everyone around me.
>
> So whatever you say, you still get one big hug, all
> of you. You know
> guys, I've been blind from glaucoma and macular
> degeneration for
> nearly a decade. I have multiple sclerosis and am in
> and out of my
> wheelchair. With only a little vision left, not
> much, magnification
> systems help me read this message board or put up my
> Web site and
> write poetry or stories or a novel now and then so I
> can keep in
> touch with the world as a mostly homebased person.
>
> I write fiction for the joy of knowledge and
> research, and I had
> first gone to the dictionary to find out how to say
> pound in Latin,
> but so far, it hasn't been specific. Do you know how
> many ways the
> dictionary says to write 'pound'? Pondera, pondere,
> pondus, libera,
> and so on. I've written a 60,000 word novel set in
> ancient Rome that
> I have given to Nova Roma absolutely free, no
> royalty or
> compensation, which is being serialized in Nova Roma
> Times, starting
> in the March issue.
>
> This is my act of volunteerism as a nearly blind
> homebased senior
> citizen. What more can I do? I'm not employed or
> earning money. So
> this is the only way I can do my part of public
> service as I have no
> income and am dependent on family charity. So why
> someone has to
> single me out for simply asking a question merely on
> how to say one
> word....Well....you go figure the Internet. Yet the
> Internet is my
> prime connection to the outside world. What else is
> there to go to--
> another eye surgery appointment? Life should be more
> than pain. And
> I joined Nova Roma to learn what life was like in
> ancient times,
> especially the foods.
>
> So regardless of whatever anyone says, I only offer
> sweetness and a
> hug to the world. This is Granny Theodakis, here,
> apple pie and
> baklava. I can't please everybody, but at least I
> smile and feed
> anyone who's hungry. What more can I do for you to
> be of service?
> You can have almost anything, but the one thing I
> don't have is
> money or income. It's hard to find a job at 62 when
> you're blind and
> have been wheelchair bound with MS for 18 years. So,
> what do you
> say, my friends, should I not ask any more questions
> by posting here
> as a way of making friends? Or did I reach the wrong
> number, here?
>
> My gut feeling is that if I want information, I
> should look it up
> online or call most any university professor. A
> teacher would be
> more likely to answer my questions. I thought
> journalists are
> supposed to interview people to get information. In
> the future, to
> be more professional, I'd be better off interviewing
> experts on what
> I want answered and rewarding them by an article
> that offers free
> publicity benefits to them, if they so desire. What
> do you people
> think? In the meantime, the enthusiam I received
> came only from
> emailing randomly the classics dept. of a university
> and asking the
> question--anyone know how to write three thousand
> pounds of pepper
> in Latin? Teachers were pleased someone cared to ask
> and answered
> readily. And I made a new friend. That's the whole
> idea why I joined
> Nova Roma...to make a new friend.
>
> Harmony to all,
>
> Octavia Fabia Scriba
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:58:22 -0800 (PST)

Salve Octavia Fabia,
Please continue to ask your Questions. They are not
only providing a learning experance for you, but for
all of our citizens, and that is a value in itself.
You are increasing our citizens cultural knowledge of
our Roman hieratage, and that is something this list
needs more of.

L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator

--- "biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>"
<biojournalism@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Why would anyone attack a 62-year old legally blind
> Greek-American
> writer of historical romance novels for asking how
> to say a word in
> Latin? I have no thoughts of disharmony toward
> anyone, ever. This is
> a loving, fun group, and all of you get one big hug.
> I am fascinated
> by Roman history because I was reared in Greek
> American culture and
> religion, and really never had the time until now to
> find out what
> life was like in ancient Rome. So I'm learning, and
> it's a joy."
>
> I can't imagine whose toes I stepped on by asking. I
> remember when I
> first joined Nova Roma I also asked to take a poll
> on whether the
> main character in my historical romance novel should
> be a physician
> or some other, and I got back in jest, I imagined,
> an answer that I
> should include a pimp, a lawyer, and a drunk. (In a
> family-oriented
> young teen novel?)
>
> Well, I thought if my novels for young adults are to
> remain sweet
> and family-oriented, a physician might make a better
> hero image as a
> man who heals. Anyway, as a granny of seven and
> long-retired and
> very unemployed English teacher, my only mission in
> life is to make
> life sweeter for everyone around me.
>
> So whatever you say, you still get one big hug, all
> of you. You know
> guys, I've been blind from glaucoma and macular
> degeneration for
> nearly a decade. I have multiple sclerosis and am in
> and out of my
> wheelchair. With only a little vision left, not
> much, magnification
> systems help me read this message board or put up my
> Web site and
> write poetry or stories or a novel now and then so I
> can keep in
> touch with the world as a mostly homebased person.
>
> I write fiction for the joy of knowledge and
> research, and I had
> first gone to the dictionary to find out how to say
> pound in Latin,
> but so far, it hasn't been specific. Do you know how
> many ways the
> dictionary says to write 'pound'? Pondera, pondere,
> pondus, libera,
> and so on. I've written a 60,000 word novel set in
> ancient Rome that
> I have given to Nova Roma absolutely free, no
> royalty or
> compensation, which is being serialized in Nova Roma
> Times, starting
> in the March issue.
>
> This is my act of volunteerism as a nearly blind
> homebased senior
> citizen. What more can I do? I'm not employed or
> earning money. So
> this is the only way I can do my part of public
> service as I have no
> income and am dependent on family charity. So why
> someone has to
> single me out for simply asking a question merely on
> how to say one
> word....Well....you go figure the Internet. Yet the
> Internet is my
> prime connection to the outside world. What else is
> there to go to--
> another eye surgery appointment? Life should be more
> than pain. And
> I joined Nova Roma to learn what life was like in
> ancient times,
> especially the foods.
>
> So regardless of whatever anyone says, I only offer
> sweetness and a
> hug to the world. This is Granny Theodakis, here,
> apple pie and
> baklava. I can't please everybody, but at least I
> smile and feed
> anyone who's hungry. What more can I do for you to
> be of service?
> You can have almost anything, but the one thing I
> don't have is
> money or income. It's hard to find a job at 62 when
> you're blind and
> have been wheelchair bound with MS for 18 years. So,
> what do you
> say, my friends, should I not ask any more questions
> by posting here
> as a way of making friends? Or did I reach the wrong
> number, here?
>
> My gut feeling is that if I want information, I
> should look it up
> online or call most any university professor. A
> teacher would be
> more likely to answer my questions. I thought
> journalists are
> supposed to interview people to get information. In
> the future, to
> be more professional, I'd be better off interviewing
> experts on what
> I want answered and rewarding them by an article
> that offers free
> publicity benefits to them, if they so desire. What
> do you people
> think? In the meantime, the enthusiam I received
> came only from
> emailing randomly the classics dept. of a university
> and asking the
> question--anyone know how to write three thousand
> pounds of pepper
> in Latin? Teachers were pleased someone cared to ask
> and answered
> readily. And I made a new friend. That's the whole
> idea why I joined
> Nova Roma...to make a new friend.
>
> Harmony to all,
>
> Octavia Fabia Scriba
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] NR Land Project -- We need your input
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 03:07:04 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

The Land Project has been set by the Declaration of Nova Roma:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/declaration_novaroma.html

This project needs the input of the citizens of Nova Roma in order to know what are their
expectations. If you had not done so, it will take you only a few minutes to give your
ideas by filling up the form at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Land_Project/public/submission.html

Nova Roma needs your help!! Participate to our growth!!

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
NRLandProject

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] On loss: Testament of Malkhos
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:06:20 +0100

Salve Malkhos,

My deepest sympathy to you on the loss of your daughter. But don't look
back, and don't let the grief overtake you. Look forward to the future and
to having a little boy named Julian!! We can't keep focusing on who is gone
but have to remember all of the wonderful people who still bring the
sunshine into our lives. This is really the only thing we can do.
Unfortunately, I know this from recent experience. We all have to just hang
on to eachother and ride the storms.

And to Anthony, the same goes for you too. Your little girl is lucky to have
found you as a father. I will hope for a miracle, but if none happens, try
to remember that your daughter could have ended up alone in some orphanage
with no one to love her or care. You've done well, no matter what her future
brings.

Vale,
Diana Moravia

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] recent 'heated' posts
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:08:40 +0100

Salvete citizens,

My rather fluffy bunny philosphy is this:

Life is very difficult at times and while we are on this Earth together, we
should be as kind and understanding of eachother as we possibly can. If we
all did that, all of our lives would be brighter, no matter what bumps the
Fates may place in our paths. After reading some of the recent posts, I
would like to remind everyone that a bit of kindness and understanding goes
a long long way !!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:21:52 -0800

Ave,

I really think that many of us are probably getting a bit tired of the ad hominem attacks between you and Agricola. For the sake of a bit of tranquility on this list can you both please put each other in a kill file or respond to each other privately. That way the ML can be used what it was intended for, a forum where information can be exchanged and where people can learn new ideas and grow as individuals.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
To: biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Cc: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question

Salve, Octavia Fabia Scriba:

On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:47:33PM -0000, biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Why would anyone attack a 62-year old legally blind Greek-American
> writer of historical romance novels for asking how to say a word in
> Latin?

That was one of the reasons that I found Agricola's posts
unconscionable. I've enjoyed reading most of what you've had to say
here, found quite a lot of it thought-provoking, interesting, and
entertaining; in my estimation, you return far more than you ask for.

> I can't imagine whose toes I stepped on by asking.

I don't think you stepped on anyone's toes; you did, however, run into
an irrational individual bent on pushing his agenda no matter the cost
to anyone else. Please, ignore it - it's far from normal behavior on
this list, and I'm sorry that you had to experience it.

> I write fiction for the joy of knowledge and research, and I had
> first gone to the dictionary to find out how to say pound in Latin,
> but so far, it hasn't been specific. Do you know how many ways the
> dictionary says to write 'pound'? Pondera, pondere, pondus, libera,
> and so on. I've written a 60,000 word novel set in ancient Rome that
> I have given to Nova Roma absolutely free, no royalty or
> compensation, which is being serialized in Nova Roma Times, starting
> in the March issue.

I have not yet had a chance to read it; I'll be certain to take the time
to do so. I believe that I'm not alone in saying "thank you" for your
contribution.

> So, what do you
> say, my friends, should I not ask any more questions by posting here
> as a way of making friends? Or did I reach the wrong number, here?

I most sincerely hope that you continue to do just what you have been
doing; I also hope that you find many friends and much enjoyment here.
Please note that it's only one aberrant individual who has so singled
you out - and note that his ranting was not allowed to pass without
opposition.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Caelum, non animum mutant, qui trans mare currunt.
The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
-- Horace, "Epistulae"


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ABOUT THE EAGLE, VETOES, AND PERSONALITIES (AS I SEE IT)
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:23:07 -0500

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to S.F.D. Salvete.

My esteemed cousin, Tiberius Galerius, is a fine magistrate of NR and enjoys the support of most of the active populace in his efforts to make The Eagle an outstanding newsletter. His plans for patronage membership are in the very best traditions of the Archaeological Institute of America and the Medieval Academy of America. I have no doubt that his plans will ultimately be adopted by the Consuls and the Senate. We should continue to support The Eagle by subscription, buying mugs and mouse pads, and providing articles. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is an outstanding example of the very best of our magistrates and citizens.
Caeso Fabius Quintilius is also a fine magistrate and his past actions as a magistrate and current actions as the Senior Consul should be supported by the citizens of NR. He is usually so erudite and skilled in English that it is usually forgotten that English is not his mother tongue. He has gathered some of the most active membership into his consular cohors for the purpose of advancing the Republic. His organization gives guidance and purpose under an overall plan of improvement of our organization. His decisions are not always popular but they are within his consular powers and (almost always) backed by the Constitution. Due to his work as a teacher and active citizen of his macronation, it sometimes takes him a few days to respond to posts, letters, and other communications from our citizens. I believe we should all cut him, the Junior Consul, and the other elected magistrates some slack and continue to render him our loyalty and support.
G. B. Agricola is an active citizen who has some good ideas for the Republic and wishes it to advance quickly in the macronational world. Here in the South, we would call him "a pushy Yankee" but I have enjoyed his dry sense of humor and his ability to laugh at himself and others without malice; although he can be somewhat ascerbic. One does not have to agree with some of his comments but if you feel the need to say something to him, I strongly suggest you do it through a private email.
It says something about all these citizens that we know a great deal about them (real names, addresses, telephone numbers, plans, projects, occupations, and emails) and they put themselves at the service of NR and all of us. Let us pray to the Gods that Nova Roma will always enjoy the active participation of talented individuals who give of themselves, their talents, and their assets to NR and its citizens. Valete.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum Propraetoricium
From:	"Caius Flavius Diocletianus <cfd@diocletian.de>" <cfd@diocletian.de>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:38:56 -0000

Ex Officio Propraetoris Germaniae

Edictum Propraetoricium
about the Establishment of the Schola Latina Germanorum

I. The Schola Latina Germanorum is hereby established as an
institution of the province of Germania. Itґs mission will be
training in the latin language.

II. A mailinglist shall be established for the Schola Latina
Germanorum.

III. Citizen Aulus Quinctilius Taurus is hereby appointed as
Grammaticus with the rank of Scriba Propraetoris. He is obliged with
the management of the Schola Latina Germanorum.

Given february 26 in the year of the Consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Propraetor Germaniae


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Negative List
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:49:54 -0500 (EST)

Master Agricola;

I am not sure to what I owe your remark regarding my supposed criticism
of your utterings on this list, or my apparent inclusion on the subject
List.

As I recall it was you who came to me asking for an assignment in NR,
and I provided one when you were new here. I have not heard of your
success in that appointment from either of the gentlemenappointed to
oversee your efforts, so I cannot well evaluate your work in NR, that
you have completed in this requested task.

As to your vaporings on this list, I do not agree with them simply for
the reason that they do not, in my opinion, move this micronation
forward. I do not know you except by your words, and they have shown me
to date that you have nothing I want or need.

If I have in the past indicated some assignment of criticism to you,
that your words do not deserve, then you have my apologies.

You must realize that being defended by the likes of Sulla,
automatically raises my defenses very significantly, based on his past
instability. That is unfortunate, of course, and perhaps not
alltogether his fault, but it gives me pause nevertheless.

In regard to the Honorable Consul Quintillianus, English is not his
Primary language. He is Swedish, and is a successful educator in his
own country, with a solid history of success behind his efforts in
several aspects to date. He has shown a remarkable apptitude to "moving
Nova Roma" along, has generated sme vey unique ideas, and has followed
them up with his consumate ability at organization and the ability to
draw others into his ideas, and create something very concrete from
them. Something that you have yet to show here in NR. We
(Quintillianus and I) have met face-to-face, and I was impressed by his
honesty, his desire to work with and for Nova Roma in a productive way,
and to try and address some of the concerns wrought by others in the
past. As with anyone who does not use English as a first language, I
try to look deeper into the person than his / her ability in a second
language, keeping in mind that such a person has mastered communication
in two languages, as opposed to my mere one. He is also a kind man, who
does not use insult, innuendo or snide remarks to make his point or to
move along his efforts, and those who support him in NR, have solid, and
honest reasons for doing so.

I am sorry that you seem to have included me as someone who has
improperly commented upon your offerings to this list, however, you
logic and reasoning escapes me if your purpose is to help NR, nor do
they seem to be of any great advantage to Nova Roma, and it is more than
clear that your ability to wound others is as effective as a razor-sharp
knife. In my view, your use of that weapon frequently and with a
subsequent deadly accuracy is not one of the required attributes for an
attempt to assist in the development of this micronation.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Negative List
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:53:36 -0600

I deeply apologize. I mixed your name up with someone else. However, if you
think you have never criticised me, you're wrong. Read infra. If you don't
consider it insulting, then you're on a different planet. As for Sulla's
"instability", another insult. I will not suffer yours, or anyone else's,
pasive-aggresive nuances in e-mails.

I've written an article for the Eagle, am working on a second one, and
devote a significant amount of my personal time to the sestertius group. I
thank you for your initial patronage. If you think you've made a bad choice,
I'm sorry.

As to the honorable consul's English, I thought it was merely a typo, or
intentional spin, and did not suspect English was a second language for him.
You people take yourselves way to seriuosly. You need to lighten up. If our
forefathers are looking down on us today, they might be offended by my
behaviour, but I can't imagine they would be pleased by the unceasing stream
of criticism that flows from some citizens in here. You all have your vision
of NR. I have mine. I envision it as a place to realize the full spectrum of
what the Republic was, not simply what you or a chosen few think it should
be. If you believe you know all there is to know about the Republic, thats
great. But don't believe you hold a monopoly on the mos maiorum.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)

-----Original Message-----
From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net [mailto:jmath669642reng@webtv.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Negative List

Master Agricola;

I am not sure to what I owe your remark regarding my supposed criticism
of your utterings on this list, or my apparent inclusion on the subject
List.

As I recall it was you who came to me asking for an assignment in NR,
and I provided one when you were new here. I have not heard of your
success in that appointment from either of the gentlemenappointed to
oversee your efforts, so I cannot well evaluate your work in NR, that
you have completed in this requested task.

As to your vaporings on this list, I do not agree with them simply for
the reason that they do not, in my opinion, move this micronation
forward. I do not know you except by your words, and they have shown me
to date that you have nothing I want or need.

If I have in the past indicated some assignment of criticism to you,
that your words do not deserve, then you have my apologies.

You must realize that being defended by the likes of Sulla,
automatically raises my defenses very significantly, based on his past
instability. That is unfortunate, of course, and perhaps not
alltogether his fault, but it gives me pause nevertheless.

In regard to the Honorable Consul Quintillianus, English is not his
Primary language. He is Swedish, and is a successful educator in his
own country, with a solid history of success behind his efforts in
several aspects to date. He has shown a remarkable apptitude to "moving
Nova Roma" along, has generated sme vey unique ideas, and has followed
them up with his consumate ability at organization and the ability to
draw others into his ideas, and create something very concrete from
them. Something that you have yet to show here in NR. We
(Quintillianus and I) have met face-to-face, and I was impressed by his
honesty, his desire to work with and for Nova Roma in a productive way,
and to try and address some of the concerns wrought by others in the
past. As with anyone who does not use English as a first language, I
try to look deeper into the person than his / her ability in a second
language, keeping in mind that such a person has mastered communication
in two languages, as opposed to my mere one. He is also a kind man, who
does not use insult, innuendo or snide remarks to make his point or to
move along his efforts, and those who support him in NR, have solid, and
honest reasons for doing so.

I am sorry that you seem to have included me as someone who has
improperly commented upon your offerings to this list, however, you
logic and reasoning escapes me if your purpose is to help NR, nor do
they seem to be of any great advantage to Nova Roma, and it is more than
clear that your ability to wound others is as effective as a razor-sharp
knife. In my view, your use of that weapon frequently and with a
subsequent deadly accuracy is not one of the required attributes for an
attempt to assist in the development of this micronation.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] A question re: ancient Roman cuisine
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:00:09 -0600

On a related note, does anyone know what plant "laserpicium" is related to?
I read an article on MSNBC that said when the Romans finally firmally
acquired Africa province that they ate the stuff into extinction. However,
I've seen modern sites with recipes on it that call for laserpicium as an
ingredient.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin A. Okopnik [mailto:ben@callahans.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:06 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A question re: ancient Roman cuisine

Salve,

On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 06:22:25PM -0500, John Walzer wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> Could any citizen point me in the right direction on the topic of
> ancient Roman cuisine?

Take a look at this Google results page:

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Roman+cookery&num=100&as_oq=apicus+apiciu
s>

Over 900 hits on recipes from a rather famous book by an AR gourmet.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla sapientia mundus regatur?
Don't you know then, my son, how little wisdom rules the world?
-- Swedish chancellor Axel Oxenstierna to his son who was in doubt of
his own ability to represent Sweden at the Westphalian peace conference


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:05:54 -0600

Ave Octavia

I never intended anything I've ever said to you as an "attack". If it is
perceived so, or characterized that way by the more malicious members of our
group, I can't help that. And I empathize with your present state of health.
I still stand by my inquiry.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)

-----Original Message-----
From: biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
[mailto:biojournalism@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:48 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ask yourself this question

Why would anyone attack a 62-year old legally blind Greek-American
writer of historical romance novels for asking how to say a word in
Latin? I have no thoughts of disharmony toward anyone, ever. This is
a loving, fun group, and all of you get one big hug. I am fascinated
by Roman history because I was reared in Greek American culture and
religion, and really never had the time until now to find out what
life was like in ancient Rome. So I'm learning, and it's a joy."

I can't imagine whose toes I stepped on by asking. I remember when I
first joined Nova Roma I also asked to take a poll on whether the
main character in my historical romance novel should be a physician
or some other, and I got back in jest, I imagined, an answer that I
should include a pimp, a lawyer, and a drunk. (In a family-oriented
young teen novel?)

Well, I thought if my novels for young adults are to remain sweet
and family-oriented, a physician might make a better hero image as a
man who heals. Anyway, as a granny of seven and long-retired and
very unemployed English teacher, my only mission in life is to make
life sweeter for everyone around me.

So whatever you say, you still get one big hug, all of you. You know
guys, I've been blind from glaucoma and macular degeneration for
nearly a decade. I have multiple sclerosis and am in and out of my
wheelchair. With only a little vision left, not much, magnification
systems help me read this message board or put up my Web site and
write poetry or stories or a novel now and then so I can keep in
touch with the world as a mostly homebased person.

I write fiction for the joy of knowledge and research, and I had
first gone to the dictionary to find out how to say pound in Latin,
but so far, it hasn't been specific. Do you know how many ways the
dictionary says to write 'pound'? Pondera, pondere, pondus, libera,
and so on. I've written a 60,000 word novel set in ancient Rome that
I have given to Nova Roma absolutely free, no royalty or
compensation, which is being serialized in Nova Roma Times, starting
in the March issue.

This is my act of volunteerism as a nearly blind homebased senior
citizen. What more can I do? I'm not employed or earning money. So
this is the only way I can do my part of public service as I have no
income and am dependent on family charity. So why someone has to
single me out for simply asking a question merely on how to say one
word....Well....you go figure the Internet. Yet the Internet is my
prime connection to the outside world. What else is there to go to--
another eye surgery appointment? Life should be more than pain. And
I joined Nova Roma to learn what life was like in ancient times,
especially the foods.

So regardless of whatever anyone says, I only offer sweetness and a
hug to the world. This is Granny Theodakis, here, apple pie and
baklava. I can't please everybody, but at least I smile and feed
anyone who's hungry. What more can I do for you to be of service?
You can have almost anything, but the one thing I don't have is
money or income. It's hard to find a job at 62 when you're blind and
have been wheelchair bound with MS for 18 years. So, what do you
say, my friends, should I not ask any more questions by posting here
as a way of making friends? Or did I reach the wrong number, here?

My gut feeling is that if I want information, I should look it up
online or call most any university professor. A teacher would be
more likely to answer my questions. I thought journalists are
supposed to interview people to get information. In the future, to
be more professional, I'd be better off interviewing experts on what
I want answered and rewarding them by an article that offers free
publicity benefits to them, if they so desire. What do you people
think? In the meantime, the enthusiam I received came only from
emailing randomly the classics dept. of a university and asking the
question--anyone know how to write three thousand pounds of pepper
in Latin? Teachers were pleased someone cared to ask and answered
readily. And I made a new friend. That's the whole idea why I joined
Nova Roma...to make a new friend.

Harmony to all,

Octavia Fabia Scriba


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: About recent events concerning "The Eagle"
From:	"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:17:07 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Salix Astur
<salixastur@y...>" <salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> I think that I can speak in the name of everyone in Nova Roma when
I
> say that we are very happy to have such an active editor. Our
> Republic relies on enthusiasm, so a person who is willing to devote
> time an energy to Nova Roma is always most than welcome.
>
> However, we must keep one thing in mind. We all have different
> interests. We all try to improve Nova Roma in different aspects. I,
> for instance, am working in a legislative draft to further advance
> Nova Roma's judicial system, even if most of you do not know it :-).
>
> When so many different ideas and perspectives get into play,
> collisions are a natural occurrence. In the past, I have presented
> proposals on this very same list that were surprisingly (to me, at
> least) *not* received with unanimous support and constant comments
on
> my brilliance :-). I have had to retire some of them, in order to
> improve them after receiving feedback. But I have managed to
> *convince* most of you of the goodness of my proposals in more than
> one occasion.
>
> The key to success is patience. We must accept criticism with an
open
> mind, and we must be ready to hear the opinions expressed by
others.
>
> I am sure that these proposals about "The Eagle" will be reviewed
by
> the Senate in due time. After some discussion, I think that at
least
> most of them will be approved. This will take a few weeks, though,
> because we all have many other projects and ideas, and there is
just
> one Senate and two Consuls.
>
> So bear on with us. Take things with a grain of salt. Breath deeply
> and smile :-). After all, isn't it nice to be part of such a
> brilliant, active, struggling and entertaining Roman community?
>
> CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
> PRAETOR


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] ABOUT THE EAGLE, VETOES, AND PERSONALITIES (AS I SEE IT)
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:18:41 -0600

"Pushy Yankee" LOL!!!

Ok. I'll go for that. However, my mom is Greek from Virginia, and my dad is
Italian from Missouri. I don't think either of them consider themselves
yankees, and I know my mother and yi yi would be horrified to hear someone
call me that.

Lets keep this to ourselves.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)

-----Original Message-----
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com [mailto:PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:23 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] ABOUT THE EAGLE, VETOES, AND PERSONALITIES (AS I SEE
IT)

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to S.F.D. Salvete.

My esteemed cousin, Tiberius Galerius, is a fine magistrate of NR and
enjoys the support of most of the active populace in his efforts to make The
Eagle an outstanding newsletter. His plans for patronage membership are in
the very best traditions of the Archaeological Institute of America and the
Medieval Academy of America. I have no doubt that his plans will ultimately
be adopted by the Consuls and the Senate. We should continue to support The
Eagle by subscription, buying mugs and mouse pads, and providing articles.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is an outstanding example of the very best of our
magistrates and citizens.
Caeso Fabius Quintilius is also a fine magistrate and his past actions as
a magistrate and current actions as the Senior Consul should be supported by
the citizens of NR. He is usually so erudite and skilled in English that it
is usually forgotten that English is not his mother tongue. He has gathered
some of the most active membership into his consular cohors for the purpose
of advancing the Republic. His organization gives guidance and purpose
under an overall plan of improvement of our organization. His decisions are
not always popular but they are within his consular powers and (almost
always) backed by the Constitution. Due to his work as a teacher and active
citizen of his macronation, it sometimes takes him a few days to respond to
posts, letters, and other communications from our citizens. I believe we
should all cut him, the Junior Consul, and the other elected magistrates
some slack and continue to render him our loyalty and support.
G. B. Agricola is an active citizen who has some good ideas for the
Republic and wishes it to advance quickly in the macronational world. Here
in the South, we would call him "a pushy Yankee" but I have enjoyed his dry
sense of humor and his ability to laugh at himself and others without
malice; although he can be somewhat ascerbic. One does not have to agree
with some of his comments but if you feel the need to say something to him,
I strongly suggest you do it through a private email.
It says something about all these citizens that we know a great deal about
them (real names, addresses, telephone numbers, plans, projects,
occupations, and emails) and they put themselves at the service of NR and
all of us. Let us pray to the Gods that Nova Roma will always enjoy the
active participation of talented individuals who give of themselves, their
talents, and their assets to NR and its citizens. Valete.


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] recent 'heated' posts
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:24:30 -0600

Ave Diana

I agree wholeheartedly. We need a God to worshipp who represents harmony on
e-mail lists. I hereby vote you high priestess of the Cult of Garrula
Loquacitas. I will also be designing a somewhat revealing robe for your new
priesthood.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@pandora.be]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:09 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] recent 'heated' posts

Salvete citizens,

My rather fluffy bunny philosphy is this:

Life is very difficult at times and while we are on this Earth together,
we
should be as kind and understanding of eachother as we possibly can. If we
all did that, all of our lives would be brighter, no matter what bumps the
Fates may place in our paths. After reading some of the recent posts, I
would like to remind everyone that a bit of kindness and understanding
goes
a long long way !!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: About recent events concerning "The Eagle"
From:	"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:24:53 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Salix Astur
<salixastur@y...>" <salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites.

Salve collega,

> The key to success is patience. We must accept criticism with an
>open mind, and we must be ready to hear the opinions expressed by
>others. I am sure that these proposals about "The Eagle" will be
>reviewed by the Senate in due time. After some discussion, I think
>that at least most of them will be approved. This will take a few
>weeks, though, because we all have many other projects and ideas,
>and there is just one Senate and two Consuls.

Actually there will be no need for the Senate to review these items.
The Senate is currently voting (again) on an item that will give the
Curator Differum the power to raise funds by means of his own
creation. Once that is done the Curator Differum would be legally
empowered to reissue his edict, whereas he was not before. I believe
the Consul issued his veto because the fund raising idea was released
too early, in advance of the senate vote.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] recent 'heated' posts
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:51:58 +0100

Salve Agricola,

>We need a God to worshipp who represents harmony on
> e-mail lists.
We already have a Goddess of Harmony: Harmonia, the daughter of Mars and
Venus.

<I hereby vote you high priestess of the Cult of Garrula
< Loquacitas.
You have me at a loss. I am nearly afraid to ask what Garrula Loquacitas
means :-p

>I will also be designing a somewhat revealing robe for your new
> priesthood.
LOL! So we can add clothes designing to your many talents! Perhaps you
should start a line of erotic toga wear for those romantic evenings? And I
do hope that you'll design an equally revealing muscled currais to properly
showcase your finely developed body. :-))) We ladies are still waiting
breathlessly for your photo to appear in the Albium Gentium by the way.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
PS: (Sorry but I don't remember how to spell 'curaiss'

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] 62 year old author
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:00:42 -0500 (EST)

Octavia Fabia Scriba;

I am not sure if you are the person who asked about older members of
Nova Roma, but I am a crusty 67 years of age.

I would also be a fiction writer if I had any skill at it, but
unfortuneately (or perhaps fortunately) my skills lie in other areas.

Joining with my Gens mate I would ask that you not judge all of NR by
the rasping remarks of one citizen. Most of those who are active in the
micronation here are serious about what we do, and are careful to
consider the feelngs of others.

That is not to say, that there is no debate, however, for the most part
the actions of the NR Citizens are directed towards the growth of Nova
Roma.

So I most heartily welcome you to Nova Roma, and am pleased to make your
aquaintance. If there is anything that I can do to assist you in NR
plase fell free to contact me.

Respectfully and Sincerely;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Senator, Consular, and Sodalitas Praefectus

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] recent 'heated' posts
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:40:03 EST

In a message dated 2/26/03 7:12:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, diana@pandora.be
writes:

> Life is very difficult at times and while we are on this Earth together, we
> should be as kind and understanding of eachother as we possibly can. If we
> all did that, all of our lives would be brighter, no matter what bumps the
> Fates may place in our paths. After reading some of the recent posts, I
> would like to remind everyone that a bit of kindness and understanding goes
> a long long way !!
>
>

Thank you for this uplifting post, Diana Moravia. It does us all good to
remember this
in our day to day dealings with people.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A time of Grief
From:	"Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>" <optio456@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:50:35 -0000

It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
could not.
After an appropriate time she will be cremated along Roman traditions,
although I imagine her already with my grandparents, chattering away
about her recent crossing of a river...I suppose that in Elysium there
is a universal language.
Anyway, if I seem not to post as regularly as I normally do, the
reason is understood...I am off to my homeland(France) with a stop in
Mexico to spend time with the biological grandmother as is proper and
fitting.
Thank you for your attention.

"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"
"I'll either find a way or invent one!"

Anthony Scott

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] A time of Grief
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:23:28 -0600

I extend my heartfelt sympathy for your loss. When I find myself in
distress, I flee to philosophy. Perhaps this will help:

"With regard to whatever objects either delight the mind, or contribute to
use, or are loved with fondness, remember to tell yourself of what nature
they are, beginning from the most trifling things. If you are fond of an
earthen cup, remind yourself it is an earthen cup of which you are fond;
thus, if it be broken, you will not be disturbed. If you kiss your child, or
your wife, remember you kiss a being subject to the accidents of humanity;
thus you will not be disturbed if either die.

Men are disturbed, not by things, but by their own notions regarding them.

Be not elated over excellences not your own. If a horse should be elated and
say, 'I am handsome,' it would be supportable. But when you are elated and
say, 'I have a handsome horse,' you are elated on what is, in fact, only the
good of the horse.

Require not things to happen as you wish, but wish them to happen as they do
happen. Then all will go well.

In every happening, inquire of your mind how to turn it to proper account.

Never say of anything, 'I have lost it,' but 'I have restored it.' Is your
child dead? It is restored. Is your wife dead? She is restored. Is your
estate taken away from you? Well, and is not that likewise restored? 'But he
who took it away is a bad man.' What is it to you by whose hands He who gave
it hath demanded it again? While He gives you to possess it, take care of
it, but as of something not your own, like a passenger in an inn."

On Surrender To The Will of God
Epictetus

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com> [mailto:optio456@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A time of Grief

It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
could not.
After an appropriate time she will be cremated along Roman traditions,
although I imagine her already with my grandparents, chattering away
about her recent crossing of a river...I suppose that in Elysium there
is a universal language.
Anyway, if I seem not to post as regularly as I normally do, the
reason is understood...I am off to my homeland(France) with a stop in
Mexico to spend time with the biological grandmother as is proper and
fitting.
Thank you for your attention.

"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"
"I'll either find a way or invent one!"

Anthony Scott


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A question re: ancient Roman cuisine
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:42:58 +0000 (GMT)

Apicius. But NOT the Vehling translation. Vehling was a chef who knew cooking a lot better than Latin and what chef ever acknowledged any way of cooking other than his own?

Caesariensis.
-----Original Message-----
>From : John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net>
To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
CC : biojournalism@hotmail.comDate : 25 February 2003 23:22:25
Subject : [Nova-Roma] A question re: ancient Roman cuisine
Salvete Omnes:
>
> Could any citizen point me in the right direction on the topic of ancient Roman cuisine?
>

"Make Love not Profit"

--
Personalised email by http://another.com

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] It's time to vote!
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:46:56 +0100

Salvete Plebeian citizens!

The third run-off election for the 2 vacant offices of Tribunus Plebis is
now under way! If you are a Plebeian citizen, please go to
http://www.novaroma.org and click 'VOTE NOW'. Voting will continue until
Thursday March 6, 18:01 Roman Time, but why wait? Vote now!

Only Plebeian citizens may vote in this election. Not sure if you are a
Plebeian? No problem. Just go to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes
Find the name of your gens (they are listed alphabetically). Two columns to
the right of your Gens name, click on the 'number of cives'. A new page
opens that contains a listing of all the citizens in your Gens. The word
'Patrician' or 'Plebeian' will be written on the left beneath the name of
your Gens. If it says 'Plebeian' then you need to vote!

If you don't remember your voter code or are a new citizen, again, no
problem. You can have it automatically mailed to you by doing the following:

Follow the same procedure as mentioned above. When you reach the page
listing all of the citizens in your Gens, locate your name and click on the
link. On the new page you'll see a box which contains information about you.
Click on "Get voter code". On the new page, enter your year of birth and
click 'request voter code'. Your voter code will be emailed to you. Once you
have your voter code, go to http://www.novaroma.org and click 'VOTE NOW'.

Thank you for your interest in this election!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A time of Grief
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:53:44 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

you have all the sympathy from Gallia. If I can be of any help, please do not hesitate.

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

--- "Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>" <optio456@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
> natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
> struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
> short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
> could not.
> After an appropriate time she will be cremated along Roman traditions,
> although I imagine her already with my grandparents, chattering away
> about her recent crossing of a river...I suppose that in Elysium there
> is a universal language.
> Anyway, if I seem not to post as regularly as I normally do, the
> reason is understood...I am off to my homeland(France) with a stop in
> Mexico to spend time with the biological grandmother as is proper and
> fitting.
> Thank you for your attention.
>
> "Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"
> "I'll either find a way or invent one!"
>
> Anthony Scott
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A time of Grief
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Cornett=20Polanco?= <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:40:57 +0100 (CET)

Anthony Scott,

My deepest condolences to you. I fear that at moments like these I know not what to say. If there is anything you need, please don't hesitate to ask.

Sextus Iulius Serranus
"Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>" <optio456@yahoo.com> wrote:It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
could not.
After an appropriate time she will be cremated along Roman traditions,
although I imagine her already with my grandparents, chattering away
about her recent crossing of a river...I suppose that in Elysium there
is a universal language.
Anyway, if I seem not to post as regularly as I normally do, the
reason is understood...I am off to my homeland(France) with a stop in
Mexico to spend time with the biological grandmother as is proper and
fitting.
Thank you for your attention.

"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"
"I'll either find a way or invent one!"

Anthony Scott


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A time of Grief
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:59:44 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Scott <optio456@y...>"
<optio456@y...> scripsit:
> It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
> natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
> struggle.

Please accept my deepest condolences on the loss of your darling
daughter and know that you have the heartfelt sympathy of Provincia
AmericaBoreoccidentalis -- and indeed of all cives NovaRomani -- with
you at in this time of loss and grief. We are with you wherever you --
and she -- may go.

---
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] A question re: ancient Roman cuisine
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:09:57 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>

On a related note, does anyone know what plant “laserpicium“ is related to?
>I read an article on MSNBC that said when the Romans finally firmally
>
The usual substitute is asa foetida - whatever that comes from. General consensus seems to have been giant fennel, the stalks also being used for tubing purposses (as might be bamboo elsewhere). The next question is whether giant fennel really is extinct or whether it's known under a different name and whether it's fennel at all. For instance, it might have been a secret way of preparing something wellknown, like Hemlock. It would have been in the interest of merchants to keep the original secret, so you can imagine Roman entrepreneurs standing in a field of the stuff being assured that what they were looking for was something else altogether.
Most of the [huge] fennel family are poisonous, particularly the watery ones, of which rather a lot. The best Silphium, said to be extinct when it is first mentioned, came from Iran, the next best from the Nile Delta. Both places are hot and wet so it may have been a slightly poisonous variety. Romans ate poisonous plants (and lead) without realising it. After all, we smoke tobacco... It could not have been Giant Hogweed, about the biggest of that family, because that really is poisonous enough to bring tender skin out in a serious rash and is a Siberian native.
Something else mentioned in Apicius is probably Alexanders, not used now but a smaller related, like a bright yellowy-green stout celery with yellow flowers. Same family: all those like either running water or sandy conditions and hot. (Lovage stalk dried has a good 'meaty' flavour reminiscent of Mar/VegeMite)

Caesariensis.

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] It's time to vote!
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:39:32 -0600

I just voted yesterday. Is this a new one?

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@pandora.be]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:47 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] It's time to vote!

Salvete Plebeian citizens!

The third run-off election for the 2 vacant offices of Tribunus Plebis is
now under way! If you are a Plebeian citizen, please go to
http://www.novaroma.org and click 'VOTE NOW'. Voting will continue until
Thursday March 6, 18:01 Roman Time, but why wait? Vote now!

Only Plebeian citizens may vote in this election. Not sure if you are a
Plebeian? No problem. Just go to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes
Find the name of your gens (they are listed alphabetically). Two columns
to
the right of your Gens name, click on the 'number of cives'. A new page
opens that contains a listing of all the citizens in your Gens. The word
'Patrician' or 'Plebeian' will be written on the left beneath the name of
your Gens. If it says 'Plebeian' then you need to vote!

If you don't remember your voter code or are a new citizen, again, no
problem. You can have it automatically mailed to you by doing the
following:

Follow the same procedure as mentioned above. When you reach the page
listing all of the citizens in your Gens, locate your name and click on
the
link. On the new page you'll see a box which contains information about
you.
Click on "Get voter code". On the new page, enter your year of birth and
click 'request voter code'. Your voter code will be emailed to you. Once
you
have your voter code, go to http://www.novaroma.org and click 'VOTE NOW'.

Thank you for your interest in this election!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A time of Grief
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:44:58 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Scott <optio456@y...>"
<optio456@y...> wrote:
> It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
> natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
> struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
> short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
> could not.

Salve Anthony Scott,

Please accept my sincere and heartfelt condolences on the passing of
your daughter. I'm always saddened to learn of the death of a child,
but I find comfort in knowing that she passed into eternity in the
arms of her father and surrounded by love.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: About recent events concerning "The Eagle"
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:54:20 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Fabi Maxime.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/03 3:16:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> salixastur@y... writes:
>
>
> > I, for instance, am working in a legislative draft to further
> > advance Nova Roma's judicial system, even if most of you do not
> > know it :-).
> >
>
> Hopefully you will show it to us all, before implementing it.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Rest assured that I will. And I will explicitly ask for your
opinions, comments and suggestions.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A time of Grief
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:59:23 +0100

Salve Anthony Scott!

I feel very touched by your message. I just have five minutes at the
computer today, those minutes goes to You and your daughter. I work
with young people and I also come in contact with parents in grief.
My sympathies are with You and I will include You and your family in
my prayers!

>It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
>natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
>struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
>short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
>could not.
>After an appropriate time she will be cremated along Roman traditions,
>although I imagine her already with my grandparents, chattering away
>about her recent crossing of a river...I suppose that in Elysium there
>is a universal language.
>Anyway, if I seem not to post as regularly as I normally do, the
>reason is understood...I am off to my homeland(France) with a stop in
>Mexico to spend time with the biological grandmother as is proper and
>fitting.
>Thank you for your attention.
>
>"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"
>"I'll either find a way or invent one!"
>
>Anthony Scott

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: About recent events concerning "The Eagle"
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:12:55 -0000

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Tiberi Galeri.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Praetor Thank you for your kind words.

You are most welcome.

> However I would like to make one small point. You said in part
> that
> "The key to success is patience. We must accept criticism with an
> open mind, and we must be ready to hear the opinions expressed by
> others.
>
> I agree completely but my ideal was not criticized with the ability
> to come back and debate and win over converts to my view, my idea
> was VETOED, killed at that moment and yes it may come back latter
> but it was killed, VETOED with what I felt was slim justification
> as no feedback had come to me when the information in my idea was a
> month old and known to both Consuls.
>
> Having said this the Junior Consul has send a post that I believe
> helps to clear up some of the misunderstanding and as Roman do we
> move on.

You are certainly right. Your edictum was vetoed. So were some of my
ideas in the past :-).

When I said that "we must accept criticism" I was speaking in a
broader sense. It is just natural that we do not agree with everyone
else all the time; we are Romans, after all :-). But we must not take
these things on a personal level: a veto is just that, a veto. A
temporary drawback. A call to patience. No one has doubted about your
competence, your many qualities or your fitness for your position.

Besides that, I am extremely happy to see that you are satisfied with
the explanations offered by our consules.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: It's time to vote!
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:38:13 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
> I just voted yesterday. Is this a new one?
>

It's the same as yesterday. However if you did vote again, we'll see
that it is a duplicate vote and you'll be ignored.

Q. Cassius Calvus
Rogator


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla <hedeabianchia@unc.edu>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:45:03 -0500

Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I noticed
there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was wondering: how did
most people choose their gens?

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Gens
From:	"Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:54:46 -0000

I don't know what most people do, but I can tell you what I did: When
the gens Aurelia was closed to new members, and I was invited to join
the gens Moravia, I was inspired to accept based on the personality
of the Materfamilias. Diana is kind, welcoming, funny, and smart.
That meant more to me as a new NR citizen than any other fact about
the family.

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
<hedeabianchia@u...> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I
noticed
> there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was wondering: how
did
> most people choose their gens?

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:05:48 -0500

Speaking for myself, I chose the Suetonian gens because of my immense admiration for the celebrated historian, whose writings first introduced me to the civilization of classical antiquity. I was lucky in that the The Paterfamilias of that gens was most gracious in welcoming me into the family!

L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gens

Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I noticed
there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was wondering: how did
most people choose their gens?


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:17:12 -0800

Ave

That question has a variety of answers. :)

Some people might have persona's they chose to carry over from the SCA or some other re-enactment group.

Some, like myself, wanted to take a name out of honor for someone historical.

Others might have corresponded with members of a gens they were interested in.

Others might have been recommended to gentes.

There are probably a million different answers.

Hope this helps,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gens

Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I noticed
there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was wondering: how did
most people choose their gens?


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] My prayers are with you
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:28:06 -0000

My prayers are with you in your deepest hours.

Octavia Fabia Scriba


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] My prayers are with you
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:27:42 -0000

My prayers are with you in your deepest hours.

Octavia Fabia Scriba


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Great Web site for non-classical ancient cultures
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:43:25 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

If you need an excellent bibliography of books on other peoples who
lived in ancient times, The Web site is at:
http://home1.gte.net/bastetka/nclaseur.htm

I'd been looking for Sarmatian, Scythian and Celtic names that were
commonly used in ancient Roman times, but in other non-classical
areas of the world. This site has a wonderful bibliography. Enjoy.

Valete,
Octavia Fabia Scriba