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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Laserpicium--Could it be related to modern asafoetida?
From:	"biojournalism <biojournalism@hotmail.com>" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:00:20 -0000

Salve,

See the following Websites:
http://www.ucd.ie/~classics/96/Fisher96.html

Here is an excerpt from the site: You can probably find it by asking
your Middle Eastern or Indian grocery about asafoetida, the closest
thing to it today that's not extinct. There's a debate, though,
whether or not the modern asfoetida had any relationship to the
ancient Roman silphion, and whether silphion had any relationship to
laserpicium. I did the search with www.dogpile.com.

Here's an excerpt from the Web site: Quoted below:

"Pliny the Elder provides a long list of uses for the root of the
plant, laserpicium, or for the distilled juice, laser: they could be
used to add taste to food (its nearest modern equivalent appears to
be the asafoetida still widely used in Middle Eastern and Indian
cookery), or to treat inter alia sore windpipes, corns, wounds,
snake bites, scorpion stings, anal growths, chilblains, pleurisy,
alopecia and toothache (though Pliny doesn't advise this last
application, in a mixture of silphion and wax, since one who tried
it jumped off a cliff)."

"[5] Other medical and culinary sources confirm its varied uses. In
the kitchen, for example, it could be used as a spice to add to a
sauce for roast bird (Ar. Birds 534f., 1580ff.) or lamb (Athen.
147d), or cheese, as a sauce for a ray (Archestratus ap. Athen.
284d), and so on; equally wide culinary uses are found in Pseudo-
Apicius' cook-book.[6] Medically, it appears as an element in a
variety of treatments for pleurisy, pneumonia, dropsy and other
fevers in passages from the Hippocratic writers, and in comedy
usually as part of ointments to treat eye-diseases."

"[7] According to Pliny, the plant was so valued that large amounts
of public expenditure were lavished, in the late Republic, to ensure
its importation: he gives two instances, the importing of 30 pounds
at public expense in the consulships of G. Valerius and M. Herennius
(93 BC), and of 1500 lbs during Caesar's dictatorship, at the start
of the civil war (49 BC).[8] In fact, by Pliny's time the variety
grown in Cyrene, allegedly the most potent, was no longer available;
the rather peculiar reason alleged is that publicani would make
greater profit grazing their herds on the pasturage - perhaps
because as Theophrastus, (hist. plant.6.3.1-6) explains, the crop
was thought to be very beneficial to sheep, improving their health,
fattening them and improving the flavour (producing pré silphié
lamb, like the pré salé lamb fed on salty marshes in Normandy)".

"Moorhouse, however, followed by Commager and Ferguson, claimed the
plant was used to treat hysteric and neurotic conditions, while
Catullus confesses he is mad (l.10, vesanus); on this view the
reference ironically suggests that the poet needed treatment for his
condition, and this constitutes another dark and distancing element
in the poem.[11] It is hard to find, however, in the descriptions of
the plant's uses, any indication that it was thought to help
specifically in the treatment of mental disorders; and to suppose
even an ironic hint that in this poem Catullus recognises the need
for a cure for his 'madness' seems unhelpful. A new approach seems
needed, based more securely on what the drug was actually used for;
but reference either to a cooking-spice or an element in the
treatment of illness does not seem to add much point to the poem."

End quoted excerpt.

To find all the sources, use www.dogpile.com as your search engine
and type in Laserpicium. What comes up is a large number of Web
sites. Asafoetida is related to the extinct silphium. The only
problem is that silphium is rumored to be cannabis. Whether it is or
not, I don't know. In any case, as a fan of the novels of Steven
Saylor, his 1994 novel, Arms of Nemesis mention silphium given to
one of his characters in the novel for a head injury to cause
forgetfulness.

Vale,

Octavia


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:11:49 -0800 (PST)

I started my gens, but everyone who has joined so far said they were attracted to the fact that I openly have Jesus Christ as our gens diety.

No to say that was the only reason, but I believe it was a major factor in most choosing Bianchia.

MBA

----- Original Message -----
From: Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gens

Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I noticed
there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was wondering: how did
most people choose their gens?


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Gens
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:27:22 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
<hedeabianchia@u...> scripsit:
> Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I
noticed there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was
wondering: how did most people choose their gens?

Good question! I'm the only active member of one of those small
gentes, gens Sempronia. I harangued, nagged and cajoled until I was
admitted, partly because, by two years ago, I had been going
by "Julilla Sempronia" since early 1997 and was quite attached to the
praenomen and nomen. Equally important, however, was the rich history
of the gens. The Semproni were originally an Etruscan tribe who lived
in Rome from the early days of the Republic and, though plebeian,
sent a number of men through the cursus honorem to the curule chair.

In the twilight of the republic, two of gens Sempronia's most famous
sons, Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus and his younger brother, Gaius,
stepped onto the stage of history between 137-121 BCE at a time when
civil unrest presaged the civil war that ultimately brought down the
Republic. Both served under cousin C. Scipio Aemilianus (adopted
grandson of Scipio Africanus), both ascended to public office, both
attacked the status quo and initiated land reforms, and both fell,
murdered by their political opponents for their populist beliefs.

Gens Sempronia Gracchi was ultimately raised to patrician status by
Imperator Augustus, and the last mention I have found of a Sempronii
is from Nero's time.

What an ancient and illustrious history! And this is but one of
Roma's illustrious gentes! I could not let the name die out!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:46:23 -0500

Salve Dryantilla, et Omnes,

As the Senator Lucius Sulla stated, "That question has a variety of answers. :)" With which I entirely agree.

He also pointed out: "Some, like myself, wanted to take a name out of honor for someone historical."

This would be closest to my response. I named myself for the Dictator Aulus Postumius Tubertus (5th cent. ante Christum). I would guess to say that Senator Sulla has an admiration of Dictator Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (first cent. ante Christum), or that Senator Fabius Maximus has a liking for (too) Dictator Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus (3rd cent a.c.), and so on. I think we all have our likings for the Ancient Romans. I would say that could have been one of the quickest drivers for those who named themselves after Ancients.

Anyway, not that you cared to know, that's just my response to things.

Valete,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

Retiarius, Scriba, Citizen, Accensus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla <hedeabianchia@unc.edu>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:26:09 -0500

Which happens to be my reason for choosing this gens. :)

--On Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:11 PM -0800 Centurion M Bianchius
Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I started my gens, but everyone who has joined so far said they were
> attracted to the fact that I openly have Jesus Christ as our gens diety.
>
> No to say that was the only reason, but I believe it was a major factor
> in most choosing Bianchia.
>
> MBA

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	"Vestinia, called Vesta" <optia_vesta@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:51:37 -0800 (PST)

--- Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I started my gens, but everyone who has joined so far said they
> were attracted to the fact that I openly have Jesus Christ as our
> gens diety.
>
> No to say that was the only reason, but I believe it was a major
> factor in most choosing Bianchia.

On the other side of the fence, one of the reasons I chose Caprenia
was that Vesta Herself was listed as a patron for the gens.

Vestinia Caprenia

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla <hedeabianchia@unc.edu>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:06:21 -0500

On the contrary - that was exactly what I was looking for: personal reasons
for choosing one's name. In a society modeled after the ancients, I think
it appropriate (and neat - I'm a first-year history major, after all) for
people to take on the name of someone they admired historically. Plus, some
of the answers have been a wonderfull refresher of not-so-recently studied
ancient history (the Gracchi brothers) :)

Dryantilla

> Anyway, not that you cared to know, that's just my response to things.
>
> Valete,
>
> Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus
>
> Retiarius, Scriba, Citizen, Accensus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Return
From:	"nathan guiboche" <nathanguiboche@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:09:00 -0600

Salve LMP

You and I have much the same stories, and I am very happy with your desire
to return to NR. I have the very same reasons you have for returning to our
republic. Once a Nova Roman, always a Nova Roman!!

QS

>From: "Lucius Mauricius Procopious <lespeterson@yahoo.com>"
><lespeterson@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Return
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:24:17 -0000
>
>Salvete Omnes!
>I have my affairs in order to the point that I am now prepared to re-
>appear here in Nova Roma. I hope that you will allow me to apologize
>for my lack of participation the last few months of my terms as
>Propraetor and Tribune. I kept my eye on the Tribunes list and the
>Provincial list in case of emergency but did not participate. Please
>accept my assurance that my personal life was in disorder to the
>point that I was no longer a functional asset for Nova Roma. I have
>been able to restore enough order to my life that I have the
>resources to continue my participation in our great nation. I have
>been honored by my propraetrix beyond what I deserve in her offer of
>a legate-ship. I accept and hope this is an oportunity for me to make
>amends for "dropping the ball" at the end of my service. Thank you
>for this chance to serve.
>
>I, Lucius Mauricius Procopious (M.L.Peterson) do hereby solemnly
>swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
>interests of Julilla Sempronia Magna while I hold this office, except
>when such action would be illegal or unconstitutional.
>
>I, Lucius Mauricius Procopious (M.L.Peterson) further swear to
>fulfill the obligations and Rresponsibilities of the office of
>Legatus, America Boreoccidentalis Maior:Regio I - Vasintonia
>Boreoccidentalis to the best of my abilities while following the
>Roman virtues and ideals.
>
>I, Lucius Mauricius Procopious (M.L.Peterson) swear to give faithful
>service to my magistrate, and not to divulge any information
>discussed in confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the
>discretion of my magistrate. On my honor as a Citizen of Nova
>Roma,and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman
>people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of
>Legatus, America Boreoccidentalis Maior: Regio I - Vasintonia
>Boreoccidentalis with all the privileges, obligations, and
>responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
>
>Given under my hand A.D. X Kal. Martias MMDCCLVI
>AUC in the
>Consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus
>Labienus Fortunatus.
>
>
>Lucius Mauricius Procopious
>Legatus, America Boreoccidentalis Maior
>Regio I - Vasintonia Boreoccidentalis
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: A time of Grief
From:	"Livia Cornelia Hibernia <lindaw@san.rr.com>" <lindaw@san.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:07:58 -0000

Please accept my most heartfelt condolences on you loss.
You will be in my prayers.

---
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Scott <optio456@y...>"
<optio456@y...> wrote:
> It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
> natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
> struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
> short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
> could not.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Gens
From:	"Livia Cornelia Hibernia <lindaw@san.rr.com>" <lindaw@san.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:21:16 -0000

Salve,

I chose Gens Cornelia mainly because of two historical figures,
Scipio Africanus and Tacitus. Sulla was also an exceptional Cornelian
from history too. The historical aspect was probably the most
important point for me, not the number of members nor the fact that
it is a Patrician Gens (although those were pluses).

Vale

- Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
<hedeabianchia@u...> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I
noticed
> there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was wondering: how
did
> most people choose their gens?

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Gens
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 04:48:01 -0800

Salve, Julilla Sempronia Magna -

On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 12:27:22AM -0000, Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
> <hedeabianchia@u...> scripsit:
> > Just out of curiosity: I was browsing the Album Gentium, and I
> noticed there are gens that have from 1 to 99 members. I was
> wondering: how did most people choose their gens?
>
> Good question! I'm the only active member of one of those small
> gentes, gens Sempronia. I harangued, nagged and cajoled until I was
> admitted, partly because, by two years ago, I had been going
> by "Julilla Sempronia" since early 1997 and was quite attached to the
> praenomen and nomen. Equally important, however, was the rich history
> of the gens. The Semproni were originally an Etruscan tribe who lived
> in Rome from the early days of the Republic and, though plebeian,
> sent a number of men through the cursus honorem to the curule chair.
>
> In the twilight of the republic, two of gens Sempronia's most famous
> sons, Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus and his younger brother, Gaius,
> stepped onto the stage of history between 137-121 BCE at a time when
> civil unrest presaged the civil war that ultimately brought down the
> Republic. Both served under cousin C. Scipio Aemilianus (adopted
> grandson of Scipio Africanus), both ascended to public office, both
> attacked the status quo and initiated land reforms, and both fell,
> murdered by their political opponents for their populist beliefs.
>
> Gens Sempronia Gracchi was ultimately raised to patrician status by
> Imperator Augustus, and the last mention I have found of a Sempronii
> is from Nero's time.
>
> What an ancient and illustrious history! And this is but one of
> Roma's illustrious gentes! I could not let the name die out!

And, lest we forget, Cornelia Mother of the Gracchi was revered by the
women of AR as the highest example of dignity in times of suffering - as
if the gens needed to shine any brighter. :) A heritage to be most proud
of, indeed.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Nil desperandum!
Never despair!
-- Horace, "Carmina"

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A time of Grief
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:51:48 +0100

Dear Mr Scott:
Only by being a father, as I am too, can someone imagine the pain
you´ve got in your heart.
I am with you. Think abot death as a liberation, like in the last few
minutes in Gladiator movie.

Yours in pain

antonius adrianus urcitanus
----- Mensaje Original -----
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Fecha: Miercoles, Febrero 26, 2003 8:50 pm
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] A time of Grief

> <html><body>
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> It is my sad duty to report the passing of my adored daughter, of
>
> natural causes, sometime monday night in my arms after a valiant
>
> struggle. She was all of 4 years old but in the brief and all too
>
> short time that I had her I tried to give her the life her parents
>
> could not.
>
> After an appropriate time she will be cremated along Roman traditions,
>
> although I imagine her already with my grandparents, chattering away
>
> about her recent crossing of a river...I suppose that in Elysium there
>
> is a universal language.
>
> Anyway, if I seem not to post as regularly as I normally do, the
>
> reason is understood...I am off to my homeland(France) with a stop in
>
> Mexico to spend time with the biological grandmother as is proper and
>
> fitting.
>
> Thank you for your attention.
>
>
>
> "Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:56:29 +0100

Salve,
Speaking for myself, I chose a gens honouring to a Roman character who
came from my area. Living in the south of Spain, I couldn´t enter other
gens that ADRIANA gens, honouring the best emperor ever: My fellow
countryman P. AELIUS ADRIANUS

VALE

antonius adrianus urcitanus

----- Mensaje Original -----
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Fecha: Jueves, Febrero 27, 2003 0:05 am
Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens

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> immense admiration for the celebrated historian, whose writings
> first introduced me to the civilization of classical antiquity. I
> was lucky in that the The Paterfamilias of that gens was most
> gracious in welcoming me into the family!
>
>
>
> L. Suetonius Nerva
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Elections For Tribuns Plebis
From:	"sceptia <sceptia@yahoo.es>" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:51:46 -0000

Salvete omnes

Citizens, this is the third time we must cast our votes. So I
strongly recommend a high participation on this election.

Being a Tribunus Plebis is not a comfortable office, but we who
run for the representation of the plebeian cives will do our best.

So if you please I call all the voters to show their wills -and wits.
:-)

I hope Quorum will be reached this time.

Vale bene,

L. Didivs Geminvs Sceptivs
- Candidate to Tribunus Plebis-

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Gens
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:13:15 +0100

Salve Arnamentia,
Salvete everyone!

< and I was invited to join the gens Moravia, I was inspired to accept based
on the personality
<of the Materfamilias. Diana is kind, welcoming, funny, and smart.
<That meant more to me as a new NR citizen than any other fact about
<the family.
Ahh Arnamentia angel, I describe you in precisely the same way! You forgot
to mention that I'm also extremely egotistical and extremely insecure which
gives the false impression that I am balanced Ha Ha!!

We've been through this 'why I picked my name?' conversations a few times
and I always enjoy them! I was Diana Aventina in the Pagan Federation since
1997 (in honor of the Goddess Diana of Aventina hill in Rome. I found Nova
Roma around May 1999 and the first person who befriended me was a fellow
Pagan named Nicholas Moravius. Soon after he adopted me as his sister. I'm
the only Moravii left from the 'old' days but I do know that 'Moravia' is
not an historical Gens. Maybe my gensmate Laureatus knows? Honestly, if I
could do it again, I would choose an historical person's name :-p

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] It's time to vote!
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:25:38 +0100

Salve Agricola,

As our Rogator Q Cassius Calvus has already mentioned, it is the same
voting for the 2 open offices of Tribune, which will continue though March
6.
During the last run-off, we had such a poor voter turn out that none of the
candidates won the 18 tribe majority needed to win the election. Going
through so many run-off's is a real endurance test for the candidates and a
lot of work for our Rogatores (judges of the election) and Curator Araneae
(our webmaster).

So during this run-off, expect a lot of emails from me nagging citizens to
vote!

And while I am at it, if anyone reading this is a Plebeian citizen, don't
forget to vote!! If you don't know how, see below! (My apologies to those in
digest mode !)

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
********************

Salvete Plebeian citizens!

The third run-off election for the 2 vacant offices of Tribunus Plebis is
now under way! If you are a Plebeian citizen, please go to
http://www.novaroma.org and click 'VOTE NOW'. Voting will continue until
Thursday March 6, 18:01 Roman Time, but why wait? Vote now!

Only Plebeian citizens may vote in this election. Not sure if you are a
Plebeian? No problem. Just go to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes
Find the name of your gens (they are listed alphabetically). Two columns to
the right of your Gens name, click on the 'number of cives'. A new page
opens that contains a listing of all the citizens in your Gens. The word
'Patrician' or 'Plebeian' will be written on the left beneath the name of
your Gens. If it says 'Plebeian' then you need to vote!

If you don't remember your voter code or are a new citizen, again, no
problem. You can have it automatically mailed to you by doing the following:

Follow the same procedure as mentioned above. When you reach the page
listing all of the citizens in your Gens, locate your name and click on the
link. On the new page you'll see a box which contains information about you.
Click on "Get voter code". On the new page, enter your year of birth and
click 'request voter code'. Your voter code will be emailed to you. Once you
have your voter code, go to http://www.novaroma.org and click 'VOTE NOW'.

Thank you for your interest in this election!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] EQUIRRIA
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:12:55 -0500

27 Feburary III Kal Mart NP

EQUIRRIA

This was a festival of horse-racing, traditionally instituted by Romulus and held in honour of Mars in the Campus Martius, or if this was flooded, on open ground on the Caelian hill. It is uncertain whether chariots were involved. The site in the Campus Martius may be the Trigarium on its west side. Another day of racing was celebrated on 14 March, but we do not know why these two Equirria fell so close together. At any rate Mars was honoured twice, once before his own month began, and the spring was the time to prepare for the campaigning season and to exercise the horses after the winter.

Today is a "dies nefastus publicus" (NP), a day of special religious observance when legal business cannot take place.

Mars nos protegis.

Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Flamen Martialis

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] FYI ] Public lecture - New York City - March 13
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:57:29 -0500

Salve Romans FYI

>Subject: [ANE] directions Re: [ANE] public lecture - New York City - March 13
>Reply-To: ane@listhost.uchicago.edu
>
>St. John's College Spring 2003 Personal and Professional Development
>Series, History Department, and Graduate Division present a lecture
>
>The Secret of the Syllables:
>Solving the Mystery of the Origins of Writing
>
>by Peter T. Daniels
>
>6-7:30 p.m.
>Thursday, March 13, 2003
>
>St. John Hall, Room 208
>St. John's University
>8000 Utopia Parkway
>Queens, New York
>
>For Interdisciplinary Post-Guest Lecture Reception 7-9 pm (Marillac
>Terrace), RSVP by March 6 Gregory M. Kelly 718-990-2738 or
>sjcalumni@stjohns.edu
>
>directions available at <http://www.stjohns.edu>
>
>Specifically (the website is very slow) (paste long URL)
>
><http://www.stjohns.edu/pls/portal30/sjudev.school.home?p_siteid=40&p_navbar=292&p_id=55604#queensdirec>
>--
>Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Endorsement
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:19:03 -0000

AVETE OMNES

The Plebeian citizens are actually requested to express their will
through the Comitia Plebis Tributa to elect two more Tribuni Plebis.
I want to express my support for Laenas, a citizen
which really did an amazing job last year as a Consular Quaestor,
when for the first time Nova Roma had to collect taxes.
I simply suggest you to think about the dedication he already showed.

But you all know that we must fill _two_ positions of Tribune. I also
suggest you to strongly consider Sceptius, whose work I can fully
appreaciate in this moment I am working with him in the Cohors
Aedilis of Franciscus Apulus Caesar, and I'm sure you will appreciate
it too very soon! ;-)

These two guys deserve our attention! Both of them are still willing
to dedicate themselves to Nova Roma. Why shouldn't we give them this
opportunity? ;-)

BENE VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Qvaestor
Accensvs Senior Primvs Consvlis Senioris
Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
----------------------------
PROVINCIA ITALIA
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Thanks to all
From:	"Anthony Scott <optio456@yahoo.com>" <optio456@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:10:26 -0000

It is with great affection that I thank those who have written in
support in the last few days.My adored dughter will be cremated
tonight as per Religio Romana tradition and law, then I am taking some
of my leave time and going home, both hers and mine.
One of you wrote mentioning that wonderful end scene in Gladiator,
where
Maximus finally dies...in Samurai tradition, death is viewed with gret
joy, although the father in me cannot see it right now. I have leaned
very much on family and friends and they have been wonderful....As
you, my adopted Roman family have been.
So, I wil be postins something that I have written regarding what I
think my little one saw ans experienced when she arrived at Elysium...

Thank you all again!


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Endorsement
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:41:13 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes,

> The Plebeian citizens are actually requested to express their will
> through the Comitia Plebis Tributa to elect two more Tribuni Plebis.
> I want to express my support for Laenas, a citizen
> which really did an amazing job last year as a Consular Quaestor,
> when for the first time Nova Roma had to collect taxes.
> I simply suggest you to think about the dedication he already showed.

I join Honorable Serapio in his endorsement for Honorable Laenas. I have seen the
wonderful work he did. I am sure he will show the same dedication and hard work for the
position of Tribune Plebis.

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:46:39 -0500 (EST)

My purpose in starting the Gens Minucia was to honor a man who was not
famous, but rather like myself who served honorably in the military, and
who became in the fullness of time an acknowledged technician in the
service of his Legion (XXth) and his country. We don't know very much
about this man, except that he was legionary in the XXth Legio, and he
was "Miles Immunes" in that legion which indicates a successful career
as both a soldier and a specialist (Gromaciti / Gubanator--Military
Surveyor / Pilot). He is commemorated by a very distinctive funeral
altar, which indicates that there were those who survived him who
thought enough of his contributions to the Roman World to raise a
significant ediface to his memory. He was a Plebian and the Gens has
been since raised to Patrian Rank for suitable service to Nova Roma.

The Gens is a small one, and genrally speaking the members are of an
independent nature, and we are more like "brothers and sisters", rather
than "paterfamilias and children."

While I am Christain in my personal beliefs, this Nova Roma is a place
dedicated to the Roman Religio and in keeping with that aspect the
Minucia Gens Gods are Roman and reflect those Gods which most likely
were the ones closest to the Gens namesake and hs religious beliefs.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] CHARIOT RACES in Factio Praesina - RESULTS!!!
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:47:39 -0800 (PST)

AVETE OMNES

It's time for the whole Nova Roma to know the facts of
the glorious Green Team! The Factio Praesina!
During past days Factio Praesina had some great time
with our internal chariot races. Here below you can
find the results of the races and their commentaries.
You will also discover who our new Green Champion is!

If you want to become a member of the Green Team
running with our colour you simply need to join Factio
Praesina by subscribing our mailing list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina

And now, let's go to the circus! ;-)

--------------------------------

AVETE OMNES

Here they are! The Ludi of Factio Praesina, the Green
team, finally started!!!!

Here are the two semifinals. Tomorrow it will take
place the Final race!!!!!

-------------------------------------------------------
FIRST SEMIFINAL

1-INEXPUGNABILIS II
driver: Euthymius
Sponsor Caius Curius Saturninus

2. LEO
driver: Sextus
Sponsor Numerius Cassius Niger

3. BASILEA
driver: Septimius Raurax
Sponsor Tiberius Annaeus Otho

4. DELECTA MEA
driver: Scorpianus
Sponsor Julilla Sempronia Magna

A totally Praesina Race! This should happen during
normal Ludi too!
No violence, no accidents, just training and enjoying
the race. However you could sense tension in the
atmoshpere. Each driver wanted to show himself.
Immediately the struggle was between Delecta Mea and
Leo, but during the last lap a member of the Russata
managed to come into the circus and set a chicken free
among the chariots. Scorpianus, the driver of Delecta
Mea, nearly felt off the chariot while reining in. And
in that very moment the great Inexpugnabilis II took
advantage of the situation hurrying and passing
Julilla's chariot. Inexpugnabilis II approached Leo
but before our soldiers could pinion the red
scoundrel, this stupid guy of factio Russata managed
to throw a big piece of Parmigiano cheese against
Euthymius, the driver of Inexpugnabilis II. Euthymius
managed to stay on his chariot but it was too late, as
Basilea took advantage of Inexpugnabilis' trouble
overtooking him and crossing the finishing line just
after Leo.
Leo and Basilea qualify for the Final!
Unfortunately that red guy managed to free himself and
run away. Somebody says he has been seen after a few
minutes with a person which looked like a certain red
Aedile... uhmmmm, that's not nice at all! ;)
Scorpianus, after noticing he had been overtaken,
decided to catch the chicken. Then reached the
finishing line taking his time, and gave the fowl to
his Domina, Julilla Sempronia Magna. Ok, at least we
are going to have a good banquet after the races!!! ;)

Winner: LEO
2nd: BASILEA
3rd: INEXPUGNABILIS II
4th: DELECTA MEA

Classified for the final: Leo and Basilea

=====================================================

SECOND SEMIFINAL

1. THE GREEN HORNET
driver: Marcus Fulgor Gladius
Sponsor Marcus Minucius Audens

2. VOLATILIS
driver: Pelops Celer
Sponsor Titus Labienus Fortunatus

3. THE THUNDERBURST
driver: Appius Claudius Falco
Sponsor Sextus Cornelius Cotta

4. ESSEDUM
driver: Italicus
Sponsor Manius Constantinus Serapio

Ouch! What a difficult situation! Before the race the
drivers of Essedum and The Thunderburst were
discussing: "I want to win... but that's the chariot
of a Senator!" "I would like to win too.... but that's
the chariot of a CONSUL!!!" But wise Audens found
them: "That's a game. Enjoy!" (well, he said much more
obviously, but that's just for the sake of brevity
--grinnnnn!) (sorry, my friend, just kidding!)
Volatilis immediately took the lead, with Essedum and
The Green Hornet behind him, and The Thunderburst at
the end. After several laps, however, you could see
how Peopls Celer, the driver of Volatilis, was
fatigued. It was in that moment that Essedum hurried
up ad passed him. But The Green Hornet is not an
incompetent. Marcus Fulgor Gladius spured his horses.
In a few seconds they reached and overtook Essedum
which simply looked at the dust cloud, forced to curb
not to crash against the wall of the circus. The
Thunderburst passed in that very moment. In the
meantime The Green Hornet found Volatilis which had to
be doubled! This situation slowed down its sprint. The
Thunderburst passed it and won the race! The Green
Hornet immediately followed it. then Essedum and
(after three minutes), Volatilis, whose horses were
simply walking and overworked (!).
The Thunderburst and The Green Hornet qualify for the
Final!
The Dominus Factionis decided to spend some money of
the Green Team to buy four new horses for Volatilis,
so that during the real races during the Ludi will
really create a lot of troubles to our opponents! ;)

Winner: THE THUNDERBURST 3
2nd: THE GREEN HORNET 1
3rd: ESSEDUM 1
4th: VOLATILIS 2

Classified for the final: The Thunderburst and The
Green Hornet

Let's see tomorrow who will be the Green Champion
among these four great chariots!!!
-Leo
-The Thunderburst
-Basilea
-The Green Hornet

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae

==========================================

THE FINAL

1. LEO
driver: Sextus
Sponsor Numerius Cassius Niger

2. THE THUNDERBURST
driver: Appius Claudius Falco
Sponsor Sextus Cornelius Cotta

3. BASILEA
driver: Septimius Raurax
Sponsor Tiberius Annaeus Otho

4. THE GREEN HORNET
driver: Marcus Fulgor Gladius
Sponsor Marcus Minucius Audens

The four chariots are ready. The Dominus Factionis
keep the scarf in his hand waiting for the right
moment... NOW! The scarf falls on the sand and sixteen
horses start running furiously! The other members of
the Green Team wave their flags and ruge of passion!
It is Basilea which takes the lead in the first
straight line. Just behind you can see The Green
Hornet, led by Marcus Fulgor Gladius. Also, Leo and
The Thunderburst are fighting cutting ahead of each
other, but in this way they are allowing Basilea and
The Green Hornet to gain ground.
During the second straight line of the fifth lap
Basilea's horses are really galloping at full speed
and Septimius Raurax, its driver, must strongly stop
and turn not to crash against the wall of the curve.
Marcus Fulgor Gladius notes his opponent's trouble and
decides to take advantage of the situation with an
amazing sprint! The Green Hornet overtakes Basilea and
takes the lead of the race at the sixth lap! We are at
the end! Septimius Raurax immediately spurs his horses
and manages to approach The Green Hornet. Marcus
Fulgor Gladius looks back Basilea, AND THAT'S THE
MISTAKE! Just for a while he looses control of the
horses, and that's sufficient for Basilea to pass The
Green Hornet again! Basilea is now unstoppable. The
Green Hornet is again behind him but that's totally
unuseful. Basilea crosses the finishing line first for
delirium of his fans in the Green circus! Then The
Green Honet and, after a few seconds, Leo and The
Thunderburst.
Basilea wins!
BASILEA, OF TIBERIUS ANNAEUS OTHO, IS THE GREEN
CHAMPION CHARIOT!!!!
All the members of the Factio Praesina congratulate
Septimius Raurax and Tiberius Annaeus Otho (which
shall offer a cup of falernum to each member of the
Green team! grinnnn!). Now he is the champion of our
Factio! He jumps on his chariot with the driver
Septimius Raurax for a lap of honour in the circus.

Winner: BASILEA
2nd: THE GREEN HORNET
3rd: LEO
4th: THE THUNDERBURST

And now, let's have our banquet with Julilla's
chicken, Saturninus' Parmigiano cheese and Tiberius'
drinks! ;-)

See you in next Ludi! Next time it will be a difficult
task: we won't meet our Green friends, but guys from
the other teams, AND WE MUST WIN!!!!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens
From:	Les Peterson <lespeterson@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:42:01 -0800 (PST)

My two sestertius here, I wanted to be a "Marius" but
the Gens was closed at the time or I think the
Paterfamilias was on an understandable hiatus I don't
remember which. So I formed my own gens out of a
derivation of my first name that was near "Marius".
Most interestingly to me is my choice of Procopious. I
"Greeked" the spelling to distinguish myself from my
namesake. The longer I study him. The more I find we
have in common. Our Gens is open to anyone anywhere,
but ideally I'd like it to be a real family
geographically near.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious

--- jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:
> My purpose in starting the Gens Minucia was to honor
> a man who was not
> famous, but rather like myself who served honorably
> in the military, and
> who became in the fullness of time an acknowledged
> technician in the
> service of his Legion (XXth) and his country. We
> don't know very much
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Negative List
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:50:45 -0500 (EST)

Master Agricola;

I accept your apology, and acknowledge that such a mistake can easily
happen to anyone. I do not believe necessarily that have made a
mistake in my assistance to you, but I was not aware of the extent of
your service to NR until your message outlined such.

I will make a fuller reply to the other elements of your message in a
personal E-Mail.

My thanks and appreciation for your prompt reply.

Marcus Minucius Audens

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Gens
From:	"Laureatus Armoricus" <laureatusarmoricus@tiscali.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:55:48 -0000

Salvete Diana et omnes,

The gens Moravia is not an historical one as you pointed out and is derived
from the official english name of its founding father...
Now for my two sestercii : I chose the gens Moravia because it was based in
England where I live and because I also received quickly a warm welcome.
After many tribulations I am very happy today that Diana accepted to be our
materfamilias. And you know mater, although our name lacks historical
flavour we can be grateful to be at the start of a new story; let's make the
best of it by adopting your fluffy bunny philosophy as our family official
religion ;-)
valete in pace dianae et deorum omnium

Moravius Laureatus

We've been through this 'why I picked my name?' conversations a few times
and I always enjoy them! I was Diana Aventina in the Pagan Federation since
1997 (in honor of the Goddess Diana of Aventina hill in Rome. I found Nova
Roma around May 1999 and the first person who befriended me was a fellow
Pagan named Nicholas Moravius. Soon after he adopted me as his sister. I'm
the only Moravii left from the 'old' days but I do know that 'Moravia' is
not an historical Gens. Maybe my gensmate Laureatus knows? Honestly, if I
could do it again, I would choose an historical person's name :-p

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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