| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Tribune Statement about Pontifical decree |
| From: |
"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:32:03 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes!
After the deadline for intercessio has passed this Tribune would like
to declare - as regards the recently issued Pontiffical Decretum -
that he views it as constitutional after having received
clarification from a pontiff but would like to point out the
following constitutional limits to its interpretation:
A Senatorial decree (which is to mean a Senatus Consultum) cannot
remove any sitting magistrate from elected office. This is a
prerogative of the Comitiae electing those magistrates as stated in
IV.A. of the Constitution. The immediate power of the decretum
therefore is limited to magistrates appointed by the Senate. For
other magistrates a SC has merely an advisory function for the
Comitiae who elected them, who can choose not to follow the advice.
Furthermore this decretum cannot supercede laws that were passed in
the Comitiae as is clearly stated in I.B. of the Constitution. Only
decreta for internal procedures are exempt from that (which this
decretum clearly is not. Therefore any part of this decretum that
contradicts - now or in future - a lex is void. In how far this is
the case is up to the magistrates and the Senate involved in a
blasphemy case to decide, subject to Tribunician veto.
Avete et Valete
Marcus Marcius Rex
Tribune of the Plebs
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath of Office |
| From: |
"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius" <sceptia@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:45:57 +0100 |
|
Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) hoc ipso
facto sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi. Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) IVRO quam optime fungi officium muneris Tribunus Plebis.Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Tribunus Plebis ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.
In Nova Roma MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval)
====================================
I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Tribunus Plebis to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Tribunus Plebis and all the rights, privileges, obligations,and responsibilities attendant thereto.
In Nova Roma MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval)
=====================================
Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) por la presente JURO solemnemente defender el honor de Nova Roma, y actuar siempre por los intereses de la gente y el Senado de Nova Roma.
Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) JURO honrar a los Dioses y las Diosas de Roma en mis actos
públicos, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.
Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), JURO mantener y defender la Religio Romana así como la Religión del Estado de Nova Roma y JURO nunca actuar de una manera que amenazaría su condición de Religión del Estado.
Yo,Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) JURO proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.
Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) además JURO cumplir las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Tribuno de la Plebe al máximo de mis capacidades.
Para mi honor como Ciudadano de Nova Roma, y en presencia de los Dioses y
las Diosas de la gente Romana y por su voluntad y favor, ACEPTO el puesto de Tribuno de la Plebe y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones
y responsabilidades que el cargo comporta.
En Nova Roma MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval)
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Naumachiae [ex Re: Digest Number 489] |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:13:59 -0000 |
|
Salve Illustrus Tiberius,
Not, it's uncorrect. Sorry, I'll correct the application form during
this afetrnoon.
Thank you very much!
Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Is it correct, that on the form for the application for the
NAUMACHIAE,
> there are only certain provinces available? I was unable to find
the
> provincia Germania!!!
>
> Valete, TiAnO
>
> =====
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Certified Results - Tribunus Plebis Election |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:17:22 -0000 |
|
Salve Sceptia,
take my congratulations for your appointment. I'm appreciating your
job in my Cohors and I'm sure you'll be a wonderful Magistrate.
To the other candidates, take my "Bonam Fortunam" for other
elections.
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina Comitia Plebis Tributa SPD
>
> Salvete,
>
> The results of the 3rd run-off election for the 2 vacant offices
of Tribunus
> Plebis
> have been certified by the Rogatores.
>
> Due to the small size of many plebeian Tribes, the identities of
the
> citizens that voted could easily
> be recognized, so the actual Tribe numbers won by each candidate
will not be
> published.
>
> Of the 35 tribes, 33 voted. Each candidate needed to win 18 or
more tribes
> in order to be elected:
>
> Results are:
>
> Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius: 19 Tribes
> Gaius Modius Athanasius: 15 Tribes
> Gaius Popillius Laenas : 15 Tribes
> Gaius Geminius Germanus: 6 Tribes
>
> Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius has been elected as Tribunus Plebis!
>
> Another run-off election will be needed to fill the one remaining
vacant
> position of Tribunus Plebis.
> The next run-off election shall be called within 30 days in
accordance with
> V.B.1.a. of the LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS
TRIBUTORUM.
>
> On behalf of myself and my colleagues Marcus Marcius Rex and
Lucius Pompeius
> Octavianus, I would like to welcome Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius
to the
> Tribunate and thank the other 3 candidates for their continued
participation
> and fortitude!
>
> My personal thanks to our team of Rogatores for all of their hard
work!
>
> Valete,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: NAUMACHIA OF ROMA |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:22:44 -0000 |
|
Salve Senator Maximus,
thank you very much for your support, I couldnt' explain better the
Naumachiae as you have did.
Thank you for your suggestions too, this is the first international
version of the Naumachiae and we have to work to improve this
wonderful and funny game. We need helps like yours and my Cohors are
working.
This text will be published in teh official Naumachiae website
creating by me.
Thank you again and I hope you subcribe the game too.
NOVA ROMANS, JOIN NAUMACHIAE ... the new exciting game of Nova
Roma!!!
Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> THE NAUMACHIAE
>
> The recent declaration by the Aediles of a Naumachia or
> naval contest begs the question, what exactly were these?
>
>
> The Romans of the Principate had a tendency for taking
> melodramatic spectacles fusing both fantasy with reality
> in an extravagant manner. A demonstration of this desire
> were the naumachiae, mock naval contests which were
> staged at enormous expense. These were too large to be
> performed in the arena, and needed their own places.
> Some arenas like the Flavian did have large basins of water
> where miniature ships could be maneuvered, but these were
> only shadow achievements when compared to the great
> ones which dozens of warships and thousands of oarsmen
> and gladiators took part. The largest of these shows we have
> chronicled was held by the Emperor Claudius on Lake Fucino,
> a natural lake in the Abruzzi Mountains. We have two descriptions
> of the event Tacitus in Annals and Seutonius Life of Claudius
> from his "The XII Emperors." Tacitus claims that no less than
19,000
> condemned prisoners had manned the ships. Suetonius claimed only
> 24 ships for the same event.
> Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at
peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24
ships with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained.
>
> Emperor Nero had two large ships built to represent Roman and
> Carthaginian 5 banked ships from the Punic War. There on Lake
Nemi,
> Nero would hold mock boarding battles, for the entertainment of
his
> selected guests. Since Nemi was 12 miles from Rome, the average
> Roman never saw the spectacle.
>
> The Naumachiae that were held in the City itself were on an
artificial
> lake, called the stagna. The largest of these complexes that can
be
> seen today in Trastevere and was built by Augustus in late 20s
BCE.
> It was an oval measuring approx.536 yards x 357 yards. Supposedly
there
> was an island 100 yards round in the center. This lake was large
enough to
> allow the use of war galleys, Biremes and Liburnians, perhaps even
Triremes.
>
> Augustus in "Res Gestae" tells us he staged a version of the sea
battle of
> Salamis which in all had 30 biremes and smaller craft.
> A bireme is a galley with two levels of oars. With 15 ships a
side,
> a respectable battle could be fought in a space this size.
>
> Romans gave their contests a historical theme. Usually to
celebrate
> sea victories of the Republic or Empire. Sometimes Greek battles
> were celebrated, Emperor Titus staged the naval battle of Syracuse
> which the Athenians who lost the original battle but won in the
refight.
>
> The battle the Aediles wish to commemorate in this Naumachia is
the
> victory at Cape Ecnomus off the Sicilian coast in 256 BCE. There
350
> Carthaginian 5 oar galleys attempted to double envelop a Roman
fleet
> of 328 5 oar galleys accompanied by 80 transports. The
Carthaginian
> center was broken through before the wings could envelop the
Romans.
> The Carthaginians fled, losing 30 galleys sunk, 50 captured.
> Roman loses were 24 galleys sunk. This victory allowed the Romans
> to invade Carthage, where the Roman army under Consul
> Regulus was destroyed a year later.
>
> People interested in taking part in this event should go to
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm
> and sign up.
>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> Curator SodalitasMunerum
> Nova Roma
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] RE: Blaspemy Decretum Question |
| From: |
cassius622@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:21:45 EST |
|
Salvete,
Patricia Cassia and I have just returned from Rome. I've got a LOT of email
answering and posting to do, but wanted to respond to this question regarding
the Blaspemy Decretum.
Marcus Marcius, I do hope that there will be no constitutionality problem
with the Decretum. The Constitution clearly gives the Collegium Pontificum
power to issue decretums regarding religious issues. This decretum merely
sets a clear policy on how the Collegium Pontificum would deal with public
blasphemy issues should they occur in the future. The Decretum does not
affect the Constitution itself... it merely outlines internal Collegium
procedures for approaching the issue.
Several Citizens have publicly asked for such a decretum in this forum. The
Collegium Pontificum has issued this decretum specifically at their request.
We make it clear that should a 'blasphemy' issue arise, the matter could be
solved equitibly with no consequences - and if it continued the matter would
be turned over to the Senate and Praetors for fair public process, rather
than prosecuted arbitrarily or privately by the Collegium Pontificum.
In any case, to answer your question, a Senatorial Decree would be a Senatus
Consultum, or Senatus Consultum Ultimatum.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
Marcus Marcius Rex wrote:
While pondering over the constitutionality of this decree I came up
with one question for clarification:
What exactly is a senatorial decree?
>
> III. A magistrate who violates the clause and the warning, may be
removed from office by Senatorial decree before any hearing may be
conducted. Failure of such a decree, shall mean the magistrate will
not be tried while sitting, but at end of his term shall immediately
be subject to his hearing.
Marcus Marcius Rex
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] New Egroup for Canada Occidentalis |
| From: |
"nathanguiboche" <nathanguiboche@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:53:42 -0000 |
|
Salve All
I would like to ask anyone interested in joining a new Egroup for
Canada Occidentalis to go the link below, and join! (:-)
Quintus Sertorius
Canada-Occidentalis-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Home page for Canada Occidentalis Egroup |
| From: |
"nathanguiboche" <nathanguiboche@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:26 -0000 |
|
Salve All
Here it the home page for the Egroup for Canada Occidentalis, I
missed sending it in the last email I sent to NR's Egroup.
Quintus Sertorius
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada-Occidentalis
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] NAUMACHIA OF ROMA |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:00:42 -0600 |
|
Ave
"Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at peace,
where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24 ships with
their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton constructed
of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
Disney must be disappointed.)
After the battle the lake was drained."
I heard or read a story about this battle. The prisoners allegedly hailed
Claudius and swore "We who are about to die, salute you" In response,
Claudius dryly muttered "We'll see." The prisoners then refused to fight,
and didn't until Claudius apologized.
The LaSalle Law Office
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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-----Original Message-----
From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com [mailto:qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] NAUMACHIA OF ROMA
THE NAUMACHIAE
The recent declaration by the Aediles of a Naumachia or
naval contest begs the question, what exactly were these?
The Romans of the Principate had a tendency for taking
melodramatic spectacles fusing both fantasy with reality
in an extravagant manner. A demonstration of this desire
were the naumachiae, mock naval contests which were
staged at enormous expense. These were too large to be
performed in the arena, and needed their own places.
Some arenas like the Flavian did have large basins of water
where miniature ships could be maneuvered, but these were
only shadow achievements when compared to the great
ones which dozens of warships and thousands of oarsmen
and gladiators took part. The largest of these shows we have
chronicled was held by the Emperor Claudius on Lake Fucino,
a natural lake in the Abruzzi Mountains. We have two descriptions
of the event Tacitus in Annals and Seutonius Life of Claudius
from his "The XII Emperors." Tacitus claims that no less than 19,000
condemned prisoners had manned the ships. Suetonius claimed only
24 ships for the same event.
Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at peace,
where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24 ships with
their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton constructed
of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
Disney must be disappointed.)
After the battle the lake was drained.
Emperor Nero had two large ships built to represent Roman and
Carthaginian 5 banked ships from the Punic War. There on Lake Nemi,
Nero would hold mock boarding battles, for the entertainment of his
selected guests. Since Nemi was 12 miles from Rome, the average
Roman never saw the spectacle.
The Naumachiae that were held in the City itself were on an artificial
lake, called the stagna. The largest of these complexes that can be
seen today in Trastevere and was built by Augustus in late 20s BCE.
It was an oval measuring approx.536 yards x 357 yards. Supposedly there
was an island 100 yards round in the center. This lake was large enough to
allow the use of war galleys, Biremes and Liburnians, perhaps even
Triremes.
Augustus in "Res Gestae" tells us he staged a version of the sea battle of
Salamis which in all had 30 biremes and smaller craft.
A bireme is a galley with two levels of oars. With 15 ships a side,
a respectable battle could be fought in a space this size.
Romans gave their contests a historical theme. Usually to celebrate
sea victories of the Republic or Empire. Sometimes Greek battles
were celebrated, Emperor Titus staged the naval battle of Syracuse
which the Athenians who lost the original battle but won in the refight.
The battle the Aediles wish to commemorate in this Naumachia is the
victory at Cape Ecnomus off the Sicilian coast in 256 BCE. There 350
Carthaginian 5 oar galleys attempted to double envelop a Roman fleet
of 328 5 oar galleys accompanied by 80 transports. The Carthaginian
center was broken through before the wings could envelop the Romans.
The Carthaginians fled, losing 30 galleys sunk, 50 captured.
Roman loses were 24 galleys sunk. This victory allowed the Romans
to invade Carthage, where the Roman army under Consul
Regulus was destroyed a year later.
People interested in taking part in this event should go to
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm
and sign up.
Q. Fabius Maximus
Curator SodalitasMunerum
Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Aerarium |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:11:00 -0600 |
|
Sounds like a lawsuit
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:52 PM
To: Omnes
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Aerarium
Salvete Omnes,
As you may already know, I have some health problem and I discovered that
my employer
made a terrible mistake in my insurance policy. I was wandering a while
ago if I was not
about to loose everything. Fortunately, my health is somewhat doing better
and my
employer, after several letters through lawyers, admitted that he made a
mistake. He
finally offered me a job in Paris although I am still wandering about the
insurance.
I have not been active enough for Nova Roma and some delays might take
place sometimes. I
am sorry for the inconvenience, but I hope the situation will come back to
normal soon.
Valete,
> The Senate approved this years revised Budget about 9 days ago. I
> have asked my Quaestor to send that document for update within a
> week, I expect to see it there soon. Still my Quaestor Illustrus
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio has terrible problems with his health so it
> could take afew days more. Please be patient.
=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Be aware of the ides of march... |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:56:36 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete omnia,
The ides of march is coming. There isn´t more roman day on all calendar. I personally always used to remember the ides of march with my family, reading Plutarch and making some small familiar theather about. Near mars, I fell like a children near christimas.
And as ever, It is a pleasure share a so great date with all Nova Roma friends.
PLUTARCH - LIFE OF CAESAR - EXTRACT
LXVI. For these things, they may seem to come by chance; but the place where the murther was prepared, and where the Senate were assembled, and where also there stood up an image of Pompey dedicated by himself amongst other ornaments which he gave unto the theatre, all these were manifest proofs, that it was the ordinance of some god that made this treason to be executed, specially in that very place. It is also reported, that Cassius (though otherwise he did favour the doctrine of Epicurus) beholding the image of Pompey, before they entered into the action of their traitorous enterprise, he did softly call upon it to aid him: but the instant danger of the present time, taking away his former reason, did suddenly put him into a furious passion, and made him like a man half besides himself. Now Antonius, that was a faithful friend to Caesar, and a valiant man besides of his hands, him Decius Brutus Albinus entertained out of the Senate-house, having begun a long tale of set purpose. So Caesar coming into the house, all the Senate stood up on their feet to do him honour. Then part of Brutus' company and confederates stood round about Caesar's chair, and part of them also came towards him, as though they made suit with Metellus Cimber, to call home his brother again from banishment: and thus prosecuting still their suit, they followed Caesar till he was set in his chair. Who denying their petitions, and being offended with them one after another, because the more they were denied the more they pressed upon him and were the earnester with him, Metellus at length, taking his gown with both his hands, pulled it over his neck, which was the sign given the confederates to set upon him. Then Casca, behind him, strake him in the neck with his sword; howbeit the wound was not great nor mortal, because it seemed the fear of such a devilish attempt did amaze him and take his strength from him, that he killed him not at the first blow. But Caesar, turning straight unto him, caught hold of his sword and held it hard; and they both cried out, Caesar in Latin:
" O vile traitor Casca, what doest thou?"
and Casca, in Greek, to his brother:
"Brother, help me."
At the beginning of this stir, they that were present, not knowing of the conspiracy, were so amazed with the horrible sight they saw, they had no power to fly, neither to help him, nor so much as once to make an outcry. They on the other side that had conspired his death compassed him in on every side with
[p. 101] their swords drawn in their hands, that Caesar turned him no where but he was stricken at by some, and still had naked swords in his face, and was hackled and mangled among them, as a wild beast taken of hunters. For it was agreed among them that every man should give him a wound, because all their parts should be in this murther : and then Brutus himself gave him one wound about his privities. Men report also, that Caesar did still defend himself against the rest, running every way with his body: but when he saw Brutus with his sword drawn in his hand, then he pulled his gown over his head, and made no more resistance, and was driven either casually or purposedly , by the counsel of the conspirators, against the base whereupon Pompey's image stood, which ran all of a gore-blood till he was slain. Thus it seemed that the image took just revenge of Pompey's enemy, being thrown down on the ground at his feet, and yielding up the ghost there, for the number of wounds he had upon him. For it is reported, that he had three and twenty wounds upon his body: and divers of the conspirators did hurt themselves, striking one body with so many blows.
This text really shakes me!
Valete,
L. Arminius Faustus
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Iliad, Homer, book XX
The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.
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[Nova-Roma] For a good laugh |
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"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
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Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:26:32 -0600 |
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[Nova-Roma] Re: NAUMACHIA OF ROMA |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:29:55 -0000 |
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Salve,
yes, your history is correct. The phrase you have written "We who are
about to die, salute you" is the latin and famous "IMPERATOR,
MORITURI TE SALUTANT" is written only in a historical source about
the Naumachiae organized by Claudius (52 d.c. - Lake Fucino).
But the famous historical films mistakes, this words were said only
in this event.
Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
> Ave
>
> "Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at
peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24 ships
with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained."
>
> I heard or read a story about this battle. The prisoners allegedly
hailed
> Claudius and swore "We who are about to die, salute you" In
response,
> Claudius dryly muttered "We'll see." The prisoners then refused to
fight,
> and didn't until Claudius apologized.
>
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] NAUMACHIA OF ROMA
>
>
> THE NAUMACHIAE
>
> The recent declaration by the Aediles of a Naumachia or
> naval contest begs the question, what exactly were these?
>
>
> The Romans of the Principate had a tendency for taking
> melodramatic spectacles fusing both fantasy with reality
> in an extravagant manner. A demonstration of this desire
> were the naumachiae, mock naval contests which were
> staged at enormous expense. These were too large to be
> performed in the arena, and needed their own places.
> Some arenas like the Flavian did have large basins of water
> where miniature ships could be maneuvered, but these were
> only shadow achievements when compared to the great
> ones which dozens of warships and thousands of oarsmen
> and gladiators took part. The largest of these shows we have
> chronicled was held by the Emperor Claudius on Lake Fucino,
> a natural lake in the Abruzzi Mountains. We have two descriptions
> of the event Tacitus in Annals and Seutonius Life of Claudius
> from his "The XII Emperors." Tacitus claims that no less than
19,000
> condemned prisoners had manned the ships. Suetonius claimed only
> 24 ships for the same event.
> Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was
at peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24
ships with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained.
>
> Emperor Nero had two large ships built to represent Roman and
> Carthaginian 5 banked ships from the Punic War. There on Lake
Nemi,
> Nero would hold mock boarding battles, for the entertainment of
his
> selected guests. Since Nemi was 12 miles from Rome, the average
> Roman never saw the spectacle.
>
> The Naumachiae that were held in the City itself were on an
artificial
> lake, called the stagna. The largest of these complexes that can
be
> seen today in Trastevere and was built by Augustus in late 20s
BCE.
> It was an oval measuring approx.536 yards x 357 yards. Supposedly
there
> was an island 100 yards round in the center. This lake was large
enough to
> allow the use of war galleys, Biremes and Liburnians, perhaps even
> Triremes.
>
> Augustus in "Res Gestae" tells us he staged a version of the sea
battle of
> Salamis which in all had 30 biremes and smaller craft.
> A bireme is a galley with two levels of oars. With 15 ships a
side,
> a respectable battle could be fought in a space this size.
>
> Romans gave their contests a historical theme. Usually to
celebrate
> sea victories of the Republic or Empire. Sometimes Greek battles
> were celebrated, Emperor Titus staged the naval battle of Syracuse
> which the Athenians who lost the original battle but won in the
refight.
>
> The battle the Aediles wish to commemorate in this Naumachia is
the
> victory at Cape Ecnomus off the Sicilian coast in 256 BCE. There
350
> Carthaginian 5 oar galleys attempted to double envelop a Roman
fleet
> of 328 5 oar galleys accompanied by 80 transports. The
Carthaginian
> center was broken through before the wings could envelop the
Romans.
> The Carthaginians fled, losing 30 galleys sunk, 50 captured.
> Roman loses were 24 galleys sunk. This victory allowed the Romans
> to invade Carthage, where the Roman army under Consul
> Regulus was destroyed a year later.
>
> People interested in taking part in this event should go to
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm
> and sign up.
>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> Curator SodalitasMunerum
> Nova Roma
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[Nova-Roma] Re: Tribune Statement about Pontifical decree |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:42:43 -0000 |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, tribune M. Marci Rex.
I would like to publicly congratulate you on your decision.
It was a difficult decision to make, because many points were obscure
and many interests were at stake. But I think that you have managed
to point out what had to be left clear.
Thank you, tribune!
CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP
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[Nova-Roma] JOIN FACTIO VENETA AZUL AZZURRO BLEU BLUE |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:57:37 -0300 |
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Salvete omnes quirites
Factio Veneta (blue) continues with the recruitment of new members. The next ludi are aproaching!!!!. Join us at : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta
Bene valete
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