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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:55:58 +0100 (MET)

Salve!
The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the NR treasury in a good
manner. As the number of rings would not be too big, it would cost more than the
usual ones, and instead of earning something I would give the money to NR. I
first thought about making the golden ring available only to patricians and
Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The gentes-rings are a good idea, too,
but such things would be too costly for most people, I guess. I thought the
original ring design is nice, and the inscription I suggested would be liked
by the citizens. If not, well, give some suggestions.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:01:40 -0500

Sp. Postumius Quiritibus sal.

Salvete,

> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
> <<I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
> have ab official Citizen's Ring.>>
>
> and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix responded:
> <<I do not think it necessary to have a Nova Roma ring...but instead each gens should have its own "signet ring.">>
>
> as did Cnaeus Octavius Noricus:
> I like the idea of a Novaroman Citizens' ring. As Senator L. Cornelius points out, each gens should be allowed to design its own ring. Great idea! Maybe we could agree on a symbol (the NR laurels?) to be embossed into the ring so that it is a symbol both for Nova Roma and for the individual gens.

And I agree with the three. The idea of having a Nova Roman Citizen's ring sounds nice to me. It gives a team feeling (used for lack of better phrasing). But, at the same time, so too does the signet ring, only differing in that it is on a gens-by-gens basis as opposed to the countrywide basis.

As I said, I like both ideas. My only additive thought is that the gentes' signet rings not be considered "official rings of Nova Roma." I'm not sure of exactly how, but it could get us into legal trouble.

Valete,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle and New Subscriptions for THIS year.
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:10:01 -0000

Salve,

To whom should checks/money orders be made payable?

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:12:22 -0600

Ave!

I believe that should you offer what you feel is marketable to the general
citizen public and that would have the widest appeal-in order to raise the
most revenue for NR. If people want something fancy and personal, contract
with them on an individual basis and make a profit. But for the basic SPQNR
ring, I suggest you do it any way you want to. As a charitable act, I
believe you should have as much leeway as you want.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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From: caiustarquitius@gmx.de [mailto:caiustarquitius@gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings

Salve!
The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the NR treasury in a good
manner. As the number of rings would not be too big, it would cost more
than the
usual ones, and instead of earning something I would give the money to NR.
I
first thought about making the golden ring available only to patricians
and
Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The gentes-rings are a good idea,
too,
but such things would be too costly for most people, I guess. I thought
the
original ring design is nice, and the inscription I suggested would be
liked
by the citizens. If not, well, give some suggestions.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"Barry Smith" <bsmith3121@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:44:22 -0500

I would love to have a NR ring. Are you planning on a NR signet type ring?

Caius Titinius Varus
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings

Ave!

I believe that should you offer what you feel is marketable to the general
citizen public and that would have the widest appeal-in order to raise the
most revenue for NR. If people want something fancy and personal, contract
with them on an individual basis and make a profit. But for the basic SPQNR
ring, I suggest you do it any way you want to. As a charitable act, I
believe you should have as much leeway as you want.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

The LaSalle Law Office
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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-----Original Message-----
From: caiustarquitius@gmx.de [mailto:caiustarquitius@gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:56 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings

Salve!
The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the NR treasury in a good
manner. As the number of rings would not be too big, it would cost more
than the
usual ones, and instead of earning something I would give the money to NR.
I
first thought about making the golden ring available only to patricians
and
Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The gentes-rings are a good idea,
too,
but such things would be too costly for most people, I guess. I thought
the
original ring design is nice, and the inscription I suggested would be
liked
by the citizens. If not, well, give some suggestions.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

--
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:02:50 +0100 (MET)

Salve!
The link to the ring is here:
http://www.tarquitii.com/roma_eterna/id11.html

Vale! Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:45:05 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,
Strictly speaking a Signet ring is a mark of an
indiviual, not of a group. It was a means of verifying
that a document was in fact from the person it claimed
to be from.

The decoration on a Signet ring was also a personal
statement about the user, or in Imperial times a
political statement of the Princeps. Pompeius Magnus
used a Lion bearing a sword. Julius Caesar used an
armed Venus. Divus Augustus used a sphinx, then the
head of Alexander the Great, and finaly his own image.

Divus Claudius allowed citizens to wear rings with his
image on them, and this lead to coin rings being made
containing an Imperial coin bearing the Image of Divus
Claudius set in a ring in place of a stone. These
Claudian Coin rings are the closest precedent I can
think of for a citizens ring that everyone might wear.

--- Barry Smith <bsmith3121@msn.com> wrote:
> I would love to have a NR ring. Are you planning on
> a NR signet type ring?
>
> Caius Titinius Varus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jlasalle
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings -
> Nova Roman Rings
>
>
> Ave!
>
> I believe that should you offer what you feel is
> marketable to the general
> citizen public and that would have the widest
> appeal-in order to raise the
> most revenue for NR. If people want something
> fancy and personal, contract
> with them on an individual basis and make a
> profit. But for the basic SPQNR
> ring, I suggest you do it any way you want to. As
> a charitable act, I
> believe you should have as much leeway as you
> want.
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
> The LaSalle Law Office
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message
> is attorney privileged and
> confidential information intended only for the use
> of the individual or
> entity named. If the reader of this message is
> not the intended recipient,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: caiustarquitius@gmx.de
> [mailto:caiustarquitius@gmx.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:56 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings -
> Nova Roman Rings
>
>
> Salve!
> The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the
> NR treasury in a good
> manner. As the number of rings would not be too
> big, it would cost more
> than the
> usual ones, and instead of earning something I
> would give the money to NR.
> I
> first thought about making the golden ring
> available only to patricians
> and
> Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The
> gentes-rings are a good idea,
> too,
> but such things would be too costly for most
> people, I guess. I thought
> the
> original ring design is nice, and the
> inscription I suggested would be
> liked
> by the citizens. If not, well, give some
> suggestions.
> Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.
>
> --
> Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Military Items Update/NR Ring
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:53:53 -0500

Salve I did research in to a NR ring and have a question or two why limit it to 25 and how much?

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Military Items Update/NR Ring

Salvete!
I have updated my Homepage again and included the military items and their
prices. If anyone of you has any questions, feel free to contact me! Also I
would like those of you that are interested in a NR Ring ask to contact me
soon, so that I will know how many have to be made. Also please let me know if
you want to have it in a different material. The golden ring will be limited to
25 pieces ever.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:57:13 -0500

salve I saw the ring in question. Can it be made with the SPQR on the top of the plate and the NR on the sides?

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: caiustarquitius@gmx.de
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings

Salve!
The link to the ring is here:
http://www.tarquitii.com/roma_eterna/id11.html

Vale! Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] test
From:	"scott dolleck" <billgatesson@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:02:29 -0700

Ave,

Test.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:06:10 -0500

Yes there should be a citizens ring in NR!!! That's my two cents

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:22 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings

Salvete Quirites et Salve Illustrus Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!

I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
have ab official Citizen's Ring. Such a ring seem to have been in
existance during the Republic, but mostly done in Iron. There where
also rings of gold. What do you the citizens of Nova Roma think?

The article below has been edited by me to suit my purpose. ;-)

The following article is by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rector
of the High School of Edinburgh on pp 95-97 of William Smith, D.C.L.,
"A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities", John Murray, London,
1875. LL.D. It was found at RomanSites at :
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Annulus.html

ANNULUS (daktuvlioV), a ring.

RINGS IN GREECE
Every freeman in Greece appears to have used a ring; and, at least in
the earliest times, not as an ornament, but as an article for use, as
the ring always served as a seal. Rings were mostly worn on the
fourth finger (paravmesoV, Plut. Sympos. Fragm. lib.iv; Gellius,
x.10). The Lacedaemonians are said to have used iron rings at all
times (Plin. H.N. xxxiii.4). With the exception perhaps of Sparta,
the law does not appear to have ever attempted in any Greek state to
counteract the great partiality for this luxury; and nowhere in
Greece does the right of wearing a gold ring appear to have been
confined to a particular order or class of citizens.

RINGS IN ROME
The custom of wearing rings was believed to have been introduced into
Rome by the Sabines, who are described in the early legends as
wearing gold rings with precious stones (gemmati annuli) of great
beauty (Liv. i.11; Dionys. ii.38). Florus (i.5) states that it was
introduced from Etruria in the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, and Pliny
(l.c.) derives it from Greece. The fact that among the statues of the
Roman kings in the capitol, two, Numa and Servius Tullius, were
represented with rings, can scarcely be adduced as an argument for
their early use, as later artists would naturally represent the kings
with such insignia as characterized the highest magistrates in later
times.

IRON RINGS - CITIZEN'S RINGS
But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, thus
much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that they
were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be used
as seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a ring.
This iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic by
such men as loved the simplicity of the good old times. Marius wore
an iron ring in his triumph over Jugurtha, and several noble families
adhered to the ancient custom, and never wore gold ones (Plin. H.N.
xxxiii.6).

GOLDEN RINGS AND SENATORIAL AMBASSADORS
When senators in the early times of the republic were sent as
ambassadors to a foreign state, they wore during the time of their
mission gold rings, which they received from the state, and which
were perhaps adorned with some symbolic representation of the
republic, and might serve as a state-seal. But ambassadors used gold
rings only in public; in private they wore their iron ones (Plin.
H.N. xxxiii.4).

IUS ANNULI AUREI - THE RIGHT TO WEAR A GOLDEN SEAL RING
In the course of time it became customary for all the senators, chief
magistrates, and at last for the equites also, to wear a gold
seal-ring (Liv. ix.7, 46, xxvi.36; Cic. c. Verr. iv.25; Liv.
xxiii.12; Flor. ii.6). This right of wearing a gold ring, which was
subsequently called the jus annuli aurei, or the jus annulorum,
remained for several centuries at Rome the exclusive privilege of
senators, magistrates, and equites, while all other persons continued
to use iron ones (Appian, de Reb. Pun. 104).

CONFERRING THE RIGHT TO WEAR RINGS
Magistrates and governors of provinces seem to have had the right of
conferring upon inferior officers, or such
persons as had distinguished themselves, the privilege of wearing a
gold ring. Verres thus presented his secretary with a gold ring in
the assembly at Syracuse (Cic. c. Verr. iii.76, 80, ad Fam. x.32;
Suet. Caes. 39). During the empire the right of granting the annulus
aureus belonged to the emperors, and some of them were not very
scrupulous in conferring this privilege.

THE STATUS OF THE RING-WEARER
The status of a person who had received the jus annuli appears to
have differed at different times. During the republic and the early
part of the empire the jus annuli seems to have made a person
ingenuus (if he was a libertus), and to have raised him to the rank
of eques, provided he had the requisite equestrian census (Suet.
Galb. 10, 14; Tacit. Hist. i.13 ii.57), and it was probably never
granted to any one who did not possess this census (Juv. Sat. xi.42;
Mart. viii.5, ii.57).

THE PRACTICAL PURPOSES
The practical purposes, for which rings, or rather the figures
engraved upon them, were used at all times, were the same as those
for which we use our seals. Besides this, however, persons, when they
left their houses, used to seal up such parts as contained stores or
valuable things, in order to secure them from thieves, especially
slaves (Plat. de Leg. xii. p954; Aristop. Thesmoph. 414, &c.; Plaut.
Cas. ii.1.1; Cic. ad Fam. xvi.26, de Orat. ii.61; Mart. ix.88). ...
The signs engraved upon rings were very various, as we may judge from
the specimens still extant: they were portraits of ancestors, or
friends, or subjects connected with the mythology, or the worship of
the gods; and in many cases a person had engraved upon his seal
symbolical allusions to the real or mythical history of his family
(Cic. in Catil. iii.5; Val. Max. iii.5.1; Cic. de Finib. v.1; Suet.
Tib. 58, 63; Plin. H.N. ii.7, &c.). Sulla thus wore a ring with a
gem, on which Jugurtha was represented at the moment he was made
prisoner (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Plut. Mar. 10). Pompey used a ring on
which three trophies were represented (Dion Cass. xlii.18), and
Augustus at first sealed with a sphinx afterwards with a portrait of
Alexander the Great, and at last with his own portrait, which was
subsequently done by several emperors (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Suet.
Aug. 50; Dion Cass. li.3; Spartian. Hadr. 26).

THE VALUE OF A RING
The principal value of a ring consisted in the gem framed in it, or
rather in the workmanship of the engraver. The stone most frequently
used was the onyx (sardw'noV, sardovnux), on account of its various
colours, of which the artists made the most skillful use. In the art
of engraving figures upon gems, the ancients in point of beauty and
execution far surpass every thing in this department that modern
times can boast of. The ring itself (sfendovnh), in which the gem was
set, was likewise in many cases of beautiful workmanship. The part of
the ring which contained the gem was called pala. ...
--
Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Eagle and New Subscriptions for THIS year.
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:07:21 -0500

Salve the check should be made out to the Nova Roma Eagle

Tiberius

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Salve,

To whom should checks/money orders be made payable?

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:38:05 +0100 (MET)

Salve!
Well, the idea was to use an original design. The original does not have any
side decorations, and I do not know of any roman rings that had such. I
thought of SPQNR, as stated in the text.
The idea to limit the golden ring to 25 is simply, that not everyone would
walk around with one, thus making it a special item. The cost of the golden
ring will highly depend on the actual gold price.
Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:46:57 -0500

Salve on the ring in the picture there are side engraving that the NR could take the place of with the SPQR alone on the top plate. You could sell a lot of the rings to other
"Romans " that are not part of NR but are part of SCA like groups. I know this is your project but the SPQR should stand alone. BTW this is a ring for 28th century Romans not those of the 1st.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salve!
Well, the idea was to use an original design. The original does not have any
side decorations, and I do not know of any roman rings that had such. I
thought of SPQNR, as stated in the text.
The idea to limit the golden ring to 25 is simply, that not everyone would
walk around with one, thus making it a special item. The cost of the golden
ring will highly depend on the actual gold price.
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	ames0826@cs.com
Date:	Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:46:18 -0500

It would also be a catchy way to get our Republic out in the public eye. If any of our fellow citizens like to make jewelery as a hobby, this could be their ticket into the Equestrian Order.

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:

> Yes there should be a citizens ring in NR!!! That's my two cents
>
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
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>From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:22 PM
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Cc: caiustarquitius@gmx.de
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
>
>Salvete Quirites et Salve Illustrus Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!
>
>I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma shouldnbsp;
>have ab official Citizen's Ring. Such a ring seem to have been innbsp;
>existance during the Republic, but mostly done in Iron. There wherenbsp;
>also rings of gold. What do you the citizens of Nova Roma think?
>
>The article below has been edited by me to suit my purpose. ;-)
>
>The following article is by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rectornbsp;
>of the High School of Edinburgh on pp 95-97 of William Smith, D.C.L.,nbsp;
>quot;A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquitiesquot;, John Murray, London,nbsp;
>1875. LL.D. It was found at RomanSites at :
>http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Annulus.htmlnbsp;
>
>
>
>ANNULUS (daktuvlioV), a ring.
>
>RINGS IN GREECE
>Every freeman in Greece appears to have used a ring; and, at least innbsp;
>the earliest times, not as an ornament, but as an article for use, asnbsp;
>the ring always served as a seal. Rings were mostly worn on thenbsp;
>fourth finger (paravmesoV, Plut. Sympos. Fragm. lib.iv; Gellius,nbsp;
>x.10). The Lacedaemonians are said to have used iron rings at allnbsp;
>times (Plin. H.N. xxxiii.4). With the exception perhaps of Sparta,nbsp;
>the law does not appear to have ever attempted in any Greek state tonbsp;
>counteract the great partiality for this luxury; and nowhere innbsp;
>Greece does the right of wearing a gold ring appear to have beennbsp;
>confined to a particular order or class of citizens.
>
>RINGS IN ROME
>The custom of wearing rings was believed to have been introduced intonbsp;
>Rome by the Sabines, who are described in the early legends asnbsp;
>wearing gold rings with precious stones (gemmati annuli) of greatnbsp;
>beauty (Liv. i.11; Dionys. ii.38). Florus (i.5) states that it wasnbsp;
>introduced from Etruria in the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, and Plinynbsp;
>(l.c.) derives it from Greece. The fact that among the statues of thenbsp;
>Roman kings in the capitol, two, Numa and Servius Tullius, werenbsp;
>represented with rings, can scarcely be adduced as an argument fornbsp;
>their early use, as later artists would naturally represent the kingsnbsp;
>with such insignia as characterized the highest magistrates in laternbsp;
>times.
>
>IRON RINGS - CITIZEN'S RINGS
>But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, thusnbsp;
>much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that theynbsp;
>were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be usednbsp;
>as seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a ring.nbsp;
>This iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic bynbsp;
>such men as loved the simplicity of the good old times. Marius worenbsp;
>an iron ring in his triumph over Jugurtha, and several noble familiesnbsp;
>adhered to the ancient custom, and never wore gold ones (Plin. H.N.nbsp;
>xxxiii.6).
>
>GOLDEN RINGS AND SENATORIAL AMBASSADORS
>When senators in the early times of the republic were sent asnbsp;
>ambassadors to a foreign state, they wore during the time of theirnbsp;
>mission gold rings, which they received from the state, and whichnbsp;
>were perhaps adorned with some symbolic representation of thenbsp;
>republic, and might serve as a state-seal. But ambassadors used goldnbsp;
>rings only in public; in private they wore their iron ones (Plin.nbsp;
>H.N. xxxiii.4).
>
>IUS ANNULI AUREI - THE RIGHT TO WEAR A GOLDEN SEAL RING
>In the course of time it became customary for all the senators, chiefnbsp;
>magistrates, and at last for the equites also, to wear a goldnbsp;
>seal-ring (Liv. ix.7, 46, xxvi.36; Cic. c. Verr. iv.25; Liv.nbsp;
>xxiii.12; Flor. ii.6). This right of wearing a gold ring, which wasnbsp;
>subsequently called the jus annuli aurei, or the jus annulorum,nbsp;
>remained for several centuries at Rome the exclusive privilege ofnbsp;
>senators, magistrates, and equites, while all other persons continuednbsp;
>to use iron ones (Appian, de Reb. Pun. 104).
>
>CONFERRING THE RIGHT TO WEAR RINGS
>Magistrates and governors of provinces seem to have had the right ofnbsp;
>conferring upon inferior officers, or such
>persons as had distinguished themselves, the privilege of wearing anbsp;
>gold ring. Verres thus presented his secretary with a gold ring innbsp;
>the assembly at Syracuse (Cic. c. Verr. iii.76, 80, ad Fam. x.32;nbsp;
>Suet. Caes. 39). During the empire the right of granting the annulusnbsp;
>aureus belonged to the emperors, and some of them were not verynbsp;
>scrupulous in conferring this privilege.
>
>THE STATUS OF THE RING-WEARER
>The status of a person who had received the jus annuli appears tonbsp;
>have differed at different times. During the republic and the earlynbsp;
>part of the empire the jus annuli seems to have made a personnbsp;
>ingenuus (if he was a libertus), and to have raised him to the ranknbsp;
>of eques, provided he had the requisite equestrian census (Suet.nbsp;
>Galb. 10, 14; Tacit. Hist. i.13 ii.57), and it was probably nevernbsp;
>granted to any one who did not possess this census (Juv. Sat. xi.42;nbsp;
>Mart. viii.5, ii.57).
>
>THE PRACTICAL PURPOSES
>The practical purposes, for which rings, or rather the figuresnbsp;
>engraved upon them, were used at all times, were the same as thosenbsp;
>for which we use our seals. Besides this, however, persons, when theynbsp;
>left their houses, used to seal up such parts as contained stores ornbsp;
>valuable things, in order to secure them from thieves, especiallynbsp;
>slaves (Plat. de Leg. xii. p954; Aristop. Thesmoph. 414, amp;c.; Plaut.nbsp;
>Cas. ii.1.1; Cic. ad Fam. xvi.26, de Orat. ii.61; Mart. ix.88). ...nbsp;
>The signs engraved upon rings were very various, as we may judge fromnbsp;
>the specimens still extant: they were portraits of ancestors, ornbsp;
>friends, or subjects connected with the mythology, or the worship ofnbsp;
>the gods; and in many cases a person had engraved upon his sealnbsp;
>symbolical allusions to the real or mythical history of his familynbsp;
>(Cic. in Catil. iii.5; Val. Max. iii.5.1; Cic. de Finib. v.1; Suet.nbsp;
>Tib. 58, 63; Plin. H.N. ii.7, amp;c.). Sulla thus wore a ring with anbsp;
>gem, on which Jugurtha was representednbsp; at the moment he was madenbsp;
>prisoner (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Plut. Mar. 10). Pompey used a ring onnbsp;
>which three trophies were represented (Dion Cass. xlii.18), andnbsp;
>Augustus at first sealed with a sphinx afterwards with a portrait ofnbsp;
>Alexander the Great, and at last with his own portrait, which wasnbsp;
>subsequently done by several emperors (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Suet.nbsp;
>Aug. 50; Dion Cass. li.3; Spartian. Hadr. 26).
>
>THE VALUE OF A RING
>The principal value of a ring consisted in the gem framed in it, ornbsp;
>rather in the workmanship of the engraver. The stone most frequentlynbsp;
>used was the onyx (sardw'noV, sardovnux), on account of its variousnbsp;
>colours, of which the artists made the most skillful use. In the artnbsp;
>of engraving figures upon gems, the ancients in point of beauty andnbsp;
>execution far surpass every thing in this department that modernnbsp;
>times can boast of. The ring itself (sfendovnh), in which the gem wasnbsp;
>set, was likewise in many cases of beautiful workmanship. The part ofnbsp;
>the ring which contained the gem was called pala. ...
>--nbsp;
>Valete
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:32:14 +0100 (MET)

Salve!
I thought this is what I am doing here... well not myself, but...
Vale, Caius.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:34:51 +0100 (MET)

Salve!
Contrary, the Iron ring would be much more expensive. Brass or bronze rings
would not be much cheaper, but much more uncomfortable to wear, so I think
silver is all right.
Vale, Caius.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"Livia Cornelia Hibernia" <lindaw@san.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:58:38 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

I really like the idea of ring and I don't think that having a Nova
Roma ring prevents any gens from creating its own ring also; after
all, most of us have ten fingers. Making the ring purly a gens
related item would be rather limiting to the gens with few civies. A
general NR ring would be better in that case. Larger gens would still
be free to produce their own ring if they wished.

I agree that a gold ring should be made in limited quantities, due to
the cost of godl. However, I think that the limit should be on a
single production run and not a once and forever limit. Once the
first run sells out (assuming it DOES sell out) another limited run
could be done if there were enough interest ("interest" being
expressed in the form of a downpayment, perhaps).

Certainly an iron or other base metal ring (so long as it doesn't
turn your finger green :) ) could be made in much larger production
runs.

Just my II sistercii.

Livia Cornelia Hibernia

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> Salve!
> Well, the idea was to use an original design. The original does not
have any
> side decorations, and I do not know of any roman rings that had
such. I
> thought of SPQNR, as stated in the text.
> The idea to limit the golden ring to 25 is simply, that not
everyone would
> walk around with one, thus making it a special item. The cost of
the golden
> ring will highly depend on the actual gold price.
> Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:40:25 +0100 (MET)

"I know this is your project but the SPQR should stand alone"

Salve!
And why, exactly, should this be the case? I will offer very soon aa large
amount of reconstructed roman rings. There will be more than enough choice for
anyone who is interested. Apart from that I think the NR on the shoulders of
the ring does not really make sense, if there is already a SPQR on top?
Vale, Caius.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Feel the fragrance of Love
From:	"berrysmith77" <berrysmith77@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:48:21 -0000

Since God's love doesn't have color, why shall ours? Join us and love
is in the air!

http://www.InterracialMatch.com/i/01

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Sink the enemy!
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:47:56 -0000

Salvete,

JOIN NAUMACHIAE
the first Nova Roman naval game

Take your boat, command your captain
and sink your enemy

NAMACHIAE COMING SOON DURING MEGALESIA LUDI
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Feel the fragrance of Love
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:10:34 +0100

Dear Berry,
< Since God's love doesn't have color, why shall ours? Join us and love
< is in the air!
<http://www.InterracialMatch.com/i/01

Sorry sir, I like my men like I like my coffee- 'light and sweet'. But if
you fix me up with Denzel Washington I might consider changing to 'strong
and black'.

That said, this is not the right place for your advertizing, but the best of
luck as a matchmaker.

Vale,
Diana

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Welcome Honorable Julia Gladia Quintiliana!
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:20:06 +0100

Salve, Julia Gladia Quintiliana!

Welcome to Nova Roma. I hope you will have fun sharing with us your
interest about Ancient Rome.

Vale bene

antonius adrianus urcitanus

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Fecha: Miercoles, Marzo 12, 2003 10:23 pm
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Welcome Honorable Julia Gladia Quintiliana!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:24:25 +0100

Salvete omnes!

A ring? IT SOUNDS FANTASTIC!!When can it be bought? How? Where? I want
to know!
By the way, just a suggestion: If we want it to be our exclusive
identification, it shuold be sold ONLY to Nova Roma registered citizen.

Valete omnes

antonius adrianus urcitanus

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Fecha: Miercoles, Marzo 12, 2003 11:18 pm
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings

> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> Salvete Quirites et Salve Illustrus Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!
>
>
>
> I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
>
> have ab official Citizen's Ring. Such a ring seem to have been in
>
> existance during the Republic, but mostly done in Iron. There
> where
>
> also rings of gold. What do you the citizens of Nova Roma think?
>
>
>
> The article below has been edited by me to suit my purpose. ;-)
>
>
>
> The following article is by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E.,
> Rector
>
> of the High School of Edinburgh on pp 95-97 of William Smith,
> D.C.L.,
>
> "A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities", John
> Murray, London,
>
> 1875. LL.D. It was found at RomanSites at :
>
> http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ANNULUS (daktuvlioV), a ring.
>
>
>
> RINGS IN GREECE
>
> Every freeman in Greece appears to have used a ring; and, at least
> in
>
> the earliest times, not as an ornament, but as an article for use,
> as
>
> the ring always served as a seal. Rings were mostly worn on the
>
> fourth finger (paravmesoV, Plut. Sympos. Fragm. lib.iv; Gellius,
>
> x.10). The Lacedaemonians are said to have used iron rings at all
>
> times (Plin. H.N. xxxiii.4). With the exception perhaps of Sparta,
>
> the law does not appear to have ever attempted in any Greek state
> to
>
> counteract the great partiality for this luxury; and nowhere in
>
> Greece does the right of wearing a gold ring appear to have been
>
> confined to a particular order or class of citizens.
>
>
>
> RINGS IN ROME
>
> The custom of wearing rings was believed to have been introduced
> into
>
> Rome by the Sabines, who are described in the early legends as
>
> wearing gold rings with precious stones (gemmati annuli) of great
>
> beauty (Liv. i.11; Dionys. ii.38). Florus (i.5) states that it was
>
> introduced from Etruria in the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, and
> Pliny
>
> (l.c.) derives it from Greece. The fact that among the statues of
> the
>
> Roman kings in the capitol, two, Numa and Servius Tullius, were
>
> represented with rings, can scarcely be adduced as an argument for
>
> their early use, as later artists would naturally represent the
> kings
>
> with such insignia as characterized the highest magistrates in
> later
>
> times.
>
>
>
> IRON RINGS - CITIZEN'S RINGS
>
> But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, thus
>
> much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that they
>
> were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be
> used
>
> as seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a
> ring.
>
> This iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic by
>
> such men as loved the simplicity of the good old times. Marius
> wore
>
> an iron ring in his triumph over Jugurtha, and several noble
> families
>
> adhered to the ancient custom, and never wore gold ones (Plin.
> H.N.
>
> xxxiii.6).
>
>
>
> GOLDEN RINGS AND SENATORIAL AMBASSADORS
>
> When senators in the early times of the republic were sent as
>
> ambassadors to a foreign state, they wore during the time of their
>
> mission gold rings, which they received from the state, and which
>
> were perhaps adorned with some symbolic representation of the
>
> republic, and might serve as a state-seal. But ambassadors used
> gold
>
> rings only in public; in private they wore their iron ones (Plin.
>
> H.N. xxxiii.4).
>
>
>
> IUS ANNULI AUREI - THE RIGHT TO WEAR A GOLDEN SEAL RING
>
> In the course of time it became customary for all the senators,
> chief
>
> magistrates, and at last for the equites also, to wear a gold
>
> seal-ring (Liv. ix.7, 46, xxvi.36; Cic. c. Verr. iv.25; Liv.
>
> xxiii.12; Flor. ii.6). This right of wearing a gold ring, which
> was
>
> subsequently called the jus annuli aurei, or the jus annulorum,
>
> remained for several centuries at Rome the exclusive privilege of
>
> senators, magistrates, and equites, while all other persons
> continued
>
> to use iron ones (Appian, de Reb. Pun. 104).
>
>
>
> CONFERRING THE RIGHT TO WEAR RINGS
>
> Magistrates and governors of provinces seem to have had the right
> of
>
> conferring upon inferior officers, or such
>
> persons as had distinguished themselves, the privilege of wearing
> a
>
> gold ring. Verres thus presented his secretary with a gold ring in
>
> the assembly at Syracuse (Cic. c. Verr. iii.76, 80, ad Fam. x.32;
>
> Suet. Caes. 39). During the empire the right of granting the
> annulus
>
> aureus belonged to the emperors, and some of them were not very
>
> scrupulous in conferring this privilege.
>
>
>
> THE STATUS OF THE RING-WEARER
>
> The status of a person who had received the jus annuli appears to
>
> have differed at different times. During the republic and the
> early
>
> part of the empire the jus annuli seems to have made a person
>
> ingenuus (if he was a libertus), and to have raised him to the
> rank
>
> of eques, provided he had the requisite equestrian census (Suet.
>
> Galb. 10, 14; Tacit. Hist. i.13 ii.57), and it was probably never
>
> granted to any one who did not possess this census (Juv. Sat.
> xi.42;
>
> Mart. viii.5, ii.57).
>
>
>
> THE PRACTICAL PURPOSES
>
> The practical purposes, for which rings, or rather the figures
>
> engraved upon them, were used at all times, were the same as those
>
> for which we use our seals. Besides this, however, persons, when
> they
>
> left their houses, used to seal up such parts as contained stores
> or
>
> valuable things, in order to secure them from thieves, especially
>
> slaves (Plat. de Leg. xii. p954; Aristop. Thesmoph. 414, &c.;
> Plaut.
>
> Cas. ii.1.1; Cic. ad Fam. xvi.26, de Orat. ii.61; Mart. ix.88).
> ...
>
> The signs engraved upon rings were very various, as we may judge
> from
>
> the specimens still extant: they were portraits of ancestors, or
>
> friends, or subjects connected with the mythology, or the worship
> of
>
> the gods; and in many cases a person had engraved upon his seal
>
> symbolical allusions to the real or mythical history of his family
>
> (Cic. in Catil. iii.5; Val. Max. iii.5.1; Cic. de Finib. v.1;
> Suet.
>
> Tib. 58, 63; Plin. H.N. ii.7, &c.). Sulla thus wore a ring
> with a
>
> gem, on which Jugurtha was represented at the moment he was made
>
> prisoner (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Plut. Mar. 10). Pompey used a ring
> on
>
> which three trophies were represented (Dion Cass. xlii.18), and
>
> Augustus at first sealed with a sphinx afterwards with a portrait
> of
>
> Alexander the Great, and at last with his own portrait, which was
>
> subsequently done by several emperors (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Suet.
>
> Aug. 50; Dion Cass. li.3; Spartian. Hadr. 26).
>
>
>
> THE VALUE OF A RING
>
> The principal value of a ring consisted in the gem framed in it,
> or
>
> rather in the workmanship of the engraver. The stone most
> frequently
>
> used was the onyx (sardw'noV, sardovnux), on account of its
> various
>
> colours, of which the artists made the most skillful use. In the
> art
>
> of engraving figures upon gems, the ancients in point of beauty
> and
>
> execution far surpass every thing in this department that modern
>
> times can boast of. The ring itself (sfendovnh), in which the gem
> was
>
> set, was likewise in many cases of beautiful workmanship. The part
> of
>
> the ring which contained the gem was called pala. ...
>
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] To the Tribunes of NR
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:37:11 +0100

Salve Paulinus,

If you'd ever like to address all Tribunes directly without the mainlist
audience, you can always email us at tribunes@yahoogroups.com

That said, this is more of an issue for the Senate as they are responsible
for the budget. My colleague Marcus Marcius will write an 'official'
response from the Tribunes a bit later. But it looks fine to me, and once
again, I salute your enthusiasm!
I have a question (*not* an attack!!!! ): The subscription costs 20 USD for
10 issues, so when (for example) someone donates 50 USD, 30 goes for general
support of the Eagle? Actually, this is a good idea: you need extra start
off money to finance things like mugs and even the ring idea and once that
gets rolling, the Eagle will be self-sufficient.

Vale,
Diana

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:56:28 +0100

Salve,
I´ve read that Iron rings are more expensive than brass or golden ones.
Well, speaking for myself, I must say that I dont´care as long as it is
far more authentic. I prefer a purely genuine iron ring to the more
nowadays silver one. Besides, I wouldn´t like it to have any text at
all because I prefer a simple ring to a flamboyant Signet. By the way,
if it has to be engraved, I´d like nothing more than SPQR on it
(Without the "N") since we don´t know if we will belong to Nova Roma in
4 years time!
Well, after all I guess the best thing ti that anyone could choose, but
maybe it would make the ring almost unaffordable!

vale

urcitane

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A bit of help: TIPICALLY ROMANS DESIGNS
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:59:52 +0100

Salvete omnes,
Someone I know is desperately searching for a tipically Roman design to
get it tattooed. The pictures you can get in the Internet Tattooing web
sites are the classic tribal ones, and the ealges you can find there
are related to the American eagle, not to the Roman Imperial ones.
Where can I get these designs? Someone knows any page? Could somone
send me any drawings?

Vale et gratias multas

antonius adrianus urcitanus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] To the Tribunes of NR
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:10:16 -0500

Salve Diana Moravia Aventina

The Consuls have both signed off on it and suggested I pass it by the Tribunes.
The budget the Senate passed said it was ok, if I don't promise anything past this year.
Yes if you donate $50, $20 goes for you subscription and the rest is used to publish other issues.

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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From: Diana Moravia Aventina
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Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] To the Tribunes of NR

Salve Paulinus,

If you'd ever like to address all Tribunes directly without the mainlist
audience, you can always email us at tribunes@yahoogroups.com

That said, this is more of an issue for the Senate as they are responsible
for the budget. My colleague Marcus Marcius will write an 'official'
response from the Tribunes a bit later. But it looks fine to me, and once
again, I salute your enthusiasm!
I have a question (*not* an attack!!!! ): The subscription costs 20 USD for
10 issues, so when (for example) someone donates 50 USD, 30 goes for general
support of the Eagle? Actually, this is a good idea: you need extra start
off money to finance things like mugs and even the ring idea and once that
gets rolling, the Eagle will be self-sufficient.

Vale,
Diana

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:48:48 +0100 (MET)

Salve!
I would suggest that if you want an authentic ring, go for the numerous
originals that will be on my page soon. It is not that the silver ring is
unauthentic, contrary, we have much mor arcaeological evidence for these than for
iron rings (guess why... silver does not rost) The SPQNR ring will be available
only to NR citizens, yes. That should be clear from my HP. If you are not
member any more in four years, you still have a nice souvenir.
Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Rings
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:42:45 -0500 (EST)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

The idea of rings strikes me as an interesting one. I think that there
are several things to consider about such an item. Senator Sulla
mentions "Gens Rings" and I think that an excellent idea as well,
however, for those Citizens not being a part of a large or clannish
gens, both ideas are certainly worth pursueing.

It is obvious that the honored Consul Quintillianus has put a great deal
of thought into this idea, as a means of making Nova Roma a little
stronger and a little more well known to the world around us, so I
cannot concieve of a reason not to have such a ring if there are those
desirous of wearing such.

There is also the idea of a Sodalitas Ring. The Sodalitas Militarium
has a large number of members, the membership being based generally on
thier desire to be a part of the Militarium Specialty, much as with
joining a Gens. Since the Militarium has been formaly approved by the
Senate, it is much like a Gens in the matters of specific interests and
internal communication. The same can be said for the Sodalitas Egressus
and other approved Sodaliti (sp??). So I would be willing to look to
the members of each of the above Sodaliti to come up with a suitable
ring design for that Sodalitas should they desire to do so.

The coin rings previously mentioned by another Senator is an equally
interesting aspect, and the use of a minature NR Coin or something
similar seems to me to be a good idea. We should seriously consider
also the following aspects:

--Plebian and Patrician Class;

--Cursus Honorium;

--Senate Appointment;

--Magisterial Election;

--Academia Appointment;

--Religious Priesthood;

--Provincial Propraetor / ProConsul Appointment;

--Other positions or appointments of value to individual citizens.

All of these above positions are honored ones and probably a matter of
very great pride to those who currently, or who in the past have held
them. One suggestion might be a very plain metal ring (gold, silver,
steel, etc.) with a plain inscription, and a place for an organizational
or personal design. For my part, if I decide to wear an NR ring, I
would want to work on making and engraving it myself, and so would be
interested in the recommended design ideas from our Citizens. I would
probably make such a ring from a large Monel or Stainless Steel nut
drilled to my finger size, filed or ground to shape, polished,

(I would like to have a rather heavy blocky design)

with room on the ring face and ring shoulders for specific engravings.
Those engravings would be rendered with a Dremel Tool, and high quality
steel engraving bits. I have seen this undertaken on long submarine
patrols, with handtools and patience, with the result being a very nice
signet ring.

It is my belief that at this point in our discussion of such, almost any
idea for ring creation, use and design would be welcome. However,
perhaps a limitation of how any given idea in this area should be used
or deat with is a tad premature.

In addition, perhaps the following areas might be considered for those
who already have rings of some special value that they wear. In my case
a submarine ring, a masonic ring, and my wedding band are about the
limit of those rings that I desire to wear. Each has a very special
eaning for me, and I should be unwlling to part with any of the three.
However, perhaps a watch design (on either side of the movement case),
a wrist bracelet, ankle bracelet, or a tag chain worn around the neck,
very much like the modern day medical tags worn by those who have heart,
disbetes, or other medical concerns. I have sent all my NR coins to a
good friend, to a good friend to use in a Roman Event, but when I get a
chance to get another one, I shall drill a small hole in it and suspend
it from my current medical neckchain.

Again, in my personal case, I am partial to the idea of the neckchain
and tag, and to the watch decoration, as I have seen both used to very
good effect in the military. I would use the signet ring suspended from
my neck during face-to-face events to give "approval" on wax seals for
various communications.

Thank you, Honored Senior Consul Quintillianus for your excellent ideas,
and for bringing the issue before Nova Roma for a free and open
discussion and for the generation of some new ideas. Such a forum will
always be welcome on this list. I would hope that my few unworthy ideas
would generate some really good ideas in the minds of our citizens.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] A bit of help: TYPICALLY ROMAN DESIGNS
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:55:14 EST

In a message dated 3/13/03 6:02:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
urcitanus@terra.es writes:

> Someone I know is desperately searching for a tipically Roman design to
> get it tattooed. The pictures you can get in the Internet Tattooing web
> sites are the classic tribal ones, and the ealges you can find there
> are related to the American eagle, not to the Roman Imperial ones.
> Where can I get these designs? Someone knows any page? Could somone
> send me any drawings?
>
>

There two Imperial Eagles in sculpture, one with wings folded, the other,
wings outstretched.
However, I must point out that Romans did not tattoo. That was a barbarian
custom
that originated with the Skythians, and was adopted by the Germans. It was
never common
or even approved among Romans.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Feel the fragrance of Love
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:02:20 -0600

how about strong and white?

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Feel the fragrance of Love

Dear Berry,
< Since God's love doesn't have color, why shall ours? Join us and love
< is in the air!
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Sorry sir, I like my men like I like my coffee- 'light and sweet'. But if
you fix me up with Denzel Washington I might consider changing to 'strong
and black'.

That said, this is not the right place for your advertizing, but the best
of
luck as a matchmaker.

Vale,
Diana

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] A bit of help: TYPICALLY ROMAN DESIGNS
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:04:16 -0600

Roman Designs
300 examples of Roman decoration taken from sculpture, mosiacs, pottery,
metlawork, glass, jewellry and lamps found in the British Museum. All the
line drawings are captioned and explained.
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I like the Roman shield with lightining bolts and wings

GBA

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A bit of help: TYPICALLY ROMAN DESIGNS

In a message dated 3/13/03 6:02:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
urcitanus@terra.es writes:

> Someone I know is desperately searching for a tipically Roman design to
> get it tattooed. The pictures you can get in the Internet Tattooing web
> sites are the classic tribal ones, and the ealges you can find there
> are related to the American eagle, not to the Roman Imperial ones.
> Where can I get these designs? Someone knows any page? Could somone
> send me any drawings?
>
>

There two Imperial Eagles in sculpture, one with wings folded, the other,
wings outstretched.
However, I must point out that Romans did not tattoo. That was a
barbarian
custom
that originated with the Skythians, and was adopted by the Germans. It
was
never common
or even approved among Romans.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Joint declaration of the Consules: The neutrality of Nova Roma
From:	Christopher Mortimer <zhonuusa@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:00:15 -0800 (PST)

Salvete
This is a honorable declaration, and I support it
fully.
L. Metellus Berkelienses
--- Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@telia.com> wrote:
> The neutrality of Nova Roma
>
> Currently the United States of American and the
> Republic of Iraq are
> poised on the brink of war. Nova Roma is a global
> community
> containing citizens of many nations sharing a common
> citizenship in
> our micronation.
>
> Among these many citizens of Nova Roma it is natural
> that diverse
> opinions exist concerning the appropriateness of a
> .of an US-led war
> vs. Iraq. We do not expect, nor do we request or
> require that our
> citizens adopt any particular position with respect
> to this conflict,
> save only that all citizens shall make every
> possible effort to
> respect the considered opinions of their fellow Nova
> Roman citizens.
>
> A significant number of Nova Roman citizens are
> members of the armed
> forces of their respective macronations. Some of
> these citizens may
> be called away to serve in the anticipated war.
> Without endorsing the
> position held by any particular nation, we
> acknowledge and salute
> these courageous citizens as they prepare for this
> coming conflict.
> Whatever your individual belief about the rightness
> or wrongness of
> the coalition countries positions please join us in
> recognizing the
> manifestation of the Virtues in these brave people,
> our brother and
> sister citizens.
>
> Nova Roma respects Islam and all other religions as
> we expect others
> to respect the Religio Romana.
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Titus Labienus Fortunatus
> Consul Consul
> Nova Roma Nova Roma
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus
> Provincia Thules
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
>
>

=====
Chris. Mortimer
"OM AH HUNG BEZAR GURU PEMA SIDDHI HUNG"
The Vajra Guru Mantra

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Neutrality Proclamation
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:11:32 -0000

Illustri Caseo Fabius Quintillianus et Titus Labienus Fortunatus--

THANK YOU for your proclamation!

I think neutrality with regard to the possible conflict combined with
respect to those who may be required to fight in that conflict is an
entirely honorable and appropriate attitude to take. :)

---
Renata Corva

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	Octavius Giraldo-Vay <octavius@octavius-jewelrydesign.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:57:16 -0700

Salvete amici

This is my first post in Nova Roma since I became a member last year
and I'm not too savvy with computers. I could duplicate any ancient
piece of jewelry, hand engrave it and change it to the wearer's desire.
As in ancient times the lost wax and fabrication methods would be
used. I would suggest 14k gold ( rose, yellow, white etc) since with
this metal fingers would not turn green. I'll be happy to answer any
questions in the art of jewelry making.

Valete omnes. Cum aestimatio.

Lucius Calpurnius Piso
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:58 PM, Livia Cornelia Hibernia
wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I really like the idea of ring and I don't think that having a Nova
> Roma ring prevents any gens from creating its own ring also; after
> all, most of us have ten fingers. Making the ring purly a gens
> related item would be rather limiting to the gens with few civies. A
> general NR ring would be better in that case. Larger gens would still
> be free to produce their own ring if they wished.
>
> I agree that a gold ring should be made in limited quantities, due to
> the cost of godl. However, I think that the limit should be on a
> single production run and not a once and forever limit. Once the
> first run sells out (assuming it DOES sell out) another limited run
> could be done if there were enough interest ("interest" being
> expressed in the form of a downpayment, perhaps).
>
> Certainly an iron or other base metal ring (so long as it doesn't
> turn your finger green :) ) could be made in much larger production
> runs.
>
> Just my II sistercii.
>
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, caiustarquitius@g... wrote:
> > Salve!
> > Well, the idea was to use an original design. The original does not
> have any
> > side decorations, and I do not know of any roman rings that had
> such. I
> > thought of SPQNR, as stated in the text.
> > The idea to limit the golden ring to 25 is simply, that not
> everyone would
> > walk around with one, thus making it a special item. The cost of
> the golden
> > ring will highly depend on the actual gold price.
> > Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.
> >
> > --
> > Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
> >
> >
> > +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++
> > Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage!
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
From:	"Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:08:31 -0000

Salvete Quirites.

I would also like to say a couple of things about the idea of a
citizenship ring.

It is an excellent idea, and it has aroused much enthusiasm.
Obviously, every citizen has a certain idea of what would be the
perfect design for the ring; but I think that many of us (and I
include myself in that group) would probably seriously consider
buying *any* design that is historically appropriate, ideologically
representative of Nova Roma and aesthetically good.

The final decision, of course, lies in the makers of these rings.
They will probably want to choose a model that is supported by the
largest possible number of citizens (since that means the largest
possible number of potential buyers). If they want, I would be happy
to help them prepare an informal poll on this mailing list to help
them decide.

My own opinion (well, everyone is entitled an opinion :-) ) is that
any script should read "SPQR" and not "SPQNR". That is what we have
on our flag, and it is a symbol into itself (like "USA" for our
American citizens) that is very close to our hearts. It would also
allow the makers to sell this ring to foreign citizens, if such is
their desire.

As for gens rings, sodalitas rings, legion rings, provincial rings,
municipal rings, patrician rings, plebeian rings, personal rings...
I am sure that our aurifices (goldsmiths) will be more than happy to
reach a reasonable agreement with the interested parties.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fwd: Open Letter from Imperium Romanorum
From:	Gnaeus Marius <gnmariusasia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:26:36 -0800 (PST)

Salve All,

Since it was recently posted on the main list, I have
been trading emails with one of the Consuls of
Imperium Romanorum, as well as several of their Cives.

They feel genuinely wounded by certain comments made
at the website, and apparently by certain others from
private emails, and their Consul that I have had the
most contact with (one Quintus Caius Aurelius) has
asked me to post an open letter to all Nova Romani as,
considering the above, he is unsure of the reception
his letter would get otherwise, despite my assurances
to the contrary.

I am very torn in sending this to the main list. As
many of you may know, I have been a Citizen of Nova
Roma for many years; while I have not had the ability
to participate in NR to the extent that I wanted to,
due to my situation in the "mundane" world, I have
always felt that all Romani should be united in
purpose, if that purpose be the restoration of Rome
and Her ideals to a place in the real, macro-national
world.

To this end, I present below the unedited text of Q.
Caius Aurleius' Open Letter.

Vale bene,

Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus
Cives Roma

Note: forwarded message attached.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Open Letter from Imperium Romanorum
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:33:32 -0800

Ave,

There are no attachments on this email. Because of spam. You will need to copy the message into your email and send it.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Marius
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:26 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Open Letter from Imperium Romanorum

Salve All,

Since it was recently posted on the main list, I have
been trading emails with one of the Consuls of
Imperium Romanorum, as well as several of their Cives.

They feel genuinely wounded by certain comments made
at the website, and apparently by certain others from
private emails, and their Consul that I have had the
most contact with (one Quintus Caius Aurelius) has
asked me to post an open letter to all Nova Romani as,
considering the above, he is unsure of the reception
his letter would get otherwise, despite my assurances
to the contrary.

I am very torn in sending this to the main list. As
many of you may know, I have been a Citizen of Nova
Roma for many years; while I have not had the ability
to participate in NR to the extent that I wanted to,
due to my situation in the "mundane" world, I have
always felt that all Romani should be united in
purpose, if that purpose be the restoration of Rome
and Her ideals to a place in the real, macro-national
world.

To this end, I present below the unedited text of Q.
Caius Aurleius' Open Letter.

Vale bene,

Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus
Cives Roma

Note: forwarded message attached.

=====
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Open Letter from Imperium Romanorum
From:	Gnaeus Marius <gnmariusasia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:35:45 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

This goes to show that no matter how decorus you try
to be, Yahoo always gets ya in the end.....Let me try
this.

Gn Mari A
*********************************************************

Ave Amici Romani!

I would have liked to introduce ourselves under much
happier circumstances, instead I am forced to inform
you of a grievous injustice that has been committed
but which I am sure does not represent the views of
the majority of NR citizens. It is unfortunate & sad
that our two nations have to meet thanks to an
un-Roman misrepresentation of our nation, Imperium
Romanorum, which has been propagated on the Nova Roma
website
http://www.novaroma.org/etcetera/othergroups.html ,
and on the primary email discussion list of Nova Roma.
I would like to take this opportunity to clarify some
of these misunderstandings, with no other goal than
that our Romanitas is maintained in the eyes of true
Romans like we know most of you are; that is, men and
women truly concerned with the glory of Rome and a
return to the Roman way of life.

First, I would like to say a little about Imperium
Romanorum (IR). IR is a micronation, founded along
similar lines to your own micronation, but with
several fundamental differences. The citizens of
Imperium Romanorum, most of whom live in and around
the city of Rome, founded IR with the intention of
seeing IR grow to exist as a true nation, one whose
primary intention is the growth and development of
Romanitas among her citizens; Romanitas is here
defined as the understanding and practice of the Roman
virtues, religion, and culture. We are very new to the
web and the decision to build a site on the internet
was primarily because we thought it right to inform
other Romans around the world of our presence. IR’s
citizens consider our nation to be a true nation, we
make a great effort to conduct our government and
draft our laws in the manner with which our ancient
Roman ancestors did so, and then we follow those laws
as we do the laws of the various lands in which we
live.

Our efforts are concentrated on the serious issue of
solidifying our nation, learning what we can about the
ancient ways of life, and enacting our findings in our
daily life. Our senate functions regularly under the
presidency of our dictator, Romanus Augustus, and our
day to day functions are carried out by our consuls
and other magistrates. Recently though, he has
returned the reigns of power to the people (where he
feels that they belong) & Roma has once again reverted
to a Republic. Nevertheless the senate has unanimously
elected Augustus as dictator for a period of 6+6
months so that in this delicate transitional period
Rome has an experienced and trustworthy guiding hand
seeing her through to maturity.

We are currently developing our several Domus Deorum
(Houses of the Gods), ministerial bodies charged with
the various matters of governance. We are also in the
process of interviewing several practitioners of the
Cultus Deorum (our state religion) for the position of
Pontifex Maximus (chief priest). Besides that, we
conduct several academic courses for our citizens in
the Latin language, Roman government, and many other
issues of Classical study.

Our primary objective now is to be a beacon to all the
Romans around the world like yourself. We all need to
reunite and grow once again to our former glory. The
plans are many and we are still few, but we are Rome
in spirit, determination and efficiency and when we
all unite again we shall succede.

For the moment, I shall end this message here. I
invite your questions, comments, or concerns. Please
email me at this address imperiumromanorum@virgilio.it
, or visit our national website
(www.freewebs.com/imperiumromanorum). We work for a
greater understanding of the ways of our ancient
ancestors, we also work to properly worship our Gods,
and, above all, we work towards the greater glory of
Rome! We hope that this message has served to clear
up some of the negative press we seem to have received
within your micronation, and we look forward to
working with Romans like you as we endeavor to live
the Roman Way.

For the Gods, for the senate, and for Rome, vale!
QUINTVS CAIVS AVRELIVS
CONSVL

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Gn Marius Asia

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Open Letter from Imperium Romanorum
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:33:04 -0600

Salve Gnaee Mari

> To this end, I present below the unedited text of Q.
> Caius Aurleius' Open Letter.

Unfortunately, this list does not allow attachments. In order to
provide us with Q Caius' letter, you will need to copy it into another
message. I, for one, look forward to reading it.

Vale bene
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"

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